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Extra Innings Episode 9- Jake of Wax Pack Wisdom & Matt From Providence · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Welcome to extra Innings on the sports card clubhouse with the
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  hit list. I'm Jake and that is Matt from
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  Providence. This has been it's been hello.
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  It's been a while since our last.
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  Last. Last time we recorded one of
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  these was when we were at your house and that was in the can
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  because we get, we got bumped for the for.
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  The odd the. The Odd Couple you know, it's
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  funny we we're, we're in a we're in a group chat now with those
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  guys and you you called it the you named the group chat the odd
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  list which the. Odd list.
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  That's right. Yeah, it's great.
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  So, so, yeah, we haven't done this in a bit.
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  And so it's good to be back. It's good to be back on the old
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  clubhouse. It's about time.
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  Greg, Greg, Mike, Adam. They haven't.
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  They haven't gotten rid of us yet.
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  Not yet. Not yet.
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  So if you listen to the hit list this week, which we recorded
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  earlier today on Tuesday, there was a discussion that we had
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  about a, a situation at the Shriners, the fall Shriners show
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  or this party, the spring Shriners show a couple weeks ago
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  here in the Boston area where a, a customer who had bought a card
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  from Matt had sent the, IT was a 57 tops Ted Williams.
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  It was in rough shape. They had the individual had sent
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  the card. Listen, listen, listen.
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  Rough shape is an understatement.
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  OK, it was a beater beat. Beaters look at this card and
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  go, wow, that's a beater. It was a beater.
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  It was. Filler it was filler it.
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  Was filler. So this individual sent the card
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  off to PSA. The card came back.
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  They did not hold her it, it came back as altered.
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  Now we don't really know the details on this.
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  Did he forget to check the box to, to have it slabbed even if
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  it was altered? I don't know.
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  But this individual came, brought the card back to Matt
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  and basically asked for a refund for the card.
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  And Matt obliged and we had, and so we had a conversation about
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  that specific scenario. And we don't, we don't have to
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  rehash that necessarily, but this situation brought up a, a
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  controversial possibility of something that could happen in
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  your mind, Matt. So why don't you explain what
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  that is? Well, I think it could be a
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  problem for a lot of people, potentially dealers only if they
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  are honorable guys, right. So if you sell, if I sell a
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  rock, a higher end rock hard and it comes back trimmed, you know,
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  generally I'll take it back, you know, some kind of a refund or
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  trade value refund. It really depends on the
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  situation, I guess. So far it's happened once and I
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  gave the guy a full refund. He I offered him a full cash
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  refund and he said I'd just like start credit.
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  And I said that's fine, obviously.
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  And now this guy comes back. And so now the card that I had
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  the problem with the trim card was a 54 K line rookie card.
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  So I think it was a $500 card, no problem for refund.
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  This guy $100 or so Ted Williams card problem, because it's not
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  about the money, it's about what's right and wrong.
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  That's how I try to run my business.
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  And that card, it just wasn't gradable, you know, And did he
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  try to clean the card and they caught the cleaning?
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  Because it's just, I mean, it's creased up.
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  It's, it's a real, real beater. So like, did he press it?
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  Did he try to get the crease? Like I, I, I don't know, but it,
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  it just opens up an interesting problem for me because I might
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  sell a card raw guy might send it out, might pretend to send it
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  out for grading, wait six months, come back to me 3
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  months, whatever. Come back to me and say, hey,
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  Matt, this card's trimmed. And he may have actually just
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  had that card trimmed at home and waited to find a relatively
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  similar copy and then return me the trimmed copy.
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  That, you know, that potential problem for me, I don't know how
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  I can address it to put a time limit on returning a trimmed
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  card or something like that. I really don't know.
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  But it's nefarious business sometimes and there's nefarious
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  people out there. So yeah, it's just something
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  that popped in my head as we were talking about this.
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  And the other thing too with, with cleaning of cards, you
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  know, if you buy a, a, a car that needs, needs some cleaning
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  that you plan on cleaning and then sending it out for grading,
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  well, they're catching the cleaners now.
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  So you're going to say it's authentic altered send and then
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  bring it to me and say, hey, Matt, you sold me a car that was
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  altered, might not have been altered until you got your hands
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  on it, the situation. So I don't know.
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  I don't know how we're going to handle that going forward.
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  That's a problem. It's a real, real problem,
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  particularly if you really want to run your business the right
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  way, you're going to run into problems like that.
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  I don't know. So.
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  So it's on. It's on.
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  You hear other people's point of view on this.
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  Yeah, Yeah. So I think that we've always
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  talked here about buyer beware that you are you're buying, we
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  are buying artifacts that have changed hands most likely
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  they've changed hands a lot of times over the years.
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  Potentially, maybe something's been in a in a collection since
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  1957 and it hasn't hasn't Maybe it was sold to you and then from
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  from someone's collection and then it but odds.
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  Who? I could have been the second
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  owner? I could have been the second
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  owner. It's you could have played pitch
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  with it for five years and then put it away and it looked like
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  that. So we, but we see this all the
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  time, though I also feel like where somebody will have a card
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  in their collection in or in a collection for 60 plus years, 70
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  years and they send it to get graded and it comes back
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  authentic or it it doesn't get a number grade that.
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  Happens. Time and has nothing and this
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  and the and the and somebody says this was in my this was in
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  a a a shoe box in my grandfather's closet for 60
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  years you're telling me the card comes back authentic.
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  It hasn't been touched. That's just what happens.
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  It's the natural. It's could just be in the air or
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  it was or you said pressed. It could have been like, you
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  know, everything could have been compressed really close together
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  or it could have been in a screw down for all a screw.
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  Down a screw down. Absolutely.
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  We know that it could have been in a book.
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  It could have been in a book and pressed by accident.
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  What I'm saying is somebody could have started a book.
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  You throw it on top, a bunch of books on top of that book, or,
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  you know, 60 years later it's pressed.
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  So I just my, my take is, is that if somebody goes to the
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  trouble, if somebody buys a card from you and they go to the to
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  the trouble of measuring it and they say this is this is short.
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  Now, it could be one of two things.
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  Obviously. It could be that it was trimmed,
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  or it could just be that it was factory short.
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  It was minimum. Size.
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  Either could either way could happen and and they come to you
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  and they show you that and the and maybe their their
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  assumption. I think that if you buy a raw
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  card, you, you as a, a buyer can sort of reasonably assume that
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  you, that the card measures. OK.
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  Now that's not on the, I don't necessarily think, again, we're
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  talking about artifacts. I don't think that's your fault
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  as a seller if the card does come back that it's short like,
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  but but you so you as you have to decide as a dealer what's the
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  right thing to do. And I think in the scenario
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  you've talked about and other things just yeah, in that
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  situation, do whatever will make the buyer happy, OK?
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  Because it's again, it's not, there's no culpability on your
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  part necessarily that kind of thing.
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  But yes, this, this other scenario that came up recently
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  is, is a very different scenario where I think that it's, it is.
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  I don't think that there's, it's not, I think it's not your
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  problem necessarily. It's not your especially since
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  a, a third party grading company rendered an opinion about the
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  card and that opinion was that it was altered and we're not and
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  we're not going to slab it now the not slabbing it part again.
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  I think that might have been user error on the part of the,
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  on the individual who submitted the card to be graded.
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  But I, yeah, it's, I think that that is where it gets, it gets a
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  lot trickier. And I think you are, you have
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  less of an obligation as a seller in that situation to to
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  try like, you know, you're like you're trying to run a business.
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  You want to make customers happy.
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  There's a lot of other dealers out there that are like that
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  don't really care. They don't either they don't,
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  they don't care about having repeat customers or, or
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  continued business. They don't maybe you know,
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  they're not in it for that, but but I think for so for you, I
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  think I understood you were trying to make that customer
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  happy. But I, I think that that we have
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  it goes back to this whole thing.
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  We've ceded so much power to the grading companies and somebody
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  gets a card back that just says authentic or it comes back as
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  altered. And we just, we don't know what
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  that means. That could mean anything.
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  It could mean that it was trimmed.
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  It could mean that it was so beat up that it didn't like, you
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  know, I, we've, I've mentioned this before about my, the Joe
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  Medwick card from the 38 Gaudi heads up set that I have that
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  SGC refused to grade. And I, and I get why they
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  refused to, why they refused to hold her.
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  It, it came back, it was authentic, but they said do not
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  hold her. And I understand why because it
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  was the card was like ripped and it was like basically it was
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  like ripped on both sides and was kind of held together in the
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  middle a little bit. So I understand why.
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  I understand they don't want to destroy the card.
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  Like I, I think I kind of understand that dude, they don't
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  want to destroy it further than already it was destroyed.
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  So yeah, I'm curious if people on YouTube or in the comments
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  other places let us let us know what you think about about this
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  whole thing is that there's there's, I just think there's
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  there's too much ambiguity from the grading companies and
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  there's too much of A possibility of people doing
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  nefarious things with cards while they have it in their
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  possession. I got to tell you though, if
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  you're buying a, if you're buying a, a card like that, that
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  looks like it's, you know, fresh out of a pack and it's sharp as
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  a tack or you better assume that it's trimmed when you're buying
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  it. I mean, you really should, you
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  really should go into a pessimistic I, I'm sorry to say
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  that, but you really should, you really should know.
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  OK, I'm just getting a copy. It looks like a nice copy.
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  It's real, it's authentic, probably trimmed.
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  Just I, I really would go into it.
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  A 5060 card, big card like that, 500 dollars, $400.00 whatever it
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  is I would assume. It's trimmed, I agree 100%.
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  It's not a, it's not 100% trimmed.
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  They might not even be if I don't know what the number is.
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  Right. And it's like how?
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  Many people aren't going to give you money back.
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  Most people are not going to give you money back.
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  You know, let me actually, this is funny.
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  I'm going to I'm going to get up for a second just to to grab
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  something. And for the YouTube audience,
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  they're not going to see anything.
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  But for the people listening, it's not going to matter.
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  I got to find this. Where is it?
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  It's right here. Like this is this is the thing
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  as Matt shows a card this I've never actually used this, but
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  this is I bought this a while ago.
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  This is like the. It's like the measuring chart.
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  Where did you get that Amazon? I must have bought on Amazon a
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  couple years ago. Like I said, I've never actually
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  used it. But like this is the thing that
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  like, well, First off, it like tells you the percentages like
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  like, you know, the the centering percentages like for
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  centering. And then this is like the thing
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  that it's like a transparent thing.
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  So you can't really see it, but it's just it will it will tell
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  you if it, you know, measures correctly or not.
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  Actually, that one was centimeters.
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  This is this one is inches. So this is you can.
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  So is this the type of thing that people should walk around
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  with? I I'm.
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  Going to order one tonight and put it in the my supply bin.
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  Yeah, your supply bin. Well, yeah, you, you.
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  Got I love that bin by the way. I got all kinds of tools and
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  stuff in there. Got everything in there.
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  It's like it's. Army night, all kinds of bags
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  and stickers and sleeves and. I personally like, so there was
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  a lot of at Strongsville. There was a ton of of high end
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  raw stuff and I don't know, man, like I feel like so there's
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  certain dealers like I Bill Chappell, who is a a phenomenal
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  vintage dealer and always has really interesting stuff.
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  He always has a lot of raw stuff.
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  He had a whole stack of raw E250 threes like the Oxford
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  confectionery 1950 ones. I love that set And I thought he
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  had the he had the price stuff fairly, the the stuff priced
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  fairly. I thought I just have a hard
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  time. I feel like there's a limit for
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  how much I would spend on a raw card.
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  Like I don't know. I don't know that I'd spend more
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  than more than a few 100 bucks. I just.
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  I'm afraid. Well, because of what you what
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  you're talking. Well, not and again, I'm I'm not
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  doubting. You if it's from a.
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  If it's from a legit dealer, what's the big deal?
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  I just, I don't know, I have a thing about it.
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  I don't know because again, because so much of the value is
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  based off of what what a card would would grade and.
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  Yeah, but you're assuming it's trimmed.
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  Yeah, exactly. So yeah, you so.
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  Like I'll buy I will buy a 51 Bowman mantle raw but I'm paying
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  authentic altered prices. Yeah, right.
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  Right. I'll give you, I can say I
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  should be able to smell if it's fake or not quite literally.
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  And then and then that's it. I assume it's a one or an or an
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  A because I dress no one in this industry.
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  There was a guy who's a, a pretty who I've, I've never
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  bought from him. I've had conversations with him.
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  He's like a pretty reputable seller on Facebook.
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  I think he has a, he has an eBay store too.
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  He's been, I think it was on consignment.
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  So I don't know how much he would move on prices.
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  But on Facebook this guy was has been selling a bunch of raw pre
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  war stuff and he had a raw T2O7 speaker and a raw T2O7 Joe Wood
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  and he wanted I think 15. 100 for the speaker and 1000 for the
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  wood I. Know So you saw this guy.
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  Yeah, you wouldn't take 22 from me.
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  Oh, you, you. So you already know about this
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  guy? Yeah.
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  Come on, 'cause I like it. He said it was.
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  He said it was on consignment, So maybe he didn't.
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  He couldn't have. Maybe he couldn't move as much.
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  But yeah, you. So you did see that.
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  Yeah, I know that guy. Is he?
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  Isn't no so the the oh buddy on Instagram T2O6 kid Fenway.
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  He changed his name, the. Fenway fines.
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  He changed the Fenway fines. He he's the one that put me on
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  it. And yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So you. So you had that I, I should have
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  known that you knew about that you because I saw that and I was
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  going to, I was going to tell you too, but I was just like,
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  you might not even be in, but but so you so you wouldn't have
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  a, you wouldn't have qualms about spending that much on raw
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  stuff like that, even even just buying, even buying it on on
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  like through Facebook. Well, it's an irreparable
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  seller, so if there's a if it comes back not real, he's going
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  to have a problem. So.
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  Yeah, 'cause that guy is, he has a, he has, he has an eBay store.
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  That I'm sure it's legit from. My end.
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  Stuff so guys aren't going to ruin their reputation of a
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  $2500. Yeah.
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  But I but yeah, there was, there was a lot of high end raw stuff
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  in the room at Strongsville and I just knew.
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  No, Yeah, yeah, pay, pay. 5060 Raw, and it's in the same
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  showcase it was for the last 10 years.
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  You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about.
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  All right, all right. Well, we got 15 minutes out of
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  this. I can't believe we got 15
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  minutes out of that. Hey, I we're professionals.
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  I told you this. You are.
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  All right. I'm just.
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  Telling you your coattails, buddy.
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  Wow. How about that?
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  It's nice to hear. After after 10:00 PM, the
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  compliments come out. That's it.
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  All right, that's it. What do you say, Matt?
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