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victoria's (sapphic) secret · gasp! the pod

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They're two girly pops, they can't possibly be attracted to
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each other. Welcome back, my dear Gaspers to
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Gasp, the pod, the podcast for the gays, the girls, and
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especially the gay girls. Per usual, we're talking about
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some gay girls, and today we're going to be talking about
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Victorious Sapphic Little Secret, AKA the theory that
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Victoria's Secret, the lingerie company, is extremely lesbian
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and I feel like no ones talking about it.
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Victoria has a little secret, you guys.
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She's a Sapphic. For five decades, Victoria's
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Secret has set the standard for beauty and sexuality in popular
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culture, and that standard is obviously mostly white, skinny
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and straight. The brand has held the role of
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the arbiters of sexuality, or rather the fantasy of female
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sexuality, showing girls and women what they should look like
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to be deemed sexy by the male gaze.
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Victoria's Secret, although a women's lingerie brand,
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ultimately reflects our patriarchal and heterosexual
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society's ideas of what desirability looks like.
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Can you tell that I majored in gender studies?
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Because it's giving thesis, right?
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At first look, Victoria's Secret seems like a company for
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straights by straights. But with a closer look, with
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this sapphic look, we can see the Secret held so dearly by
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Victoria herself. She's a sapphic.
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This episode we're unearthing that secret and diving into the
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camouflaged lesbian subtext of the brand of Victoria's Secret,
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the hyper femme angels and the VS cruising culture that is
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hidden in plain sight. So Victoria's Secret is actually
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named after Queen Victoria, apparently to evoke the
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refinement and respectability of the Victorian era.
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And I guess, like, the reason why Secret is put in this name
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is to like, allude to the hidden like sexuality and lingerie
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behind Victoria. But I also feel like it's super
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ironic the fact that it's called Victoria's Secret.
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And you know, this brand is this like straight brand all about
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like what men like find sexy. Meanwhile, it's filled with so
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much lesbianism. Let's talk about that.
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It's just super fucking ironic that the name of the brand is
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called Victoria's Secret. It's actually hilarious.
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So this episode I'm going to be talking about like 3 major
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categories. First, the Victoria's Secret
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fantasy and how it's actually like hyper femme queer culture.
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Then I'll be talking about specifically sapphic Victoria's
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Secret Angels and like rumored relationships between the angels
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because it's actually crazy. It this is pretty much like the
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modern sewing circle. And then I will talk about the
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Victoria's Secret Fashion show and that whole spectacle and how
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like it's pretty much like lesbian cruising that we all
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witness on TV, but like no one notices it because like of this
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context that we're supposed to think it's about men.
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Meanwhile, these girls look gay for each other and are gay for
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each other. Just like, housekeeping wise,
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this episode is not going to dig into like, homophobia, racism,
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sexism, fat phobia of the Victoria's Secret brand.
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Like, there are so many controversies for the Victoria's
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Secret brand. And like, the conversation of
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Victoria's Secret is, you know, expansive.
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And we can have a lot of conversations.
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But I didn't want to distract from, like, the main juice of
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the episode. And also, I'm going to be
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talking about, like, the hidden queerness of the brand.
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But I'm not like, trying to argue that Victoria's Secret is
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actually, like, super good for queer people.
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That's not my theory. If you go what I mean, I think
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you what I mean anyways, before we continue on my Patreon and I
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think at this point when I release this, it should also be
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on my Spotify as well. I have a bonus episode digging
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into the Easter eggs of the fate of Ophelia music video.
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I haven't actually made a video before this about the fate of
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Ophelia music video and really getting into like the theories
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about that video. So there's that for you if you
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want bonus content and also I'm going to be going live for the
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Taylor Swift like docu series. I think at least for the first
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episode, because I'm extremely excited and it comes out the
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night before her birthday. And so that's why I'm like
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something might be happening. Additionally, you've heard me
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say before, you'll hear me say it again.
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Go subscribe to my YouTube if you're listening on audio and
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rate me 5 stars guys. You know, like come on.
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OK, that's it, let's get into it.
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So the Victoria's Secret fantasy that we hear everyone talking
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about, the brand is like curating this fantasy and
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perfection of the woman form format, which is super ironic
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because the company mostly makes lingerie for women, not for men.
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The idea is almost in a weird backwards way to attract men to
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want to see their wives like that in order to buy presents
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for their wives. Even though the company again is
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mostly women's lingerie. I think that they did have at
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one point a collection for men and then like it went out of
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business or something. But like, it's not for men.
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So that's why it's so funny that they care about creating a
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fantasy for men because if anything, they should create a
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fantasy for women. Like they should want women to
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feel good about themselves. And when you feel good about
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yourself, you want to buy lingerie.
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So that's why the whole like idea of it is kind of like
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interesting, because it's not actually marketing anything
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really towards what women want. And again, there's a shift,
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there's been a shift the last few years in like terms of
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diversity and like body diversity, et cetera.
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But the general vibe of of Victoria's Secret is making
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women want to look good and be sexually attractive for men.
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When you watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion show, the idea is
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for you to say I want to look like her so that a man can think
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I'm as attractive as she is. That's the idea, right?
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Brand is a sexual fantasy, a straight fantasy and how men
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view women sexually. The aesthetic is like pink,
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sexual, flirty, seductive. That's kind of like the
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aesthetic of Victoria's Secret. It's not really supposed to make
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women feel super empowered And again, there's kind of been a
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shift, but like it's to look hot.
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It's not to feel like empowered. You know what I mean?
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People could argue that it is to feel empowered, but that's not
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really how they they branded Victoria's Secret, right?
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It's pillow fights, doing each other's makeup, etcetera.
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Like what men think girls sleepovers are like is what the
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Victoria's Secret runways are like, what the photo shoots are
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like, what the visuals are like, etcetera, right?
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And that's the fantasy. All of these beautiful, hot,
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skinny white women being perfect for men, but it doesn't actually
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really exist for men. What's ironic and funny about
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this is like, this is kind of what actual lesbian sleepover is
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like in Victoria's Secret ads. Like you can scroll through like
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decades of different ads, videos, like, you know,
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billboards, photo shoots, etcetera.
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And what's funny about it, because the whole idea of
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Victoria's Secret is like being attractive in terms of the male
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gaze, is that there's mostly just women there.
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There's not like a man around usually.
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It's usually a bunch of these models together touching each
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other, pressing each other, like looking at each other
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seductively. And this is supposed to be for
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men, which makes it so fucking queer.
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Like without the cultural context of knowing that
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Victoria's Secret is like supposed to be straight, right?
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Like it's like the epitome of straight sexuality and like what
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men find attractive in women, right?
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Or that's the idea without the cultural awareness of that and
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the context of like knowing that if you were like an alien that
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was sent down to earth and you saw these girls touching each
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other and like, or maybe like even ChatGPT and ChatGPT was
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told about lesbians. If you saw these ads, you would
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think this is a lesbian cult or this is a group of lesbian
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models because there's no men insight and they're just doing
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pillow fights and doing each other's makeup in these photo
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shoots. It's like Barbie's Dream House,
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but lesbian Victoria's Secret. And that's why it's so funny.
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Like inherently, Victoria's Secret is so sapphic and queer
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because there's rarely any men. It's like the experience of
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being a queer girl in high school where you're making out
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with your friends or college, you're making out with your
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girlfriends. And the idea is to like, you
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know, get men to think you're attractive, but actually you're
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just enjoying it. And you get to hide and be able
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to make out with girls without the homophobia that comes with
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that. Because men happen to be turned
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on by that. That's the irony of queerness in
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popular media, especially when it comes with femmes.
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Because you can hide in plain sight.
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Because men don't care about being homophobic if they are
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turned on, which is so dark. It's also like lesbian porn as
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well. And how like what is catered
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towards men in terms of like, being attractive for them is
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also inherently gay. And just because men are turned
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on by it doesn't mean it's not gay.
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And that's really the crucial thing here.
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Queer women also experience, like, lingerie brands,
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specifically Victoria's Secret, differently than straight girls.
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Like, you don't just want to feel hot, but also you have,
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like, a unique relationship with, like, stepping into
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Victoria's Secret store. Like, we hear this all the time
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about growing up. Queer girls have this experience
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where you're like, walking in the mall and you're trying not
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to make eye contact with the posters because it feels like
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you're going to get, like, caught by like, almost feeling
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like attracted. And that's what's so interesting
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about the Victoria's Secret experience for queer girls.
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It's a very different experience.
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It's not just about yourself. It's also feeling attracted to
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the idea of female sexuality that's branded for men, yet it
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traps up so many queer girls. And like, just because it's
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supposed to be straight doesn't mean it inherently is hot women
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together in lingerie will always be queer.
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Even if the idea and the marketability is for men, that
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doesn't strip away the fact that that's gay as hell.
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When women in bras are like touching each other in a photo
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shoot, like, I don't care, you know, it's gay.
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And the other thing is like, what does queer look like?
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I feel like that's another reason why we don't brand femmes
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or you know, feminine girly pop pink women that are scantily
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clad as queer. We see that for men, but what
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does queer look like? Queer doesn't actually have a
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look. However, there are subcultures
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within the LGBTQ community that is very represented in
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Victoria's Secret. For example, hyper femininity
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hype. Being hyper femme or being a
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femme in general. This is the definition of hyper
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femme. An exaggerated or intense
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expression of femininity, going beyond and conventional
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stereotypes to create a deliberately constructed and
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often stylized identity. This can include a strong focus
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on details and makeup, mannerisms, clothing often worn
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as an act of self-expression and defiance against the male gaze
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as seen in online communities and queer culture.
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And don't own femininity. We need to stop like giving them
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credit. Kind of like the American flag
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doesn't mean Trump right? Like America is inherently
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diversity. Like we can't let them own these
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things for us. Hyper fem pink, flirty vibes,
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right is not not necessarily straight.
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It's actually you could argue more queer because that's been a
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specific way of representation within the queer community.
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And I see this a lot of like, you know, femme, like lesbians
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are femme queer girls like talk about this online where like
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being with a girl and being gay sometimes feels like the most
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feminine thing you can do. I feel most girly pop like with
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my girlfriend. And that's why it's ironic when
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there's kind of an erasure of, like, them queers, at least in
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like, picking up who could be gay and who could not be gay
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because that feels so gay. Like, if femininity equals
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womanhood and two women are together, that is like hypermax
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womanhood, in my opinion. Like doing your girlfriend's
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makeup, like getting ready together, like slumber parties.
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The Victoria's Secret fantasy is a lesbian relationship.
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And again, it's just so funny that like in all these photo
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shoots, you know, besides sometimes when there's like male
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singers, the Victoria's Secret Fashion show, like all of this
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is for women at the end of the day.
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OK, let's talk about specific Victoria's Secret Fashion models
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that are gay or rumored to be queer in some way because it's
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actually a never ending list. And of course, a lot of these
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people, you know, might come out later, like there's people that
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are not even on this list that I was like in terms of time.
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I can't talk about it all. But if you guys want me to like
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do a deep dive into any of these, like, you know,
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relationships that occurred and you know what is alleged, let me
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know because there's kind of a lot here pretty much Victoria's
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Secret. Besides the fact that it's like
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gay because it's like hot women touching each other in bras and
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underwear on posters. Besides that fact and you know,
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the subculture of it and hyper femininity and all of that,
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there are so many VS angels and models that are actually out as
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queer that have all dated each other.
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And if you think about it, it kind of makes sense.
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And it's the perfect way if you were trying to not be explicitly
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out to hide that queerness because no one expects these
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Victoria's Secret angels to be gay because they're so fun,
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which is so ironic because they're around naked women all
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the time. It's like the perfect breeding
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ground. It's like a sorority.
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It's the homo social behavior of a sorority, yet more naked.
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And we're like, wait, they're gay.
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It's like, yes, guys. So started off, we're going to
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start with Carly Kloss. Carly Kloss obviously, as you
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guys know, has had a rumored off and on relationship with Taylor
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Swift and there have been other muses that she's been linked to
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as well that are women. You know, a lot of people think
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that she's in a bearded relationship with her husband
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and there's just so I mean, I can't get into all of the Kaylor
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stuff right now, but like Karlie Kloss is definitely part of
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this, right? Also for contacts, when I
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mention like the sewing circle, that is like an informal group
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that happened in Old Hollywood of these actresses that like
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kind of slept all together. So pretty much this whole group
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is like Taylor Swift's squad from like 2013 to like 2017,
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right? All of her friends that were
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like all gay and all Victoria's Secret models.
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It's hilarious. So Cara Delevingne, Cara
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Delevingne is known as like that girl that like if another
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celebrity is spotted with her alone or at dinner, it's their
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unofficial coming out because Cara Delevingne has gotten
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around and it's not even funny. Cara Delevingne is out as queer.
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She has been linked to, and I say linked to because it's not
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like confirmed that they dated, but like they kind of did
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though, like they pretty much did.
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And what is confirmed even mean in pop culture?
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She's been linked to Paris, Jackson, Miley Cyrus, Rita Ora,
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Ashley Benson has been confirmed like they were in a long term
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relationship. She was also in a relationship
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with Saint Vincent. Cara Delevingne was also linked
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to Selena Gomez. There's a theory that they dated
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and also linked to Taylor Swift. There's a rumor that they, like,
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you know, had maybe a friendship benefits situation.
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And listen, if you're hanging with Cara Delevingne all the
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time and you're Taylor Swift and you're single and bisexual, it's
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not the craziest thing. Stella Maxwell.
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Stella Maxwell is one of my favorite BS models that I feel
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like no one talks about because she love her.
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She's so hot and she's just so unapologetically gay.
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She was never really ever in the closet.
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She just like started talking about the girls she dated in
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LGBTQ activism and never said like oh this is my exact
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identity. At least I didn't see that in my
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research. But she is openly LGBTQ and I
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think that's so important to remember when we talked about
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queerness and pop culture is that like way more people openly
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LGBTQ without saying their exact identity.
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When Stella Maxwell just started dating women, she's LGBTQ.
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That's her coming out. Like you in order to come out,
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you don't have to state like why and when you found out and like
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what your identity is, etcetera. I think she's a very good
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example of like a femme that just started dating girls,
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openly dating girls, and then was like, yeah, duh, I'm queer.
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Just like she's not talked about enough.
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But she's been linked to many, many VS Angels and other women
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in general. She's just like such an icon.
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She had a relationship with Kristen Stewart.
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Fucking iconic. She had a relationship with
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Miley Cyrus, which was extremely iconic.
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I'm going to put up this picture that, like, I think about all
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the time of them, like, next to Miley Cyrus's tour bus, like
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making out in a pop shot. She also has been linked to
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Barbara Pelvin, who was a model and now is a Victoria's Secret
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Angel. I'm pretty sure they've been
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linked to each other. So yeah, Like, guys, when you're
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hanging around all these hot lesbians having sleepovers with
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and, like, going out and on the job and like getting close with
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and working with all of these hot queer women, you're probably
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going to at least experiment. And that's what I really don't
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like about how we talk about queerness.
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We act like it's this binary that like you are straight and
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you have not ever been with a a person of the same sex or you
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are like gay and if you have not come out, that means you are in
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the closet. And if you are out, that means
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you are out and proud. It's like so many people are
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like, are in general queer and aren't making special little
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statements to you, the fans that are operatingly not like as
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closeted people, but just acting as they would in real life.
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And that's kind of what Victoria's Secret is like.
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It's not necessarily like intentionally hidden, but it's
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so easily hidden by the context of Victoria's Secret and the
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fact that it's like for the male gaze that no one thinks about
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these hot femmes touching each other because they don't view it
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as serious. And that maybe is a whole other
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conversation about like how historically lesbian sex has not
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been criminalized in the same way that like gay men sex has
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been criminalized before throughout history.
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And it's because it's not viewed as legit or like threatening to
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men because there is no penis involved.
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And that's like a whole other conversation.
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But I think that that's the reason why men aren't threatened
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by the idea of like, oh, their girlfriends having hooking up
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with a girl on the side. Or that's why when they see the
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Victoria's Secret models, like, you know, playing with each
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other's hair, they're like, oh, that's for us.
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That's not them just inherently liking each other because they
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don't see it as literally legit. They don't think that that's a
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thing. They think it's like, for fun.
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Like, it's actually fucked up. Anyways, Stella Maxwell has also
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been linked to Lily Rose Depp before she started dating
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Timothy Chalamet. And she's also been linked and
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rumoured to be with Taylor Hill, who's also Victoria's Secret
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model. So at this point, you guys,
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Taylor Hill, Barbara, Stella, Kara Harley, like we're already
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at 5 Victoria's Secret angels that like have been publicly
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probably, you know, dating women and these are the most famous
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ones and I'm not even done. That's crazy.
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And I just feel like no one talks about it and the fact that
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the common denominator is Victoria's Secret.
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OK, finally with Ella Maxwell, she was also linked to Bella
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Hadid. Now there are leaked pictures
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like they're not fully nude of this like home photo shoot of
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them, like making out that I'm obviously not going to post
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here. But like those were released
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that like it's very clear they were together.
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And like this is not like a constructed photo shoot for a
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brand. It's like, you know, for their
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own fun. They also there were reports of
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them making out in public, like at a party in between Bella
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Hadid's like getting back together with the weekend.
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But Bella Hadid has also been rumored to be queer.
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Every family has one. Gigi Hadid has also been rumored
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to be queer. I think at the end of the day, a
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lot of these bitches are gay. And just because they haven't
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like told you their sexuality doesn't mean it's not happening
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and doesn't mean that they're closeted, right?
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Stella's gotten a lot of bitches.
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Love that for her. Then we move on to Lily
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Donaldson. Lily Donaldson is someone that
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has been rumored to have dated Taylor Swift and you know, is
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also rumored to be dating Taylor Swift right now.
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I need to get into the the Tilly lore.
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Like I haven't made an episode about it.
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I'm not as hip to it, but I am absolutely going to make an
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episode about it because I think it could make sense if like
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Taylor has been using Carly as like a fake muse.
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Meanwhile she has her actual wife over here and it's Lily
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Donaldson, Lily Donaldson, Victoria's Secret Angel, rumored
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relationship with Taylor Swift. There's a lot there and we will
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dig into the lore together on this podcast at some point.
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Then we have Kendall Jenner, who at this point, it's so publicly
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rumoured to be queer, like it's not even funny.
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She was linked to her good friend Lauren Perez, also linked
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to Haley Bieber. You know, Haley and Kendall and
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Justin. That may be a love triangle.
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And like, it absolutely is a love triangle.
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Kendall has also been linked to Bella Hadid.
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Like, they had pictures kissing on the mouth.
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So these are like all of Victoria's Secret models, guys.
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A lot of them have publicly dated women in like long term
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relationships. And I feel like no one talks
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about it. And then the others have been
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linked to the girls that have had public long term
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relationships with other women or like, have pictures kissing
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on the mouth. And everyone's like, oh,
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Victoria's Secret, you know, it's all for men.
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These are straight girls. And I feel like I'm going crazy.
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They're fem, doesn't mean they're not gay.
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Sometimes it means you're more likely to be gay.
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Guys. That was so crazy because I
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literally just got a notification my camera turned
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off and it was like storage full and then I had to turn the
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camera off, turn the audio off, restart everything, go delete
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files, come back here crazy. Anyway, what I was saying begs
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the question, why are there so many sapphics in the Victoria's
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Secret franchise? Why are there so many in this
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industry that like promotes heterosexuality?
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You know, it's not like they have overt on purpose gay
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themes, right? The idea is very much like men
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go buy these things for your wives.
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Some of the argument is just like that there's a lot of gay
23:42
people in general. And I feel like people don't
23:43
know that. But because all the stats are
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like 10% of the population bitch I hate stats because I feel like
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it's never fucking accurate. I haven't been polled on my
23:54
sexuality have you? So like where are these coming
23:57
from? Also these are people that are
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publicly out me will state their sexuality C not afraid of
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homophobia. The amount of people that are
24:05
out that just like haven't actually said that to a person
24:08
asking them if they're gay, you know what I mean?
24:11
Anyways, the point is that there's two parts of Victoria's
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Secret, right? It's the marketing versus the
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actual industry. Victoria's Secret, it's a brand.
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It's almost like the making of a movie.
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It is a fantasy. And I think that's something we
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talk about a lot in this podcast is like pop culture and the
24:28
reality of it and not what they want us to know about it.
24:32
Because I love pop culture. I think it's really interesting.
24:34
And messaging doesn't always mean evil.
24:37
A lot of people want the fantasy, like Disney creates a
24:40
fantasy of a movie movie, right? It doesn't mean that, I mean,
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there's a lot of Fair complaints about Disney, but it doesn't
24:47
mean that creating something like in order to market
24:51
something in some way is evil. But I think it's interesting to
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point out and talk about the realities of pop culture and
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what the industry is actually like beyond what they promote
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for people to publicly consume. A lot of people just don't want
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to hear that. A lot of people just want to buy
25:07
into the street fantasy or whatever, something or a company
25:11
or film or a celebrity tells us what they're supposed to be
25:15
like. And if you don't want to
25:17
actually dig deeper into things, that's fine, but it doesn't mean
25:20
that there is nothing to peel back.
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The whole point of entertainment is to entertain us and to give
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us a very specific vision. That doesn't mean that those
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people are actually like the vision that they're creating and
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are scripted and they're playing a role of like a straight girl,
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right? Doesn't mean they are 1.
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The promotion is for the public, which is a much more straight
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and conservative vibe than the actual fashion industry, which
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is like taking place in New York, Milan, Los Angeles, you
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know, like they're creating products for women across around
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the world and across the country that are not all New York City
25:59
living women. You know, they're women that
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might have husbands that are a conservative and stay at home.
26:04
They're not going to reveal how lesbian the nature of this
26:09
company is, right? And also there's a lot to be
26:11
said for the fashion industry, like kind of being run by gay
26:14
men and it's men in general. Like there should be a lot more
26:16
women, like running shit and a lot more lesbian women too.
26:20
But these industries are taking place in big liberal cities that
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are making entertainment and products and brands for the rest
26:30
of the country. And that's where I think people
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forget that like marketing is so huge here.
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So Victoria's Secret, like I said before, is a homosocial and
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a homosexual sapphic environment.
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It is like a sorority where everyone is scantily clad and
26:48
doing photo shoots together. They're spending a lot of time
26:51
with other women that are all in lingerie doing these shoots that
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are like, touching each other and like caressing each other.
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That is a homosocial sexual environment that is bound to
27:05
create homosexuality. It's kind of like how locker
27:08
room culture is also kind of gay culture and that there's
27:12
actually a lot of gay guys in sports and you can kind of like,
27:15
get away with it because you're kind of like hitting each other
27:17
in the locker room. I mean, I don't know what guys
27:19
do, but like, homosocial environments that are like very
27:23
almost supposed to be straight are perfect breeding ground.
27:27
And I say breeding ground like it's a bad thing.
27:29
It's a great thing of gayness. It creates a gay culture because
27:35
you are not it's not out of the ordinary to touch someone or be
27:40
around someone nudely. And you can kind of experiment
27:44
safely without anyone thinking, Oh my God, that's gay of you.
27:48
Why would you do that? Because you're a Victoria Zeker
27:50
model. You're supposed to be like
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caressing the other girls and bras and underwear.
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And also might make you realize something about yourself.
27:58
Like it just makes sense that this is the most saphic
28:01
environment and why there are so many saphics actively hooking up
28:06
and dating within fashion, but specifically with Victoria's
28:10
Secret. And you know, the hyper femme
28:12
aesthetic of Victoria's Secret is created for the male gaze.
28:18
That aesthetic inherently involves saphic sexuality.
28:23
So not only is like the saphicness hidden by the fact
28:26
that it's supposed to be for the male gaze, but what men actually
28:30
want is ironically already queer women.
28:35
Those queer women probably don't want them, but the branding of
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what men want is multiple women with each other in a sapphic
28:44
way, which is fucked up. But men interpret lesbianism as
28:48
something for them, almost for their entertainment, for their
28:51
amusement. These visuals that are catered
28:54
towards men, ironically, are also catered towards lesbians
28:58
because at the base of it, it is women being sexual with each
29:02
other. And when I say like sexual with
29:04
each other, I don't mean that they're obviously like, making
29:06
out in these campaigns, but they're being close with each
29:09
other. Like, I mean, I've had pictures
29:11
throughout this episode. If you're watching on YouTube,
29:13
that's gay. Guys, that is gay.
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So vert sapphic sexual themes are hidden by the male gaze,
29:19
which views female sexuality as something less real and more for
29:24
the purpose of turning on men. So it really is like this
29:27
strange irony going on that makes it profitable with men,
29:31
but also like is in turn, at its core gay.
29:35
OK, before we end the episode, I also just really wanted to talk
29:38
about the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
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It's been so big for pop culture.
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And they went away because of all this controversy, and they
29:44
came back and tried to improve and diversity.
29:46
And for the 2025 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, they
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definitely did improve for diversity.
29:52
But the basis of the idea of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show
29:55
was still the same thing, right? It's almost like entertainment
29:58
for like the world. Men get to see hot women, women
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get to be like, I want to look like that.
30:04
I want to look like that. That's the idea of Victoria's
30:06
Secret Fashion Show. And then we have these amazing
30:08
performers. But what we see on stage, and
30:11
I'm going to disregard the male performers that have been on
30:13
stage because usually they like, you know, are gross and like,
30:17
look at the women's butts. And it's like disgusting.
30:19
And like, obviously that's kind of like the intention of
30:22
Victoria's Secret. But what ends up happening is
30:24
when we have these female performers on stage, we get the
30:27
same sapphic Ness of the model together.
30:30
When we have the photo shoots, right, we see women in heels and
30:36
lingerie walking down a runway, holding eye contact and reaching
30:40
out for these female performers. And when we have this culture
30:45
where you know, these women are supposed to be desirable walking
30:48
the runway, but then you put a woman musician, they're not like
30:53
having fun, just like girly pops.
30:56
It's giving gay cruising. It's giving that like they're
30:59
make doing a show for the girl performer.
31:02
And unintentionally, we see very lesbian moments of these female
31:07
musicians and flirting with the lingerie clad models walking
31:14
down the runway, almost like they're putting on a show for
31:16
them. It's like these women musicians
31:19
are playing the role of these men in the context of Victoria's
31:24
Secret and how they're supposed to be desiring these girls
31:27
walking down the runway for them.
31:28
It's an amazing situation to watch.
31:31
And the few that stand out to me, and I'll end with the most
31:36
important one, obviously, are first up Lady Gaga when she
31:40
performed for the VS Fashion show.
31:41
You know, Lady Gaga is openly queer, obviously, and makes
31:44
music for queer people. Like she's eyeing up and down
31:48
the girls in kind of her alter ego way.
31:51
She has another outfit change where she's wearing like more of
31:54
like a black, kind of like more masculine outfit.
31:58
And then there's another time where she's like wearing a
32:00
dress, eyeing up and down the girls and like giving them
32:03
double takes and giving them look up and downs.
32:05
And I'm like, this is so important to see this like on
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like, I don't know where this was national television, right,
32:12
of this gay performance of what is usually supposed to be a man
32:16
looking up and down, women clad in lingerie.
32:19
And again, let's remember these models walking down are all
32:23
probably gay. So it's really fun to see.
32:26
But then again, it's disguised as being for the male gays.
32:30
And so that's not gay, you know, because this is Victoria's
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Secret, duh. They're femme.
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You know, we also see Ariana Grande the VS fashion show in
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2014. And, you know, maybe I need to
32:40
do an Ariana Grande episode because there's been a lot of
32:43
query rumours with her. She's saying that song like I
32:46
like women and men. She's saying this with Victoria
32:49
Monet. It's called Monopoly.
32:50
But like, she sings I like women and men.
32:53
So I just think that's like pretty clear, like clearer than
32:57
anything Taylor Swift has done. But of course people will still
33:00
say she's just singing a song. And it's like, why?
33:02
Why can't Ariana Grande be gay? Because she looks femme?
33:06
Because that's usually like, the reasoning when it comes down to
33:08
it. But she performed at the VS
33:10
fashion show and we see her like, shimmying and like,
33:13
looking up the girls too. And it's not in the most like,
33:16
male way, in the way that Lady Gaga was almost like mimicking
33:19
the way a man would do it. But that doesn't mean it's not
33:22
gay. And how women are attracted to
33:24
each other is inherently girly. Poppy, like, attraction between
33:29
women doesn't have to replicate attraction between men and men
33:33
and women. And so that's what's really
33:35
interesting about Victoria's Secret, too, because we assume
33:38
that, like, sexuality and the way we think about it with
33:42
heterosexual attraction is very much like there's a power
33:45
dynamic. Like the man is the one chasing
33:48
and being like, you know, eyeing the girl up and down and she's
33:52
like the deer prancing around being hot, right?
33:55
That doesn't have to be how it is between two women.
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And I think that disguises a lot of like, sapphic Ness for a lot,
34:04
a lot of things in pop culture, but specifically with Victoria's
34:07
Secret, because we think if they're two girly pops, they
34:10
can't possibly be attracted to each other.
34:12
But I feel like Ariana Grande's performance is kind of a good
34:14
example of this is like, what is a woman being attracted to
34:17
another woman? It can look like these are just
34:20
two girly pops, like shimmying each other, but they're like
34:22
dancing for each other. That's gay.
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OK, Finally we have the most iconic Victoria's Secret Fashion
34:29
show performance of all time. And I mean, there were two
34:32
performances, right? Or two years, Karlie Kloss and
34:35
Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift specifically how
34:37
she interacted with Karlie Kloss, the VS fashion shows of
34:40
2013 and 2014. And I was watching the 2014 one
34:45
when I was like setting up for this episode.
34:47
But they're one of the parts is literally called dream girls.
34:51
And then she performs and it just makes me think of an
34:54
argumentative antithetical dream girl.
34:57
And of course her and Carly Kloss have meaningful glances
35:02
and stairs and are holding hands.
35:04
I mean, in 2014, Taylor actually walks holding hands with Carly
35:08
Kloss down the runway. And watching other performances,
35:12
you can realize that this is not common, that the performer is
35:15
holding hands with one person, one Angel.
35:19
Walking down the Vias runway. You can just see that there's
35:22
something between Taylor and Carly and they're like kind of
35:25
smirking about it, but also kind of nervous about it. 2013, you
35:29
can see a little bit more nervousness, and 2014, you can
35:32
see a lot more confidence and like, Oh my God, we're hiding
35:35
something. It's just so clear.
35:37
And it's just like the pinnacle of like what Victoria's Secret
35:40
saphicness is, is that these two girls, like, are gay for each
35:44
other. And no one knows because of the
35:47
assumption that they're both straight because they're femme
35:51
and walking the VS runway that is for men.
35:54
And yet in the most ironic place to fall in love with another
35:57
girl, they do. And it's just kind of beautiful.
36:00
And they probably did allegedly fell in love.
36:02
I don't know. Taylor is like literally
36:05
touching, holding hands with, and gesturing towards half naked
36:08
women the entire time. Like come on, multiple all of
36:13
these models she is rumored to be dating or hooked up with
36:16
right at the 2014 behind the scenes fashion show, Taylor says
36:22
about like being behind the scenes and all these girls
36:25
coming to her trailer. She says quote and they're all
36:29
wearing these robes, by the way. It's like an actual fantasy for
36:32
who bitch you like it's she was caught in 4K.
36:37
She also has lyrics referencing the Victoria's Secret Fashion
36:40
shows. A lot of references honestly and
36:43
her music videos like Karlie Kloss before the Victoria's
36:45
Secret Fashion show is doing a ballet dance kind of like ad in
36:50
the theater that Taylor Swift uses for the set of the Fate of
36:54
Ophelia music video. Like 100% like it's not doubted.
36:58
She also has a lyric and you aren't in love.
37:00
She says you 2 are dancing in a snow globe round and round.
37:03
And there's performance on the VS fashion show where I think
37:06
it's called snow angels and Taylor's performing and snow is
37:10
falling down as she is dancing and gesturing towards Karlie
37:13
Kloss. Right snow globe.
37:16
We also have gold rush quote walk past quick brush.
37:20
I don't like slow motion, double vision and a rose blush.
37:23
That's, you know, could be a reference to both Taylor and
37:27
Carly wearing rose blush outfits walking down the runway, slow
37:32
motion, quick brush walk past her.
37:35
Like shut up. Like it's unreal.
37:38
We also have when she's walking down the runway with Karlie
37:41
Kloss, they're on a checkerboard runway.
37:44
And then, of course, we have the checkerboard call back during
37:46
the Aeros tour where she is holding hands with her dancer
37:50
and walking down the runway, a checkerboard runway.
37:54
It's like, not even funny. Like, I don't know how anyone
37:56
disputes this. So the point is that there's a
37:59
lot of times where there's been some gay cruising on the
38:03
Victoria's Secret runway. And I know that that's usually a
38:05
term like for gay men. But I think that like, lesbians
38:08
should like, maybe come up with their own or use it as well
38:11
because it really is what it is. It's like these girls walking
38:14
down, checking out other girls, trying to figure out who to
38:17
date, and then they do date. So in conclusion, Victoria's
38:21
Secret is that she is Saphic. The culture is Saphic.
38:25
What it is inherently hides the Saphicness, the secret of the
38:31
queerness behind the male gaze because men are so fucking dumb
38:35
to realize how gay Victoria's Secret is.
38:37
And at the end of the day, the models themselves are gay too.
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