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Halloween Week: Trick of Treat Murder - Peter Fabiano · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen, theyse and them's It's all Hallow's Eve with
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  Speaker 1: Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko and for the
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  Speaker 1: past week I have been your master of ceremonies as
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  Speaker 1: we lead you through Halloween Week, and of course I
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  Speaker 1: will be here for the remainder of the very last day.
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  Speaker 1: Every story we've covered has turned and twisted, through the creepy,
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  Speaker 1: through the murderous, and so far you have stuck with us,
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  Speaker 1: side by side. And now a murderous tale that takes
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  Speaker 1: a back to nineteen fifty seven on this very night,
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  Speaker 1: on the night of Halloween. But of course that's not
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  Speaker 1: a story for me to tell. That is a story
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  Speaker 1: for your hosts. So let me once again introduce your
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  Speaker 1: hosts of Wicked and Grim, Ben and Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 3: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: Week with Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 3: A true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And it's Halloween. Whoa We made it seven full days? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we hope you guys have had fun so far.
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  Speaker 3: Happy Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: You guys got to tell us your trick of treating.
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  Speaker 2: You're dressed up? What's the deal all of it?
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  Speaker 3: Do You're drinking, you're eating, Yeah, what you're doing?
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  Speaker 2: What's happened right now? We are podcasting with a black
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  Speaker 2: cat sitting right before Actruly. Yeah, he's he's our Halloween mascot.
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  Speaker 2: That's Kiwi.
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  Speaker 3: He's our best Halloween decoration act. He is.
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  Speaker 2: He's rocked it. Also, speaking to people who have rocked
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  Speaker 2: it are patrons. Yeah, so we are going to go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and read our patrons who have signed up for
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  Speaker 2: these are the ones who signed up this past week.
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  Speaker 2: We have Harley Woodward, Matthew Hobbes, John Stark, and Jamie
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Here's over two hundred of us over there showing away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super cool. It's an awesome environment there.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's like a whole community. Yeah, it's cool.
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  Speaker 3: And people chat with each other sometimes and it's great.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, so I love it.
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  Speaker 2: And also we have a contest for running right now.
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  Speaker 2: This is only running for the next like twelve hours
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  Speaker 2: or so. Yeah. So unless this is you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: this podcast like immediately once released, you might be too late,
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  Speaker 2: but go ahead and tell them about that's what they
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  Speaker 2: can do to win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we're going to be drawing it on Halloween Day,
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  Speaker 3: so October thirty first today at six pm ish because
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  Speaker 3: we're doing a live at that time on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, specific standard time, yes, PST.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry. So all you have to do is you have
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  Speaker 3: to submit a photo. So on Facebook, you submit in
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  Speaker 3: the comments. On Instagram, you do a story and you
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  Speaker 3: take us of your carved pumpkin. Easy. Easy, And I'm
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  Speaker 3: when I posted about it, I was like, this is
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  Speaker 3: a lot easier than the last give away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. So if you do that, it's not
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  Speaker 2: a skill based thing. As soon as you submit the photo,
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  Speaker 2: you're automatically in a draw and you can win yourself
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  Speaker 2: at big old fuzzy fuffy fuffy, full fluffy blanket with
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  Speaker 2: a big old picture of JACKO on it from our
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  Speaker 2: cool So yeah, yeah, go ahead and enter that, go
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  Speaker 2: follow our socials and join in and you could win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then one other thing we just wanted to note,
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  Speaker 3: because we put a whole week of awesomeness out and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to let you all get kind of caught
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  Speaker 3: up on that. There won't be an episode on November first,
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, correct, so, but there will be one the
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  Speaker 3: following Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: So just so you all are in the know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it might take some of those people out
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  Speaker 2: there who are a little bit behind a whole week
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  Speaker 2: even to catch up on Halloween week. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to give that due time to catch up, and us,
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  Speaker 2: honestly due time to catch up as well, because we
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  Speaker 2: do work full time jobs and this Halloween week was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work. So that one little extra day
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  Speaker 2: for us will make a big difference. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: should we get right into it.
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  Speaker 3: I think So this is the last day we made it.
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  Speaker 3: It's this is this is a celebration, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The end of the second annual Halloween weeks. It's here,
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  Speaker 2: this is it. It's all come down to this store.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, second annual. We've been around that long, right, it's
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  Speaker 3: like yesterday that we.
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  Speaker 2: Started, well, maybe the day before.
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  Speaker 3: I keep okay, I'm wearing a risk guard. It keeps catching,
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking it off, Okay, fair.
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  Speaker 2: Enough, Okay. So we're going to be going back to
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, nice and this is the trick or
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  Speaker 2: treat murder. Oh so it's very holloween oriented.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look at you go.
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  Speaker 2: So you ready for this?
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready all right.
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  Speaker 2: So in nineteen fifty seven in Los Angeles, Betty Fabiano
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  Speaker 2: was just about finished evaluating her life choices. By then,
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  Speaker 2: she was thirty five years old. She'd been married twice,
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  Speaker 2: and she was currently living with her second husband, Peter Fabiano,
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  Speaker 2: and her daughter, Judy Solomon. From the outside looking in,
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  Speaker 2: Betty had it all. Her and Peter owned two successful
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  Speaker 2: hair salons, and they had a beautiful house in the valley.
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  Speaker 2: Her son, Richard Solomon was at the start of his
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  Speaker 2: career in the navy, Judy was doing pretty well in school,
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  Speaker 2: and Betty could pick and choose her own business hours nice.
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  Speaker 3: So like living the life really.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much everyone's dream. You know, you've got like the
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  Speaker 2: nice house, you got the nice family, your business owner,
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  Speaker 2: you can pick your own hours and do what you want,
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  Speaker 2: work when you want, how you want it. She's got
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  Speaker 2: it made.
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  Speaker 3: And it was California they live, right la. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like dreams bought to live.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was a nice work life balance pretty
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  Speaker 2: much through and through love.
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  Speaker 3: That so I hope to get there one day.
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  Speaker 2: One day, one day. Yeah. No, she was being able
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  Speaker 2: to like just decide when she was going to help
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  Speaker 2: Peter her with the salons and when she devoted her
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  Speaker 2: time at the household. Like it was. It was beautiful, perfect,
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  Speaker 2: something to strive for. I can tell you that right now.
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  Speaker 2: But as we all know, things aren't always what they seem.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, that's very much so a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, as I alluded to, she already kind of
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  Speaker 2: like second guessing her life choices. Right. So, Peter and
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  Speaker 2: Betty ran into some difficulties in their marriage. Only small
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  Speaker 2: fights broke out here and there, but they progressively grew
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  Speaker 2: into more intense altercations. As far as I could tell,
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  Speaker 2: nothing ever got physical, but I mean it was arguments.
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  Speaker 2: It was abrasiveness within the marriage, right so, never a
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  Speaker 2: good thing, not necessarily a sign of detriment by any means,
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  Speaker 2: but not enjoyable.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes when people tell me they don't fight. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 3: there's something wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I mean, people are different. No matter
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  Speaker 2: how well you get alone.
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  Speaker 3: And you're living under the same roof, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: have a disagreements every once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: With rite life, it's like, do the fucking dishes for once,
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  Speaker 2: they did five days in a row, like that sort
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  Speaker 2: of shit.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's actually happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, on more than one occasion.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's actually the one that does the dishes more often.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, very much so, So maybe you should do some
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  Speaker 2: fucking dishes once in a while.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, kidding, Wow, you're gonna get rained on.
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  Speaker 2: I was joking. Come on. Anyways, moving on, particularly Peter particularly,
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  Speaker 2: things got a little bit more intense after Peter had
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  Speaker 2: hired a new secretary for one of their salons. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Joan Rabble was her name, and she had a colorful past.
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  Speaker 2: She was born in Philadelphia in nineteen seventeen, but she
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  Speaker 2: had traveled most of America by now, and she'd walked
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  Speaker 2: through peter salon doors in of course, nineteen fifty seven
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  Speaker 2: when this takes place. Now, she had been married and
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  Speaker 2: divorced and was a successful photographer writer, and she liked
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  Speaker 2: to get a lot of her inspiration for her tales
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  Speaker 2: through her travels, and she had many exotic tales to
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  Speaker 2: tell of her life when she came to the Fabiano's
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  Speaker 2: shop for a job. Okay, Now, Peter liked Joan right
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  Speaker 2: off the get go and what she had to say,
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  Speaker 2: so we hired her almost on the spot, and of
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  Speaker 2: course it wasn't long before he introduced her to Betty,
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't take much time for Joan to become
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  Speaker 2: the heart of the problem between Betty and Peter. But
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  Speaker 2: probably not in the way that you're thinking. Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say this right now, whereabout is
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  Speaker 2: your head at them? Where you think these problems lied.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty basic that they had an affair of sorts,
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  Speaker 3: or their flirt network or the wife. Who's the which
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  Speaker 3: one's the wife? Sorry, Joan or Betty or Betty?
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  Speaker 2: Peter and Betty are the married couple.
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  Speaker 3: That Betty's just a little jealous of Joan. Maybe she's
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  Speaker 3: a looker.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you're half right, let's put it that way. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll touch you. I'll fill you in on here in
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  Speaker 2: just one second. So I get Yes, you're there, but
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  Speaker 2: you're there's a curve ball coming at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: So Joan was with the couple quite a lot. She
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  Speaker 2: worked with them at least one of them during the day,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes both, and they often invited her over for dinner
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  Speaker 2: in the evenings. So Joan got really close with them,
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  Speaker 2: and when things got rocky between Peter and Betty, Betty
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  Speaker 2: actually moved in with Joan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, Oh dude, they have an affair.
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  Speaker 2: And Joan made the moves on Betty. Okay, okay, so
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  Speaker 2: you're right, but you're wrong with who. Yeah, yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So actually we don't really know who made the first
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  Speaker 2: moves per se, but newspapers at the time would later
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  Speaker 2: describe Joan and Betty's relationship as quote abnormal whatever that meant.
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  Speaker 2: But remember this is nineteen fifties, right, So now, when
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  Speaker 2: Peter realized what was going on in their relationship behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes, he had a choice to make, and he
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  Speaker 2: chose to make it clear that he wanted Betty back.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: So Betty took a hard, long look at her life
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  Speaker 2: and she decided that what she wanted was Joan to
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  Speaker 2: go back to her husband.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Okay, she left Joan. Man, I'm not doing well
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  Speaker 3: with my guessing right now, not really, I'm failing.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the next guest. I don't know if there's another
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  Speaker 2: guest in here, I can't recall, but if there's another one,
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  Speaker 2: we'll put you to the test.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So we don't obviously know exactly what was going on
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  Speaker 2: in everyone's mind at the time, but judging by what
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  Speaker 2: Joan went on to do after Betty left her for Peter,
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  Speaker 2: Joan was clearly heartbroken.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, even if.
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  Speaker 2: Things did go back to normal for a while, though
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  Speaker 2: now Peter did make it very clear that Betty had
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  Speaker 2: to cut all ties with Joan, she was no longer
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  Speaker 2: working at the salon, and everyone seemed to move on
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  Speaker 2: with their lives, at least for.
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  Speaker 3: A while, rightfully. So really, oh definitely. I mean in
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  Speaker 3: order for their marriage to work, I think that would have.
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  Speaker 2: To be well, yeah, I think if anyone is having
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  Speaker 2: an affair, yeah, and I think it's very understandable for
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  Speaker 2: the party to who that's reconnecting to say, okay, we
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  Speaker 2: need to set boundaries. There was an affair, that person
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  Speaker 2: that you had an affair with to be excluded from
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  Speaker 2: our relationship. For us to continue, that's totally understandable. And
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  Speaker 2: first off, perrops to Peter for being able to actually.
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  Speaker 3: Take it right now, for that's that is actually amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Good on him. Yeah, so things were better between Peter
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  Speaker 2: and Betty and Joan had moved on to someone else,
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  Speaker 2: and that someone else was Goldene Piser. Goldean was a
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  Speaker 2: forty two year old lab assistant who'd also been in
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  Speaker 2: a failed marriage and was just beginning to understand and
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  Speaker 2: explore her own sexuality when she met Joan. Now they'd
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  Speaker 2: actually known each other for a few years before nineteen
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  Speaker 2: fifty seven, but it was right after Betty left Joan
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  Speaker 2: that Goldean and her became really good friends.
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  Speaker 3: Ok.
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  Speaker 2: And Goldean, in a later interview, used the words coffee
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  Speaker 2: clatch to describe her friendship with Joan, And this apparently
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  Speaker 2: comes from a German word called I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: and pronounce this. This is German, remember kafn klatches, which
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  Speaker 2: means coffee and gossip.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so well done.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I probably butchered it, but I do not
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  Speaker 2: speak German. If you can't tell, it's not my first, second, third,
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  Speaker 2: or fourth language.
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  Speaker 3: That was about a hundred times better than what I
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  Speaker 3: would do, So props to you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, prior to us turning on the microphones,
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  Speaker 2: I was just singing Ramstein, so that might have warmed
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  Speaker 2: me up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, our little pre show rituals or
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  Speaker 3: sometimes something else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a lot of times you can catch those
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  Speaker 2: pre show rituals in an actual pre show we post
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  Speaker 2: on Patreon. So yeah, little little note.
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  Speaker 3: You should do a video of it too. Half the
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  Speaker 3: time one of us is wandering around dancing or trying
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  Speaker 3: to get our like, I don't know what.
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  Speaker 2: Is that called energy or mojo flowing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, we digress. It was coffee and gossip that
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  Speaker 2: she described it, Asky, So they would spend hours together,
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  Speaker 2: either at a cafe or at each other's house, talking
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  Speaker 2: over a cup of coffee and slowly but surely developing
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  Speaker 2: the relationship. I'll just leave it with that now. Joan
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  Speaker 2: started telling Goldeen everything that had happened between her and Betty.
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  Speaker 2: According to her, all the blame for her failing relationship
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  Speaker 2: was on one person and one person only, the quote
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  Speaker 2: evil Peter Fabiano oh Man. So over the next three months,
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  Speaker 2: Joan told Goldeen over and over and what a terrible man,
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  Speaker 2: an awful husband. Peter Fabiano was Joan said that he
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  Speaker 2: used and dealt in narcotics. She said that he mistreated
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  Speaker 2: Betty and how she just wanted to get her old
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  Speaker 2: friend Betty out of the horrible marriage and away from
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  Speaker 2: that abusive man. So she painted him in an absolutely
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  Speaker 2: horrible light. Yeah, did whatever she could to get Goldeen
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  Speaker 2: onto her side.
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  Speaker 3: But really, from like me, I mean, I don't know everything,
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  Speaker 3: but just an outsider, he doesn't seem terrible.
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  Speaker 2: No, definitely not. I mean there was some and there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing confirmed, mind you, but there was some talk of
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  Speaker 2: a potential minor abuse in the relationship. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it was physical. I do think it was a bit mental.
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  Speaker 2: By this sounds of it verbal. Mental. Yeah, However, any
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  Speaker 2: of that sort of stuff was reconciled as again as
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  Speaker 2: far as I can tell, when they were getting back together. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone has their fault. That's probably what drove
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  Speaker 2: them apart, and then coming back together they're resolving it, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but then also too, lots of times if
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  Speaker 3: you're talking to a friend about a relationship, I mean
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  Speaker 3: you're venting to them, right, and lots of times more
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  Speaker 3: of the negative things come out than the positives too.
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  Speaker 3: So true, she could not even know the full picture.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. So regardless, though, her stories were more than enough
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  Speaker 2: to convince Goldean to help her take care of him.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds scary.
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  Speaker 2: So on September twenty first, Goldean went to a shop
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  Speaker 2: in Pasadena where she ordered a thirty eight millimeter miss
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  Speaker 2: and Wesson pistol. Yes, she told the man behind the
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  Speaker 2: counter that she wanted it for home protection and that
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  Speaker 2: she only wanted two bullets for it. A few days later,
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  Speaker 2: Joan dropped by Goldine's house in a car she had
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  Speaker 2: borrowed from a friend. She gave Goldean the money for
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  Speaker 2: the gun and then drove her back to Pasadena to
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  Speaker 2: collect it. The two then made their way to Peter
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  Speaker 2: and Betty's home in the valley, and they staked it out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm picturing like classic, like parked in the side of
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  Speaker 2: the upper side of the road, like you know, ducking
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  Speaker 2: down in the dim light sort of thing. That's pretty
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  Speaker 2: much what they did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all dressed in black kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure
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  Speaker 2: that's how it played out, but that's pretty much the
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  Speaker 2: sum of what they were doing, right, good visual driving
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  Speaker 2: by and watching that sort of thing. Yeah, now knowing
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  Speaker 2: what the horrible man Peter looked like, Golden waited until
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  Speaker 2: the time was right to make her move, and that
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  Speaker 2: time was Halloween night on nineteen fifty seven.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. I feel like any incident that's scary like this
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  Speaker 3: that happens on Hallo Halloween night just amplifies the scariness. Ey. Oh, definitely,
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  Speaker 3: like it's terrifying one percent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if Halloween's not scary enough for some people,
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  Speaker 2: hearing something like this definitely would be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Joan borrowed a friend's car again, and then she
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  Speaker 2: headed over to Golden's house to pick her up. Now,
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  Speaker 2: in Goldene's own words, she said this, Joan came over
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to my house with some clothing, blue jeans, khaki jackets, hats, iemasks, makeup,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: and red gloves. We dressed up, got in the car
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and drove to Fabiano's home, arriving there about nine pm.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So strange outfits, more of a disguise of some sort
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: than really a costume. But they're just throwing on whatever
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: they had to look strange and kind of fit in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: with Halloween.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Again, right, And my brain sorry, I'm like totally listen
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: to you, but I'm just like, this is so unnecessary.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It is. But also, remember the conversation we had the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: other day about the urban legends also taking place, I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: believe it in the fifties. Wasn't it the one Halloween
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: massacre that was proven to be false? Okay, yeah, how
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: people are making their own costumes and everything. That's exactly
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: what they're doing here.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Oh not necessarily a costumes though, the whole thing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I just wanted to point that out. Okay,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the costume part is falling in line with that.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, I see, yeah, but yeah, I know, this.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Whole thing, trust me, definitely unnecessary. Anyways, so they dressed
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: up in their Halloween costumes. Golden and Joan waited outside,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: sitting in the borrowed car until all the lights in
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the Fabiano home went out and the streets went quiet.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It was then that Golding made her move. It was
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: just a little past eleven pm when Golding walked up
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: to the Fabiano's door and knocked. Sorry, I just wanted
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to add that in there. No one answered, so she
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: waited a little bit and knocked again.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: If that was me, I wouldn't fucking answer either, There's
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: no way in hell.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Well, this time, she could hear movement behind the door. Okay,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and it was Peter. He'd been in bed, laying going
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to sleep with Betty when they both heard the first knock,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and he thought about leaving it, just like you're talking about.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But it was Halloween. He figured it was just some
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: late trick of treaters.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So with.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The second knock, he got out of bed, made his
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: way downstairs, picked up the bowl of candy, and headed
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for the door. Oh no, He opened the door to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: expect to see a trick of treat yep, and he
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: saw Goldeen in her costume, standing there with a brown
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: paper bag in her hand, and he asked her. It's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a little late for this, isn't it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Counts differ on whether Golden actually answered him or not,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: but some say she simply answered no, while others say
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that she said something to him as he opened the door.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: What we do know, though, is that Betty heard two
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: voices from upstairs in her bedroom.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: She later said that one of them sounded like a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: man's voice and the other had sounded like a man
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: pretending to be a woman and then she heard a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: loud pop.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, so she's like two voices aside from her hubbies.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: That was never clarified as far as I could tell.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, because I need clarification. Sorry here, Joan is the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: one that was with Betty, yes, but she's not even
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the one at the door.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Joan is currently in the car on the side of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the road. Oh, Goldeane was in the car with Joan,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and now Goldeane went up to the door.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's not his thought. But then I also
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: was thinking, I just assumed it would have been Joan
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: going up to the door. So that's okay, she really
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: convinced this person, she did. Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, when Peter had opened the door and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: offered gold Dean some candy, Goldean had put both hands
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: inside the paper bag that she was holding and lifting
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it up. Now, I'm sure he only assumed this was
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: going to be her trigg or treat bag, right, But
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: she instead pointed the bag directly at his chest, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: what he couldn't see was the gun that was inside.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yep, brutal.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So Goldean pointed it at his chest and pulled the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: trigger and the bullet hit Peter just below the heart
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and he hit the ground.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Iikes, would Peter have known gold Dean then? No, okay,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: this would have been a complete stranger to him.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The month prior, on September twenty first, when Joan
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: drove by the house with Goldean, that was to show
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Goldean who they were. And he's the evil man and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: he's the one.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, So they had never met.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It was just Goldiane staking out the house when she
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: learned who he was, right, yeah, And of course all
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the talk and everything through Joan and the stories.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So after the loud quote pop, Golding took off, racing
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: back to the car and her and Joan quickly drove away.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But inside the house things were far from finished. Hearing
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the sound of the gun going off and not knowing
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: what it was, both Betty and her daughter Judy came
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: rushing downstairs to find Peter laying on his back by
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the front door, bleeding out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Betty frantically tried to help him, and Judy ran to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: one of the neighbor's houses for help. The neighbor was
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Bud Alpert, a member of the lapd Okay, and Judy
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: knew that Bud wouldn't know what to do.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good neighbor to have, eh.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Definitely if any sort of authorities or your neighbor. I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that's quick and easy access. It's glorious. However, it was
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night, Bud was sleeping, so it
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: took a few minutes of banging on his door to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: wake him up. But once he answered the door and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: realized what was going on, he jumped into action and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: took over the scene. Okay, he called the ambulance, followed
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: by police officers, and Peter was quickly rushed to hospital.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I hope he lives.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We'll touch on that shortly. The only witnesses of the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: murder other than Peter's family hearing the incident from inside
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the house, was a fifteen year old boy who'd heard
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the gunshot and seen the getaway cars speeding down the street.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Police were left with very few clues as they tried
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to process this scene and figure out what was going on,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and unfortunately, Peter died in the hospital from severe blood loss.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that because you did say the murder.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this left investigators with no one able to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: identify the shooter.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Dang Wow. Okay, I was kind of thinking he'd lived,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to be honest. See here I am again like, gosh,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: this whole story, I just can't predict whatsomever.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: There was potential because it did miss his heart right,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: so there was potential. But however, there was severe blood loss,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and it could have been that it was to an artery.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find that. But I mean, he did bleed
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: out so well.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: And then it does seem like there was a bit
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of time to where it makes his chances less, right, Oh,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: definitely with him, like having to go wake offa or
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the daughter, wake up the police officer, and then getting
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: him to the hospital and.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And one of the problems too is it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: not in a limb, it's inside the torso, right, So
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: if you are say shot in the arm, and it
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: does hit an artery and you are bleeding out, you
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: can put pressure and tie that off. You can stop
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the bleeding out. Shot in the chest, you can't just
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: put pressure on the chest. He's now bleeding internally, so
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he's still going to bleed out, right, dang.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he really didn't have much of a chance.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So what he needed was medical attention, someone getting in there.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Surge at stamp.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So all while this was going on, while he was
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: bleeding out, while investigators were frantically trying to figure out
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: what was going on, Golden and Joan drove back to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a friend's where they dropped the car back off. A
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: statement would be collected from Golden later, where it had
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: her stating, we left the car on the street, separated,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and walked to our homes. Joan said, forget you ever
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: saw me?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: It was then clear to Goldean that Joan had no intentions,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: oh ever seeing her again.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Shit, yes, that is some ultimate betrayal.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. And it was right then and there that she
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: realized this is pretty much on her shoulders and she
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was still left one big problem. She still had the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: murder weapon.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Holy heck. And like in her mind, she's probably like, man,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the person I just killed, is he really that bad?
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Because this person I thought was good as a monster?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Pretty much? Oh? Pretty much?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I'm getting up, I'm making Ripley upset.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It's all good. She feeds off your energy, so.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah she does. So.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she knew that she was if she was caught
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: with this gun, this murder weapon, she wouldn't be able
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to defend or explain herself in any way, right, So
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: what she did. Her solution was she went to a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: nearby grocery store and rented out a locker. She left
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the gun inside it, and she probably thought that was that,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: or at least she hoped she did. But even with
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: all of Joan's planning, the police would soon be closing
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: in mm hm. And they would be closing in because
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: when they asked if her husband had any enemies, Betty
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: quickly gave them the name.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Joan Rabble and then Joan rats out her friend instantly.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they brought Joan in for questioning, but Joan played
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it cool and gave them absolutely nothing.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, here again, just don't listen, and my predictions are
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: just at the fucking lunch here.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You're way off course on a lot of this.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this case is just not predictable
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: or if I'm tired, or what the hell's going on?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you did, you did get one thing right here
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that we'll be touching on here shortly, So just just
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: hold hold onto your panty here. There was no physical
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: evidence to tie Joan to the scene, so they couldn't
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: hold her they had to let her go. But everything
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: changed when investigators received an anonymous tip about a certain
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: locker in a certain grocery store. Okay, now this anonymous
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: tip again it is I mean, it's anonymous. Yeah, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we can guess who made.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: It, Joan, you think, Joe, I don't know. That's what
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I think. But maybe I should say someone else because
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: my guess.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Has been streat Well, that's not who i'd guess. You'll
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: change your mind here. Shortly acting on the tip, the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: authority searched the locker and found the murder wapping laying inside.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Of course, it was easy to find who the locker
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: belonged to once they trailed the rental information, and it
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: of course led them straight to Goldeing. Okay, now, when
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: approached by police, Goldine was more than ready to talk,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and she started confessing almost as soon as the police
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: walked through her door.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Which honestly will do better for her in the long
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: run for sentencing definitely and all that. Right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Goldean had time to think about what she'd done,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and now out from under jones influence for quite a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: few days, Goldean had realized that she had been completely
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: played and manipulated.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: And that she fucked up big. Yes, she took someone's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: life for God's.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Sake, exactly. So earlier you did mention that Goldean would
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: realize that she was being controlled. Yeah, so right on that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But I mean, again, it was an anonymous call. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm pretty sure Goldean was the one
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: who called it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That tip for the Oh okay, that wasn't going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: be my second guest, just to kind of get this
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: rolling where she could start confessing, hey, and getting it
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: off her chest.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, she couldn't. She couldn't contain it. She realized she
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: was used, and yeah, she's pretty much confessing. So police
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: brought her back for questioning, and she began to tell
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: them everything that happened. She told him that Joan had
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: said everything and all these evil things about Peter Fabiano.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: She told him about how Joan asked her to kill him,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and she'd driven Goldeine down to buy the gun and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: even paid for it herself.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Then Golden admitted that she didn't even know Peter or
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: really have any reason to kill him on her own.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Her exact words were, quote, I had no motive personally,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: whatever motive I had was to please Joan. I was
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: always easily influenced. I had been impressionable and was always trusting.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That's kind of sad, hey.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It really is. She was completely taken advantage of, like
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and I mean she probably thought that, like
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: they were kind of in a relationship of sorts, right,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: and that's exactly what they loved each other.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's almost heartbreaking, really it is. You feel bad
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: for her, but then a step back, she still murdered someone.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, But Joan, she was using, You're
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like a marionette puppet Jones, being a big old I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: She was a bitch, she was, yeah, terrible. Yeah, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: it also sounded too like Goldane was kind of in
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a place in her life where she was trying to
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: rebuild almost right, and the very susceptible to something like this.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Through and through with that nail enough.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gosh, that's so sad.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, with the confessions and evidence that followed, authorities
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: had enough to arrest and charge both of them. Joan
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't admit to anything and barely spoke to investigators, but
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: they had everything they needed from gold Dean's confessions, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the pair were taken to court. Whether you're both pleaded guilty, sorry,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: not guilty both really my mistake on that. Amazingly enough,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor had them psychologically examined to make sure that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they were able to stand for their plea and they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: were sane enough to stand trial. Now, the reason for
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: this was again we're going back to the nineteen fifth
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: these when homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Oh boy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the time of the prosecution, the prosecution
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: they actually wanted to find out if they could even
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: build a case against either of them, or if they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: should just send them to a mental institution.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, they're gay, should they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: be in straight jackets? That's pretty much their thought process,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: which is like, holy fuck, that's brutal.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: That's disturbing.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. So that's nice to see we've progressed
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: at least a little. But since then, yes, yep, doctors however,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: did find both of them fit to stand trial. Okay,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: but they did also confirm a part of Goldin's experiences
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and in the evaluation of Goldean, the psychiacts. Sorry, psychiatrists
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: wrote this quote The only thought she had was that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: she was saving her friend Joan Rabble from an evil person.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: She became a handy tool or putty in the hands
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: of miss Rabble.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Hmmm. Wow. So I mean people are they're seeing what happened,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: they're believing it and everything.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So I'm very curious to know what the fuck happens
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: with like sentencing and stuff.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Well, for Joanes, she was diagnosed with apparently having schizoid personality,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: but I was still found well enough to go to court.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me, because she seems literally like a beach.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Just because you're a beyach doesn't mean you're quote schizoid.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Well no, no, not at all. But I already think
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: that she was like, I'm not a fan of her,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and the fact that she's that that evil. I was like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: something has to be like not quite right.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: You know, she's dealing with some mental issues potentially. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not that I think you have mental issues. You're
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: beyond that is not what I mean.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like I know plenty of people without mental
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: issues who are still biaces, trust me, probably more, probably more. Anyways,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: by then, both of the women had changed their pleas
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Golding went down the insanity route, and Joan pleaded guilty
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: to second degree murder. Okay, many people looking back at
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Joan's sudden change in her stance, they saw her not
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: wanting to receive a harsher sentence because of being homosexual.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: She was still which was still illegal at the time,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and it could have actually influenced her trial. Oh okay, yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: but either way, they were both found guilty of second
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: degree murder. As a result of the trial, they both
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: received a life sentence with a minimum of five years,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and from there, Joan kind of disappears from the history books.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: There's no record of when or if she ever was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: ever released, but we do know that Goldine was and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one she was released, and fourteen years
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: after the murder, she was an officer at the Professional
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Women's Club in Miracle Mile and she spent the rest
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of her life in Los Angeles before she died in
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight at the age of eighty three.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad that they both got the same because
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: that was what I was worried that Golden would get
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: more than Joan.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, which I mean she was definitely the one who
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: pulled the trigger. So I can understand the concern forgetting more.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I it's right that she got the same,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: but I'm almost at the same time like hoping she
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: got less because she was so manipulated.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: You know, hoping. But then she still she did the.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Act exactly, she still committed the murder. So it's like, yeah, no,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that's totally fair. I can one hundred percent respect that
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: she should be serving time. Yes, yes, Now it's also
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: a little tricky to pin down what happened to Betty
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Fabiano afterwards. We know she sold the businesses after Peter
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: had died, but some accounts say that she remarried in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six. Now some say she didn't remarry. Some
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: also say that she played a part in Peter's death,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: but there's little to no evidence to prove that. We
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: know that she also died in her eighties, but she
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: moved to Palm Desert, California, where she passed away at
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the age of eighty one. All in all, other than
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: what was found in the court process, it's unclear of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: just how much of a role any of the women
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: were really involved in this case. I mean, of course,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we do know that Joan manipulated Golden, but we don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: really know to what degree, and we don't know if
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Betty was really involved. What we do know is it
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: was kind of like a messy love triangle situation that
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: caught the better of multiple emotions. And for some they
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: were simply trying to make sense of the world that
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: refused to make sense of them, and for others it
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: may have simply been revenge. Who knows. For whatever the reason,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this story has left more than a few people broken hearted.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Though that theory Betty being involved is very interesting.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: It is, but again, there's no evidence zip because.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: You have to wonder, Like I mean, it's a possibility
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that she decided to have gone back to him, being
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: that the world wasn't very open to her situation and
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: she wasn't happy, and like she was the one behind this.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Not saying I could see it, not saying that's what
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: happened by any means, but I could see it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there could be some like we sit here and
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: we look and we say, oh, Joan was pulling all
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the strings behind the scene, Well, what if Betty was
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: pulling Joan's strings because Joan was pulling Golden.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Joan was obsessed with Betty.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so who knows. Yeah, all we know is that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: at the cost of one man's life, this literally created
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the most infamous murder tied to the spooky Halloween season
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: in American history, that would go down in history known
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: as the Trick or Treat murders.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Wow, huh yeah, way to end Halloween Week.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a good one to end off on.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Very much though it was actually very interesting.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: So what was your favorite episode from Halloween Week?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, am I allowed to look at them all?
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if I can remember.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Off the top of your head. I'm surprised you're not
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: just going with the three urban legends right away.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh could you forget about it?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's all a blur. I can't even
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: We need to go through what we've done. Come on,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: please bring them up.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, bring them up. I'll bring it up right now.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Give us talk some entertainment while I'm pulling this up
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  Speaker 2: on Spotify.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, we all know that I'm not very good at
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: talk and entertainment.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Here, you can do it. I believe in you.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, what's okay? What's everyone's favorite Halloween candy. That's a
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: good Halloween snap. I got these really cool KitKat like
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: they were spooky kit cats or something. And so they're
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: like shaped is what are they shaped as?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Like little monsters?
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And yeah, they're freaking delicious.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I was actually just talking the other day how slept on,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Oh Henry bars are. They're actually fucking delicious.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: They're good, So they're good.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I got the list of here.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I just have to say to finish this off. The
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: only really Halloween County treat I don't love as Smarties.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Oh also the emin ms that are just normal eminems.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I like the pen and m and ms.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: You might want to pronounce peanuts a little more and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: not precisely.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Anyways, what we covered so far was the Man with
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: a Thousand Facesmyosuna scary shit, the hands resist him. The
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: haunted paintings Booky, the Hungarian vampire Bella Kiss Oh god. Yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: three Urban Legends version two Haunted places around the world.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That was fun.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: The Alice killings.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I already forget what that is.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: You forget what the alice? The playing cards oh shit. Yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: and then of course today the trick or Treat murders.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, I would definitely have to say Urban Legends because
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: that shit's just fun. And I did like going around
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: the world. The haunted spooky locations around the world is
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: kind of fun too.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Those are definitely fun. I do have to say, though,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Jami Osuna, the Man with a Thousand Faces, that was
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: that was a ride and head.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do like this one too. I mean
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I like them all, don't get me wrong, I like
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: them all. This one I found kind of interesting as well.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: But we'll do a post of sorts, say, and see
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: what other people's favorites are. It's kind of neat for
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: us to know.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: We'll learn too, definitely. So if you want to go
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: see that post, head over to our social media Instagram, Facebook,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you name it, all our links in the description below.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You can check us out on Patreon. We can get
• 39:26
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• 39:29
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• 39:30
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• 39:32
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• 39:35
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• 39:37
  Speaker 2: more helps, so we would definitely appreciate that. But with
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: all of that wrapped up, that's a wrap that is
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Halloween Week.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So just like last year, we're gonna hand this off.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Take it away, Jacko.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: With what can only be described as the blink of
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: an eye, the second annual Hallowing Week has come and gone.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It has been a pleasure these past seven days to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: serve you as your master of ceremonies through these tales
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: of Halloweing Week. Of course, I must return to my
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: slumber once again, But don't be sad. I am always
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: around in spirit. And if you light a single candle
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and listen closely to the flame flicker in the melting wax,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you might just hear my voice. You might just hear
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: my laugh. Until next time, stay wicked.