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Episode 123: Our final thoughts on "Ahsoka", including the final three episodes. · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's Most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hi everyone, Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, A
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  podcast about Obi Wan, Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host Lauren, and
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  this week we are going to discuss the finale of Asoka and
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  the previous two episodes. So episode 6-7 and the finale,
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  which is 8. Yes.
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  And our thoughts. Our thoughts, our thoughts.
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  I gotta say, I'll just, I'll say right off the jump I thought it
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  fell flat. I was, yeah.
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  I didn't really care for it. I don't think it's stuck the
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  landing. I don't either.
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  Every. OK, so I'm hearing 2 camps of
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  thought. There's a lot of people who are,
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  like, sobbing, crying. This is the greatest thing I've
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  ever seen in my life, OK? And then there's a whole another
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  camp of people who are, like, afraid to speak up, which I find
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  quite funny that we're like, what the hell was that?
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  Yeah. And I'm kind of right there with
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  those people, so just say yes. Look, look, we're not here to
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  dull anyone's shine, right? Not at all.
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  There were plenty. There's plenty about it that's
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  beautiful and there's lots to like totally agree.
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  I just thought it was a week ending.
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  And now with all things considered, with the passing of
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  Ray Stevens and and where his character goes from here, it's
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  just a fucking shame because his character was easily the most
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  intriguing of the series. I know he's a new character, so
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  they're always a little bit more interesting because we're
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  getting to know them and we don't know the whole story.
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  But his performance right up to to the end was fantastic, Nailed
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  it. And I wish he was here to know
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  how much he is beloved in just his small amount of time in the
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  world of Star Wars. It's one of those examples of a
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  character coming on and just. Captivating people.
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  Hondo was supposed to be a one time character and he was so
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  good. People loved him.
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  I mean, mall was only on screen for like how many total minutes
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  and people were obsessed with that character back when Phantom
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  Menace came out. So it goes to show how story and
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  an interesting bad plotline can really draw on our audience's
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  attention. So I am also really sad that
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  he's passed away. It's so much.
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  Like what are they going to do? I I don't know.
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  And it was such a beautiful parting shot of the, you know,
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  and. I think that shot is the most
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  interesting one in. All of this show, yeah.
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  So let's talk about it, because obviously it's the father, the
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  daughter and the son. Was the daughter there?
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  I didn't see. No, no.
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  It was like her head was not there.
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  Right. Someone said that she was there,
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  but crumbled. I didn't see her at all.
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  So I got to say that's that is very intriguing because
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  obviously Asoka is tied to the sister.
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  Right. The sister was crumbled, which
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  means, I mean she gave her life force, if you will.
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  Right. And the more I was there,
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  exactly. I I was, I was happy to see all
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  those things. Obviously, I got a big old Lord
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  of the Rings moment because it looked like the the statue of
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  Arganath, Arganath, however you want to pronounce it right.
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  It was great. But I find this planet to be a
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  hodgepodge of all the things that are mystical.
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  It's like, it's like the theme park of Star Wars mysticalness,
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  you know? Go here to find the whales, go
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  here to find the witches, go here to find the father.
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  Like, you're right. What the hell there, Okay.
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  So there's there's a lot there. The father, and then there's
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  this son who are They're all dead, right?
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  Yeah, they've all died now, including the daughter.
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  So. I feel like the symbolism of the
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  daughter being crumbled is because Asoka is the daughter,
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  so she is there, so she doesn't need to be represented in the
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  pillars. Some people were wondering if
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  Balin knew about Mortis somehow and was trying to replace the
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  father with himself, which is why he's standing on that statue
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  particularly. Yes, I I also think that that's
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  that is that's the theory I'm going with.
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  Yeah. There's also a theory that
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  Mother Talzin is the mother of the father, son and daughter.
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  She's the missing mother that had been banished from Mortis,
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  which I would give no credence to, except now they're on this
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  planet that's all about Night Sisters.
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  So now I feel like that is much more possible, didn't they?
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  Isn't the sword that what's her name had halls and sword?
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  Did I hear that properly? You did?
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  Yeah. OK, all right.
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  So there are connections here. And then what was he looking at?
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  Right, it's like a it was light shooting up, right?
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  Is it like an entry to mortise? Is it an entry to the world
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  Between worlds? Is it the same light that Asoka
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  was looking at? Because there was a very
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  distinct, dare I say it has a scientific term.
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  It's called crepuscular ray. If I like that if we want to go
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  to it, but the light that was shining out of those clouds in
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  such a way was that also like was the Soca looking at the same
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  point? I think so that Ray Baylin was
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  looking at. Sorry.
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  I think so, yeah. OK, I think that's interesting.
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  Yeah, like it's all very interesting and makes me very
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  nervous. Like what?
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  Are they gonna fuck up next season?
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  I like, like, I really like not knowing anything about mortis.
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  I like that mortis is a question mark.
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  I don't. I don't really want them to
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  answer too many questions. No, no, it's it's like Yoda and
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  his species. Please don't fuck around and
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  find out. We don't want to find out and we
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  don't want to fuck around with it.
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  It's just mystery ads, intrigue, and honestly, I'm bias mortis
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  belongs to Obi Wan, Anakin and a soca and story period.
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  That's it. Like.
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  They're the only ones who have been there.
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  It was like Wizard of Oz where they came back and everyone was
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  like, yeah, where have you been? We've been here all along, you
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  know. No time has passed.
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  What a strange thing like I leave it alone.
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  I know. Leave it alone.
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  So this also might tie into this, right?
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  You you sent me something, I think, saying that Balin has
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  Arabesh right? Like up his Yep.
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  Garnets. Yep.
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  And it's certain Nuclear Han Chewy 3PO R2-D2 with like casual
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  names, not formal titles, which is like Chewy.
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  Chewy is the name on the thing. I I don't know.
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  Maybe Chewbacca was too long for that small gauntlet.
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  But like Han, instead of like Han, Han Solo.
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  And yeah, I don't know, it's just all very familiar to me.
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  And there's there's another theory because there's so many
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  things that like, are kind of overlapping here.
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  So bear with me. People are complaining that
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  Thron is not like he is in the new Timothy Zahn.
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  Trilogy that he's more like he was in the original Thron
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  trilogy, where he's pretty ruthless.
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  I guess of the the new ones, he doesn't, you know, sacrifice
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  life unless necessary. Like he really doesn't want to
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  kill people necessarily, but he doesn't care about that so much
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  in the old trilogy and in the old trilogy.
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  Spoilers if you haven't read it. There is a crazy guy who I
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  cannot remember his name. You couldn't remember his name
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  in the last episode? I can't.
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  It's weird. I still don't remember.
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  It's like something Jorith or something like that.
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  It's not like a normal name. I can look it up, really have
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  the book like right. I have the books over here.
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  I know I do what you do. Joris C buff bowth.
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  I can't even pronounce it. It's not a real word.
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  OK, OK. But some people are saying that.
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  That could have been Balin. Like, they're like this Jedi
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  becomes a Dark Jedi. Or like, kills a Dark Jedi.
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  So maybe Juris kills Balin and that's how he knows about Luke.
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  I don't know. It's just like, this is all so
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  fucking bizarre. And now that Ray Stevenson is
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  dead, I don't know what they're going to do.
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  I look one way or another. If you're going all the way with
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  this, Luke has to show up. Yeah, and that is something one
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  of our patrons pointed out. And ever since he pointed it
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  out, I've been just as angry as he is.
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  Everyone seems like no one is mentioning Luke Skywalker
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  anywhere. I know, I know.
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  Leia gets a mention, and so if it's OK to mention her when
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  Sabine is telling Ezra what happened.
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  No one mentions the the hero that fucking saved the Galaxy.
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  I'm so angry and confused I don't even know what to do with
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  myself. He is the beginning and the end,
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  and he gets so little credit for it, honestly.
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  Yeah, I don't know why. I honestly, if I sit around and
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  think about it, it makes me angry because he's due some
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  credit. He's due some mentioning he's a
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  big fucking deal. OK?
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  Like we get it. Lay as in the Senate or like was
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  or is involved in the New Republic.
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  You know she's she's part of the politics.
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  Her brother saved the Galaxy like.
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  Twice like. By the way, twice his name
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  should be known should be uttered.
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  It seems like he would be a household name.
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  I yes, I I've been saying this since the first season of Mando.
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  Yes. Yes, yeah.
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  He even goes back to Tatowine and there's no mention of Luke
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  Skywalker on Tatowine. Are you kidding?
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  Fucked up shit. That would make no sense.
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  Like, he's a hometown hero, so to speak.
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  Whether or not people liked him there, it doesn't matter.
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  You think that people wouldn't be using every ounce of credit
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  they could to like, yeah. It just really grinds my gears
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  as they say on. We don't really grinds my we
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  should have a segment. We should have a segment for
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  that. Yeah, I know we try to say
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  positive, but yeah, there's stuff that really bothers me
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  about this about a lot of the current shows, like they, yes,
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  Luke was in those shows. But like, for a fraction of a
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  second. And then no one mentions him
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  ever again, like he's some sort of mysterious mystery.
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  Like everyone would know who he was.
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  Ray knew who he was. He was a legend to her.
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  So. Yeah, she's pretty isolated.
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  I mean, she's basically, yes, isolated.
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  She's heard of him. So I would expect in these other
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  shows leading up to the sequels that other people would know
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  about him. I don't know, just me, just me.
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  Yeah. I'm with you on it.
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  I have a real, real big problem with zombie troopers.
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  Yeah, they lost me. There's going to be a lot more
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  next season. I I just I'm it's lazy.
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  Yeah, it's and I can't do it. It's been done.
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  Do it also on Tinosha. I know, but it's just, I don't
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  even have anything to say about it.
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  I I saw that and I was just like, Oh my God, no, just no.
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  I'm not a zombie person anyway. I know that zombies are a big
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  deal to people. Lot of people love the zombie
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  idea. And I'm I'm do it, love it all
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  you want. I I don't.
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  I'm just like, what the fuck? And they still defeated them.
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  Like that's the other thing. Well.
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  God, all of the like, night sister stuff.
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  So like Thrawn is a warlord of zombies and witches.
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  Awesome. Just in time for Halloween,
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  yeah. Yes.
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  But like why? Why bother doing the ceremony
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  with Morgan Elspeth where they give her the sword and like,
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  burn the markings into her face just to have her fucking die
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  like a punk? Like what her character deserve
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  more? She really did like the fight
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  was cool and she is such such a badass like she really.
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  That actress is so talented. But yeah, I I hands down round
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  of applause for for her. I found myself watching her
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  instead of a soca. Oh yeah, no, her all.
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  I was wondering if they had stunt double s, to be honest,
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  but I couldn't tell. It was so good.
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  It was so good. I don't care who did it.
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  It was it was really well done. The fighting was.
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  That was a good bat. That was a good fight.
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  It was fun, but. Like she just died like nothing.
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  And she didn't even like, I don't know.
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  Well, here's I think. I think they're going to bring
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  her back because you can bring a bunch of fucking Stormtroopers
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  back with duct tape. Like, here's my problem.
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  If you can bring the actual Stormtrooper back, why can't you
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  seal the suit with something other than electrical tape?
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  Can't you wave your hand around and seal that crack in that cuz?
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  It's supposed to look Knight's history.
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  It's an aesthetic okay. And I'm sorry, but the gold face
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  What was that? And it was Game of Thrones for
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  anyone who. Yes, it was reminiscent of
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  something in Game of Thrones, which also didn't lead anywhere.
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  Yeah, I I can't believe that it literally was like pointless.
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  Well, I'm assuming it will do something next season, but
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  here's the thing. Every one of these warlords have
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  like a right hand Storm Trooper. Yeah, like we had.
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  What's her name? She was in Game of Thrones.
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  Gwendolyn Christian was. That her name.
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  She was, she was the the. She was in platinum.
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  Yeah, that. About she She fell in a hole and
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  didn't do anything. Yep.
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  Yeah. Bye.
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  Yeah. So I mean like there's always
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  like the side, like you know the the the commander of whatever
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  who takes the orders from the he.
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  Didn't do anything though. Like he I just, I'm sorry.
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  I don't want to be that person who has nothing nice to say, but
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  I I really felt like it was very weak.
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  It was very weak. I'll tell you what wasn't.
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  Here's something I really liked. I had to play it back four times
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  to make sure I heard it, and I think I heard it correctly.
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  Did Thron call Asoka a rodent? Oh, I don't know.
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  I didn't notice that. Oh yeah, I had to play it back.
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  He's like, he says something to the effect.
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  That's when they were about to jump, make the jump.
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  And he's talking to her like his final words.
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  And he's like, perhaps this is the place that a rodent like
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  yourself should remain. And then it was like his mic
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  drop and then they shot off in the hyperspace.
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  Is that what he? Really.
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  I know. He called her a rodent.
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  Oh my goodness. I thought that was savage.
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  I thought it was savage as fuck. That's amazing.
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  Honestly, I did like, I also liked that Asoka was riding that
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  rat horse. I don't know what you want to
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  call it, dog. Yeah thing.
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  Yeah. Made me sad.
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  I'm not what? We're not even talking about it.
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  It made me. Sad, but it's the drawing that
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  Filoni did. It's a famous drawing that's on
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  the Asoka shirts. We finally got to see it, but at
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  least they're being treated nicely.
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  Unlike in Mando, where all the animals are killed because
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  they're animals. Yeah, I you know what?
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  I I was shocked. I'll admit this.
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  I liked Ezra for the first time ever.
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  Ezra wasn't. Bad I I kind of flipped because
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  like in Rebels, I'm I'm not that invested in Rebels.
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  But I liked Sabine. Fine.
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  I could not stand Ezra. I could not stand Sabine in
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  Asoka and I actually quite liked Ezra.
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  That actor was very good. So I don't know what that tells
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  you. Well, the power of live action
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  versus animation. I mean, we all love Hara more in
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  animation. Although I did get a little, I
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  did get a little emotional when her and Ezra final.
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  I was really hoping Jason would show up and he'd be like, whoa,
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  you had a kid with my master, like, hey, But I'm sure that
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  talk is going to come at some point later, I'm assuming.
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  Yeah, because I'm sure Ezra will train Jason if if anything.
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  But. I just like I did.
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  Ezra grew up. That's what we all needed.
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  We needed Ezra to like. Mature and stop being a pain in
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  the ass. Sorry yeah but Sabine however
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  look. The flattest character for me in
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  the entire series was Shin. Sorry shin lovers I I just She
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  looks like a deer in the headlight.
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  Didn't do. Anything.
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  She didn't say anything. And also, and Sabine, I just,
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  I'm like whatever, you know who is more intriguing?
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  The dude who was given lip to Hara in the throne room there
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  with Yes, with our girl. Who's her name?
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  What's her name? Thank you, man.
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  Ma, that guy's a bitch. You know him.
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  And man Masma's husbands are drinking.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, apparently he, you know,
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  those two talks, she's. Apparently somebody very
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  important from something else, but I don't know what that Yeah,
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  yeah, he is, he is. He's the father of one of the of
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  the characters from the resistance animation show.
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  That's right. I never watched that, so I
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  can't, I can't comment further. But he is somebody.
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  He's somebody in a long line of somebody that I don't know.
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  You know what struck me watching that scene is that I was just so
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  grateful that Mon Mothma story is being told in and or and not
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  by these other people. All right.
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  Yeah, no, she's just she's a lovely fixture.
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  We love her. I'm glad that Leo and 3PO got a
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  moment in the sun that was fun and unexpected.
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  And Oh my gosh, Leia saves the day again.
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  Coming in, coming in hot for her sisters in the in the Republic.
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  And I love Chopper. Chopper, chopper.
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  He's swinging his arms and shit and this guy had to be like, yo,
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  calm down, man. I love her.
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  I love him, so it was a great moment.
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  Yeah, Chopper was great. I enjoyed seeing him in live
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  action. That was delightful.
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  Not enough, but delightful. Not enough.
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  And of course, I mean episode six, we got another Anakin
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  moment of him training. He recorded his training.
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  Yeah, that. Doesn't seem like a very Anakin
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  thing to do, but it's in, isn't it?
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  In Tales of the Jedi rebels. Or is it in Rebels?
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  I don't know. I thought we had seen.
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  Oh you're right, it is Rebels. Cuz Ezra finds it.
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  Yeah, in a holocron. Or was it holocron or just
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  something, I think? Or remember, it's not a
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  holocron. Cuz that would be secret, yeah,
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  but he trains her in Tales of the Jedi and we see that.
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  I don't know if it's being recorded.
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  Maybe Obi Wan was the recorder. He's so off camera.
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  Always. Adding footnotes where
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  necessary, yeah. Obi Wan gets no mention of
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  course, because, well, he gave no mention to Asoka and his
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  show, so they're just bitch slapping back.
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  Tit for tat. Fair enough.
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  I was. I was happy to see Anakin all
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  the Anakin was. Hayden Christensen stole the
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  series, as he should. He was delightful.
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  He's getting his day in the sun. How did you feel seeing him in
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  the last shot? I was happy to see him as a
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  force goes, but I don't know what any of it meant, yeah.
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  I mean was that like because she she mentions, Asoka mentions
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  like moving on, so is she moving on from her guilt associated
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  with him and that's why he seemed proud at the end that he
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  released her from the doubt and fear and guilt of what happened
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  to him? I don't know.
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  Was it part of his penance? What did Sabine see?
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  Apparently forest ghost can go to other galaxies, so that's
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  cool. Well, I mean, it's if the Mortis
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  people are there, Anakin should show up there.
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  Yes, he's taken his place as the father, like I.
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  There's just OK. This, to me, is a sign of weak
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  writing, because we have no answers.
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  That's correct. And more questions, Yes, yes.
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  And I was talking to somebody else about this and I really
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  agree that it feels like there's a Mando verse now and this is
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  becoming Marvel where everything you see is here's a teaser for
• 22:59
  what's coming next and we don't actually get a complete story
• 23:03
  and. It's the multiverse, yeah.
• 23:07
  And I'm not here for that. I really am not.
• 23:09
  I'm not a Marvel fan. Like, I'll watch it, but I'm not
• 23:12
  like a Marvel fanatic. And if that's what they're
• 23:14
  turning Star Wars into, that's not good storytelling.
• 23:18
  Like A New Hope. I didn't know it was going to
• 23:21
  get a sequel, so it had to stand on its own.
• 23:23
  And it did. And I feel like, honestly, all
• 23:26
  of the original trilogy you could take out of the trilogy
• 23:29
  and it could stand on its own. I feel like and or can stand on
• 23:33
  its own, even though there's like a bit of a cliffhanger for
• 23:36
  what's coming next. It could stand as a complete
• 23:38
  story, Like, I get where the character began and ended and
• 23:41
  how he would become Rogue One without you feeling in the
• 23:44
  details. But with this stuff, I feel like
• 23:48
  they're sprinkling little shit here and there but not, like,
• 23:52
  really explaining anything. And we're not stupid.
• 23:55
  You and I are smart women. We can fucking understand
• 23:58
  implication as opposed to downright exposition.
• 24:03
  And I don't fucking get it. And I'm not caring enough.
• 24:08
  God, I don't want to get this angry.
• 24:11
  Well, I'll tell you this, as a Marvel fan, I lost interest
• 24:13
  because they did too much of this.
• 24:15
  Yeah, the other person I was talking to is the same.
• 24:19
  It becomes too difficult. It feels like you're being led
• 24:22
  around by the nose, like a donkey with a carrot.
• 24:26
  Go this way. No.
• 24:28
  Now look over here. Now, now we'll look over here.
• 24:30
  And like, oh, don't forget about this over here.
• 24:32
  It gets exhausting. It really does.
• 24:35
  There's a coworker of mine, an original OG Star Wars person,
• 24:40
  who went and saw A New Hope in theater.
• 24:42
  Because he was a teenager, right?
• 24:47
  He was afraid it would go this direction, that it would turn
• 24:50
  into a multiverse. And he said he's out the minute
• 24:53
  it turns into a Marvel type. There's this thread over here
• 24:58
  and this thread over here and this thread over here.
• 24:59
  And maybe they'll tie together, but maybe they won't And
• 25:02
  everything, you know. And and actually I haven't
• 25:07
  talked to him a lot about the Asoka show just because I
• 25:09
  haven't seen him. But I will say that my other
• 25:11
  friend who wasn't a rebels. Watcher or a Clone Wars watcher
• 25:16
  who loved to soak a said it. It landed flat.
• 25:18
  Too many questions, too many questions.
• 25:21
  So this is a person who doesn't have the back story that we have
• 25:25
  and is still left like okay but like dot dot dot you know?
• 25:30
  And and and I like to hear the opinions of those individuals
• 25:33
  because we are brain, you and I, our brains are full of all these
• 25:36
  things, right? And we're thinking about it all
• 25:38
  the time. We're talking about it all the
• 25:39
  time. We're sharing emotions.
• 25:42
  And you know, and then there's the people who are more, more
• 25:45
  simplified, bless them, that they don't have to deal with all
• 25:48
  the details that we do. And if they come away saying
• 25:53
  what was that? And then you know something.
• 25:58
  Something got missed somewhere. People in both areas, people who
• 26:02
  are full of all the information are like, I don't get it.
• 26:05
  And then people who have none of the reference points are like, I
• 26:08
  don't get it. Then I would say not a success.
• 26:11
  I know there are a lot of people who think it was amazing and.
• 26:15
  It was a beautiful show, the visuals, the the way that they
• 26:19
  blended in scenes and and the the the locations, and it didn't
• 26:26
  look cheap. For a lot of the big shots that
• 26:30
  we got, I actually felt like some of the smaller shots looked
• 26:33
  cheap. The.
• 26:34
  Smaller shots were cheap. I felt like watching Star Trek
• 26:38
  sometimes instead. Of a little bit.
• 26:41
  I had some. I had some feels in that
• 26:43
  direction. And I don't mean.
• 26:44
  I don't mean to shit on Star Trek.
• 26:45
  My mother's listening. No, it was a it was a very
• 26:48
  important show. It actually like I will not ever
• 26:52
  shit on Star Trek. The only thing is it has campy
• 26:55
  production on purpose. Like it's just how it is.
• 26:59
  And I felt like I was waiting for Captain Kirk to, like, fly
• 27:02
  through the background with like a rock monster.
• 27:08
  One of those little furry things, the I don't remember.
• 27:12
  Those were my favorites. And now the I want to say
• 27:16
  they're not Weebles. That's Weeble.
• 27:18
  And they wobble, but they don't fall down.
• 27:20
  It's they're like the little, they're like the little furry
• 27:23
  creatures and they make squeaks. They're my favorite.
• 27:25
  My mom's probably like shouting right now, like what the name is
• 27:28
  or, but people who know will will know.
• 27:31
  But yeah, yeah, I feel the middle of the season was the
• 27:35
  strongest. And then it was very intriguing
• 27:39
  and we got all these things going on.
• 27:41
  And then it just was like, I don't know.
• 27:43
  I don't know. Yeah, someone else described it
• 27:46
  as they felt like it was trying to be really deep but wasn't
• 27:51
  landing. It was like, I could see that,
• 27:55
  like they maybe they knew what they were talking about, but
• 27:57
  they weren't really giving it to the audience in a way where we
• 28:00
  could understand what was inside the writer's brain.
• 28:03
  I. Don't know.
• 28:04
  Well, guess what? We said we would revisit the
• 28:07
  Anakin episode when it was all said and done and now we don't
• 28:09
  have to because none of it was explained, none of it was
• 28:12
  answered, right? Yeah, it wasn't contextualized.
• 28:15
  It was basically some sort of threshold moment.
• 28:18
  But it I don't think it was. I don't think it achieved
• 28:23
  success personally. I don't know.
• 28:26
  I was very pleased with seeing all of it.
• 28:29
  I was too. That's that's about where it
• 28:32
  stops. And I hate to even say that.
• 28:34
  I think a lot of people, a lot of people feel that way.
• 28:37
  I think it was beautiful. We were really excited to see
• 28:40
  all the context and like all the Clone Wars stuff.
• 28:43
  That was fucking awesome. But a lot of people I've talked
• 28:46
  to have said like, yeah, it's kind of, like not quite clear on
• 28:51
  the message, like what was the live or die, like what?
• 28:57
  So I don't really know. I have such mixed feelings
• 29:02
  because I really want to like this show.
• 29:05
  And I will say that unlike Mando, which I actively like,
• 29:10
  dislike that show. Please don't strike me down this
• 29:15
  show. I enjoyed watching.
• 29:17
  Like the visuals were great and I enjoyed like there were so
• 29:21
  many moments was like, ooh, like nice sisters.
• 29:25
  What? And like you know that kind of
• 29:26
  yeah, yeah. But then, like you, I kind of
• 29:28
  feel like it just didn't stick. The landing, which, and there
• 29:31
  wasn't enough throughout the show for me to be like, that was
• 29:35
  great. You know, I'm kind of coming
• 29:37
  away feeling like I would watch it again.
• 29:39
  Maybe someday. Yeah, yeah, I it was.
• 29:44
  I like to. Whenever these shows come out, I
• 29:47
  try not to. I try to go into it and enjoy it
• 29:51
  as like Star Wars on TV. Yeah, we got something to watch.
• 29:56
  And then when they get me in it and I start thinking about it.
• 30:00
  And then like we talk about it, we dissect it.
• 30:02
  And then that's where it becomes a problem.
• 30:04
  It's fun to watch. It's great to see.
• 30:07
  It's good to see these characters loved seeing Hayden
• 30:11
  back. I mean, it was beautiful.
• 30:14
  We got new characters, new galaxies, no answers.
• 30:19
  And I have a major problem with that.
• 30:21
  And I know, I know, I know more seasons, whatever.
• 30:24
  But like you have to answer some so that the audience feels.
• 30:29
  Like they got something out of it.
• 30:33
  Like something was achieved, that something came to fruition.
• 30:37
  But I felt like there were so many loose ends as we're wrapped
• 30:42
  up pretty good. He got to go home.
• 30:45
  Boom. Still don't know how Sabine has
• 30:48
  the Force or why. Or we didn't even talk.
• 30:51
  This is a mess. It's a fucking mess.
• 30:53
  I hate it. We never got a clear answer with
• 30:55
  Anakin and Asoka. We have theories.
• 30:57
  We have ideas, no answers. Balin and and Shin and what
• 31:03
  Shin's goal is? Does she want power?
• 31:06
  Does she want to be accepted? I don't know.
• 31:08
  It's all these things where I don't feel like it came to a
• 31:13
  point that I'm satisfied with. And it's going to be two more
• 31:16
  fucking years before we get answers, because every TV show
• 31:19
  takes one to two years to do. And then there's a theory that
• 31:24
  it's all actually leading to a movie.
• 31:28
  So like. I don't have time, honestly.
• 31:32
  Like, who goes to the movies anymore?
• 31:35
  This is why I get annoyed, because what they're doing is
• 31:39
  taking advantage of their fans. Like they're natural.
• 31:42
  It's like and I this sounds so wrong because they just gave us
• 31:46
  a show and it's a soca and Hayden was in it.
• 31:49
  There was Clone Wars, and we got so much.
• 31:51
  But also like we did, where's the fucking story?
• 31:54
  Like, I don't want just big fucking fight scenes and
• 31:59
  lightsabers. Like I also want to feel
• 32:02
  engaged. And I'm not engaged just because
• 32:05
  you say so. You have to like, make me
• 32:10
  engaged with good storytelling, and that's not happening.
• 32:14
  And it's it's not happening with like everything they're putting
• 32:18
  out. And it's really starting to wear
• 32:20
  me down. I'm with you.
• 32:23
  I will watch these things. Yeah, but will I care about
• 32:27
  them? There's a difference?
• 32:28
  Yes, absolutely. Here's the thing.
• 32:32
  I care about all these fucking characters, because you made me
• 32:34
  like them at a different time. And by you, I mean like Felonian
• 32:39
  Company, Disney and Company, whatever.
• 32:41
  Whoever made what and what period.
• 32:44
  But like, I I grew to like these people at one point.
• 32:49
  Please don't make me dislike them, yeah.
• 32:53
  Because you're trying to get us to go to a movie or to buy a
• 32:56
  stuffed loft cat, which I still want.
• 33:00
  I'm not hating. I'm just saying, you know, we
• 33:05
  didn't even talk about the turtle creatures.
• 33:07
  They were adorable. They were cute.
• 33:09
  They were very, they were very cute.
• 33:11
  I liked that. I felt bad for him, of course,
• 33:13
  yes, because you know, George Lucas said.
• 33:15
  Don't be afraid to be cute. Don't be afraid to have fun
• 33:18
  right with the Ewoks and the whole thing.
• 33:20
  So. They took it that and ran with
• 33:22
  it. And I like the turtles.
• 33:23
  They were cute. They were self-sufficient.
• 33:25
  God bless them, they were, they were kind hearted.
• 33:28
  They even had a spot for the dog, wolf, rat thing in the.
• 33:34
  He dropped the window down, he got nervous and both of them
• 33:36
  were in there and I was like, oh God, you know, they're
• 33:39
  resilient. They're they're they're nomadic
• 33:42
  and I love that, you know, I really liked them.
• 33:45
  They were cute. They were cute.
• 33:46
  I felt they had little vests on. They were like they were like
• 33:50
  the. Colonial Like they were so
• 33:54
  adorable. They've reminded me so much of
• 33:56
  the Turtle people from Felucia that we talked about.
• 33:59
  Before, but without the the shell, yes.
• 34:02
  These these ones had shells like the Nomad had.
• 34:05
  It was very cute. I liked that a lot.
• 34:08
  The definition of a self-sufficient, well they were
• 34:12
  kind of in between like the lean the the what do they call the
• 34:15
  God? I never can the Luhrmann.
• 34:18
  Lermin. Me.
• 34:18
  I want to say lemurs, because that's what they are, but
• 34:21
  they're Lermin. They're like somewhere between
• 34:24
  the Felucia turtles and the lermin in like, their habitat
• 34:29
  and stuff. So it's totally Foloni shit.
• 34:31
  But like, I enjoyed them. That, like, Ezra's been hanging
• 34:34
  out with a bunch of turtles for a couple of years, 10 years.
• 34:39
  Yeah, he hasn't shaved. He's he's essentially a
• 34:43
  bohemian, you know? Yeah, if Obi Wan is Jesus, Ezra
• 34:51
  is Moses. And I don't mean that SAC
• 34:54
  religious. I just mean you.
• 34:55
  If you put two those two pictures up in a in a in a
• 34:58
  picture frame, yeah, Grandma's not gonna know.
• 35:00
  And no, I mean he his even his vestments look very similar to
• 35:04
  what Moses is wearing in his head commandments.
• 35:07
  So OK, so Speaking of Ezra, how did you like the scene where he
• 35:12
  builds the lightsaber? I thought it was fine.
• 35:16
  I liked the the the Ode to Kanan.
• 35:18
  Yeah, I thought that was neat. And I liked that it was no
• 35:23
  longer green, it was blue. His color changed.
• 35:25
  Yeah, that was kind of interesting.
• 35:27
  Yeah, I liked and I liked how Hu Yang was talking about Kanan.
• 35:32
  Well, Hu Yang has has parts from decades ago and knowledge from
• 35:38
  centuries ago. He's a very, he's helpful.
• 35:41
  I love that Troy Spot. He's awesome.
• 35:43
  I do too. I'm glad he survived the Purge.
• 35:46
  Yeah. David Tennant could be my Droid
• 35:47
  any day. No, I like.
• 35:51
  I like the Saber. It was nice.
• 35:54
  I was trying to figure out how they were going to market it.
• 35:57
  If it looks just like Canaan's, like is Canaan's.
• 36:03
  It was blue. OK, Yeah.
• 36:05
  So they're going to look the same.
• 36:07
  How will they sell it? I'm sure they'll find a way.
• 36:11
  Where there's a Disney, there's a way.
• 36:14
  Yes. So yeah, final thoughts on the
• 36:24
  show, we've come full circle. We saw the preview and all that
• 36:28
  in London at Celebration and now we're sitting here at the end of
• 36:34
  the first season. And yeah, final thoughts were
• 36:40
  the IT is good. Let's not talk about anymore.
• 36:47
  No, I'm just kidding. I mean, it was, it was good.
• 36:50
  I just don't want to, like say anything.
• 36:53
  Yeah, like I enjoyed it. I will say that in typical
• 36:56
  Felony fashion, the whole first season could have been like one
• 37:00
  episode and then they could have told the story.
• 37:04
  We did not get enough Thron. Thron should have entered the
• 37:07
  scene. The first two episodes of Asoka
• 37:09
  could have been one, and we could have gotten another
• 37:12
  episode. Of Thron and I would have been
• 37:15
  much happier, but as an Anakin fan I couldn't be more pleased
• 37:22
  and as as a Clone Wars Rebels watcher Asoka lover, it was
• 37:30
  fine. Nothing spectacular.
• 37:34
  I'm a little mad about to being having the force that changes.
• 37:38
  I don't like it, The whole definition of what the Force is
• 37:41
  and what a Jedi is, and I don't like that at all.
• 37:45
  Well, we we talked about she's too old to train.
• 37:48
  If you go off of the rules that were set very strictly for
• 37:51
  Anakin's case, yeah. And for any of the Jedi from the
• 37:54
  Republic era, yeah. So either like they're playing
• 37:58
  with fire, giving her the Force, or all that other stuff was just
• 38:03
  bullshit. So we'll see, I guess.
• 38:06
  I'm sure she's not gonna use the Force for bad.
• 38:09
  I'm sure she's gonna be a Jedi and all you have to do is
• 38:12
  practice and you'll be fine. If you are close to dying, you
• 38:17
  can use the force to save yourself, yeah?
• 38:21
  Like she was being choked out or something.
• 38:24
  And that's when the lightsaber came to her.
• 38:26
  Apparently that's all it takes. Is too easy, Too easy, Sorry.
• 38:30
  A lot of people said that about the show in general.
• 38:33
  Like, all of it was too easy. It all just kind of like up, up,
• 38:36
  up, up. There you go.
• 38:37
  No, no, real. The only obstacles were fighting
• 38:41
  people who were standing between you and the object you wanted,
• 38:44
  and you fought them and got the object and then the plot moved
• 38:47
  on. Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:50
  It was weak. I would say in general, the
• 38:52
  storytelling was very weak. The visuals were very beautiful.
• 38:56
  The music was fucking amazing. Wow.
• 39:00
  We haven't even talked about it. We gave it credit in previous
• 39:03
  episodes, but there's nothing bad to say about the music.
• 39:05
  Yeah, honestly, we could do an episode on Kevin Conner because
• 39:08
  he did all of Clone Wars. I don't know if he did rebels,
• 39:11
  but he did. Well, we, we should do an
• 39:14
  episode on him just because he deserves it.
• 39:17
  Yeah, because he's fucking incredible.
• 39:19
  And we saw him. We did.
• 39:21
  We did. Yay, Maybe we should talk.
• 39:24
  About what? Oh, if we do, Kevin Conner, we
• 39:27
  have to do. The OG?
• 39:30
  What's his name? John Williams.
• 39:32
  John Williams, Yeah. And I'd really, if we're going
• 39:35
  to do that, I'd like to do Nicholas Purcell also, who did
• 39:37
  and or cuz that. Means OK, we'll do a whole music
• 39:39
  episode. That'd be fun.
• 39:42
  OK, well, anyway, we'll leave you hanging just like the Asoka
• 39:46
  show did. See you next time.
• 39:50
  Just kidding. I didn't say that.
• 39:53
  Yeah, we can. That's where the music comes in.
• 39:56
  OK. Hear the music.
• 40:02
  So we gave you our thoughts. It's time for you to give us
• 40:05
  yours. What did you think of the finale
• 40:09
  of the first season of Asoka? Did you think it stuck the
• 40:11
  landing and it's okay if you did?
• 40:13
  We're here for all answers. We're here for Yes, Nos and
• 40:16
  everything in between. So let us know your thoughts.
• 40:18
  We'd love to hear it. Maybe you saw something we
• 40:20
  missed. Next week we're going back to
• 40:25
  Obi One. It's been far, too.
• 40:26
  Long. Far too long.
• 40:29
  We are going to pick our top three favorites.
• 40:31
  Snarky Obi One Moments from The Clone Wars.
• 40:34
  We're not going to tell each other we're right.
• 40:35
  We're just going to show up. No.
• 40:36
  OK, Yep. We're going to show up with
• 40:40
  three snarky bits. We'll probably have an overlap.
• 40:44
  How do you even pick three? Yeah, good point.
• 40:47
  Every line is a snarky comment. Seriously.
• 40:50
  Well, this will. This will be a challenge.
• 40:52
  A fun challenge, yes. So I'm looking forward to going
• 40:54
  back to Obi Wan and Clone Wars and join us back here.
• 40:57
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• 41:02
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• 41:04
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