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Pre Game for Black Panther 2 : Wakanda Forever · WDYM What Do You Mean?

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• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Coming out November 11th.
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  SPEAKER_00: And basically, what I'm going to do in this episode is we're going to do a brief history of what's going on in the MCU when it comes to the Black Panther, what has been proposed, what's going to happen in Black Panther 2, and then give a little um idea of how it should go according to this, according to the WDYM.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take that down, write it down.
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  SPEAKER_00: The WDYM is saying this is how Black Panther 2 will kind of forever should go.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: But first, let's go ahead and set the mood right and play some music.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, quick history of the MCU's version of the Black Panther.
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  SPEAKER_00: It all started back when uh Captain America Civil War came out and T'Chaka, T'Challa, the Black Panther's father, was killed in the um in the Nat movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: From there, we, you know, as things go on and go to actual Black Panther, um, we get the scene where T'Challa is challenged by his cousin Eric, Killmonger, and um he is thrown off the cliff, led to believe that guess what?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: He died.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: We fast forward to Avengers Finity War.
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  SPEAKER_00: We get Thanos' snap, and guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Black Panther has died again.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in three movies, we had the Black Panther die three times.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: But wait, we have Wokanda Forever, where allegedly T'Challa dies again.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: And this is because of the passing of the actor Chadwick Bozeman, who died two years ago.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Marvel thinks it's a good idea to kill a character in a fictional world based on the real-life events of Chadwick Bozeman.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I've talked about this briefly with my uh with my nephew.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I firmly believe that this role should have been recasted just based on what we've seen in the superhero genre movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prime example, we've had three Spider-Mans all in one movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've had numerous Batmans, we've had numerous Supermans, we've had two War Machines, we've had two Hulks, we got two uh Thunderbolt Rawls's which the actor who played Thunderbolt Ross, he recently died.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: William Hurt, he died.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now allegedly they're having William or um Harrison Ford play Thunderbolt Ross in a death.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're you know, Marvel's not being consistent with what they're saying, whatever the case may be.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: But the recast idea is nothing new to superhero genre movies, and so in Wakanda Forever, T'Challa's pose to die based on the events of real life, and wholeheartedly, I completely disagree with that because that's not one, that's not the standard, and two, it's it is difficult.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie, the decision to do is difficult, but precedence matters in my book that hey you you this is what we've done, you can't just do this because of the situation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, that being said, again, the previews for Black Panther 2 shows somebody new in the uh in a new Black Panther suit.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a uh mural with T'Challa's face on it, and apparently there's a funeral with everybody dressed in white to um signify that something has happened.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the thing is that when we go to these movies and watch a movie, what are we doing?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to escape reality for two hours, two and a half hours, just to enjoy a movie.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I haven't seen the movie, I haven't seen previews, I haven't I've avoided spoilers as of November 6th, we're going to see a superhero allegedly pass away for the fourth time, or maybe third, third time, and it's just that's too much.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know about you, but when it comes to superhero movies, they are in joy for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a joy for me to see Toby McGuire and Spider-Man.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an absolute joy for me to see Chris Evans play Captain America, it's a joy for me to see uh Chadwick Bozeman play Black Panther, but the s the the reason is even bigger than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's representation that I like.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like seeing the Black Panther as a superhero that many people can celebrate.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what to me Black Panthers represent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the idea is that that he dies, or they're gonna show they're gonna show something to that nature of his death, allegedly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is not in my opinion, again, this is my opinion, WDYM thing, is that um they shouldn't do that.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: This I mean I would go as far as beat the mess out of Wakanda for what has happened.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: When you last left off with Black Panther, we noticed that um T'Challa did open the doors for the world to have the resources of Wakanda, which is their vibranium, right?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: So their vibranium is uh um a source of power for Wakanda, and I'm assuming that's what's gonna start the movie conflict, that someone's gonna get that vibranium because they want it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a n it's a resource that Waconda has what makes them one of the most uh powerful nations in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: But without their protector, the Black Panther, they're gonna struggle, which is why I think the name of the movie, Wakanda Forever, is vital.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because, in my opinion, this is what's gonna happen.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you've seen the preview, you should know that Namor, who is a mutant in the Marvel, in the Marvel comic books, his people are connected to Wakanda.
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  SPEAKER_00: For what, I don't know yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they're gonna be they're gonna be upset for some reason at Wakanda at the lowest point, at one of the lowest points Wakanda has been, because they don't have a king, and you heard um Queen Ramonda, you hear her in the preview say she has lost everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the question is what would you do?
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  SPEAKER_00: If you had the pen and pad and you were the director, if you were Ryan Kugler, what would you do?
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  SPEAKER_00: In this case, hear me out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I would do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is after the blip, so everybody comes back and T'Challa's on some sort of mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some sort of mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: A mission impossible for him to survive, right?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just say him he's with somebody and signal lost, the Black Panther suit is no way they can find where he's at, and he's missing.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because you don't, no matter what you do, in order to make your your series, your movie, your TV show, your video game survive, you never kill off your main character.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just taking a second for that.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Sonic.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sonic, I don't think Sonic's been in every Sonic game.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have a s uh a uh a video game called Knuckles.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic's Tails and Knuckles, but there's never been a Sonic game without Sonic in it, right?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing with Mario.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: You have Luigi, but Super Mario, Mario is always in the title.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Here's another thing.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: If you remember Mass Effect, Mass Effect killed off its main character, and that franchise has been struggling to get back on board since that happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't kill your main character.
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  SPEAKER_00: Period.
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  SPEAKER_00: Period.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then and then correct me if I'm wrong, T'Challa has never died in the comics.
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  SPEAKER_00: So back to the original plot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh back to the WDM version of the plot.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: T'Challa goes missing and they think he is dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Wakanda gets beat down by outsiders, Namor, and then at the end, you're gonna find out that Doctor Doom is behind this in some fashion, some way, because based on the comics, Doctor Doom came back and successfully achieved getting Vibronium from Wakanda.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So at that point, you got his sister, Shiri, who in the comics took the mantle of Black Panther.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's the difference between the comics and the MCU version, Siri has not been a physical person.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: In the comic books, she's very combative, trained, so to speak.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: In the MCU version, she seems very smart, very witty.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I think she does take the mantle, but she doesn't keep the mantle.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh Nakia I think she should be Black Panther because it makes sense for her in the MCU version for her to take the mantle over.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And again, the whole movie's a complete beatdown of Wakanda.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end, at the end of the movie, T'Challa arises, recasted, and brings Wakanda together, which makes the t makes the title of the movie Wakanda Forever seem substantiated.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like hey, Wakanda is together forever, and T'Challa, their king, rises at the end, and that sets up the next one with a you know, we see who it is, the oh no, we don't even have to see who it is.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: We just see his suit, his mask, and we don't know who it is till the next movie, uh, Black Panther 3.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how you do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: In my book.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's gonna happen?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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  SPEAKER_00: But I mean they've set they set us up to be emotional, crying.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: They already played um excuse me, No Woman, no cry.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: That just sets you the way it the way it sounds, it just sets you up for like it's gonna be emotional.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the other song by Rihanna, Lift Me Up.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's super emotional.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: You you hear all these songs, you just go, I'm just going in there with a handkerchief to a movie when I use movies to escape from reality where I'm gonna celebrate the death of a superhero.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is now who knows what's gonna happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who knows what's gonna happen?
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, this is the pregame.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna come back and do a post-game to figure out what exactly happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: If any of the predictions, any of my predictions came came true.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's do a real quick recap.
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  SPEAKER_00: One, they're gonna show T'Challa missing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two, they're gonna beat the crap out of Wakanda.
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  SPEAKER_00: Three, Surrey will be the Black Panther for a while, but I think Nikia is gonna be the Black Panther going forward.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: Four, Doctor Doom will have some part of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And five, T'Challa will return.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we don't know who the actor is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Full suit, well, conda wherever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Screams it, so everybody gets motivated for the third part and leave people salivating for more.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that way you honor Chadwick Bowser in the movie, and at the end of the movie, the new Black Panther rises.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: A 616 version of the Black Panther, not some alternate universe, not some um whatever you call it, um, uh Black Panther from another universe.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're not having that.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're having T'Challa 616, yes, it's gonna look different, grow up.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: If Rhody can be different actors, if the Hulk can be different actors, you can handle someone else taking the role, taking the mantle, and moving on.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Again, that's the that's my take on it.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: That is that is that is it.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: That is what I think was going to go on.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh just the pregame.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: We'll check the post-game here in a little bit, and hopefully the day after, but I'm probably gonna watch this a couple times.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh, that's what I'm looking forward to.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: So let's uh we're gonna end this one here on a pregame, and then we're gonna come back on the postgame to check it out.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: But go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you get a chance, make sure you go see it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Go see Black Panther 2, November 11th, 12th, 13th.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Come back on the WDYM so we can talk about the postgame.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've been your host, Michael Gillespie.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm out.