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Bonus Episode: Killer Concert Films · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we are discussing killer concert films. In the last Waltz,
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Speaker 1: we're winding back with Merle Haggard Part one and previewing
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Speaker 1: next week's episode our Merle Haggard Part two story. And
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Speaker 1: then we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as
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Speaker 1: always a whole lot of This is the podcast for
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Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know
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Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. Happy Thanksgiving discos. Are you watching
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Speaker 1: the last Waltz this evening after your meal, before you're leftovers?
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Speaker 2: When you do it?
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Speaker 1: What's your ritual? I'm watching it. It's been a tradition
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Speaker 1: of mine for at least a decade, and each year
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Speaker 1: it never fails. I am leveled by how great the
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Speaker 1: performances are in this concert film. As concert films go,
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Speaker 1: you know where I stand. This is my favorite. I
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Speaker 1: think it's because the band, who in this case are
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Speaker 1: also the house band, are at the peak of their
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Speaker 1: powers musically. That's one reason. In most concerts with this
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Speaker 1: kind of variety, a bunch of different artists performing, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think your average rock and roll Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: induction ceremony, that sort of thing, you don't get this
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Speaker 1: type of consistency in the performance. And well, in concert
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Speaker 1: films that are solely focused on one artist, you don't
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Speaker 1: get the variety. But here you kind of get everything
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Speaker 1: because of the band at the core the spine of everything,
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Speaker 1: both musically and from a storytelling perspective. And it's variety.
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Speaker 1: You know, isn't variety what Thanksgiving is all about? So
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Speaker 1: thematically this makes sense as well. Here's what I mean, actually,
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Speaker 1: you know, variety is not what Thanksgiving is all about.
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Speaker 1: Gratitude is what Thanksgiving is all about, of course, but
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Speaker 1: variety is sort of what Thanksgiving dinner is about anyways,
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Speaker 1: all those sides. You got your mash potatoes, your stuffing,
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Speaker 1: the squash, the broccoli Jennifer, the spenacopia, the cranberry sauce,
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Speaker 1: of stuff in the can. Of course, so much variety
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Speaker 1: in you know, that's what the Last Waltz delivers. You
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Speaker 1: get your mashed potatoes with Ronnie Hawkins, and you're stuffing
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Speaker 1: with Doctor John, your squash with Van Morrison, your broccoli
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Speaker 1: Jennifer with Joni Mitchell. You're sped a cocao with Bob
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Speaker 1: Dylan and your cranberry sauce and a can with Neil Diamond.
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Speaker 1: What am I talking about? I have no idea.
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Speaker 3: Who cares?
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Speaker 1: It's Thanksgiving, all right. My favorite performance from the Last Waltz,
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Speaker 1: aside from every moment Levon Helm is singing into the
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Speaker 1: microphone and holding it down on the kit, is the
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Speaker 1: Muddy Waters performance. It is just incredible. It's a full
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Speaker 1: grown man right there. And speaking of thanksgiving and gratitude,
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Speaker 1: you can see the gratitude on Robbie Robertson's face during
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Speaker 1: Mannish Boy with Muddy Waters up there on stage, and
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Speaker 1: I believe you can actually hear it in the music.
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Speaker 1: Part of what makes The Last Waltz so satisfying to
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Speaker 1: watch each year, it's not just the music, it's the story,
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Speaker 1: the myth. The Last Waltz is so much more than
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Speaker 1: a concert, so much more than a random show on
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Speaker 1: an artist's tour, so much more than you know, something
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Speaker 1: that just happened when the cameras and mics were set
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Speaker 1: up in just the right way, or in so much
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Speaker 1: more than a concert contrived by the artists to sell records.
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Speaker 1: The Last Waltz is pure myth. You're watching the band
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Speaker 1: play and they are so good, and throughout the entire
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Speaker 1: movie you're asking yourself, why in God's name are they
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Speaker 1: breaking up? Why is this their last show? That tension
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Speaker 1: undergirds the entire concert. It's it's incredible counterpoints storytelling delivered
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Speaker 1: by the most rock and roll of film directors, master storyteller,
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Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese. No other film has this type of subtext.
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Speaker 1: Not to my eyes anyways, I almost said not to
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Speaker 1: my years. And the other thing that the Last Waltz
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Speaker 1: has that most other concert films don't have is stakes.
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Speaker 1: You can see it in Robbie's eyes in the interview
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Speaker 1: sections of the film. He's a dead man. He's dying.
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Speaker 1: The road is killing him. It's either the road or
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Speaker 1: all that cocaine that he's ripping through at night with Scorsese.
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Speaker 1: But Robbie knows that if he doesn't get off the road,
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Speaker 1: the road is going to kill him. And the other
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Speaker 1: guys in the band, eh, they don't necessarily agree despite
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Speaker 1: what they're saying, or how they're acting or how they're
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Speaker 1: being directed. They're just going along for the ride following Robbie,
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Speaker 1: and that tension only adds to the DRUMA. Of course,
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Speaker 1: a lot of this isn't evident on first watch. Upon
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Speaker 1: first watch, you're just captivated by the music, blown away
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Speaker 1: by the personalities in the band. You're like, wait, why
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Speaker 1: didn't anyone tell me Rick Danko, this is as cool
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Speaker 1: as Robert Nero mean streets And what the fuck is
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Speaker 1: who is Richard May? Wow? What's out? This guy's got
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Speaker 1: the sweetest soul ever. And Garth Hudson is the oldest
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Speaker 1: looking young dude I've ever seen in my life, and
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Speaker 1: you know, as anyone in the history of rock and
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Speaker 1: roll ever had more feel than Leave on Helm. It's
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Speaker 1: just incredible. And I do you know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it's it was subliminally transferred to me as a
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Speaker 1: young person watching this film, but I like to think
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Speaker 1: that I felt that gratitude, just the gratitude to be
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Speaker 1: able to watch this movie, to watch this band, to
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Speaker 1: feel like I had been let in on a secret gratitude.
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Speaker 1: It's the undercurrent of the Last Waltz. The concert performed
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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving Eve nineteen seventy seven, and like I said,
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Speaker 1: you can see it and you can hear it in
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Speaker 1: the performance. The band understands their place in rock and
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Speaker 1: roll and pop music history. When they're making this incredible document,
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Speaker 1: they are right up there with the giants of the day.
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Speaker 1: They're up there on stage with living icons like their
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Speaker 1: friend Bob Dylan and Eric Clapton, and they're standing tall,
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Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with the giants, and not for a
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Speaker 1: second the sense that anything is being taken for granted.
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Speaker 1: We should all be so lucky to find some sense
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Speaker 1: of that in our vocation, in our work, in our art,
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Speaker 1: in our day to day life. It's so important, and
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Speaker 1: it's up there for everybody to see on the screen
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Speaker 1: in this movie that I know a bunch of you
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Speaker 1: are gonna be watching tonight, that I'm watching tonight. It's
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Speaker 1: a powerful lesson one again that we should all remember.
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Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out at this point that you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for a lot of things in my life,
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Speaker 1: Grateful especially for you guys out there listening and engaging
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Speaker 1: with me and Zeth and Matt and everyone else at
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Speaker 1: Double Elvis every week we're making this content for you, guys.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you so much. I hope you're having an awesome
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving with your family. I hope you're getting some time
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Speaker 1: to watch The Last Waltz, one of the greatest, if
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Speaker 1: not the greatest, concert film of all time. Zeth and
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Speaker 1: I will be going through a pretty substantial list of
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Speaker 1: great concert films, our favorites, some critics favorites, and some
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Speaker 1: overlooked gems in the exclusive section of this after party.
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Speaker 1: this short break and we're gonna hear from you guys.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. I'm going to dig
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Speaker 1: into some more emails, more than I normally do here.
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Speaker 1: I want to give you guys a chance to be
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Speaker 1: heard here. This one comes from Rick Martinez. Hey there,
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Speaker 1: love the podcast. I would say it's storytelling at its best.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ricky. But these stories are real, so enthralling,
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Speaker 1: and you can't wait for the next sentence. I've always
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Speaker 1: thought the story of Jacko Pastorius would be great with
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Speaker 1: your format. Keep up the awesome work. You're absolutely right, Rick.
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Speaker 1: We've had Jocko on the on the board for a
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Speaker 1: while and I think I think it might be on
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Speaker 1: the schedule for next year. This is one of those
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Speaker 1: stories that I know just.
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Speaker 3: A little about.
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Speaker 1: I want to know more, and I'm very intrigued and
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to learn more about Jocko in this story.
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Speaker 1: So Rick, We're gonna have that for you at some point.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you writing in. All right, let's go to this
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Speaker 1: email from Pip. Pip writs and Hey, Jake, Aphex Twin
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Speaker 1: and outside with the Stars for music when I'm high,
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Speaker 1: fucking excellent question. Looking forward to the answers, Pip says
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Speaker 1: I didn't use my phone number. I'm in Australia. There
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Speaker 1: we go. Pip also says I'm very lazy. But then
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Speaker 1: you know, Pip, you say you're lazy, but then you
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Speaker 1: said the second email as well, So you said you
9:57
Speaker 1: know one more song when I'm Stoned at the bottom
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Speaker 1: of every Thing by Bright Eyes. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: I know that song, and I don't know much about
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Speaker 1: Aphex Twin as well, so appreciate that. Come to doing
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Speaker 1: a grab bag here, guys, I'm not staying on topic.
10:11
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna blast through your emails. April Hershey writes
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Speaker 1: in How Music Heals and Triggers Jake, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: respond to your prompt from this past week regarding how
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Speaker 1: music is therapeutic but may also be a trigger. My
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Speaker 1: story is about both being true. To start, I need
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Speaker 1: to introduce my late husband, Chris. He passed away at
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Speaker 1: age forty nine in twenty twenty four. Chris loved everything
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Speaker 1: that reminded him of his childhood and youth, especially music.
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Speaker 1: His favorites were punk, new wave, in eighties rock. Chris's
10:40
Speaker 1: prize possession was his twenty fifteen jeep Wrangler, where his
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Speaker 1: serious XM channels were all of the above. One of
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Speaker 1: our favorite things to do together was to throw our
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Speaker 1: beloved dog Charlotte in the back of the jeep, roll
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Speaker 1: down the windows, and take off for parks, breweries, hikes
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Speaker 1: while listening to our favorite tunes. After his death, I
10:56
Speaker 1: found that any time I took the jeep out and
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Speaker 1: that music would come on, I would sob body racking
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Speaker 1: sobs whilst trying to drive. This was definitely one of
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Speaker 1: those triggers that they tell you about in grief, and
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Speaker 1: I could choose to avoid it by not driving the
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Speaker 1: jeep and turning on the radio, or I could try
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Speaker 1: to find joy in it. It's been almost two years
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Speaker 1: since he passed, and I can now report that I'm
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Speaker 1: not sobbing every time I drive the jeep and Jawbreaker
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Speaker 1: or Pet Shop Boys come on, But it still happens.
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Speaker 1: Driving the jeep and listening to our favorite music was
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Speaker 1: and is fun and allows me to feel closer to him,
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Speaker 1: but it also makes me sad that he's in here
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Speaker 1: with Charlotte and I. As we hit the road to
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Speaker 1: Asheville for the weekend, I'm grateful that I have so
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Speaker 1: many of his favorites as constant reminders and the happy
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Speaker 1: memories those songs evoke. But grief is a cruel emotion
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Speaker 1: that can turn great music into sadness and tears. Sincerely, April, April,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for your loss. This email is heavy,
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you sent it into us, and I
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Speaker 1: can completely relate. And you know, the only way they
11:58
Speaker 1: say it's a cliche, but the only way to get
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Speaker 1: through grief is to go right through it. And it's
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Speaker 1: absolutely true. You can't avoid it. And I think your
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Speaker 1: method here, or your process, whatever you want to call it,
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Speaker 1: is the right one. It's one that I've certainly used
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Speaker 1: in my past and dealing with grief. And I have
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Speaker 1: absolutely used music myself, particularly writing about music, as a
12:21
Speaker 1: way to kind of find my way through these really
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Speaker 1: really complex feelings. April, appreciate your message. I hope you
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Speaker 1: and Charlotte are doing well. Right back. Let us know
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Speaker 1: what you're listening to these days. I hope you're having
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Speaker 1: a good Thanksgiving, April. All right, let's keep going here.
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Speaker 1: Do a couple more while I got you, guys paying attention.
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Speaker 1: Tiffany Scherer writes in Hey, I've been listening to the
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Speaker 1: podcast for two to three years now, and I love
12:45
Speaker 1: everything about it. I've learned so much about popular music
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Speaker 1: and new things about new musicians that were also new
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Speaker 1: to me. I love the concept, I love the way. Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you love it. I love it. I love that you
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Speaker 1: love it. Thank you appreciate it. You've got some cool
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Speaker 1: recommendations here for show future episode, Tiffany, So I just
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Speaker 1: want to read these here. Appreciate the praise, not trying
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Speaker 1: to be uh, not trying to not be grateful, just
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Speaker 1: you know, appreciate it. Okay, let's see here. Number one.
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Speaker 1: Your first recommendation here, Tiffany, Wendy Williams. You say, I
13:16
Speaker 1: know she's not directly a musician, but I think her
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Speaker 1: story and association with the music industry qualify her. I agree.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think the story is
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Speaker 1: pretty nuts and Wendy's super interesting, and I think that
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Speaker 1: this is something we might get into your next wreck.
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Speaker 1: Here is a great one. Bobby Womack. You're going to say,
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Speaker 1: I knew a little bit about the drama between him
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Speaker 1: and Sam Cook. The story was just brought back to
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Speaker 1: my attention, and my job literally hit the floor at
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Speaker 1: the scandal of his relationship with Sam Cook's wife and daughter,
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Speaker 1: him wearing Sam Cook's suit to the wedding with his
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Speaker 1: former mentor's wife. I know it's fucked up when I
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Speaker 1: read this. When I was doing the Sam Cook research,
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Speaker 1: which I think Sam Cook was episode three Disgraceland, and man,
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Speaker 1: that was a tough episode to find my way through
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Speaker 1: in the early days because for many reasons, there's the
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Speaker 1: you know, who killed Sam Cook thing, and there are
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Speaker 1: all these conspiracy theories and I don't believe in any
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Speaker 1: of them, and most people do. That's the problem. I
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Speaker 1: believe that Sam Cook behaved in a really horrible way,
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Speaker 1: and you know, a woman defended herself and he was
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Speaker 1: shot and killed. And I know that's not a sexy answer,
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Speaker 1: but that's my conclusion after the research. The other big
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Speaker 1: thing in the research that I came upon, though, was
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Speaker 1: this Bobby Womack story, which was little known and is
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Speaker 1: really tough to tell as well, because people love Bobby Womac.
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Speaker 1: It just looks so bad. The optics are so so, so,
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Speaker 1: so bad. And I do think there's a Bobby Womack
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Speaker 1: story there. I don't know that it could be entirely
14:53
Speaker 1: about this Sam Cook piece, because how do you do
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Speaker 1: that without painting him as a complete and total fucking monster.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure there's some interesting stuff from
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Speaker 1: Bobby Womack's early days coming up and the circuit he
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Speaker 1: was playing on and all that that gets kind of
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Speaker 1: crimey and grimey. That'll lead us into a Sam Cook
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Speaker 1: story or maybe you know I've been doing these. We've
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Speaker 1: been doing more video production here sort of in the background,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to do a new version, video version
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Speaker 1: of the Sam Cook story. Maybe I'll find a way
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Speaker 1: to weave Bobby Womac into that a little more fully.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Tiffany, thanks for writing in Lee. Leonard Wright said, Hey,
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Speaker 1: question of the week, Jacob's Lee in the four one
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Speaker 1: two Dude, what happened with your phone number? I get
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Speaker 1: a weird Google voice message. Anyway, my number one rock record,
15:37
Speaker 1: my Desert Island disc, has to be Songs for the
15:40
Speaker 1: Deaf by Queens of the Stone Age. Number two would
15:42
Speaker 1: be Paranoid by Sabbath, but Songs for the Deaf has everything.
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Speaker 1: It's a masterpiece in my opinion. Thanks to my friend
15:47
Speaker 1: and Rock a Rolla. Songs for the Deaf is fantastic,
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Speaker 1: paranoid by Sabbath, though I actually go Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath,
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Speaker 1: just that intro. I have a distinct memory of being
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Speaker 1: high out of my mind in Detroit and it was
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Speaker 1: storming out. We're driving and we're smoking a lot of hash,
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Speaker 1: and that that song was on the little moody kind
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Speaker 1: of like rain in the beginning. Oh, it's just awesome.
16:19
Speaker 1: The thunder was perfect. That was fun. Mike Viola, What's up? Figs?
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Speaker 1: FIGS Tour two thousand and three? A long time ago?
16:27
Speaker 1: Another life. All right, it's a holiday weekend, so I'm
16:30
Speaker 1: just gonna keep rocking here. I want to read this.
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Speaker 1: This is from Brian Stone on Patreon rights and hey,
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Speaker 1: heard Brian Stone was a piece of shit manager who
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Speaker 1: did Doctor John wrong. To be clear, I am not
16:52
Speaker 1: that Brian Stone. However, it may explain the cold welcome
16:56
Speaker 1: I received while working at Doctor John show at a
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17:04
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Speaker 1: doctor John when he came out for soundcheck, I have
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Speaker 1: my name and he went blank. And now it all clicks.
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Speaker 1: He must have wanted to kill me on my name alone.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely at the wrong time, but in the right place.
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Speaker 1: Way to introduce yourself in the chat man, Okay, Mike
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Speaker 1: I was thinking an episode of Elliott Smith would be interesting.
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Speaker 1: Elliott was a musical genius. In the tragic way he
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Speaker 1: died was awful. His music is important, and a swirl
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Speaker 1: of controversy surrounding his untimely death exists. Thank you well, Andrew.
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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about this a couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: ago in the exclusive section of the after Parties At
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Speaker 1: the night we did a pretty deep dive and well
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Speaker 1: we kind of scratched the surface in our conversation in
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Speaker 1: the after party, and we decided we wanted to tell
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Speaker 1: this story. Okay. Then I went into the research as
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Speaker 1: though I was going to write the story, and it's
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Speaker 1: this seldom happens to me, man, I cannot get to
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Speaker 1: the truth of this. I don't know what the truth is,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know how to tell the story. And
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Speaker 1: it's really frustrating because there's a lot of people out
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Speaker 1: there who were friends with Elliott Smith, and you know,
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Speaker 1: they're relatively my age, a little bit older, and you
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Speaker 1: want to be respectful to his memory, to his legacy.
21:02
Speaker 1: It just feels too raw. It feels too soon, and
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Speaker 1: it feels too murky, and I just cannot get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of it. And I, after researching it for
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Speaker 1: a week, I also felt completely gross and disgusting and depressed,
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Speaker 1: and I just decided. I called Zeth and I was like, dude,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I want to do this. I just
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Speaker 1: don't think I want to do it, not right now, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: perhaps another time in the future for mister Elliott Smith.
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Speaker 1: into the Christmas season after Thanksgiving with our Merle Haggard episode,
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Speaker 1: and then next week the next new full episode that
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Speaker 1: we're doing is part two of our Merle Haggard story,
21:56
Speaker 1: which is fucking bananas. Here's the title, Surviving Chris Miss,
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Speaker 1: Cosmic American Aliens and Cocaine Clarity. Merle got weird the
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Speaker 1: older he got. He got weird in the best possible way,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear all about it. And when you're listening,
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Speaker 1: you know, Merle has a voice that to me is
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Speaker 1: just it just stops me in my tracks and it
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Speaker 1: you're about to hear something incredible. So just you know,
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Speaker 1: focus on this right now. That's how powerful that dude's
22:29
Speaker 1: voice is. He might be my I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: can't decide. Is it is it Merle or is it
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Speaker 1: is it George Jones. They both sing in a way
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Speaker 1: that is it's like listening to Jimmy Hendrix or Robert
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Speaker 1: Johnson play guitar. You're like, I don't, I don't. I
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Speaker 1: have such a deep appreciation for this, and I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like when Jimmy Hendricks is playing blues.
22:50
Speaker 1: It's so deceptively simple, and I don't understand how he's
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Speaker 1: doing it. I really don't. Anyhow, I want you to
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Speaker 1: be listening to this this merl How Part two episode
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Speaker 1: and just let me know of all the great country
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Speaker 1: singers Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, George Jones, take your pick,
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Speaker 1: Morgan Wallen, George Strait. I'm trying to think about the
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Speaker 1: modern one, Chris Stapleton. I guess who has the voice
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Speaker 1: that just just owns you when you hear it. Who
23:23
Speaker 1: is your favorite country singer? Because country singing is a
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Speaker 1: distinct thing. It is different from clearly different from rock
23:31
Speaker 1: and roll singing. It's so cool, it's so badass, it's
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Speaker 1: so adult. I just love it. And you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to try and think through my favorite. Here is
23:41
Speaker 1: it Merle is a George. I'm going to listen to
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Speaker 1: a bunch over the weekend, try to make a decision,
23:45
Speaker 1: and you let me know when you're listening to the
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Speaker 1: Merle Haggard Part two episode, our new episode on Merl Haggard.
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Speaker 1: Who your favorite country singer is? Call me six one
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Speaker 1: back right after this. All right, let's do some quick
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Speaker 1: recommendations here. Started this last week this whole one book,
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Speaker 1: one record, one documentary, and we talked a lot about
24:25
Speaker 1: Scorsese last week. We're going to continue doing that as
24:27
Speaker 1: we close the book, our Disgrace lam book on Scorsese
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Speaker 1: in the band this week. Last week I recommended Made Men.
24:35
Speaker 1: This is the book I'm the making of Good Fellows.
24:37
Speaker 1: This week I'm recommending actually two more scorsesebooks I wanted
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Speaker 1: to I only wanted to recommend this one here, which
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Speaker 1: is the main one. It's called A Personal Journey with
24:45
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese through American Movies by Martin Scorsese and Michael
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Speaker 1: Henry Wilson. And this book is fantastic. It's Scorsese taking
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Speaker 1: you through the history of film. You know, exactly like
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Speaker 1: it says, and it's based on I guess a documentary
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Speaker 1: that came out that I've never seen and I can't
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Speaker 1: really find. And it's fantastic because it's Scorsese giving you
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Speaker 1: his personal view on on sort of all the great
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Speaker 1: genres of filmmaking from the beginning of filmmaking, from the
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Speaker 1: silent era all the way through the huge you know,
25:18
Speaker 1: even like you know, musicals and big studio films, like
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Speaker 1: you know, big Westerns and the Warner Brothers, gangster movies.
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Speaker 1: Just fantastic stuff. And it goes it's pretty deep, talks
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Speaker 1: about his favorite directors as well. It's just it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a really cool way to bone up on your
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Speaker 1: film history if you're interested in that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: And I can't recommend it high ena highly enough. Again,
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Speaker 1: A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese through American Movies. Second book.
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Speaker 1: I know I'm always supposed to do one, but if
25:54
Speaker 1: you watched mister Scorsese on Apple podcasts and you were like,
25:57
Speaker 1: I need more than this is the book you need
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Speaker 1: on Scorsese. It's a book of interviews that Scorsese did
26:04
Speaker 1: and it goes up and until I think the early nineties. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: up and until Goodfellas, and it's it's really an expansion.
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Speaker 1: You can tell that this book is the spine of
26:17
Speaker 1: that Scorsese doc that just came out on Apple. So
26:19
Speaker 1: if you want a little bit more, you'll get a
26:21
Speaker 1: little bit more with Scorsese on the score, SSE. So
26:25
Speaker 1: that's those are the books I'm recommending. The record you know,
26:29
Speaker 1: no one talks about Before the Flood Bob Dylan and
26:31
Speaker 1: the Band from nineteen seventy four or live album. No
26:33
Speaker 1: one talks about this album enough, and it's just it's scorching.
26:37
Speaker 1: These guys are there, They're on fire, and I love
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Speaker 1: this album. It's kind of an overlooked, overlooked piece from
26:44
Speaker 1: Dylan's catalog and the band is really pushing Bob pretty
26:48
Speaker 1: damn herd on this record. It's fantastic again. Before the
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Speaker 1: Flood Bob Dylan in the Band, nineteen seventy four. That's
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Speaker 1: my one record recommendation. My one documentary recommendation. American Boy
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Speaker 1: Martin Scorse nineteen seventy eight documentary on his buddy Stephen
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Speaker 1: Prince who plays Easy Andy in Taxi Driver, The Gun
27:06
Speaker 1: Dealer and Stephen Prince has this incredible history in New
27:11
Speaker 1: York arts and culture, and he's a heroin addict. He
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Speaker 1: tells some amazing stories. Just you knows. I believe he's
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Speaker 1: in Scorseses Hollywood apartment in the late seventies. And this
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Speaker 1: is where that wild scene from Pulp Fiction comes, where
27:29
Speaker 1: when Uma Thurman overdoses and John Travolta has to inject
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Speaker 1: her through the sternum with that hypodermic needle and the adrenaline.
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Speaker 1: It actually comes from a story that Stephen Prince, that
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Speaker 1: happened to Stephen Prince, and it's in this documentary called
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Speaker 1: American Boy by Martin Scorsese from nineteen seventy eight. So
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Speaker 1: there you have it. One book, one record, one doc.
27:50
Speaker 1: Those are my recommendations. Check those out if you haven't already.
27:53
Speaker 1: If you got any RECs for me, hit me up
27:55
Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
27:58
Speaker 1: real quick. Speaking of films, speaking of music, speaking of Scorsese.
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Speaker 1: Zeth and I have a new video podcast called This
28:06
Speaker 1: Film Should Be Played Loud that is available exclusively to
28:10
Speaker 1: our All Access members. It's gonna be released on December tenth,
28:15
Speaker 1: and uh, you're gonna love it. It's my two favorite
28:19
Speaker 1: things it's my peanut butter in my chocolate. It is
28:22
Speaker 1: the convergence of music and film. It's a video podcast
28:27
Speaker 1: about great movies and the great music that makes them.
28:31
Speaker 1: Hmmmmm choice. Okay, the first every episode's gonna be on
28:36
Speaker 1: a different movie. First, when we're doing is on Goodfellas.
28:39
Speaker 1: That's a good way to come out of the gates.
28:40
Speaker 1: And again that's coming on December tenth. And to get
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28:54
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Speaker 1: thing we bet on is football, professional football. We've been
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Speaker 1: doing this literally for as long as I can remember.
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Speaker 1: It started out with football cards, not the kind you
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Speaker 1: buying package with bubble gum, but kind of get from
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Speaker 1: a bookie has all the games on it, the points spreads.
29:28
Speaker 1: You get a pick six, you gotta win every single
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Speaker 1: Now listen. Also not just the football cards, Okay, calling
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Speaker 1: do as a ten year old with my stepfather. I
29:39
Speaker 1: had my own code and everything. Hey, this is our
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Speaker 1: one sixty two. Give me the pass with the points
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Speaker 1: Dallas minus three, Cleveland plus two. I never knew why
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Speaker 1: what was really going on is me and my stepdad
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Speaker 1: needed another voice to lay money on separate teams to
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Speaker 1: cover losses on his other bets. I don't know. I
29:57
Speaker 1: didn't ask. I'm not sure you tell me the truth anyhow.
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Speaker 1: Now nowadays we bet with just the football cards, and
30:04
Speaker 1: no it's not through an app, and yes it's done
30:07
Speaker 1: in an old school kind of way, if you know
30:08
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. True to our family's form. My seven
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Speaker 1: year old plays the cards on Sunday too, Willie the Greek,
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Speaker 1: that's what they've been calling him he's come closer to
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Speaker 1: winning the pond on Sunday than I have. Anyway, I
30:18
Speaker 1: have an attitude toward gambling that is akin to I
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Speaker 1: guess how the French think about kids drinking wine. Expose
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Speaker 1: them young, destigmatize it, make it casual, and they will
30:28
Speaker 1: likely not abuse it. That's how it worked for me anyways,
30:30
Speaker 1: with the gambling out with drinking anyway. My family, however,
30:33
Speaker 1: has officially taken it too far. My youngest sister is
30:37
Speaker 1: about to have a baby next month, and her it's
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Speaker 1: her first. And yes there is a pool. We've got squares.
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Speaker 1: Top row for the days born. Side row is for
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Speaker 1: the minute of birth. It's insane. Winter gets five hundred
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30:51
Speaker 1: I swear to God this is true. Is this too far?
30:54
Speaker 1: I feel like it's too far. I feel like it's
30:55
Speaker 1: like betting on the weather. Have we jumped some figurative
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Speaker 1: shark with our gambling? I think we have. Do I
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Speaker 1: really care? Though? No, I don't do. I want to
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Speaker 1: complain about it in the sports rant kind of Are
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Speaker 1: the Pat's gonna win on Monday Night against the Giants?
31:06
Speaker 1: You bet your assay are, but I have to check
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Speaker 1: with my seven year old to see if they're gonna
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Speaker 1: cover the spread. Matt, don't tell me how I did.
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Speaker 1: give the people a little taste of what they're missing
31:50
Speaker 1: if they're not signed up for all access Go Ahead.
32:22
Speaker 1: The road was rough. You never knew what you'd find
32:24
Speaker 1: out there. Five guys split between two station wagons, going
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Speaker 1: from town to town, gig to gig, living hand to mouth.
32:32
Speaker 1: Sometimes the place was packed. The crowd was into it
32:34
Speaker 1: and thus making it easier to endure another late night
32:38
Speaker 1: staring at that long white line while tearing ass through
32:42
Speaker 1: the darkness in one of those station wagons. Some nights, however,
32:46
Speaker 1: he played to just three people, including the bartender, And
32:51
Speaker 1: some nights you got stiff by the no bullshit having
32:53
Speaker 1: club owner who wasn't afraid to use a loaded pistol
32:56
Speaker 1: in his hand to help drive home the fact that
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Speaker 1: the dealers, the dopers, the jealous husband who didn't like
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Speaker 1: the way he looked at his wife, And for all
33:09
Speaker 1: of these reasons, a traveling band has to be tight.
33:13
Speaker 1: If you're on the road, you have to have your
33:16
Speaker 1: band members' backs. Then, long ago, back before resentment and
33:22
Speaker 1: jealousy and creative differences tore them apart, the band took
33:27
Speaker 1: that unspoken rule one step further. Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard,
33:33
Speaker 1: Manuel Garth Hudson, and Levon Helm had a pact. And
33:37
Speaker 1: the pact was this, If one of them died out
33:41
Speaker 1: there on the road, victim of too many pills or
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Speaker 1: too much drink, maybe even one of those jealous husbands,
33:48
Speaker 1: then the other guys would put his dead body on ice,
33:51
Speaker 1: stuff him back in the station wagon with the instruments
33:55
Speaker 1: and haul his ass back to Woodstock, New York, where
33:58
Speaker 1: they were living before the authorities caught on. By nineteen
34:02
Speaker 1: sixty seven, however, after nearly a decade of life on
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Speaker 1: the road, the band were at long last taking a
34:08
Speaker 1: break because their boss, Bob Dylan, was taking a break.
34:12
Speaker 1: And it turns out it wasn't their bodies and reputations
34:15
Speaker 1: they had to worry about protecting anymore. Their own music
34:18
Speaker 1: would soon need guarding, and that's where all the trouble started.
34:23
Speaker 1: Let me explain, all right, Like I said, that is
34:30
Speaker 1: a clip from our new mini episode. Mini episodes come out.
34:33
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34:53
Speaker 1: They were going to get into on the greatest concert
34:57
Speaker 1: films of all time from our perspective mine and Zeth's,
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Speaker 1: light on some films you might not have seen, some
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Speaker 1: great ones from master musicians, huge artists, and also some
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35:43
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35:46
Speaker 1: Earlier we talked about so many artists, but earlier in
35:49
Speaker 1: the B block here we talked about Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton,
35:52
Speaker 1: Van Morrison. We have episodes on all those guys, as
35:55
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35:57
Speaker 1: episodes in our archive, and and Matt is going to
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