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😎 Summer House Reunion Part 3 Recap (Part 1): Facetimes, Timelines and Beta Blockers · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, I can't believe that we are doing the third
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  Speaker 1: part of Summer House. Welcome in, Deanna Chang, welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Amy. You know it's we've been through so.
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  Speaker 1: Much and you know what, it's not over yet because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but there will
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  Speaker 1: in fact, next week, next Tuesday, there will be a
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  Speaker 1: bonus episode of Summerhouse. It will be called Summer House
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  Speaker 1: The Aftermath. Did you see any little snippets?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I did see the aftermath snippets, and immediately I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know what time frame we were in, and that
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  Speaker 2: threw me off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because immediately I was thinking, well, here we
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  Speaker 1: have West saying I love her. I've always loved her.
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  Speaker 1: And then at the reunion, he's like, they're like, we're
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  Speaker 1: not using that word now, We're we're it's too Oh
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  Speaker 1: it's too early. It's too early, Is it right? Or
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  Speaker 1: is it just been proud in a long time. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we're talking through fall into the winter months into spring.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's too early. Quite frankly, I wish
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  Speaker 1: you would have said it. So, yeah, a lot of questions,
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  Speaker 1: they're yes, so bizarre and bizarre. We are like, here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing, Deanna.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get me together, right. I'm not even sure
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  Speaker 2: what I feel at this moment. I can't. I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure myself. Like Amanda's going to sit and think
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  Speaker 2: about herself. I'm gonna think about myself and what do
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  Speaker 2: I feel.
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  Speaker 1: So you basically you're telling me you walked away from
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  Speaker 1: this reunion like Amanda and West. Mostly Amanda committed to
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  Speaker 1: thinking about just anything. Really, it was pretty nebulous. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: you're vague if you will.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the one thing she said quite clearly is the
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  Speaker 2: word me. Oh, she's going to think about herself.
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  Speaker 1: She got a lot to sort of. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: she's done enough thinking, so maybe that's not the best idea.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in, Darlings. So happy you're here. Dean and I
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  Speaker 1: are doing a just hot off the heels recap. So
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  Speaker 1: we literally just turned off our screens, TVs, whatever it
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  Speaker 1: is that we watched it on, and we jumped over
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  Speaker 1: here in our navy blues. We are team I guess
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  Speaker 1: we don't know, I guess we are team Summer House
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  Speaker 1: sans West and Amanda because they are feeling they are
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  Speaker 1: feeling something. And I mean it's not that I'm like
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  Speaker 1: laughing at it. In fact, I was very touched, but
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  Speaker 1: just there is Yeah, there's just he's so endearing that
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  Speaker 1: it does make you giggle that he's just sitting there
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  Speaker 1: with tears on his face the entire third half of
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  Speaker 1: this third part of this reunion.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, let's wipe someone's like a tissue, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's time to just blot at this.
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  Speaker 1: It's giving Erica Jane when yeah, it's giving Erica Jane
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  Speaker 1: all the way. She doesn't she doesn't dab So is
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  Speaker 1: that just a thing some people just aren't dabbers. They
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  Speaker 1: just they just are fine with tears on their face.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm not that person.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think especially when you want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: the cameras have gotten you and that you've because that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing about this this episode that was brought in
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  Speaker 2: to the picture. The fourth wall was coming down and
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  Speaker 2: we were dancing around like you don't care about this
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  Speaker 2: program that we're on, oh right, that we make money from. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and like I'm crying because in the program that I'm on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're my guy, and I don't know who I
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  Speaker 2: am without you or a too hand er Deanna, here
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  Speaker 2: you are.
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  Speaker 1: You sat down across from me and you said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where I am and here and here I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting taught. Because I didn't. That didn't even become clear
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  Speaker 1: to me. And you're right, because I wasn't looking past
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  Speaker 1: friendships because beyond that, it is bigger than that. They
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  Speaker 1: have chemistry. They've got this huge show. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was the weston Jesse phenomenon that I've been so jazzed
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  Speaker 1: about since they started, because they've got such a fun
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  Speaker 1: they had such a fun rapport and it just gave
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  Speaker 1: so much more new life to Summer House. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: so much so that I was I took my own
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  Speaker 1: gender for granted, and I was like, the ladies need
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  Speaker 1: to come into this house and they need to bring
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  Speaker 1: what kind of you know, brohood that Jesse and West
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  Speaker 1: are bringing. And I'm not seeing that from the ladies,
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  Speaker 1: and shame on me because we have a sociopath. But oh,
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  Speaker 1: here's what I wanted to say. From the top, it
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  Speaker 1: became clear to me as Kyle, who had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of good points and incredible points, meaningful moments. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: you've isolated her, You've left her on an island. You
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  Speaker 1: knew she was vulnerable, you know, just all this stuff
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  Speaker 1: aside with him being friends with Kyle. He took her
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  Speaker 1: and he just kind of kept her away, and I go,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, he's right. Isolation. What happens? Where do
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  Speaker 1: you get isolated in cults? Cults do that? West is
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  Speaker 1: a cult leader. Let me read you the definition of
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  Speaker 1: a cult leader. Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Cult leaders are typically malignant, narcissists and manipulators who use
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  Speaker 1: polarizing charisma and coercive control to demand unquestioning obedience. They
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  Speaker 1: isolate followers from support systems and exploit them for financial
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  Speaker 1: gain or sexual power, masking a fragile ego with a
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  Speaker 1: grandiose with grandiose delusions and a lack of empathy. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that the lack of empathy wasn't just because
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  Speaker 1: of the beta blockers. It truly, I don't believe is there.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have it, No, it doesn't have it. We've
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  Speaker 2: seen too many examples of like actually with this Mihak.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, you know, oh god, that hurt.
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  Speaker 2: That was That was a gotcha yeah, and little fast
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  Speaker 2: and gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: He actually surprisingly said the truth yep, which was the
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  Speaker 1: gotcha yep. And maybe do you think that he knew
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  Speaker 1: he was outing himself because do you think in his
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  Speaker 1: world he was thinking, well, that's the excuse I always
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  Speaker 1: give everybody, which is the woman thinks it always thinks
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  Speaker 1: it's more than what it really is. And I never
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  Speaker 1: actually said that, but by him saying, well, she thought
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  Speaker 1: we were exclusive, do you think that he thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going to be able to get away with it
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  Speaker 1: this time because everyone was right on him.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was it. I think he had not
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  Speaker 2: settled anything up until that part of the show of
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  Speaker 2: the three part series, so we were finally hearing his words,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he has Amanda next to him. They've
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  Speaker 2: done some sort of very light dusting of a timeline
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  Speaker 2: and a plan. Their plan was like over one macha
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  Speaker 2: and it was in bed and they just didn't have
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  Speaker 2: any a PowerPoint presentation, a pr person. There was nothing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was a couple of three to four
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  Speaker 2: bullet points that they were holding on too with dear life.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that he had hurt next to him
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  Speaker 2: and he doesn't want her to know that he was
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  Speaker 2: in a full blown relationship, like with a girl who
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  Speaker 2: thought she was in a full blown relationship, and he
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  Speaker 2: knew he wasn't right. You know, I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: ever told Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: That that's right. That was a shocker.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, he got tripped up in that and it
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  Speaker 2: just revealed itself, you know. I think that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: That he that Essentially everyone was like, that is a
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  Speaker 1: relationship like that is a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: From like the couch from behind everybody.
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  Speaker 1: That is a relationship that is called a religion ship,
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  Speaker 1: is it, Dick, Yeah, he lives in that is that
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  Speaker 1: is I mean yeah, they all think and him saying
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  Speaker 1: that he loved her over and over again. We also
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  Speaker 1: saw her on FaceTime on the break That's where we
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  Speaker 1: actually picked up in this episode with Sierra talking to
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  Speaker 1: her and she was like, as we saw even from
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  Speaker 1: a little bit last week. He was telling her, no,
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  Speaker 1: you can't put her on the show. That would cause issues,
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  Speaker 1: and and you know it's just everything is hide hiding
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  Speaker 1: in secrecy and isolation. Let me just keep this this
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  Speaker 1: subject over here in my apartment while I'm over here
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  Speaker 1: sewing this seeds of whatever it is that I want
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  Speaker 1: to do on Summerhouse. And this is a great excuse
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  Speaker 1: because it's a job. Now, let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 1: Miha said, can you imagine my surprise when he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about how as he would not want to bring me
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  Speaker 1: on as a girlfriend because I would be exposed and
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  Speaker 1: that would cause other issues. And then to all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, wake up one day and now he's with Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: So that made me think, Okay, well, the timeline here
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  Speaker 1: is really weird because she's talking about being with him
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  Speaker 1: all the way during the summer and then she's saying
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  Speaker 1: the next thing, I know, he's with Amanda. So when
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  Speaker 1: he came back from Summerhouse, then he was still with her.
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  Speaker 1: So because it sounds like it was like a fourteen
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  Speaker 1: month relationship, fourteen months that is a long time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And so all the way through the summer into the fall.
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  Speaker 1: Then we have a timeline that he was with her
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  Speaker 1: in January, that he brought her to Bo's Men. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then they were together at the Super Bowl and
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  Speaker 1: he gave her flowers on Valentine's Day. That is entirely
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  Speaker 1: so when she said I wake up one day and
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  Speaker 1: he's with Amanda, It's like, yeah, that has got to
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  Speaker 1: be the most shocking thing ever. I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 2: No, and he is so comfortable. I mean, there's just
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  Speaker 2: so many things that went on that were you know,
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  Speaker 2: this guy and as annoyed, I started to get really
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  Speaker 2: annoyed that they were focused on Amanda and protecting her
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  Speaker 2: from him, because I feel like it took us so
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: long to get to the reason for the season, which
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  Speaker 2: is like Amanda in Sierra, you know, and we have to.
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  Speaker 1: Take a long time. Yeah, finally we got the big questions,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: you know, why did you how do you feel about
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  Speaker 1: your betrayal towards Sierra? I mean, these were hard hitting questions.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, he's just a guy who is not
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  Speaker 2: only is he comfortable to you with letting a girlfriend,
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  Speaker 2: a serious person that he's dating, think that they are monogamous,
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  Speaker 2: but it is what he prefers to your point, so
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  Speaker 2: she can stay not with anyone else, and he's for
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  Speaker 2: about the cabin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't understand how he can do that,
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  Speaker 1: which leads me to believe that he is lying about
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation with her, because if she's just assuming
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  Speaker 1: they're in an exclusive relationship, because they're saying I love you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they had to have had a conversation there
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  Speaker 1: together for fourteen months. He had to have said something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, I'm sure he did. And do you see
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  Speaker 2: him already doing this like when him and Sierra, you know, reconciled,
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  Speaker 2: and he's moving the pieces around so that she's not
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  Speaker 2: you know, he wants everyone around to know, like this
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  Speaker 2: isn't a big thing, This is just a you know,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: but he wants her in, he wants her biting, yes,
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  Speaker 2: like this is this is advanced. You know, it's advanced.
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  Speaker 1: Gumbag Stu's it's like somebody who's gotten his master's degree
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  Speaker 1: in this because he's done it for so long.
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  Speaker 2: And when you have a conversation about being together, like
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  Speaker 2: are we exclusive? You have it once?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, great point.
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  Speaker 2: And he probably like.
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  Speaker 1: He probably skirted that well.
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  Speaker 2: He might have even gone like you think we're exclusive,
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  Speaker 2: don't you.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, I do, and he is like,
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  Speaker 2: you never said it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I never said it. There's so many ways that
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  Speaker 1: he could have communicated that without actually saying it, like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so are we exclusive? I mean I said I love you,
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  Speaker 1: so whatever that means, yeah, yeah, you know, anything if
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: he's saying I love you. He's saying I love you
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  Speaker 1: to the dog walking by. He's throwing these words out there.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what's so funny about hearing them answer the
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  Speaker 1: question when Andy says, so, do you guys love each other?
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  Speaker 1: And Amanda's always waiting for his answer. First, she waited
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  Speaker 1: for him to answer, and he's like, no, we're not.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we're just not like you know, using those
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: She's like, Nope, we're not. It's just too early. You
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  Speaker 1: guys are so full of it. He said it to
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: her on camera many many times. Of course, he loves her,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and I really wish he would have said that. That
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: would have helped their case. You know, Deanna, I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: that it took so long to finally get to the hey,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: why did you betray her? How do you feel about
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: betraying her? Conversation because they had to take so much
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: time trying to drill down on this bedrock of these
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: two beta blocked people to get any kind of information
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: about a timeline to a definition about their relationship when
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it started, how did it start? And these two it
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: was like Beavis and Butt heead, I mean, it really was.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they're staring off into space.
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  Speaker 2: They're not connected at all. There's no energy between them,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's there's no
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: It's very strange. Yeah, it's it's an odd situation.
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  Speaker 1: They're hiding it. They're hiding their energy from everybody because
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: they don't want to show what they've been showing us
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  Speaker 1: on Summer House, the entire summer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's when Sierra was like, you know, I
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: mean you could say that, you know, it's she's worth it,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, here's an option, that's a sentence. You know that, right?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Because but now when you're okay, can I just gonna
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: touchdown on.
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  Speaker 1: That, get in here.
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  Speaker 2: When you're saying, of course he loves her, of course
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  Speaker 2: he loves her, I have to put I have a
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: little pause with that, because he is doing we have
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to imagine because people are who they are. I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: believe that Amanda, and it has nothing to do with Amanda.
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  Speaker 2: But we have Sierra on the couch. We have Kj's girlfriend,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: sorry I don't have her name with the ready on
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  Speaker 2: the couch. We have Miha you know at the ends.
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  Speaker 1: Anna, Shara, you got me, that's that's important.
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  Speaker 2: I got Dara. I like Dara. I am still thinking
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  Speaker 2: about her her showing last week. So just because I
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: don't have her name doesn't mean I don't have her
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  Speaker 2: in my heart. There you go, there you go, her
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: showing last week as Blooming Bloom socks back. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But we have these three gals and Pandas that's four,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: so we're we're one guy, four girls that are swimming
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  Speaker 2: around who he has had relationships with.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and it's the same result. And Dar really that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: really what she gave us, you know, is that like
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  Speaker 2: this is this is who you are, this is how
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  Speaker 2: you do. Yeah. So when he's saying he loves Amanda,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that is about this is the time of the journey
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  Speaker 2: when I say this and I lock them in and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: then they think they're in something really serious And this
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  Speaker 2: one is going to go on like it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a national headline. But I don't believe he loves her. Yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: it don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here, I am sitting going, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's been saying I love you, I love you, I
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  Speaker 1: love you all summer. Why wouldn't he say it now?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And the answer is, you're right, because he doesn't. That's why, Right,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: he just throws those words around. He said, he's say
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he's going to say it in the bonus episode to Kyle, right,
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  Speaker 1: but he better say it. He better say something like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that right now, which is so weird that he didn't
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: actually say it at this reunion. I find that very strange.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It was that was the time to say it. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they clearly had a plan of this one.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, their timeline, I mean, Andy was like what,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: They're like, it's too new, Oh god, this is too fresh? What?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And then that when everyone's kind of grown, they were like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they got very middle school. They were like, it's new,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: it's very nice.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But here's what. Here's what threw me. I'm so bad
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is that Like I would have been thinking the same thing,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: but now that preview of this bonus episode threw me
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: off my saddle.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the thing I don't understand. Yeah I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: feel I may understand.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: By my god, but the tables are turning.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Listen. I know I felt I came in feeling real foggy,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and now I'm clear enough.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Ok I thought I was clear, and now I'm foggy.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But it could just be the Pina Grigio talking, you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm saying okay, I did.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I think after the third episode, I felt like Mia,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: which is like, what actually did we accomplish here on
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: this evening?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You know? Oh? Whoa when Lindsay when Lindsay was like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I don't understand anything now, yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Miya and hers set it back in this
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: green room, and it was the fact She's.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Like, oh that's hilarious.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: What did we what happened here? I do think that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: West is savvy when it comes to you know, press
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and where he fits. And I think he left this
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: reunion and knew that he did not deliver on I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in Love with this girl, you know, And so now
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: he's going on a new program, you know, because there
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is there's in the city. It feels like it's part
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of in the city. But I guess this is not
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: in the city at all. It's just a special special show, right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Like it looked like in the city. They used in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the city cameras. I mean, okay, we might as well
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: call it in the city.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, it feels in the city ish. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it feels like he also has to I think he
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: left their cold, like the cast is like, we're there,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: we have no resolution. We don't have another season.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So do you think that they filmed this after the reunion?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I do think they filmed it after the reunion. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I think that West is like, I have to repair
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: some of this.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Way to do that is.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: To be a lover boy. Honey, Oh you did not.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: That is some good stuff, because.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's something people can sink their teeth into and actually
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: penetrates the old heart. And then you.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Understand, you understand people do crazy things for love.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That's all we wanted to hear. That's the only thing
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we were going to even consider to move forward in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: some kind of humane way. But instead you had two NPCs.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: You know what those are in a video?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're not something players. They're un essential.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're like not they just sit there and they
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: don't do anything. And and thank god that and he
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: actually said, you know, are you did you take a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: beta blocker? And the way that the way that he
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: was looking I was Amanda was looking at him. He
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was looking over at all the guys. The guys were
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: looking at him. He looked back. I was like, are
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you trying to cross the street? Why do you keep
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: looking around? And and he's like, I'm talking to you, bro, Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right, because I mean he didn't
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: even he couldn't even pick up where the question was aimed.
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  Speaker 2: So uh and he was he was blocked out of
• 24:34
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• 24:35
  Speaker 1: His beta's were blocking, and like they straight up like boom,
• 24:44
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  Speaker 1: like he could barely even answer that question, and so
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  Speaker 1: is such a great lesson on watching a liar lie
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  Speaker 1: Because even then he was like, all right, so, like,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: am I gonna tell the truth right now? I'm gonna
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: start talking until I land in the truth or out
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of the truth, and we'll see where it goes. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: he was like, well, I mean, if you just like, like, so,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: if I were to yeah, I did. I did with
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a beta blocker. I did take And what my language
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is isn't a twin Peaks language, Like it's all backwards
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and just shruggled.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Up beta blocker.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I did take. Okay, he's like Yoda. He's like not Yoa.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: He's not as cool and wise as Yoda, but he
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: is talking a little like Yoda.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the little backwards, a little nonlinear.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: You know that. Amanda was like, phew, he didn't ask me,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: but we all know. I think that he was smart
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to just ask West because there's something about the gender
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: there that I appreciated that he aimed it at West
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and not Amanda.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Well, Amanda also has you know, mental health issues, so it's.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Also recollection, right, you know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: No, but I don't think I even I appreciate you
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: bringing that up because I don't think it occurred to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: me that he didn't ask her. And I think you're
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent right, And that reminded me that she
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: there's a sensitivity there because she's open openly talked about
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: her mental health.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You know, Andy is so good. I mean, honestly, we
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I know, we appreciate Andy. I know that just a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: quick uh, you know, I could do, Yeah, just a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: quick could do to say he just is so good
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: at hosting these reunions and he doesn't even he doesn't
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: even produce Summer House, you know. So he's just a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: person having a conversation in some of these moments where
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you just really appreciate it. You know, when he was
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: just asking the question that I just was dying to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: hear and finally we got it, which is like, why
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: why did you betray her? How do you feel about
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the betrayal? It's like the biggest thing in the world,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and it was so nice to hear his sincerity ask
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: these pointed questions. But anyway, getting back to the beta blockers,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it really it robbed us of some emotion. And I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: wonder if they didn't have it, like allegedly allegedly that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they even were on them. But if they hadn't had
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: taken them allegedly, how would they have reacted? Because I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if Wes would have acted any differently. I'm
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: not quite sure.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I can't. He can't. He doesn't care. That was my
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: biggest takeaway from this guy is he doesn't and I
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: mean it so deeply care.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: But if he actually didn't take any beta blockers and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: he's like, that's this is actually a great excuse to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: show why I'm not showing an empathy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just to say, yes, yeah, because when he would
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that's get really creepy. When he was like, if I
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: was sitting close, I would hug you. I'm like, that
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: felt very weird and weird natural and strange.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm thinking, like, you know people can get
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: out of their seats.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well they can't. That's the whole thing with these two.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: First of all, listen, we have all in life been
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: attracted to someone that you shouldn't be attracted to, right
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that It's not every single human being on planet Earth
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: has felt attraction to someone where it's not right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a no no, it's.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: A no no. So this idea that Amandas can't get
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: a single handle on any of her feelings. And the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: thought that happens immediately if you have any sort of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: feeling is, oh my god, this would ruin my relationship
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: with X, Y, and Z, okay.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Every other letter in the alphabet for that matter.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And that's just like a that can just be a
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: fleeting dance with the mind, do you know what I mean?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: It can be nothing more than that. And you already
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: crunch every number that you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Need to trust and believe we everyone is thinking about stuff,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: whether they're even going to cross that bridge or not.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: She could have it in the frozen food section and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: think what if one day I can't do that? I mean,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it is that simple.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It's that simple, and you've already gone down the road
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: you have and this is really the truth. And I
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: wish somebody had said it now that I sit here tonight.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Was like, as I sit here tonight, as I sit
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: here this eve, yes, I wish somebody had said, like, listen, Amanda,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you did have the thought, you did know pretty early
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: on what this would do to your friend.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And you chose your self and this excitement over here
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: over your friend, and you were willing to discard her
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: because you knew that's where this road ends.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Lindsay came. She really butted up against that. I felt
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that Lindsay did. She was like, so after that one break,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: she was so done at she doesn't have the answers.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: She comes back and she's given up. She's now going
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to have a good time, and she's just like, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: haven't learned anything. And then she does say, you guys,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: weighed all these options before you made a decision. You
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: said you made a decision, but you didn't weigh the options.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And you said you talked about it, but you couldn't
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: have because you're saying that you thought about how this
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: would have basically a domino effect and destroy people's lives,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and then you continued to do that. It's pretty shortsighted,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: as she said, for just a fling, And I thought,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is, because here you have two
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: people who's just their kinks aligned at one time. It's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: really more of a kink that he was exploring. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I think for her it was it was a vulnerable moment.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It was an f you to Kyle, and it was
• 39:31
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• 39:35
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• 39:37
  Speaker 1: ten years. I'm doing what I want to do for once,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm doing this no matter what the consequence.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Man. I mean, yeah, she right, she chose, And you
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: know there's just something just hearing that out loud where
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: it just like that's the truth. Yeah, you know, you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: just didn't You don't worry about serious, right, Like you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: don't care about me. It's not that she doesn't care
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: about Sierra, but she didn't care enough about the friendship
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to prioritize it or to have a conversation or to
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: you know, go to her on bend and me and say,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: like these feelings. But I just I don't believe these feelings.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Like these feelings. I'm having a really hard time touching
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: down on between her and West, like.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we don't see any kind of connection there
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: on the couch, because they're not going to show it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: In fact, they look like two people that have been
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: married for thirty five years that are just annoyed with
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: each other, that sit next to each other. They don't
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: even look at each other and like, at the end,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: don't eat that, we're gonna do cheers. Don't do that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: when you're mad, you know, just the bickering. And then
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: here we have in real time. They're in Europe and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: she's spinning in his mouth that whole thing that took
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the internet and you missed it. Oh my god, Diana.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So there's this picture. I don't it's actually a video.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I do not know how someone at this moment in
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: time happened to be videotaping them. But they're sitting outside
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: eating and she I don't blame this. I have to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: tell you. I have to tell you this. Okay, Diana,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: look at me. You've got to be strong for this. Okay,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you have to look at it. You got you gotta.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And she picks her head up and he opens his
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: mouth and she spits. They're they're not even close to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: each other. She like spits something far away into his mouth.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: We don't know what, and then they keep going on
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: with their moment. It looks like it there's no big
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: there's no chewing, like, it's just I don't know what
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, And it wasn't a spit food fly
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: like It wasn't someone just eating.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like baby birding, but I mean it was and.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes you're eating in Spitchus accidentally.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, she was aiming. She hurled
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and he was ready for it. And it was really fast.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: People slowed it down. It's so oh no, oh, this
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: is so funny to explain this to you.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So here we are in real time and they're getting
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: along great. So like we're not going to see that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: at the reunion because it's secret, just like their relationship
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: has been the secret this whole time. When they're around
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the Summerhouse crew, they're going to keep it secret. They're
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: going to stick to whatever loose script that they have,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and then they're going to take it, take it to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the streets in another country and live their best life.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: You know, in the Summerhouse they got off on doing
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: their sneaky little breadcombing things, doing their little thingies that
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: they could that that was what they were getting crazy about.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: You know, they were loving that. And I guess it
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't that's hot, you know, we all.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Get of course, but but I mean we're of age
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: where and when you have see when you have things
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: hanging in the balance, like an actual friendship. That's the problem.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: That's the fucking problem. I just can't get over. You know.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Part of me is like, I don't know how Amanda
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: could have shown up for this reunion not on Beta blockers,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: allegedly because of the damage that she is caused to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Sierra and the pain. I don't know if I could
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: face that head on, I don't know. So part of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: me really doesn't. I don't know. Part of me doesn't
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: blame her for that. I'm sorry that. I'm sorry to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: say it. Would I want her to face the music
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like a like a like a woman, and you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: give speak her truth and cry on bended kneed to Sierra,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of course, but then she's still going to walk away
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: with Wes. She made her decision.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: She's already made her decision, and so what's the point,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: like you don't care? Well, yeah, I mean, but even
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: that's where you go into And by the way, Sierra
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: put out a whole thing as a nurse about Beta Blockers.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Did you read that? I did?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I did, okay, which I thought I appreciated, but totally,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like emotions can still be there are just blocks.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: She went into the scientifics and the pharmaceuticals of it all,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and yeah, the wiring of our brains. And you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: she's too smart for me. So you get the idea
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: that she's basically saying, you can take beta blockers. They're
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: going to suppress your adrenaline, but they're not going to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily suppress your emotion. And so beta blockers are no
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: excuse for how they showed up at this reunion, right.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I think that when you aren't and that's why I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: just feel like they were so underprepared. Is like, if
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you are going to leave together, which they are, then
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you just have to say the thing like that Woody
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Allen said back in the day, the heart wants what
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the heart wants. And that has not aged twelve folks,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: but it was something that penetrated us as a society
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to the point where it took a couple decades for
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: us to really get our head around the truth that
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: we were like heartwork, the heart want. Yeah, you know, yes,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: it's so they didn't even break us off anything like that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So like they didn't break you know, they did not
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: break us off anything, not even a morsel, you know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So they started to talk to Wes a little more
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: towards the end, and that's where we wanted to be.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We want we needed him to be on the stand
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: for a longer period of time with with a prosecuting attorney,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and we didn't get that, unfortunately, because there was so
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: much other, so many other things going on. But we
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: needed him to be in the hot seat with more
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: questions fired at him because he can't handle that, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: he would have wavered and he would have cracked, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: he would have stuttered, and he would have, like you know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: fallen into a trap of his own lies. More so
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: had we hammered, hammered, hammered on him. But we didn't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: do that. And I understand, you know, they want to.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I guess the reason what I'm saying I understand is because, well,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you can't just go in on somebody at a reunion
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: hard like that, because it's not necessarily fair, right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I mean we saw. You know, I'm always bringing back
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: to scandival, But like I think, in these situations, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: think they go in hard. I mean, it's the only
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: thing we discussed.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, they didn't like fire. I guess did
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: they fire enough questions at him? Now I'm wondering what
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: did we even see, you know, because they kept asking questions,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: but they just said the same thing over you know
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah, they asked as many questions as
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: they possibly could, and their answer was always I know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and I feel so bad and I can't believe it,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and I feel so bad. And if I could go back,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I would have had a conversation that that was weird.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: If I could have had a conversation, it could have
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: West tied with West. Can we talk about West and Kyle?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And how Kyle was like just emotional as I'll get out,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and he was like basically taking a father figure role
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: on Amanda, saying, what are your intentions, sir with my
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: daughter girl? Yeah, And it was a question. It is
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a good question, and of course he's not gonna have
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the answer.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Well he even like, you know, the scummiest don't know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like to me just when he said that. I think
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it was when they were asking when Andy asked, are
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you in love? And they were like, so soon, it's soon.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: It just happened, and we're just no.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Baby bird, babybird just cracked open.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Sunlight. We just and he was like, God, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I would just love it to get back to where
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it was between us.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what That's what I'm talking about.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Those are the questions that are going to get those
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: types of answers that everyone was like from six weeks
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: ago bullshit.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Because none of their their timeline is bullshit. And he's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: already making her mentally being in a place where she
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: has to fight back to where he was the most
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: into her, which was when she was.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Married, yes, thank you and stillwell still is but yes,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: but still committed, still in her relationship.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And his ex was two feet away and there were
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: cameras running. That's when she was the best.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: That's what we got to get back to. You know.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: When he said that, it exposed him in so many ways.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you remember to bring that up, because
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I think it was Bailey that set across the way.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Oh he's already, he's already over her, He's already over this,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly how it exposed him, because it's showing
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the cracks in their relationship now, which is we actually
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: have work to do in our relationship. We actually have
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to get back to a place.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: That's crazy Amy after this relationship she's been in, you
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: know that she's in with a new one with so
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: much drama, so much isolation, and she has to work
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: on getting back who girl. And that's why everyone was like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: are you like Carl's like, you sure you want to
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: do this?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Down the couch, she was like okay, I know. She like, wow,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: okay she We saw a little emotion, some irritation towards Carl. Carl,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Carl took a Carl did take a take.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: He cut astray. Yeah, but.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: She only had emotion for Carl. She could let it out. Yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: those those eye rolls. Oh okay, you're gonna chime in,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: carlh okay, what are your thoughts about when Sierra said
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: he's only with you to spite me, He's getting back
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: at me. What's that about.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: It's hard because we saw that particular sound bite as
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: part of the early drop, right like that like released
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: footage or audio or whatever it was, or maybe it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: was even a promo, And then I had seen a
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of people talking about it online and like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: what did this? So I don't okay, I feel clouded,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: you know, on what I actually think about it.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I feel clouded, well, what are some of the speculations
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: on what other people think, because yeah, I don't really
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I think that it makes sense for Sierra to feel
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: that way because she's trying to figure out why this
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: guy has played her so so hard, horrifically, right, so
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: it has to be hate so exactly, so you have
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to crunch the numbers on it and go for whatever
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: reason he is so either angry about the first time
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and this is a he got me in a position
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of vulnerability only to figure out what's going to hurt
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: me the most and like slam me over the head
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: with it, right, Like, I get that thought process. I
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: think what some of the things that I saw online
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: was that he's not even thinking about her enough to
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: make it about hating her or about her even And
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I do think that there's probably a lot of truth
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: in that because he's not He does that everybody. Yeah,