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2-10-26 Hour 1 - Nugs collapse vs Cleveland/Way-too-Early Super Bowl Odds/NBA's West is STACKED · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kane on demand.
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  Speaker 3: Jokich inside the arc nowt the dotted liner throws out
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  Speaker 3: of it hardaway three, missed it short rebound down to
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  Speaker 3: Jared Allen five seconds left, game winner time for Donovan Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: He goes to the left hand, gets fouled by Denver
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  Speaker 3: and Jamal Murray with point nine to go. If Denver
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  Speaker 3: goes for three and make it, they win it two
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  Speaker 3: point fources overtime inbound goes over to Jokis for the
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  Speaker 3: game winner, missed it at the horn and Denver loses
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  Speaker 3: a stinger.
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  Speaker 4: At home to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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  Speaker 3: Final tonight at Ball Arena, Calves won nineteen, Denver one seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: So just a really tough loss. Like I said in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, you have these It sucks. I will not
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  Speaker 2: sleep tonight. You know, the effort was there, but we
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  Speaker 2: just got to be able to close the game better,
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  Speaker 2: and we gotta do that.
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  Speaker 5: On Wednesday, Well, the Nuggets are officially owen won since
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  Speaker 5: Vicky Martin showed up to du pre and postgame on
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  Speaker 5: altitude sports.
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  Speaker 1: That blew up. Yep, that didn't work. I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: revitalizing my look, going back to my youth, would generate
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  Speaker 1: some sort of enthusiasm with the Nuggets at home. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: go back to what they were once proudly at home.
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  Speaker 1: This is a basketball team that not long ago two
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  Speaker 1: thy thirteen went thirty eight and three at home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to just think about that for a second.
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  Speaker 5: That's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty eight and three. They lost three games at home.
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  Speaker 1: This team, which has championship aspirations, a championship roster, championship pedigree,
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  Speaker 1: is now fourteen and eleven at Ballerina. Now listen, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want everybody to think that the words coming out
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  Speaker 1: of my mouth meaning that I've given up or any
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  Speaker 1: of that. I'm just telling you fourteen and eleven at
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  Speaker 1: home is unacceptable. I don't care what anybody says about injuries.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care about anything. They're twenty and nine on
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  Speaker 1: the road, which proves to me that injury excuse doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: They're twenty and nine on the road. Yeah, fourteen and
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  Speaker 1: eleven at home. There's something going on when they're playing
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  Speaker 1: at Ballerina. They're too comfortable, they're too lax. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is. You tell me, you tell me
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  Speaker 1: what you see when the Nuggets play in front of
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  Speaker 1: their hometown fans, because what I see as a team
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  Speaker 1: that right now is just punching in air.
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  Speaker 5: This is Look. I think they have two issues. One
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  Speaker 5: of them certainly is a lack of consistent winning at home.
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  Speaker 5: In your right, you can't throw out the injury thing,
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  Speaker 5: because it's not like this on both home en road.
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  Speaker 5: It's just home, just at home.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I don't the excuse is about coming back
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  Speaker 1: to altitude. I've watched Nuggets basketball for five decades. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen worst Nuggets teams dominated at home. I've seen Nuggets
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  Speaker 1: teams that had no business going to the playoffs win
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  Speaker 1: at home. Yeah they're winning, but fourteen and eleven ain't
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  Speaker 1: gonna cut it.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you this. I don't know what the reason
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  Speaker 5: for the home record is. It's been a disturbing trend.
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  Speaker 5: And so is this by the way, because this has
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  Speaker 5: not just been a by product of injury. This has
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  Speaker 5: happened for the last couple of years. It used to
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  Speaker 5: be I think the biggest strength that this team had.
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  Speaker 5: They used to choke teams out at the end of
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  Speaker 5: fourth quarters when the game was close. Slowly kill them
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  Speaker 5: two man game, get a couple of stops, extend your lead,
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  Speaker 5: push it to six seven, and and close the game out.
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  Speaker 5: They've had trouble closing for a couple of years now.
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  Speaker 5: When the game's close, they feel like they can't get
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  Speaker 5: the bucket when they need it, or they can't get
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  Speaker 5: the stop when they need it. They're always right there,
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  Speaker 5: but their ability to actually finish at that moment is concerning.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand it's difficult. Natelman mentioned it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you got different lineups that are cycling through at the
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  Speaker 5: end of games right now, and different guys are on
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  Speaker 5: the floor, and you aren't having the same group close
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  Speaker 5: out games. I get that doesn't make it easier, but Vic,
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  Speaker 5: if this was just a problem within the last month
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  Speaker 5: and a half, maybe I could shrug it off. It's
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  Speaker 5: been that way for a couple of years that they
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  Speaker 5: were elite level close out team.
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  Speaker 1: They are a negative team right now in clutch situation.
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  Speaker 1: They've lost more than they've won. Yeah, for the first
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  Speaker 1: time in the Joker era, they've lost more games than
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  Speaker 1: they've won. Do you know what their record is when
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  Speaker 1: Joker plays in clutch time.
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  Speaker 5: It's bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's five and ten.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know what attribute that to, Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of that, because I
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  Speaker 5: have a hard time saying Jokic is the problem there.
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  Speaker 5: But there's something. Maybe it's just people are acquiescing too
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  Speaker 5: much to the two men game when those guys are
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  Speaker 5: in the lineup instead of looking for their shots.
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  Speaker 1: Like, there's little mistakes that are made along the way,
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  Speaker 1: little defensive mistakes, yes, little the turnovers late, he have
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  Speaker 1: a bad turnover late. There's things that take place that
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  Speaker 1: just build this momentum of blah. At no point that
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  Speaker 1: I think the Nuggets were going to lose that game.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. You know, they had a lets an
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  Speaker 1: eleven point lead twice. They're up eleven twice, even in
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  Speaker 1: the lake going. I'm like, okay, all right, So James
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  Speaker 1: Harden makes a crazy three. All right, that's James Harden
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  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, go down, get a bucket, Go down
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  Speaker 1: and get a bucket. Nope, well they hadn't.
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  Speaker 5: They gets doubled Vic and he kicks it over to
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  Speaker 5: a wide open hardway. Together it is that's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: the three. He bricks it and then you get the
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  Speaker 5: foul with point nine left.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand that foul.
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  Speaker 5: I don't either.
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  Speaker 1: It's the final second.
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  Speaker 5: What what was what was Mitchell gonna do?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, all he could do at that point
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  Speaker 1: is throw up a lefty hook.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't get it either. Don't understand. But that's
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  Speaker 5: I think vic that right there is an example of
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  Speaker 5: what they didn't do years prior in situations like that.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know if they're getting tight at the
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  Speaker 5: end of games.
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  Speaker 1: But d Mac and I were talking about this after
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  Speaker 1: the game and he said it first, someone to give
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  Speaker 1: him proper credit. This team has gotten too comfortable at home.
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  Speaker 5: I think so too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. You know, you know
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  Speaker 1: it's your home. Take your shoes off, you put on
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  Speaker 1: your your little walking bunnies that they wear at night,
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  Speaker 1: the little loafer, put on your house coat, shine your hair, huh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe get a hair dye. You feel like you're at home.
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  Speaker 1: You're feeling comfortable. I don't know why they're not winning
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  Speaker 1: at home like they're used to winning, because even if
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  Speaker 1: they're doing it all right, fourteen eleven is just to me,
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  Speaker 1: that's not good enough. Let's say three or three or
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  Speaker 1: four games difference, right, three or four games you give
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  Speaker 1: me seventeen and seven, seventeen to eight, right, that puts
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  Speaker 1: you in second place?
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  Speaker 5: Oh for sure? Yeah, not only play now like comfortably
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  Speaker 5: in second place?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and now I'm looking at this right. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of this can be fixed, but you're running out of time.
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  Speaker 1: You have twenty eight games left when you come back
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  Speaker 1: from the All Star break. It is a sprint to
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: And it is a bore of a schedule.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a stroll. It's a sprint to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: And you won't have two of your defensive players until March.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna have p W. You're not gonna have
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon. If you have either of those players last
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  Speaker 1: night in defensive situations, I think you win that game
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  Speaker 1: hands down. I do too, hell Spencer Jones as well.
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  Speaker 1: You're missing three defensive stalwarts last night.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing though, Matt like there is sort of
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  Speaker 5: a back and forth here, and I think even Adalman
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  Speaker 5: was struggling with that last night, because you have to
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  Speaker 5: acknowledge not having guys like that, especially when you need
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  Speaker 5: defensive stops late in games. AG's always been a guy
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  Speaker 5: you relied on. Peyton Watson is a very good defender
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  Speaker 5: that gets his hand in somebody's face a lot. Jones
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  Speaker 5: is a defensive demon. And I think Adelman is struggling
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  Speaker 5: like he doesn't want the injuries to sound like an
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  Speaker 5: excuse because it's more than that. But it certainly is
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  Speaker 5: a big factor. Like, here's just some of.
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  Speaker 2: It shoppy, a lot of it I think because of
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  Speaker 2: just playing completely different ways with different lineups. It's really
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  Speaker 2: funny the group when we had everybody out defended pretty well,
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  Speaker 2: we were switching everything. We're just kind of grinding through possessions.
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  Speaker 2: And now we've some guys back on restrictions trying to
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  Speaker 2: get their conditioning back, and we're getting back to being
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  Speaker 2: more of an offensive team. We have to find a
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  Speaker 2: way to do both, and obviously if you have your
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  Speaker 2: better defensive players on the lineup, it's going to help.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's part of it. And then he goes on
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  Speaker 5: to say this.
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  Speaker 2: It's been all over the place and we've had to
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  Speaker 2: I keep saying reinvent, but it's true offensively and out
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  Speaker 2: the year. Tonight, we just we got to get hard
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  Speaker 2: enough the three point line late. I thought Tim got
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  Speaker 2: a great look. I didn't want to call time out,
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  Speaker 2: let them sub out guys that don't want to guard
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  Speaker 2: out there, allowing them to control the possessional rotation, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately we miss and obviously Donald got the call.
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  Speaker 2: So just a really tough loss. Like I said in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, you have these. It sucks and I'll not
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  Speaker 2: sleep tonight. You know, the effort was there, but we
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  Speaker 2: just got to be able to close the game better,
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  Speaker 2: and we gotta do that on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what you mean by Donovan got
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  Speaker 1: the call. He got fouled, Yeah he did. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: why are we fouling with the second left?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that now that you mentioned it. That
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  Speaker 5: is a weird thing because the other thing I was thinking,
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  Speaker 5: I know, you wouldn't have won, but you had two
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  Speaker 5: timeouts and a challenge left. What's like, why not just
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  Speaker 5: throw it out there and just see if something else
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  Speaker 5: can happen? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean the challenge?
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  Speaker 5: There's point nine on the clock.
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  Speaker 1: When that foul happens, you're gonna lose that challenge. It
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  Speaker 1: was a foul, but.
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  Speaker 5: You had two timeouts and a challenge left. Maybe you
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  Speaker 5: just say, here, he threw his shoulder into him. Try something.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, but there's something to get this. You
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  Speaker 5: don't want to make excuses because it's large than just this.
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  Speaker 5: But vic, I know that Jokic is on the minutes restriction. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: in a close game late where you're trying to close
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  Speaker 5: the team out, I'm sure it is a little bit
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  Speaker 5: weird that with four minutes left in the game, Valentiunis
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  Speaker 5: is still in because you have to you have to
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  Speaker 5: figure out when is the right time to put jo
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  Speaker 5: Jokis back in for his minutes restriction, but also to
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  Speaker 5: try and close out the game. And maybe Joker at
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  Speaker 5: that point is he He's never been in a situation
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  Speaker 5: where he's on the bench and then with three minutes
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  Speaker 5: left he has to jump back in the game. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't think there's a minute restriction
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  Speaker 1: that went out the window in that Knicks game.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I definitely think there is. Nah, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think there's a minute restriction. Before he was hurt.
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  Speaker 5: The last time he played thirty three minutes in the game,
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  Speaker 5: that wasn't a blowout was win. It's it's been years
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  Speaker 5: years since that I know.
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  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, I guess that there doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be a minute restriction.
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  Speaker 5: Well there, I'm there obviously is Valentiunis is not in
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  Speaker 5: that game with four to fifteen left if there's not
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  Speaker 5: a minute restriction. Yeah, but they're winning too, not by
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  Speaker 5: a ton, Yeah, I mean they were up, but you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to close out the game. Yoki just coming back
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  Speaker 5: in if he doesn't get hurt. Fake he's back in
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  Speaker 5: that game with eight thirty left in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I just think there are too many little things that
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  Speaker 1: add up to a big thing. The little things, the
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  Speaker 1: clutch gene that suddenly lacking, the defensive breakdowns late, you know,
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  Speaker 1: gave up a three when you knew that a three
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  Speaker 1: would tie. Yeah, the foul with a second to play,
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  Speaker 1: the turnovers with under a minute to play. I mean
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  Speaker 1: add up all of the little things and you get
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  Speaker 1: the big thing. And the big thing is you're fourteen
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  Speaker 1: and eleven at home, and that is unacceptable. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you asking, yes, I did it, I
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  Speaker 1: got it done. I know thanks to James Sanchez Vita
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  Speaker 1: Saloon so it's gonna take some time getting used to.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. I thought at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the show you did the chat beat chee
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  Speaker 5: and you're like, I can't do this. Then you sent
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  Speaker 5: the picture. I'm gonna be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, be honest. I want honesty.
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  Speaker 5: I actually opened up my text. I was sitting next
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  Speaker 5: to my wife. She saw it. Yeah, and she goes,
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  Speaker 5: what is that? I said, Vic had this whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: He saw Ricky Martin at the super Bowl and he
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  Speaker 5: got jealous and so he wanted to dye his hair.
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  Speaker 5: So after her initial shock of your hair change, she said,
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  Speaker 5: actually doesn't look that bad.
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  Speaker 1: That's what she said, because I have a professional working
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  Speaker 1: on it. Well, and you didn't.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't go crazy with the color either. It almost
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  Speaker 5: still looks a little like there's a little bit assault
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  Speaker 5: in there, like like you didn't go crazy. You didn't
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  Speaker 5: go Ryan Day. That's the key. You had to be
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  Speaker 5: like yet to ease it in, ease it. I think
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  Speaker 5: it looks all right, Nellie. What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I think it's tasteful. You didn't go
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  Speaker 4: full like wave shooting where you look like a skeleton
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  Speaker 4: with a pomp it or I think you did it
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  Speaker 4: the right way.
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  Speaker 1: Skeleton. God, this is making me feel great.
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  Speaker 5: My immediate reaction, don't Yeah, it was a skeleton.
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  Speaker 4: He looks like a skeleton wrapped in masking tape with
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  Speaker 4: a pompot. Or you did not go that route.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's tastefully done.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Nothing changed at home with the nuggets they lost.
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  Speaker 1: I thought again, replenishing my look would help, would crossover.
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  Speaker 1: It did not. My immediate reaction, I'm not gonna lie
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  Speaker 1: to you, because this is what happens when you have
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  Speaker 1: hair change. And you know, my wife's there holding my
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  Speaker 1: hand every step of the way. First of all, it
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  Speaker 1: takes a long time to do this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, how long is that?
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  Speaker 1: I was there for like an hour. That's a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, you just go in. Do they
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: do some stuff on there?
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  Speaker 5: Do they do like is it the the tinfoil with
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  Speaker 5: the paint stuff on it?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, they No, they just put some stuff in there.
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  Speaker 1: Put some stuff in there. But my immediate reaction not
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  Speaker 1: to lie to you, because I'm this is all about honesty.
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  Speaker 1: I looked in the mirror and I said, I'm gonna
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: have to call him sick tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Oh you were. You were mortified initially because you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's just such a fun because you see those little
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  Speaker 5: things that are different as I'm not to call him sick,
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  Speaker 5: can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: But then the more I I wore it, I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is me circa twenty fourteen fifteen.
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  Speaker 5: So wait, what was the reaction of like Katie and
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  Speaker 5: Dempsey and everybody when you walked in last night?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Katie's usual liked it because she's a nice person.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Katy's never going to say anything mean. Nice people
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  Speaker 5: react nicely at Midwest Nice. Yeah, most of the guys
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  Speaker 5: looked at me and said, what the hell is that
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  Speaker 5: in your head?
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  Speaker 1: I want to vomit? I want to vomit. Actually, Dempsey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think even recognized me when I walked in.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, why is this random running around? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: But it's fine, Let's just get that out of the way,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: get it out of the way, and let's focus on
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  Speaker 1: the topic in hand.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So a lot more to get do with the Nuggets,
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  Speaker 5: and we will throughout the course of the show. Today.
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  Speaker 5: Adam Schefter is going to join us at nine o'clock,
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  Speaker 5: it is in AVS Ticket Tuesday. Despite the ABS not plying, well,
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  Speaker 5: you got a pair of tickets to give away the
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  Speaker 5: twenty sixth, the abscause you gotta do this every three weeks?
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  Speaker 5: Wait weeks?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: How much is it?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you every three weeks?
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Was it pricier than you thought?
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  Speaker 1: James hooked me up?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I got you, But you know the yes, every
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  Speaker 5: three weeks?
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  Speaker 1: You know I'm not gonna do.
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  Speaker 5: I've got the discipline for that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the discipline to do the way. I
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  Speaker 1: barely have discipline to run my hand through my hair
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  Speaker 1: in the morning.
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  Speaker 5: So wait, what happens after three weeks?
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  Speaker 1: cruise you did? Oh yeah, when doves cry hammered that sucker?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: When was the way? What year? I did this? About
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago?
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  Speaker 5: Oh so you had like this hair like you're ready
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  Speaker 5: for it again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the worst cruise of well, my one
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  Speaker 1: and only cruise of my life. Never yet again.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I feel like I wouldn't like
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: a cruise. People. Some people love cruises. I know they're huge,
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  Speaker 5: you're in jail, but yeah, I would feel too constricted,
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  Speaker 5: like if I wanted to get off the boat. I
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  Speaker 5: just want to get off the boat and I can't.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Sorry, not for me.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, when you did your karaoke, did you nail all
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the weird Prince noises like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: All the oh, all of it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: You did it? Okay, good for you.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: It helps to have the words because I don't remember words,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so the words are in front of you. Yeah, so
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you really go to work.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Would you need your reading glasses right now if you
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• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Anyway, VIC, So something I wanted to get through here.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: That bothered me yesterday. It really bothered me. After championships
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: are won, they do the immediate. Here's the odds for
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: next year thing?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm unbothered by the Super Bowl odds for
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: the Broncos. That is not something that that bothers me
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: as much. So I look this up.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Odds don't bother me at all. Why why you bothered
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: by odds?
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Well, there's just one thing. Just let me get this out,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: because the Super Bowl part, I don't really care. They
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: have a whole bunch of teams in front of the Broncos.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: And you know what, if I had to make a bet,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: the Broncos probably aren't winning fourteen games again next year,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: because that's really hard. Okay, going fourteen and three is
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: like an impossible ask. But for the Super Bowl winner,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: it goes the Seahawks are first to repeat. Then it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: the Rams, the Ravens, Bills, Packers, Chargers, Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, Patriots, Niners,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: and then Broncos. So they're a little bit far down
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: the list. Whatever, Here's what does bother me? In What
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: world do people think and what evidence are they basing
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: off of the Chargers being the favorites to win the
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: AFC West? Explain that one to me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. I don't know the answer to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that because I saw the same thing you saw. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: don't know. If you tell me the Broncos, Moser's voting,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Moser's throwing the money out there.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Well, Vic, hang on, I think the Chargers are a
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: good football team with a great quarterback and a great
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: head coach. And if you said I think the Chargers
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: got a shot to win the AFC West next year,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, I agree with you.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: If you tell me they're the favorites to win it,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I go based on what?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Well, let me let me build the argument for you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Would they finish a game behind the Broncos?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: No, they finished fourteen and three? What would do they're eleven?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, two games behind the Broncos?
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Three games.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I can't do math. Three games behind the Broncos. What
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: if I told you that they have an offensive line
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that's intact and they don't lose their top offensive lineman
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sure early in the season, they don't lose their running
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: back for half the season. Yep. Maybe they're looking at that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're looking at the Broncos now having to face
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a tougher schedule, a first place schedule that'll bring them
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: down to the pack a little bit.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: All of that I agree to. There's no reason why
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: you put them even over the Chiefs.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: To me, that's fine.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: You could if you said the Chiefs are the favorite
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: to win the AFC West and be like, you know what,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: they won nine of the last ten years. Maybe they
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: had a down year. Okay, fine, I get it. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: do you know the last time the Chargers won the
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: AFC West Because I actually looked this up. Take a guess,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: what do you think that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Was the last time. It's got to be Philip Rivers era.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's we're going back to two thousand and I'll say
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: two thousand.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And eight, two thousand and nine. Yeah, and it was
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: literally almost the day that Obama was sworn in for
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: his first term. That's how long it's been since they
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: won the division. Their head coach at that time was
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Marty Schottenheimer. It's been a minute since that team has
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: won anything.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the reason is because when Peyton Manning got here,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the Broncos dominated the division. Then Patrick Mahomes dominated the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: division and they took their turns and Chargers were shut out.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: So I could see that. You know, listen, the Chargers
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: are a good team. They're a competent team. They have
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that quarterback that people always seem to think is the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. It's an easy pick to make in my opinion.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: They brought in Mike McDaniel.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: And didn't they just bring in Adam Gase. Let me
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: just talking about who He hasn't had a job since
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty? Is that right, Nelly? Is he in? Is
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: he with the Chargers? And oh he gets signed somewhere?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it was his first NFL gig in
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: five years.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Well, he's been consulting, he's been counting his money. He's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: been fine.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's with the Chargers as what on their staff,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: just as an assistant.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Offensive assistant coach role.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can you help me? Understand why the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Chargers play in LA and not San Diego. I just
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: can't stadium right, build something down there. San Diego is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a good sports market. They loved the Chargers back of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Is that why they left?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't get public funding for the stadium, so they bound.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly right. I mean they couldn't get the the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: tax breaks that a lot of these owners are getting.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get what they wanted, so they moved. But
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they they belonged in San Diego. Yeah, that team belongs
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: in San Diego. I don't know if they'll take them
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: back at this point. A lot of bad blood, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: let's just get that over with.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Tell you, I went to San Diego one time. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: never wanted to leave. That place is amazing, That's.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: What I How how can you leave? I don't know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: That's a hell of a town. They even like, they
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: love the padres there and that park downtown.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's a park. Well it's all they've got now.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I mean they used to have a basketball team, the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: San Diego Clippers. They moved. Football team was there? I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: thought forever they moved. There's no reason for that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's funny though, because I was looking through like
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about this after seeing the Chargers of
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: the favorites still win the West, and how far down
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: they were on the Super Bowl odds, and how many
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: AFC teams were above them. And again I don't it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: not that I totally disagree with all of that stuff.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: I think you could say that Broncos had a great
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: deal of luck in fortune that came their way. They
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: earned it. But your record in one score games was
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: abnormally great. Your injury luck up until the very end
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: was abnormally great. So what do you need to do
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: to try and maintain this? Go get a running back
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: right in its skill position talent running back. I would
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: take a wide receiver, you know, David and Joku has
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: now said he's leaving Cleveland. He'd be on the market,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: somebody I wanted to here for a couple of years now,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: big body guy that can move the chains for you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: But I looked at Sean Payton's first round picks throughout
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: his head coaching career and I went back to his
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: last sixteen first round picks. Do you know what, He's
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: only drafted three skill position players out of those sixteen. Now,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: his track record on those is really good, but it's
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: only three times. It's almost all defense or offensive lineman
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Bonnicks obviously, Brandon Cooks said a long successful career, it
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: all worked. And mark Ingram who was a very successful
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: running back in this league. So track record is great.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: He just rarely does it well.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He has a philosophy, and I think the philosophy is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a good one. You start in the trenches and you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: build a team inside out, and he's right, look what
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it did for the Broncos. It works. Yeah, it's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: sound philosophy. At the same time, you got to fill
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in those skill positions at some point in the Broncos.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Now that they have that Russell Wilson money back, they've
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: got some change to go take care of it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: You used a term a lot when the Broncos sucked
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: regarding guys like von Miller. Do you remember what you
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: called them?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: A luxury item.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: You're in position for luxury items now. Yeah, it's time.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: It's time to have the fun stuff. It's time to
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: the things that are shiny and dangly, like we need
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: that stuff now, time to die your hand, Yes, exactly right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: You've got everything else fixed.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You have disposable income go fix yourself.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's time, and I think that they're gonna make
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: it a priority now. The way that is most successfully
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: done is through the draft. That's how you do it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: But take what you can get, and if there's somebody
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: on the free agent market that you think is too
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: good to pass up, then go ahead and grab that guy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Because here's the other thing, Vick. For the first time
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: in a long time, they mentioned it at their exit
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: press conferences, George and Seohn Payton. Denver's a destination now.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: It's places. It's a place that people want to be
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: and you could tell that last year, you know, with
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the Hufanga and green Law signings, there was an aggressive
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: effort from the Niners to bring them back and they
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: both are like, no, Yeah, Like, Denver is a place
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: that I think people want to be at now because
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: they see when you have a defense like that, you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: going to be in the conversation every single year. You're
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: gonna be a playoff team every single year. Fungo is
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: a home run we all agree on, I mean, amazing run.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Now, Greenlaw, with the injuries up and down, I still
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: think you retain them if you can try to whittle
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: down his salary. Great. I don't know if you'll be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: successful doing that, but they're gonna have a dirth of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: linebackers here. Singleton's a free agent, Stanod's a free agent.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, can you really afford to take your entire
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: linebacker room and shove it aside?
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: No.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: And I know that there's a popular thing in the
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: NFL now where it's like, oh, linebackers are a dime
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: a dozen, you don't need a star one. It's like, oh, yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: well what if you get one that's really good? Because
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: that matters. That matters a lot. That's why VIC, I'm
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: almost convinced we're gonna build ourselves up into this lather.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: And I know they're gonna have a late first round pick.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: We're gonna be like, hey, I've identified this wide receiver,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I really like her, this running back I really like
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: in the draft, and they're gonna like inside linebacker is
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: gonna be the choice, and we're just gonna be like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: damn it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Really now that you have some money to spend, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: remember free agency hits before the draft, yep. So they're
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you what they'll do in the draft based
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on what they do in free agency.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Or what's available to them in free exactly.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll, they'll, they'll give you a sign of what
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: if you can afford to go that route in the draft.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: By the way, you mentioned next year's expectations on how
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of these odds makers currently have the Chargers
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: winning the West. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes lines up at quarterback to start the season.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: No Kansas City. The way these athletes are overcoming these
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: ridiculous injuries, the kind that would put you out for
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a year and a half in years past. I don't
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know if you've heard about this. Jason Tatum, I know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: who tore his achilles less than a year ago, is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: now working with the Celtics G League team. He's been
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: assigned to the G League. He's playing in games, he's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: coming back and this dude, what you know an achilles terror?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: It was May May twelfth, and now he's gonna what
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: do they call the main Celtics or something like that,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: their G League team.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know who they are, but the fact that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he's playing competitive basketball. He's assigned to practice with the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Celtics G League you know, you say you give him
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a month there, just a month to work it out.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: He'll be back in March. That's a ten month rehab
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in recovery for an achilles bro.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Hang on a second, I'm reading this article from NBA
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: dot Com. It says Tatum when was this? Was this yesterday?
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Tatum back on court four months after Achilles rupture.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. I remember seeing it. I remember
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: seeing them work out what's happening. Oh they're QC cannadiating that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. But would it surprise
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you at all if Patrick Mahomes is under center for
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the opener in September?
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Not me, No, No, I'm expecting it. I'm really expecting it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: I know you talked to Kevin Demoff out there at
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: the Radio Row where he said he was trying to
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: find teams to play Week one in Australia, and he
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: goes the gamesmanship that's involved, like you try and get
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: the Chiefs in case Mahomes isn't ready to play then, right,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: because they're going to be on the schedule, why not
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: try and find a week that you can play them
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: against maybe a Mahomes less Chiefs. There's a lot of
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: that going on. I'll tell you right now, if somebody
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: said that they think the Chiefs are winning the division
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: next year, I'd be like, yeah, I totally accept that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I think that's fine. The Broncos are going to have
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: a lot of work cutout for him to pull this
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: back to back. Like it's been so weird in this division,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: vic because it's been dominated consecutively year after year by
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the same team, and then it just kind of flips.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: So it's like it was the Broncos forever with Peyton Manning,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and then the Chiefs took over, and then the Broncos
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: won again, and I think people just assume that this
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: is gonna be like, oh, since we won it this year,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be the next three years as ours. Not
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: the case. It's not how this typically works. Just been
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: weird in the AFC West, So that's always kind of
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: been that way. When one team wins it, it's theirs
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: for a long time before somebody takes away from them.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It's a transition. Yeah, rights, unless you're the Broncos. In
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you lose a Hall of Fame quarterback, you lose a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame pass rusher. Yeah, all in one fell swoop. Yep.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You know they both walk away from the game, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that happens. But if it's a slow process, it takes
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a little time. Hey, did you watch last night the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: two fights that emerged in the NBA. Yeah, we're officially
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: at that point in the season because the All Star
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Game is normally when you think of the All Star break, Okay,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: we're at the halfway points. Let's take some time off.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's not the halfway point, ladies and gentlemen, the All
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Star break. These days, the way they set up the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: schedule is near the end of the season, three quarters
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of the season is done. When the Nuggets come back
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: after the All Star break, they only have twenty seven
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: games left. It's the stretch run. Yeah, so these teams
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: across the league, they're just tired now. Yeah, the dog
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: days are here. They're tired, and you could sense it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: They're fighting each other last night Charlotte Detroit, that was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the longest fight I've seen on an NBA court in years.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Well, it starts with this Jalen.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Duran and I can't remember the name of that Charlotte player,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: but Duran says, take your face and get it out
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of my face. Talk to the hand.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: He's palming his face like a basketball. That is so disrespectful.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Well the size of.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: His hands, okay, by the way, in that fight, it's
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: weird to say this. By the way, these are like
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: the two hottest teams in the Eastern Conference because Detroit's
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: number one, and I think that Charlotte was riding a
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: nine game win streak.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They were on the longest wind streak of their franchise history.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: I know there's intense rules behind this. I can't remember
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: what they are. And I said this to you when
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: the Pistons played against the Nuggets the last time, because
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Isaiah Stewart got into it with Valentiunas, and I told
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: you I would hit him with a cattle prode for
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: the next three quarters because he's gonna want to fight somebody,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: and you can get him kicked out of the game.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: He came off the bench to go swing at somebody.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Isn't that like an immediate five game suspension or something
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: like there's an intense rule that if you come off
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the bench during a fight, you're out for a while.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Isn't it my wrong.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Dare He's gonna be suspended, by no doubt about a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, he's got he's facing a hefty suspension here.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Plus he's got a checkered history, right, He's got the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: resume to back it up. He's been suspended before, he's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: been teed up before. Yeah, big Stew's got big problems.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: So first, that guy is scary, by the way. Yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen Isaiah Stewart like up close. Oh, he's sprinted
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: off the bench. He didn't just walk off. He sprinted
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: off the bench for more.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: He's a big guy who wants to fight you while
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: the Hawks he's by the way, I think I saw.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: It was his eighth ejection of his career. It's second
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: most in in Piston's history. And remember they had the
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: bad boy Pistons at one point.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had Rashid Wallace.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're two different bad boy Pistons.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the the other game. I don't know if
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you saw our boy Luke what's his name because Mosher
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: changed his name, Jacque land.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Lance Cocktail, That's what it was. My name is Lucas
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Okay perfect.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: He had a scratch across his neck as if a
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: wolverine tried bite him. Nas reed got into his neck,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: something fierce. The Minnesota Atlanta game.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Also an intimidating guy, Nazria. Yeah, you know what, I
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: hate how much I like nas Reed's game. I really do,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: just because he's in Minnesota, and I don't want to
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: give any of those guys any credit, but I really
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: like his game. But there were actual fights yesterday, you know.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. When we get back
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to the NBA a little bit later, I'm gonna tell
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you what the Nuggets are facing when they come back
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: from the break twenty seven games to play. They're going
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to play and I can see it right now, It's
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in my brain. It's there. I can feel it. They're
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: gonna play one of three teams in the first round
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of the playoffs, and I'll ask you which one you
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you'd rather see. Oh my gosh, look at that scratch
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on Lance Cocktail's neck, right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is just like a tiger cloth. Well that's reminder.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: By the way, keyword for this hour is cry so tech.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Set in your first and last name to three zero
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: three five four oh nine two gives you a chance
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: to win AVS in wild tickets on the twenty sixth.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Back after this, All right, Vick, so you said he
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: had something Nuggets wise that you wanted to get to.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, come again, said you said you had something
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: about the Nuggets that you wanted to get to.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeahond Okay, So they lost last night. They led
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: by eleven twice, they lost by two. It was a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: bad loss. It hurt to lose that game. They know it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Coach Adelman said he was gonna lose sleep. Yeah. But
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: here's the reality. Okay, here's the reality. I think we
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: all understand. The Nuggets. The chances of catching Oklahoma City
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that's out the window.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was out the window the second
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: that Jokic went down with his injury.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's now six and a half games that separate
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the two of them. It's not like out of the question.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: The Nuggets would have to go on a fantastic run
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: in the second half. They have to go on a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: twenty seven games left, they'd have to go on a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: twenty five and two run. Yes, that's what it would take,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: YEP to overtake Oklahoma City. They're now three games behind
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: San Antonio, So now you gotta work your way back
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: in the second place. If you can get there. They're
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: only a half game ahead of the Rockets and the Lakers.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Lakers lost to Oklahoma City last night. Okay See did
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: not have Shay, the Lakers did not have Luca. After
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the game, Lebron admitted he said Lebron after losing to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: OKAC he said, the Lakers are not a championship team.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: That team over there, that's a championship team because they
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: played full sixty minutes. That's what he said. Yep, he
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: admitted as much. So I'm looking at the Nuggets standings.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: They're in third place. They're gonna end up playing because
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they'll finish anywhere between second and I'll say fifth at
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this rate, they're gonna end up playing one of three
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: teams in the first round of the playoffs. Take your
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: pick here, Minnesota, La, Houston. It's gonna be one of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: those three teams. Okay, just to understand that's what it's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Because if you finish second, you would get
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: your pick of maybe Phoenix, Golden State. That'd be nice,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: right Yeah. If you finished third, fourth, or fifth, you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: got Houston, Lakers, Minnesota, all three of those would be
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a war.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: It would be. I The way I think about it
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: is this, if the Nuggets are the team that we
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: thought they would be at the beginning of the year.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: It shouldn't matter, and they're healthy, it shouldn't matter.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: The only team that you should be thinking about as
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: a potential threat should be Oklahoma City. That should be it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But you feel the same way today.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Well, certainly not right now, not with how their rosters
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: like shaping up. Like I have a lot of concerns
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: about even if they get healthy, which is no guarantee.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Like I know that Watson and Gordon sometime within a
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: month to month and a half, we're gonna be back
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: in the lineup, doesn't mean that everybody else that's healthy
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: right now is still going to be in.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's the thing I mean, you know, you assume health,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and with this team is unhealthy as they've been, you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: can't assume anything.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: No, And that's sort of the problem that I have,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: is that are you going to have enough time to
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: play together? Because I know there's like eight hundred different
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: things that we've talked about as to why the Nuggets
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: have struggled, not just at home but late in games.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Part of it, though, I think, is just playing with
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: the same group of guys every night in these types
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: of situations like who was on the floor at the end.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Of the game.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Was Strather on the floor last night?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: No? Who was it? Tim Hardaway? Hardway? Yeah, Hardaway was
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: on the floor.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: If you're healthy, Hardaway's not gonna be on the floor.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: What depends what you need. Yeah, I'm Jutra's had a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: great couple of weeks.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: I did want to say, out of all the things
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: that we've said negative, like Julian Strather has been a
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: bright spot.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: He's been fantastic. You know, he's a guy who went
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: from not even in the rotation. Remember he had that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: back injury, comes back from that back issue, doesn't even
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: make the rotation. Remember when the when the Nuggets were
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: storming through the month of January without like four starters. Yeah,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: there were games where Strawther didn't even see the floor.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: And it's weirded me out. And now it's gotten to
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: the point like Zeke was getting a bunch of playing
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: time early in the year. Now he can't get on
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: the floor.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Too many rotational permutations going on.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Well, and this is what the kind of wanted to
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: get to think about this for a second, as this
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: is the deepest team that the Nuggets have ever had.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: But because the injuries, they're back to an eight man rotation,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: which is like what they've always done. But if you
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: go to Jokic, Murray, Christian Brown, Aaron Gordon, cam Johnson,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: there's five. Then you have Peyton Watson, you have Tim Hardaway,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: you have Ruce Brown, you have Jonas Valanciunas, you have
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones. That's ten dudes. You can add Julian Strather.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Jalen Pickett is still getting playing time, although it feels
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: kind of like he's just playsholder minutes. But that's twelve
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: different guys Vick that I've mentioned that you would at
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: least moderately to really trust if they were to have
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: to play in the postseason. I know they aren't going
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: twelve deep, but that's what it looks like when you're healthy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: They just haven't been there the entire year, and that's
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: what's frustrating. It reminds me of some of those AVS
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: years where it's like, I don't even know how to
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: valuate the team because the teams that they haven't played together,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know what they're different teams.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: You look at three different teams here, But you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the one thing that scares me and scared is not
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the word. Concern is the word because this part of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the season, it's like fugazy, it's not real, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: with all the turnover it's it's my hair, it's fo gayzy,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: nothing's real about it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: The one constant you always had with the Nuggets is
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Joker and Jamal, Jamal and Joker, the two all stars,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Joker and Jamal, Jamal and Joker. What I can't come
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to terms with. Tell me why with those two in
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the lineup, why their clutch record is not very good?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Whether it's five and ten in the clutch.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: That's the one. Like I know that not having a
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: great home record is a problem and a big concern.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I'm far more concerned with closing out games.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Make that makes sense for me because they're the best
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of the league at it, the Denver Nuggets for years.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: The year they won an NBA championship, they were the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: best team at doing exactly that. It's close, they got it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. What is happening.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Is this the Nuggets power play percentage, the thing that's
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: typically been great and we don't know why it's struggling now.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Now, now, allow me, because we discussed this on our
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: post game show last night with Katie and Chris, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: they brought up a couple of reasons why. And again
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you could say these are excuses or you can call
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: them reasons.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Say what you want.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: The lineups, because there are so many different lineups due
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to injuries. Guys aren't in the proper spots in those
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: closing minutes like last night. Maybe Ag runs the baseline
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: like he supposed to you, you got an easy pass.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe Peyton Watson cuts and you got an easy pass.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So you got guys out there that normally aren't in
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: that situation, and it confuses and convolutes the entire process.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. I don't know the answer. Is that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: an excuse or reason? It could be.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: At the same time, Tim Hardway had a wide open.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Look for three, and I would take that shot every time. Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: He Just if I said to you you got a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: wide open hardaway three with under a minute to play
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to win you the game, would you take it?
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean he's been that good this year.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, the events that took place in the finals. Ion
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: still don't think about everything that had to happen. You're
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: up by three, you turn it over. They need a three.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Desperate for three. You know that you can't allow a three.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: James Harden in some way clunks into three in the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: most unlikely fashionate. It's James Harden. I don't know how
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: he does it. He finds it right, you miss a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: three and then you fouled the guy with the second left. Yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I guess I'd have to go back and look
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: at that last play over again. What was happening there?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Would he have been able to.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Get a shot off in time, It wouldn't have been
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: a good shot. I almost think because it was on
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: the perimeter right, I almost think Jamal thought that he
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: was going to try and run to an open spot
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: for a three. So it's like he got out and
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: got aggressive with it and by the time he realized
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: he was driving, his body was already into him. Yeah,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: so maybe Jamal was like, he's gonna take a step
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: over here, stop and pop, and I'm gonna close out.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And then Mitchell just kept running. Yeah, point nine seconds left,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: He's got his shoulder buried into somebody. Here's the shot.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: This is what it would look like. It would be
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: left handed. Just through it over your head a prayer.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it shouldn't matter anyway, because you know, oh, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: send it to overtime. It shouldn't have gone overtime, shouldn't
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: even been in the conversation. You're up by eleven in
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, shouldn't even been a conversation starter. Something's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: going on in the final minutes with this team that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: they've got to fix. They gotta fix that. And I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: don't know how you fix health. That's just that's nothing
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that's fixable.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: It's just time.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how you fix that. Those
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: are the two things. And then third one, which is
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a result of the first two, is I'm sorry. If
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you want to win an NBA championship, you can't be
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: near five hundred at home. You just can't. Am I
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: off there. I mean, if you're listening to the show
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and you're a Nugget season ticket holder, what's happening at home?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Because I'm stuck most of the time up in that
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Colorado social so I don't get the pulse of the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: crowd up there. What's happening at home?
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: The next closest team with that kind of record at
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: home is Portland, who's sixteen and thirteen. All the other
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: teams ahead of them the top eight seeds eighteen and nine,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: seventeen and nine, eight.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Contenders, right teams that have a shot to get to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the title game. Oklahoma City at home twenty two and five,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: San Antonio at home nineteen and six, Rockets seventeen and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: six at home, Pistons in the East twenty one and six,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Knicks twenty one and six, Celtics seventeen and nine. No
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: double digit losses among those teams. Yeah, the Nuggets are
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: fourteen and eleven.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not good enough.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And of the top ten seeds in the Western Conference,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that's the third worst home record.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: YEP three oh three, five O four oh nine two
• 47:05
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• 47:08
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