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NCAA Tournament Preview with Jake Dunn, Michelle Garmon, Mike Hutsell & Grant Shouse (2.101.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome college basketball fans to a special edition here of the college basketball report on the central Indiana sports report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's time of the year, best week of the year, the two best days and sports are coming up later this week on Thursday and Friday with the NCAA tournament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to be talking in CAA tournament here today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Grant Shals with Mike Hudson and Jake Dunn, of course, Greg McGill here as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fresh off the bat, I'm curious, your thoughts on the selection committees, process of getting some of these teams in here, especially the bubble teams and getting my amy of Ohio in the field, who usually in the Mac would be a one-bed league and they get in at 31 and 1.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the bracket in terms of matchups is also set pretty decent as well, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really feel like for the first time in a long long time, you really can't look at the field and really the seeding as a whole and say, boy, they really mess this up or they mess that up and last year when we were, I felt like all four teams in Dayton could have been replaced by four other teams in Dayton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really think there was anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: close to that this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Miami Ohio, they said yesterday wasn't the last team in which surprised some people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for the most part, the bubble was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knew the bubble was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it kind of took care of itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: SMU being the last team in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really have a problem with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They probably were the.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the the worst team on the bubble and probably the best of the crappy bunch that was out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You had some surprises.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The eight and got two teams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Matt got two teams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The West Coast got three teams this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are things that typically happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But overall, this is probably as good a year as I've seen the committee do in terms of the field and the seeding of the of the actual teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Michelle Garmin's with us now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the tip of the tip of Tribune and Elwood Collier and we'll get to her thoughts in a moment Michelle, but right now we're talking, the field is a hole and talking about kind of the matchups here that the selection committee got us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jake, I'm curious, your thoughts on the bracket is a whole so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew with Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the committee did a really good job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad Miami of Ohio
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[SPEAKER_00]: devalue the whole regular season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they didn't really play anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still really hard to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you're not playing great teams, it's still hard to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 30, you know, in the regular season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad that they're in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad the University of Nepotism University of Auburn was in, or I was not in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they did not get in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they were that great of a team and I was kind of a bruised prohator, some I'm glad they didn't get in, so I was surprised to see, as you see, runner up Vanderbilt as a five seed and they had some struggle but they finished off the, uh, finished off the year really well and, uh, nine seed you tell state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I could have been a little bit higher, they're really, really good mid major.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm also hate or I will wait, but having them as the 11th seed thought was a little low tube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good with how the bracket turned out, like you said, Grant, a lot of really good matchups.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't have any blitz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The eight nine matchups as always are real big toss ups and they're fun matchups like Ohio State and TCU I think will be a really fun game to start off the the Thursday slate and then y'all
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I'm going, but I'm really looking forward on Tuesday and Wednesday to the games in Dayton, where you get UMBC and Howard the 16s, playing each other to start off the tournament on Tuesday followed by Texas and North Carolina State and then Wednesday,
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the NCAA tournament just 45 minutes from their campus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty amazing and I'm glad they're in Michelle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious your thoughts on Miami of Ohio Well, I'm gonna disagree with you guys a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miami of Ohio should not be in a play in game 31 and no is not an easy seat and they should be rewarded for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they'd lost in the tournament to a team that
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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't have Frank Martin as it's coach it really good coach but I just I don't think they should be a place to play in game I really don't I think they should have been rewarded for being 31 and 0 in their regular season they keep changing these metrics so these power of four conferences teams with losing conference records can you make the tournament I also don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: They won in a regular scene in conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They deserve a higher seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to reward Purdue, who stumbled down the stretch, what didn't even get the triple buy in the big tent, you're going to reward them with the two seats, you can't then punish St. John's by fault and give them these days gave them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's more my complaint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying Purdue shouldn't be right, too, but I just don't think you can
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[SPEAKER_01]: sit there and say, well, Purdue winning the bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a poor seeding job on their part.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So sending Rick Patino to San Diego is dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little close to Tijuana.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm all saying that I'm all trying to defend like, you know, Rick, Rick, Latino or anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know Purdue played a really good schedule, but I felt like they kind of got a favorable number two seed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My thing was I thought the big 12 deserved two number one seeds and I thought that Houston or Iowa State both should have been ahead of Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was pretty surprised that Purdue was
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is one of the only things I've got that I kind of was scratching my head about again I know Purdue was obviously rewarded for winning four games in four days, which is really impressive But Michigan State beat Purdue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they go head to head, but Michigan State beat Purdue and Michigan State gets the three and Purdue gets the two seed in their region.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually agree with you, Greg.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, think about this, Greg
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[SPEAKER_01]: last year Michigan won a big tournament and they weren't rewarded for it, they did not move up, so that's my problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it did not reward Michigan, last year, many has got to get some consistency.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they were rewarded for their big 10 tournament championship nearly as much as they were for how many top 25 teams they played and they played more than anybody in the country.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I think they were number two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they should have been up to see that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think this was a little bit of a water-funny-it-level thing where in a past the committee hasn't valued the Comments tournament as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think by default, they kind of wanted to do that a little bit more here, and I think Purdue was kind of the example of that, I'm glad you brought up St. John's Michelle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of forgot about them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably should have been higher as well for when in the conference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they'd be a three, not a five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Woof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, I thought they would be a three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a five is really, see, that's the Jake, that's my thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to value the conference term, but with St. John, they did not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: consistency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all anyone really ever wants is consistency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you reward one team for, but don't another, that's not a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to put both UConn and St. John in the same region was also atrocious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if any of you are looking at a bracket in front of you, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming Jake is too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious and I guess I'll start, but what would be your big upset in the first round of the tournament?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think one you have to think about now and this is not what I thought when I initially saw the bracket, but just with recent developments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my upset pick might be Hofstra over Alabama now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with Alabama losing aid in Halloween because he got arrested on Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how Alabama responds to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they handle that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be shocked if Hofstra ended up winning that game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Start with Mike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What would be your big upset pick at the first round here in the entire tournament?
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[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, NATO has already reached out and signed Lamar Wilkerson for the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's technically not out of eligibility.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, big upset, uh, off the top of my head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody wants to go to South Florida, or Louisville.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I see that or not.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's just kind of trendy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One that I've kind of looked at, and I don't know how big of an upside it would be, but I kind of like Santa Clara and that match up against Kentucky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, me too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another 10's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another 10 seed I'm on is A&N.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have Saint Mary's and round one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just can never get on the Saint Mary's bandwagon for better or for worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just they don't really ever jump out at me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I went with Akron in a 512 over Texas Tech, just because of some of the Texas Tech.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The season just could not have gone worse for Texas Tech from an injury standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You lose top and they've kind of been normal since then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They probably played themselves down from about a three seed to the five line and nobody's really arguing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that would be that those those games would be the ones that would most jump out at me is the most likely upsets.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Guys, I think there are about five games early Thursday that could all be upsets in a really chalky kind of tournament.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Troy against Nebraska, I think Nebraska is counting on their first win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't be surprised at all, Troy wins that game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mike mentioned South order could definitely beat Louisville.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think high point in Wisconsin will be interesting as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then VCU and North Carolina, of course, without Caleb Wilson, I think VCU is kind of a trendy pick too, but I think it could be a wild Thursday in a tournament that's not going to be wild and all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't Carolina playing in green throw?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're in South Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not ready to write Carolina all this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're in it for the season 16 run or anything, but I think they can get that first game out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hofstra High Point games like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those just seem like trendy picks at some point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We saw it a lot last year in the NIL era.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't see these big upsets, like you've seen in the past.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These crazy, helter-scalter tournaments.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Until I'm proven otherwise, I'm gonna go pretty chalky with my picks, but I think the seven, 10s and the six, 11s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are where your upsets are gonna live for the time being in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Except for Nebraska is going down just a Nebraska Nebraska is not going down They're going to make history this year Hey, are we sure that the Alabama kid won't be playing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had guys arrested Evolved the poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need almost doesn't care if you As long as you get out of jail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll play you
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[SPEAKER_03]: If it was up to oats, I'd 100% agree with you, Michelle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw the kids bond with set it five grand for his bond.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you can get out for like 50 cents at that point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Alabama as a as a school has removed him from campus on the cusp of the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that is the school's way of saying Nate, it's not happening this time, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't go to the courts and get this one done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The, I saw on a very, very reputable Alabama message board that Bruce Perl made a call to get this get arrested.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bruce Perl is, I don't think we realized he, he kind of runs things around the world these days.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So, Jake, how about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's your upset pick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, all right, I know, you and C is playing in Greenville, South Carolina, but I like to be see you as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agreed with Santa Clara with what Mike said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like those are my, my main ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll throw in South Florida there to a plain, plain buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw where South
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[SPEAKER_00]: New York, I'm kind of up in that area, his dad is battling dementia, he's never seen him coach a game in person because it's not easy for him to travel with that, so this would be the first time that he'd be seen him in person coach, I was like it's going to be kind of an emotional aspect of that game, and I excelled forward with my pull that one off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and one of the big things I've always noticed about the NCAA tournament over the years is the the matchups you can see that are made for TV.
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[SPEAKER_02]: TV dictates, I think, not all, but some of what you see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A prime example right off the bat is the first four game with Texas and North Carolina State.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that game dick-by-town and Charles Barclay are calling that game they're calling a game they're doing it with Brian Anderson and it's the two power four schools that are playing their date and ratings aren't going to be as good for Charles Barclay and dick-by-town call that game as they would be if they were doing the Miami SMU game so I think that's why that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's part of the reason that game is being played on Tuesday, and it's kind of the match up there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, kind of do some digging, and the NCAA will send teams, they'll have a good crowd that that's always a given.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Houston, it's worth noting that if they were to advance to the sweet 16, would be playing at the Houston Rockets arena, just two miles from their campus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They would pretty much be playing a home game in the sweet 16 and a lead eight to try to go to the final four and then you think about other teams like Purdue won't their fans won't have to travel as far from Indiana to St. Louis and just other things one of the other matchups I like is the the ice table up in the top right hand quarter with Arizona and Long Island I think that'll be a good one so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Den's that baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You talk about made for TV matchups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She talked about Houston there for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A sweet 16 matchup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kelvin Sampson against Illinois.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No love lost between that school and that that particular coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No and and even on the way in Penn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with Brad underwood in Fran McAfrey who went out at four years in the big ten that's also one of those that's also one of those given strike there kind of a rivalry renewed and to get to historic programs potentially like you still lay and you con together in the second round and then going back to what Michelle said about that east region that's loaded with your with kind of your blue bloods there with Duke and Kansas and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Michigan State, you can use the LA even Louisville's a historic program that that I really like that that's the one I'd like to see some upsets get thrown in there like a cowbap This and they were to beat Kansas, which I don't think they will, but I don't remember don't ever write bill so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got two titles using a first run game any time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got two titles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely and I think that I
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, that east region there, the coaches that are involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got Shire, Jamie Dickson at TCUs now going to a 16th NCAA tournament, Patino, Bill Thelph, is though, Crone and Johnny Dawkins, Dan Hurley, just great coaches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a who's who of coaches in that region.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's probably the most competitive region.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Looking at Purdue here, we're Purdue gets to open up with
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[SPEAKER_02]: Miami and Missouri.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how, but maybe this is the eye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of the jealousy in me from an IU fans perspective, but it always seems like Purdue just gets what could be a great draw to make it run to the second weekend every year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I kind of heard you Jake talk about it there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I jumped on at the end of the Purdue report, but I'm curious your thoughts on Purdue's path to try to get to Indianapolis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, that's what happens when you're a top seed, you have a somewhat favorable match up there with one of the concerns I was brought up during the Purdue report was if Missouri beats Miami and approved beats Queens Haven't played Missouri and in a quasi home game forum we talked about how the game is especially close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have other teams there like I was state is is also playing there in St. Louis
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they're not on the same side of the bracket, but, you know, if you're a neutral fan, it's natural you're going to root for the upset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if something happens in Missouri's, close them with Purdue, you know, as the game goes on, you're going to have more and more Missouri fans cheering for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think Purdue has a pretty good role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Purdue can absolutely be both of those teams that they would face in the second round if they were to advance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more worried about Gonzaga since Purdue's kind of owned that matchup here recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they were to make it, they can definitely get beat by BYU or whoever advances out of that matchup with either Texas or in C-state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I've been in
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wisconsin and Arkansas, Fay both advance, that's going to be a really insane matchup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have two really good teams with really good guards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously we talked about Arizona's being a wagon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I picked Purdue to go to the final four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's smart to anything can happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hopefully I'm kind of open pretty as a little bit of luck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: before they would meet up in the Elite 8 and hopefully pretty we can get a good matchup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not want to play Wisconsin again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am tired of playing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I produce, I've got a decent shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they play better as underdogs too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they do go up against team like Arizona, I think naturally there's these play better as underdogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these four seniors have played better that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're other whole careers.
20:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I tell you what, you talk about the coaches in the East, but let's go to the coaches in the West, man.
20:48
[SPEAKER_03]: There's some shady March resumes going on in this, you got Tarni.
20:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Tarni Lloyd has got some spotty moments in March.
20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Calaparries got just a since 2020, just a laundry list of laughable losses in the tournament.
21:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Matt Painter has, I don't know if Matt Painter has had any sketchy losses in the tournament as it lost to which well,
21:13
[SPEAKER_03]: 14, no, as a loss to a 14, a 12, a 13, a 15, and a 16 at any point in his career.
21:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's ever been brought up by me before there's some fun going on and then you got Dennis Gates who I don't think anybody's ever going to confuse with James Neismeth coaching at Missouri and I
21:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, uh, it's it Greg guard not not exactly a my, you know, my stroke and march himself, you have lost as a has lost as a low or seed and I think three or four straight tournaments.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I get Kevin Willard there at till and know this well.
21:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
21:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, swarve and Kevin, man, the do you liking.
21:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, that's uh,
22:07
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God.
22:08
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe Gavin Jones.
22:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Jay Lucas, he took a team from nowhere to the number three seed in the ACC this year.
22:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And not Jared, Jared Calhoun, Jared Calhoun, probably your next coach at some high major.
22:25
[SPEAKER_03]: This is fun, Jake.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.
22:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never once, and I was thinking about this the other day, I'm 52.
22:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never once seen a Purdue draw on selection Sunday
22:37
[SPEAKER_04]: that they didn't get a good draw.
22:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is no exception.
22:40
[SPEAKER_04]: There were definitely some tough ones out there as a potential two or three seed.
22:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think they got the best potential draw they could have gotten, except, of course, I think Arizona is the best team in this whole thing.
22:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I kind of want to talk final four in national champion predictions.
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just going to tell you straight up right now.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's
23:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be the same thing as last year.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be in all one party in Indianapolis.
23:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to have Duke Florida, Arizona and Michigan in the final four.
23:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to take, uh, I'm going to take Michigan to cut down the net.
23:20
[SPEAKER_04]: And because you're going to be a one and two party, I think it's going to be something like Arizona used in Iowa State.
23:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be all ones and twos.
23:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I should iterate here that.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want it to be in all one seed, but just these, these are, I feel the four best teams.
23:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's easy to say that it's going to be in all one seed after what we saw last year.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll talk about that tournament was hopefully this one's not near as, as chalk.
23:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree.
23:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it will be too.
23:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why I think that all one seeds will get there to the final.
23:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the champion's been out of the big 12.
23:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm still waffle in between Iowa State, Arizona, and Houston, but I'm going to take Arizona, Jake.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the big 12 definitely has the best chance to win the championship.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: My final four was Purdue, Michigan, Houston, and Duke, so I'm going to the camp for the one and two party, and Indy.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had used it as my national champion getting revenge from last year against Florida and the elite and then beating Duke in the final four to go up against Michigan in the championship and I have been over Michigan.
24:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm the guy is going to throw the crazy wild card of actually putting up three seed in the final four.
24:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting a little wild here with my picks, but.
24:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I won't have a percentage of agreement with you guys on the big 12.
24:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the champion comes from one of those three teams.
24:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know Jake.
24:58
[SPEAKER_03]: You were probably at the ACC grant.
25:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you were watching the Iowa State Arizona game may have been the best college basketball game.
25:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
25:08
[SPEAKER_03]: In the last.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: five years.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Just the shot making and everything going on.
25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just wild down to the to the last second.
25:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It literally came down to one shot at the end, but I do have
25:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I do have the cyclones in the final four knocking off Michigan in the elite aid.
25:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I went with Arizona over Purdue, so you could tell I'm going quite heavy with the big 12 right now.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: So they were probably let me down.
25:41
[SPEAKER_03]: In the south I did take Florida over Houston in the rematch.
25:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think the one conference is going to put three teams in I do think one of those three teams will win it and it'll probably end up being Houston now that I've said all this and my final fight of 14 is I'm going with is a I have them winning.
26:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes
26:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Winning the East, I'm not completely sold on UConn this year.
26:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're unbeatable as the two seed.
26:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And I have St. John's knocking off dudes in the sweet 16th.
26:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So I had Michigan State beating St. John's in the final lead A game to go.
26:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But my national champion, I went with Iowa State over Florida in the final.
26:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think there will be a big tinty in the final four.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, I have it, but I do think the same John's in UConn where to play again.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be very hard to get three wins over UConn.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: In the same season, I'll take UConn.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I will take Arizona.
26:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take it.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I was taken the Midwest over Michigan.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So that gives me UConn.
26:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I was taken.
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Arizona out west and Florida in the championship.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if Purdue gets there, that's great to them.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It really isn't.
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And if a big kid team gets there, that will be good.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I do think Michigan is to do or tell him is, though, I think he's a great coach.
27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I think we're all telling you how to do it.
27:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we even heard about Illinois in this entire podcast.
27:24
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's a good team.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on how they're going, but still annoying is hitting shots outside, they are a big threat.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I think with Boswell, they have a point yard that can help get them there, but since they have those injuries and players and kind of missing and then coming back, they seem to kind of have lost a little bit of that chemistry they had there for a while, the mid-season, so it will be interesting to see if they can regain that the tournament.
27:58
[SPEAKER_03]: just like we said in the big tent or gray guy just feel like Illinois was a team that played its best basketball in February.
28:05
[SPEAKER_03]: At that point in the season, they were a really really good team with a player playing in all American, NBA lottery pick type level.
28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, whiglers, he's come back to the pack a little bit and
28:19
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like like Michelle said they got some of these guys back from injury and it just kind of threw off what they had going.
28:26
[SPEAKER_03]: They got Boswell back.
28:27
[SPEAKER_03]: They got So y'all could have it back.
28:29
[SPEAKER_03]: You want those guys back if you're at Illinois.
28:31
[SPEAKER_03]: They're talented players, but it seemed like it threw off what other vibe and chemistry they They had at the time and they just haven't gotten it back.
28:40
[SPEAKER_03]: They struggled down the stretch.
28:42
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't win a big ten tournament game and they don't.
28:45
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a great Ken Palm offense.
28:48
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just don't think they'd defend it and they'll lead a lot at least enough level where if they get into a matchup with Houston and the sweet 16, that's going to be tough for them to overcome.
29:03
[SPEAKER_03]: We can all agree here, right, none of us want McNee State to win, so we don't have to look at that dork with the boob.
29:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
29:12
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
29:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
29:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I am all for there being March Madness Legends like your Jack Golki's of the world and like your Fletcher McGee's.
29:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Like dug it dug it or dug it or dug it or like like those come naturally.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the biggest industry plant that dude last year that I've ever seen in the NCAA tournament and it had zero charm to it.
29:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was the cornyest thing.
29:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching the entire year and quite frankly added to what was just a bad tournament last year.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I had a huge smile on my face when Purdue just basically dominated them in the tournament last year.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I really agree with the grant, uh, uh, American, you know, he was, he was at McNeese with full weight or weight against the job in MC State.
30:12
[SPEAKER_00]: He tries to go with them.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently he was getting paid like, and I held to do that.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Checked it and go through, he went back to McNeese and yeah, it's, it's just, I, I clearly agree, Grand, I, uh, I have Vanderbilt's blows
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Good day, I hope he gets his LinkedIn ready.
30:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Graham, let's research if you've done on Tuesday night's games.
30:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a whole lot.
30:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I do know that Texas and North Carolina State played each other during the regular season.
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And Howard was in the first four, two years ago.
30:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Texas was in the first four last year, of course.
30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It was in 2018 when UMBC was the first two teams to
30:52
[SPEAKER_02]: beat a one seed as a 16.
30:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've got some tournament baggage with them.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to two that I think Tuesday at the first four is probably the better to match ups of the two days.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I think the second game Wednesday with Miami and SMU will be just the heck of the game there at Dayton.
31:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to both or just Tuesday?
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to both, I originally got tickets for Wednesday.
31:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting to see when Miami was going to play.
31:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I hopped on them quick.
31:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And then decided to pull the trigger and go Tuesday.
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm staying the night there in between and I'll come home late Wednesday, early Thursday night and then get ready for the two best days of the year on Thursday and Friday.
31:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Sean Miller's one year away from getting that first four named after him.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: If you play in it three years in a row,
31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking and again, he, the Miller family knows stranger to Dayton with his brother little archie there being the coach at one point and being in one of the first times they had ever done the first four where they beat Boise and got to play on their home floor.
32:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's pretty neat.
32:06
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a college basketball fan and you live somewhat near dating, if it's not that much of a headache to get to, I'd encourage you to go to it.
32:15
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a lot of
32:17
[SPEAKER_02]: people there where in Dayton, my dad's from Dayton and people really eat that up.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: The locals over there really eat that up and enjoy it and really have a good time and buy tickets.
32:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of just local people who don't really have a rooting interest that go to it just because it's kind of a tradition at this point and it's good for the local economy over there.
32:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't encourage you to go.
32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't encourage you to go even if you're kind of from the eastern part of Indiana.
32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that far but drive there to date and so it's pretty fun.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I always enjoy it.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, things actually, it's a small area but it is pretty neat because I went with Derek was there.
33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually hosted the first two grounds and that's where I used to sit.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Grant Maya, cousin of her husband will be at the
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: first four tomorrow night, they, they lived.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got tickets and they went over to it.
33:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
33:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
33:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and my dad actually graduated high school net building and played high school games in that in that arena.
33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's not a bad seed in there.
33:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's really cool.
33:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Did Dayton still host the first four the year that the attorney was in Indiana,
33:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And those were great games, I remember them.
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: That, in my opinion, and then we could talk all day about it, but that tournament, the year, it was all an Indianapolis and all an Indian.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought was one of the better tournaments.
33:56
[SPEAKER_04]: We could do that all the time.
33:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just do that all the time.
34:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all for it, and you'd be in the full time, final four hours, that's been proposing over years.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be, and I know it's back in India in 2029, but it should be an India at least every four years in my opinion.
34:15
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not going to do it every year, because they're going to want a NAR, they're going to get it to Vegas in 2028.
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually going to be in Detroit next year.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't force an Indianapolis next year.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's right, it's right.
34:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just moved those games are actually the final four games are actually going
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: usually the plan and when in B.A.
34:38
[SPEAKER_02]: arena, but those are actually going to be at Lucas to oil next year.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're still doing the NIT.
34:45
[SPEAKER_02]: single every year, right?
34:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so I think that's kind of become an a permanent, a permanent home for it.
34:52
[SPEAKER_02]: What's cool this year is every champion chip will be in ND so you'll have the D2 or the D3 and D2 championships and the NIT Final Four in championship that they're playing the NIT semi finals on Thursday of the final four weekend.
35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of start the weekend and then they're going to play the championship.
35:13
[SPEAKER_02]: on Sunday night at gain bridge and hoping to go to all three of those games of what should be a good day of basketball and on top of it that Sunday I'm going to a free-making maroony concert so this could be the best final four of all time in my opinion if for do's not in it boiler up before we check out and I know they're not going into the G2A tournament but I would like to
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: can graduate that month on an outstanding coachy career in the, wishing him the best in his retirement.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did see on Twitter today some by suggested as a fundraiser that Ohio State Butler ought to play every, a game, every year for charity and a rotate between Columbus and Indianapolis.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was actually kind of a cool idea, but
36:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw someone called that mod of the Gale Sares of College Coaching and it actually kind of fits.
36:14
[SPEAKER_03]: That's health, betrayed him, probably cost him a Hall of Fame career in the long run.
36:21
[SPEAKER_03]: He was just...
36:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude was on it at Ohio State and his feet and his back and everything, all the issues that he had, he just never could physically seem to invest himself in the way that he needed to move forward.
36:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a shame too because that guy was
36:41
[SPEAKER_03]: amazing when when he had it going at Ohio State.
36:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And that dude is one of the nicest people you'll ever encounter in college basketball.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Super down the earth very friendly, very approachable.
36:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've always, I've always rooted for Butler.
36:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say I'm a Butler fan, but I've always rooted for Butler and followed Butler.
37:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully his replacement will be kind of a slam dunk and hopefully they can get the ball moving there in that program that's
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: At one time was really, really good and it's kind of fallen by the way side a little bit and a really good big ease or if you could get Travis steel, who's a Butler alum, I don't know if they'll want it.
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard Ronald Norrad, who was a great player in that program who's in assistant with the Hawks and the NBA is also a top candidate as well.
37:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Creen, baby.
37:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be all for it, man.
37:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Be all for it.
37:38
[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks, guys.
37:40
[SPEAKER_07]: Go Cyclones.
37:43
[SPEAKER_07]: Get going up.
37:48
[SPEAKER_07]: I can't wait to overdo wins this whole thing.