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  Speaker 1: Shane Hewitt and the night Shift Podcast. Joining me now
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  Speaker 1: with the Happy Friday roundup panel is Andrew Caddell, as
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  Speaker 1: always mister reliable, here hanging out with us. Andrew, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: Hey there, all right, and where do we find Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Caddell today?
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I'm in Gamaraska, but somehow the internet's
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  Speaker 2: not working, so we're going to have to go the
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  Speaker 2: old old.
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  Speaker 1: School way, old school on the telephone. Jimmy Zubras is
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  Speaker 1: on vacation. He'll be back with us here in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weekends for us. I followed Jimmy Zubers on
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  Speaker 1: his Instagram. He looks like he's having a heck of
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  Speaker 1: a time, My god, as you look relaxed and happy
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  Speaker 1: and refreshed. That's nice too. Special guests filling in John
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  Speaker 1: Lidkey from Windsor popping in to say hey hey, John, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: hey good, it's been a minute. Glad to see you
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  Speaker 1: back here hanging out on the show and putting up
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  Speaker 1: with us. We're looking on a Friday night. Nice to
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  Speaker 1: see our social calendar has not improved so the last
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  Speaker 1: time we talked.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to get connected, with with our guys,
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  Speaker 1: you can easily do exactly that. Edward Cadel is a
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  Speaker 1: town councilor in camera asqu Quebec, columnists for Time, Hill
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  Speaker 1: Times in Ottawa, president of the Task Force on Linguistic
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  Speaker 1: POLI and so much for He's a previously a diplomat,
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  Speaker 1: ministerial advisor, broadcast journalist and so much more. John Lydkey
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  Speaker 1: as a broadcast radio host, reporter, an opinion columnist. You
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  Speaker 1: can often hear in Money Am eight hundred clw In Windsor,
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  Speaker 1: co host and producer of the Rose City Politics and
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  Speaker 1: a member of the SEGA. That's a terrible acronym. It
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  Speaker 1: hard to say for people like me. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: dig into this sabbaticals. Have you ever taken a sabbatical?
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  Speaker 1: Can you go on sabbatical? It's just part of the
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  Speaker 1: conversation from earlier on in the show, how do you
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  Speaker 1: take a sabbatical? And how to destroy your finances and
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  Speaker 1: destroy your career? Andrew Caddell, how do you take a sabbatical?
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  Speaker 1: And have you ever done it?
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  Speaker 2: Actually I've done a couple and they really worked for me.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Europe when my wife was appointed as
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  Speaker 2: a diplomat in Geneva, and it was complete change of life.
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  Speaker 2: I became what they call the trailing spouse and had
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  Speaker 2: to find work as a consultant. I ended up doing
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  Speaker 2: actually reading the news on the local radio station in English,
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  Speaker 2: which I did as a volunteer activity, and I got
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  Speaker 2: involved with the plays the theater, and eventually I ended
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  Speaker 2: up working for the World Health Organization through contacts that
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  Speaker 2: I made. Then I came back to Autawa after five
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  Speaker 2: years and I did my master's degree in journalism. And
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  Speaker 2: that was a sacrifice economically, and I thought it would
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  Speaker 2: be major sacrifice, but in fact, because I got a
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  Speaker 2: master's degree, my salary went up, and within about a
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  Speaker 2: year after I got the degree, I was back to
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  Speaker 2: the situation. Actually I didn't lose any money. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I gained money. And so it ended up over the
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  Speaker 2: three years that for the two years of academic and
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  Speaker 2: then the work that I did, it all balanced out
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  Speaker 2: so there was no real mom So I'm a big,
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  Speaker 2: big advocate of sabbetic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh very good. Well, I did not know you had
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  Speaker 1: a master's degree. But doctor John Lidkey is here, PhD.
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  Speaker 1: And awesome, take that, John, I've how's that for a resume?
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  Speaker 1: To follow up on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, glad to follow up on that one. Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 3: Really appreciate that. Heat it up the other way around.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. Uh, you know, listen about working for
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  Speaker 3: myself primarily, it's all pretty well sabbatical in that sense.
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  Speaker 3: So it's all about dealing with the finances and making
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  Speaker 3: sure that you're able to sustain yourself, you know throughout
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  Speaker 3: what that period is going to be, and you want
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that you're always you know, improving yourself,
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  Speaker 3: trying to find things that you can do that's going
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  Speaker 3: to benefit yourself. It may be your community, whatever that
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  Speaker 3: may be. And so that's what I try to do.
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  Speaker 3: Well I'm in between projects, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me watch about that. Self employed means often
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  Speaker 1: no days off. That's one thing for sure that people
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  Speaker 1: go through when you do get a moment. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of break do you take, Because some people take like
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  Speaker 1: a literary break, some people will take a musical break,
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  Speaker 1: some people take a quiet break. Some people will exercise
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  Speaker 1: or just go on a trip. They go to a
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  Speaker 1: mountain and sit on it. Like what kind of sabbatical?
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  Speaker 1: Air quotes if you will, Self imposed refreshes John Lidkey
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  Speaker 1: to be the best that he can be.
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  Speaker 3: Exercising is something very crucial for me to be able
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  Speaker 3: to disconnect from the world that we have, just get
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  Speaker 3: into my own head, to get connected with my own body.
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  Speaker 3: I love to read, I love to listen to audio books.
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  Speaker 3: It's really just about trying to separate myself from the
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  Speaker 3: world of stimuli that we all deal with that's coming
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  Speaker 3: at us at all given time.
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  Speaker 1: Love it eder cadell for you today? What is the
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  Speaker 1: air quotes sabbatical self imposed that you find as your
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  Speaker 1: biggest refresh today? That gets your mind clear? You're logical
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  Speaker 1: thinking clear, Maybe it's your heart clear. What do you do? Hi?
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  Speaker 4: Bike?
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  Speaker 2: I get on the bike today. I did eighty six
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  Speaker 2: kilometers and it really did. It clears my head, It
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  Speaker 2: strengthens my heart, it cuts down on my weight. I
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  Speaker 2: can pretty well eat anything and I'm still in shape.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. That's for me is the biking is great.
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  Speaker 2: And my wife bikes too, and I think it really
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  Speaker 2: provides a benefit.
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  Speaker 1: For her too. What's okay? First of all, how many
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  Speaker 1: kilometers today? Eighty six? Okay? Do you want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how old you are? Can we show that? How
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  Speaker 1: old do you ride? Seventy three yea seventy three years
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  Speaker 1: old and riding eighty six kilometers on a bike. How's
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  Speaker 1: that for impressive?
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  Speaker 5: A wow?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what's really I'm aiming to do two thousand
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  Speaker 2: for the year by the end of the month, and
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  Speaker 2: right now I'm at seventeen fifty.
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  Speaker 1: I think, wow, for the year by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the month. It's July. Just so you know, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about being a keener my goodness. Uh okay, well that's inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: If I haven't heard anything inspiring so far. For the
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  Speaker 1: day to day, let's talk about Hulk Hogan as our
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  Speaker 1: first topic of the day. A man who passed away.
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  Speaker 1: He changed in industry, he changed people's lives. He also
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  Speaker 1: could never really seem to turn off. What was Hulk Hogan?
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Cadell, your first comment.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I never really would have got into into wrestling
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  Speaker 2: from the very very beginning when it was on when
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, But I you know, because because
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't. Boxing to me was real and and and
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  Speaker 2: and you know, very violent, but it was real, whereas
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  Speaker 2: wrestling was obviously fake. On the other hand, the showmanship,
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  Speaker 2: the entertainment value, numbers of millions and millions and millions
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  Speaker 2: of people who followed Hull Hogan and who hul Cogan
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  Speaker 2: actually made wrestling sort of an acceptable TV entertainment sport.
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  Speaker 2: And so I I think he'll go down in history
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  Speaker 2: as being a pioneer in that sense. And he ended up,
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  Speaker 2: i think, in the latter part of his life being
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a caricature, but also being being just
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  Speaker 2: sort of living off his celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: John Licky were your wrestling fan, what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on Haulcochan?
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  Speaker 3: I was never a wrestling fan growing up. But for me,
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  Speaker 3: all Cogan was always mister Nanny, to be perfectly honest,
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  Speaker 3: that was an early nineteen nineties movie for me. He
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  Speaker 3: was just a top culture celebrity who you know he
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  Speaker 3: embodied the mid eighties, late eighties, early nineties. He was
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  Speaker 3: a fixture of course what happened with Gocker and how
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  Speaker 3: he ended up bringing them down after there was the
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  Speaker 3: sex tape that was put out by them. He left
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  Speaker 3: an indelible mark on what the actual media landscape looks like.
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  Speaker 3: He's a figure that won't be forgotten. He's bigger than life.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Vanity because nobody ever knew Terry. Only
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  Speaker 1: everybody knew Haul Cogan.
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  Speaker 3: John, Absolutely, And that's the thing, and he talked about
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  Speaker 3: that when it came to the lawsuit and how he
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  Speaker 3: tried to defend himself, trying to separate himself from the
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  Speaker 3: character that he was, describing it as a caricature. It
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  Speaker 3: was a really interesting case and his life, his celebrity,
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  Speaker 3: is a very interesting case study. And we can all
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  Speaker 3: look at what we look to as celebrity and what
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  Speaker 3: that means through that lens of him.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Cadell thirty seconds. But is it a good reminder
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes the person we put in public is not
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  Speaker 1: the same as the person we are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say that anybody who's ever been in public
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  Speaker 2: life knows that there's basically two personas. There's the public
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  Speaker 2: persona and then there's the person. And if you ever
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  Speaker 2: become involved in politics or entertainment, you start referring to
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  Speaker 2: yourself and the third person because that other person is
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  Speaker 2: the person that's in the public eye.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting. Look, well, we are going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: some of the political things coming up for you next
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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday Roundup panel. John Leadky is here, Andrew Caddell
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  Speaker 1: is here as well. I'm feeling like I'm grossly underperforming
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  Speaker 1: in my fitness regiment. So I'm going to take a
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  Speaker 1: little break, do some sit ups, and then when we
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  Speaker 1: come okay, let's sit up, and then when we come back,
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  Speaker 1: we will get back to our Happy Friday round Up panel.
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  Speaker 5: Sam Hewett and the night Shift Night Shift Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday round Up Panel. Our guests John lead Key
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Caddell both here hanging out, sharing their thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: some of the stories and their fitness routines. Which is great. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Canada has a couple of days to sort out
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  Speaker 1: a trade deal with the United States. Donald Trump has
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  Speaker 1: been speaking about it, and here's what Trump has had
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  Speaker 1: to say recently.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't really had a lot of luck with Canada.
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  Speaker 3: I think Canada could be one with it just by
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  Speaker 3: taras not really a negotiation.
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  Speaker 1: Uh when was the last time you did an interview
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  Speaker 1: outside a helicopter, John Lidkey.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I no, never did that. Let's be honest. But
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  Speaker 3: this is this is really concerning here, especially you know
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  Speaker 3: in Windsor where I'm based out of. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: listened to what Flavio Volpe from the APMA was talking
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  Speaker 3: about how this if they go through decimates, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the automotive industry in Windsor and the spill off and
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  Speaker 3: what that could actually mean throughout all of Canada. Job
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  Speaker 3: losses are just immense if these tariffs actually go through.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, purportedly it's about fence and all, but
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  Speaker 3: we did so much the first time around when he
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  Speaker 3: said it was about fence and al and we already
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  Speaker 3: know that we aren't really the entry point for fence
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  Speaker 3: and all. And then you have his Commerce secretary talking
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  Speaker 3: about how they actually want market access, but what is
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  Speaker 3: that market access? The goalposts keep moving and how do
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  Speaker 3: you negotiate with someone like that? And I see criticism
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  Speaker 3: of the government and I don't. I don't care if
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  Speaker 3: it was going to be Qualiev or if it's Carnie
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  Speaker 3: or or whoever it was that was going to end
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  Speaker 3: up winning. I don't. You can't negotiate with someone who's
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  Speaker 3: erratic like this. And I don't think he actually wants
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  Speaker 3: a trade deal. I think he just wants to fight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to see who who in the background
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  Speaker 1: just goes he said, what you know, because they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do a deal, and then of course Canadians react.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Cadelli, your thoughts on that comment, because I do
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  Speaker 1: imagine that one of the reasons why we included this
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  Speaker 1: today is because John is in Windsor. There are places
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  Speaker 1: that are impacted more greatly than others, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And in Windsor you see it every day going to work,
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  Speaker 1: You see it every day going to have a beer
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  Speaker 1: with your brother and a play a French frise with
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  Speaker 1: your sisters. So it's a different tone in different places.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very hard for us to think
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the fact that we are dealing with
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  Speaker 4: someone who's a failed reality TV show host.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I did. I think he's a successful reality TV
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  Speaker 1: show host and he's living it today. This is his
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  Speaker 1: reality show.
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  Speaker 4: So Paul Wells, Paul Wells wrote a piece just today
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  Speaker 4: that I was just reading talking about the negotiations and
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  Speaker 4: had spoken to somebody I imagine probably Dominic LeBlanc because
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  Speaker 4: the way he described and he said his eyes bugged
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  Speaker 4: out when he asked him how the negotiations were going.
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  Speaker 4: And then Paul well said this, and the person that
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  Speaker 4: he was speaking to agreed absolutely. He said, it must
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  Speaker 4: be like negotiating with a roulette wheel. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 4: how I think it must be. Because this man does
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  Speaker 4: not have an attention span beyond about five seconds. He's old,
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  Speaker 4: he's probably got some level of dementia, and we're counting
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  Speaker 4: on that one individual to determine a complex relation of
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of billions and billions of dollars that goes across
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  Speaker 4: our borders on an annual basis. And on top of that,
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  Speaker 4: we have brilliant trade negotiators on the Canadian side, like
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  Speaker 4: our ambassador Christin Hillman, who have to deal with the
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  Speaker 4: insanity of these incompetent people that Trump has in his cabinet,
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  Speaker 4: like this fellow letnik who is basically just a toady
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  Speaker 4: and will do anything Trump tells him to. So it's
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  Speaker 4: it's it's extraordinarily depressing, and it's just not the way
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  Speaker 4: the world, the world's supposed to work.
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  Speaker 1: I don't dispute anything that you just said, Andrew, but
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  Speaker 1: do you really believe that guys like Trump are doing
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  Speaker 1: anything more than give it to me in three sentences?
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  Speaker 1: Did they solve this and and and move on? Because
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  Speaker 1: do you think he cares and even looks at the details.
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  Speaker 4: He makes Ronald Reagan look like Einstein?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, John Lecky?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's it's it's let's be honest, it's also
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a protection racket. He's he's sneezing. He's squeezing
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  Speaker 3: the margin out of producers and retailers and taking it
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  Speaker 3: for himself to put into the federal treasury. He was
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  Speaker 3: talking earlier today about how there might be a refund
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  Speaker 3: to lower income people of the tariff money. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: their own money, giving it back to them. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he plays this game where he talks about the countries
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  Speaker 3: are paying it, but that we know that that's not
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  Speaker 3: the case. But what is going to happen is, again
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  Speaker 3: the producers and the retailers are going to try their
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  Speaker 3: best not to raise their prices, so they're going to
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  Speaker 3: squeeze into their own margins. This is just good fellas.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nice business you have there. It's a nice country, Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we're dealing with here. And it's a shame.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I agree. I think that that's quite interesting down
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  Speaker 1: in the States. So they're calling it like the Canada
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  Speaker 1: tacks and all these things. Public perception. Accuracy is one thing.
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  Speaker 1: Public perception is another thing. Andrew, does it even really
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  Speaker 1: matter because everything you guys both described is what candidate
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  Speaker 1: has went through with the carbon tax. By the way, Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: what's what's the takeaway for Canadians in this, because we
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  Speaker 1: get made out to be the bad guy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the old story is that the the
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  Speaker 4: opera isn't over it until the fat Lady sings. So
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  Speaker 4: when one can hope that we.
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  Speaker 6: Still have uh, you know, some negotiating rooms, some room
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  Speaker 6: for for some a possible deal, and that the Americans
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  Speaker 6: will come to their senses, because certainly it doesn't make
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  Speaker 6: any sense for us and the Americans to be a
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  Speaker 6: longer hit on an economic basis because there's so much
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  Speaker 6: collateral damage in places like Windsor, and and and even
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  Speaker 6: places like Camarasca, where are our dairy farmers could be
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  Speaker 6: enormously affected.
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  Speaker 1: Your face looks disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: Me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm used to your expression, and I
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  Speaker 1: can I can feel it, like I can feel the
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  Speaker 1: disappointment in this. Yeah, John, you're you're you're right there
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  Speaker 1: in Windsor and you see it every day. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you must see some compromised relationships over it. The stress
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  Speaker 1: on the folks of Windsor. I just like the people
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  Speaker 1: in Vancouver, in Victoria, all of these border towns, right,
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  Speaker 1: what's it like, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, listen, I mean on the most minuscule of people
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  Speaker 3: who used to go across the border to buy groceries
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  Speaker 3: and came back the first time and got hit with
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  Speaker 3: an extra seventy five dollars tariff fee because they brought
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  Speaker 3: back teriff items that they had no idea. So they're
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  Speaker 3: not doing it again, to just not making those trips
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  Speaker 3: because they're concerned about security, which is a strain on families,
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  Speaker 3: on friendships, on work. The whole thing is just tenuous
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  Speaker 3: and it's disappointing. And you know, when you start to
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  Speaker 3: look towards different supply chains, like we're decoupling Canada, the
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  Speaker 3: world is decoupling from the US. And when you established
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  Speaker 3: new supply chains, Andrew knows this better than anyone else,
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  Speaker 3: you don't go back to the ones that you had before.
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  Speaker 3: It takes a lot. It's like a giant ocean freighter.
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  Speaker 3: It takes a long time to change your course, and
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  Speaker 3: it takes a long time to decide what your course
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  Speaker 3: is going to be once you change it. When it
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  Speaker 3: comes to supply chains, and I'll let Andrew pick up.
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  Speaker 3: I see that you jump in well.
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  Speaker 5: I you know, I as a trade officer, I used
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  Speaker 5: to go and talk to people about the possibility of
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  Speaker 5: using other going to other countries, and it was very
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  Speaker 5: hard to convince business people that they should change from
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  Speaker 5: shipping to the United States because it was so much
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  Speaker 5: easier for them.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're going to have.
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  Speaker 1: To, all right. So John Ladkey Andrew Cadell a Happy
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  Speaker 1: Friday roundup panel. You can feel the tone shift on
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  Speaker 1: that conversation as at the time the clock does tick
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  Speaker 1: down to the deadline of when trade deals are supposed
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to be done. John, great to see you, Andrew, thanks
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: as always for being here. Sank Hewitt and the nicest
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: much or the latest from the iHeartRadio app.