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155. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) · Inside Quotes

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  Hello and welcome back to Inside Quotes,
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  the show where my brother and I rewatch,
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  review, and relive the staples of our childhood.
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  This is episode one hundred and fifty-five,
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  and I'm your host Jeremy, and with me today is my older brother Jonathan.
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  Jonathan, welcome back to the show.
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  Quack quack everybody, it's great to be back on the show.
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  Jeremy, today we are joined by someone who worked on Disney's Pirates
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  of the Caribbean ride.
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  ~ the right.
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  Yes.
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  Which of course became the movie.
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  Well, the ride existed before the movie.
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  Precisely.
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  That's what I just said.
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  No, no, no, no, no. What you said was that the ride became the movie.
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  What I'm saying is that the movie became because of the ride.
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  Okay.
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  And therefore, if Kyle worked on the ride,
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  Yes.
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  And the ride is inspired by the movie.
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  Yes.
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  Then in a manner of speaking, Kyle
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  Here we go.
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  worked on the movie.
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  He did not work on the movie, Jeremy.
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  But without the ride there would be no movie.
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  That's not necessarily true.
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  Unless of
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  course were that the Kyle would be working on the ride,
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  Kyle wouldn't have worked on the thing that became the movie that wouldn't have
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  existed the without the ride.
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  That sentence got away from you.
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  The sentence knows
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  where it's going.
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  Kyle, welcome to Inside Quotes.
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  Thank you.
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  A man
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  who worked
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  on Pirates of the Caribbean before Pirates of the Caribbean was the Pirates
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  of the Caribbean.
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  That's technically true.
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  Sevy.
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  Somewhat.
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  That was the second best installment
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  No, his name is Kyle.
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  of the franchise that y'all just did.
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  Yeah.
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  That was that was great.
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  Yeah.
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  Why, thank you. That was probably my
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  Mm.
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  worst ever Jack Sparrow impression.
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  Meaning you
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  Mm.
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  have multiple Jack Sparrow impressions?
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  Well, I tried earlier and I I I d no,
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  I
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  can't do it very well. So
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  Gotcha. Well,
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  I want to be the first to congratulate you guys on just what a huge get this
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  is for your podcast. And I'm like trying to be humble,
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  but like if I was in your shoes and I was a guest on this podcast,
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  like that would be thrilling to me because when you think of the amount
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  of people that have actually worked on the ride and who are still alive,
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  it's definitely less than five thousand people.
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  So
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  ~ they're a small
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  Yeah.
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  pool to draw from, but you got one.
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  Yeah, but you're our first
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  You gotta fish.
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  ever Disney employee. Disney official.
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  Yes, I also have
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  the dirt. That's the other reason why this is such a big get,
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  is I No,
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  He's also not working there anymore.
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  so ~ the lawyers can try to find me.
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  They have no idea where I am. It's gonna take a minute.
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  They probably can, but I keep moving.
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  ~ I will spill any of the dirt.
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  If you're a lawyer, you can follow us on Inside
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  Quotes Cast on Instagram. That's where you'll find us.
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  You y you have a big big legal community following?
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  It says podcast big with the ~ the Yale graduates.
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  About to.
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  ~
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  hopefully.
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  Yep, so that's the other thing.
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  If you want to have a bonus segment where I just ~ air all
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  of Disney's dirty laundry, I am more than happy to do that.
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  We'll have to see. We'll have to see.
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  See where the see where it takes
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  Yeah, we should have had you on sooner.
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  See how much time we have.
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  us.
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  We've been doing this whole series of movies based on Disney attractions
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  and we could have seen what you knew
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  I've noticed.
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  about you know,
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  Ha.
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  like do you have any dirt on the country bears?
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  Brian DePalmas 2000.
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  boy, do I have dirt.
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  I don't know if I want to know.
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  You don't want to know what goes backstage.
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  The country bears. It's not all it's not all pots of honey,
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  let me tell you that. ~
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  Okay, okay.
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  Why would they have honey?
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  so
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  I have noticed y'all y'all have been doing a project.
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  You've been doing the movies of the rides.
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  And
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  Yes.
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  You you've you've been doing your homework.
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  The fact that you did Mission to Mars means that you are doing your homework.
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  You do know that Brian De Palma directed a movie based off the simulator,
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  Mission to Mars. That's been memory-hold,
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  nobody remembers it. but
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  Uh-huh.
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  Yeah, we had to find a YouTube
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  video of it from like someone had had it on a home video
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  Mm-hmm.
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  from like the eighties or something.
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  Mm.
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  The ri the ride or movie? Well the movie's from two thousand.
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  the no, we had to look up the ride on YouTube and it was from someone's like h yeah,
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  The ride. Yeah.
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  home video yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Now I think both the movie
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  And the movie was hard to find too.
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  and the ride are just kind of like a artifact of of time.
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  But ~
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  The fact that the
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  ride was closed down before the movie came out that's it's
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  That probably didn't help
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  anything. That was not the movie's biggest problem,
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  I'll I'll also show you how much we've been doing our homework.
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  yeah.
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  I bought this on eBay just so we could watch this.
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  I was just about to ask you. I was just about to tell you.
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  Just so we can watch this for next episode.
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  Ha ha.
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  I was gonna say you are missing one and
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  The Tower of Terror starring Steve Gutenberg
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  Are we gonna have
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  to have Kyle on for that? I've never seen so much passion for Steve Gutenberg.
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  and Kirsten Dunst. ~
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  That's right. That's right.
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  my friend, that is because it is twenty twenty six.
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  If I took you back to I don't know,
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  nineteen eighty-six, Steve Gutenberg was bigger than Elvis.
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  I don't know where he is now. Now that we have a legal community that
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  Mm-hmm. He He makes he makes hopeful and uplifting TikToks.
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  I'll take that.
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  is following the show, if we can have some lawyers try to find You know where Steve
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  That's
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  He made he's a TikToker.
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  Gutenberg
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  is?
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  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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  I saw him on a news story because he was a part of the Palisades wildfires
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  and he was like helping people.
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  He was like helping people in the community,
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  volunteering and stuff.
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  We literally had to burn down the Palisades to find Steve
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  Gutenberg. That is
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  ~ no.
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  how how deep in hiding this guy has been.
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  But yes, there is
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  Well, ever since he coached that soccer
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  team back in the nineties, he's just really fell off.
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  Mm. It he's that a real ~ Tower of Terror drop in his career.
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  I I have never seen this movie before,
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  It yeah.
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  Kirsten Dunst as so
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  so I'm I'm looking forward to watching it.
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  So that one is a ~ made for T V A B C what was that?
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  W Wonderful World of Disney, yes.
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  Wonderful world of Disney. No.
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  Nineteen ninety-five, I wanna say?
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  You checked it back. Ninety six,
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  ninety seven? Ninety seven, final answer.
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  Mm. I I wanna say ninety seven.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay. Yeah, so Steve Gutenberg and Kirsten Dunst.
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  Kind of different trajectories and they meet right in the middle there.
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  Career trajectories, yeah.
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  Traded Fames Wow.
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  Yeah, this is kind of where they meet.
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  Now I did have
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  that movie on VHS. I had the clamshell.
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  Okay. Okay.
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  once again, I cannot tell you a single thing that happens,
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  except that there's a tower, and some pretty terrifying things happen.
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  Pretty
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  Mm-hmm.
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  sure there's an elevator. Lots of ups and downs in that movie.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, there's your review so far.
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  I almost ha I almost invited
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  you on our next episode too.
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  Alright, what's let me see, what would be the next Okay,
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  so two thousand three. I don't remember the chronology of that entire year,
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  but I think if you haven't done it already,
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  it should be Eddie Murphy and the Haunted Mansion?
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  That is going to be our Halloween special that we have
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  Mm-hmm. Halloween pick.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Bryce Bridgman on every year. So
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  Mm-hmm.
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  we're gonna cover all three of them.
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  But mainly the Eddie Murphy one.
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  Okay, there's three haunted mansions.
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  There's the Muppets one that came out,
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  and then there's a scarier
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  Muppets. Gotcha.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Danny DeVito version that just came out on streaming like three years ago.
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  Yes, I remember that one. I think it came out
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  So
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  in feeders because I was working at Disney when it came out.
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  Okay. Wow.
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  It
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  was a little bit longer than that.
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  Yeah.
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  Well the Muppets one is just like a little special and it's not even good because
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  it has Matt Vogel.
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  There's a Muppets
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  Media item that is not good.
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  Did Jason Seagal not ride it? What happened?
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  Probably not. No. You mean King Midas of the Muppet World?
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  He didn't. No. If if the ~ Kermit is
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  Yeah.
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  If Kermit's voiced by Matt Vogel,
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  then we're just like we're out immediately from the start.
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  Yeah, it's just gross. He He's not even
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  We can't accept his voice.
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  Did they
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  did he ever get back together with
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  trying to sound like Kermit.
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  Miss Piggy? I remember that was a big PR nightmare we had it.
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  More
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  on and off.
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  Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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  That was tough one.
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  I think they've worked some things out.
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  postmodern
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  Muppets, I don't really know if that's working.
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  Yeah. I I was
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  I saw their wedding in Manhattan and everything,
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  but it's it's a shame.
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  They really took Manhattan, didn't they?
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  Will they ever give it back? Have to wait for the sequel.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  let's talk about a real movie because this movie is gonna take us forever
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  to talk about, I'm sure of it.
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  Probably the best, besides Country Bears,
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  Disney attraction themed ride.
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  Would you agree, everyone?
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  Agreed. We have an accord.
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  Alright, well that's all we need to hear.
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  And then yeah, we have an accord.
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  This is actually our second movie in a row where the main character wears
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  a lot of eyeliner. How crazy is that?
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  That is true. I will give you that one.
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  Ha ha.
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  They should have brought Gary Sinise back for this one.
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  He's too spacey to be a piratey.
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  He could not be a pirate. Actually,
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  Spacey
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  he might.
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  as in as in like he goes to space in Apollo thirteen or spacey as in ~ Kevin Spacey,
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  Kevin.
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  'cause yeah, wood that would be pretty piratey to me.
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  I Kevin Spacey has some pirate in there.
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  Is he canceled still?
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  Yeah.
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  He's trying not to be, it's not working for him.
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  Okay.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  ~
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  Okay.
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  You can't uncancel yourself as it turns out.
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  Let's make let's keep it that way.
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  Ha
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  ha ha.
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  Alright, well, Kyle, we brought you on because you are an actual
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  ex employee that actually worked on the actual ride of Pirates of the Caribbean.
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  With that being said, Jonathan,
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  do you have any history and fun facts about the Disney ride?
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  All right, so before covering this movie,
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  I wanted to watch the behind the attraction episode on Pirates of the Caribbean.
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  So it's a it's a series on Disney Plus.
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  It goes through a lot of the classic rides at Disneyland,
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  Disney World, gives a little bit of history.
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  This episode in particular talked a lot about the different iterations
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  of the ride through time and at the different parks.
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  So how it how it's evolved from
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  one park to the next over time.
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  ~ but the the ride was inspired by Walt Disney's love
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  of pirates. He was a big pirate fan of like the Treasure Island book was
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  one of his favorites. And then you know,
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  he saw all those old pirate movies from the early days of Hollywood and stuff.
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  So he wanted some kind of story ~ revolving around pirates.
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  So that's what kind of originated the idea for this ride.
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  ~
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  And I had heard that he he did not he he passed before the ride ~
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  was like open to the public. So he didn't get to see it in all its glory,
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  but he did go on like a test version before he passed.
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  So unfortunately he didn't get to see,
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  you know, you know, on opening day.
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  Is he one of the skeletons now?
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  That's dark, Jeremy.
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  Sorry.
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  Everybody
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  He's
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  not one of the skeletons. The head is under the the under the ride.
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  knows he's cryogenically frozen underground.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  That is a question I got asked at least
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  three times a day. Is Walt Disney's head under the ride?
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  And the answer is
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  Good to know.
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  if it was, I would not be able to tell you.
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  Yeah.
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  But now that I don't work for the company No,
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  Mm. No, no.
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  that's a stupid, stupid
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  Ha ha ha.
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  theory. Of course his head is
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  not under Pirates of the Caribbean.
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  so one of the things that I I learned from from the episode was I know that
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  the Pirates of the Caribbean ride is famous for like its waterfall.
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  Like it it there's two waterfalls in the Disneyland version of the ride.
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  There's only one at the Disney World version,
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  and there's a reason for that.
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  The one at Disneyland has a specific purpose for why it goes down even deeper.
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  There's two waterfall versions.
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  drops and it's because they're actually taking you outside of the park when that
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  happens. So Disneyland
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  Really?
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  is very compact. They kind of found out quickly they were running out of room.
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  And what they what they called it was you're going like beneath the berm.
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  And the berm is like the border of Disneyland.
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  And so it takes you underground and basically into like another building that's like
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  outside of the park. Is that is this all true Kyle?
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  You don't even need me. You go all did your homework.
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  Ha ha ha.
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  Yeah, yes, that that's pretty much true.
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  Mm. Okay.
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  ~
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  it's it's not necessarily outside of the park.
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  I mean it might have been at the time.
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  Mm hmm. It's still like Disney property,
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  When you are looking at the rides,
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  yes, it's still property. It sounds cooler to say that that way.
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  right? I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Mm hmm.
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  there's all sorts of weird zoning stuff.
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  That's how
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  Mm-hmm.
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  you get a basketball court on top of the Matterhorn.
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  But ~ if
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  Yeah.
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  you're looking at it backstage,
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  that's what they call the area.
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  behind the scenes. ~ the rides are just these giant green warehouses.
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  They just look like regular warehouses.
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  And the what's that's what they are.
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  The illusion is, the magic is that everything is inside makes it look like
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  a different world, but on the outside it's just a shell.
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  And they're all pretty much on top of each other.
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  Some of them, if you think like the way townhouses are kind of staggered,
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  but they're all right next to each other.
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  The break room on Pirates is actually butting right up against Indiana Jones.
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  Indiana Jones and Pirates run right next to each other.
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  So if I was to exit the break room of Pirates of the Caribbean,
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  which I could not do during operating hours,
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  I would come out inside the line for Indiana Jones.
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  So a lot of people do not think
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  okay. Hm.
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  about how interconnected these rides are,
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  but because of space, everything's
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  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  kind of budding up against its each other.
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  Okay, okay. Yeah.
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  So weird, okay.
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  And I don't know if we said specifically,
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  but you worked at Disneyland in California.
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  Yes. I worked at Disneyland,
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  So obviously that's the w the version that we're talking
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  about.
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  and I am a purist. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Disneyland
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  is the original and best of the Disney parks.
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  I think all of the rides there are the
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  Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm.
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  superior versions with very few exceptions.
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  Specifically Pirates. Pirates is the longest ride,
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  and I think it is the most immersive and just the most pure Disney nostalgia that
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  you can get. It's 16 minutes long.
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  It's probably the most value you can get,
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  Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah?
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  and it's also the shortest line.
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  For a line, yeah.
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  It's the shortest line and it's the longest ride.
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  Okay. Mm-hmm.
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  So if we're talking pure value,
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  that's the best ride
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  to go on.
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  Okay, good to know. See Jeremy and I have never even been to Disneyland,
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  so this is like we've just only been
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  Yeah.
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  to the Florida parks, so it's on the bucket
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  You guys are crazy.
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  list.
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  Well, some other behind the scenes stuff I saw was the reason the Florida
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  ~ park only has one waterfall is just because they can't go that deep.
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  Like it has a l a low water table or something
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  Mm-hmm.
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  like that. Like they're just gonna be in the ocean if they go too far.
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  Yeah, but
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  Florida has a low water table?
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  What do you know?
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  Do either
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  of these rides actually show the backside of the waterfall?
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  No, but there is a ride right next to it that actually kinda butts up against it.
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  Ha ha ha.
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  Sweet, sweet, sweet. They're all butted up next to each other apparently,
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  so
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  Yep. Lot lots of button.
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  Kyle, d did you ever try out to to be a skipper on the jungle cruise?
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  What what's the story there? Does that ever
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  you know, this
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  You seem like
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  you should have.
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  is the thing is everybody was telling me I was destined to be
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  a jungle cruise skipper. And
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  Mm. Yeah.
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  I did kind of feel that calling.
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  that's one of my favorite Weird Owl songs too.
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  And the skipper Dan.
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  We we brought that up on the on
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  Did
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  you watch
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  our episode.
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  side note, did you watch the tiny desk concert he just did like a month or two ago?
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  It's on my watch list, I've not had any time.
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  He opened
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  up with Jungle Cruise. How do you open up a tiny desk with Jungle Cruise?
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  Mm-hmm. Or Skipper Dan.
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  Really? Skipper Dan?
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  Dude, he's weird ow. He could have
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  I love that about him. He also did the in
• 16:04
  credit song from his biopic. So He can.
• 16:07
  He g he can do whatever he wants.
• 16:09
  That that man has
• 16:10
  carte blanche, yes. ~ what
• 16:12
  What a man.
• 16:13
  was I saying? Yes, so I was actually thinking about transferring over
• 16:18
  to 'cause you can only Disneyland is divided up into lands for the employees.
• 16:22
  So you can't have somebody who's working in Tomorrowland one day,
• 16:25
  then they work on another ride
• 16:27
  another day. So
• 16:27
  Right, right, right.
• 16:28
  we actually called it Knock in OCC,
• 16:30
  which is New Orleans Critter Country,
• 16:32
  because there's only
• 16:33
  Ha ha.
• 16:34
  one or two rides in each, they're combined.
• 16:36
  So if you worked
• 16:36
  Okay.
• 16:37
  in New Orleans, you also could work in Critter Country.
• 16:42
  So I could work Pirates, Haunted Mansion.
• 16:45
  I think this was the best place to work if you're an employee.
• 16:48
  You could work Pirates,
• 16:48
  Okay.
• 16:48
  Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain,
• 16:50
  ~ Winnie the
• 16:51
  Okay. Mm-hmm.
• 16:52
  Pooh, and then you could also work anything on the it w used to be
• 16:56
  the Mark Twain Island, now it's the Pirates Island.
• 16:58
  So you could do the canoes,
• 16:59
  Okay.
• 17:00
  the boats, anything like that.
• 17:01
  So it's also great because you pick your shifts.
• 17:06
  you try to see what's open on which rides you're trained on.
• 17:08
  You can be trained on two or three rides at the same time.
• 17:11
  So the more rides you have, the more options there are for you to work.
• 17:14
  And those are all some of the best rides at Disneyland.
• 17:17
  So that's that's where you want to be if if you really like old rides
• 17:21
  and like working on them.
• 17:24
  Yeah, that seems like a great great spot.
• 17:25
  U unless you have the opportunity to work
• 17:26
  at Star Wars Land, like you did.
• 17:29
  Let's just say that's your real priority job there.
• 17:30
  Like I did. That that was
• 17:34
  ultimately why I didn't become a jungle crew skipper,
• 17:37
  because I was planning on transferring over to Adventureland so that
• 17:40
  I could do that. And then the opportunity came along for me to do that,
• 17:44
  which I did not think I was gonna get,
• 17:46
  because I had only been with the company for about a year.
• 17:48
  ~ but I ended up getting in, so that was kind of a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
• 17:52
  So I
• 17:53
  Yeah.
• 17:54
  went over and then I was on the open opening crew of Galaxy's Edge,
• 17:57
  which at that time
• 17:59
  was the newest land since ~ Toontown opened in nineteen eighty eight.
• 18:04
  So it had been
• 18:05
  Toontown.
• 18:06
  almost thirty years since they had a new land to open at Disneyland.
• 18:09
  So
• 18:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:10
  Wow. See, we're just used
• 18:11
  little slice of history.
• 18:12
  to an something new every two years at ~ Disney World 'cause that's where they care
• 18:17
  about the most. It's probably the best park,
• 18:18
  Quantity over quality.
• 18:19
  right? Quantity okay.
• 18:23
  And so what was your role in Galaxy's Edge?
• 18:28
  man. well I worked on the attractions team.
• 18:31
  I was kind of ~ the in stage of what they would call test and adjust,
• 18:36
  where you were basically calibrating the rides with the imagineers.
• 18:40
  So for a period of time my job was just to ride the ride and then talk
• 18:46
  to the Imagineers, which as cool as
• 18:48
  Dream job.
• 18:48
  it sounds, it sounds like a dream job,
• 18:50
  and it was. ~
• 18:52
  You do anything for eight hours a day,
• 18:54
  including riding a state of the art ride.
• 18:55
  It gets so old.
• 18:55
  Yeah. That's true.
• 18:56
  It does get old. Still be sticking a ditch.
• 18:58
  Yeah.
• 18:58
  That's true. Mm-hmm.
• 18:59
  There's ton
• 19:00
  of things that that are worse to be doing,
• 19:03
  but ~ yeah, so I was riding the ride for ~ a while and then
• 19:09
  I w was trained on the ride, so I was working on both the Millennium Falcon ride
• 19:13
  and then the Smugglers Run ride or that's the same one and then the Rise
• 19:17
  of the Resistance. And
• 19:18
  Yeah. Okay.
• 19:19
  Gotcha.
• 19:19
  ~ yeah,
• 19:19
  I was also there for the premiere.
• 19:21
  I was going to ask Kyle what his role for pirates was.
• 19:26
  Was there only one role
• 19:28
  ~
• 19:29
  you just like hit the button? Check seat belts and go?
• 19:31
  I wanted to be Well,
• 19:33
  no seatbelts on pirates. That's another reason why it's an awesome ride.
• 19:36
  All
• 19:37
  All right.
• 19:37
  of these post Ralph Nader rides,
• 19:40
  you gotta have a seatbelt. No no no.
• 19:41
  1967.
• 19:42
  huh.
• 19:43
  We don't do seatbelts. We are grandfathered in.
• 19:46
  ~ I wanted to be the pirate sitting on top of the treasure when you first go in,
• 19:51
  but you ~ I you have to be a certain weight,
• 19:55
  and I I wasn't skinny enough to be that guy.
• 19:57
  It's usually some girl in the college program.
• 19:59
  Who's sitting on the pile of gold when you first go in.
• 20:01
  But yeah, I was a ride operator.
• 20:03
  So basically there's a dozen or so positions that you can learn on the ride.
• 20:08
  So anybody who's working on the ride knows how to do pretty much everything
• 20:12
  on the ride. And we rotate every 30 minutes so that you're not getting bored.
• 20:16
  So if you have a eight-hour shift,
• 20:19
  you're working sixteen different positions in just a randomized order depending on
• 20:23
  my goodness.
• 20:24
  who clocked in. Yeah, and it's called rotation.
• 20:26
  So everybody
• 20:28
  You would clock in, it would tell you which position you're going to.
• 20:30
  So let's say I'm gonna be the one dispatching the ship.
• 20:33
  So I get that assignment. I'm there for about 30 minutes until somebody clocks
• 20:38
  in and gets a rotation, and then they'll it's called bumping.
• 20:41
  They'll give that rotation to the next person,
• 20:43
  and it's like a relay race, and it goes around.
• 20:46
  Yeah.
• 20:46
  And so I dispatched, I loaded,
• 20:48
  I was in the tower. I used to do this thing when,
• 20:51
  you know, people are misbehaving.
• 20:53
  ~ I would be like, What? Sit down!
• 20:56
  What?
• 20:57
  You know, something Google like that,
• 20:58
  No
• 20:59
  goofy, and then ~ if they still wouldn't it'd be like,
• 21:01
  Hey, seriously, sit down. So
• 21:04
  Mm.
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:07
  You here's the thing, people
• 21:08
  That's cool.
• 21:08
  do not realize, at least it's not top of mind,
• 21:12
  we can see everything you are doing in a Disney ride.
• 21:16
  No matter what the ride is, we can see you at all times.
• 21:19
  You are never have a moment to yourself.
• 21:22
  Infrared cameras.
• 21:22
  Some people either just
• 21:22
  It's dark in there.
• 21:24
  it's it's dark in there, but we see you.
• 21:26
  We have cameras
• 21:27
  Mm.
• 21:27
  that account for that. ~
• 21:29
  What if I wear a camo?
• 21:31
  you know, nobody's ever tried that yet.
• 21:33
  Just something to keep in mind,
• 21:34
  this is a PSA, especially for ~ any any young couples out there going on
• 21:40
  d to Disney for date night. We can see you!
• 21:45
  Yikes.
• 21:47
  The can you tell I've I've been through some stuff?
• 21:50
  Can you tell I've I've seen I've seen things?
• 21:54
  If I have to watch it,
• 21:54
  Yikes.
• 21:55
  I'm calling the cops.
• 21:57
  ~ my goodness.
• 21:58
  Moving on. Okay. Wow. Well,
• 22:02
  Jonathan, talk about the premiere,
• 22:06
  'cause wasn't your wife actually at the premiere of this movie?
• 22:10
  Yeah. ~
• 22:12
  That's cool.
• 22:13
  So yeah, Kelsey told me a story that her family went to Disneyland,
• 22:18
  ~ and it just like just randomly coincided with the premiere of Pirates
• 22:24
  of the Caribbean. So they had the for this movie they did like
• 22:28
  the premiere actually at the park.
• 22:30
  It was kind of a a cool experience.
• 22:32
  They brought the stars to Disneyland.
• 22:33
  They had it out like on a screen outdoors.
• 22:36
  It was kind of like an outdoor showing.
• 22:37
  And
• 22:39
  So she was just there on the day that it was happening.
• 22:41
  She didn't like go for the premiere.
• 22:44
  None of them even knew like is this gonna be a good movie or not,
• 22:47
  you know? But they
• 22:48
  Yeah.
• 22:49
  had seen some trailers and I was like,
• 22:50
  this one looks, you know, pretty decent.
• 22:52
  ~ and she has a pen. She couldn't find it for the episode,
• 22:56
  but I did find a picture of it online.
• 23:00
  ~ I found this on eBay.
• 23:04
  She got this like
• 23:05
  wow.
• 23:05
  world premiere pin for like going to the park that day.
• 23:09
  Wow, she can make fifteen dollars on that.
• 23:11
  Yeah, no, this one sold for like on eBay.
• 23:12
  She should hold on to that, yeah.
• 23:14
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  That's pretty cool.
• 23:16
  So
• 23:16
  That might be seventeen ninety nine in a couple of years.
• 23:19
  Yeah.
• 23:20
  Do you think she's the one selling it because she couldn't find it?
• 23:24
  Well if she did, that means we're fifteen dollars richer.
• 23:27
  Yeah.
• 23:28
  What's mine is yours, Kelsey. ~
• 23:29
  Fifteen dollars closer to your first trip to Disneyland.
• 23:31
  He
• 23:35
  but yeah.
• 23:39
  That's really cool.
• 23:40
  The only other thing I wrote down for Disney Ride History is that in
• 23:43
  the movie you can find a hidden Mickey at around thirty five minutes into it,
• 23:48
  and the final cannon shot during the Black Pearl siege of the town billows into like
• 23:54
  a Mickey Mouse head shape against the sky.
• 23:56
  ~ very cool.
• 23:57
  Okay, well I guess we'll do some quick facts and stats for the movie.
• 24:02
  Just to get everybody ~ Y absolutely,
• 24:02
  Well I
• 24:02
  Do you want to know a couple tidbits about the ride before we move on?
• 24:06
  Okay.
• 24:07
  before we move on, yes.
• 24:08
  The smell that salt water smell when you walk in.
• 24:10
  Yes, people love that. Okay.
• 24:11
  People love that,
• 24:13
  and a lot of people think it's a smell machine,
• 24:15
  because we have those especially on Main Street and in other parts of the park.
• 24:18
  It's just the water, isn't it?
• 24:21
  It's it's not chlorine, but it's called bromine.
• 24:23
  Which is similar to chlorine,
• 24:24
  Okay.
• 24:25
  but it doesn't irritate people's eyes,
• 24:27
  and you don't have as much trouble with
• 24:27
  But it like joined a floor
• 24:29
  reactions. But what's that?
• 24:31
  Bromine is basically chlorine,
• 24:33
  but it joined a frat.
• 24:35
  That's a good one. That's funny.
• 24:37
  Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 24:37
  Yeah.
• 24:38
  I'm trying
• 24:38
  not to be a jungle cruise skipper,
• 24:40
  so
• 24:41
  You could do it. yeah, so that's what's in the water.
• 24:45
  And it is, like I said,
• 24:48
  it's the shortest line because it's the fastest loading ride.
• 24:52
  We can dispatch I say we can, like I'm still working there.
• 24:55
  They can dispatch at at top capacity 3,000 guests in an hour.
• 25:02
  It's usually not that much just because the way that the boats are arranged.
• 25:03
  my goodness. How many people
• 25:07
  how many people fit in a boat?
• 25:08
  You say sixteen?
• 25:10
  Man, no, it's more than that. Let's see.
• 25:12
  So there's six rows. Let's see how much I can remember.
• 25:15
  Three people in the front row.
• 25:18
  You can fit f five people in
• 25:19
  Ayy
• 25:21
  the middle ones. Okay, let's see.
• 25:22
  Yep, three in the front. The different rows you can fit.
• 25:26
  ~ the next four rows you can fit up to four.
• 25:29
  And then two in the back. No more than two in the back,
• 25:32
  ever. yeah. So this
• 25:32
  Okay. Dude. Got your own road there,
• 25:35
  I got I got a little I know. I got a little slideshow here.
• 25:36
  Jonathan.
• 25:38
  is a great picture.
• 25:39
  So this is this is our recent trip to ride Pirates of the Caribbean,
• 25:43
  Disney this summer. Kelsey also sent me some other pictures here
• 25:48
  of ~ this is some pictures she's taken at other versions of the ride that she's been
• 25:54
  to. So this is this is Disneyland,
• 25:55
  Hmm.
• 25:56
  correct? ~ Kyle? In New Orleans Square.
• 25:56
  Yep, yep, that's it. That's my ride.
• 25:59
  Okay, so that's what the facade looks like.
• 26:04
  Guess this is where you load in.
• 26:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:06
  And then yeah, this is just in the square,
• 26:10
  New Orleans Square is your in the right area.
• 26:13
  ~ this I believe is Disneyland Paris she went to.
• 26:17
  And this has a really cool like skull and chip and everything.
• 26:18
  ~ wow. Yeah.
• 26:22
  That's fine.
• 26:23
  these are some some pictures she took.
• 26:26
  And then that's the pen. And then this is our video,
• 26:28
  we have a video.
• 26:29
  which isn't very good. Can you hear that?
• 26:31
  Are we gonna watch
• 26:32
  you guys go through the
• 26:32
  Yeah.
• 26:33
  s sixteen minute ride?
• 26:35
  No, it's like it's pretty quick.
• 26:37
  We can talk over it while it's playing.
• 26:40
  It's some footage that I got that was like dark,
• 26:41
  Okay, good, you turn the volume down.
• 26:42
  Did you guys know that they can see you in the ride?
• 26:44
  so yeah, but we could see them.
• 26:44
  ~ that's some good footage. Nice.
• 26:45
  Yep.
• 26:46
  I was filming. Got
• 26:48
  back. But yeah. You can kind of see like
• 26:51
  I don't know if
• 26:54
  No, go ahead.
• 26:55
  They did ~ I think that was w before the second one came out,
• 26:58
  2006 was when they added the Johnny Depp.
• 27:01
  Okay.
• 27:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:04
  I think Barbosa's
• 27:04
  I think
• 27:05
  in there too, at the start on the ship.
• 27:08
  They did, yeah. They added him eventually
• 27:08
  ~
• 27:10
  too.
• 27:10
  Okay, I did I did have a couple more like ride facts that I I saw
• 27:15
  in the episode that I was gonna point out.
• 27:16
  Going back to the Florida ride,
• 27:18
  ~ they kind of didn't really wanna put it in Florida to begin with,
• 27:24
  because they thought it was kind of redundant because Florida is kind
• 27:27
  of in the Caribbean. So they're like,
• 27:29
  People why would they wanna go ride that ride?
• 27:32
  So they they tailored it as like a Western River expedition and then they're like,
• 27:37
  No, we just want pirates. So they like caved and they
• 27:40
  Yeah.
• 27:41
  Yeah,
• 27:41
  they just made a pirate's ride in Disney,
• 27:43
  but I thought that was kinda funny.
• 27:44
  That they just thought it would be redundant.
• 27:44
  This is the first time that I've ever heard
• 27:47
  someone consider Orlando, Florida as part of the Caribbean.
• 27:51
  Can you imagine your dad comes home and tells you you guys are going on a family
• 27:52
  It's close, you know. ~
• 27:53
  Closer than Disneyland.
• 27:55
  vacation to the Caribbean? You end up in Orlando.
• 27:58
  We've got the Caribbean at home.
• 27:59
  Yeah we have the Caribbean at home.
• 28:00
  Well, now that you can take a Disney
• 28:02
  cruise, you can go to the Caribbean while being on Disney property.
• 28:05
  So
• 28:06
  yes, yes. This
• 28:06
  There you go. Mm-hmm.
• 28:07
  this bandana also is a
• 28:08
  They've thought of everything.
• 28:10
  ~ bandana Kelsey got on a Disney cruise that was a pirate night themed that they
• 28:14
  gave out. It's kinda hard to see,
• 28:16
  okay.
• 28:16
  but there's
• 28:16
  like a a a skull and crossbones missy Mickey in the back,
• 28:20
  so
• 28:21
  I thought that was the Mighty Ducks.
• 28:23
  That's Skull and Crossbones. Gotcha.
• 28:25
  That that would be that'd be good too.
• 28:26
  Mm.
• 28:28
  The ~ the last thing that I saw basically the it folk the episode focused
• 28:35
  on the Shanghai version 'cause that's the newest version of the attraction to open.
• 28:38
  And in this case, yes,
• 28:40
  That one's on another level. Yeah.
• 28:42
  it's it's completely
• 28:44
  well one, it's completely based around the movies,
• 28:46
  'cause they're like most people
• 28:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:47
  just know the movies. Okay. So ~ it's just a cool episode to watch out
• 28:52
  ~ to watch and to check out like what how that ride is different from the others,
• 28:56
  but ~
• 28:57
  Yeah, I think this is one of the few rides that we've of these movies that we've
• 29:01
  covered where the movie was good enough that it then re influenced the ride.
• 29:06
  And like characters made it back into the ride and storylines and that sort
• 29:10
  of thing. 'Cause like the country bears,
• 29:12
  as much as we loved it, they're not singing those songs and country bear jamboree
• 29:16
  anymore. So
• 29:17
  I hate
• 29:17
  They
• 29:17
  should have
• 29:17
  to tell ya,
• 29:18
  they're not singing any songs in the country bear jamboree.
• 29:20
  Yeah.
• 29:23
  Is it a recording? Is that what you're saying?
• 29:25
  Are you ruining the magic?
• 29:27
  I'm saying I think
• 29:28
  We know they're not really
• 29:29
  singing it the recording, but like they're in the suits.
• 29:31
  Acting it out. The
• 29:32
  It's real bears in the suits. In the bear
• 29:35
  suits.
• 29:36
  You y'all might be very disappointed if you end up going to Disneyland
• 29:40
  and expecting to see the country bear jamboree.
• 29:42
  they don't have anything there,
• 29:43
  yeah. Yeah.
• 29:44
  No.
• 29:45
  Are you saying that they're still they they still have it somewhere?
• 29:48
  It's still in in Florida, yeah.
• 29:49
  We went this summer. And they've they've changed it they've changed it
• 29:50
  Is it really? Wow. Wow.
• 29:51
  Yeah, quantity over quality, huh?
• 29:54
  now to they're singing Disney cover songs instead of the original classic songs that
• 29:59
  Dumb. Dumb man.
• 30:00
  they did. But yeah. It's still there.
• 30:04
  I wish they would have done the soundtrack from the Country Bears,
• 30:07
  but can't win all.
• 30:08
  Is Christopher Walken
• 30:10
  just like on stage with the Country Bears and he's like,
• 30:13
  It's me from the movie. This is what I do now.
• 30:15
  Yeah, h he's the armpit farter on stage.
• 30:20
  And and you're like, No, Christopher
• 30:20
  I wish. I really wish.
• 30:22
  Walken, you were in the deer hunter.
• 30:23
  Christopher Walken animatronic.
• 30:24
  You don't have to do this.
• 30:26
  Mm.
• 30:29
  It's actually the Christopher Walken you see in movies is an animatronic.
• 30:33
  The real one is at Disneyland or Disney World in the Country Bear Jamboree.
• 30:38
  That's what he wants to do. Mm-hmm.
• 30:38
  He's actually a Jim Henson Muppet creature shop work.
• 30:41
  He's a he Practical
• 30:43
  Effect by ILM, Christopher Walken is.
• 30:45
  Yeah. So
• 30:46
  Yeah.
• 30:47
  is his voice. Okay, well we probably gotta get the ball rolling
• 30:51
  now that we're almost f forty minutes into it.
• 30:54
  So yeah.
• 30:54
  are we actually gonna talk about the movie?
• 30:56
  I didn't
• 30:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:58
  realize that we're gonna do that.
• 31:00
  Okay, well this movie came out in two thousand and three,
• 31:04
  which was twenty-three whole years ago.
• 31:06
  It was directed by Gore Verbinski,
• 31:09
  known for Mouse Hunt and s a couple
• 31:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:11
  other movies. like The Ring,
• 31:14
  Rango, The Lone Ranger, and recently,
• 31:17
  Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die movie with Sam forgot his last name.
• 31:22
  Rockwell. Same Rockwell. Yeah,
• 31:23
  What's his Rockwell, yeah. Did you see that?
• 31:25
  yeah.
• 31:25
  I did not see that.
• 31:27
  I did not see that. I think that was his attempt to get out of director jail,
• 31:31
  which he's been in for the past whatever fifteen years since Lone Ranger came out.
• 31:35
  I have
• 31:36
  Yeah.
• 31:37
  no idea if that how how it did,
• 31:39
  so he might be out now or he might have gone right back in.
• 31:43
  Probably. We'll see. this movie is rated PG thirteen,
• 31:47
  which is interesting because this is the first of Disney pictures to do so.
• 31:52
  Touchstone was usually the one ~ that
• 31:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:55
  they would send all the you know,
• 31:57
  the PG thirteen and up movies to do.
• 31:59
  Just like Mission to Mars.
• 32:00
  Now, as this is a podcast
• 32:02
  that covers ~ movies for five year olds,
• 32:05
  I wanted to know, have you guys done a PG thirteen movie before?
• 32:09
  Is this also your first PG thirteen?
• 32:11
  No. We
• 32:12
  did Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire,
• 32:14
  thank you very much.
• 32:15
  excuse me.
• 32:15
  and we covered my
• 32:17
  very first PG thirteen movie I ever saw,
• 32:19
  The Mask of Zorro, ~ back in the day.
• 32:20
  Mask of Zorro, yeah. Duh.
• 32:21
  Okay. Interesting.
• 32:23
  Do you know
• 32:23
  who wrote The Mask of Zoro?
• 32:25
  The same writers as this movie.
• 32:27
  Yeah. Yep.
• 32:28
  Bingo. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 32:29
  That makes so much sense.
• 32:31
  Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio. I don't know how to say it,
• 32:34
  Yeah, Rossio. Mm-hmm.
• 32:34
  Okay.
• 32:35
  but
• 32:36
  ~ well this movie has a Rotten Tomatoes critic score,
• 32:40
  certified fresh at seventy-nine percent,
• 32:43
  and an audience score of eighty-six.
• 32:45
  Which is pretty good. I would say it's pretty good for
• 32:46
  Okay. Yeah? Yeah.
• 32:49
  this movie. ~ the tagline on the poster says,
• 32:53
  Prepare to be blown out of the water.
• 32:55
  And boy were we.
• 32:58
  ~ it is a whopping two hours and twenty-three minutes long,
• 33:03
  but I'm excited the whole time.
• 33:06
  And it is on Disney Plus as of this recording.
• 33:09
  So
• 33:11
  It is on Disney Plus. Can I get on a soapbox?
• 33:14
  I don't have a literal soapbox,
• 33:15
  but I I will say,
• 33:15
  Please soap it up.
• 33:18
  this is this is for the real real nerds.
• 33:21
  ~ I watched this movie last night,
• 33:24
  I put it on, and the Disney Plus version th is the 4K digital conversion
• 33:30
  of their digital remaster and it looks so so bad.
• 33:35
  I watched it with my wife who had never seen it before,
• 33:37
  and the first thing she said is this looks very CGI,
• 33:40
  which is really sad because it opens with this gorgeous shot of this beautiful ship
• 33:44
  coming out of the fog. And it looks
• 33:46
  Yeah.
• 33:46
  really, really waxy and muted.
• 33:48
  And I'm not saying you have to go out and buy the DVD,
• 33:52
  but if you're gonna like watch this movie or have people over to watch it,
• 33:56
  and you know a friend who has the Blu-ray,
• 33:57
  ~ try to get a physical copy.
• 33:59
  Do not watch the Blu ray. Do not watch the Blu ray.
• 34:00
  Do not watch the Blu-ray. Watch the Blu-ray.
• 34:02
  They messed up on this
• 34:04
  Blu ray. Okay? There's like
• 34:05
  What's wrong with the Blu-ray?
• 34:06
  five s five minutes. It's not a big deal.
• 34:09
  I guess it's mostly worth watching.
• 34:10
  But during the fighting scene where they're in the blacksmith
• 34:15
  I almost said blacksmith's office.
• 34:16
  the dude
• 34:19
  You know.
• 34:19
  that was physically like framing the shots,
• 34:22
  like lowered the framing to where ~ a lot of heads are almost cut off.
• 34:25
  Hmm. It messed up the letterboxing.
• 34:28
  Interesting. Interesting. I would still probably
• 34:28
  But it's only for those five minutes.
• 34:30
  So that's fine. But anyways
• 34:33
  take that over the conversion rate that they used for this There we go.
• 34:37
  That's a good one. ~ I would advocate
• 34:38
  Disney Plus. It's not good enough.
• 34:41
  for the Blu ray. Overwatching it on but that's just that's just the door key.
• 34:44
  If anything, it's kinda cool to see that little
• 34:46
  mistake, it's a little blemish.
• 34:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:48
  Yeah. Makes it interesting.
• 34:49
  So Yeah.
• 34:51
  big proponent of physical media.
• 34:53
  It's like having the gold behind your currency.
• 34:54
  I think more people should be buying DVDs.
• 34:57
  I'll get off my soapbox now.
• 34:58
  Or digital downloads, it's like your crypto.
• 35:01
  Yeah, absolutely. Own your media.
• 35:05
  Yeah.
• 35:05
  Hm.
• 35:06
  Well, Jonathan, do you have a storyline for
• 35:06
  Yeah. Can't get this on Disney
• 35:08
  Plus. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.
• 35:13
  Same
• 35:13
  situation with mission to Mars,
• 35:15
  huh?
• 35:15
  Yeah.
• 35:16
  ~ well if you haven't seen this movie,
• 35:18
  Jonathan has a storyline for you.
• 35:21
  Okay, okay. For those who haven't seen this yet,
• 35:24
  an intrepid blacksmith teams up with an eccentric pirate captain to save
• 35:28
  his love from an undead pirate crew.
• 35:30
  Hilarity ensues.
• 35:33
  Hilarity
• 35:34
  ensues. We say that at the end of every storyline.
• 35:38
  To get people to watch it. Yeah.
• 35:38
  I figured mm-hmm.
• 35:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:40
  ~
• 35:41
  so yeah.
• 35:42
  They wouldn't watch
• 35:42
  it if we didn't tell them that there was some jokes,
• 35:44
  you know.
• 35:44
  Yeah.
• 35:45
  That's true.
• 35:45
  In this case hilarity actually does ensue.
• 35:48
  So
• 35:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:48
  yeah.
• 35:51
  Mm.
• 35:52
  I've got a what the wife said.
• 35:53
  Alright.
• 35:54
  We
• 35:54
  each have a wife, so we can do that.
• 35:56
  We do and they all watch this movie.
• 35:58
  This is a perfect thing.
• 36:00
  Shall I start? Okay.
• 36:01
  You start. Since
• 36:02
  your wife actually went to the premiere,
• 36:04
  she's better than all of us.
• 36:06
  Well, I'll try and remember some of the other comments she made about
• 36:09
  the actual movie, but I got my like my laptop out to like take some notes
• 36:15
  and stuff while we were watching and she basically like typed in what
• 36:18
  the wife said for herself so I didn't have to type it for her.
• 36:21
  Ha ha ha.
• 36:21
  So this is what she wrote.
• 36:22
  She said, I have the best husband in the whole world.
• 36:24
  He is the Will Turner to my Elizabeth Swan.
• 36:27
  I love him more though, like more than anything in this world,
• 36:30
  and more today than yesterday.
• 36:31
  So
• 36:32
  That's our producer.
• 36:34
  That that doesn't have anything to do with the movie.
• 36:38
  Hilarity ensues.
• 36:38
  Yeah.
• 36:39
  What about you?
• 36:41
  Well, this was the first time my wife had ever seen it.
• 36:44
  She said she she grew up in a house that didn't really you'd think that
• 36:49
  her brothers would love it, but I guess they didn't.
• 36:51
  They didn't really watch these growing up.
• 36:53
  And she said that she watched it once but she fell asleep.
• 36:57
  but this time she actually tried to watch it and she loved it.
• 37:02
  She was cracking up the whole time.
• 37:04
  man. She actually thought this was a great movie.
• 37:08
  And I had to pitch it to her, I was like,
• 37:10
  It's like a guy period piece.
• 37:13
  It's like Pride and Prejudice with the same girl but a better love triangle.
• 37:22
  And and ~ skeletons ~ and treasure.
• 37:25
  ~ And swashbuckling adventures.
• 37:29
  So I I convin I convinced her.
• 37:31
  So But she she loved it.
• 37:32
  It's the original Pride, Prejudice,
• 37:32
  Glad you liked it.
• 37:34
  and Zombies. It's kind of a backdoor zombie movie if you really think about it.
• 37:37
  Pretty kind of, yeah.
• 37:38
  Yeah.
• 37:38
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 37:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:40
  Yeah, cool. What about you, Kyle?
• 37:44
  Well, my wife only watched the first hour and change.
• 37:46
  She was very tired. I can like go get her
• 37:48
  Yeah.
• 37:49
  and ask her what she thought, or we can just say that she probably thought
• 37:52
  You can just guess. Yeah.
• 37:52
  it was fine. My wife has seen
• 37:53
  She probably thought it was a masterpiece.
• 37:55
  ~ this was probably the seventeenth movie she's seen in her life.
• 37:59
  She not from a big movie watching family.
• 38:01
  Period Wow, okay.
• 38:02
  No, probably
• 38:02
  Yeah. Okay, okay.
• 38:04
  she's probably seen more than that,
• 38:06
  but ~ I just real quick, I think it's really funny that all of our wives work
• 38:12
  Pretty impressive jobs in terms of like what they do,
• 38:16
  ~ to help people. I don't ~
• 38:18
  Yeah.
• 38:19
  my wife is a therapist, Jeremy's wife is a school teacher,
• 38:22
  your wife's going to school for to be what,
• 38:24
  a P T? No T?
• 38:26
  Jonathan's
• 38:26
  wife is gonna be a school is a school teacher.
• 38:27
  My wife's the school teacher.
• 38:29
  Abby is the OT student. She's gonna be an O T.
• 38:32
  Did I say it wrong? Did I say your wife is Jeremy's.
• 38:32
  Yeah, you said Jeremy's wife is gonna be a teacher.
• 38:35
  ~
• 38:36
  Jonathan's wife is a his teacher.
• 38:38
  Jeremy's wife.
• 38:39
  Mm.
• 38:40
  Anyway, my point is these women
• 38:41
  She might get into teaching.
• 38:43
  work incredibly grueling jobs and they come home and we're like,
• 38:46
  Can you watch a movie so we can record a podcast together?
• 38:48
  Yeah.
• 38:50
  It's for it's for our movie podcast.
• 38:53
  Trust me, you're gonna love it.
• 38:55
  So basically we're a guys and we're
• 38:55
  Every now and then, yeah.
• 38:57
  friends and we talk about movies.
• 39:00
  I do know who you guys are married to.
• 39:01
  I d I'm getting that mixed up.
• 39:03
  That was just a vocal flub. Yeah.
• 39:03
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 39:04
  Good, good.
• 39:05
  Mhm.
• 39:06
  Okay. Well, ~
• 39:07
  Well Jeremy, should we go
• 39:08
  ahead and kick off the IQ test?
• 39:10
  We should, now that we are almost fifty minutes into this.
• 39:13
  Okay, we're gonna try and go through this quicker even though there's a lot.
• 39:16
  Okay.
• 39:17
  Okay. Alright. Walk me through it.
• 39:20
  We have a test for our movies that meet our IQ standards.
• 39:22
  We have a series of binary and quantitative tests to help best categorize these
• 39:28
  movies as staples, stapleist, or just plain quacks.
• 39:31
  Movies must collect at least seven points or higher to be a staple and
• 39:35
  All ten points to become a stapleist.
• 39:38
  And then ~ if it makes six or less,
• 39:40
  the movie's a quack. We also have a bonus round of five subjective tests that
• 39:45
  we came up with if we weren't happy with the objective test.
• 39:48
  That way we know how it scores objectively and then how we really want to score it.
• 39:53
  So we'll start off with test number one,
• 39:56
  the quotable quotes test.
• 39:58
  how quotable is this movie to you guys?
• 40:00
  Parlay.
• 40:00
  How many quotes have you loaded up on the soundboard?
• 40:02
  If it's more than ten, it gets a point.
• 40:03
  A lot. Don't worry about it. One,
• 40:05
  two, three, four, five, six,
• 40:06
  seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
• 40:08
  twelve, thirteen, fourteen. And
• 40:10
  Okay.
• 40:11
  that's just the ones I could find without music.
• 40:13
  Yeah.
• 40:15
  It it just depends on what you mean by quotable.
• 40:17
  If you're talking about like quotes that you could actually use in like
• 40:21
  a modern day conversation and not seem and have it seem natural,
• 40:25
  I don't know if there's that many,
• 40:26
  but if you're talking about quotes where like you can say something like parlay
• 40:30
  or why is the
• 40:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:31
  rum gone and people know what movie you're talking about,
• 40:33
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 40:33
  then it is pretty quotable. I don't know if there's like
• 40:35
  one I think why is the rum gone is probably the one that kind of in the zeitgeist,
• 40:39
  That's a big one.
• 40:40
  Yeah, that's probably the main one.
• 40:41
  yeah. Yeah.
• 40:42
  ~
• 40:43
  I don't know if I can
• 40:45
  I don't know if I can really think of any other ones that immediately come
• 40:49
  to the top of my mind if I had not just watched it.
• 40:52
  I think one of my favorite ones was Consider them mocked.
• 40:56
  It's like
• 40:58
  Okay.
• 41:00
  Norrington's first words. Just
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:03
  the way he said it was so sassy.
• 41:05
  It was funny.
• 41:06
  There's
• 41:06
  little snippets of dialogue that are rememberable if not quoting,
• 41:09
  like, ~ W
• 41:10
  Yeah.
• 41:10
  What do you say to three shillings and we forget the name?
• 41:13
  I remember that one. Mhm. Schmidty yeah.
• 41:13
  Right, right. Smith Smithy. Just just listen to
• 41:16
  Welcome to Port Royal.
• 41:17
  this. Listen to how this guy says that.
• 41:19
  Consider the marked.
• 41:22
  I love him.
• 41:22
  And then after that is I half
• 41:24
  expected it to be made of wood when he pulls the sword out.
• 41:26
  Like it's it's quippy, it's fun.
• 41:26
  Yes. Yeah.
• 41:27
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:28
  I don't remember Yeah.
• 41:31
  Well, Jonathan, what do you have?
• 41:35
  Taught Tuga.
• 41:36
  Soltsuga. We that is an inside quote for us for sure.
• 41:38
  I don't know. I just feel like me and Jeremy say that to each other.
• 41:43
  So our inside quote is like
• 41:46
  if we're figuring out where we're gonna go or like somewhere
• 41:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:50
  for lunch or if like we we have our heading to go somewhere,
• 41:54
  we're like where are we going?
• 41:56
  And we're like
• 41:57
  Tortuga.
• 41:58
  Soltuga.
• 42:01
  Now is Tortuga
• 42:01
  That's all.
• 42:02
  can Tortuga be any place or is Tortuga like
• 42:05
  Anything.
• 42:05
  a Waffle House?
• 42:07
  It can be any place. Yeah.
• 42:09
  It should just
• 42:09
  Yeah.
• 42:09
  you guys gotta pick a place for Tortuga to be.
• 42:09
  It just means that we're on the same page.
• 42:12
  Yeah.
• 42:13
  We've actually never been to really Tortuga,
• 42:15
  so or the dry Tortugas.
• 42:17
  Tortuga
• 42:17
  should just be Disneyland. Yeah.
• 42:20
  Well, if Orlando
• 42:20
  Yeah, it's about the same.
• 42:21
  is in the Caribbean, then Tortuga can be Miami.
• 42:23
  Mm.
• 42:25
  It's close enough.
• 42:27
  Yeah. ~ okay.
• 42:28
  ~ let's see.
• 42:32
  That's got to be the worst pirate I've ever heard of.
• 42:34
  But you have heard of me.
• 42:35
  But you have heard of me. Yep,
• 42:37
  yep, okay, yeah.
• 42:42
  Got we haven't a cold.
• 42:46
  I'm just gonna go through them since I have them.
• 42:49
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 42:49
  I
• 42:50
  already played the that's not good enough.
• 42:52
  Then we've got considerate marked.
• 42:55
  This one's a good one. This one's very useful that we haven't ever used.
• 43:05
  Okay.
• 43:06
  Like
• 43:06
  whenever you're putting a corset on,
• 43:07
  you just be like, It's difficult to say
• 43:08
  Yeah. I
• 43:10
  wish I could have remembered that quote last time I put one of those on.
• 43:13
  Yeah. Hmm. Do you like pain?
• 43:15
  Was that this morning?
• 43:15
  Me too.
• 43:17
  Try wearing a corset.
• 43:19
  Of course I no.
• 43:21
  Yes, yes, yes.
• 43:22
  Hello, Paul Put.
• 43:23
  Hello we know you're in there,
• 43:26
  puppet.
• 43:27
  Mm.
• 43:27
  That's a good one.
• 43:27
  Why
• 43:29
  Yeah, I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request as such a great word because
• 43:34
  you think pirates are dumb and they don't have a good vocabulary.
• 43:37
  But everybody had a good vocabulary back then.
• 43:40
  Especially in that scene
• 43:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:41
  too, 'cause he's like, You used a lot of big words there,
• 43:44
  Missy, you know. We're just simple pirate folks and then then
• 43:45
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 43:46
  Ye right.
• 43:48
  she's like, I want you to leave and never come back and then he responds
• 43:50
  Yeah.
• 43:51
  that way. So that was a good piece of dialogue.
• 43:52
  Yeah. It's kind of
• 43:54
  flips it on her.
• 43:55
  Good stuff, good stuff. ~ you're not a eunuch,
• 43:58
  are you? That is a very improvisational line.
• 44:02
  Every i
• 44:02
  Also just a little glance down with his eyes.
• 44:06
  You're not a eunuch, are you? He ca he may he improved probably half of these lines,
• 44:11
  but that was one of them.
• 44:12
  Mm, that's good.
• 44:12
  His facial
• 44:13
  expressions in his acting was really good in this.
• 44:17
  Yeah, so good.
• 44:18
  He got nominated for an Oscar which nobody
• 44:20
  Yeah.
• 44:21
  saw coming. ~ sorry,
• 44:22
  Wait, that's its own test. Wait,
• 44:23
  we'll talk about acting later.
• 44:24
  Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 44:24
  sorry. All right.
• 44:25
  We'll talk about acting
• 44:26
  later. Are we passing
• 44:26
  What other quotes?
• 44:27
  this? let's just say this is a matter of leverage.
• 44:30
  Mm.
• 44:32
  There's no real ship as can match the Interceptor.
• 44:35
  I don't know, those those two guys I I thought were pretty funny.
• 44:39
  They were great. They were my favorite.
• 44:40
  ~ you best start believing in ghost stories,
• 44:44
  Miss Turner. You're in one.
• 44:47
  You need to find yourself a girl,
• 44:49
  mate.
• 44:51
  Darn to the depths of the muttonheads whoever invented parlay.
• 44:55
  Well that would be the French.
• 44:57
  Be French, yep. That's a good one.
• 45:00
  You think he wasn't telling the truth?
• 45:03
  Too long.
• 45:06
  Hehehehe
• 45:08
  There'll be no living with her now.
• 45:11
  I wouldn't have watched the movie last night if I'd known you guys were just gonna
• 45:14
  Yeah, we c we could just
• 45:14
  do it for me.
• 45:15
  we could just do the whole thing.
• 45:17
  This'll be to the day they
• 45:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:19
  all remember as the day they almost caught Captain Jack Sparrow.
• 45:25
  Iconic. We got a lot of lines that aren't actually funny.
• 45:28
  We usually just do the funny ones,
• 45:29
  but
• 45:30
  I I really liked if you were waiting for the opportune moment,
• 45:34
  that was it. I feel like that's a good one you could use.
• 45:38
  Yes, yes,
• 45:39
  yes, yes. Bring me that horizon.
• 45:42
  The code is more like guidelines anyway.
• 45:46
  ~ A lot of their best quotes
• 45:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:48
  had ~ like the triple payoff. I don't know what that's actually called.
• 45:52
  The rule of three, I guess. They use they use those pretty well,
• 45:54
  Yeah, rule of three. Yeah, pretty much.
• 45:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:57
  I guess. ~
• 46:00
  I love weddings. Drinks all around.
• 46:02
  That's all I got. That's enough to pass.
• 46:05
  We'll move
• 46:05
  Yeah, it's yeah.
• 46:06
  it on.
• 46:07
  That was for the smell. That's a good that's a good little tag at the end.
• 46:11
  That's
• 46:11
  for the smell, yeah.
• 46:12
  Yeah, yeah.
• 46:15
  We passed it. Alright, now on
• 46:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:17
  to the magnificent music test.
• 46:21
  Alright. So the magnificent music test.
• 46:24
  Can you name or identify by sound the theme by heart?
• 46:27
  In other words, can you guess the movie based on the score?
• 46:30
  The score for this movie was composed by someone named Klaus Bedelt.
• 46:35
  Or was
• 46:36
  Baday.
• 46:36
  it? There's a big question mark here.
• 46:39
  Yeah, or was it?
• 46:40
  Because everyone thinks.
• 46:43
  pairs Han Zimmer with Pirates of the Caribbean movies.
• 46:46
  And to be fair, he did
• 46:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:49
  two and three, I think maybe four as well.
• 46:51
  But technically he is not listed as the composer for the first movie.
• 46:56
  So I looked into it, and apparently,
• 46:58
  here's the story. Jerry
• 46:58
  Mm-hmm. Yeah, what'd you find?
• 47:01
  Bruckheimer originally was gonna have Alan Silvestri do the score.
• 47:05
  And he was even listed on early teaser posters as
• 47:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 47:09
  like he was gonna do it. And then
• 47:12
  Him and Jerry Bruckheimer had like creative differences and he fired him.
• 47:16
  So Hans Zimmer wa was someone that had collaborated with ~ Gore Verbinski,
• 47:22
  and so they wanted to bring him on the project.
• 47:25
  But he was working on another movie at the time,
• 47:28
  The Last Samurai. So he was contractually not allowed to like work
• 47:34
  on any other movies. So he said,
• 47:37
  Okay, well
• 47:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 47:38
  I suggest you hire this guy, Klaus.
• 47:41
  And this guy ended up being like a student of his and like worked for
• 47:45
  his like music production company.
• 47:47
  So he basically
• 47:47
  Hmm.
• 47:49
  was like, Here, I s I'm gonna refer you to this guy.
• 47:52
  He works for my company, Media Ventures.
• 47:53
  And the story goes that like Hans Zimmer just like stayed up all night
• 47:58
  one night and like made a demo of all the main themes and
• 48:01
  Huh.
• 48:01
  basically just handed it to the composer Klaus.
• 48:04
  And then Klaus took those themes and like incorporated it and came up with
• 48:08
  the rest of the score into the movie.
• 48:09
  He pulled
• 48:10
  a John Williams for Harry Potter.
• 48:12
  But he just like did it all in one night.
• 48:15
  But I will say
• 48:17
  Wow.
• 48:18
  there is some connections to previous scores that he's done.
• 48:21
  ~ a lot of people say his gladiator score is very similar to his pirate score.
• 48:26
  Yes, you can really hear that,
• 48:26
  Dude, yes, that's true.
• 48:28
  specifically
• 48:28
  yeah.
• 48:30
  the track The Battle, if you listen to that,
• 48:33
  there's a segment of that that is very sounds very similar to Pirates.
• 48:36
  Also, ~
• 48:40
  This is not his first pirate movie because he did the score
• 48:42
  for Muppet Treasure Island. So
• 48:45
  He did? Mm-hmm.
• 48:46
  Did he really?
• 48:48
  He he knows his way around the high seas.
• 48:52
  His favorite flavor is ~ tropical
• 48:53
  That's why that movie was so good.
• 48:53
  ~
• 48:55
  punch. ~ the high seas,
• 48:57
  I believe it.
• 48:58
  gotcha.
• 48:59
  Yeah. ~ yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 49:00
  ~
• 49:01
  So
• 49:01
  what's interesting is you can go on YouTube and you can actually find
• 49:05
  the demo that Hans Zimmer did.
• 49:07
  And
• 49:08
  Mm.
• 49:08
  ~ Han Zimmer was one of the first composers to really ~
• 49:14
  get into the whole like realm of demos as far as production goes,
• 49:18
  because he was one of the first composers to really innovate the keyboard
• 49:23
  or the synthesizer
• 49:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:24
  where you could have multiple instruments with the synthesizer.
• 49:29
  And so he would record his demos where he's playing all of the instrument parts,
• 49:33
  but it's whatever can be played on the synthesizer.
• 49:36
  So then he turns it over to Klaus or whoever,
• 49:39
  and all
• 49:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:40
  of the bones are there, but it's very limited because it's whatever instruments
• 49:45
  you can get out of a synthesizer,
• 49:47
  and then Klaus just kind of takes the ball and runs with it.
• 49:50
  And if
• 49:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:51
  you listen to the versions that make it in the film.
• 49:55
  They are substantially improved upon from the demo to the point where I'm
• 49:59
  Mm.
• 50:00
  completely fine with calling Clas what what's his last name?
• 50:03
  Class B yes, Beday.
• 50:03
  Bedelt Bedelt
• 50:06
  B A D E L T
• 50:08
  Klaus Bidet is very much the composer of this,
• 50:11
  because even though if you go back and listen to it,
• 50:13
  Mm. Okay. Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 50:13
  you'll definitely hear all the bones and all kind of the
• 50:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 50:17
  the foundation of the demo, but
• 50:19
  He was the one that really brought it to the next level.
• 50:22
  And also I think the Jack Sparrow theme,
• 50:25
  this is what's iconic about the music is you have two
• 50:28
  Mm.
• 50:28
  s separate themes that are pretty recognizable.
• 50:31
  You have the main pirates theme,
• 50:32
  but then you also have Jack Sparrow's theme,
• 50:34
  which is the violin one, and that's the one
• 50:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 50:37
  that immediately starts playing in my mind when I think Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 50:41
  And I think that was that was his that he came up with,
• 50:43
  ~ cool. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 50:44
  so ~ yeah.
• 50:45
  Okay.
• 50:47
  Yeah, I he was
• 50:47
  Is it also
• 50:48
  a longtime contributor to like a collaborator with Han Zimmer.
• 50:52
  I even going back to like Prince of Egypt,
• 50:54
  like all these
• 50:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 50:55
  movies, he was kind of an additional composer and
• 50:56
  Ooh, good music.
• 50:58
  so he I mean, he knows his way.
• 50:58
  Well, they're both German. They're probably just hanging out in Germany just playing
• 50:59
  Yeah. Yeah. But he got sole
• 51:03
  on synth synthesizers.
• 51:04
  credit for this one. So I'll I'll have to look at at that demo.
• 51:07
  I've never actually listened to that.
• 51:08
  That'll be pretty cool to check out.
• 51:09
  Mm-hmm. It's interesting,
• 51:10
  yeah. It's kind of a interesting source text.
• 51:15
  Is it true that I didn't really know this.
• 51:17
  I might be I might be wrong, but the Yoho,
• 51:21
  Yoho a Pirates Life for Me song,
• 51:23
  was that written for the actual ride?
• 51:25
  Or was that always just been a song?
• 51:28
  No, it was written for the ride.
• 51:29
  I had no idea. Possibly because it was 2003 when this
• 51:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:31
  I didn't know that either until I researched this.
• 51:34
  came out and I was under five years old.
• 51:36
  So like that pretty much has always been a song since I've known about pirates.
• 51:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:43
  And these movies have been around since I've pretty much known about pirates.
• 51:46
  That's like peak pirate th obsession.
• 51:49
  When you're in kindergarten.
• 51:53
  So yeah, I didn't know
• 51:54
  Yeah.
• 51:55
  that. I didn't realize till this week that that movie was from the ~
• 51:58
  That Disney wrote the pirate song Yo Ho Yo Ho.
• 52:01
  Did you think that
• 52:02
  Yes, I had no idea.
• 52:04
  it's like from antiquity, like the pirates were actually singing Yo Ho Yoho,
• 52:07
  Thought it was some shanty. Yes.
• 52:08
  A Pirate's Life for Me?
• 52:11
  So I think we're all in agreement.
• 52:13
  The the music in this movie is pretty spectacular.
• 52:16
  Excellent.
• 52:16
  Would would you all
• 52:17
  It's very good.
• 52:17
  agree?
• 52:18
  I would consider
• 52:18
  Yeah.
• 52:19
  it top ten movie scores of all time.
• 52:20
  Mm-hmm. Okay, okay.
• 52:23
  If you guys speaking of
• 52:23
  I'm comfortable saying that.
• 52:25
  doing rankings, w who would you guys have on your composers,
• 52:29
  Matt Rushmore? If you could pick four film composers.
• 52:30
  He's choosing he's
• 52:31
  choosing John Williams for all four slots.
• 52:32
  I I can't I can't not go John Williams.
• 52:34
  John Williams has to be on there,
• 52:34
  I you know. Mm-hmm.
• 52:36
  and then Hans Zimmer right next to John Williams.
• 52:36
  He's going Thomas Newman.
• 52:39
  Interesting. You can make a case for
• 52:40
  ~
• 52:41
  it. Thomas Newman.
• 52:43
  I'm I'm
• 52:43
  guessing old Jonathan's not mine.
• 52:45
  Okay.
• 52:45
  It's a good
• 52:45
  I like
• 52:46
  Thomas Newman, but all of his s scores sound like Finding Nemo.
• 52:49
  Like Finding Nemo is the Thomas
• 52:49
  How Howard Yeah.
• 52:51
  Newman score, then all the other ones are just variations on Finding Nemo.
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  I I would say Howard Shore is up there.
• 52:57
  ~
• 52:57
  Yep, I would
• 52:57
  Ooh.
• 52:58
  have him at three.
• 52:59
  I wanna say not Michael Giachino because his superhero sci fi stuff
• 53:04
  has been making me so mad for some reason.
• 53:06
  But his Incredibles was was incredible.
• 53:07
  His incredible score is pretty
• 53:09
  iconic, yeah. Yeah.
• 53:09
  He he does
• 53:10
  really great work and then sometimes it's it's similar,
• 53:13
  yeah. ~
• 53:15
  So you got three of my four. You got John Williams,
• 53:17
  Yeah.
• 53:17
  Hans Zimmer, Howard Shore,
• 53:19
  Trevor Rabin.
• 53:21
  Trevor Evan.
• 53:21
  yeah.
• 53:23
  National treasure score alone.
• 53:23
  Only because I
• 53:24
  love that score and it's so weird and it's also like
• 53:27
  Ha ha.
• 53:27
  I can't
• 53:27
  think of a single national treasure soundtrack.
• 53:30
  Yeah.
• 53:31
  Dude,
• 53:32
  you'll you'll you'll understand when you hear it.
• 53:35
  It
• 53:35
  is like I would pull the all nighters at in college during like finals week
• 53:40
  and I would listen to that and be so productive while studying.
• 53:43
  It's like
• 53:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:44
  I'm working on a treasure hunt so I can pass this stats test.
• 53:47
  Anyways, it's near and dear to my heart,
• 53:50
  but I don't think he deserves Mount Rushmore.
• 53:51
  Did that work for you?
• 53:51
  Yeah.
• 53:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:54
  My last one I would give it in a heartbeat to Danny Elfman.
• 53:59
  I I
• 53:59
  Good.
• 54:00
  I considered that, yeah.
• 54:02
  I would say Hans Zimmer also, mostly because of his Prince of Egypt.
• 54:08
  Yeah.
• 54:08
  Crossing the Red Sea. That's like my favorite piece of classical music ever.
• 54:13
  So Yeah,
• 54:17
  Yeah. Well there we go.
• 54:17
  I don't know.
• 54:19
  I'm gonna leave my third one open.
• 54:22
  Okay.
• 54:23
  I I'm very interested with with the new Harry Potter series with Hans Zimmer's gonna
• 54:28
  be doing the score for those for those episodes.
• 54:30
  Is he really?
• 54:31
  So it's it's gonna be like a John Williams versus Hans Zimmer matchup.
• 54:34
  Ooh.
• 54:35
  I think that'll be kinda interesting.
• 54:37
  I don't think John Williams even cares.
• 54:39
  Yeah.
• 54:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 54:43
  He seems like he's chasing Dolly's shadow.
• 54:43
  Yeah. He he's
• 54:46
  yikes. Yeah.
• 54:50
  That's gonna be so sad.
• 54:53
  That Dolly didn't get to see the new series.
• 54:57
  Yeah.
• 54:58
  I heard she
• 54:58
  was hanging on. I heard that's what she wanted to to see.
• 55:01
  They were about to shoot steel
• 55:02
  magnolias too.
• 55:05
  S still magnoliene?
• 55:09
  Ha ha
• 55:12
  Still Magnolias. We'll workshop that one.
• 55:15
  Magnolia
• 55:15
  trees in London.
• 55:15
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 55:19
  Alright, so I think we have an accord on the music.
• 55:22
  Get it an accord.
• 55:23
  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 55:24
  We we do have an accord, we do have a
• 55:26
  We are all
• 55:26
  Okay, we'll get in a point.
• 55:26
  in one accord on
• 55:27
  the music.
• 55:30
  wrong button.
• 55:34
  There we go. Alright, so our next test is the story test,
• 55:39
  I believe. Yeah, we'll do
• 55:40
  Yep. Mm-hmm.
• 55:41
  the story test. So, ~ ba-ba-ba-ba.
• 55:47
  So from page to screen, is the script a masterpiece,
• 55:51
  or was another draft needed? In other words,
• 55:53
  is this a Paddington too or the squeakel?
• 55:57
  I think the writing in the story
• 56:00
  is my favorite Pirates movie out of all five.
• 56:06
  I think it's very good.
• 56:07
  Yeah, the pretty handily. Yeah.
• 56:09
  Yeah.
• 56:09
  Heavily good. ~ yes,
• 56:13
  I'm gonna pass it. I don't know why I wouldn't pass it,
• 56:16
  but I have a couple things to say about it.
• 56:19
  This is the essential pirates movie.
• 56:21
  This is a better movie than Muppet's Treasure Island.
• 56:24
  And I do not say that lightly.
• 56:26
  I know you don't.
• 56:27
  Note it.
• 56:28
  Consider your words marked.
• 56:30
  Well, I I have a couple of facts too.
• 56:34
  Maybe it's the same things that Jeremy has,
• 56:35
  but I was gonna mention those and th then maybe throw it to Kyle because
• 56:39
  out out of the three of us, I feel like Kyle's the writer amongst us.
• 56:41
  Kyle knows he knows the most about film in general.
• 56:42
  He can
• 56:45
  he's probably got some good insights into this script here.
• 56:46
  Yeah, we're kinda bearing the lead.
• 56:47
  Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 56:48
  Not only am I the guy that knows the most about Disney,
• 56:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 56:51
  I'm also just
• 56:52
  the guy who knows the most about movies.
• 56:54
  And as honored as I am that that you had me on,
• 56:57
  I'm equally offended that I'm appearing at episode 155.
• 57:01
  And I am not counting the appearance.
• 57:02
  Well, because you hate a lot of the movies that we love and we almost
• 57:04
  I am not counting
• 57:06
  when you called me at eleven
• 57:08
  thirty at night to ask me about John Malkovich and then put that behind a paywall?
• 57:12
  Yes,
• 57:14
  yes,
• 57:14
  You woke me up
• 57:15
  to talk to me about John Malkovich and then put it behind a paywall.
• 57:19
  No, that was a r that was on the real episode.
• 57:19
  ~ that that was John English. That was a real episode.
• 57:21
  The paywall the paywall was a separate
• 57:22
  That was on a real episode?
• 57:25
  review of something. I forgot what it was.
• 57:26
  What sh what did I do
• 57:27
  that was on the paywall? What were we talking about?
• 57:28
  It was inside out two. We did a Patreon episode,
• 57:30
  that's right. That's
• 57:30
  Inside out too, 'cause we all saw it together.
• 57:32
  R. I. P.
• 57:33
  right. We did. Yes.
• 57:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:36
  Yeah, well Jeremy and I have many things in common.
• 57:39
  We are friends because of a lot of things,
• 57:42
  and we're also friends in spite of a lot of things,
• 57:44
  Yes.
• 57:44
  and one of those
• 57:45
  is our taste in movies.
• 57:47
  I like movies, Kyle likes films.
• 57:49
  And you can put it that way. I would consider this both a movie and a film.
• 57:50
  Good good good distinction.
• 57:51
  I don't like being bored in a movie.
• 57:52
  Yeah, no, this is that's why we asked you.
• 57:53
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 57:54
  Okay.
• 57:56
  Honestly,
• 57:57
  our first question was like, y okay,
• 58:00
  Kyle was he actually did the ride.
• 58:02
  He he's perfectly qualified for this.
• 58:04
  But our
• 58:04
  I did pirates.
• 58:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 58:05
  first thing to say was, ~ check his letterbox score,
• 58:09
  'cause if he didn't like this we don't want him on.
• 58:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 58:12
  And you gave it a three point five out of five.
• 58:14
  And at first I was like, ~ that's not high enough.
• 58:17
  That's not good enough. But then Jonathan was like
• 58:17
  I was like I was like that's that's good
• 58:18
  That's not good enough.
• 58:20
  for Kyle
• 58:21
  That's great for Kyle.
• 58:22
  That's
• 58:23
  like a B. A seven out of ten? Yeah,
• 58:24
  Yeah. Yeah. So
• 58:25
  yeah. That's that's what I would say.
• 58:26
  Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 58:28
  I'd give this movie a straight old B.
• 58:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 58:30
  Right down the middle.
• 58:31
  So like a lot of the movies
• 58:33
  we've covered, Kyle hates and we just w we d we don't wanna spread that negativity
• 58:36
  out, so
• 58:38
  Yeah, I'm sorry that you don't feel like you could have me on for country bears
• 58:42
  and just have a bro love fest about
• 58:44
  We would never
• 58:44
  have let you be on that one. Hope you hope you know that.
• 58:48
  It's my favorite movie of my childhood.
• 58:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 58:48
  I'm surprised you let me be on an episode this close to you doing the country bears,
• 58:52
  'cause
• 58:54
  Say what you need to say.
• 58:56
  No, I'm I love you guys enough to keep it inside.
• 59:00
  I guess my
• 59:00
  so
• 59:01
  question would be when we're talking about story are we doing are
• 59:03
  we talking about screenplay? Is that a different category?
• 59:06
  Or are we just including that all?
• 59:07
  It's just a culmination of everything.
• 59:08
  Okay.
• 59:08
  It's it's kind of all all together.
• 59:10
  I I just wanted to have a chance I feel like when we would talk about characters,
• 59:14
  which is a future test, and acting in the
• 59:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:16
  characters, we would start getting into the story and just like what
• 59:19
  Yeah.
• 59:19
  elements we liked or what was good,
• 59:21
  what wasn't, you know, so that's why this is like a separate category.
• 59:25
  Gotcha.
• 59:27
  I okay, a couple of like story notes.
• 59:29
  one of the reasons Jerry Bruckheimer wanted to do this movie,
• 59:33
  or or at least was sold on like doing a pirate movie in general.
• 59:37
  was because of the supernatural element to the story.
• 59:40
  So if it was just like a straight up pirate movie,
• 59:43
  I don't think he was going to be interested in it.
• 59:44
  ~ the other thing I saw was Gore Verbinsky,
• 59:49
  the director, was just intrigued to do a pirate movie because at that time
• 59:55
  you didn't really see a lot of those coming across his desk.
• 59:58
  Like, you know, th they just didn't make pirate
• 59:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:00
  movies anymore. They were kind of out of fashion.
• 1:00:02
  So he wanted a chance to do
• 1:00:04
  a take for like a new generation,
• 1:00:07
  obviously, and kind of redefine the genre.
• 1:00:09
  but one thing he he said
• 1:00:11
  And he did that.
• 1:00:12
  in his in his comments was he liked that the mutiny had already taken place.
• 1:00:17
  And I took note of that because I thought that was interesting.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Like that's
• 1:00:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:21
  kind of a trope in a pirate movie is eventually they're gonna overthrow the captain,
• 1:00:25
  throw him overboard, there's gonna be a mutiny.
• 1:00:27
  And in this case you're kind of seeing Jack
• 1:00:30
  You don't know it from the start.
• 1:00:32
  You kind of get these bits and pieces and as the movie goes along you kind
• 1:00:36
  of fill in the backstory. But he's kind of trying to recover from yeah,
• 1:00:40
  like getting his ship back after being like you know,
• 1:00:43
  his crew mutinying him on that island.
• 1:00:46
  I would say yeah, it's great in that regard,
• 1:00:49
  mostly because I think they left so much up to the imagination
• 1:00:55
  for what has already happened and you have to figure it out along the way.
• 1:00:58
  But like I feel like it's more justified to have a prequel than a sequel.
• 1:01:03
  Well, I think that's why one of my least favorite parts of the movie
• 1:01:06
  is where you have a three minute thing of Gibbs explaining to ~ Will that
• 1:01:12
  he has a actual reason for being little woo-woo,
• 1:01:15
  whatever you wanna whatever is I feel like
• 1:01:18
  Yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Orlando Broom really wanted to do that,
• 1:01:20
  so they had to come up with that,
• 1:01:21
  but the whole thing is you're like,
• 1:01:22
  Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah, that that part actually took me out of the movie.
• 1:01:23
  Why is this guy like
• 1:01:25
  this? Why why is he doing this?
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:27
  And the
• 1:01:28
  fact that you have to be like,
• 1:01:29
  Well, he got dehydrated.
• 1:01:32
  He was on an island. ~
• 1:01:34
  Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  yeah, that that's definitely one of the weaker
• 1:01:35
  But reason has nothing to do with it.
• 1:01:36
  parts. Yeah, reason has nothing to do with it.
• 1:01:38
  ~ I really liked that I guess I'm considering choreography,
• 1:01:44
  like s fight scenes as writing.
• 1:01:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:46
  'Cause
• 1:01:47
  I don't know where else to put that.
• 1:01:48
  ~ but I think the sword fight is a better fight scene than any lightsaber battle
• 1:01:55
  in the original trilogy of Star Wars.
• 1:01:59
  I disagree, but
• 1:02:00
  And technically
• 1:02:00
  You might get
• 1:02:00
  some emails on that one.
• 1:02:01
  he used a red hot
• 1:02:02
  saber.
• 1:02:04
  Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  But I don't know. I think it's one of the better
• 1:02:08
  I know the original trilogy wasn't
• 1:02:10
  up to the standards of the prequel trilogy lightsaber battles,
• 1:02:12
  but like I still like, you know,
• 1:02:15
  a cloud city battle or d okay,
• 1:02:15
  He's better than anything Obi Wan could have swung.
• 1:02:17
  Let's just say that. ~ Animatronic looking.
• 1:02:18
  definitely better than a new hope.
• 1:02:18
  Cloud City you got Cloud City and then also ~ Vader Vader and Luke
• 1:02:19
  On the Death Star too.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah, that's that's a great that's a great battle,
• 1:02:24
  on ~ Return of the Jedi. I mean you got two pretty iconic ones.
• 1:02:27
  great climax. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  I said what I said.
• 1:02:30
  Okay, alright,
• 1:02:31
  just letting you know you got might
• 1:02:31
  I said what I said.
• 1:02:33
  So but I I genuinely do believe that it is better.
• 1:02:35
  And that's just my opinion.
• 1:02:37
  It is good. I I don't remember the guy's name,
• 1:02:40
  but they did have someone d ~ someone that's like worked with like Errol Flynn like
• 1:02:45
  some some person that has worked like in Hollywood movies.
• 1:02:48
  That guy's really old!
• 1:02:50
  He was an old man. He he had like worked on so many Hollywood movies and
• 1:02:54
  he did all the sword fighting like choreography on this movie.
• 1:02:56
  Mm.
• 1:02:57
  So I I don't have the name.
• 1:02:58
  Is that true? I
• 1:02:59
  guess yeah. I mean he would be super old.
• 1:03:02
  I guess he could technically have someone worked I'd I'll look into that,
• 1:03:05
  yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Mm-hmm.
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  ~
• 1:03:10
  As far as the story, like I I feel like I think it's a good ~ it's good premise
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  and like something you said earlier,
• 1:03:19
  Jeremy, is there there's a lot of like like those rule of threes,
• 1:03:22
  there's a lot of like recurring themes
• 1:03:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:24
  that get called back, but they have a purpose.
• 1:03:26
  They don't like they don't like not go anywhere.
• 1:03:28
  They all have like a satisfying payoff
• 1:03:28
  Yeah, they pay off. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  at in the end. And so I I like that.
• 1:03:35
  ~ I think there's a lot of full circle moments within the writing,
• 1:03:38
  but like even with the sword fighting,
• 1:03:40
  like they're fighting each other,
• 1:03:43
  but by the end they're sword fighting everybody together.
• 1:03:46
  Just a little bit of full circle moment there.
• 1:03:48
  Were were either of you confused the first time you saw this movie?
• 1:03:51
  Cause I I was. Like Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  Confused as a five year old?
• 1:03:54
  Well I was eight, so probably.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Like just following the story.
• 1:03:58
  So my I remember watching this at a friend's house and I remember it
• 1:04:02
  was like this kind of a dark like the color palettes and stuff is kind
• 1:04:06
  of a dark movie. And I remember watching this like middle of the day,
• 1:04:09
  the sun's like shining on the TV screen.
• 1:04:11
  So I was having a hard time like seeing some of the characters and stuff.
• 1:04:15
  But I feel like I was having a hard time following just like the curse,
• 1:04:19
  why some were like undead,
• 1:04:23
  some weren't. But it's one of those things that
• 1:04:24
  Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  as I've rewatched it, I've like pieced it together more.
• 1:04:28
  But I do remember the first time being kind of confused by the story.
• 1:04:31
  I don't know. Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:32
  It makes perfect sense now.
• 1:04:35
  But the only other thing I don't understand is like it seems like some of the
• 1:04:39
  Why the women kept slapping Jack Sparrow?
• 1:04:43
  No that's what that stuff
• 1:04:43
  Well you see Jeremy.
• 1:04:44
  that's they're putting that in the prequel.
• 1:04:45
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:04:47
  Okay. Now that I might watch that.
• 1:04:49
  That's
• 1:04:49
  HBO prequel.
• 1:04:51
  like the Mamma Mia Here We Go Again,
• 1:04:53
  but for Pirates of the Caribbean,
• 1:04:53
  Yes.
• 1:04:55
  where you gotta see why each of the women slap Jack Sparrow.
• 1:04:58
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:05:00
  I'm giving this away for free.
• 1:05:00
  I that
• 1:05:01
  that'd be a good Disney Plus show.
• 1:05:02
  That's such a good mm.
• 1:05:05
  The dating life of Jack Sparrow.
• 1:05:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:08
  what was I saying?
• 1:05:10
  you weren't sure how the curse worked?
• 1:05:13
  yeah, something about ~ like sustaining their injuries after
• 1:05:18
  the curse like goes away.
• 1:05:20
  Mm-hmm. Is lifted? Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah,
• 1:05:23
  because like everybody's getting stabbed,
• 1:05:26
  everybody's getting shot, and some of survived afterwards,
• 1:05:31
  right?
• 1:05:33
  Yeah. I'm still iffy on it.
• 1:05:35
  Yeah, the thing with Barbosa at
• 1:05:36
  the end was a little like I I didn't know the timing of it had
• 1:05:39
  How did Barbosa
• 1:05:40
  die if he got shot before? You know?
• 1:05:45
  I didn't know if like if Will had like had the coin in his hand,
• 1:05:48
  he had the blood on the coin, but he didn't drop it in with the rest of
• 1:05:52
  Did he need to drop
• 1:05:53
  Right.
• 1:05:53
  it? That's what I don't know.
• 1:05:55
  Maybe maybe not, yeah.
• 1:05:57
  I don't know. He needed to die so that he can come back in future installments.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  That's the real answer right there.
• 1:06:03
  That's
• 1:06:03
  that sequel logic.
• 1:06:04
  Don't spoil
• 1:06:04
  it for those who haven't seen this
• 1:06:05
  Ha ha.
• 1:06:06
  yet. Yeah,
• 1:06:09
  he comes back with tentacle beard.
• 1:06:10
  ~ okay,
• 1:06:13
  so greed is what made them cursed,
• 1:06:15
  and now they are consumed by it.
• 1:06:18
  I love the story where pirates are like cons they're cursed because
• 1:06:22
  of their piratiness. Like
• 1:06:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:25
  it's i
• 1:06:27
  Usually you see a pirate and you know karma comes around,
• 1:06:30
  but like this is such a perfect symbolism for what a pirate does.
• 1:06:34
  And they have to stay a pirate.
• 1:06:36
  I don't know. Greed comes with a cost.
• 1:06:37
  You like you like your pirate
• 1:06:39
  rec or your pirate movies with moral reckonings.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah. There's also
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, yeah. I I wanna I wanna
• 1:06:44
  I've always wanted to be a pirate,
• 1:06:46
  but I don't wanna be a bad person,
• 1:06:47
  you know.
• 1:06:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:49
  More of a veggie tails pirate,
• 1:06:50
  you know.
• 1:06:50
  You
• 1:06:50
  just wanna yeah. You know they don't really do anything.
• 1:06:53
  There's also the interesting wrinkle where it's
• 1:06:57
  Basically a cruise.
• 1:06:59
  a pirate movie where they're trying to return the treasure instead
• 1:07:02
  of get the treasure. They're trying to get the treasure to put it back.
• 1:07:04
  Yeah. That is that is interesting.
• 1:07:05
  That that that is a funny idea,
• 1:07:06
  Yeah, which is kinda funny.
• 1:07:07
  yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  ~
• 1:07:14
  so it's like yeah, they're technically free to pillage and do the pirate thing with
• 1:07:18
  no consequences. Even it's kinda like a superpower for if you're gonna be
• 1:07:22
  a full on pirate, but they lose their humanity at the same time.
• 1:07:27
  And they just
• 1:07:27
  You can do whatever you want, you're just not gonna enjoy anything.
• 1:07:31
  Right, right, right.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Like I I really liked
• 1:07:32
  Which, as someone who's married to a therapist,
• 1:07:34
  is called Anidonia. It's in the DSM,
• 1:07:36
  Huh.
• 1:07:37
  and you can treat it. I was get I I wish like Elizabeth,
• 1:07:42
  when he's like, no matter what we did,
• 1:07:44
  we wouldn't feel nothin'. I was she was like,
• 1:07:47
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:07:47
  You
• 1:07:48
  need some SRIs. What you have is medically diagnosable.
• 1:07:51
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:07:52
  And then he turns into
• 1:07:52
  Ha ha
• 1:07:53
  a skeleton and she's like, never mind!
• 1:07:56
  He can't even s eat the pills.
• 1:07:58
  It'll just go through his ribcage.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah. That would be a cool image.
• 1:08:00
  ~
• 1:08:02
  I
• 1:08:04
  I liked the the moment with Barbosa's got that green apple that he's like he's just
• 1:08:10
  kind of holding and playing with it like throughout different
• 1:08:12
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:12
  scenes with with Elizabeth.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  And then later on,
• 1:08:14
  Kind of a motif.
• 1:08:15
  yeah, ~ when Jack's on board, like he grabs it from him and eats it and then hands
• 1:08:21
  Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  it back to him and just like the way Barbosa's like disgusted,
• 1:08:24
  'cause he can't like he can't eat it and enjoy it.
• 1:08:25
  He can't eat it. Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  It's got a bite taken out of it now.
• 1:08:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:28
  And he
• 1:08:28
  just like throws it overboard.
• 1:08:30
  And I I just thought that was a
• 1:08:31
  Kind of a cool little subtle thing.
• 1:08:32
  Then of course you also have
• 1:08:33
  I love it.
• 1:08:33
  the biblical thing with the fruit and the curse and the Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  True. And the snow
• 1:08:37
  Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  No.
• 1:08:39
  white where she thought it was poisoned?
• 1:08:41
  Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Mm. Yeah, that's a little Disney for ya.
• 1:08:44
  ~
• 1:08:47
  I also like how the first I guess I'm spoiling the second movie,
• 1:08:51
  the end of the second movie where he comes back.
• 1:08:53
  and he eats a bite of the apple when he says hi to everybody.
• 1:08:58
  Mm. That's true. That is a good moment.
• 1:08:58
  So it's sort of like a full circle part there.
• 1:08:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Do you know why they called this Curse of the Black Pearl?
• 1:09:05
  Do you know?
• 1:09:08
  Because ~ Michael Eisner
• 1:09:09
  Yeah.
• 1:09:10
  preferred that name over
• 1:09:12
  Okay.
• 1:09:13
  Curse of the Aztec Gold or something like that.
• 1:09:15
  Like the s ship was not cursed,
• 1:09:16
  Okay.
• 1:09:16
  Okay. Yeah. That's true.
• 1:09:17
  the people on it were. So it was a compromise.
• 1:09:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:21
  ~
• 1:09:23
  Gore Verbinski hated that. He did not want it to be called that.
• 1:09:26
  ~ but he compromised and had marketing team put like Curse of the Black Pearl very
• 1:09:32
  tiny at the bottom of the movie.
• 1:09:34
  Would it have even
• 1:09:35
  had a subtitle or would it just have been Pirates of the Caribbean?
• 1:09:38
  Well, he wanted it to be more sequalized.
• 1:09:40
  ~ and then that's why they called it something.
• 1:09:41
  Okay. Eisner did? Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Yeah. ~
• 1:09:46
  Well Eisner originally did not want to
• 1:09:46
  in case it was successful enough.
• 1:09:48
  do the movie because a bunch of the live action ride movies were bombing.
• 1:09:55
  Terribly. This was the first one that worked.
• 1:09:56
  See our previous episodes.
• 1:09:57
  Yeah, they because of
• 1:09:58
  Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Country Bears, this movie almost didn't come out,
• 1:10:01
  which is a shame because ~ I'm fully
• 1:10:02
  Yeah, I want you to sit with that.
• 1:10:04
  I want you to just think about that.
• 1:10:05
  Hm?
• 1:10:06
  aware that it's not a great movie,
• 1:10:08
  but it is a a wonderful movie.
• 1:10:10
  That's because Disney fans didn't show up for that movie,
• 1:10:12
  okay? This isn't on
• 1:10:13
  Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  this isn't on Peter Hastings, the director of Country Bears,
• 1:10:16
  okay?
• 1:10:16
  It's not
• 1:10:17
  It absolutely is.
• 1:10:17
  our fault that two
• 1:10:18
  thousand two was one of the greatest movies for cinema,
• 1:10:20
  period.
• 1:10:22
  let's see what else, what else,
• 1:10:23
  what else? I love that Jack Sparrow's
• 1:10:24
  I mean go ahead.
• 1:10:25
  character I guess is part of his character,
• 1:10:27
  but he uses weaponized I don't know,
• 1:10:30
  like idiocracy to be like the best genius
• 1:10:33
  That's a good way to put it.
• 1:10:34
  pirate. He's like I consider him the Jar Jar Binks of Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 1:10:38
  No, no. I will take No.
• 1:10:39
  Because Jar Jar Binks is secretly a genius,
• 1:10:43
  but he's
• 1:10:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:44
  clumsy too.
• 1:10:47
  Yo you I will take Columbo and Bugs Bunny,
• 1:10:51
  but you don't you don't get Char Binks.
• 1:10:51
  Currently Kyle is commenting
• 1:10:53
  on his own episode right now. No
• 1:11:00
  Stop it.
• 1:11:01
  I've
• 1:11:02
  never thought of Jar Jar once while watching this movie,
• 1:11:05
  and I'm very mad that you're making me think about Jar Jar now.
• 1:11:09
  He's basically y was inspired by Jar Jar Binks's character,
• 1:11:15
  so much so that Johnny Depp got an Oscar nomination for this role.
• 1:11:19
  Sit with that one, Kyle.
• 1:11:23
  ~ I won't. But thank you.
• 1:11:25
  Kyle is anti Binks if you haven't heard.
• 1:11:28
  I'm very anti Binx. I'm in the anti Binx camp.
• 1:11:30
  I bet he doesn't even like
• 1:11:30
  Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  pineapple on pizza.
• 1:11:34
  This is true.
• 1:11:36
  Okay, so ~ I think it gets a story point.
• 1:11:40
  I mean, does anybody have any issues
• 1:11:41
  Very much.
• 1:11:42
  with the story? I feel like it's a good a good story,
• 1:11:44
  it was worth making. Kyle, do you have any thoughts?
• 1:11:46
  My my issues
• 1:11:47
  aren't enough to not give it a point.
• 1:11:49
  One
• 1:11:49
  Okay.
• 1:11:50
  second.
• 1:11:50
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:11:54
  It's a good enough story. ~ it's it's maybe fifteen,
• 1:11:57
  twenty minutes too long. It stalls it stalls in a couple places.
• 1:12:00
  It is very long. Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  story story is different than screenplay though.
• 1:12:05
  I think there's things about the screenplay we've already talked about,
• 1:12:08
  dialogue, character choices that really elevate it.
• 1:12:10
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  ~
• 1:12:11
  Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  but it's
• 1:12:12
  a very passable story. And like you said,
• 1:12:14
  it is definitely the best story of all of them.
• 1:12:16
  It's the most grounded.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah. Yeah. And almost I it was s it wasn't really setting up for a sequel too much.
• 1:12:24
  So it's very itself there was always gonna be one,
• 1:12:26
  Well, there was always gonna be one.
• 1:12:27
  I guess I it was
• 1:12:29
  yeah.
• 1:12:29
  kind of a question until it came out,
• 1:12:30
  but yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, and then it was the greatest movie of all time.
• 1:12:34
  okay, so the acting test.
• 1:12:38
  ~
• 1:12:38
  Okay.
• 1:12:40
  we like to consider this like
• 1:12:43
  Is this Robin Williams versus the Rock in comparison?
• 1:12:46
  So like in every Robin Williams movie,
• 1:12:48
  you're playing a character and you know that it's Robin Williams,
• 1:12:52
  but he fits so well in this character.
• 1:12:55
  And then when you're the rock in a movie,
• 1:12:57
  that character just sinks to the bottom because he's the rock.
• 1:13:00
  Is i is the acting believable?
• 1:13:03
  You you don't think The Rock became
• 1:13:05
  someone else in the jungle cruise?
• 1:13:06
  You felt like you're watching The Rock when you're watching the Jungle Cruise?
• 1:13:10
  The rock became an actual
• 1:13:11
  rock in the jungle cruise. So True story if you haven't seen
• 1:13:13
  Yeah. ~
• 1:13:17
  that movie.
• 1:13:19
  I have not.
• 1:13:20
  It's not great. ~ Yeah,
• 1:13:25
  so it what w what do you guys think about the acting?
• 1:13:28
  I think since Johnny Depp got an Oscar nomination,
• 1:13:32
  this automatically is passing.
• 1:13:34
  ~ who's
• 1:13:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is green.
• 1:13:35
  I'll
• 1:13:36
  the worst actor?
• 1:13:40
  Honestly, it's probably Orlando Bloom.
• 1:13:41
  Maybe Orlando Bloom.
• 1:13:42
  Yep.
• 1:13:42
  I was gonna
• 1:13:43
  say that he sucks.
• 1:13:45
  I I was gonna mention to you guys,
• 1:13:47
  see, I I mean I didn't know who Johnny Depp was when this movie came out.
• 1:13:51
  I was interested in this movie because the guy that was in Lord of the Rings
• 1:13:54
  was in this. Like Legolas is in a new movie.
• 1:13:56
  That's
• 1:13:56
  Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  probably gonna be good. ~ Aragorn is in this movie called Hidalgo.
• 1:14:01
  That's probably gonna be good.
• 1:14:02
  Mm.
• 1:14:03
  You know, so that that's why I went to see Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 1:14:06
  And
• 1:14:06
  Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  so I left the movie feeling like,
• 1:14:10
  like he
• 1:14:11
  was not the star of that movie.
• 1:14:13
  It's all about yeah,
• 1:14:14
  No, no.
• 1:14:15
  Jack Sparrow.
• 1:14:17
  Argumentatively, it's debatable that Elizabeth Swan is the main character
• 1:14:22
  of this movie.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:24
  It's a little trio, I kinda like it.
• 1:14:26
  It is a bit of a trio, but I think that's one of the things that works
• 1:14:30
  so well in this movie is the main
• 1:14:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:32
  character is split into two side characters,
• 1:14:34
  and then the side character is the main character.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah.
• 1:14:38
  And it works so much better that
• 1:14:38
  Right, right, right, right, right.
• 1:14:39
  way. It's almost like s Elizabeth Swan and Will Turner are like the same character.
• 1:14:45
  They have a lot of the same.
• 1:14:46
  Well, they have the same last name for most of it.
• 1:14:49
  Yes, that's true.
• 1:14:52
  But yeah, it's it's really interesting because you would normally use Johnny Depp
• 1:14:57
  as the side character and Orlando Bloom would be the main character,
• 1:15:00
  but you keep the you keep the characterizations and you just flip
• 1:15:04
  the screen time and it works so much better this way because just Johnny Depp just
• 1:15:08
  made this role so interesting.
• 1:15:10
  i th he didn't have to go so hard in a completely different direction
• 1:15:15
  of what a pirate is in everyone's mind.
• 1:15:17
  Like Barbosa
• 1:15:18
  Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  did that. He plays the perfect pirate but like
• 1:15:21
  Mm-hmm. That's right.
• 1:15:24
  Jack Sparrow is Keith Richards but a pirate.
• 1:15:30
  Once you know he's doing Keith Richards,
• 1:15:32
  like you can't unsee it, but I don't think anyone
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, it is kinda
• 1:15:34
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:35
  knew he was going to be doing that till he showed up on set and started.
• 1:15:39
  And they're kinda like, What do we do?
• 1:15:39
  Yes, they were actually the Disney
• 1:15:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:41
  Do we just let him?
• 1:15:43
  Possibly. I I noticed he was a little bit grinchy,
• 1:15:47
  like Jim Carrey's the Grinch. In some in
• 1:15:50
  Mm, okay.
• 1:15:51
  just in some of his movements.
• 1:15:52
  I don't know.
• 1:15:57
  ~
• 1:15:57
  Okay.
• 1:15:57
  But
• 1:15:57
  that's this is one of those things that's kind of like a Will Ferrell and elf.
• 1:16:00
  While you're making it, you're like,
• 1:16:01
  this is either genius or it's gonna go over in flames.
• 1:16:05
  It's g it's gonna go over like
• 1:16:06
  Yes.
• 1:16:07
  a lead balloon. And there's a couple instances where it turns
• 1:16:10
  out it's actually genius. And then there's other instances
• 1:16:12
  It is genius.
• 1:16:13
  like Dane O'Carvey and Master of Disguise where you're like,
• 1:16:16
  We might never work again. If we let this guy keep doing this,
• 1:16:16
  Genius.
• 1:16:20
  this might be the last film any of us make.
• 1:16:20
  I'm not sure he did work
• 1:16:22
  again actually.
• 1:16:23
  Jeremy, programming
• 1:16:24
  He's yeah, he's also in jail.
• 1:16:25
  note, let's not have Kyle on for Master of Disguise.
• 1:16:28
  ~ no. Not yet,
• 1:16:28
  Okay. Noted.
• 1:16:29
  ~ have you guys not done that one already?
• 1:16:31
  I would have thought
• 1:16:31
  Nah.
• 1:16:32
  but we will.
• 1:16:33
  that you would have done all the children's movies that got zero percent
• 1:16:36
  on Rotten Tomatoes, so I stand corrected.
• 1:16:37
  'Cause
• 1:16:38
  our taste is so horrible. Okay.
• 1:16:41
  yeah, he read it he I was gonna finish something up with the Keith Richards.
• 1:16:42
  ~ okay, I wanted to ask you guys a question.
• 1:16:44
  ~ go ahead, Jeremy. Okay.
• 1:16:47
  The reason he
• 1:16:48
  chose Keith Richards is because he was reading books about pirates
• 1:16:52
  and somebody some historian was like,
• 1:16:55
  Yeah, they were kinda like the rock stars of their time So then he
• 1:16:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:58
  decided I'm gonna model this after Keith Richards who kinda already looks like
• 1:17:02
  Keith Richards was probably alive
• 1:17:03
  a pirate.
• 1:17:04
  during the time of Pirates of the Caribbean is set.
• 1:17:08
  Probably. That
• 1:17:10
  Yeah.
• 1:17:10
  One of my favourite
• 1:17:11
  was actual footage w
• 1:17:12
  his cameo.
• 1:17:15
  we already kinda talked about how Will Turner or Orlando Bloom was
• 1:17:18
  not a great actor, but he gets better.
• 1:17:20
  It's ironic
• 1:17:21
  that he's a blacksmith, but also the weakest link.
• 1:17:24
  Zoe Zaldana's in this movie. Surprisingly,
• 1:17:26
  She is a very young Zoe Seldana.
• 1:17:26
  Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  ~
• 1:17:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:29
  she's been like a sneaky infiltrator in a lot of movie franchises.
• 1:17:32
  this is
• 1:17:33
  to be like one of her first, if not her first,
• 1:17:35
  like big speaking role in a movie?
• 1:17:35
  Very one of her very first roles
• 1:17:36
  Yeah.
• 1:17:38
  Jack the monkey is seen smiling when Barbosa thanks him specifically after
• 1:17:44
  he returns the Aztec coin to him and like you know,
• 1:17:48
  after Jack Sparrow chases him.
• 1:17:50
  ~ in the special features it is revealed that the monkey did this purely by chance.
• 1:17:57
  And it wasn't planned out. But I think he's just a good actor.
• 1:18:01
  Monkeys can make choices. Why can't why is Merrill
• 1:18:02
  Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  They make choices.
• 1:18:04
  Streep allowed to make a choice,
• 1:18:05
  but the capuchin can't?
• 1:18:08
  The capuchin in Night of the Museum was a very good actor.
• 1:18:12
  Is this the same monkey? I'm inclined to think it's the same monkey.
• 1:18:14
  Definitely not. Definitely not.
• 1:18:15
  No? Different monkey? Okay. Hmm.
• 1:18:16
  No. nah. Definitely not. ~
• 1:18:20
  But i they're definitely related.
• 1:18:21
  There's a lot of nepotism in monkey business of Hollywood.
• 1:18:25
  I mean there can't be that many capuchins like just on call for Hollywood.
• 1:18:30
  It's not like there's capuchin casting calls.
• 1:18:33
  They've got maybe four or five of them.
• 1:18:34
  True.
• 1:18:35
  Yeah.
• 1:18:37
  Are we passing the acting test?
• 1:18:39
  Yeah, with automatic. ~
• 1:18:40
  I mean a aside from
• 1:18:41
  Orlando Bloom, I think everyone.
• 1:18:43
  Like Jeffrey Rush, e everyone is so good in this.
• 1:18:47
  I agree. Alright, we'll pass that.
• 1:18:48
  Mm-hmm. Jonathan Price?
• 1:18:49
  Alright, moving on to the characters
• 1:18:51
  test.
• 1:18:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:18:52
  We've got five different categories.
• 1:18:56
  And I added actually a sixth category of how we can fill this,
• 1:19:00
  fill these boxes. We've got the lead and hero,
• 1:19:03
  which is kind of confusing because there's three.
• 1:19:05
  ~ but we talked about how well that works.
• 1:19:08
  we were just about to say something,
• 1:19:09
  right? You were like the this movie goes to the point of view of Will Turner.
• 1:19:13
  Yeah, wh who do you see the who do you think the p the POV character is
• 1:19:18
  for you when you watch it?
• 1:19:21
  I genuinely think it's ~ Elizabeth Swan.
• 1:19:24
  That's the right answer. Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Yeah. I I don't think we're supposed to ever be in the POV of ~
• 1:19:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:33
  Sparrow at all. That's
• 1:19:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:36
  kind of his thing, like he kind of like makes his own decisions by himself.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:40
  Like he doesn't show people
• 1:19:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:41
  his
• 1:19:41
  cards ever. Like even at the point where he's trying to escape from
• 1:19:46
  the jail cell and then Will comes down the stairs and he just like lays
• 1:19:50
  on the ground and acts like he was sleeping.
• 1:19:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:52
  Like he doesn't want to be seen
• 1:19:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:53
  as someone who's trying to figure something out.
• 1:19:55
  That's right. You don't have access to his
• 1:19:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:57
  part of his genius.
• 1:19:59
  to his thought process at any point.
• 1:20:01
  It's you're always reacting to whatever he just did.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah. Which makes
• 1:20:05
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  him one of the greatest side characters of all time.
• 1:20:08
  Elizabeth Swan is like the damsel in distress,
• 1:20:11
  but she's not your ordinary damsel,
• 1:20:13
  because she also low key wants to be a pirate.
• 1:20:15
  ~ but she's very capable,
• 1:20:18
  hates corsets.
• 1:20:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:21
  But arguably
• 1:20:22
  the main character.
• 1:20:25
  I would say the point of view character,
• 1:20:27
  if not the main character. When the film opens,
• 1:20:29
  this is kinda interesting because it gets kinda into cognitive film theory,
• 1:20:32
  but when the film opens, you are in her point of view because she's the
• 1:20:38
  one that is experiencing the shipwreck that they pull Will on board.
• 1:20:43
  Yes.
• 1:20:43
  All
• 1:20:43
  of the information that you are getting is because she's in that situation.
• 1:20:48
  So you learn about the medallion.
• 1:20:50
  You don't have any information that she doesn't have.
• 1:20:53
  And that stays the same way through the movie.
• 1:20:56
  Even though you're ~ kind of omniscient,
• 1:20:59
  you jump back between Will and Jack and Elizabeth.
• 1:21:01
  Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  As Barbosa is explaining the curse and the mechanics and the mission
• 1:21:06
  of what they're doing, you are learning it at the same time as her.
• 1:21:09
  You are learning that they're all undead ghost pirates at the same time.
• 1:21:13
  You're supposed to be having
• 1:21:13
  Yes.
• 1:21:14
  the same cognitive experience as she is,
• 1:21:17
  so she's technically the POV character.
• 1:21:19
  Shall we talk about the rest of them?
• 1:21:21
  Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Okay, yeah.
• 1:21:24
  We've got ~ great villains. We've got the Barbosa,
• 1:21:27
  kind of like a mutinous first mate.
• 1:21:29
  And I don't know.
• 1:21:32
  He's like such a great pirate.
• 1:21:34
  He's a better pirate than Captain Hook when it comes to villains.
• 1:21:38
  I think so. I like
• 1:21:40
  I mean, which Captain Hook are
• 1:21:41
  we talking about? Are we talking about classic nineteen fifty three animated,
• 1:21:43
  Justin Hoffman.
• 1:21:44
  Dustin Hoffman in the movie Hook?
• 1:21:46
  Are we talking about Christopher Walken in the ~ live television ~ musical that came
• 1:21:52
  out a few years ago?
• 1:21:53
  Always
• 1:21:53
  Christopher Walken.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  Not an animatronic, he
• 1:21:59
  actually played Captain Hook.
• 1:22:01
  Is that technically a Disney film?
• 1:22:04
  I choose to think no.
• 1:22:06
  Okay. Cause he's only been in two Disney films.
• 1:22:12
  No?
• 1:22:13
  And he talks to a talking bear that sings.
• 1:22:16
  In a both of those, yeah. Jungle book.
• 1:22:16
  In both of them. Now what's what's what's the other one?
• 1:22:20
  What's country
• 1:22:21
  bears and junk that's right. In both of them.
• 1:22:24
  Yeah.
• 1:22:25
  Okay, so we've got Barbosa, he's a leader capable of mutiny,
• 1:22:28
  manipulation, and just sheer villainy.
• 1:22:30
  ~ he has a monkey instead of a parrot,
• 1:22:33
  so he's very noticeable. and he always is carrying around
• 1:22:40
  a green apple. So he's a very iconic,
• 1:22:43
  notable villain when it comes to looks.
• 1:22:46
  But I just find him genuinely scary.
• 1:22:49
  Maybe just because he's all the pirates look scary in this movie.
• 1:22:54
  He's also got some jaundice going on.
• 1:22:54
  But he's also a Yep. Yep. Yep.
• 1:22:56
  That's a little freaky. That looks contagious.
• 1:22:58
  He's got some
• 1:22:58
  Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  Maybe a little pink eye.
• 1:23:00
  scurvy going on.
• 1:23:01
  He
• 1:23:02
  he's also just smart, you know,
• 1:23:04
  so he's just like I mean, compared to the crew and
• 1:23:04
  He is very smart. He's also kinda nice too though.
• 1:23:08
  yeah.
• 1:23:09
  Yeah, yeah, it's a nice guy.
• 1:23:10
  Like he was also kind of
• 1:23:11
  a kind grandpa. Like the moment where
• 1:23:13
  He he was a good host?
• 1:23:15
  he's very good host. But like when Elizabeth thought she she was gonna
• 1:23:20
  die after the blood and he was like,
• 1:23:22
  Ways not winked at her. I was like,
• 1:23:25
  That's such a grandpa thing to say.
• 1:23:27
  ~ yeah, so the name Barbosa might have been derived from the real Turkish pirate
• 1:23:33
  Barbasoa. No barbacoa.
• 1:23:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:37
  Bar Barbarossa. Which means red beard in Latin.
• 1:23:42
  ~ Barbasol,
• 1:23:43
  is that where we get Barbasol?
• 1:23:44
  Barbasol. Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:46
  because you the red beard that's genius.
• 1:23:48
  All right. Who would you say the supporting characters are,
• 1:23:51
  Jeremy? I mean, we've already talked
• 1:23:53
  I would say
• 1:23:54
  about Will and Elizabeth.
• 1:23:55
  If we are gonna consider those three as the trio,
• 1:23:57
  there's plenty more characters to go around.
• 1:23:58
  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:59
  We can consider them the leads,
• 1:24:01
  and that's fine. ~
• 1:24:02
  Okay.
• 1:24:04
  supporting characters, I would say Gibbs as one.
• 1:24:07
  Mr. Gibbs, yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:08
  Mr. Gibbs is right there to explain everything
• 1:24:10
  that's going on. But it's like so good too.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah, he's kind of the exposition guy.
• 1:24:14
  Yeah, he's the exposition guy.
• 1:24:15
  Did they ever did
• 1:24:16
  they ever explain why he was like working with the British at first
• 1:24:20
  and then he becomes a pirate
• 1:24:20
  Dude, I don't know.
• 1:24:22
  later on in the movie? I guess yeah.
• 1:24:22
  Well he he he follows the money.
• 1:24:24
  That's what the pirates do, right?
• 1:24:25
  He's gonna go he's
• 1:24:26
  gonna go wherever the wind blows him.
• 1:24:29
  He just seemed scared of pirates at the start,
• 1:24:31
  but then he went and joined I guess,
• 1:24:33
  Maybe he has experience
• 1:24:34
  so
• 1:24:34
  with them. Maybe he was an undercover one.
• 1:24:35
  Well, do you think that could be l like
• 1:24:37
  a little Yeah, maybe he's undercover pirate.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Mm.
• 1:24:40
  Could maybe, yeah. That'll be in the prequel that Jeremy's talking about.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah.
• 1:24:47
  And the Mamma Mia, you know, musical.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah, I would say Gibbs is a is the best supporting character
• 1:24:55
  Okay.
• 1:24:55
  here.
• 1:24:57
  I ~ I really like ~ Commodore Norrington.
• 1:25:01
  I feel like his character is
• 1:25:02
  I do too.
• 1:25:03
  really interesting because he he he comes across as competent,
• 1:25:10
  yet he never is gonna catch Captain Jack Sparrow,
• 1:25:13
  you know? Like he's always
• 1:25:14
  Right.
• 1:25:14
  gonna be chasing. He's never gonna get him.
• 1:25:17
  But he's also comes across like he's not like as competent,
• 1:25:23
  as smart, like
• 1:25:24
  It's not always his fault that like Jack slips through his fingers,
• 1:25:27
  you know. I don't know. I just thought that was kind of an interesting.
• 1:25:31
  They don't like portray him as like a buffoon,
• 1:25:33
  you know, type.
• 1:25:34
  Well, he he completely underestimates him at every single turn.
• 1:25:37
  Mm. Mm. Well that's that is true.
• 1:25:37
  It's not like he's he's bumbling,
• 1:25:38
  Yeah. It's gonna be the best worst pirate I've ever heard.
• 1:25:40
  Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  but if he was able to actually
• 1:25:43
  anticipate or just think that just just have the thought that he might
• 1:25:48
  be getting set up, then he would be able to kind of be a couple of steps ahead.
• 1:25:52
  But it doesn't even enter his mind that Jack might actually have something else
• 1:25:56
  in mind. And when he loses, that's that's probably one of the best sequences where
• 1:26:01
  he starts off on the one ship to go to the other ship.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah. The switcheroo.
• 1:26:05
  Yeah, that's great.
• 1:26:06
  ~ okay, so minor characters and cameos.
• 1:26:09
  We don't really have any cameos in this one.
• 1:26:11
  We'll wait till the second one to talk about that one.
• 1:26:14
  But minor characters. I love cotton.
• 1:26:16
  Cotton is the best. The pirate that has a parrot that talks for him 'cause
• 1:26:21
  he got his tongue cut out.
• 1:26:23
  That that guy. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  man, he's great. ~
• 1:26:26
  Yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Then we've got the scene stealer.
• 1:26:31
  We've got I'm gonna say Jack Sparrow is the scene stealer.
• 1:26:34
  And the main one
• 1:26:35
  Okay, okay.
• 1:26:36
  of the main leads. And then
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, yep. Automatic.
• 1:26:38
  the sixth category I've got is the dynamic duo.
• 1:26:41
  Okay, good.
• 1:26:43
  Reggeti and Pintel. Isn't that crazy
• 1:26:45
  I never knew their names until I looked up.
• 1:26:47
  that they're so iconic yet you don't know their names at all?
• 1:26:51
  Yeah. The the pirates, the one that has the the wooden eye and then the other guy.
• 1:26:57
  Everyone knows who he's talking about.
• 1:26:57
  The one eye guy and the short guy,
• 1:26:59
  yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah. ~
• 1:27:02
  yeah, they're de I put them as scene stealers,
• 1:27:04
  yeah, they're a a dynamic duo for sure.
• 1:27:06
  I I like the like the British officers duo that's like guarding
• 1:27:11
  the ship while they're having the I like them,
• 1:27:12
  They are also a great dynamic duo,
• 1:27:14
  but they get overshadowed by the pirate duo.
• 1:27:15
  okay. That that is true,
• 1:27:17
  So Mhm.
• 1:27:18
  that is true. Hmm.
• 1:27:21
  Yeah, the wooden eyeball is really genius because usually you see there
• 1:27:24
  was not one pirate that had a eye patch.
• 1:27:26
  Or no, cotton may have had an eye patch,
• 1:27:28
  right?
• 1:27:30
  I don't know, he's your guy.
• 1:27:30
  Think so.
• 1:27:31
  Yeah.
• 1:27:31
  But you'd think that you'd
• 1:27:32
  think that a pirate would have an eye patch,
• 1:27:35
  but he no, he just got a prosthetic.
• 1:27:36
  With splinters.
• 1:27:40
  Does Barbosa not wear an eye patch at any point?
• 1:27:42
  No? Okay. Hm.
• 1:27:43
  I don't think he does. Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  I d I don't think so.
• 1:27:46
  ~
• 1:27:48
  yeah, they're I mean often we'll see a wooden leg,
• 1:27:51
  but not a wooden eyeball. I I really like that.
• 1:27:54
  Yeah, they kinda leaned away from the pirate tropes,
• 1:27:56
  yeah.
• 1:27:56
  I would watch an entire side story mov I would watch a Lion King one
• 1:28:00
  and a half version of just them.
• 1:28:02
  what I love about these characters is that they progress
• 1:28:07
  the plot and explain some things through some very side small tiny characters
• 1:28:14
  like like the those two soldiers.
• 1:28:17
  ~ kind of explain like what what the black pearl was and like what you know.
• 1:28:23
  And I don't feel like movies do that anymore.
• 1:28:23
  Boot straps, bootstraps.
• 1:28:25
  I feel like every movie in major blockbuster these days,
• 1:28:29
  it's like here's the group of six people that are gonna save the whole movie
• 1:28:33
  and we gotta explain everything.
• 1:28:34
  And then like the it's like the six leads and then extras.
• 1:28:39
  But this it trickles down all the way through the entire like spectrum
• 1:28:45
  of characters. I love this.
• 1:28:48
  It's one of the better ways to do an exposition,
• 1:28:51
  not even a dump, but like you said,
• 1:28:53
  a trickle, where if
• 1:28:54
  Yeah.
• 1:28:54
  you have to get stuff out, you want to do it kind of like a old timey
• 1:28:58
  two two-hander British duo. And there's
• 1:29:01
  Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  a couple of those there. It's a good way to do it.
• 1:29:03
  Whereas now, because everyone's just assumed that they're gonna be on their phones,
• 1:29:07
  the studios are like, Alright,
• 1:29:09
  you have to tell someone when a character enters a room you have
• 1:29:13
  to have it announced, or if there's an important
• 1:29:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:29:14
  plot element, you have to have it said three times.
• 1:29:18
  And it's just killing creativity and it's just so
• 1:29:20
  Yeah.
• 1:29:20
  annoying, but it is really refreshing to see kind of a creative way to go about it.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah. They were very much giving me like Ardman Studios,
• 1:29:31
  like Flushed Away or Wallace and Gromit people.
• 1:29:34
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
• 1:29:36
  I loved them. They were awesome.
• 1:29:38
  Okay, so are we gonna pass this for the characters?
• 1:29:41
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  I agree.
• 1:29:44
  Okay. Let's move on to the sensational set design test.
• 1:29:53
  Does this movie and the set design just blow your mind?
• 1:29:57
  Did they have iconic filming locations?
• 1:29:59
  yes, yes, and yes. There wasn't even a third question,
• 1:30:03
  but yes, yes, and yes. the cave scenes and like most of the interior shots were
• 1:30:09
  filmed on a soundstage in LA, but they actually went to the Caribbean for this also.
• 1:30:15
  So they filmed
• 1:30:16
  Orlando?
• 1:30:18
  Ha ha ha.
• 1:30:18
  Orlando,
• 1:30:18
  yes. Orlando was there.
• 1:30:20
  Yeah. Blue?
• 1:30:21
  He was blooming.
• 1:30:23
  they went to St. Thomas for a lot of the exteriors of the island because
• 1:30:27
  it was not fully developed over there.
• 1:30:30
  So there's a lot of like natural island areas.
• 1:30:33
  and then the island where Jack and Elizabeth are left and stranded,
• 1:30:40
  the Rum Runners area. ~ it's called Petit Tobac,
• 1:30:44
  part of the Tobago Kays or Keys.
• 1:30:50
  It's a popular sailing destination compromising five uninhabited islands.
• 1:30:55
  With a Finnish sailing crew ~ when a Finnish sailing crew visited
• 1:31:00
  the island in January of two thousand and three,
• 1:31:02
  they discovered a pile of debris and burned palm tree leaves,
• 1:31:07
  and they were not aware that it had been a recent movie shooting scene.
• 1:31:11
  Mm.
• 1:31:13
  So they're like, Wow, what's all this crap doing here?
• 1:31:16
  ~ I'm not sure if this counts,
• 1:31:19
  but Elizabeth picked up the medallion in her dresser and the dust around
• 1:31:25
  the medallion was so detail oriented.
• 1:31:29
  It was so good. It was like she hadn't picked it up in years.
• 1:31:31
  I loved that
• 1:31:32
  Yeah, I had noticed that. Yeah,
• 1:31:33
  that was a cool touch.
• 1:31:34
  a lot. ~ They only shot six days of the film's production on C.
• 1:31:43
  A at sea, not on sea, sorry.
• 1:31:44
  Yeah. It's crazy.
• 1:31:47
  The Black Pearl isn't a real ship,
• 1:31:48
  by the way.
• 1:31:50
  Yeah, there's only one real boat and it wasn't the Pearl and the other boats were
• 1:31:54
  on rigs, also just in the water.
• 1:31:57
  ~ but they had half of the missing ship.
• 1:32:00
  So it was like dollhouse so they could film the insides a lot better.
• 1:32:04
  then they patch up holes and gaps in post whenever they were
• 1:32:12
  using the actual shots of the ship.
• 1:32:15
  So,
• 1:32:19
  I think that's all I need to say about the ships.
• 1:32:21
  The underwater boat scene,
• 1:32:25
  iconic, will you say? I would say.
• 1:32:27
  The where they're walking underneath.
• 1:32:28
  Mythbusters seem to think so.
• 1:32:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:30
  I watched
• 1:32:31
  that Mythbusters episode a couple w weeks ago,
• 1:32:35
  not knowing we were gonna do this episode,
• 1:32:35
  Yeah. I actually Googled
• 1:32:37
  and
• 1:32:38
  that. I was like, that's there's no way that's a thing.
• 1:32:40
  And turns
• 1:32:41
  It's not a thing.
• 1:32:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:42
  out it is not a thing.
• 1:32:43
  They busted that one. They b they also busted the the silverware and glass
• 1:32:49
  in the cannons. That doesn't work as well either,
• 1:32:53
  so
• 1:32:53
  ~ okay. Okay.
• 1:32:54
  In a separate
• 1:32:55
  episode I think they busted the they could both fit on the door in the Titanic.
• 1:33:01
  Yes.
• 1:33:03
  that's all I've got. I thought everything was great.
• 1:33:06
  The locations were amazing. You can't not shoot in the Caribbean and it'd be great.
• 1:33:10
  So but on top of that, the set design was great.
• 1:33:14
  They had to create the illusion of three different boats
• 1:33:19
  Mm. Even
• 1:33:20
  up close and then
• 1:33:22
  even the whole town of Port Royal there,
• 1:33:24
  like that I
• 1:33:25
  Gorgeous.
• 1:33:25
  yeah.
• 1:33:25
  mean that that iconic I mean, I don't even what you what you what do you call that?
• 1:33:30
  The the tower that yeah, the fort,
• 1:33:30
  Fort? Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  yeah, that
• 1:33:33
  that Kira Knightley falls off of,
• 1:33:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So great.
• 1:33:34
  you know, and then and
• 1:33:36
  then Johnny Depp also, but yeah.
• 1:33:38
  Even the blacksmith shop is awesome.
• 1:33:40
  Yeah. Like going through the town and stuff,
• 1:33:43
  like us the the pirates are pillaging and burning it down and yeah,
• 1:33:48
  it was all it was all good.
• 1:33:49
  My
• 1:33:49
  I also this
• 1:33:49
  Yeah.
• 1:33:50
  is I love the detail where the second time he picks up the hot poker,
• 1:33:54
  the donkey starts going like automatically.
• 1:33:55
  Yes.
• 1:33:56
  That's that's a good that's a good payoff.
• 1:33:56
  Mm.
• 1:34:00
  so yeah, I think it was great.
• 1:34:01
  It was pretty self explanatory.
• 1:34:03
  Passin'?
• 1:34:05
  I'm good to give it a point.
• 1:34:07
  Alrighty. Kyle, passing?
• 1:34:08
  Definitely.
• 1:34:09
  Alright.