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Jeff Kinley: Reaching a Generation Hungry for Hope & Truth · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey friends, thank you so much for tuning in.
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We've got Jeff Kinley back with us, talk about some exciting things, particularly about
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the youth in this nation and how we can equip them, not we, but Jeff and Todd.
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Of course, I try to do that too in a different way.
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So Jeff Kenley, it's great to have him back with us.
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This brother, we just amazed at the ministry.
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This guy, he should look a lot older because he's done a lot of ministry.
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So we'll get an update from him, Jeff, the website, Jeff, Kenley.com.
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Also another one, the prophecy prose podcast with him and Todd Hampton, Hampson.
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And future hope dot now is a new site and an exciting vision that they have there.
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We're going to talk about a little later on in the podcast, but Jeff, thank you so much
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for your time.
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It's good to see you, David.
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It's always great to be on and really appreciate everything that you do.
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I'm a big fan.
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Well, praise God.
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Now, thank you for catching us up on your busy life.
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Before we got on the air, you mentioned you were in Germany or Alaska.
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And just tell us a little bit about where you've been speaking.
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What do you've been doing?
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And I don't know how you do it, but go ahead.
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Well, it's just been very exciting just to see the places that God opens up.
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Doors of opportunity for ministry was over in Germany,
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speaking at a conference, focusing on Israel and then also teaching a couple of classes
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at the Bible school there while I was there and was in Belgium earlier in the summer,
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speaking at a church there.
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So and getting ready to head off to Chino Hills and do some conference ministry there
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with some youth.
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And so yeah, very busy up to the end of the year.
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That's going to finish strong.
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Yeah, that's amazing.
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And you guys are.
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I'll tell you, I don't know.
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You've got so many things going on and you've done so much ministry already.
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I think it's time to jump into this book.
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This is an amazing book so well done, a visual guide to the end times.
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If you're new to this podcast, we had the co-author Todd Hampson on about three weeks,
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maybe a month ago.
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I don't remember now, but it was recently.
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If you're going to look that up, we focused on the book.
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But because we do want to get to some exciting things that they're working on,
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Jeff and Todd, I just want to ask Jeff a couple questions about the book.
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And one of them is really the fact that you guys have written many other books on eschatology.
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So I know this is a visual guide, but what else is different about this one, Jeff?
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Well, what's different about this book, which is very exciting is that it's very comprehensive.
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In other words, it covers not only the events and the timeline of the end times,
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but it goes into who are the people, who are the key players, the key principles involved in
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this end times drama. We talk about angels in the book, all sections on angels and on how to
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even understand Bible prophecy. We've got a section in there for pastors on helping pastors to
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see the need and the critical link, the connection that Bible prophecy has to discipleship.
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So it's kind of the theme of it is sort of like prophecy airlines.
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And Todd and I are your pilots and we're going to be taking you on this incredible journey over
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the landscape of Bible prophecy. And then David, as you open the book, you see it is just packed with
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these vibrant colors. They just leap off the page. And so with great solid content, it's partnering
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with some pretty compelling images and artwork there that kind of jump off the page to you.
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So it's very engaging. And Todd does such an amazing job with his talent, his gift from God,
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I believe I can't draw stick people, but he does a great, great job with all this.
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So why you guys could have done a book on almost anything related to the rapture and times,
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eschatology, prophecy, why did you decide to go this route for this one?
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Yeah, that's a great question. I think one key factor in some of these things,
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you kind of only know in retrospect, you look back and see the hand of the Lord.
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But I think what we're seeing now is a sleeping giant awake. We're seeing a remnant
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in the body of Christ that are waking up for the very first time to the message that's
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found in Bible prophecy. And they're like, gosh, I want to dive into this stuff.
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I'm not ready for the seminary level yet, but I really want to get an introduction to it to dive
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into some of the key topics and key players involved. So this book really helps to meet that
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need kind of for the Christian masses that are coming alive right now and wanting a little more
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depth in terms of in times, discerning the times, the return of Jesus, the anti-Christ,
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globalism, all these things. And so I think the book really meets that need there in the church today.
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Okay, so last maybe I was going to ask two more questions, but I think we can double up on this one.
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So if you've got six parts to the book and there is a very interesting flight theme in the book,
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I just happened to open up to part six and that's pilot training and then practical tips for leaders.
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Thank you and Todd for putting this in there. But talk to us about the six parts and why,
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that what's the significance of the flight theme? Yeah, so basically we wanted to put it in a sort of
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a user-friendly way that didn't, didn't create a huge threshold to go from a person's life
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into the area of Bible prophecy. We wanted to make it very easy to make that transition. So
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it's kind of like as you get on the plane, the boarding process is very problem free. It's very
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seamless and so we're going to get you set in a comfortable seat, but you're going to be sitting
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by a window so you can look out the window. The pilots are going to be communicating to you all
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the way through this incredible flight. And then also in terms of pilot training and in terms of
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reaching leaders, we do know that there are a lot of pastors out there that are bivocational.
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Maybe they've never been to Bible college or seminary. Maybe they've got a couple of three
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jobs going on. And just simply for time's sake, a lot of pastors don't have the luxury of being
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able to invest a lot of study time into Bible prophecy. So this kind of comes as an intro to them
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as well. And because we believe that pastors are obviously critical players in the body of Christ
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today. And they're the ones that set the temperature. They're the ones that set the tone of what's
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going on. And so if they're going to hear about Bible prophecy, we want it to be from a trusted
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voice and from somewhere that's going to help lead them from a Bible study approach that's going
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to be safe. That's going to be reasonable. That's going to be scriptural. And it's going to lead to a
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conclusion concerning Bible prophecy that will help them communicate that transferably to their
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own congregations. Thank you. You know, I just, I had forgotten about that so important because
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a lot of pastors do not go to seminary. And yet they, I don't know how it all works, but they get
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ordained. They end up leading a church or going into ministry. And they're not equipped
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themselves. So this is amazing. Thank you guys for doing that. That's a very important section.
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Okay. So I do want to ask you one more question because I just happen to be flipping through. And I
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come up to page 44, the peace covenant in Daniel 9. And I'm going, oh, because I just want to get
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your, your take and your thoughts on your perspective, Jeff, because of what's going on in the
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Middle East, what the Trump administration has been trying to do and Israel and peace. And we know
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there's going to be false peace. Just this is important to put in there. What's your take on what's
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going on? What we're seeing now? Yeah, well, I think it's critical that Christians pay attention
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to Israel because Israel is God's hourglass of the end times. There's sort of the, uh, the Rosetta
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Stone to understand what's going on. And in order for the prophecies that we see in Revelation
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in Daniel to take place, there has to be an Israel. Well, guess what? There's an Israel. And yet
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Israel's rebirth. There's been nothing but really pushback opposition, wars, conflicts, battles
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against this tiny nation that's no bigger than the state of New Jersey. You can fit about five
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Israel's inside Lake Michigan. And the whole point is that because there's so much turmoil,
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there is a greater need for peace. And oh, I've had people say to me, well, gosh, I don't want,
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I don't want there to be peace in the Middle East. That means the anti crisis coming. I was like,
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no, the Bible says for us in Psalm 122 to pray for the peace of Jerusalem to pray for the day when
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the Prince of Peace would come back and make that peace when he returns at the second coming.
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However, as we lead up to the time in Daniel 927, when Antichrist will sign that peace covenant
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with Israel, there's going to be attempts at peace. Some of them will be moderately successful,
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temporarily successful, but none of them will have the type of import and staying power that that
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one peace treaty that Antichrist signs with Israel will be. And so I think these are precursors,
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they're foreshadows, they're the sneak previews. And I think they just contribute to the idea that
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there is a critical need for this kind of peace in the Middle East. Antichrist and Satan will
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seize upon that need and they will bring that temporary sense of relief to the nation of Israel.
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Wow, prophetic times, I'd say. You know, I think more people are starting to pay attention, I hope.
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But anyway, a complete survey of the chronology and events of the last days, a visual guide to
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the end times. Thank you, you and Todd, for this amazing book. It really is, friends. And it's,
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it's done so well that even I can understand as I flip through some of the some of the visuals help me.
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I'm a visual person. So which is another benefit to the book. Anyway, you guys are working on something
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very important. We've been seeing, I don't want to say pockets of revival, pockets of revival.
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And a lot of times it's youth driven. I've seen some college campuses, some football teams,
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boldly speaking out for Christ, baptizing kids, students on the college campuses. We're seeing
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church movements, we're seeing worship and Bible sales off the charts, more church increase
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church attendance. And a lot of this is in the last month or six weeks or more as because of
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Charlie Kirk and his assassination and people are thinking, well, maybe I better wake up.
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But what you guys are doing, you're trying to help reach and equip the youth as well. And that's
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why I want to go back to the website futurehope.now. And tell me, Jeff, how long this is brand new, isn't it?
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You've been, have you been working on this for a while? I think you had a conference at the end of
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last year. Tell us about how this came to be. And then we'll talk more about the details.
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Yeah, it's incredibly exciting. And rather than being sort of a knee jerk to what's going on now,
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this is something that God has ceded from way back over a year ago. When we received a
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phone call from Jack Hibbs and he said, look, we want to do a youth prophecy conference. And we
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want the prophecy pros to come in and teach our youth. Wow, I'm working with with Chino Hills and
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the youth pastors were like, how many, how many kids do you expect to come to this thing? I don't
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know, maybe one or two hundred or three hundred, maybe at the most a thousand teenagers showed up.
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Another thousand were watching online. They were dialed in from word one. I mean, you're talking
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16, 15, 14 year olds out there, not looking around, not passing notes, not talking to their friends.
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They are riveted on the truth that we shared about Bible prophecy. They're taking notes. And then
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after we had Q&A sessions and they were lined up 50 deep down every aisle, asking the most
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substantive questions. Now, for me personally, that wasn't the surprising part because I'd been a
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youth pastor for 25 years and had taught my students through Bible prophecy, through revelation,
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Romans and books of the Bible. And I know that teenagers can handle any truth that an adult can,
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but the thing that we don't normally recognize the fact is they actually want the truth.
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They don't want to be entertained or are just brought into a room and fed pizza. They want
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something of substance. And when they look at their world around them, they see that it's coming
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apart. In fact, Todd and I were speaking to a large Christian high school of over 500 even
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gelically trained students. And we asked how many of you have ever been taught Daniel revelation
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the end times, the certainly times anything about the coming of Christ, not a single hand went up.
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And yet we then ask, well, how many of you have thought about the end of the world in the last
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seven days? Every single hand went up. So these are students that are thinking about their world.
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And so over a year ago, based upon this conference we had at Jack's Church, we just felt like God was
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calling us to say, we want to bring this message to every teenager in America. And so we founded
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this 501c3 Future Hope. Now we've hired a national director. And we are now in contact with youth
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pastors about hosting future hope events there. And the bottom line David is more than just
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teaching them content about Bible prophecy. It's to give them the future hope that Christ promises
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in his word. Man, Jeff, you're going to need more help. We're going to need a bigger vote.
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You're right. I think we're going to need a bigger vote.
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So as you were speaking, I was there's so many things that are going through my head. First of all,
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current events bringing a lot of people maybe to their knees, but maybe causing some to look up
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and youth are one because this, it's been a crazy time for them. In the last maybe, I don't know,
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25 years with the whole push for transgenderism, removing God and creation and moral relativism,
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they are hungry for truth. Not all of them, but a lot of young people, they look at the world,
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the culture, they go, that's crazy, but they don't know how to connect the dots or explain it.
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I want to ask you about something because you alluded to it. You mentioned pizza. I love pizza,
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but a lot of times I've heard and I've seen in some youth groups over the past many decades,
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some youth pastors have the faulty idea that their job is to maybe entertain the kids on a Wednesday
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night and not equip them, let alone teach Bible prophecy. So could you speak to that? How do we
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reach more, like you said, you're getting into a lot of churches. This is great because they're
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going to get something that's of value eternally. They're going to get the word of God and not just
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amusement or entertainment. Go ahead, Jeff.
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Yeah, our vision for this is to reach 100,000 teenagers in the next five years and to also train
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a thousand youth pastors on how to teach eschatology to their kids so they're perpetually doing that
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year in, year out. And over time, the multiplication effect comes into play. This is what Paul said to
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Timothy to teach others the things you've heard from me in the presence of many witnesses who then
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will go to teach others also. The mandate for student ministry is the mandate of the church,
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which is to make and mature disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ. And so what we're doing here is
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simply facilitating that by sort of starting a fire and letting them take the fire home with them.
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And our prayer, David, is that it wouldn't just be a ministry, but it would be a movement of God
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among young people today because young people are the best evangelists to reach their friends for
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Christ. They're the best hope givers to share the hope that they have with their generation.
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And these future hope conferences that we're going to be having are going to do just that. They're
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going to have instead of confusion that they've seen in the world. They're going to have clarity.
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Instead of the timidity of not standing up for Christ, they're going to have confidence.
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And instead of the angst and anxiety and the depression that they've had, they're going to have
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hope straight from the work of God and the Lord Jesus Christ in His promise return.
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This is so needed. I mean, you know, I think I may have mentioned this to Todd. I think we
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briefly touched on this, but I said, you know what? There are good ideas and there are God
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ideas. And this is definitely a God idea. So needed, Jeff. So on the website futurehope.now,
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there is a link to you can enter your email address, but you can download a free ebook.
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And is that the one that says eschatology, the key to reaching teenagers with the gospel?
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Yes, yes, I get that free resource that they download now. And if they want to sign up for our
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newsletter, we're going to be contacting people. People are already contacting us. Even this past
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week, we receive dozens and dozens of inquiries and people saying, look, how can I help or
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I'm going to go to my pastor about this or do you have anything you can give me? So we're putting
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together materials, sort of a digital media packet, if you will, so that they can take that and know
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more about what does it look like? What's it going to feel like? You know, frequently asked questions
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about what's it take to put on a conference like this? We're going to answer all those questions
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for folks and make it as easy as possible. But at the same time, we have to reach out to churches
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and bring sort of the unity of the faith in here to get as many churches involved as possible,
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because we will reach a lot of kids. And at the top, I'm just looking at the navigation,
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training and events. There you go. You guys thought of everything. And if you scroll down a little
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bit, there's a bar for a tendon event, then there's host and event get in touch. And so
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how do you get this out the website out to more believers? I know social media is a big thing,
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but you know, some of us, some ministries are shadow band or censored to some degree. So how
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are you using our pastors that are already in your network or how does that work? How do we get this
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out? Yeah, so we're beginning through the prophecy pros. In fact, we've dedicated the next
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season of the prophecy pros podcast to reaching the next generation through Bible prophecy.
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That season, I believe, launches sometime in January, I think. Until then, Todd and I are both
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are using our own networks, our own platforms to tell people about it, coming on programs like yours,
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on Jan Markelle and others that are being scheduled. There's another key way to do it. And then
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bottom line, it comes down to just the foot soldier taking the message, you know, to other people
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out there in the body of Christ. And we believe that that's the way a wildfire starts is that people
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tell people. And so we encourage folks to share the website, share the vision, contact us about
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what can be done. Because look, the idea is this is that if we don't reach this next generation that
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that from a human standpoint, we're just one generation away from extinction as Christianity.
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And so we have to pass that baton of faith. And kids are interested. Kids are involved. They want
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to know what the truth is. And the bottom line is a future hope type event is not only good for
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discipleship and deepening students. It's great for evangelism. I mean, we saw almost 200 students
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give their lives to Christ and it wasn't a scare tactic or anything like that. Just presenting
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the truth, letting God, the Holy Spirit do his thing and God drew those kids to Christ. And so
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we've already got, I think we're up about 800 students so far for this upcoming conference.
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And so it's just going to be lights out. It's going to be incredible time.
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Wow. I'm so excited to hear about this. And maybe some have tried other things, you know,
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in different ministries. But this is so important. And this is something that can really catch.
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And I hope and pray it does because I look at certain surveys and polls of
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worldview issues and what professing believers think or know about the Bible. And as you know, Todd,
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I mean, Jeff, you've probably seen a lot of these reports and just scratch your head and go,
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these are American churches. Who's teaching them? So then the next question would be, well,
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if their pastor's not teaching them a proper biblical worldview and equipping the saints,
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then the people are probably not also doing it on their own. They're not studying.
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Maybe they don't know how to study. So getting the younger generation, man, I think, I don't know,
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I know I'm being being being redundant, but I think that's such a great for lack of a better word
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strategy because young people are going to be the future leaders and pastors and hopefully
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disciple makers. Go ahead and share your thoughts on that. No, absolutely. In fact, several years ago,
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I co-authored a book with Ken Ham called Ready to Return. And the book was all about how do we get
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kids back in the church? And we hired America's research group to do an extensive study on America's
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youth and what we found was is that kids are no longer going off to the old secular university and
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hearing that evolutionary professor kind of destroy his faith and that kind of thing. No, what's
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happening is is that kids are leaving the faith by age 13 and younger. And they're doing it while
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they're still going to church every week. And what we found was is that the pull and the strength
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and the pressure that the world and the world views out there put on kids is too strong compared to
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what they're getting in church and that what what we found was that we were giving them the stories
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of the Bible, giving faithfully telling those stories, but not equipping them on why those stories
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are true, why your faith is unique, why Jesus really rose from the dead. And so by equipping
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students with the Word of God not being afraid to go deeper than just a shallow devotional and then
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have some fun and pizza to really take them deep. Guess what happens? They become mature disciples
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and they start leading Bible studies and they start holding out reaches on their campuses and
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they start inviting their friends. So it is really one of these events and ministries that we
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believe has the potential to change the entire trajectory of youth ministry in America because it's
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going to help these youth pastors and churches and senior pastors understand that you don't
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withhold content from kids. You give the whole council of God to them. Genesis to Revelation.
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That's right. That's right. You know, and I really, you know, I know a lot of people debate about
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shipping the kids out to Sunday school, you know, I think old school, what did they do 200 years
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ago? What did they do a thousand years ago? Parents taught the kids for one thing, but for another,
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the whole family worship together. The whole family sat in church together, heard the same song,
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sang the same songs, listened to the preacher or whatever. But maybe that's for another topic,
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but you said something important that reminded me of, I think you said, how are kids going to get
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when they're being bombarded by the world, basically, I think of hours of influence. And if they're
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just getting an hour on a Sunday morning and or Wednesday night and they've got social media,
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they've got corporations, they've got Hollywood, they've got their friends who are most,
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mostly non-believers. All of this coming against them, their faith, the biblical worldview,
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my goodness. So it's another, there you go. There's another sales pitch for why future hope. Now
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is so important right now. Todd, we, I mean, that's the second time I've called you Todd. Jeff,
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we've got you guys, we've got three minutes left. Whatever you want to share, whatever's on your
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heart, just letter it, brother. Well, I would just say this, this is the most exciting time in all
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of human history to be alive. I mean, really, God must really love us a lot to have us born during
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a time where we're getting to see the world change and we're getting to see the events and the
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ramping up to revelation and we very well could be the rapture generation. So there's so many
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exciting things that God is doing. And with that comes great responsibility and a great challenge
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that we have before us, that we have been tasked to reach our generation with the gospel of Jesus
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Christ and in the church to make and mature disciples. And so what we have to do is continually think
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about God, what is my part in this? I mean, someone may be listening right now, a young mom who's
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got kids at home or someone who's retired, who's listening to this, thinking, well, how do I get
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involved? Well, go to futurehope.now and connect with us and just say, look, all I can do is this,
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I can pray. And if you can pray, then you're immediately a part of seal team seven. You're in
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the inner circle because we need people to pray. There are other people who may want to give or
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sponsor an event or help sponsor an event or go to their pastor, whatever, but we'll give you the
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tools and the resources that you need because I think the time is now. And you know, I think about
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I think about Isaiah when the Lord said, who will go? And he said, here am I, Lord, send me. I think
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one day in eternity, David, we're all going to look back and wish that we had said, Lord,
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here am I, send me. I heard a professor of mine in Dallas, seminary once say this. He said, look, if
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you'll never be a missionary across the ocean unless you're first a missionary across the street,
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across the aisle, across the classroom. And so this is our way of being a missionary where we are
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and every single person can be a part of that. And so however way that God chooses to lead you to
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serve, do it. But this is just one thing that we're doing to help contribute towards the gospel
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and reaching kids. Brother, I love that. A lot of what you shared, but especially that idea of
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you never be a missionary across the ocean until you're a missionary across the street. I know,
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I've been praying for my neighbors and I did door hangers last Christmas with the gospel and
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something about Christmas and whatever else. And we need to be trying to reach out right people
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in our sphere of influence and everyone, you don't need to have a podcast, you don't need to have
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a book. You just need to have a sphere of influence and every one of us does to some degree. So,
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Jeff, thank you for the encouragement again. Thank you for the book. Thank you for a future hope.
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I'm really encouraged that more of these things are happening. And hopefully we, the body of Christ,
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those who are engaged, the remnant like yourselves can reach this younger generation. You guys are,
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it's we're off to a great start. Thanks to people like you and Todd. So thanks for your time today.
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Appreciate your ministry, brother. Thank you, David. It's always a pleasure. God bless.
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All right, friends, family in Christ. Brothers and sisters, God bless you. And as always,
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keep speaking the truth about things that matter.