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Strictly Come Hamster Series A/1/15 (featuring Luke Molloy, Daniel Rawnsley & Michael Mills) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Rocket Johnny because the Goblin King.
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  All the Goblin. King is a good to me.
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  You you great big bang. I Guess the fun day meet my
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  friends. She's
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  broke. Hold on tight.
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  Hello unwelcome to strictly cometh to.
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  We are going to be kicking off with seasoned one or series 40
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  season, 40 or Siri's one of you or the first shooting Gap was
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  series of Doctor Who. Oh yeah that was well what he
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  Absolutely up to the list. Anyway.
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  No need to take off your plants. Scuffed already.
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  Anything. No need to take off your pants
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  and flow of your balls. Sorry Joe as she goes fully
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  dressed here in his first proper routing and seized as the doctor
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  actually, he's using the Tardis wardrobe.
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  More than any other doctor having over 10 cost in these
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  nine varied episodes. Hey at least there's one place.
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  We can see the Disney money on screen.
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  Are you sure? Tell him racism here.
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  A nine very deficits. They are.
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  I hope you're having a fun day because the doctor meets new
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  friends Ruby Sunday and off. They go meeting space, babies
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  and gods, and space babies, and goblins, and racists, and space
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  babies. It's a season Pack full of
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  mysteries. The snow Ruby's mother who were
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  all these mysterious pensioners and most importantly does your
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  city Davis know what an anagram is anyway.
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  So now me and I'll amazing strictly guess we'll take it
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  into. Take a story from the season and
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  decide together. To Champion it or push the
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  button and condemn it, the remaining stories will battle
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  out in round 2 around that. It's probably short of the
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  Millie Gibson season 2 contracts, you bitch.
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  What will win with strictly and season one, there is always a
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  Twist at the end. I'm your high slick, Malloy.
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  And seriously can someone tell me what the hell is going on
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  here? Who is with me tonight?
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  Ready to happen in pale a Goblin King on a church fire and cry
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  about. Well every finale, first of all,
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  say hello to the mall of this Daniel ruins the Right?
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  Hello, couple of things. Where is the Disney money?
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  Rosso today is a sauce, bring back Jodie Whittaker the best
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  doctor. And I'm never watching this
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  again and shooting at work and buckle.
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  So that was for dinner. Oh well, that was just me
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  basically missing that I can't possibly someone any of the
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  anger that I'm sure didn't was gonna bring to this but we miss
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  you Dylan. Given the voice note that we got
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  from him one night when he was very drunk and depressed about
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  how much she wants to murder. Russell T, Davis, Luke probably
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  for the best results, that is not here.
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  Daniel, is happily stood in for Dylan Reese, who was going to
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  bring, probably the angriest amount of energy towards the
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  season of Doctor ever, but he has left us a few comments so we
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  can get to that in a bit. And secondly, we have the
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  brilliant. Michael Mills.
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  Hi Michael. Hello.
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  Look, I'm very well actually, I quite like this series, is that
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  spoiler alert set? This point.
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  I think it's fine. It's all right.
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  Is that I don't feel like you're allowed to have that opinion on
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  this series. Are you really?
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  Why not? I mean, fine, sort of like, it's
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  not great. Is it fine?
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  Sort of quite meet? It's all right.
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  I didn't I didn't mind rewatching any of the episodes.
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  Wow, plus, all right sure. Yeah, it was sometimes, is it
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  it's nearly content. Isn't it?
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  Rather than event TV? Good thing to dreaded word?
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  Yes, I think, yes, I think you've hit on something.
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  There is, it's, it's, it's, it's it's packaged franchise units
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  for the Disney plus generation. Yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, and finally obviously podcast extra Harry or wait,
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  Harbinger for the god of innuendos it must be missed a
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  joke for the ultimate space baby in town.
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  Yes, I'm just doing all the little favor and just read out,
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  Dylan's overview in very early on because I really feel like it
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  needs to be a presence here. It's a day.
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  So sort of something up, all of my Susan twist zombie sutekh
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  anger. Here I go.
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  The worst season of Doctor Who buy some distance written by a
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  writer who is no longer relevant to popular culture or
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  understands the TV landscape thrown throw in two, miscast
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  leads with barely characterized Parts not to mention terrible
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  production values, should he direction if the effects and a
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  general lack of ambition and scale?
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  This was the show's Charles to make it big to secure its future
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  in the world of streaming for years to come and it fails on
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  every level. Never has to show seemed more
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  irrelevant and tired. I will never watch this steam in
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  turd again. So he's controversial.
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  You could say that. Yes, I think not just with
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  Dylan's comment, I think cease of what brought controversy, not
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  just because it was contemporary doctor.
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  I think it is actually people do like people do hate it.
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  And find opinion is very mixed on it.
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  I mean I think it's fun expectation was high with
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  Disney, The Return of RTD the rising star power if she got
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  were there was a lot riding on it and I think Dylan actually
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  make some good points. I'm sure we'll come to over the
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  course of the next couple of hours and hopefully so make some
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  shocking points in there as well.
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  Which hold no water whatsoever. Yeah.
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  So you know you got start basic, really.
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  I'll start with Michael. What did you think of it
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  overall? Like and has it changed and we
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  watching it for this podcast. Oh, I enjoyed it overall, I
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  think. Oh, surprise, going back.
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  Some of the episodes. I thought I was expecting to
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  like and actually I sort of didn't enjoy as much this time
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  and we'll get onto why a lot of them.
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  I really enjoyed, I think lost them a classic.
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  I think in some ways it's A lot of people have said, you talked
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  about the Anthology nature of it, that you can dip in and
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  watch different episodes. And it's very different week to
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  week, and I think that's good. I think Doctor Who should be
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  different. It's a format.
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  It's built on different. When, but what that also means
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  is that it's very inconsistent across the series.
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  And interestingly, the episodes that I didn't like, with one
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  exception, the reason I didn't like the Whisk because they felt
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  quite thin. And I think I think you said it
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  referring to content and there's a few moments a few stories here
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  where it does just feel like we're getting content, and
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  there's no reward, there's no reward for watching them.
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  There's nothing more to get that you didn't get on the first
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  time. Russell T Davis writes quickly,
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  you watch it quickly and then you move on to the next thing
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  because and doors coming up next week and you need to binge your
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  lap as well instead. But overall overall good, I
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  think seeing it in the light of season 2 so I'm going to call it
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  series 2. Let's go going out now.
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  It's not as strong, but I can see how they're building up
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  momentum, to what I currently feel at the time of recording is
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  a stronger series. Would you say it?
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  Feels like content? Do you mean, like, you know, you
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  could give it a run word title like oh, it's the one that's a
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  bit like Bridgeton. Is that what you mean?
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  Thing yeah, yeah, I mean without spoilers which episodes I'm
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  talking about, it does feel that thing of, there's eight, there's
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  a concept. And this, you know, this idea of
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  something being high concept where you can describe it in a
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  single line Twins. Danny DeVito and all the
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  Schwarzenegger a twin brothers but sometimes their episodes
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  here, which don't go beyond that or sometimes don't even
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  actually, if I'm being honest really even particularly
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  articulate their concept. Particularly well, you love
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  somebody else. What are you talking about?
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  We all know I'm not talking about, 70k articulate a concert
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  particularly I think content for me in this case is it just
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  washes over here? And there's no reason to invest
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  in it because it doesn't feel like they've invested in it more
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  than a superficial front. And I think like it's weird this
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  season. It has a mix of moments that are
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  really stronger glimmers of things that really strong but
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  that it's worse. It feels like it's been made for
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  tiktok. 100% 100%. I mean I don't I've had to go at
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  Christian in the past for failing to produce Doctor Who to
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  a standard that I would appreciate.
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  But I will say for him that he never, he never was short of
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  ideas. If you look something like
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  flocks, even if I personally before, What I Hear to really
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  Escape flocks, I believe you may have decided that that one story
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  was the greatest story of that one Story season.
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  Think with way what? There's too much going in a
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  prick, ignore him generally. If you calling someone, I'm
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  saying I'm being rude. Joe.
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  I will articulate. Yeah, that is exactly every time
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  you don't understand what he's saying, he's being rude to me.
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  That's what is. But chip know often her too many
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  ideas and he didn't really bring them together in a sort of here.
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  And where the end I think there were points here, we're just
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  there's just not enough there. There's not enough to happen.
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  I think it was being written to be got out and people would
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  watch it and they were hoping that something would carry them
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  through. And I think you can tell with
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  some episodes when rtd's heart is in it, when he's got an idea
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  that he cares about when sat at that keyboard at two o'clock in
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  the morning on coffee. I presume he's giving up smoking
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  by this point. I don't know.
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  I'm working with 20 year old cliches.
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  What he's going? Oh yeah, this is brilliant.
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  Well done. Well done, RTD, this is what you
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  get rusty for and all of that and there's other parts where he
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  marvelous, oh, he's chuckling away.
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  He's chuckling away he's beaming at the There's other times where
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  he's going oh he's he's switching tabs between the
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  between the final draft document and the emails to morph it
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  going. Please Stephen please I can't do
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  it. Another one of these please he
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  picks his nose at one point at 2:00 and guys oh my God.
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  Yes. I came on.
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  Gee think it's strange that he came back then.
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  No, not at all. Not at all.
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  I mean, what you do when a beloved and long-running
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  franchise is at death's door, you bring in the people who made
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  it good to to try and save it, right?
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  That's what happened, rightly, or wrongly.
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  It's not always successful, but it happens with soaps all the
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  Ruddy time, right? It's happened with plenty of
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  shows in the past. I don't think it's, I think it's
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  the most explicable thing about what happened is that Russell, T
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  Davis did it. That's not a problem at all.
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  There are other problems. I mean, let's be honest.
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  David Turner will be back at some point.
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  Okay. So yeah.
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  They literally Park in a lovely Country House.
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  Just say you just rest there David and wait, wait for the
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  viewing figures to fall. The trouble is I didn't realize
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  it was gonna happen immediately. Daniel, what do you think of
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  this season? It has it changed in the year
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  since when. Oh yeah it's a pretty good year.
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  I don't think it's a great year as someone who grew up with the
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  first Russell TVs, era of Doctor Who those first four years of
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  modern who this are so sort of foundational to me that it's
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  very strange seeing it back. All these years later in the
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  same hands when the TV landscape and the streaming landscape now
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  has changed so much and I think we don't we still don't have
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  enough distance from it yet but I believe when the the dust is
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  settled in suitcase picture, okay?
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  One of the Defining things about Russell.
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  T, Davies, Mark 2 will be that that ongoing tension of pushing
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  Doctor, Who forwards, while also looking back on Doctor, Who, and
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  that constant Push Pull of it. So sometimes it can feel fresh
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  and exciting and experimental. And other times it can feel a
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  bit regressive and over familiar and just a little bit tired.
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  Like, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I remember that.
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  Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, sure you're not talking
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  about this season, Daniel. Well yes, well this is what I'm
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  sort of saying is I think there's something that's maybe
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  been lost in the intervening years between the first Russell,
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  T Davies era and the second. So maybe a bit of a spark or
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  sense of subtext or character sometimes even basic
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  storytelling that so defined I think Russell T Davies first
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  era. I think he's also still got a
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  lot in the tank and that Doctor Who fans as we often do.
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  We're being a bit gloom and doom and overly dramatic.
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  When it comes to the state of Doctor Who, as we like to in
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  tone in grave tones. Even for the stuff that doesn't
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  work here and there is stuff that doesn't work here.
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  So, yeah, it's a bit. Um, it's a bit of sort of a
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  strange holding pattern. I feel that we're in at the
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  moment. So it's a bit Sugar Rush,
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  Doctor, Who, But after all that, I think I'll say that that
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  shooties very delightfully, watchable as the doctor.
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  And one of the first things I remember thinking when he was
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  first cast is, I hope I get to hear the doctor laugh a lot and,
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  and he does, and so that's something I look forward to in
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  every episode. I'm like, oh, is she gonna laugh
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  in this one? Oh, please.
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  I hope he does and just write down your.
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  I hope that he cries a lot as well.
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  Well, I'll get on to that in a bit, but maybe we'll wait till
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  we get into one of the episodes for that.
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  And just one more one. More thing is, I've for my
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  rewards, I swapped a couple of episodes round, so I swap around
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  Rogue and the devil's chord. And watching it with that order.
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  It's a lot more fun. It's a lot more exciting and it
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  makes a bit more sense. So um, we'll get into that as
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  well. But I'm actually really build in
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  it. Does that I think it was.
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  Yeah, yeah. Was because there's a continuity
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  error between the devil's called and boom that disappears.
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  If you imagine the devil's chord was written to be later in the
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  season. Yeah.
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  The six month thing. Yeah.
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  Which I think was a bit over inflated online but yes, the six
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  month thing is what they pulled it for.
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  So they had the Beatles on the opening night.
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  Yeah. And I think in a sense that will
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  also quite successful because of the two episodes that went out
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  on the opening night, that one was the more popular ones.
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  So getting into always mad people.
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  Yeah. Alright Joey I mean I will
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  actually now but it's funny this because we we were like live
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  like this. Oh, Before space babies dropped,
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  right? And we were so excited.
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  Yeah, well, no. And we were still excited after
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  those two episodes dropped. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I remember thinking that, I
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  those two job, but if the job the whole series, I'd have just
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  watched it all that night. I was so excited look and they
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  was dancing across that piano towards the hardest.
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  I was like, oh, we're back baby? Yeah, most of Shame, you know,
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  that we're doing this before, the end of season two has aired
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  because I've Got a Feeling there's an awful lot in this
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  first series that's about to be paid off at the end of the
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  second series. So we're not actually seeing the
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  whole picture, but obviously, we're taking these episodes in
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  their own, right? So I know that should but that
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  should enhance the episodes. It shouldn't make them good, you
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  know? I mean there will be a Twist at
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  the end. But I've got to say go in back
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  because my lingering impression of this season, was one of
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  abject disappointment because I went to see Empire of death at
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  the cinema and you could have heard a fucking pin drop in that
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  Cinema know. I hear at the end of that, a
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  doctor, people were cheering, you know, getting married and
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  proposing to each other, in the cinema and life is amazing.
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  Doctor. Who's the best thing ever seem
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  to cast know, you couldn't hear a word.
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  It was hushed. Whispers all the way out at 3:00
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  in the morning or whatever. Ridiculous time, we went home,
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  going to see dogs to hear this Cinema Plus, I mean, I imagine
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  those BFI ones are really exciting, what I will, you know
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  what, though? Like, I thought the generally
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  fans of people had some reasonable Goodwill as the
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  season was going on. Even if it were, even if they
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  were particularly enjoying episodes and then Empire deaf
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  went out and it just sucked the life of everyone thought.
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  Why? If we bought it with that which
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  I thought the same way but interestingly going back and
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  revisiting the season this week, I really like this season and I
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  think certainly the the heart of the season.
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  So the Middle episode, it's almost an unbroken run of
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  absolute bangers. And I've been a little bit
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  disappointed with serious, too. I think you can see more money
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  on the screen serious, too. I think you can see a confidence
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  in the production. Fuck me.
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  A lot of those stories are just borrowed ideas.
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  I'm just like, yeah, tick. Impossible Planet.
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  Yeah, tick the devil's chord. Yep.
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  Tick Sarah, Jane Smith. That Bloody robot story.
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  Like it's just allowed a recycled ideas with a lot of
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  money for them whereas I think there's a lot of originality in
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  this first season like get there.
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  Point of order. Um, Sarah That Sarah Jane Smith,
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  that's got to the robots in it. We know Banning robots from all
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  the empty. So no, you know what was so bad
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  about that was the Sarah, Jane robot look, better than I was
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  shity robots in the robot Revolution was terrible but I as
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  well, I think Belinda Chandra is so boring.
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  I just can't see any any anything engaging about that
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  Bloody woman at all? She does is go get me home, get
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  me this, the new tea, good. Whereas when Ruby came back in
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  lucky day, I was like, oh we're back baby.
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  Someone who actually wants to be there.
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  Someone who's having fun, show? Bring Back Ruby.
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  Joe, we may have reached the point as regular listeners.
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  The book club, they appreciate where I am straight enough for
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  Doctor Who right now, because straightest man in fandom, she's
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  very pretty, I will admit that but she she feels like a filler
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  companion, you know. She feels like the Terence
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  Stitch every since you can write for Doctor Who Belinda Chandra,
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  feels to me like you can write for any companion.
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  Give any companion those words and their work, okay?
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  But this is season one. Oh yes, sorry.
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  Well I said, I'll finish that off by saying, I think Millie
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  Gibson is fabulous. I know what Dylan Reese is
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  talking about, he thinks she is a shocking actress and has no
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  presence whatsoever. But the episode they give her to
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  literally, they give her just to run her sale.
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  She is amazingly good in. So I don't know what he's
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  talking about. She's great, if I love the year,
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  it's odd because I, I think season two is like, oh, I don't
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  even really do, the objective subjective thing, but it feels
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  objectively better. But I just it's just not going
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  in. It's not even getting past
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  Theory and enjoyment really. Was I loved this going out on a
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  rewatch. She has gone down a bit for me.
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  Didn't enjoy some episodes as much as I remembered but there
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  are some good ones in here. I mean what I remember just love
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  him was the excitement of the midnight releases.
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  Everyone was overjoyed when they took midnight.
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  Release is away. I was gutted because now I
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  watched them in the And coffee that a bit tired.
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  I'm obviously gonna be a bit groggy.
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  It's 12:00 on a Friday. That's some beers.
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  I was ready. I was excited.
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  It was. Oh, there was such good tires.
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  The ark as much as it sort of ruined in Empire of death of,
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  really, identity in the snow and just being fascinated at the
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  time. I thought she was great and
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  fresh and you, Do think it's suffers from not having any
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  memorable monsters. Really, especially when you
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  don't have any of the big hitters don't say the burger and
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  it's a complete monster. What does I mean?
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  She's the best one and Russia act really as well.
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  He's pretty monstrous, you know I mean like you want it's Doctor
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  Who you want some. Big new monsters, if you're not
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  gonna have big hitters. Yeah.
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  Do you feel like this the season and it's carried on to season
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  two? It's like trying to have 10
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  cakes and hated, you know, it's it's brand new and it's this and
• 22:19
  it's that and we'll look at the past and we're doing this and it
• 22:25
  just wish it to choose a lane, you know, like Russell's initial
• 22:28
  seasons, one to four very much ignored like all the soy stuff
• 22:34
  and start to see it back in and you exactly what it was and what
• 22:37
  it was doing. Every time they mention the past
• 22:39
  in this, I get annoyed. I like it.
• 22:41
  When it's new in 73, yds is probably the freshest.
• 22:44
  The year feels really once were sat around watching pyramids and
• 22:49
  Mars in front of a dog. It has lost.
• 22:53
  Dr. Who has lost its job a little bit there, you know.
• 22:57
  Although I will say, I mean since he's come back I kind of
• 23:00
  think, maybe he's been at his most assured in those three,
• 23:04
  tenants specials, that's where he was comfortable.
• 23:07
  It's his actor is his doctor Donna was there and I don't
• 23:12
  know, I just think they were like gangbusters and the
• 23:14
  receptions was amazing as well. It's sort of went downhill after
• 23:17
  that, didn't it. But they did.
• 23:18
  They had something to do, you know, like saved on his memory
• 23:21
  is? Why was the doctor got the face
• 23:23
  and retired? The doctor they've all got stuff
• 23:26
  to do with. Like, I don't really know what
• 23:28
  the doctors purposes anymore. I know he didn't really need
• 23:31
  what? But well, that's a nice.
• 23:34
  I feel like you do need what in in this Covenant, really?
• 23:37
  But what you saying about structure my call?
• 23:42
  Like I do sort of wish it was just six separate episodes and
• 23:46
  there was no Arc like so that you could just, you know, it is
• 23:50
  each episode seems directly aimed at different people and
• 23:55
  Life. That was just the on opening day
• 23:57
  and you just pick the ones that say a fancy a bit, like the New
• 23:59
  Black Mirror that's just dropped, and you didn't need to
• 24:02
  know which one came before, which one, it was just just,
• 24:05
  like, six, doctors who films dropping in a day, that would be
• 24:08
  new and fresh. It would probably remove most of
• 24:11
  my problems with this season. And it might have attracted more
• 24:15
  people because they were just ignored space baby from the off.
• 24:20
  That's there for an episode gone down, like a cup of cold, sick,
• 24:25
  like space babies, we'll get there, we will get, we will get
• 24:28
  that. Does anyone else have anything
• 24:30
  sale, midnight releases the Disney or shooting or I was
• 24:34
  first? Oh no, no.
• 24:37
  I mean, I I completely agree about the the arcs.
• 24:40
  I mean, it did. I mean I do credit Russell TVs
• 24:43
  with this time around for kind of making me realize I don't
• 24:46
  really give a shit about arcs anymore.
• 24:48
  I mean, diffusion just put the individual stories are much more
• 24:51
  interested in those. So I kind of all I remember on
• 24:54
  my first watch, I kind of knew the Empire of death was gonna be
• 24:58
  a let down just because I mean they had set up an arc but I
• 25:01
  knew just was not there was not enough of it there to be paid
• 25:04
  off satisfactory. So while everyone was sort of
• 25:07
  hitting the roof about how disappointed they were I was
• 25:09
  like yeah well you know I mean I kind of saw it coming but yeah
• 25:13
  but How you might have braced yourself a disappointed but how
• 25:17
  did what did it still get in? Because I a woman pointing at a
• 25:22
  roadside today. Surely surely, even you dropped
• 25:26
  out a little bit. It did it.
• 25:28
  I mean, he let all those delightful memes which I'm sure
• 25:30
  we'll discuss later. But even I was questioning where
• 25:33
  that, all that money when they were in the smallest.
• 25:35
  Hardest console room of all time for about half an hour at the
• 25:39
  middle of the head. So I'm like, oh Okay, I think
• 25:45
  I'll drop it now. Regarding shooties crying.
• 25:47
  So again, this is another thing, I'm not too fussed about to be
• 25:51
  on this because I mean, it's an actor's choice.
• 25:54
  So, obviously, that's subjective.
• 25:55
  So you like it, you don't like it.
• 25:57
  It reminds me a bit of troughton in, just in the sense that he,
• 26:02
  he's the kind of Doctor Who Would often panic and be
• 26:04
  frightened and go, oh no, Jamie in, in many, a story.
• 26:08
  And also on a personal note, I mean, at a time right now where
• 26:14
  we hear a lot about, You know toxic masculinity and the
• 26:19
  manosphere online and bottling up your feelings.
• 26:21
  I've noticed as I grow older that I'm I'm not one of those
• 26:26
  kind of I don't know what you call them.
• 26:28
  The ugly criers when I'm upset, I tends to be the the Cinematic
• 26:32
  single tear which you see in so many Hollywood movies these
• 26:35
  days, which I don't know what that says about me and my my
• 26:38
  emotions. So, you know, maybe I should
• 26:40
  look into therapy or something, but when shooting the doctor or
• 26:45
  the doctor cries on screen, it reminds, it reminds me a little
• 26:47
  bit of me. So I'm seeing a little bit of me
• 26:50
  on there on skin, but do you cry as much as him?
• 26:52
  Because I think like that's fine.
• 26:54
  Thank you. But when you cry in every
• 26:59
  episode, is like okay, I'm diminishing returns.
• 27:02
  Every time you cry. I'm caring less and less that
• 27:04
  you're offset. My problem is it reminds me that
• 27:07
  he's acting it's nothing even to do at the crying and I'm just it
• 27:10
  reminds me that it's an active data performance and not So
• 27:14
  takes me out. Talk about shooting very
• 27:16
  quickly, so we must go into the episode.
• 27:18
  So we've got tonight. But I I'm weird I got me with
• 27:24
  shooting because I on the one hand I think he's a great actor
• 27:26
  and he delivers wonderful moments this year.
• 27:29
  Some of the end of bubble, it's extraordinary moments.
• 27:35
  Added on the other hand. I do just see him half the time
• 27:38
  as like a regular bloke. Yeah, not the doctor.
• 27:41
  Just a regular bloke, in regular clothes in the Tardis having
• 27:45
  locks and that's a problem and I'm like but it's the problem me
• 27:49
  do I need the doctor to wear eccentric, Patchwork color, and
• 27:53
  question marks on his collar and celery and behave in an absurdly
• 27:57
  eccentric way, all of the time because she's sort of push, it's
• 28:01
  good that they're pushing all that away and try in this.
• 28:03
  But for me then half the time I'm like I just don't feel like
• 28:07
  the doctor and that's a bit of an issue.
• 28:10
  I have that. I mean Colin Blake.
• 28:11
  Fake is just a bloke in the way costume.
• 28:16
  Yeah, I know that you created the man who wrote for bugs and
• 28:23
  escape, velocity for the 8th, doctor Adventure age.
• 28:26
  It's just a bloke. He's had a point to my dog.
• 28:31
  Yeah, Michael please, oh, go back to the arc thing, I think
• 28:37
  Russell T Davis, the arcs he writes are emotional locks, you
• 28:40
  know, the best ever Ark payoff in Russell today.
• 28:43
  Davis script is Donna Noble having to go back to who she was
• 28:46
  at the start of the season and it being terrible, and you don't
• 28:50
  get that. If you can't take a character
• 28:52
  and the audience through something with them, but he
• 28:56
  doesn't do, he doesn't do plot. And I don't really know what
• 28:59
  people were expecting with this season that the pet that the
• 29:02
  payoff would be anything other than disappointing.
• 29:04
  Because Brazil, you've watched Doctor Who, right?
• 29:07
  But we will get there and no finale is Michael not of these
• 29:13
  show Runners can do for not Moffat.
• 29:14
  Did it once I think Russell, Did it once?
• 29:16
  I don't think she'd probably ever did it.
• 29:18
  None of them can do these finales.
• 29:20
  The only thing was gonna say was when we did season 5 on Strictly
• 29:25
  anytime someone said based on The Siege we all had to do an
• 29:28
  honest Warrior. Here's my daughter.
• 29:29
  Suggest you do the same. Anytime someone does the twist
• 29:32
  at the end joke because I'm already dreading here in her
• 29:35
  being used to conventions in 20 years time.
• 29:37
  What the sound effect ice Warrior here again.
• 29:42
  One? Old Disney money?
• 29:44
  That's good. Alright, I'll wait.
• 29:50
  Final question. Do we all like the links?
• 29:53
  It's the one when I was at the cinema, the one time, anyone
• 30:00
  cheered was where the big stop blue.
• 30:02
  It is the first part that episode.
• 30:05
  Let's don't know why it's into the ground and lucky day I lost
• 30:15
  everybody. Right.
• 30:21
  Office of flakes. But I fear she may be a fan club
• 30:30
  of one. I think I love the links, but I
• 30:32
  think I'm just, I just wanted to say thank you.
• 30:33
  Nicholas Brooks is still game work, right?
• 30:38
  So should we see what the listeners think of this?
• 30:42
  He's not Before jumping into the stories.
• 30:47
  He wants to start. Should we go Daniel?
• 30:51
  All right, someone called side Hearts.
• 30:54
  Oh yeah, rings a bell, but maybe he'll be.
• 30:58
  Maybe he'll be famous one day. Still can't quite work out.
• 31:01
  Why this feels simultaneously fresh and tired.
• 31:04
  Some interesting stories stylishly filmed in places, but
• 31:08
  somehow, the whole thing feels less than the sum of its parts
• 31:10
  bringing back suitcase, was a huge misstep.
• 31:13
  After a season of fresh stories, what a strange decision?
• 31:17
  That's a good point. That's a good point.
• 31:19
  Yeah. Paul cresa says, I was so hyped
• 31:23
  for this after the specials and to core, that's the ice Lord to
• 31:27
  call. But my god, did it disappoints?
• 31:29
  It just all felt. So, empty shooting was great,
• 31:31
  but having two doctors light episodes.
• 31:34
  And one way, he couldn move didn't help.
• 31:36
  And there are two things. I don't want the doctor to be
• 31:38
  sexual or a cry baby enough said isn't trouble dead.
• 31:46
  Glenn Fitzgerald. It is it's always with much
• 31:49
  trepidation. That I welcome.
• 31:50
  A new doctor, I had never seen shooting in anything else but
• 31:53
  despite space babies being my least favorite of the series
• 31:56
  straight away. Apart from said, space Babies
• 32:00
  episode. I enjoyed, there is a lot
• 32:02
  controversial, even the finale. I'm gonna pair everyone that's
• 32:07
  mean about space baby. Professor Stephen hawkwind.
• 32:11
  It's simultaneously feels like RTD has been allowed to take his
• 32:15
  gloves off in being an overtly political as he wants.
• 32:18
  But at the same time some of the stories feel like they're
• 32:21
  reheated. Leftovers from 2006.
• 32:23
  It's his first known professor. Yeah.
• 32:28
  It's titled. Yeah.
• 32:30
  In something not. So maybe right in.
• 32:34
  Tell us Professor hawkwind. Oh, look, he's next.
• 32:37
  Daniel the brilliant and correct.
• 32:39
  Nathan bottomley says, this season is so fresh and Brilliant
• 32:43
  that I need to weigh in to counteract.
• 32:44
  All the dull, people who want to watch a new version of planning
• 32:48
  of evil every week, Doctor Who is back.
• 32:51
  That's what season 2 is though, right?
• 32:54
  Yeah. No, he's loved it now as well.
• 33:00
  Dale Smith Dale Smith who wrote Heritage BBC Doctrine?
• 33:04
  Oh NSA as well. The many hands.
• 33:10
  He did, that's fantastic. Oh, I bet there's something
• 33:12
  clever. Dale Smith says, such a
• 33:15
  fantastic series, showing an RTD who refuses to rest on his
• 33:19
  Laurels and bursting with things to say to resist the way the
• 33:21
  world is turning, okay? Ruby's mum was a misstep.
• 33:24
  We'll get there. But 73 yards is a strong content
• 33:27
  for best and cleverest, whose story ever?
• 33:29
  I told you to be clever. I told you would say, right
• 33:31
  things? Yeah, Karen Evans one.
• 33:35
  It has some episodes. I like, I just find myself
• 33:38
  struggling with the series slash season as a whole more.
• 33:41
  So than any of children knows one, we had to get shivner in
• 33:44
  there somewhere drive by chip. I will say, for whatever I
• 33:52
  bought this. I'm much prefer this to any of
• 33:55
  the original Seasons. This made this made me love,
• 33:58
  just let him write his book and get along with live.
• 34:01
  He's leaving you alone, Jason Thompson's, says fun humor
• 34:07
  spectacle, some real emotional beats and generally a very well
• 34:11
  produced series but all a bit too Bleak and what a mess it was
• 34:15
  at the end. It's always this.
• 34:18
  We're in trouble here. Come on this season, the season
• 34:25
  in need of a script editor, shooty gives his heart and soul
• 34:28
  in scripts that didn't remotely do him.
• 34:29
  Justice Ruby was Rose from temu a very unfair on Rose and on
• 34:34
  TAMU I think and on Ruby and the control room still felt
• 34:38
  needlessly large and empty even how long it took to get to the
• 34:42
  screens. It felt depressingly, rushed
• 34:45
  Rose from tv basketball, Quinn. Weirdly on watchable for long
• 34:54
  stretches of the season. The obvious high points 73
• 34:57
  yards, is in danger of being buried beneath the mountain of
• 35:00
  dogshit. Shout Out by Snoop.
• 35:03
  Doggy suitcase, actually. Dave Rennie.
• 35:11
  I thought it was the best series in a while on transmission, but
• 35:14
  on rewatch, it's not as good as I thought, but still decent the
• 35:18
  doctor needs more screen time and the mother storyline was
• 35:20
  concluded. Chablis Luke Sims Jenkins series
• 35:26
  14. Well, that's that's bait is a
• 35:29
  huge step down from the previous era.
• 35:31
  It doesn't really look forwards, and feels like Doctor Who from
• 35:35
  20 years ago. I also don't like Ruby generic
• 35:38
  Sunday. It doesn't look as good as the
• 35:40
  chibnall era either. Oh, the most important man in
• 35:44
  the whole of creation. Yeah, Mark was frustrating that
• 35:48
  the hints of the characters knowing they were being watched
• 35:51
  or filmed Mrs. Flood addressing the camera.
• 35:54
  I thought that was non diegetic and Company went nowhere.
• 35:58
  And we had the suitcase Malarkey instead, but 73 yards, Dodd and
• 36:02
  bubble and Road were very good episodes.
• 36:04
  Can I just pour out of that is not my Mark or even never say
• 36:07
  anything that please continue. Steph destroyer of worlds to us
• 36:15
  to say messy and stupid. But when did we let that get in
• 36:20
  the way of a good time, RTD still can't do ending's and
• 36:23
  chunks of the series seem like an act of self-sabotage, but a
• 36:26
  whole Arc predicated on the existence of an actress called.
• 36:29
  Susan twist is batshit to the points of indeed point of view.
• 36:35
  It feels like so sabotage. Yes, of course, he's kind of
• 36:38
  sabotage his own career, and Doctor Who stars with Disney.
• 36:42
  He just, you didn't like that was all I did Disney, you have
• 36:47
  been naive. This is interesting is but shit,
• 36:51
  right? To hire an actress called Susan
• 36:54
  twist, and the potentially sees it as a twist He's not.
• 37:02
  Oh, they can't have half of that way.
• 37:05
  Surely he met her? I went.
• 37:07
  Oh my God. It's the bogey all over again.
• 37:13
  John Arnold rightly or wrongly. It's looking to infuse the show
• 37:16
  with energy and vitality to sell to a young girl audience.
• 37:19
  Maybe it's even looking to make the Ros generation, feel old,
• 37:22
  right? John mission accomplished on
• 37:25
  that score. Yeah.
• 37:26
  But perhaps due to the brevity of the Season, it doesn't quite
• 37:29
  add up to the sum of its parts. Daniel Knight with all the much
• 37:35
  born to Disney money. This feels disappointingly,
• 37:38
  low-key and small scale in comparison to flux.
• 37:41
  Oh dramatic, pools audience considered shooting Millie have
• 37:47
  good chemistry together. But I'm not a fan of the crying,
• 37:49
  some great Concepts in certain stories, but overall it feels a
• 37:53
  bit uneven. She we end with this next one.
• 37:58
  All right, let's end with this one.
• 37:59
  Andy Parkinson, overall, I really enjoyed series 1 season 1
• 38:04
  series 14 Etc. It wasn't a great start with a
• 38:07
  very average space babies, but from there on there's some great
• 38:13
  stories I'm aware. I'm aware, I'm in the minority,
• 38:16
  is he? And just like Billie Piper in
• 38:19
  series one Millie gets in his? Absolutely amazing.
• 38:22
  She is the best thing of the season.
• 38:24
  I hope she returns. She did.
• 38:28
  It was all lucky day. She went on a terrible night and
• 38:31
  she goes on a few in this season.
• 38:35
  Well, right. So let's get into it.
• 38:39
  Mike. All you got the choice of the
• 38:42
  whole series on Church of Ruby Road.
• 38:45
  What are you going to Champion or condemn?
• 38:49
  I am going to open the bidding with 73.
• 38:55
  Oh, it's all downhill. That's the name.
• 39:01
  I've got a minute commentary on that one with you on it.
• 39:05
  I'm still got more to say Joseph, um, 73 yards, I mean,
• 39:10
  come on. What is there to be said?
• 39:12
  That hasn't always been said, plenty, all like these are like
• 39:15
  to think. So, Doctor Who stops mediating
• 39:18
  genre the whole time. Okay, here's a thing.
• 39:21
  I hate about Doctor Who write when Doctor, Who says, oh
• 39:25
  Doctor, Who fans love to say, it can be anything, it can be any
• 39:28
  story, it can be any genre. I have a few that doctor who
• 39:31
  actually just steps between modes storytelling each week.
• 39:34
  No, it doesn't know. It doesn't doctor who dresses up
• 39:37
  as other stories and they go. We're going to two of them,
• 39:39
  vampire story this time. I think we can do it.
• 39:42
  I wish you'd stop using that voice.
• 39:44
  You know, when you're talking about the ham fam, okay?
• 39:47
  I didn't name other lesser people.
• 39:55
  And they say things like the, okay, Doctor Who's going to do a
• 39:58
  ghost story or Doctor Who's going to do or the Loch, Ness
• 40:02
  monster every time. Every time, it's never actually
• 40:05
  doing those stories because it always turns out it was the
• 40:08
  Ruddy turds or something like that.
• 40:10
  And we have all of the exam think of hide, think of hide in
• 40:14
  the Matt Smith era rights to be quite a mass.
• 40:18
  It wants to be the stone tape. It wants to be all the other
• 40:20
  things, but then it has to go. Oh no, it's a time traveler from
• 40:24
  the something Century. It's a little story.
• 40:26
  It's a love story. Know, you were doing a ghost
• 40:29
  story and I really wanted to watch a ghost story.
• 40:30
  Literally, I love story between two thirds, but we're not
• 40:34
  allowed to have nice things in Doctor Who fandom, because we
• 40:37
  always feel have to feel shame. And to explain that, it's really
• 40:40
  the aliens, the whole time and then it stops being those
• 40:43
  things. So, Doctor Who never actually
• 40:45
  does other genres actually doctor who dresses up in the
• 40:48
  costumes of other genres and tells another Doctor Who story.
• 40:51
  Now, I love a lot of those stories.
• 40:52
  I love horror. and presumably the other ones as well, but In
• 40:58
  73 years it's like Russell T Davis has gone.
• 41:02
  It's not like he has just gone, we don't need to do that.
• 41:05
  Actually Doctor, Who can be the whole of time and space Dr. Who
• 41:08
  can tell a million different types of stories and we don't
• 41:12
  have to worry, leave it to the fans on the wiki or writing
• 41:16
  books in the 90s to worry about how the cosmology all up, that
• 41:19
  doesn't matter. And the fun is working out.
• 41:21
  Maybe that's something he's taken from you that he's looked
• 41:24
  at other big franchises and how the doctor who can emulate them.
• 41:27
  Maybe that's something he's taken from the MCU.
• 41:29
  Maybe that's something he's taken from Star Trek of where
• 41:32
  you can have very different genres and types of stories, all
• 41:36
  happily coexisting. And you don't have to explain
• 41:38
  why we have God's but also alien you can have wizards and Aliens.
• 41:43
  That's the wonderful thing about Doctor Who, right?
• 41:45
  And so here we get an actual ghost story.
• 41:47
  A story that works in the form of a ghost story.
• 41:50
  There's no explanation, we get hints of explanation.
• 41:54
  We get enough to Intrigue us into almost look like we can
• 41:56
  look a little bit around the corner.
• 41:58
  Mr. James has been mentioned a lot of Macon and Blackwood.
• 42:02
  All of the scariest stories, those little glimpses of another
• 42:05
  world, parallel to our own where it almost, but doesn't quite
• 42:08
  make sense. That feeling of The Uncanny of
• 42:11
  the familiar made unfamiliar and it is really unsettling.
• 42:14
  And we'll talk about this with other episodes.
• 42:16
  I'm sure of Russell T, Davis not explaining himself or not
• 42:19
  working out his logic terribly well.
• 42:21
  But here, the lack of explanation is deliberate and it
• 42:23
  is evocative and there's an important distinction to be
• 42:26
  drawn that between the two things.
• 42:28
  But it's also constantly wrong for putting it, right?
• 42:30
  All the way through. You there's the time jumps were
• 42:35
  suddenly, you think, oh at the end?
• 42:36
  You think it's resolved. Forces.
• 42:39
  Later have a long is, oh, no, what or you think it's all gonna
• 42:42
  be setting that time, little Welsh village, and we keep
• 42:44
  moving away from it. The story keeps getting bigger,
• 42:46
  keeps getting bigger, keeps getting bigger, it starts off,
• 42:48
  and you think it's gonna be a whistle and I'll come to you my
• 42:51
  lad by our James, right? And by the end, it's for
• 42:54
  Vendetta and yet we move with them all the way through the
• 42:57
  scale of this thing growing and it's fantastic.
• 43:00
  And also, I just like to say Little nationalistic Doctor, Who
• 43:03
  has been made in Wales for the last 20 years, but this is the
• 43:05
  first story actually about whales.
• 43:07
  I'm not gonna read you a whole commentary episode for all the
• 43:10
  reasons. It's about that but it's a story
• 43:11
  that talks to the history of Wales to Welsh identity.
• 43:14
  There's the ways in which that has been ignored or cut out, but
• 43:19
  also the ways in which that has become toxic and has been
• 43:21
  weaponized, you know, you've got a bad guy saying, all the Welsh
• 43:24
  know what it's like to be oppressed.
• 43:26
  You know, this isn't just some sort of song for the land of my
• 43:29
  father's against English imperialism.
• 43:31
  You know, it's Russell today, Davis writing about Society,
• 43:34
  writing about things that make him angry writing about the
• 43:36
  people. He knows, and he can say, and
• 43:38
  that is Russell, T Davis at his best.
• 43:40
  Not when he's just trying to write us.
• 43:43
  Another 405 minutes of quote, unquote, Doctor Who I don't do
• 43:46
  this very often, but I am very quickly just gonna plug the 73
• 43:51
  yards commentary only because for two reasons, one, you were
• 43:53
  magnificent on it and two, because I learned so much, So
• 43:58
  much about that Heritage and I ever episodes so yeah, everyone
• 44:02
  go check that out. And now continue to listen to
• 44:04
  this episode. Thank you.
• 44:06
  Really. That was one of my notes
• 44:08
  actually is it's so well. Although I've got to say, you
• 44:12
  know, you said about this being in scrutable and sort of not
• 44:14
  having explanations. I mean, you know, he's very
• 44:17
  pretty and all of that but Martha asked me the most stupid
• 44:19
  question when I was really watching this, you why did we
• 44:22
  never find out what that woman was saying?
• 44:24
  I was like, oh God, She was a time traveler from the 70s 3rd
• 44:29
  Century. Does that make you happy Mark?
• 44:30
  So it is nice. Is that?
• 44:34
  So you put it through here? Oh no, no, I've got space.
• 44:39
  Yes, yes yes, nice joke is off with this covers gorgeous.
• 44:46
  Dave ready says superb, a creepy creepy folk horror tale with
• 44:50
  Sean Phillips. Monologue, really Gibson shows
• 44:53
  in her first recording just how good she is.
• 44:56
  Kieran Evans says, weird dark creepy.
• 44:59
  Winner acting showcase for me and I like that, they don't
• 45:03
  explain a thing. Dan's 73, yds is the highlight
• 45:07
  of the series and showcases, what a brilliant actress mini
• 45:10
  Gibson is love the folk horror of the first third.
• 45:13
  You really feel all of Ruby's despair as she loses everything,
• 45:16
  followed by hercy of heroic action by bringing down app
• 45:20
  Volume Plus Michael storm, best story of the season with an
• 45:26
  excellent performance from Millie in best classic coated
• 45:29
  Edition. RTD raids familiar horoscopes
• 45:31
  with elements of folk horror and the woman in black, especially
• 45:35
  the Nigel, Neil version throwing in and some fresh produced.
• 45:39
  I agree with that guy. So anyway, Jason Thompson says
• 45:43
  wonderfully unsettling and Millie Gibson gives us superb
• 45:46
  performance watching her lose everyone for reasons, she never
• 45:49
  understands he's deeply affecting the implied sexual
• 45:52
  sort of Roger at Williams. Why do I have to keep saying
• 45:55
  that assistant seemed and unnecessary element though.
• 45:58
  I don't agree with that at all. Got to be there monster is yeah,
• 46:05
  Steph destroyer of worlds. Yes, please dreamy, High concert
• 46:12
  Focus or a weirdness domesticated as a means to kill
• 46:15
  fastest. It gets a tick from me.
• 46:17
  There's something called ski is about it times.
• 46:21
  Doctor, Who should be willfully. Weird more often Oh win. 73 yds
• 46:28
  is the best episode since Village of the angels and is one
• 46:31
  of the most striking engaging and unnerving stories of their
• 46:35
  Revival. But did we need the sexual abuse
• 46:37
  storyline? Yes, we did.
• 46:40
  So good. We don't want it but we needed
• 46:42
  it. It's all going well, so far, 73
• 46:44
  yards, Edward cook Reese, such a standout episode this season at
• 46:48
  first, it's one thing, and then it's another subvert and your
• 46:51
  expectations really Gibson. His gold, Andy Parkinson.
• 46:55
  It's been years since Dr. Who has gripped?
• 46:57
  Me like this story does from beginning of to end.
• 46:59
  I couldn't look away. It's a shame to have a doctor.
• 47:02
  Light story this early, but merely does so well in that
• 47:04
  she's and she just carries it. Masterfully.
• 47:07
  The ending is a bit enigmatic. It's supposed to be but I love
• 47:11
  it. Keep it.
• 47:14
  Daniel Knight The Best of the seas in a confident production
• 47:17
  with two distinct parts and an excellent showcase for me, Gibbs
• 47:21
  and the Montage with Lobby, safes.
• 47:24
  Watch me, as I said, for freeze, watch me, it's great.
• 47:30
  It feels very modern and effective Plus game, show,
• 47:33
  Philips is in it. He's big, he's orange.
• 47:37
  Michael, RTD has gotten clever at covering when his actors on
• 47:45
  available. That's it.
• 47:46
  I feel this one. It's just a little bit
• 47:48
  overrated, even if it gives a really gives an absolute
• 47:51
  showcase to run with, I want to love it but I'm left feeling
• 47:54
  like it's a bit of a swing and a miss The company.
• 47:58
  Yeah, it's such a unique and unconventional story Doctor Who
• 48:04
  is an a to an a to 24 Staleys. The story constantly tax in
• 48:59
  different directions showing us a ruby isolated and gradually
• 49:03
  coming to turn to the loneliness and mortality a proper classic.
• 49:07
  And Sean Phillips is in it for Christ.
• 49:09
  Say, Oscar Groucho says, oh these are always eyebrows
• 49:14
  comments. Love you or Scar tonally.
• 49:17
  The defining point of this era, which is a typical and episode
• 49:20
  as it is structured oddly, while Mr. James wrote the signalman
• 49:24
  whilst watching, Michael Dobson's House of Cards.
• 49:27
  Got walls. Doctor becomes mythologized by
• 49:29
  his absence uneven, but gripping the season stand out.
• 49:33
  Oh No. Alright, this is the first one
• 49:36
  that isn't it? And it would be dealing with the
• 49:40
  first Doctor, Who story I ever turned off Milly?
• 49:44
  Just isn't leave material. The gothic horror stuff is so
• 49:48
  dull, and I have zero interested in seeing it on Modern who the
• 49:52
  political stuff is more interested.
• 49:53
  But why does this weird trap thing?
• 49:55
  Send Ruby on this Mission, it makes no sense and the doctor
• 49:59
  really shouldn't be traveling with someone who lets people
• 50:01
  get, right? Oh, I think about Dylan, um, is
• 50:07
  he's not, he's making fucking television for God's wife.
• 50:12
  Where is the Disney money? He does have an issue.
• 50:18
  Because when we talked about the haunting ability Atari, he had a
• 50:21
  real issue of the gothic horror and that as well Dylan, you need
• 50:24
  to accept. It is a staple of Doctor Who and
• 50:26
  they will come back to it every year, but this isn't Gothic
• 50:29
  horror. This isn't gonna go because he
• 50:32
  genres, right? Joe.
• 50:38
  Oh, sorry. I like 73 yards and he says that
• 50:44
  very excitedly as if he didn't like much to that point.
• 50:46
  And I liked that, not all the questions were answered, Millie
• 50:50
  Gibson, gives her best performance of the season.
• 50:52
  I wish we had more time to see the impact of rubies and
• 50:56
  Justified, the means decisions, John Arnold a Shaggy Dog story
• 51:01
  As Told by Mr. James with the existential Terror of isolation
• 51:05
  at its heart, Rich deliberately discursive and Haunting in every
• 51:09
  sense. James hadwin Bennett and another
• 51:12
  piss around with time story. And I suspect, I would have
• 51:15
  enjoyed the flip side of shooting fighting fairies more
• 51:19
  than this. Oh More shame.
• 51:21
  Poor effort made in aging Ruby and a random reset switch at the
• 51:25
  end. I don't know if you like that or
• 51:27
  not. I'm guessing not like saves
• 51:31
  Jenkins. 70 yards is an episode. The gun is a lot of Praise but
• 51:35
  not for me. Two reasons, I still don't like
• 51:40
  Ruby and it has an Ender that just resets everything.
• 51:42
  Sure, it has things to say, but doesn't stick the London.
• 51:46
  I found it on satisfying and frustrating.
• 51:48
  Hey, didn't even like the ghost event spice.
• 51:51
  Let's not listen to him. Revolting.
• 51:53
  Grossing gross, one name. What was fantastic?
• 51:59
  Doesn't get enough. Recognition didn't race.
• 52:01
  I may not have taken to her first, but I love this
• 52:04
  Companion. Now even if they rushed her Arc
• 52:06
  up to this point needed better, 40, plus makeup, what's wrong
• 52:10
  with those big glasses on that, massive wine, glass, convinced
• 52:13
  me still looked still looked 20 evening classes.
• 52:16
  I just thought she looked like a good for you.
• 52:20
  She looked really hot. You know how old is she?
• 52:25
  She's in a 20s. Now, young enough to be your
• 52:27
  daughter. Right.
• 52:34
  Last two that Brendan Jones haunting and beautiful.
• 52:38
  We've all felt like the world was against us at some point and
• 52:41
  this script Taps into that Universal fear.
• 52:43
  That Ruby takes a tragic, circus dance, and use it to change.
• 52:46
  The world is triumphant, then we get that gut punch.
• 52:49
  That this isn't the end, merely is brilliant.
• 52:52
  And finally, Paul Kresser says, the first half was wonderful
• 52:56
  with some amazing Direction and they just thought of me and is
• 53:00
  off to a pretty unsatisfying. Conclusion, a Pity as they were
• 53:04
  lots of good elements. You cannot say the back end of
• 53:07
  this episode isn't well directed that being the hospital's
• 53:10
  fucking chilling. The summer of that then is that
• 53:14
  nearly great performance and people don't actually have an
• 53:18
  issue with it being Not having all the answers even though
• 53:21
  that's what seems to be pushed around anyway.
• 53:25
  Daniel your Champion it. Yeah, dominantly definitely.
• 53:29
  Um, it's it's funny, we mentioned all this thing about
• 53:32
  folk horror. So yes, we mentioned a24.
• 53:34
  Which is this sort of independent, independent
• 53:39
  American Studio, which does a lot of, well, independent movies
• 53:43
  and horror movies. And one of them I'll mention is
• 53:46
  this one reminds me of a little bit, is it follows?
• 53:49
  Which is a 2014 horror movie directed by David Robert
• 53:54
  Mitchell? I think, which is not quite the
• 53:57
  modern classic that it's often touted to be.
• 53:59
  But it has that same sort of ambiance of dread.
• 54:03
  And it is about basically this monster which in human form
• 54:07
  which follows you and it follows you all your life and it kills
• 54:11
  you and so you can't escape it and it's it and because it's in
• 54:15
  human form, you could be anybody.
• 54:16
  And so, is that sort of thing of always, keeping ahead of it,
• 54:19
  whereas here, in Doctor, Who it's bitten nicer because it's
• 54:23
  it's just this harmless old woman who just Follows Ruby
• 54:26
  around wherever she goes. Yeah, exactly.
• 54:29
  Yes, Joe's acting out. Now on camera.
• 54:33
  Um, I can't. Well, I like about this is that
• 54:36
  when it special, if you watch it immediately after boom, which is
• 54:39
  an episode with so many rules, and it's often, and they
• 54:42
  explained the rules as they go along here.
• 54:43
  There's literally only two rules, and it doesn't really
• 54:46
  matter if they if they are dear to them or not.
• 54:50
  So the rule that, you know, if you say she stays exactly 73
• 54:53
  yards wherever she goes and if people try and walk up to, they
• 54:58
  run away screaming. So it is all about a lot of
• 55:03
  irrational fears, it got me thinking a lot about about
• 55:08
  loneliness, really. It's because Ruby says that the
• 55:11
  end of the episode, I've been abandoned all my life and it is
• 55:16
  a lot of there is a lot of that sort of thought about about
• 55:20
  growing old and the passage of time and you and when, and the
• 55:25
  more alone you are, the more anxiety you can have and whether
• 55:29
  they're rational or irrational. And I have this thing, too.
• 55:32
  Where, where, you know, Know, I have my own fears and anxieties
• 55:35
  and there are, you know, I don't always share them with friends
• 55:40
  or family because you want you. So, you keep them at a distance
• 55:43
  as they say, in the episode semper distance, always distant.
• 55:46
  Because if you confronted these people in your life with these
• 55:50
  fears, maybe they would run away screaming.
• 55:52
  So, and you have all the the lonely people in these in this
• 55:58
  episode. So Carla.
• 56:00
  Ruby's mom, who's lonely? She's mentioned.
• 56:02
  She's never had a man. She lives with cherry.
• 56:05
  Ruby's. Grandmother?
• 56:06
  Who's lonely Mrs? Flood.
• 56:09
  Their neighbor is always. Lonely lives on her own Jocelyn,
• 56:12
  in space babies, all alone. It's this whole, this whole
• 56:15
  series is full of lonely. People Rogues, a lone wolf kind
• 56:18
  of Bounty Hunter. And you know the Beatles
• 56:22
  themselves sort of song, you know, all the lonely people.
• 56:26
  Where do they all come from and serious one?
• 56:33
  Yeah. And so as as people have
• 56:37
  mentioned, it's great that she uses that sort of that that
• 56:40
  isolation and uses it to unseat. Roger at William, who is, you
• 56:44
  know, this terrifying sort of, you know, World destroying.
• 56:50
  Well, this terrifying fascist with aspirations of world,
• 56:54
  domination and destruction and It's it's interesting that the
• 57:01
  yes we mentioned the Marty Bridges sort of subplot which is
• 57:04
  this it's very obliquely suggested that it is a sexual
• 57:09
  abuse case and I think that it's in there because it's all about
• 57:14
  the power and the evil that men do in this very sort of abstract
• 57:18
  sense and and you know it's so it could it could if I think if
• 57:25
  the episode was very specific about what kind of man, Roger at
• 57:30
  Gilliam is is he a bit like Trump?
• 57:31
  Is he a bit like any other dictated nowadays?
• 57:33
  I think it would lose a lot of the power.
• 57:35
  The fact that he sort of slightly vaguely defined is
• 57:38
  makes him more Sinister, I think and just a word for me as well.
• 57:45
  Who yes. If you put glasses on many gifts
• 57:49
  and she does look 40. I'm so tired of a huge week.
• 57:56
  I'm so tired of all these movies and TV shows, who think if you
• 57:59
  slather someone in, you know, Michelin Man Tire, makeup, God,
• 58:04
  if you want to start Daniel. Well, yeah.
• 58:07
  I was gonna say this is grow about five times the size, when
• 58:10
  they're older. It's swell up, it looks like.
• 58:12
  Yeah, I was gonna mention. Yeah they look like Star Trek
• 58:14
  people. Um so if you just put glasses on
• 58:17
  her yeah, that that does the job and you know there are a lot of
• 58:20
  40, hot 40 rods, I know. So um, yeah it works and you
• 58:25
  know, it's, it's also quite funny for an episode as well.
• 58:28
  So there's that bit where she says, to the the campaign
• 58:32
  manager. Oh, well I'll do anything.
• 58:34
  I'll carry the codes and then his heart to her, literally
• 58:36
  carrying the coast. Oh, no, go ahead.
• 58:42
  Is that gag, in the park as well, where she says talking
• 58:46
  about like dates and the guy goes, is there someone else and
• 58:49
  the part that stick. Yeah, she has, you know, Sort
• 58:56
  of, so it's a string of you know of boyfriends who she can't go
• 59:00
  the really the distance with because of this woman in her
• 59:04
  life literally and there's that there's a, there's that whole
• 59:07
  thing where she breaks up with her team's boyfriend and says
• 59:10
  oh, you know, it's all me. It's not you, it's me.
• 59:13
  Well apart from the bad thing that really was you so and you.
• 59:18
  What does that mean? Never mind.
• 59:21
  Dear Oh and that bit where she you know, she knocks over the
• 59:25
  glass and and the waitress is like, excuse me?
• 59:29
  Do you mind? Yeah.
• 59:30
  Right. Yeah.
• 59:35
  Yeah. And and it just yeah, and
• 59:38
  there's it, you know, it the fact that it's sort of it is so
• 59:41
  sort of inscrutable which means you can kind of project,
• 59:45
  anything onto it. It's kind of like one of those.
• 59:48
  Oh, what's his name, an Australian filmmaker, the guy
• 59:52
  who did Picnic at Hanging Rock? I think David were.
• 59:56
  That's right. Yeah.
• 59:59
  So it is very much doctor who does picnic Hanging Rock because
• 1:00:03
  the doctor vanishes within the first three minutes to go and
• 1:00:06
  finish sex education. And, and yes, we're left just
• 1:00:12
  with Millie. And the fact that she carries
• 1:00:14
  this on her own, I mean, all those close-ups on her face, she
• 1:00:16
  does so much with with her eyes and just, you know, and, and
• 1:00:21
  some some scenes which are meant to be very emotional.
• 1:00:23
  I think they made more emotional by the fact that she doesn't
• 1:00:26
  really overdo it on the On the crying on the, you know, the the
• 1:00:31
  fact that she that there is this sort of sense of wistfulness of
• 1:00:34
  time passing by and and as we said it, the scope of the
• 1:00:39
  episodes just expands and expands and expands. um, so
• 1:00:44
  yeah, put it put it through when she finally does lose it.
• 1:00:47
  The panic when she's outside her house and the locks been changed
• 1:00:51
  and she smashing at that door, she really goes for it.
• 1:00:54
  Oh, that's really emotional about it.
• 1:00:56
  And also finally, I mean, for people who sort of who would
• 1:01:00
  complain that, oh it doesn't explain itself.
• 1:01:02
  Kate Stewart, turns up and basically gives you the key to
• 1:01:06
  the whole episode in just a couple of lines.
• 1:01:09
  And she sort of says, well you know, we find the X, the
• 1:01:12
  inexplicable, as as human beings and we will do everything to try
• 1:01:15
  and rationalize it. She says it's the line is, I
• 1:01:18
  wrote it down because the line that sums up the episode, we see
• 1:01:21
  something inexplicable and invent the reels to make it work
• 1:01:25
  and that's just go on you at home.
• 1:01:27
  Like, I've got my absolutely I think it pretty much makes sense
• 1:01:32
  from a logical but if you but that's just me.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, that's fine. Everyone's got their own little
• 1:01:38
  readers on it. Plus, I didn't think she had it
• 1:01:40
  in her butt, red, white, manages to do the Jacobi thing of going
• 1:01:43
  from being all lovely to be in just engaged.
• 1:01:46
  That look on her face when she turns to look at.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah, that's the point where the episodes goes from good.
• 1:01:53
  So really good. Because, yeah, that is
• 1:01:56
  certainly, like, how the hell is she getting out of this?
• 1:01:59
  Then that is just great. Joe.
• 1:02:01
  What is the confidential show called these days only watch it?
• 1:02:06
  It ruins. Everything woman, literally
• 1:02:09
  explained what she was doing. She goes, oh, this is what I
• 1:02:11
  decided to do in the episode and then she told me that every time
• 1:02:15
  I watch it, I know what she's doing.
• 1:02:17
  It's really annoying in the same way that they showed you.
• 1:02:20
  That Vincent van Gogh was standing on a revolving
• 1:02:22
  platform. In going round around on a
• 1:02:27
  revolving platform. Instead, of the camera movie,
• 1:02:30
  this is why dog foods don't like Doctor Who just knows people
• 1:02:35
  know. Unless you ready things about
• 1:02:37
  it? I shall tell you where that
• 1:02:38
  Disney money's going, is the fact that they got that Paul
• 1:02:41
  bloody woman, just standing all those fields in that bit where
• 1:02:44
  the trains going along. I just love that bit so much.
• 1:02:47
  She said, that's a, proper horror movie moment, isn't it?
• 1:02:51
  Yeah. Um, my favorite sequence in the
• 1:02:54
  whole episode, I think, is the sequence in the pub in while at
• 1:03:01
  the show and Philip sequence where the basically the whole
• 1:03:03
  thing's a gag, it's like a five minute gag.
• 1:03:06
  But obviously, it's dealing with the themes and it's explaining
• 1:03:09
  the history, and all of that. So, it's laying out all the
• 1:03:12
  episodes substance. But the moment where the
• 1:03:16
  Showman's the You think it's gonna be so awful horror
• 1:03:19
  standing out there unless the pie man standing there and they
• 1:03:21
  all laugh at her. It's a wonderful Daniel.
• 1:03:23
  You want to say something? No, well that yeah and that fact
• 1:03:26
  that they're all kind of carefully spaced about the pub.
• 1:03:28
  It's almost like a sort of a play almost and um and yeah
• 1:03:31
  there is that sort of horror movie thing of the suspicion of
• 1:03:33
  the locals and who is this city girl coming in with her phone
• 1:03:37
  and you know her money. And yeah this was the first
• 1:03:41
  Doctor Who episode in many many years I think.
• 1:03:44
  Since it takes you away where I was like I have no idea where
• 1:03:48
  this is going because it just kept changing tones and genres
• 1:03:52
  all the time. They're not Montage comes in in
• 1:03:54
  the Middle with like a pop song and it's all kind of heartfelt
• 1:03:57
  and lovely. Then you're in the sort of years
• 1:04:00
  and years, political stuff, and the sexual abuse comes in and
• 1:04:03
  you just don't know where this is going.
• 1:04:05
  And that is really, really exciting.
• 1:04:07
  Right up to the point where I who is this a woman and then
• 1:04:12
  when it all clicks into place in the hospital, it's enough.
• 1:04:15
  It's enough that it's her. I don't need any more than that.
• 1:04:18
  I don't really need any more explanation because the rise of
• 1:04:20
  that point has been so great. Bonus points for those aerial
• 1:04:26
  shots of the TARDIS on those cliffs in whales, some of the
• 1:04:30
  most Beauties, beautiful Tardis photography.
• 1:04:32
  You are ever going to see with all the flowers going up, it as
• 1:04:35
  well. Absolutely, stunning.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, you've kind of said it. Oh, it's an absolute Badger.
• 1:04:40
  This is my favorite episode. I think since RTD came back
• 1:04:43
  simply because when when I watched it, I was.
• 1:04:46
  So in the episode, I wasn't even doing my usual.
• 1:04:48
  Docker hose thing of like going. Oh, didn't know direct that bit.
• 1:04:53
  Well, all wasn't that bit well over and oh, it wasn't that bit
• 1:04:56
  a dialogue, right? I always do that with TV.
• 1:04:58
  I was so in the episode, I was immersed in it.
• 1:05:01
  It's fabulous, of course, keep it Cools to mind, that sort of
• 1:05:04
  esoteric speech that the tenant does, in in wild blue yonder
• 1:05:09
  where he describes the Tardis sort of being left on an outcrop
• 1:05:11
  and then a city's built around and the passage of time and that
• 1:05:14
  kind of happens in the episode. You know she goes to revisit it,
• 1:05:18
  the end and it's become this sort of shrine with all these
• 1:05:21
  tributes and Moss and everything.
• 1:05:24
  I went the dust settles on our CD too.
• 1:05:26
  There will be a handful of episodes.
• 1:05:29
  Maybe three or four episodes that you could pull out and say
• 1:05:32
  that some of the best doctor we've ever had and this is one
• 1:05:35
  of those episodes. Yeah, well yeah, I'm definitely
• 1:05:39
  jumping as well. It's, it's just, it's just
• 1:05:43
  really, it's one of the episodes I could watch again and again,
• 1:05:45
  and again. And you feel like you could
• 1:05:47
  always get more out of it. Weirdly I my least favorite bit
• 1:05:51
  by a mile is that Pub scene? Just because it feels like what
• 1:05:56
  we've seen before and it's just a bit. crap as soon as she's on
• 1:06:00
  the train I'm like yes and it just gets better and better and
• 1:06:04
  I mean I'd say one thing is that like this was actually scary
• 1:06:08
  like like I'm 29.
• 1:06:55
  I have not been scared of Doctor Who since I did a 13, maybe the
• 1:07:00
  Waters of Mars were that first went up.
• 1:07:02
  It won't be scared. You are the one, drop the one
• 1:07:06
  drop on roading and it's like Christ.
• 1:07:08
  I can't touch water ever again, but like, for doxy 10s, not
• 1:07:12
  really to scare. But what's in this quarter?
• 1:07:15
  One in the morning and that sequence where Ruby's Diner in
• 1:07:20
  the bed, it should. It's after it being, you know.
• 1:07:23
  So it's the yards away. It starts to get closer.
• 1:07:26
  And she can't move guy. Yeah, did she shiver me up at
• 1:07:30
  me? We grab the chop his hands.
• 1:07:31
  Like, oh my God, we were so scared, like, for doctors for
• 1:07:35
  doing that, my age, and like, Brazilians to horror is it's
• 1:07:38
  pretty bloody impressive. This is the man, you know,
• 1:07:41
  message me after the whale and said, well I was so lame.
• 1:07:44
  I want to if it's right not throwing around the room.
• 1:07:48
  I've a real problem with people getting further away, like so
• 1:07:53
  many Ghosts things to it. So stupid talking about ghosts
• 1:07:58
  now. Okay, I like that.
• 1:08:04
  Ruby's mom disowned her again in two out, two appearances only
• 1:08:09
  because only because we get a brilliant rap song from.
• 1:08:12
  Oh yeah. You see that?
• 1:08:13
  That is Phantom of foster mother of course yeah, a foster.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah, it's really know. You said it all.
• 1:08:22
  It's just that inexplicable thing.
• 1:08:24
  It's the It's as soon as it was, I've got to watch it again.
• 1:08:28
  So understand it to get closer and you can you can get quite
• 1:08:32
  far into explanations and then they don't quite cover
• 1:08:35
  everything, but that's good. That's nice.
• 1:08:39
  For me even now what the story in the engine's just gonna, this
• 1:08:42
  is by far the best. She got her up.
• 1:08:45
  So, Early in it. Well there's that comment wasn't
• 1:08:50
  that embarrassingly that's a best stories of the seasons.
• 1:08:56
  Have I was like three best episodes.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah, because I love lucky days. Well, yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Well, maybe unpack that later, Daniel.
• 1:09:08
  Would you like see Jesus story to Champion or condemn?
• 1:09:12
  All right, let's well, let's go back one episode and talk about.
• 1:09:17
  Well, if I can turn into Sophie Aldridge for a second, let's
• 1:09:21
  talk about. Boom.
• 1:09:22
  Um, Yeah, so well, this is going in the bin.
• 1:09:30
  Okay, I'll preface our preface this by saying I do actually
• 1:09:34
  think there is a lot to recommend in this.
• 1:09:36
  So, you know, asking Steven Moffat back to Dr, Who, and he's
• 1:09:41
  a pile up from the, the two, the two writers on Rogue.
• 1:09:45
  He's the only other writer. So it is kind of nice to have a
• 1:09:47
  bit of a break from from the other, the only other writer I
• 1:09:51
  just marvelous, Mr. Marvelous Roswell TV.
• 1:09:54
  So, you know, and, and he's, you know, he's still good at the
• 1:09:59
  fundamentals of like things like structure.
• 1:10:01
  So showing you, those two sort of Anglican Marines at the
• 1:10:04
  beginning who died to kind of establish the tangible Stakes
• 1:10:08
  with with these all those ambulances you know beating
• 1:10:11
  around and you know each plot Point kind of runs into the
• 1:10:15
  other. So it's all case of sort of
• 1:10:17
  cause and effect and momentum and so and but and therefore and
• 1:10:21
  and just wait because then this will happen and a whoops.
• 1:10:24
  So all kind of bit twisty turny rather than the kind of slightly
• 1:10:29
  plodding and And this happened and then this happened.
• 1:10:31
  And then this happened. So it makes it feel quite
• 1:10:34
  organic and, you know, he wrote this knot along after doing a
• 1:10:38
  play, I think the unfriend. So it's, it feels very kind of
• 1:10:42
  quite theatrical. It's all one location which is
• 1:10:45
  great for sort of tension and suspense.
• 1:10:47
  It puts the doctor literally on the back foot and he does that
• 1:10:52
  sort of morbid Robert Holmes, thing of on especially with AI.
• 1:10:57
  So the AI of John, kind of using the AI using his voice and His
• 1:11:01
  Image to try and say anything in his name.
• 1:11:04
  So it's a complete lack of autonomy from the deceased,
• 1:11:07
  which is quite horrifying. And they do this today with
• 1:11:10
  superhero movies and they kind of resurrect dead actors with
• 1:11:14
  really creepy and really ill-judged uses of Technology.
• 1:11:18
  Quite frankly, that should be bad, but not, it wasn't as well.
• 1:11:23
  As before was, wasn't it? It was no, I see he's never been
• 1:11:26
  back, he's never been worse. Um you may fire when ready and
• 1:11:33
  so so yeah and of course, you know, shooty is very good
• 1:11:37
  because he does a lot of acting with his eyes he's forced after
• 1:11:41
  those all those episodes of him running about full of energy,
• 1:11:44
  he's got to stand still so it's a very Steven moth that thing of
• 1:11:48
  well how can I really kind of put the doctor put pressure on
• 1:11:52
  the doctor and I'm gonna just make him stand still in an
• 1:11:55
  extended scene of Genesis of the Daleks basically.
• 1:12:01
  It's a great premise, it is a great concept and it and, you
• 1:12:04
  know, it's very Steven moffat's come up with something like that
• 1:12:08
  and and even kind of uses a sort of he uses the that so the, The
• 1:12:13
  Arc thing that Russell TJ's has going on with the snow.
• 1:12:16
  You know, when, when the snow appears shooting, all kind of
• 1:12:19
  hopeful says, all the snow is good and then he just freezes
• 1:12:22
  it. Like, no, not gonna get out.
• 1:12:24
  We're not gonna get out of that easily.
• 1:12:28
  So, and of course, finally that, that last shot the last scene
• 1:12:31
  is, is gorgeous. Where he kind of quotes that
• 1:12:34
  that poem by Philip Larkin and Arundel Tome?
• 1:12:38
  I think which the final line of which is what survives of us is
• 1:12:41
  love. And it has that very similar
• 1:12:43
  kind of valedictorian tone of that he had sort of forest of
• 1:12:49
  the dead and twice upon a time where he sort of a writer who's
• 1:12:53
  come to the, to the conclusion. Well, maybe this is the final
• 1:12:56
  go. I will have at writing Doctor
• 1:12:58
  Who, so let me try and sum it all up, once more, and of
• 1:13:02
  course, it wasn't how big in this one.
• 1:13:05
  Well, here we go. So, however, um, I just couldn't
• 1:13:10
  quite Shake the sense that we've been here before because it's a
• 1:13:15
  lot of. So there's so I do appreciate
• 1:13:17
  Moffat, trying to kind of Get angry about the military,
• 1:13:21
  industrial complex and and you have all these sort of lines
• 1:13:25
  like, oh, Modern Warfare death by salesmen and war is business.
• 1:13:29
  And business is booming, and life is cheap.
• 1:13:31
  But patients are expensive, keeps you die.
• 1:13:34
  And keeps you buying? So again, he's got that sort of.
• 1:13:37
  He's got that. That is that Moffat?
• 1:13:39
  Peter patter, but there's also all those sort of catchphrases,
• 1:13:43
  which I usually don't mind, but there's so many of them here, is
• 1:13:47
  because he kind of, it's almost like, he felt.
• 1:13:49
  Oh, I've got to get the morning. Because this might mean by us.
• 1:13:51
  Go. So kiss, kiss, thoughts and
• 1:13:53
  prayers. Sharp scratch.
• 1:13:55
  Do your teeth. Everything's a beach eventually,
• 1:13:58
  daddy. We saw the antelope together.
• 1:14:02
  That's a daddy. That's the next thing is, he has
• 1:14:06
  to put a kid in there. I know he's backing cage.
• 1:14:09
  He's I know he's sort of made big statements about Parenthood
• 1:14:13
  before in Doctor Who, but she's not very good actor with the
• 1:14:17
  best will in the world splice and When you know what's John,
• 1:14:21
  what's his name says go and do your teeth you think?
• 1:14:23
  Yeah, DT and I mean she isn't a great active but there's not
• 1:14:27
  much she looks stupid. When there's so much going on
• 1:14:31
  around and she's looking at the pictures of the answer though.
• 1:14:35
  Yeah. That's not really her
• 1:14:37
  performance that it's just like I mean I have a small child and
• 1:14:43
  I can show you if you put a tablet in front of them, they
• 1:14:45
  are not paying attention to anything else that's going on.
• 1:14:48
  Oh yeah. Child splice though.
• 1:14:51
  She's not really a small child though.
• 1:14:53
  Is she I think that's the yeah, that's supposed to be what,
• 1:14:56
  like, eight years old. Something like that.
• 1:14:58
  Yeah, no, that's a fair point. Morph, it does tend to write
• 1:15:01
  every child as being about five And you know, you can have a lot
• 1:15:05
  of faith, but she takes his death very well at the end of
• 1:15:07
  the episode. Okay.
• 1:15:12
  But you're never gonna see him again.
• 1:15:14
  Well, yeah, that's so much of that sort of attention between
• 1:15:17
  shooting and Millie. They're kind of like, oh, was
• 1:15:19
  she gonna? She gonna realize how dad's dead
• 1:15:21
  or we better? We better not tell her and, you
• 1:15:23
  know, and you kind of bracing yourself for crying scene, but
• 1:15:26
  there isn't really one. So that is kind of a relief.
• 1:15:29
  But yeah, and and just sort of, I just felt that there is a
• 1:15:34
  sense of we've been here before in other stories, you know, in
• 1:15:38
  twice Upon a Time in, In the Flesh and stone and the time of
• 1:15:43
  the angels, with the sort of Church of the papal Mainframe
• 1:15:46
  and and just sort of, he also takes Ruby out of the action.
• 1:15:52
  So she gets shot, which is a very dramatic moment, but he
• 1:15:57
  also kind of turns her into Clara Oswald.
• 1:15:59
  So she even died but not really. So, So that's right.
• 1:16:05
  That's that scene where she has with with them, which she plays
• 1:16:09
  very well with Shruti of giving him refusing to give him the the
• 1:16:14
  smelted person who reflect the flash.
• 1:16:18
  Yeah. Just say the balance is the
• 1:16:22
  balance is way and you know is literally like you know stay
• 1:16:25
  there. You clever boy and listen to me.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, and just that thing at the end of it is a very that thing
• 1:16:34
  of the end of of them, looking out at the planet.
• 1:16:37
  And, and then him going off with Millie again.
• 1:16:40
  And we're supposed to be a nice image of Mandy Flynn and, and
• 1:16:45
  splice sort of looking out at the, the planet Vista together.
• 1:16:48
  But it's, it's very its kind of slightly undercut by the
• 1:16:54
  Hologram of the dads literally popping in waving.
• 1:16:58
  Goodbye to shoot me. Oh, And, you know, again, had he
• 1:17:05
  gone out on that note. I would have said, yeah, I mean,
• 1:17:08
  that was a good enough sort of return to Doctor, Who by Stephen
• 1:17:13
  moffatt. But of course, he gave us a Joy
• 1:17:16
  to the World, the better. Covid.
• 1:17:21
  Socks, the Star of Bethlehem, the end, he mentions Bethlehem
• 1:17:27
  and he says oh people want to go to boring places like Bethany.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, well you know, Right? I just I'm on the phone to this
• 1:17:36
  one. So quite looking forward to
• 1:17:37
  seeing what this is say, and what you say.
• 1:17:40
  But should we do the comments? Okay?
• 1:17:42
  Because off Joe so rich and sorry, it used to be in your
• 1:17:47
  hands like, oh, it's lovely. Brendan Jones, says, angry
• 1:17:51
  Steven. Moffat is the best Stephen,
• 1:17:53
  moffatt. Shooting stock gets to be
• 1:17:55
  properly angry and scary here and I just can't.
• 1:17:58
  It's a criticism of capitalism warmongering and willful
• 1:18:02
  ignorance really. An infuriating stuff.
• 1:18:04
  I disagree. I think it's too cynical at
• 1:18:08
  times. This this one anyway, Nathan
• 1:18:11
  bottomley Moffitt is back in up to his usual tricks.
• 1:18:14
  One of which is imposing crazy. Formal constraints on himself.
• 1:18:18
  As usual the result is a compelling and angry episode.
• 1:18:21
  Perhaps more brutally Savage about the Confluence of religion
• 1:18:24
  and War then he ever has been before.
• 1:18:26
  Sadly, the child that was older than the script needed to be and
• 1:18:30
  the ending is a bit cheesy. Fit is the best right at the
• 1:18:34
  show as ever had take that joke fraud and I'll never be sorry to
• 1:18:37
  see him back. Bulshit, Paul Chrysler, says,
• 1:18:41
  mop. It stretches.
• 1:18:43
  Another story from a single scene in Genesis of the Daleks
• 1:18:46
  yawn and we could Reese atmospheric and great
• 1:18:51
  performances Moffitt Doom. What he does best ortho.
• 1:18:54
  He does kill the companion again.
• 1:18:58
  Big, welcome back Stephen moffatt.
• 1:19:04
  Why the fuck did I have to say that one and what a super story
• 1:19:08
  bring you back? Yes I have expectations and it
• 1:19:11
  delivered them and then some get what is again superb.
• 1:19:15
  I love this episode of great deal and I love seeing Moffat
• 1:19:18
  thread. A few lines of continuity in his
• 1:19:21
  stories. Keep it.
• 1:19:22
  Michael storm more returns and delivers a solid story in a good
• 1:19:26
  showcase for shooting the whole fake war concept is interesting,
• 1:19:30
  and the satire of monetized healthcare is perhaps a bit too,
• 1:19:33
  on the nose at the time, it might not be Peak Moffat but
• 1:19:36
  it's definitely above our fridge.
• 1:19:39
  Dave running says it's tents and interesting but it ends with
• 1:19:43
  another love conquers all, which is a good message, but very old
• 1:19:49
  hat on now. David, Gillespie Pratt branded
• 1:19:52
  hitchcockian by people. I'm assuming have only ever seen
• 1:19:56
  a photo of Hitchcock and being told he did suspense.
• 1:20:00
  Yes, David. The night goes to.
• 1:20:03
  I don't enjoy this as much as I fought else.
• 1:20:07
  The planet set feels very seasoned, one TNG know the Next
• 1:20:12
  Generation. Okay.
• 1:20:13
  And that's for that final shot with the Hologram waving, oh
• 1:20:19
  professed Moffitt lover. John Arnold says, this literally
• 1:20:25
  lies his Moffat Trope of having the doctors weaknesses being
• 1:20:28
  standing still. He might have done this story
• 1:20:30
  before but they're still mileage and seeing how different doctors
• 1:20:33
  cope with it. Dylan, Reese Catwoman, here he
• 1:20:39
  proves he has neither the talent or ability to handle the role of
• 1:20:42
  the doctor. The script is rehashed stuff
• 1:20:45
  off. It's done better elsewhere and
• 1:20:47
  it looks like absolutely shit terrible Studio.
• 1:20:50
  About look should not have been broadcast now.
• 1:20:53
  I, I will agree with Dylan partially on, that should not
• 1:20:57
  have been broadcast, maybe not. But I, I was not a fan of the
• 1:21:01
  way. It's, I know, they spent they
• 1:21:03
  spent lots of money on it and it was this whole new thing that
• 1:21:06
  they couldn't do 20 years ago. And they finally did it this
• 1:21:09
  time. I just think it looks so sort of
• 1:21:12
  Muddy and, and sort of it just looks ugly, and I didn't think
• 1:21:17
  it looked at all. I think the pit with the Rings
• 1:21:19
  coming out of them. Look amazing.
• 1:21:20
  Oh, the planets look good when they clear away the smoke.
• 1:21:23
  Yes. Thank God.
• 1:21:24
  You know, you gotta remember I did a racer.
• 1:21:26
  I came on this podcast and championed the production value
• 1:21:29
  of Dragonfire. All right, let's Not put too
• 1:21:34
  much for us in his opinion. Jason Thompson says hi a concept
• 1:21:39
  episode largely. Well executed even if the ending
• 1:21:41
  is a bit tweet. Why hasn't anyone else's love
• 1:21:44
  for their child? Knack of the ambulances before
• 1:21:47
  now, can't think of much else to save for it, keep for the nice
• 1:21:50
  idea, I guess. oh, Daniel Knight, boom.
• 1:21:55
  Features a digit Blind, Faith, which annoyed me, but is ironic
• 1:21:58
  giving Stephen Moffitt is worshiped by many fans who
• 1:22:01
  conveniently, ignore. He also wrote just like the
• 1:22:03
  Magician's Apprentice in the witches familiar.
• 1:22:05
  What has hand minds or land? Like how does it does have
• 1:22:11
  something from Genesis or the Daleks and it as well?
• 1:22:13
  Yeah, otherwise it's a bit more fits a clever child alien set,
• 1:22:19
  go wrong, and everybody lives moment at the end.
• 1:22:20
  And just in case we forgot it just in case we forgot, it's a
• 1:22:24
  Moffett script, there's a desperate fish fingers and
• 1:22:26
  custard reference at the end. Oh well, at least no one turns
• 1:22:29
  into the Star of Bethlehem crossed.
• 1:22:33
  Literally, Luke says, finally a story not written by Russell
• 1:22:38
  team Davis. Something fresh.
• 1:22:40
  Oh, it's Steven Bauer. That's it.
• 1:22:43
  I really enjoyed this one. What if the landmines seen in
• 1:22:47
  Genesis was an hour, long, simple and effective.
• 1:22:51
  Jesus, Oscar Groucho, I can't say that Rosencrantz and
• 1:22:55
  Guildenstern on a landmine. After he was a stage show got
• 1:23:03
  where relishes the chance to develop his take on the role.
• 1:23:06
  Michael looks so confused like Rosencrantz and Guild is the
• 1:23:12
  dead. What's he talking?
• 1:23:13
  You, you you said these comments in like you're an intellectual
• 1:23:16
  Oscar Groucho. I'm glad it wasn't my
• 1:23:19
  pronounciation. I thought that's what you really
• 1:23:21
  looking to stay full about revolting.
• 1:23:24
  Grows who are you? Revolting growth, just pretty
• 1:23:27
  disgusting name it. Bring it out.
• 1:23:31
  Is great, is here. Yes, we know, I like the
• 1:23:34
  greatest hits. You're a bit tired of the same
• 1:23:36
  old shoes, but You'll still enjoying it.
• 1:23:39
  That could apply to RTD2 as a whole staff destroyer of worlds
• 1:23:46
  cranks. The tension up deliciously with
• 1:23:49
  all that standing still while the lights tick, tick tick, but
• 1:23:52
  love conquers all way too often. And well, let's not The
• 1:23:56
  Parkinson. This Bears, all the Hallmarks of
• 1:23:58
  the Stephen. Moffatt story.
• 1:23:59
  Really, no one else has mentioned that, but smart
• 1:24:02
  dialogue and Whit can't paper over the cracks.
• 1:24:04
  It's just a bit dull. Again, it looks great.
• 1:24:07
  But I'll happily skip over this when watching the season but
• 1:24:10
  it's James has been better. Oh no his favorite the cheapest.
• 1:24:16
  Looking Doctor Who stories. It's the edge of Destruction
• 1:24:19
  tediously predictable but damn shit.
• 1:24:30
  He acted his socks off and couldn't hide the twinkling.
• 1:24:32
  His eye when examining 12 inches of flash tube.
• 1:24:35
  Not the worst of the season but definitely Daniel just got his
• 1:24:41
  head. It is hard not to see the season
• 1:24:43
  but definitely the list he's singing timeline.
• 1:24:46
  Okay, finally, let's hope we get some sense from here and Evans
• 1:24:52
  Moffitt is gonna Moffitt and yeah, having him break.
• 1:24:56
  From the having a buffet is gonna buff it.
• 1:24:59
  And yeah, having a break from the show has helped somewhat
• 1:25:02
  good showcase for a shooting Emily.
• 1:25:04
  The flesh scrub. Oh god, oh yeah.
• 1:25:07
  Sorry, I've sort of say, fresh Light and the flesh scroll is
• 1:25:11
  quite grim and somewhat questionable.
• 1:25:16
  He wants to get Michael. Do you want to go next?
• 1:25:19
  I've not heard his voice for a while.
• 1:25:21
  Yeah. Yeah, so boom.
• 1:25:24
  I forget who said it, um, that someone said that if they
• 1:25:28
  released a greatest hits of Steven Moffat album, boom would
• 1:25:32
  be the new single that they stick on the end.
• 1:25:34
  And I think that's fairly fairly true as everyone has said.
• 1:25:38
  It's, it's very much more, but I don't mind that I like Steven
• 1:25:42
  Moffat. Only think Doctor Who fans don't
• 1:25:44
  know when they've got a good thing frankly, a lot of the time
• 1:25:47
  and don't you look at me right now, grown ups are offering
• 1:25:53
  their opinions. Do your teeth.
• 1:25:56
  And I I think I like it I want to say it.
• 1:26:03
  I want to save it. I think that the the premise is
• 1:26:06
  a good one icon something but I think even better with Stephen
• 1:26:09
  moffatt in terms of what things clever is I think I really like
• 1:26:12
  the resolution, not the love conquers all element of it which
• 1:26:15
  is very familiar by now but the whole idea of the way I
• 1:26:19
  deactivate this one, mine is by ending the entire wall.
• 1:26:22
  I just think that's. Yeah, that's I like he thinks
• 1:26:25
  about the doctor on that scale. You know, I like that in the.
• 1:26:28
  I like that in the Matt Smith era.
• 1:26:31
  I like that in his ones from RTD one, as well.
• 1:26:34
  I think that's the sort of thing.
• 1:26:35
  He's very good. I like that.
• 1:26:40
  It's engaging with faith and in quite a meaty and angry.
• 1:26:43
  I mean, it's like clips and because they're awesome bubble
• 1:26:45
  and 73 year olds later in the same season.
• 1:26:47
  But I remember at the time, watching some thinking, oh,
• 1:26:50
  well, you can tell this is a co-production now because I
• 1:26:53
  don't imagine the BBC would have.
• 1:26:54
  Let people say that about the Church of England, just on the
• 1:26:57
  Main, and he doesn't come to any quick conclusions about faith.
• 1:27:00
  I've seen it criticized for being mixed or muddied, but I
• 1:27:03
  mean, Steven more for all the fans accusing of arrogance.
• 1:27:06
  I don't think thinks he's gonna settle the matter of God's
• 1:27:09
  existence. In 45 minutes of cycling apology
• 1:27:12
  TV, Um, I even have a certain affection for the things that
• 1:27:17
  don't quite work. I love that doctor who got
• 1:27:20
  access to technology, greater than anything.
• 1:27:23
  It has ever had costing, more than anything it's ever has and
• 1:27:26
  they went, we're gonna do a quarry, that's adorable.
• 1:27:29
  It looks both simultaneously impressive and rubbish, I think
• 1:27:34
  is the truth of the matter, I think, you know, wow, that's a
• 1:27:37
  really impressive effect is, is the issue but it looks rubbish
• 1:27:41
  in the same way that it did when it was in Star Wars.
• 1:27:43
  You know. I think there's a reason they've
• 1:27:45
  rode back on it a bit. I remember watching Obi-Wan,
• 1:27:47
  Kenobi and about three episodes in thinking.
• 1:27:49
  Someone standing next to something, please, please let
• 1:27:54
  locations be proximate again, Star Trek, even worse, you know.
• 1:27:59
  I'm I'm not of the opinion. That comparing something to
• 1:28:03
  Clara Oswald is an insult. I quite like Clara Oswald.
• 1:28:07
  I like it when the companion, I like it.
• 1:28:08
  When the women get to be clever in Doctor Who Joe?
• 1:28:11
  And I love the comment, he said that he said that, the that it's
• 1:28:16
  a, it's a bit on the nose Doctor Who fans will look at Stephen
• 1:28:19
  Moffitt script and say that was a bit on the nose.
• 1:28:21
  And then, the next breath, tell you that the sun makers is
• 1:28:24
  fantastic. I like having Steven Moffat
• 1:28:29
  back. I like having the grumpy clever
• 1:28:31
  Scottish man, back. I like his jokes.
• 1:28:34
  I like his Whimsy. I don't know that small scratch
• 1:28:37
  counts as a catchphrase. Sharp scratch, sharp scratch.
• 1:28:44
  Oh, I liked and I like to set the I'm a Belinda fan.
• 1:28:51
  I like to in this when we all knew about time, this was out
• 1:28:54
  that she was gonna be back and I thought, yes, I can see why you
• 1:28:57
  would cast her again. I'm gonna say it's all.
• 1:29:01
  It's lovely to have Stephen morphett, album track to listen
• 1:29:04
  to I'll go next, Joe. That's all right.
• 1:29:09
  It's frustrated. Daniel you said about that.
• 1:29:14
  This is got loads of rules. My real problem with this is
• 1:29:18
  that the wheels just just don't make sense like that.
• 1:29:23
  Landmine they stood on is meant to be no emotion, otherwise
• 1:29:27
  you'll Set It Off. I mean, he's shot five times,
• 1:29:31
  three times in the arm twice by ambulance Clause he cries he
• 1:29:36
  yells. He laughs, he gets angry and
• 1:29:39
  that like barely moves an inch bollocks.
• 1:29:41
  Right. He's the doctor, you know, going
• 1:29:45
  off this like he could have other one of the road thing the
• 1:29:48
  god off. He'd be fair to shoot see.
• 1:29:51
  I mean I don't be inexpressive for 45 minutes would be done.
• 1:29:57
  Yeah, but I just, it's the central conceit and I think it
• 1:30:01
  is, it is just a bit flawed, if anything, it needs more rules,
• 1:30:05
  or just tone back on the rules that you you've implemented, but
• 1:30:10
  be willing to give it a pass. If the resolution was clever,
• 1:30:14
  you know, like, if you're gonna sit there and watch the doctor
• 1:30:18
  stand still for 40 minutes, I think it's gonna be a really
• 1:30:21
  clever way to get off. Heaven, Sent sort of clever.
• 1:30:25
  I just don't think it is. It's just a bit of a Moffett
• 1:30:29
  show that. It's dead, ghosts doing some
• 1:30:32
  stuff and it's just a bit of a cheat.
• 1:30:35
  Well, to biographical, though, you know, Dad Saves the Day,
• 1:30:39
  literally. To be nice.
• 1:30:43
  Don't even if season had actually come back in some
• 1:30:46
  capacity with the whole season leads in, you know, having these
• 1:30:50
  themes of family and and things like that, but that just doesn't
• 1:30:54
  happen. Yeah.
• 1:30:57
  The scene where we shot. Is still an amazing shocking,
• 1:31:01
  but slow motion Bell. Automatic falling down the hill.
• 1:31:05
  Oh, the first time, I was about next week, but what?
• 1:31:11
  And there are nice. Doctor Ruby scenes.
• 1:31:16
  I'm really on the fence. Ah, it's more so I'll put it
• 1:31:20
  through, okay? I'm gonna sing you a song.
• 1:31:24
  You ready? Boom.
• 1:31:25
  Boom, boom. I want Steve a muffin in my
• 1:31:29
  room. I really love this going back to
• 1:31:31
  it. I was so surprised.
• 1:31:33
  I hate the ending, I hate the kids.
• 1:31:37
  I always hate kids but I there was a really great beer in one
• 1:31:41
  of the comments. I think it was the boom
• 1:31:42
  commentary where RTD says to see the mafia, you know.
• 1:31:47
  I put kids in my doctor, he says Stephen Murphy.
• 1:31:53
  That's because you're a dad first, and you're right a second
• 1:31:56
  and being a dad is the most important thing in your life and
• 1:31:59
  you saw goes quiet a bit sheepish.
• 1:32:01
  And it really made me think oh I can't want to watch all of his
• 1:32:04
  episodes again with all those irritating children in it and
• 1:32:07
  actually reflect starts on that because yeah I thought it really
• 1:32:12
  did. It make me see Steven Moffat in
• 1:32:14
  a new light bar on its own terms?
• 1:32:17
  I like the fact that this looks like a classic Doctor Who story
• 1:32:20
  because I'm a massive fan of classic doctor.
• 1:32:23
  So the fact that this has huge fronting as Vibes on that
• 1:32:26
  planet, I think is rather wonderful.
• 1:32:28
  I think the first half of the episode is genuinely suspenseful
• 1:32:33
  and it's possibly the best dialogue that shoots a mini get
• 1:32:37
  for the entire year. Their relationship is amazing.
• 1:32:41
  That feels like they've been together for six months at that
• 1:32:44
  point. They're so Instinct together.
• 1:32:45
  The bit where she has to hand here.
• 1:32:48
  The, what is it? The Fleshlight, whatever it is.
• 1:32:50
  Yeah, and and they're singing the song together and there's
• 1:32:54
  just a report to them and I don't want to make too many
• 1:32:56
  unfair comparisons with Belinda John, but I just don't feel it
• 1:33:00
  there. The way I feel feel it here I
• 1:33:02
  just I feel like I absolutely adored each other and I love the
• 1:33:06
  fact that he just comes tearing out the Tardis at the start.
• 1:33:08
  You know that he's like that was in trouble.
• 1:33:10
  That's it. That's very Doctrine.
• 1:33:12
  It's one of those moments where he really feels like the doctor
• 1:33:14
  this year. So you know what it's very
• 1:33:16
  doctor switch off forgot but you know he just right at the end he
• 1:33:20
  takes in the sun set for like a second.
• 1:33:22
  And then I Collapse his hands. It goes, come on, let's go,
• 1:33:24
  that's nice. So it or Tom Baker, you know,
• 1:33:28
  one of those where they just go. Tell you the way, this feels
• 1:33:32
  hitchcockian to me, David, Gillespie frat.
• 1:33:35
  Is that Hitchcock would take an idea.
• 1:33:38
  Like I'm gonna do a film, and it's gonna be a series of
• 1:33:41
  extended scenes, without any cuts, and I'm going to try and
• 1:33:45
  make it work and Moffitt challenges himself in this.
• 1:33:48
  I'm gonna, I'm always having the doctor running.
• 1:33:50
  I'm gonna make him stand, still on this.
• 1:33:52
  Bloody land mine, and see if I can write an episode with
• 1:33:55
  suspense and drama and momentum, and excitement and I think he
• 1:34:00
  does it. The kid is shit.
• 1:34:02
  The ending with the love conquers.
• 1:34:04
  All is terrible, but I think for two thirds of this episode is an
• 1:34:07
  absolute back. I guess, please.
• 1:34:08
  Let's put it through. I think if it was actually just
• 1:34:11
  a normal Landmark, I think it would solve a lot of my shoes.
• 1:34:15
  It's the fact. It's so it's a weird.
• 1:34:17
  Oh, like, oh, wait, actually boom.
• 1:34:21
  Then you could have a bargain for Luke.
• 1:34:23
  Oh, and I think Susan, twist is great.
• 1:34:26
  Actually. Ambulance, I was watching it so
• 1:34:29
  much, she's really great. I, I think she's doing a much
• 1:34:32
  better Mrs. Flood this year because it's just doing our camp
• 1:34:37
  thing, you know, and the governor, whereas, Susan, twist
• 1:34:39
  is properly given up performers every week.
• 1:34:41
  Yeah, and somebody for a yards, when she's like, woman with a
• 1:34:44
  sticks, and she sought carried herself like this.
• 1:34:46
  Sorry, that's terrible podcasting.
• 1:34:48
  Like an old woman. Yeah.
• 1:34:50
  Fabulous. Please, Joe.
• 1:34:51
  Have you ever dreamed about in and ambulance?
• 1:34:53
  Know I never dreamed about putting it.
• 1:34:57
  Here we are. Oh, I think I think it works
• 1:35:02
  extremely well. When Rusty Davis is a show
• 1:35:05
  runner and I think this is all without occasionally, but mostly
• 1:35:09
  with, I think he's stronger with.
• 1:35:11
  So that's two for two, that's the odds and boom.
• 1:35:15
  Are three jokes please please please say babies over and done
• 1:35:22
  with yeah, no I mean I really love this.
• 1:35:27
  We both love this, right? We were both fully on board with
• 1:35:31
  this know, I'll look no please. Let me down tonight.
• 1:35:36
  At least what this is, what I've been hiding from you for months.
• 1:35:39
  You hated it. I will get there.
• 1:35:42
  Um it's a typical Rusty Davis opener.
• 1:35:46
  I think babies are fucking weird.
• 1:35:49
  Alright and so just Russell TVs and so we have oh where there's
• 1:35:54
  shooting around in little high chairs creep in the fuck out of
• 1:35:58
  me and it's just it's it's a bit like the troll doll from
• 1:36:04
  Terraria arms. It's like really shit and
• 1:36:08
  embarrassing and a big Hue and really freaky at the same time,
• 1:36:13
  you know like the worst Doctor Who monsters.
• 1:36:52
  Roomba babies. Are just weird.
• 1:37:32
  The white lights Hulk with 80r mouths.
• 1:37:35
  I'm sorry, so creepy, but I think they're both man is a
• 1:37:39
  great monster. Someone in a comment, says a
• 1:37:42
  really terrible monster. I think it's a great decide.
• 1:37:44
  I think it's well short. I think this whole episode is
• 1:37:47
  beautifully shot actually really well there.
• 1:37:49
  It's a great spice set as well. I mean, come on guys, it's set
• 1:37:56
  on a space station in the shape of an ass.
• 1:37:58
  I mean, what more do you need in your doctor, who wear an
• 1:38:02
  enormous far, propels it into the orbit of a planet of the
• 1:38:05
  end. I think, Doctor Who fans take
• 1:38:08
  themselves a little bit too seriously.
• 1:38:10
  And rather pompously, like to suggest that this is high art
• 1:38:15
  rather than television for young people.
• 1:38:17
  Going out on a Saturday night and I'll tell you, now, I'm sure
• 1:38:21
  the young people didn't really that did tune in.
• 1:38:24
  So he tells me know what is watching these days.
• 1:38:26
  I'm sure they were absolutely delighted by this episode.
• 1:38:30
  Anyone sort of, I don't know, be rough.
• 1:38:34
  Six to ten would probably adore this and that's where my mental
• 1:38:38
  ages. So I am great fun with it.
• 1:38:40
  Great scenes with shooting and really throughout, really,
• 1:38:43
  really funny together. I love the way he realizes that
• 1:38:47
  she's got Bogies all over and I love the bit really scarce.
• 1:38:51
  The kids on purpose, twice within one free.
• 1:38:56
  It's really, really funny. I, it's exciting.
• 1:39:01
  It's like This is never gonna be the best Doctor.
• 1:39:05
  Who story of all time is childish.
• 1:39:09
  I really like Charlie's Doctor Who even the info dump of.
• 1:39:12
  The star wasn't as egregious as I remembered.
• 1:39:14
  There's a lot. There's a lot coming at you at
• 1:39:17
  the start but you know, it's like it's that Disney audience,
• 1:39:20
  he's catch them up, fuck you, Luke Malloy.
• 1:39:22
  It's not making it for you. The conquest at all?
• 1:39:27
  Why that is the audience? The conquerors at all?
• 1:39:30
  He mentioned the Ronnie for a reason, you know we may find out
• 1:39:34
  why that was this way. Like eventually.
• 1:39:36
  Yeah. Oh those babies in the test
• 1:39:40
  tubes really weird. I mean, I think it's very bold,
• 1:39:43
  frankly, that Rusty David was making television for Disney the
• 1:39:46
  Americans and he has a swinger abortion.
• 1:39:49
  Yes, a swing at religion. Yes, a swing at racism.
• 1:39:52
  I mean, is he trying to piss these people off now wonder if
• 1:39:55
  anyone watching it over in America Dylan.
• 1:40:01
  I think this is energetic and exciting and silly and it's okay
• 1:40:07
  for dogs who to be all of those things.
• 1:40:08
  I, yeah, it's fine. It's not great.
• 1:40:11
  It's not, it's not a war crime that some people make it out to
• 1:40:15
  be, is a perfectly fine. Piece of Doctor, Who But my vote
• 1:40:18
  doesn't count. It's down to people.
• 1:40:21
  Well, we will guide it. But let's see.
• 1:40:24
  Listen the comments. So we start with Lucy McCall.
• 1:40:26
  I also enjoyed space babies, which I gather was terrible.
• 1:40:31
  Semi animated babies are creepy, but I like the idea of babies
• 1:40:35
  like this safe body. That's not monster.
• 1:40:37
  As we like our buddies on telly. The serious points got a bit
• 1:40:41
  lost in them around but I still quite like it.
• 1:40:43
  Brenda Jones, says a fun and Breezy season opener RTD is true
• 1:40:49
  to his word of building on Chipmunks, editions for the
• 1:40:51
  Canon, with the orphan doctor with the orphan and abducted,
• 1:40:54
  doctor resonating with the abandoned babies and Ruby his
• 1:40:58
  refusal to let the Pokemon die because it's also a kid like him
• 1:41:02
  is magical. Jason Thompson, a fun series
• 1:41:06
  opener which reminds us the series is really not to be
• 1:41:08
  taking too. So seriously it's not monsters
• 1:41:11
  and fart. Gags are fine with me once in a
• 1:41:13
  while. I enjoyed it and the end in
• 1:41:15
  refusing to kill the monster because it's a skirt, baby too
• 1:41:18
  was very Doctor Who the design INF.
• 1:41:20
  Aliens in that airlock sequence was perhaps a little too
• 1:41:23
  obvious, but that's a man and Eagle.
• 1:41:25
  Keep it David Gillespie Pratt. Naughty Perez brought back
• 1:41:28
  memories of the awkward talking babies from my hero and that's
• 1:41:32
  not an association. I want to have with a bold new
• 1:41:35
  series of Doctor Who I'm not sure this was the right story to
• 1:41:38
  launch this era but then I hated rose on first transmission.
• 1:41:42
  So what do I know Don pin can't understand the hate for space
• 1:41:47
  babies. It's the usual light, frothy
• 1:41:49
  Camp, fun seasonal. We've come to expect from an RTD
• 1:41:52
  series. Yes, the CGI for the babies
• 1:41:55
  isn't great, but you can't help love and Eric and Poppy nanny.
• 1:42:00
  Nanny censoring. Jocelyn is funny a fun start.
• 1:42:04
  So you can't love it. Eric, you're probably right.
• 1:42:07
  I love you Ruby. Alex.
• 1:42:11
  Whalen says, I've absolutely bewildered by the sheer Victory
• 1:42:15
  old space babies just received it's not my favorite episode by
• 1:42:18
  any means but it's precisely what I expect from an RTD series
• 1:42:22
  opener, very much in. Keeping up the star of Daniel
• 1:42:25
  new Earth and partners in crime. Revolting grass says, I don't
• 1:42:32
  buy the relationship between the doctor and companion Echoes of
• 1:42:36
  rows in nine, just remind you of when it was done better, just
• 1:42:39
  silly. Who is it for me?
• 1:42:43
  Not that question. John Arnold says, slight
• 1:42:48
  deliberately provocative. Provocative to those who take
• 1:42:52
  their who too seriously Dylan race and narratively compromised
• 1:42:56
  by being unable to gain rights to push the button solid but
• 1:43:00
  forgettable, I know that's true. They were going to have the
• 1:43:03
  whole sequence where he in the Tardis, where he plays push the
• 1:43:06
  button on the on the jukebox, which is why he says it
• 1:43:08
  throughout the episode makes so much as they give me a big.
• 1:43:15
  Big Orange. Well, that was something.
• 1:43:22
  Not exactly right. Not terribly, but just kind of
• 1:43:28
  the, there are a few clever ideas sprinkled in but overall,
• 1:43:31
  I was that feeling kind of Dylan Reese says.
• 1:43:37
  Powered spaceships, not monsters, bad Direction, cruddy
• 1:43:42
  looking monsters clunky. Exposition all the cliches of
• 1:43:45
  white Doctor Who is shit wrapped up in one episode.
• 1:43:48
  It seemed to be aimed at the undertones but the under 10s
• 1:43:52
  aren't watching. See a bizarre way to launch a
• 1:43:55
  series to a new audience and I don't believe this is an episode
• 1:43:58
  about abortion because if it was RTD wouldn't shut up about it,
• 1:44:02
  he's really leant in to be so angry.
• 1:44:06
  Yeah, he confessed something to me this week and secret, I
• 1:44:12
  actually maybe he's fallen out of a little bit like, in
• 1:44:15
  general, and he prefers wrestling.
• 1:44:18
  Now, in States, I mean, that's not sure.
• 1:44:21
  I'd be Parkinson. A very average opening story and
• 1:44:27
  possibly it's why they decided to open with the double bill, I
• 1:44:31
  think, I think. Yeah, so it looks great, but the
• 1:44:34
  story feels modeled and incomplete.
• 1:44:36
  I like the idea. Of it's not monster mostly
• 1:44:39
  because I'm still 12. Otherwise, it's utterly
• 1:44:41
  forgetful been it. I feel like these were quite
• 1:44:43
  generous, I was expecting worse, but no.
• 1:44:46
  Yeah, people really quite nice. Michael storms, I don't hate it
• 1:44:49
  the way some do, but on the whole, I find it rather dull the
• 1:44:52
  bodily function humor. Feels like a retread of the
• 1:44:54
  slovene, missteps, missteps, Michael.
• 1:44:56
  But I'm sure the kids loved it, the titular space, baby space,
• 1:45:00
  babies Channel. My hero when talking and just
• 1:45:03
  looks wrong. Okay.
• 1:45:05
  When Evans big info dumping at the start is a choice.
• 1:45:08
  That's the main plot. Not really for me.
• 1:45:10
  If I watch out the Schumer I'll spend the day with my niece and
• 1:45:14
  nephews actually usually hate kids in Doctor Who don't I?
• 1:45:18
  What's going on? Oscar Groucho.
• 1:45:20
  Let's see how we make this intellectual.
• 1:45:23
  I masterful. First 10 minutes.
• 1:45:25
  That's the exposition featuring slow exploration of unfamiliar
• 1:45:29
  to raid. While speaking I'm picking our
• 1:45:31
  leads new Dynamic, gold best work of the Season, very homey.
• 1:45:34
  And in delivery alas, it falls apart in the Final Act, although
• 1:45:38
  the final image of the snowbound hardest is striking, Daniel
• 1:45:44
  Knight a silly bit of floor flight, most of RTD Seasons
• 1:45:48
  openers, but locks the heart, and soul of partners in crime.
• 1:45:50
  As a parent, I found talking babies a bit creepy.
• 1:45:53
  That's not a father creepy. That's not monster less.
• 1:45:56
  So James, happy birthday, 20 minutes of padding about how
• 1:45:59
  inconsequential it is to change time, followed by 25 minutes of
• 1:46:03
  the Beast below. I like the Bogeyman.
• 1:46:05
  Idea. But it looked like a man in a
• 1:46:06
  costume. I actually thought that might be
• 1:46:08
  the twists. Made a big thing about hunk, how
• 1:46:11
  uncontrollable the ship was and then it farted off
• 1:46:14
  uncontrollably into space and floppies rather than the agree
• 1:46:21
  with that. Adequate Reese.
• 1:46:24
  When watched as the launcher in new season, it can be
• 1:46:26
  underwhelming. But when in contact with the
• 1:46:28
  Christmas special, it does lamb better.
• 1:46:30
  Most importantly, you remember that, the kids are watching too
• 1:46:33
  and that's no bad thing. Great scars.
• 1:46:36
  Nice doctor Ruby moments, what fun?
• 1:46:38
  This episode is and shows. How doctors who can be?
• 1:46:40
  Yes. Destroyer of worlds, after the
• 1:46:44
  brush and quite the manifesto to be laying out or running through
• 1:46:47
  corridors a meta textuality. I love a story where we get to
• 1:46:51
  wander around a spaceship looking for Clues.
• 1:46:53
  But I struggle to forgive the dodgy airlock scene.
• 1:46:56
  Dave ready? Typical frothy fun, cheeky
• 1:46:59
  series opener? The chemistry with the doctor
• 1:47:06
  Ruby continues to go continue. I really like it.
• 1:47:10
  Gareth Bailey. He only put two commas, his
• 1:47:13
  best, and his worst story of the season.
• 1:47:15
  This was his favorite. It's a sort of due to science
• 1:47:17
  story with a look that is unparalleled.
• 1:47:20
  Come on you try those pulleys to this story holds a place in my
• 1:47:24
  heart as it's the last time, all of my family watched Doctor Who,
• 1:47:27
  oh no, the last time they hated Nathan bought him, this season's
• 1:47:34
  most traditional episode perfect for introducing the show to a
• 1:47:38
  new audience. The baby thing was inevitable
• 1:47:40
  because of how young the two leads to the Aging show runner.
• 1:47:43
  And also because we have our first gay doctor seeing how
• 1:47:47
  fucking weird and unsettling baby.
• 1:47:50
  Let's see. Enjoyable and silly and brightly
• 1:47:54
  colored widely derided by people who hate fun, you remember that
• 1:47:58
  long? All right but I actually really
• 1:48:00
  like this. My God, the so much love babies.
• 1:48:04
  It was silly, but a lot of fun and I thought it was a good sign
• 1:48:07
  for the coming season but unfortunately all went down here
• 1:48:11
  from it went downhill, from here.
• 1:48:13
  Watched us. I was very drunk on first fewer
• 1:48:19
  than I wanted to check. I'm still like it was, it was
• 1:48:22
  pissed. I explained it leak.
• 1:48:25
  Seems Jenkins fucking embarrassing cringy juice, and
• 1:48:30
  stunk nuggets. So, of course, my mother and was
• 1:48:32
  in the room in the room where it's terrible, the campus Patrol
• 1:48:40
  a bit of a misfire a decent episode inventive with good
• 1:48:43
  character moments, but that's a big season 3 launch.
• 1:48:46
  It probably didn't grab people, which is a Shame by
• 1:48:49
  understatement the campus. Patrol.
• 1:48:52
  You can't be called the campus Patrol and so this is a misfire
• 1:48:55
  Jason. We have with Joshua who just
• 1:48:58
  says, I like space baby. I'm sorry that was sort of 73 in
• 1:49:03
  the positive. All right, I'll go.
• 1:49:07
  I'm gonna go in straight off the bat.
• 1:49:09
  I think this does everything to make itself and washable, right?
• 1:49:16
  I think the baby's mouth. Don't move properly.
• 1:49:20
  Never clocked. Just how many times she'll space
• 1:49:25
  babies as well. It's 12 what?
• 1:49:29
  Worst of all and it didn't feel this the first time which is
• 1:49:32
  really good. I did feel just far too old to
• 1:49:35
  be watching this. What's changed in a year?
• 1:49:40
  I don't know. Grow up.
• 1:49:43
  I think I think everyone can agree.
• 1:49:46
  This is a pretty terrible season like as the season opener I
• 1:49:49
  think it would work a lot better to Midway through the series.
• 1:49:54
  I would think inside with the devil's Court.
• 1:49:56
  Yeah, I was gonna start with one of those two.
• 1:49:58
  Yeah, I think the best seen the snow on the spaceship, which was
• 1:50:03
  so good. The first time around sort of,
• 1:50:08
  by the finale. Now I know it's got shit answer.
• 1:50:11
  Normally she can do about that. The burger man looks great.
• 1:50:16
  He looks like he's just walked straight up the set of stranger
• 1:50:18
  things and in, so they like around the baby's can be funny,
• 1:50:23
  they can be annoying. He Levine that baby doesn't
• 1:50:30
  Here. but honey and like saving the burger at the end it It's an
• 1:50:37
  epic scene in a way. But playing on it, the last of
• 1:50:42
  his kind sort of thing. I mean this is as I say the
• 1:50:45
  doctor that spied the Goblin King for the chest, the last
• 1:50:47
  episode and now, he's like being all sympathetic.
• 1:50:50
  He is the last of the time Lords, you know, Luke tells us
• 1:50:53
  that I think it's quite bad. I do think it's quite bad. but,
• 1:51:00
  I did have so much but I've got good memories of it really that
• 1:51:05
  first time. For some reason, the first time
• 1:51:09
  I watched it, none of the fools when in and I've got so fond
• 1:51:13
  memories of that first night of this in the devil's chord and
• 1:51:16
  just gonna have to put it through.
• 1:51:17
  Yeah. Well done.
• 1:51:21
  It's just hanging around all the spacer.
• 1:51:22
  We do all the time, I'd say. Actually the thing that pissed
• 1:51:25
  me off the voice of the rewatch was the amount of space babies.
• 1:51:28
  I thought people, I thought this Baby's, I thought people were
• 1:51:32
  joking when that first was like coming out and watched it again.
• 1:51:35
  It's actually all the time. He's got changed you up every
• 1:51:38
  time space baby, space movies, play drinking game.
• 1:51:41
  I hope those babies end up the same way as the toppling now.
• 1:51:45
  Are really don't think they're gonna be back.
• 1:51:48
  Oh well. Yeah, I mean going off story in
• 1:51:52
  the engine, right? Michael can you can you shed
• 1:51:57
  some sense on this place? Yeah.
• 1:52:00
  First time I watched space babies, I appreciated it maybe
• 1:52:05
  because it landed as part of that double.
• 1:52:06
  But I went straight onto the devil's chord before, it had any
• 1:52:09
  real time to process my feelings and reactions, but I I liked
• 1:52:13
  that with this big Disney plus launched.
• 1:52:15
  And it felt like space babies was the start of the Disney plus
• 1:52:19
  era even though it wasn't in any meaningful sense.
• 1:52:20
  But it felt like that was making the effort and I appreciated,
• 1:52:23
  Russell T Davis coming out and wanting to make this big kind of
• 1:52:26
  slightly trolling statements. Of this is what Doctor Who is
• 1:52:30
  okay? It's not Star Trek.
• 1:52:32
  It's not Star Wars, it's not Marvel.
• 1:52:33
  It does silly weird, crazy stuff.
• 1:52:36
  All right guys, get all bored. We're doing the Beatles next
• 1:52:39
  week, so I thought quite well of it, but really watching it.
• 1:52:44
  I I don't, I'm not angry. I'm not, I'm not angry.
• 1:52:48
  I'm not certainly do. I'm suspicious of where some of
• 1:52:53
  the virtual comes up. I think some of the vitriol.
• 1:52:56
  It strikes me probably comes from the insecurity of Doctor
• 1:52:59
  Who fans about that, you like that Children's Program and so
• 1:53:03
  something that looks demonstrably childish.
• 1:53:05
  So like it's a very serious program.
• 1:53:08
  Actually, actually mom mom before you come in, it's a
• 1:53:12
  serious program, right? They're doing the Beatles next
• 1:53:13
  week. I think maybe that's a bit of
• 1:53:17
  where some of the vitriol comes from.
• 1:53:18
  I just watching it again. At the start, I refer to some of
• 1:53:22
  it feet. Well, Luke, very helpfully told
• 1:53:28
  me what I was trying to say which was that some of it felt
• 1:53:30
  like content and this was one of the episodes.
• 1:53:32
  I felt a bit like content because when you look beyond the
• 1:53:36
  headline stuff that is trying to do in your face stuff, it is yet
• 1:53:41
  again. Doctor Who does an industrial
• 1:53:44
  sci-fi episode. If one of the, if one of the
• 1:53:47
  babies was called Jefferson, it would make complete sense and
• 1:53:50
  that he shouldn't go in the case you should get out of it.
• 1:53:52
  Um, people talking on headsets. Well, they go to another bit of
• 1:53:56
  the space if Doctor Who writers, if you find yourself.
• 1:53:58
  So, sending someone to another bit of the space ship or Bass
• 1:54:02
  talking on a headset, the others going you should be in there.
• 1:54:04
  It's not safe. You need to stop quite serious
• 1:54:08
  stop. Who does industrial sci-fi know,
• 1:54:11
  but it's only a sort of whimsical version of the same,
• 1:54:14
  right? I mean, people complaints about
• 1:54:15
  the well, being a bit like the impossible Platt.
• 1:54:18
  The Satan pit because there's a hole in the floor.
• 1:54:20
  This Feels a lot more like like you know, just Chuck it in the
• 1:54:24
  bin with, you know, below the lake and all the rest of them
• 1:54:27
  42. And oh Doctor Who.
• 1:54:30
  Hey, guys, guys Doctor Who's only doing alien again for the
• 1:54:34
  475th time ever. And not the last time and God if
• 1:54:38
  you read as much dog, too spinoff fiction as I have it
• 1:54:40
  you're probably up to the 2007. Alright, alright, that's not
• 1:54:45
  monster. I like the snot monster, it was
• 1:54:47
  a bit Red Dwarf. I'm not gonna sit here and tell
• 1:54:49
  you, Red Dwarf is good but it's enjoyable, I appreciate that.
• 1:54:54
  And one of the biggest lacking for me is that you mentioned
• 1:54:57
  about boom, Joe that Russell T Davis, that was David statements
• 1:55:02
  about Stephen, moffatt being a father first, and a writer
• 1:55:05
  second. For a story that's all about
• 1:55:07
  babies and in its end, once to make some point about, you know,
• 1:55:10
  caring for children, the rest of it, I fell.
• 1:55:14
  So, a moved, I was filled with, inertia, by all of this.
• 1:55:18
  It doesn't get him at all to say it.
• 1:55:20
  Don't get much all whatever's going on and, you know, I'm as I
• 1:55:24
  mentioned, I'm a dad now. And since I came with that, I am
• 1:55:26
  an absolute sucker for anything about parents, the kids, really
• 1:55:29
  you just, you know, just opens up a huge vulnerability in your
• 1:55:32
  heart that bit, you know, the big bang with the doctor today.
• 1:55:36
  You know? Oh, too much.
• 1:55:41
  Oh yourself together. Sorry.
• 1:55:44
  Um, apology sentiment. This nothing, I felt nothing.
• 1:55:51
  And not in a hateful way. It just did not move me at all.
• 1:55:56
  So most of it was lacking. I think the thing that actually
• 1:55:58
  annoyed me if I'm being on this thing actually, annoyed me
• 1:56:01
  actively. Was that I felt like wanting to
• 1:56:06
  make the statement about Doctor Who not being stolen, not being
• 1:56:08
  Star, Trek not being Battlestar Galactica and being silly is
• 1:56:12
  that all of it that element of it just felt so affected.
• 1:56:15
  It didn't do can be crazy and Doctor Who can be mad and fun,
• 1:56:19
  but this just felt like the equivalent of someone who comes
• 1:56:22
  into the office and wants to show you their mad and crazy
• 1:56:25
  informed by wearing crazy socks and a silly dog.
• 1:56:27
  No, I will not be led and that was the problem and I found it
• 1:56:37
  great for that, for that reason. And maybe maybe it would have
• 1:56:40
  looked better if that emotional heart had been there to it a bit
• 1:56:43
  more, but it did just feel a bit like, oh, you were getting Star
• 1:56:49
  Wars, didn't you, you clicked on this?
• 1:56:50
  And, you know, oh, this is what it's gonna be like, but then
• 1:56:54
  they threw in the devil's course.
• 1:56:55
  It was good, but not every week, but not every week.
• 1:56:57
  No, I'm just even good. Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  I mean it's a choice, right? It's got to be a choice.
• 1:57:09
  Why would you you wouldn't choose to upset people at the
• 1:57:12
  start of the Season, would you? I think we had 73 yards coming
• 1:57:16
  on top of a weird exciting terrifying, engaging stuff.
• 1:57:21
  I remember someone that was people online, genuinely
• 1:57:24
  convincing themselves that they would deliberately putting all
• 1:57:27
  the Bad episodes first, so that they'd end on good episodes and
• 1:57:31
  get to that. So they don't get episodes and
• 1:57:33
  we'll go what a great season like you, I'm not claiming to
• 1:57:36
  have any particular insight into the working of streaming Giants,
• 1:57:39
  but I'm pretty sure Netflix get people to re-edit the first five
• 1:57:42
  minutes of their films. I don't think that's what going
• 1:57:45
  on here. Was it you sent me?
• 1:57:47
  The the Twee I think it was our friend, Mr. Purchase.
• 1:57:51
  It was someone on Twitter going. Yes.
• 1:57:54
  I think he's deliberately given us a ship first series so we can
• 1:58:00
  come along and heroically save the day in the.
• 1:58:02
  Oh, are you mad you talking about?
• 1:58:05
  I have some shit back theories, it was that one about Mrs. Flood
• 1:58:10
  was the like reference in the cancellation.
• 1:58:15
  That was the one. They've not said anything about
• 1:58:20
  season three because Mrs. Flood is roughly, the end of the show.
• 1:58:24
  It's all better. Yeah, it's like it's like they,
• 1:58:27
  you know, they shot these two series back-to-back.
• 1:58:29
  So, the whole all these people online go, oh, well, I bet he's
• 1:58:33
  learned his lessons from last season.
• 1:58:34
  Well, no, because he made them consecutively, so there's no
• 1:58:38
  reason he's listening to you, you know?
• 1:58:41
  Although he does like a lot of weights and Instagram posts, so
• 1:58:45
  he's reading some of them. Daniel, it's all say oh you go
• 1:58:50
  to save the space babies off of them off into the endless
• 1:58:55
  reaches of space. Well, I'm a man of simple.
• 1:58:59
  Tastes I, you know, it's it's, it's crust Doctor, Who it's
• 1:59:05
  pureed Doctor, Who it's childish Doctor Who it's scatological
• 1:59:10
  Doctor, Who and I like that. Um, you know, I like the fact
• 1:59:15
  that they lean into the bogeys and the bum jokes and the farts
• 1:59:20
  and the nanny, swearing filter and the nappies and the nose
• 1:59:23
  blowing. You know it's it's got that same
• 1:59:27
  sort of naughty knock about Spirit as this Latina episodes
• 1:59:30
  in RTD one new Earth, the added pose episode time in the Roni
• 1:59:35
  power of crow, the chase, all those silly Doctor Who has the
• 1:59:39
  stars please I can't anymore. You know, all those, those
• 1:59:42
  images of those silly images of the babies with the
• 1:59:45
  flamethrower, the creepy lip syncing that has that on canny
• 1:59:49
  Valley effect, which makes them creepier than the bogeyman
• 1:59:52
  downstairs, baby. Eric a word for baby?
• 1:59:55
  Eric. Yeah, I I referenced him quite
• 1:59:58
  obliquely when I did the commentary of Joe.
• 2:00:01
  But yeah, he really does look like Ian Levine and he's got
• 2:00:04
  that sort of frowny perplexed. Look on his face.
• 2:00:06
  And, you know, I, I just love that.
• 2:00:08
  I think I have his quote here. Yes, it made him angry and he
• 2:00:13
  sort of described it as nappy shit.
• 2:00:15
  And I think there is that, that rock that line, the doctor has
• 2:00:19
  of. Well if I were very small on the
• 2:00:20
  bogeyman was around, I'd have to change my nappy.
• 2:00:23
  So the fact that the doctor actually says, I'd have to
• 2:00:25
  change my nappy. You know, has incense the whole
• 2:00:28
  generation of older Doctor Who fans.
• 2:00:31
  Yeah. And it's it's, you know, I I
• 2:00:35
  like that they kind of pissed away all that Disney money on
• 2:00:40
  that sort of that, Their Exposition, heavy 10 minutes at
• 2:00:43
  the beginning where they literally go to the prehistoric
• 2:00:45
  top, the Jurassic period of the dinosaurs and they do that whole
• 2:00:48
  labored gag of Ruby, you know, made up with all this lizard
• 2:00:52
  Woman makeup and you know she suddenly becomes all Posh you
• 2:00:56
  know I am Rubicon of the hemispheres of whatever you know
• 2:00:59
  and then you know she has that little Disney moment of the
• 2:01:03
  butterfly and gives that grin at the camera.
• 2:01:05
  Yeah it's a very Antiquated way of opening Doctor Who but I
• 2:01:09
  think on its own terms it works it's I'm far more interested in
• 2:01:14
  the sort of the Clunkers of Doctor Who the dads of Doctor
• 2:01:17
  Who the sick puppies of Doctor Who then the critical Darlings.
• 2:01:22
  Because there's so much more fun to talk about.
• 2:01:23
  I like that. You know it's it's the sort of
• 2:01:28
  nice moments like shooting cuddles, Captain poppy because
• 2:01:31
  she's never had a hug before and he the way he kind of plays this
• 2:01:37
  sort of this black and white morality of the Dr. Will risk
• 2:01:42
  his life for the snot monster because, you know, yes it's a
• 2:01:46
  it's a baby eating mindless creature but he will save it
• 2:01:49
  anyway because he's the doctor and that's just what he does.
• 2:01:52
  And it reminds you of kind of being a kid again of sort of the
• 2:01:57
  when shooting takes his jacket off at the very beginning, it
• 2:02:00
  makes him look a lot younger. He and Millie are the literal
• 2:02:03
  space babies and we just sort of watch them run out the same
• 2:02:06
  three run up and down the same three corridors you know just
• 2:02:09
  from different angles and it's just that sort of that that
• 2:02:13
  thing of they created the bogeyman so that the kids would
• 2:02:18
  have a story to be scared of and, and kids, watch Doctor Who
• 2:02:22
  to be to be scared and also to feel like a child again.
• 2:02:26
  So I think there is a lot of that spirit in this episode,
• 2:02:29
  which is what I like about it. And, um, and I do think that
• 2:02:34
  the, it's not just Bonkers for the sake of being Bonkers.
• 2:02:37
  I think the tone is earnest here.
• 2:02:39
  I think it commits it commits to doing the leg work of making you
• 2:02:44
  care about the babies, like, Eric like, Captain, Poppy and
• 2:02:48
  their situation. And it's and so there is some
• 2:02:51
  sort of thought and care. That's put into this this world
• 2:02:54
  building of how the ship works the baby pulling the strings, I
• 2:02:59
  pulled this string and I don't know what it does, but it I do
• 2:03:02
  it all the time and it works really well.
• 2:03:03
  You know, the nanny, The Nanny, swearing filter and I think
• 2:03:08
  nanny is, is a, is a sort of little gag that Russell gave his
• 2:03:12
  in, the writers tale. Once said, he went to the cinema
• 2:03:15
  to watch in order. The The Dark Knight Iron Man and
• 2:03:19
  Wally, and the fact that that is also the film about kind of
• 2:03:23
  giant overgrown babies on a space station with an AI sort
• 2:03:27
  of, you know, philza. I think there's a little bit of
• 2:03:30
  that in there. So yeah, it snappy it's Pacey
• 2:03:34
  and well I'm not on a personal note.
• 2:03:40
  On today is the was the um, the day.
• 2:03:43
  My contract ended with a 8-month sort of job.
• 2:03:47
  I had where I was at a school teaching babies English.
• 2:03:51
  And they were aged one to two, three, and all the way to seven.
• 2:03:57
  And let me tell you, I had a much better time with Eric and
• 2:04:01
  Millie and with those fucking babies trying to teach them
• 2:04:07
  English. All right, put it through its
• 2:04:12
  better than teaching by babies babies.
• 2:04:16
  For all the, the controverses of Wanga.
• 2:04:19
  So we got three for three so far, so Ivey to me.
• 2:04:24
  I really want to be legendary Cinema.
• 2:04:29
  I feel like we've done too many big hitters in the first few.
• 2:04:33
  So, I'm gonna go with the church over Road.
• 2:04:35
  Let's get this done right? Oh, That's three reasons why I
• 2:04:41
  bet it. Won.
• 2:04:43
  The direct is bad. He got loads of weird close-ups
• 2:04:49
  loads of him. Well, I was all close-ups.
• 2:04:51
  It's always the face you're missing out on things around
• 2:04:54
  them. Really bizarre choice.
• 2:04:57
  I hate being in Ruby's house. It doesn't doesn't feel real.
• 2:05:01
  You're in the for over 40 minutes.
• 2:05:04
  It's boring in there. It reminds me being at my
• 2:05:07
  granddad's except bigger your granddad's.
• 2:05:12
  Sometimes. Yeah.
• 2:05:13
  Usually because I went on a Saturday afternoon time would be
• 2:05:16
  Tikki down for good Doctor Who and clearly what is meant to be
• 2:05:26
  in. This episode is timing's and
• 2:05:28
  locations around the church that we can see live off and sort of
• 2:05:32
  used to work out the puzzle through the series that just
• 2:05:35
  aren't the, including the information wrote side.
• 2:05:38
  I mean, that really has to be in here.
• 2:05:42
  But I mean, even the timing is odd, you know, the doctor
• 2:05:45
  Love's, she's Ruby's mom. Then once the church then goes
• 2:05:51
  to the top destroys, the spaceship saves, the baby puts
• 2:05:55
  it back down, rings, the bell comes back and she still walking
• 2:05:59
  away and that's when she turns around and looks, She's missed
• 2:06:02
  it. All.
• 2:06:02
  She just says, rather looked that was upset.
• 2:06:05
  He was thinking about leaving a baby supposed to be a bit loud,
• 2:06:11
  even Stone chest fans of this season have suggested the
• 2:06:16
  direction of her finger pointing may have been a little bit over
• 2:06:19
  the top. yeah, this there's it I mean to give it this it feels a
• 2:06:25
  little bit different because it is quite Weirdly there's lots of
• 2:06:31
  close-ups but it's weirdly Spacey and like, like, oh yeah,
• 2:06:34
  we've just got the time to sort of sit here and not doing much.
• 2:06:39
  It's a weird weird episode, like leading into the second floor,
• 2:06:44
  the right? The story is bad.
• 2:06:47
  So the Goblins cause bad luck to Ruby.
• 2:06:50
  For something, something coincidence.
• 2:06:52
  Then she gets a baby on Christmas Eve, which is a
• 2:06:55
  coincidence, which means they can eat it.
• 2:06:58
  So the goblin to eat it, which requires a rich ritual, and a
• 2:07:02
  song before eating it, and that one baby is gonna feed all them.
• 2:07:06
  Got their feeding it to the Goblin King then, at least.
• 2:07:12
  Yeah. The for three days.
• 2:07:14
  Yeah, then they watched the doctor movie, just steal the
• 2:07:17
  baby and sing and then we go back to the flat for 15 minutes
• 2:07:20
  and nothing happens. And then the doctor says he's a
• 2:07:23
  Foundland, which is a coincidence that erases really
• 2:07:26
  from time I mean like what did Michael say it doesn't do
• 2:07:31
  plotting. This is this is something else.
• 2:07:35
  I don't think Artie Dee's plotting or stories ever been as
• 2:07:39
  part of it is here. Finally Assad.
• 2:07:44
  I think I like Artie day. I feel like I've already been
• 2:07:46
  because of this but I love this stuff.
• 2:07:48
  Then the doctor Impalas to ship on the church kills everyone.
• 2:07:53
  But somehow, he just knows that. He'll just missed the baby,
• 2:07:55
  which he then catches and as I got all them time, it's not.
• 2:07:59
  The thing is, it's not even fantasy logic.
• 2:08:01
  It's just no logic. I don't understand.
• 2:08:04
  How it is. It's what you mean.
• 2:08:08
  Okay. But logic informs the plot,
• 2:08:13
  right? So, yeah, fair enough.
• 2:08:14
  You cannot care about the plot. Sometimes evil, the stuff is
• 2:08:18
  good. Just ship.
• 2:08:21
  Oh, that this is where the content comes in.
• 2:08:24
  Those, is it? Oh, there's the fancy Goblin.
• 2:08:28
  Shitt. I don't know the songs, right?
• 2:08:34
  And final Point Davina, McCall should have died.
• 2:08:36
  I like the Venus. I put the whole, the whole, the
• 2:08:39
  whole Davina thing is odd. Anyway, the only good bit about
• 2:08:43
  it is it's quite funny and a bit of threat that she dies.
• 2:08:46
  Just saving it, at the end just really pisses me off.
• 2:08:50
  Okay, let's do it saying, I love to Vina is about eight years of
• 2:08:58
  the two. The Cupertino gag with cherry is
• 2:09:02
  good. The doctor dancing, in the bar
• 2:09:04
  is great, and that feels quite new fresh.
• 2:09:06
  I absolutely loved the singer but I leave that to Joe for to
• 2:09:11
  sing. But yeah, been I just, I really
• 2:09:15
  don't think this is very good at all.
• 2:09:18
  It where the tree comes down on the phone.
• 2:09:20
  Number call, I'm not looking you.
• 2:09:21
  Mark. Doesn't laugh harder any other
• 2:09:23
  bit? He loves that so much.
• 2:09:27
  Um, we've only got one comment for the Joy on.
• 2:09:30
  No, he's called it. The Joy on Ruby, right?
• 2:09:32
  Thank you. Trying to be clever because I
• 2:09:36
  did actually asked for any comments on this one.
• 2:09:38
  So we can't really just one quickly.
• 2:09:39
  The Joy on Ruby Road. How do we get the young audience
• 2:09:43
  as we get the young adult audience on board?
• 2:09:46
  A Gremlins parody, without any of the magic or Terror of
• 2:09:50
  Gremlins and Davina fucking McCall.
• 2:09:52
  Also, why launched four months before the rest of the series?
• 2:09:56
  Spencer's far too much time in that flat suit so I don't think
• 2:10:00
  he likes it. It's not Gremlins listeners.
• 2:10:03
  When you try harder next time? Can we stop?
• 2:10:05
  Comparing doctor episodes the things.
• 2:10:06
  They're not like, although hamster that was all about the
• 2:10:10
  devil's chord later, and I'm gonna say, it's like waiting for
• 2:10:11
  godo. Are you?
• 2:10:13
  Wow, no, I'm not, of course, I'm not you check.
• 2:10:19
  Uh, we'll go Michael. Um, yeah.
• 2:10:26
  I'm I'm not a fan of this either.
• 2:10:29
  I agree with all of your points, Luke, I think that are there are
• 2:10:32
  individually moments that. I really like, I like the goblin
• 2:10:36
  chip. I like the Goblins, I like the
• 2:10:38
  dark, the dark fantasy vibe. One of the reasons that I'm a
• 2:10:41
  defender of the return of docs Mysterio is because it reminds
• 2:10:45
  me of a lot of taste. Yeah.
• 2:10:48
  And also because it reminds me of a lot of the films that you
• 2:10:52
  used to be on a rank Christmas at that time and that dark
• 2:10:55
  fantasy vibe. It's, you know, it's a bit
• 2:10:56
  Labyrinth, right? It's a bit, The Dark Crystal
• 2:10:59
  know. I, I like that, but as you
• 2:11:02
  rightly said in between all those bits, there's just so much
• 2:11:05
  space. That is so boring.
• 2:11:07
  We spent so much time in that flat, another watching this on
• 2:11:10
  Christmas Day. When I've been around me in
• 2:11:12
  laws, which was lovely, but I just spent a whole day sat
• 2:11:16
  around my family. Oh, Doctor, Who I'm sat around
• 2:11:20
  watching Doctor, Who in Los Angeles?
• 2:11:22
  Sure. Powerful yellow.
• 2:11:26
  It isn't it? No, no, no, no.
• 2:11:31
  It's not exactly. As the one in the church on Ruby
• 2:11:33
  Road. No other.
• 2:11:35
  I feel, although it has to go on the long list of films and TV
• 2:11:39
  saying that people's London flats are shit.
• 2:11:41
  And then, the huge seen the size of that kitchen, honestly.
• 2:11:45
  Other than Jackie Tyler. Yeah, yes.
• 2:11:48
  How have we got worse at this? In 20 years?
• 2:11:51
  The Coincidence thing. It's hot.
• 2:11:56
  The bad luck thing. Does not work.
• 2:11:59
  It's just not it's just this is what I mean about.
• 2:12:01
  Some of the ideas not being well articulated.
• 2:12:04
  Now it's a good idea, but so much of Russell T Davis's plots
• 2:12:08
  rely on coincidence. Anyway, that if you just
• 2:12:10
  suddenly go, oh, and this one's about bad luck and you go.
• 2:12:13
  Yeah, but this is the sort of thing that happens and it does
• 2:12:15
  get a bit. It does get a bit desperate.
• 2:12:17
  Yeah, Will should be getting terrorized but really aliens
• 2:12:23
  again. Where were they Donna Noble?
• 2:12:26
  When time kept pulling us back together, you know, all the rest
• 2:12:29
  of it, I think the key point to get all the bad luck.
• 2:12:33
  Oh look. It's a coin on the floor.
• 2:12:34
  And I like money, anyone who's watched last month, which is a
• 2:12:38
  bit James acaster saying, my eyes are around the song.
• 2:12:43
  I like I like when the song since your Doctor Who but I
• 2:12:46
  think if the last year of Doctor Who was taught us anything, it's
• 2:12:49
  that neither Russell T, day Davis norbury, A dreadful
• 2:12:59
  honestly I think that bit where Ruby starts singing and she's
• 2:13:04
  meant to be like, oh, I don't know what to do.
• 2:13:06
  So I'm just gonna make it up a bit here and then she's meant to
• 2:13:09
  get more confident. I challenge you to find the
• 2:13:11
  moment where she's meant to get more lyrically, confident,
• 2:13:13
  because it's equally as awkward, the whole way through the
• 2:13:16
  Goblins, you can go to hell because you it's good to reach
• 2:13:25
  you. It's good to say.
• 2:13:26
  How do you Have more fun in your life.
• 2:13:32
  See just Told you to not before you came
• 2:13:47
  in. And finally I think simply ties
• 2:13:54
  the bad luck thing. I I was bored a long time ago.
• 2:13:58
  If Russell T, Davis telling us companions are special and he's
• 2:14:02
  back and he's doing it again. It's just show me.
• 2:14:06
  She's special, tell me. I believe you that Ruby.
• 2:14:08
  Sunday's gonna be here is going to prove to be special, but
• 2:14:10
  there's just so much about all, it's all drawing us together.
• 2:14:12
  Oh, what's going on with all this?
• 2:14:14
  Then he was the most important woman in the whole wide
• 2:14:17
  universe, Michael? Oh, it's just Uh, yeah, it's
• 2:14:25
  it's, it's going in the bin. It's just, it's just so empty,
• 2:14:29
  its content. Right, he's right.
• 2:14:33
  Daniel. Yeah, I like this one.
• 2:14:37
  It's um, it's I mean, I will agree with you with the flat
• 2:14:42
  thing is they spend way too much time.
• 2:14:44
  They have this whole sequence, apparently, that they were gonna
• 2:14:47
  the Goblin King was gonna chase them down into the flat, which
• 2:14:50
  is why they have that very long Corridor that they run up and
• 2:14:52
  down all the time. And, you know, you think about
• 2:14:56
  an episode, like, the Christmas Invasion where there is a lot of
• 2:14:59
  time spent in the tires flat. But you have that parallel story
• 2:15:02
  going on with Harriet, Jones and unit and so you can focus on
• 2:15:06
  other characters while David Turner's talked up in bed.
• 2:15:09
  But and also, I would agree. Another, another thing that I
• 2:15:13
  find is he's pretty terrible. Is that thing, I think they
• 2:15:16
  Disney requested Russell to Davies at that scene in when
• 2:15:21
  Ruby and her friends, leave the nightclub and there's that whole
• 2:15:24
  thing with the Snowman, those streets are so empty.
• 2:15:27
  I don't know what time it is at night but it can't be possibly
• 2:15:29
  be like, you know, 2:00 in the morning, you know, apart from
• 2:15:33
  that woman, getting her shopping.
• 2:15:37
  It's no sense at all. But yeah, no I mean I think this
• 2:15:42
  is a great I mean because shooty didn't really have a proper
• 2:15:46
  intro in the giggle. I mean he was he had to share
• 2:15:50
  the screen with David Tennant. So this is his first proper
• 2:15:53
  episode as the doctor and you know, he literally hits the
• 2:15:57
  ground running I mean in that first shot, he runs out the
• 2:16:00
  Tardis so he gets to play with so many different sides of the
• 2:16:05
  doctor. They're his his joy and his all
• 2:16:07
  when they're on the goblin ship, you know, the kind of exit
• 2:16:12
  position he's seen. He has with Millie when they're
• 2:16:14
  tied up and he puts all his own spin on his own Rhythm.
• 2:16:19
  His own Cadence is only enthusiasm on how all the info
• 2:16:23
  about how the Goblins work and and how coincidence works.
• 2:16:26
  And that thing with the cavity gloves, which is literally just
• 2:16:29
  a pair of black gloves with orange painted on the but, you
• 2:16:32
  know, and it's and, you know, he, I love the The fact that he
• 2:16:37
  kind of gets quite testy with her.
• 2:16:39
  When you know he gets fascinated by the way the goblin ship works
• 2:16:43
  with robes and she says, well come and help me then he's like
• 2:16:45
  I am learning at the vocabulary of rope.
• 2:16:50
  And and we mentioned the song, I mean that song is is for me the
• 2:16:57
  moment where personally shooting became the doctor.
• 2:17:00
  He has that moment where he, you know, he takes over the song
• 2:17:04
  uses it against them while he's looking for an exit while he's
• 2:17:07
  looking to get out of the ship and escape with with Ruby, which
• 2:17:10
  is a very Doctrine thing to do and you know, he goes, you know,
• 2:17:14
  me and rules. We got just one hope if I have
• 2:17:17
  understood that rope and he looks up at the robes like I
• 2:17:20
  know where the exit is kind of wags his finger.
• 2:17:26
  Look. Um and you know, they have that
• 2:17:30
  lovely scene of where Ruby first sees him in the nightclub
• 2:17:33
  dancing, and which is kind of, I think there's a bit of
• 2:17:37
  Personality Davies baggage in there because he says, about his
• 2:17:42
  late husband, Andrew, he further they first met in a nightclub,
• 2:17:45
  in Manchester in sort of the late 90s.
• 2:17:48
  And, you know, he was asked a question once it, if you could
• 2:17:52
  take the Tardis anywhere, where would you go?
• 2:17:53
  He's, I'd like to take the Tardis back and be a bystander
• 2:17:56
  of how, I, how, where I met my, my husband Andrew.
• 2:17:59
  And, you know, so I like that and I love the song and also
• 2:18:06
  like the fact that yeah. Towards the end you think they
• 2:18:09
  get out of it and then it turns really quite dark and sort of
• 2:18:13
  almost like It's a Wonderful Life where she had that then act
• 2:18:18
  against a Michelle Greenwich. I think is a name who plays
• 2:18:21
  Carla because Ruby suddenly removed from the story and she,
• 2:18:25
  you know, the fact that she she so joyful as Ruby's mom.
• 2:18:29
  And then her the fact that she kind of her whole expression
• 2:18:33
  sags into sort of flat cynicism and, and he cries and, and then
• 2:18:39
  there's the sort of them He then has to do a kind of Moffitt
• 2:18:44
  thing of go back in time. And, you know, again, yeah,
• 2:18:47
  literally impale the Goblin King on the church spire and of
• 2:18:51
  course, because it's a It's Like It's a Wonderful Life.
• 2:18:54
  You get to the end where it's kind of like, oh thank God,
• 2:18:57
  everything's okay, which they have in a lot of Frank, Capra
• 2:19:00
  movies of that time where, you know, there's a goes very, very
• 2:19:03
  dark and then oh brightness comes back at the end.
• 2:19:06
  I would agree about the direction to it is Mark Tundra
• 2:19:10
  who did the ghost monument and Rosa and they do have those very
• 2:19:14
  Camp kind of Crash zooms towards the end as Ruby realizes.
• 2:19:17
  Oh wait he can travel in time and zoom in zoom in to all the
• 2:19:21
  actors faces. I was watching this with my
• 2:19:23
  family and this is the sort of the the watching Doctor, Who
• 2:19:27
  with your family embarrassment there, where my sister was
• 2:19:30
  watching or the First on broadcast, and she kind of leans
• 2:19:33
  over to me and she's like, who wrote this and I'm like Russell
• 2:19:37
  TVs and she's like, really She did we, she did, she did come
• 2:19:43
  back after that and just just the kind of the, the I like this
• 2:19:50
  introduction of If shooty as the doctor where he's kind of the
• 2:19:54
  grinning impish, you know, dancing Joker.
• 2:19:57
  That's the, that's the kind of the the doctor side of shooting
• 2:20:00
  that I really like. And, and the fact that it all
• 2:20:04
  builds up to that final line, where Ruby walks around the
• 2:20:07
  Tardis. Just like all the companions,
• 2:20:09
  have she goes inside and he's standing far off in the
• 2:20:12
  background and she says, who are you?
• 2:20:14
  And and he says, I'm the doctor and it ends on that, which is a
• 2:20:18
  very sort of, you know, proper doctor introduction, closing
• 2:20:22
  line, which of course, then they have to ruin with a sort of
• 2:20:25
  Marvel, post credit scene of, you know, her from EastEnders
• 2:20:28
  leaning into the camera and Guy. Never seen a tardis.
• 2:20:31
  I never liked Mrs, flood. I just I never understood what
• 2:20:38
  people invested in this. You might be this week though.
• 2:20:42
  Well, yeah, this is the weekend, yeah, isn't it?
• 2:20:46
  Uh, yeah. And finally just a quick word
• 2:20:49
  for Millie. Who is she?
• 2:20:51
  She does, she does a lot of reacting in the first two
• 2:20:54
  episodes with shooty so that and space babies, where she kind of
• 2:20:58
  pulling all those funny faces and but she does have that
• 2:21:01
  moment where she's on the phone to Davina and Davina says, well
• 2:21:04
  yeah we couldn't find your mum and she she has to stay alive
• 2:21:07
  but you can just see the despair as she's trying not to cry over
• 2:21:10
  the phone and and I think a lot of her camaraderie with shooting
• 2:21:15
  is come seems to be quite Coming from the Frat that they're just
• 2:21:19
  working together. Rather from the script, I think,
• 2:21:21
  the fact that they're so they're clicking together as she enjoys
• 2:21:24
  working with him on this, so yeah.
• 2:21:30
  That's one. One, Joe.
• 2:21:33
  You've got all the power so shall we Rose frightening, isn't
• 2:21:37
  it? Um, I think it does go off a
• 2:21:40
  cliff at the end, I can cause I went and saw this at the BFI at
• 2:21:44
  the premiere, shooter Cat wall was just over there.
• 2:21:46
  Mini Gibson, was just over there.
• 2:21:47
  Rusty Davis, was just over there, I don't mean to name
• 2:21:50
  drop. I had a tardis shape popcorn nut
• 2:21:53
  thing on my on my seat. It was the best night of my
• 2:21:56
  life. You have the only people walking
• 2:21:59
  around that place actually, on a side note, the only people
• 2:22:01
  walking around that place sort of story and arrogant.
• 2:22:04
  Yeah, well Doctor Who fans that were podcasting at the time that
• 2:22:08
  was it, you know, you are. What else was just be able to
• 2:22:13
  like a normal person? They were like, do you know who
• 2:22:15
  I am? Anyway, sorry, I do.
• 2:22:18
  I think there's so many fixes that could make this better.
• 2:22:21
  Like, they should have found the money and they should have had
• 2:22:24
  the Goblin King in the flat again of it.
• 2:22:26
  And it would have been a great sequence of him coming.
• 2:22:29
  Along that Corridor. Yeah, it would have been
• 2:22:31
  wonderful. I think they shouldn't have
• 2:22:34
  bowed down to Disney and the first scene with the doctor
• 2:22:36
  should have been him running along the roofs.
• 2:22:39
  Because that's a brilliant introduction to his doctor in
• 2:22:41
  the story and to give Ruby that's all first 15 minutes
• 2:22:44
  would have been great. But yeah, cause you guys are so
• 2:22:48
  boring. Why don't you like this?
• 2:22:50
  Oh okay. I'll tell you, it's not.
• 2:22:53
  I think actually is you let me speak, please.
• 2:22:55
  I think he's learning the vocabulary podcast knew he was
• 2:23:02
  onto a winner with the opening of damaged goods and a child
• 2:23:07
  being taken away and and given away at the start of a story and
• 2:23:12
  that opening is really arresting at the church who cares where it
• 2:23:16
  ends up? It was no, you stopped.
• 2:23:20
  And I would say, but on a purely, professional level, I
• 2:23:24
  think Carol of the Bells is one of the best songs ever written.
• 2:23:26
  So every time it comes into this season, It's haunting and it's
• 2:23:30
  good. It's a reason.
• 2:23:32
  Everyone did actually get a bit invested in it.
• 2:23:35
  Yes, it's great. That's why would you like to
• 2:23:38
  even more? If there'd been someone
• 2:23:39
  annoyingly laying out, the plot at the same time.
• 2:23:41
  Why is the baby there? It's a mystery.
• 2:23:45
  Maybe the doctor who gets out and they're being a 15-minute
• 2:23:51
  Exposition in the middle. Yeah, that was perfect.
• 2:23:54
  You bitch, the song is great. The whole aesthetic of the
• 2:23:59
  goblin ship is fantastic. The whole sequence.
• 2:24:02
  Looks amazing to go. That's where I mean, it flying
• 2:24:05
  through space. It's a Wonderful special effects
• 2:24:07
  see when they're on the ladder, going up to it.
• 2:24:09
  That's got scale is epic, but there's another 45 minutes.
• 2:24:16
  It's in a fly, there's about 20 minutes and you come back to it
• 2:24:20
  and bring that bloody thing, crashing down and the spear
• 2:24:24
  going through the Goblin King, at the end of the episode as
• 2:24:26
  well, which is very exciting and the church going through the
• 2:24:29
  Goblin King. Wonderful, it isn't the best
• 2:24:34
  Christmas special of all time. It certainly isn't the worst.
• 2:24:37
  I think the doctor the winner and the water.
• 2:24:38
  It's special. Now it's not.
• 2:24:43
  Have you seen Joyce of the world?
• 2:24:44
  Yeah. Like like it Joy just to annoy
• 2:24:47
  the pair of you. I would love to put this one
• 2:24:49
  first. I'm watching this.
• 2:24:51
  Oh, I couldn't even know this the direction of issues.
• 2:24:54
  So I'm off this was well executed.
• 2:24:57
  Kill, right? That's for four.
• 2:25:02
  That's four. Four.
• 2:25:03
  I will have in. Let's do the second round of
• 2:25:09
  overview. Comment.
• 2:25:11
  Oh, you ready? He pays more ready me, go, go
• 2:25:17
  for it. It's Steven Rhodes.
• 2:25:18
  That that's how he introduces himself.
• 2:25:20
  That's not me it. So it's, it's Steven Rhodes a
• 2:25:25
  little disappointed but that's just me.
• 2:25:26
  I wanted to see the series full of that dream.
• 2:25:28
  Like surreal tone, the giggle had, which the devil's called
• 2:25:31
  picked up and ran with But that was it really 73 yards was
• 2:25:35
  wonderful but no doctor. It felt like we didn't see
• 2:25:38
  enough of him and he's fantastic.
• 2:25:42
  Revolting growth says such conflicted thoughts and feelings
• 2:25:47
  about this season. Ultimately, I don't think shoot
• 2:25:50
  is portrayal works for me as good as he is.
• 2:25:52
  He's the first one who doesn't feel like the same character.
• 2:25:57
  Andrew Blair, on the one hand, I just straightforwardly enjoyed
• 2:26:01
  five out of eight episodes. On the other hand, I thought it
• 2:26:04
  ended really badly and it lacks the character work I'd expect
• 2:26:07
  from RTD Dan pin for the first for the most part, I enjoyed
• 2:26:13
  watching series one, but it's left me with little enthusiasm
• 2:26:16
  for the next series. It's like a hyperactive toddler,
• 2:26:19
  that's had too much sugar. Bads of energy to begin with,
• 2:26:21
  but then he crashes and you find it asleep in a corner on a heap
• 2:26:25
  of Lego. Weaving experience their Gavin
• 2:26:31
  one word like Madonna disappointing.
• 2:26:34
  Boom was good. Hello moth and 73.
• 2:26:36
  Odds was Fab showing Millions the better actor with the
• 2:26:38
  regulars, rest of the wrong wasn't terrible.
• 2:26:41
  Just mere the finale was a real letter and crying.
• 2:26:44
  Every week isn't a character trait, He hates the crying.
• 2:26:48
  He does. I can confirm.
• 2:26:49
  He really just like the crime. David Gillespie Pratt.
• 2:26:53
  It's a bit of a mess. Some bold, new ideas and some
• 2:26:57
  that just don't work. Not having your exciting new
• 2:27:00
  lead actor. For almost a quarter of the
• 2:27:02
  episodes is a courageous move shooty and Millie are fantastic,
• 2:27:06
  but we needed more time with them to buy into that
• 2:27:08
  friendship. Michael storm, on a whole, a bit
• 2:27:14
  of a mess. There are some good ideas in the
• 2:27:16
  mix, but a lot of them fail to achieve their potential possibly
• 2:27:19
  due to the season feeling fleeting.
• 2:27:23
  Edward cook Reese, what a breath of fresh air this season.
• 2:27:26
  Is not quite the complete reboot as advertised but a good start
• 2:27:29
  for new viewers. Big Orange Michael.
• 2:27:33
  I refuse to acknowledge the religious to see any other
• 2:27:39
  Michaels RTD is back, which is great.
• 2:27:43
  And not so great. The great is we get a cracking
• 2:27:46
  script from Moffitt and some and some excitement that suitcase
• 2:27:50
  back the not. So great is the intervening
• 2:27:52
  decade shows RTD still doesn't quite know how to stick the
• 2:27:56
  landing effectively. That was great as the new doctor
• 2:27:59
  alas. The ark, teasing Ruby's origin,
• 2:28:02
  turns out to be, not what I'd hoped for and a lot of things.
• 2:28:04
  This is flood a tease but left unresolved, I want to love this
• 2:28:08
  season more than I do. Better, ignore the next comment.
• 2:28:12
  Yes, next one comment is, is me. So I'll just skip over that the
• 2:28:17
  campiness patrol people focus on the underworld and end of the
• 2:28:21
  season that run from Devil's core to Rogue is one of the most
• 2:28:24
  diverse experimental runs of stories since probably, the 60s,
• 2:28:29
  Doom and Gloom talk as clouded people's judgment.
• 2:28:32
  They say as need to get a grip. I'm always in the seasons, a
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  whole was adequate. Thank you, Michael rendering
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  this whole end of a pointless. The round two of round.
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  What did we start with? Okay.
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  Yeah. Champion or condemn, what you go
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  for. I am going to.
• 2:29:05
  Champion. The devil's called and when
• 2:29:09
  re-watching it I had to make a decision.
• 2:29:11
  Do I watch this as a doctor who fan or do I watch this as a
• 2:29:15
  Beatles fan if I'd watched as a Beatles fan?
• 2:29:18
  You'd not be having a very good review for me because it doesn't
• 2:29:21
  really have anything to say about the Beatles other than
• 2:29:23
  they were good at music. It's a very, very there was just
• 2:29:29
  get out of the way. Some very strange decisions
• 2:29:31
  aren't using how to promote this.
• 2:29:32
  I think the fact that they don't look like the Beatles is fine
• 2:29:35
  given how much screens on me actually gets, but why you then
• 2:29:38
  choose to do a dwm front? Cover that entirely depends on
• 2:29:41
  the look at me. If you want a doctor who Beatles
• 2:29:46
  Story go, and listen to Fanfare for the Common Man from Big
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  finish. That's very good, right music as
• 2:29:52
  well. Michael.
• 2:29:52
  Oh brilliant. Oh, come on to that.
• 2:29:57
  But happily I was asked a couple of Doctor Who podcast this, not
• 2:30:01
  a Beatles one. And there's almost as many as
• 2:30:03
  both. So I really like them.
• 2:30:06
  I really like it. First of all Maestro.
• 2:30:08
  Oh what a, what a brilliant villain.
• 2:30:12
  How great did you want to just amazing the presence?
• 2:30:17
  It feels like we're one of the great things things I like about
• 2:30:20
  RTD2 is for all the people have said, A lot of it feels familiar
• 2:30:24
  from his first time around. I do think there's things were
• 2:30:27
  for good or bad good and Ill, he is willing to do things that at
• 2:30:32
  the time he didn't feel he could do because of the television
• 2:30:34
  landscape at the time. So Rose is actually for that.
• 2:30:37
  We just had to go at church on Ruby Rose being set in the flat.
• 2:30:40
  Rose is very domestic. I think it does the Domesticity
• 2:30:43
  better but he was writing for a time.
• 2:30:44
  When we didn't have much sci-fi and fantasy certainly mainstream
• 2:30:48
  on TV at all. Now we do, there's bloody tons
• 2:30:51
  of it and you really have to stand out that thing of the
• 2:30:54
  criticism were made of space babies of it.
• 2:30:56
  Being the guy in the crazy. And I wanted some more full,
• 2:30:59
  body weirdness and some more full-body campus and much, more,
• 2:31:04
  actually substantive, this is what makes Doctor Who different
• 2:31:08
  I think Maestro is that brilliantly?
• 2:31:10
  I think a performance is brilliant Menace.
• 2:31:13
  Seeing absolutely holds the screen the whole time.
• 2:31:18
  She's there. It's just it's just brilliant.
• 2:31:21
  I love it. A fantastic.
• 2:31:22
  It's over. The top is in the best possible
• 2:31:25
  way. the, the sort of Freeing nature of that performance as
• 2:31:33
  well. How you know, how do you capture
• 2:31:35
  being a gold? And there's many different ways
• 2:31:36
  you can do it and it's not always just talking to the
• 2:31:39
  camera. I think the fact that such
• 2:31:43
  Charisma and domination of the scene is fantastic.
• 2:31:47
  I think that could have been An underwhelming character with
• 2:31:52
  someone who's less welcome because I think there could have
• 2:31:54
  been a lot asked of you to deliver in that.
• 2:31:56
  And I think, I think it works really, really well.
• 2:31:59
  I think the historical setting is gorgeous.
• 2:32:02
  I think it. So it's you know, slightly
• 2:32:07
  stylized version. 96 is Abbey Road.
• 2:32:09
  Well, very stylized version. I think it works well.
• 2:32:12
  I like the, the premise of the joke that we've lost music and
• 2:32:17
  the way they show that isn't just not have music but to have
• 2:32:19
  everyone kind of doing it really badly, like the fact they got a
• 2:32:22
  whole orchestra playing like a school orchestra of Three Blind.
• 2:32:26
  Mice is a good joke. Like imagine if art was crap is
• 2:32:29
  basically was saying we're not removing off from the world,
• 2:32:32
  which just imagine it wasn't anything, it wasn't very good
• 2:32:35
  and that feels like quite Russell.
• 2:32:36
  T Davis way to go with it as well and give us Space by bees.
• 2:32:42
  There we go. Imagine, imagine if you can,
• 2:32:46
  someone tried to do something and it was really underwhelming.
• 2:32:49
  You have heard this podcast on you and the bit and a bit
• 2:32:53
  grating. Imagine that did faithful
• 2:32:56
  viewer. And simply to what I said about
• 2:32:59
  73 yards. I think it's another episode
• 2:33:01
  where, and the first time we really saw it about Russell T,
• 2:33:04
  Davis's willingness to play with form in Doctor Who now to do
• 2:33:08
  different things. Yes, I mean the song I I, the
• 2:33:12
  lyrics are not amazing, they're dancing.
• 2:33:14
  They're a damn sight better than the ones in the Church of Ruby
• 2:33:19
  Road. I mean, having having the
• 2:33:21
  Beatles, sing was it were not for fools from Liverpool. oh,
• 2:33:27
  you've really It really captured.
• 2:33:30
  The the strange exploding nature of John Lennon's lyrics there or
• 2:33:34
  perhaps were you sort of going for the full ASI of George
• 2:33:37
  Harrison? Was there a bit of Storytelling
• 2:33:39
  of the? Every man of Paul McCartney
• 2:33:41
  know, you've done something, that would be barrass for Jerry
• 2:33:43
  in the Pacemakers. But, but I love the musical on
• 2:33:47
  for itself and it is much better structured placed within the
• 2:33:51
  episode. This explosion of excitements
• 2:33:54
  and not feeling the need to explain itself.
• 2:33:56
  I saw a couple people at times saying, oh, well, I'd have
• 2:33:59
  enjoyed it more. If they'd made clear that, it's
• 2:34:01
  the music coming back into the university.
• 2:34:03
  That's an explanation that makes any sense.
• 2:34:07
  Anyway, you just puts you just serve Doctor Who you just want
• 2:34:13
  something that goes easily into the wiki to explain what
• 2:34:15
  happened rather than they have a song.
• 2:34:18
  I'd like that the people from Strictly in it.
• 2:34:20
  I like that. They imagine that like they want
• 2:34:23
  to engage with popular. Pop this up and I like, I like
• 2:34:26
  harping a harbinger. Harbinger got there in the end
• 2:34:30
  when he turns up at the end he think oh what's you are?
• 2:34:34
  Binging. Now I want I'm gonna put it
• 2:34:37
  through. I think it's a crap Beatle story
• 2:34:40
  but it's a very good fun Doctor, Who story?
• 2:34:42
  Oh Right listeners comments. Oh sorry.
• 2:34:50
  I forgot. I'll start.
• 2:34:50
  That's all thing now. Nathan and bottom of the RTD
• 2:34:54
  longstream is called despite having basically no musical
• 2:34:58
  talent. And so we get this a Bravo
• 2:35:01
  performance by jinkx, Monsoon, a God.
• 2:35:03
  So powerful that they are able to utterly control the style and
• 2:35:07
  Narrative of the show, The Rooftop scene where Ruby plays a
• 2:35:10
  theme on the piano and the doctor looks off into the
• 2:35:12
  distance. It's one of the most beautiful
• 2:35:14
  moments in the shows history. And then to top it all off, June
• 2:35:19
  Hudson, Jones murdered, horribly stiff destroyer of worlds.
• 2:35:27
  Great Moments, the fourth wall smashed the quiet bit Maestro is
• 2:35:31
  blew meaning but that's all the ending with C instead of A Hard
• 2:35:37
  Day's Night twang or the end of a day in the life.
• 2:35:41
  I could only assume it's a deliberate piss take and I kind
• 2:35:43
  of admire in that way. The blue meanies are the baddies
• 2:35:47
  from the Beatles, film Yellow Submarine.
• 2:35:51
  I only thought about where they were chasing around, but not so
• 2:35:53
  he's That help. Yeah.
• 2:35:59
  Terrible. I made somebody.
• 2:36:01
  The the day in the life chord. No, would have been a nice touch
• 2:36:06
  and I feels like an obvious one. but anyway, Michael stop blimey.
• 2:36:14
  I'm not sure this one, it feels like two separate ideas,
• 2:36:17
  awkwardly fused into one my show is magnet, is a magnificently
• 2:36:22
  melodramatic villain, but I feel she is in the wrong story.
• 2:36:25
  Feels like a missed opportunity. A lot of the time, the musical
• 2:36:29
  numbers fun, though. Resulting grosses we would have
• 2:36:33
  been better with out the Beats having them there and not using
• 2:36:36
  them his Madness. Jinx is great but the resolution
• 2:36:39
  was crap. Final song really need Spirit.
• 2:36:42
  You struck, I didn't have the money for that, you know, at
• 2:36:47
  least expensive on, merely Gibson.
• 2:36:48
  Just enough as a fucking lizard, but Dave Rennie.
• 2:36:53
  My favorite the season. Jinkx Monsoon gives a Powerhouse
• 2:36:56
  performance and shows their range.
• 2:36:59
  She's fabulous and Jane Hudson is killed.
• 2:37:02
  The campus Patrol. Absolute hoot made in no small
• 2:37:06
  part by jinkx his fabulous performance.
• 2:37:08
  I can't wait till she gets the inevitable.
• 2:37:11
  Big finish. Jewelry Duty Call.
• 2:37:13
  Imagine her up against Colin. Oh my God, my stroke.
• 2:37:22
  Give me a big. Alright.
• 2:37:25
  A bit like cool but Michael that is clearly having fun here and
• 2:37:31
  my story, it's a solid enough threat.
• 2:37:32
  It feels like it's teasing. A lot of threads that don't
• 2:37:34
  necessarily get paid off over the next six or.
• 2:37:37
  So it's though, I'll still keep it Jason Thompson.
• 2:37:40
  I enjoyed it a lot. And it's a lot more topical than
• 2:37:43
  it's giving credit. For I think with the importance
• 2:37:45
  of creativity, in the Arts, literally destroying the world,
• 2:37:48
  when they're removed. Look what's happening in
• 2:37:51
  education these days for why this is relevant keep Keeping
• 2:37:55
  Evans some nice creepy moments but I do find the knot Beatles
• 2:37:59
  slightly off putting all. So, why is there a blues eyes?
• 2:38:04
  Lovely. Lucy.
• 2:38:06
  McCall says, I didn't like the devil's chord.
• 2:38:08
  The end felt like it was supposed to be joyful, albeit
• 2:38:11
  with the harp and just still around, but I haven't
• 2:38:13
  overwhelming impression of Gloom.
• 2:38:15
  Also, out of like to miss his meals.
• 2:38:18
  What's up? Michael's wife, Mrs. Mil wants
• 2:38:21
  to save the world piano after all.
• 2:38:25
  David Gillespie Pratt and Improvement but a Beatles themed
• 2:38:29
  episode without their music is a courageous Choice.
• 2:38:31
  Had the closing musical number be more beatles-esque.
• 2:38:35
  It might have landed better, but for new villain with my stroke,
• 2:38:39
  Oscar Groucho says, a Beatles episode without the Beatles.
• 2:38:42
  Fourth wall breaks that Vault, the self-indulgence line.
• 2:38:46
  Oh my God, fourth wall breaks that volt.
• 2:38:49
  The Self Indulgence line so far. It crosses the equator
• 2:38:53
  magnificent costuming from Pam down, but this is a serious for
• 2:38:58
  me. Dylan race.
• 2:39:00
  Where is the Disney money? Now, let's put that episode
• 2:39:08
  being about the Beatles and hardly used them at all.
• 2:39:10
  Utterly bizarre, despite this this is the best at the season
• 2:39:14
  with a brilliant villain fucking how he undercooked and
• 2:39:22
  extravagant disappointing if forth as a celebrity historical.
• 2:39:25
  But surprisingly eloquent about gatekeeping and how music
• 2:39:29
  affects people Andy Parkinson. I really like this one.
• 2:39:33
  Jinkx Monsoon is a great body and plays it just the right side
• 2:39:36
  of over the top. I think It suffers for being
• 2:39:39
  labeled as the Beatles episode when they feature.
• 2:39:41
  So little the story rattles along nicely and it made me
• 2:39:45
  excited for the rest of the season.
• 2:39:46
  Keep it looks junkins. I wish to see some started with
• 2:39:50
  the devil's chord. It's fantastic and I really hope
• 2:39:53
  Maestro comes. Back more stories like this.
• 2:39:55
  Please, Brandon Jones, weird Doctor Who Artie de establishing
• 2:40:00
  wildly under the magic was part of doctor now and Jinx, silver
• 2:40:04
  is the Sinister potential of that in Spades.
• 2:40:06
  The script leans into the impossibility of Licensing
• 2:40:09
  Beatles music in a way up, for Doctor Who making an icon.
• 2:40:13
  Slightly crap James happy Maestro.
• 2:40:17
  Clearly came from the album West Batman School of villainy.
• 2:40:20
  In a plot with zero internal logic and bafflingly bad
• 2:40:23
  continuity with dialogue so we will concede that Rusty Davis
• 2:40:26
  had to go on to state that, of course, six months didn't mean.
• 2:40:30
  Six months and he didn't expect anyone to get that, right?
• 2:40:33
  Okay. Oh, and another one where time
• 2:40:37
  is inconsequential pissed about with in a vague manner.
• 2:40:40
  We get very helpful, he lies his time so he doesn't.
• 2:40:43
  He Daniel Knight should be magnificent.
• 2:40:47
  Jinkx Monsoon is excellent with the definite childcare Vibe
• 2:40:51
  about the performance, but the Beatles are a bit dull rather
• 2:40:54
  than Fab and should have been more of a focus.
• 2:40:57
  So the plot feels a bit under baked.
• 2:40:59
  Hey, the song on first few but enjoyed it second time around.
• 2:41:02
  And finally, says, doctor in a logic delivery is just the pain
• 2:41:13
  in the cold. What a prick?
• 2:41:15
  Hey, things are somebody else. Well, basically, magic and that
• 2:41:20
  loses me. Also, I didn't want to mainly
• 2:41:23
  because I think there's a difference between acting and
• 2:41:25
  gunning. well then well welcome four out of four of God through
• 2:41:36
  Oh my God. My God.
• 2:41:38
  You was busy tonight? Yeah, but I've just, I've just
• 2:41:40
  popped in. I just want to know what's going
• 2:41:42
  on a DOT on bubblegum, too. Well, yeah.
• 2:41:46
  If you are just gone through church of Ruby Road has gone
• 2:41:49
  through. Boom has gone through.
• 2:41:51
  What about Rogue? That's your favorite, isn't it?
• 2:41:54
  Yeah, we haven't talked about that one.
• 2:41:55
  I've got road. Yeah, well I just thought I'd
• 2:41:58
  pop in for 10 seconds so you can hurl your insults at me
• 2:42:01
  personally. Hi Dylan.
• 2:42:03
  Would you say your Russian? Yes, quite possibly.
• 2:42:13
  I'm better than that. Damn dog on top of the target.
• 2:42:18
  I have never read out comments with such.
• 2:42:20
  I filled Victory, when all of my life, may I suggest you get some
• 2:42:25
  heart medicine. Oh, look.
• 2:42:28
  I'm just gonna leave you to it. I just thought and you are
• 2:42:34
  putting the devil's called through, right?
• 2:42:35
  Yeah, absolutely. Just podcast please.
• 2:42:43
  I'm glad you're reading the comments this time because Joe
• 2:42:45
  didn't read myself and they were too horrendous.
• 2:42:48
  I could okay. Always a Twist at the end.
• 2:42:56
  Oh my God. Shiva.
• 2:42:57
  Then that was the last of the comment set Luke.
• 2:42:59
  What we should probably do is for the last couple, let's just
• 2:43:02
  read out half the comments. Otherwise we are not gonna
• 2:43:05
  finish my past, all right. Yeah, okay, we'll see.
• 2:43:08
  Daniel. Me.
• 2:43:11
  Oh God. Okay, quickly.
• 2:43:12
  Okay. So, what I really, so, I'll go
• 2:43:15
  back on what I said at the beginning, where I swapped
• 2:43:19
  around the devil's chord and Rogue for rewatching this
• 2:43:22
  series. And I think it really works
• 2:43:25
  because so people complaining about the six months.
• 2:43:27
  So, if you, if you watch it in the order that I watched it,
• 2:43:31
  which means Rogue on, second, and Devil's chord.
• 2:43:35
  Just before the finale, it means that all the series between
• 2:43:39
  space babies and the finale happens within those six months.
• 2:43:43
  So it's much more satisfying because if you're wondering how
• 2:43:47
  can Ruby suddenly you know coordinate an improvised piano
• 2:43:52
  dance with shooting in the devil's Court well because she
• 2:43:56
  is wearing her psychic earrings from Rogue.
• 2:43:58
  So, you know, if, if you're asking, you know, that whole bit
• 2:44:02
  where, you know, everyone knows a Janet.
• 2:44:04
  Well, you know why she so confident with infiltrating, you
• 2:44:07
  know, Abby Roots, Abbey, Road Studios.
• 2:44:09
  Well, because she's done it before.
• 2:44:11
  In Dolton bubble, she's done it in Rogue.
• 2:44:13
  She's done it. In 73 yards or though,
• 2:44:15
  technically, the timeline doesn't count, but doesn't
• 2:44:17
  matter on a tonal level, it's much more satisfying because it
• 2:44:21
  means you get three fun stories. Then the third one which kind of
• 2:44:25
  devolves into sad and then three dark stories.
• 2:44:28
  And so the devil's chord arrives at the end as a kind of really
• 2:44:32
  fun but also dark breather of a story that it feels like Ruby is
• 2:44:37
  kind of taking him on a trip, just to make him feel better,
• 2:44:39
  just to just to kind of cheer him up.
• 2:44:41
  Let's go and see the Beatles right before the finale and he
• 2:44:45
  even shooting even looks a bit sort of downcast at the
• 2:44:47
  beginning in the first in the hardest scene at the they open
• 2:44:51
  with. So you know you could sort of
• 2:44:53
  see this as taking place just after Dawn bubble and yeah and
• 2:44:58
  so so when my stroke goes at the end.
• 2:45:02
  One, who Waits is almost here. It works better when you put it
• 2:45:06
  just before Holi because benjah this were the kid at the end.
• 2:45:10
  My God would really and we just can we just officially swap them
• 2:45:15
  around. Well that's how I watched it
• 2:45:17
  now. So Henry are being a or
• 2:45:19
  Harbinger. Yeah who who leaves at the end?
• 2:45:22
  During there's always a Twist at the end and there is always a
• 2:45:25
  Twist because he reappears in the form of Harriet.
• 2:45:28
  So Harriet who is the other Harbinger you?
• 2:45:31
  I mean you could see it as another form of the harbinger of
• 2:45:34
  the one who Waits. So that's number one is just if
• 2:45:38
  you swap them round the devil's called feels so much more earned
• 2:45:41
  that song at the end. Feels so much more satisfying
• 2:45:44
  and fun and crazy and and just just wonderful second one is
• 2:45:51
  we've already talked about, which is Maestro, jinkx Monsoon
• 2:45:55
  who seems to be playing a live action version of us, the
• 2:46:00
  seaweed really, and this is one that I actually A tested with
• 2:46:06
  uninitiated people of the new Doctor Who.
• 2:46:10
  So they just they, that it was these kind of quite dreary
• 2:46:13
  relatives of mine who were so down on the Christian era and
• 2:46:17
  they said, they'd stop watching Doctor, Who and they, but they
• 2:46:20
  were quite interested to see how how shooting would would fare as
• 2:46:23
  the doctor. So, I I was like, oh, which one
• 2:46:26
  am I gonna show them then? So I showed them this and it
• 2:46:28
  went down really. Well, I mean, there were
• 2:46:30
  slightly taken aback by all the, the flourishes and the diegetic
• 2:46:34
  music and the notes literally coming out a wrap themselves
• 2:46:37
  around shooting Millie but you know it went it went down quite
• 2:46:41
  well. And even that scene, which I
• 2:46:46
  think is a bit of, it is a very intentional, steel of pyramids
• 2:46:51
  of Mars. Where, you know, he the doctor
• 2:46:54
  takes Ruby back to a to a future time where this is what the
• 2:46:58
  world will look like if there's no music.
• 2:47:00
  It's all it's a nuclear Wasteland, which is straight out
• 2:47:03
  of pyramids, of Mars basically, you know, 1980, 1980, Sarah, if
• 2:47:06
  you want to get off. And and I think that was also an
• 2:47:12
  idea. They originally had in the
• 2:47:14
  unquiet dead, where the doctor was going to take Rose back to
• 2:47:17
  2005 to show her what this was, what would happen.
• 2:47:20
  If you know, if, if the girl destroyed the world but you know
• 2:47:24
  which would break up the flow of that episode anyway and and just
• 2:47:29
  yeah, just the fact that it is a show that it is an episode which
• 2:47:33
  which celebrates music even though yes, the Beatles aren't
• 2:47:36
  in it very much and they're played by actors, who don't
• 2:47:39
  really look like the Beatles. But you know, you think about
• 2:47:42
  all the other Everybody historicals and you know Pauline
• 2:47:45
  Collins doesn't really look like Queen Victoria.
• 2:47:47
  Tony Quran doesn't really look like Vincent van Gogh you know
• 2:47:52
  at a distance they do. But anyway and it's so it
• 2:47:55
  doesn't just fill it with with Beatles music or because they
• 2:47:59
  don't have the right. So it goes back further, it goes
• 2:48:01
  back to, you know, Beethoven and it goes back to das Macabre
• 2:48:07
  which they play at the end and and three blind mice and all
• 2:48:11
  those sort of the little musical wind jokes that you hear during
• 2:48:15
  the, during the during the story at little, you know, little
• 2:48:18
  moments. And and just yeah, that that
• 2:48:20
  scene of, of Millie on the on the roof top playing that that
• 2:48:24
  sad wolf, which I think is the first time we really hear the
• 2:48:30
  Ruby Sunday theme in full and it's just a great moment of
• 2:48:35
  yeah, of quiet and they and you see all the, the people listen
• 2:48:41
  to the music, they hear music and it affects them in all
• 2:48:44
  completely different ways. And and even the sort of staring
• 2:48:48
  off into the distance and you kind of, you know, you thought
• 2:48:50
  of even he's sort of moved by the the the feeling of it.
• 2:48:56
  So I think this is great and I think you know, whether you
• 2:48:59
  watch it immediately after space babies and if you didn't like
• 2:49:02
  space babies, well, this should we you back?
• 2:49:04
  And if you if you watch it at the as the penultimate episode,
• 2:49:09
  the sort of the the Boomtown or the fear her or the Utopia or
• 2:49:15
  turn left of the series, then it's it's a nice sort of lead
• 2:49:20
  into the finale but I allowing you to have some fun along the
• 2:49:24
  way. So I would like to put it
• 2:49:26
  through Peace. Joe.
• 2:49:31
  I think the bit where Ruby is strung up by the musical nose.
• 2:49:37
  Well, that's what she's dragged around.
• 2:49:39
  The floor is very funny and then she strung up by the musical
• 2:49:42
  notes and Carol of the Bell starts playing and the snow
• 2:49:45
  starts coming down. That was the first time I was
• 2:49:48
  like, I'm really seeing something different from Russia
• 2:49:51
  and it gave me chills. When I first watched it, it was
• 2:49:53
  so weird and funny and visually interesting and emotional. and
• 2:50:00
  I'm very pleased to say that even though I've seen Empire of
• 2:50:03
  death since on my second viewing, I had exactly the same
• 2:50:07
  reaction. That's just something in that
• 2:50:09
  scene. There's a fusion of the Ark and
• 2:50:11
  the episode I just gets me. I literally Goosebumps from head
• 2:50:16
  to toe. That's wrong.
• 2:50:35
  What do you mean? There's a hidden song.
• 2:50:47
  You. What is this Christmas music?
• 2:51:01
  That was playing the night that she was born.
• 2:51:10
  How were like him, like, who the oldest one and the night of her
• 2:51:14
  birth? Today.
• 2:51:23
  And now, I like this for the same reason that Daniel does.
• 2:51:36
  What music means to people how it touches them up, list them at
• 2:51:40
  sparkle and shine and Joy and Pain to our lives.
• 2:51:43
  I like the fact that it's slows down and shows how dull life is
• 2:51:47
  without music. And then you get that little
• 2:51:50
  Glimpse, when people get that little glimpse of it, during her
• 2:51:53
  son, looking out the window, whenever that is such a
• 2:51:56
  beautiful scene that we love music, right?
• 2:51:59
  We all love music. So we in that moment, it's a
• 2:52:03
  moment where every single person watching this episode knows what
• 2:52:06
  that is saying and what it means because we've all got music that
• 2:52:10
  we love, which means that the end that musical number is just
• 2:52:14
  a triumphant. It feels like a massive tribe of
• 2:52:18
  a brilliantly. Say something all energy and
• 2:52:20
  color and smiles. Great dancing.
• 2:52:22
  The lyrics are shocking. Michael.
• 2:52:24
  What are you talking about? I swear someone says make do and
• 2:52:27
  mend at one point. I mean it's terrible.
• 2:52:30
  That's what, but it's just so oh, it's just like Doctor Who's
• 2:52:35
  fucking back baby. It's colorful excited.
• 2:52:38
  It's energetic. We're going back to the tallest.
• 2:52:40
  We're gonna dance across the piano.
• 2:52:41
  And oh, yeah, there's something creepy on the Tardis, you know,
• 2:52:44
  we don't forget that once. Wonderful.
• 2:52:47
  Yeah. Jinkx Monsoon, everything.
• 2:52:49
  You said keep it, I'll keep it brief.
• 2:52:53
  However, it's definitely going through.
• 2:52:54
  Then I would also put this through.
• 2:52:56
  I think I don't love it as much as I did.
• 2:52:58
  The first time out. Let's drop down again.
• 2:53:01
  Like a few of the others. I think one thing is it's just
• 2:53:04
  so loud like everyone's just fucking shouting and screaming
• 2:53:07
  and yelling. I mean, Wasn't their daddy
• 2:53:12
  didn't care, but it's not. It's not just Jake.
• 2:53:14
  Small suit, a shity guy was doing it as well, Millie's doing
• 2:53:17
  it. They're all just like, I
• 2:53:19
  yelling, just where it's completely silent for two.
• 2:53:23
  Well, that is great. Like everyone said, I think I
• 2:53:26
  not even just in the episode in the whole e, where it's really
• 2:53:29
  nice to have a scene that just just sits and it's important,
• 2:53:33
  but just sits and lets you just take it in and the doctor is
• 2:53:37
  actually taking it in and the music's really nice, you know,
• 2:53:41
  along with the ending of don't bubble, they're the two really
• 2:53:44
  distinct more. We go bits of music that stick
• 2:53:47
  out of the last two years or so. Um, so I mean it basically goes
• 2:53:53
  Steve for that scene alone, I think it's really, really
• 2:53:55
  lovely. There's a there is a bit of a
• 2:53:58
  problem that I have a dog and there's always a Twist are so
• 2:54:02
  similar ones meant to upset bad news represent good.
• 2:54:06
  But that ended his joyous, it's raining inside and it's probably
• 2:54:10
  these Everyone's just having a and, you know, as a Beatles fun.
• 2:54:15
  Yeah, it's been a nice. See, them Short change but it's
• 2:54:17
  all so lovely to see Abbey Road light off like a piano, it's
• 2:54:21
  just with the umbrellas. Like I said to you when we did
• 2:54:24
  the podcast started at that image in this room at some point
• 2:54:29
  because I think there's already some more out there.
• 2:54:31
  It's the yeah that is just a gorgeous image size.
• 2:54:36
  It's it's great. It's loads of fun.
• 2:54:39
  It's yeah, just that there too. When they, they the, when they
• 2:54:44
  put on them, was it California? Soul, where they got?
• 2:54:47
  They, they rushed to the Tardis wardrobe and they come out.
• 2:54:49
  And they look just so cool. I love that.
• 2:54:51
  They've, repeated that in the second series.
• 2:54:53
  I wear near a scoot, but yeah, yeah.
• 2:54:56
  Okay. Come out with the beehive.
• 2:54:57
  Oh yeah, great. It's something that is
• 2:55:01
  immediately made for me. All other doctor who look a
• 2:55:04
  little bit odd is the fact that they never change their clothes
• 2:55:07
  that barely ever change their clothes.
• 2:55:08
  Now, they actually do it. It looks like such a conceit in
• 2:55:12
  the rest of it, but that you'll actually your point about
• 2:55:16
  putting this just before the end, not only everything you
• 2:55:19
  said. It's also making me think, I
• 2:55:21
  think it would set up the finale, better also narrative
• 2:55:24
  terms because there's that really odd biting.
• 2:55:27
  It was odd. The first time I watched it, the
• 2:55:28
  Susan twist cameo in. This is so lingering and strange
• 2:55:32
  the first time you watch it because you've not, you've not
• 2:55:34
  caught on yet that she's in Thing.
• 2:55:37
  So, just like, why are we seeing that tea lady?
• 2:55:39
  Is that, like, June Hudson? Is that someone I meant?
• 2:55:41
  Was she did? She do the makeup into the
• 2:55:43
  Sylvester McCoy era? I don't know.
• 2:55:45
  And then the doctor talking about Susan for the first time,
• 2:55:49
  because he's back in 1963. So yeah, it will get onto it.
• 2:55:53
  But why is he suddenly going on about Susan in the finale, I
• 2:55:56
  think. Oh, because he's been reminded
• 2:55:58
  of her and you're all. So maybe, you know, you're
• 2:56:01
  getting this sense that the beginning of course, on Susan,
• 2:56:04
  twist being about it. So it's all starting to head
• 2:56:06
  together. So I think you're right and I
• 2:56:10
  think it'll stay for free Daniel rules, lie.
• 2:56:12
  I think it's the first time that the Tardis was that growly
• 2:56:15
  thing. It doesn't in Rogue just so he
• 2:56:20
  does it in Rogue, right? There's always indigestion or
• 2:56:23
  something. But um, but it's the first time
• 2:56:25
  they kind of really notice it and they go way.
• 2:56:27
  Whoa yeah but it's pointedly at the end of the episode of The
• 2:56:31
  Devil's called isn't it? So yeah.
• 2:56:33
  Yeah. Right down.
• 2:56:36
  Oh, I think Michael brought up Jinx but no one else really just
• 2:56:42
  say the putins in such a powerful you know such an
• 2:56:48
  impressive role in this episode on the opening night of the new
• 2:56:52
  series. I think that was a deliberate
• 2:56:55
  move and I think Jinx that a fabulous job but it was a
• 2:56:59
  statement and it was one that was worth making it was great.
• 2:57:03
  Check out the interview, check out the interview with them in
• 2:57:06
  Doctor Who magazine, they're wonderful.
• 2:57:09
  They don't know a thing about doctor at all, but I love doing
• 2:57:11
  it. Neither does Catherine say so
• 2:57:14
  it's fine. I thought this on Towers were
• 2:57:17
  running on electric. Daniel, please choose between
• 2:57:21
  bubble. legendary somewhere Empire of death and Christ was
• 2:57:28
  broke. Oh, yeah.
• 2:57:29
  Well, that's all right, then. Let's talk about Rogue.
• 2:57:35
  Yes. So, um, I didn't mind it too
• 2:57:40
  much. When I first saw it, I thought
• 2:57:42
  the whole thing about using the, the music that well known pop
• 2:57:46
  music with digested within the episode.
• 2:57:50
  I thought, oh, that's quite clever.
• 2:57:51
  Until someone pointed out, you know, they do the same in
• 2:57:53
  Bridgeton, I was like, oh, right.
• 2:57:55
  And I don't watch Bridget, I think before it.
• 2:57:58
  Yeah. And the big problem for me
• 2:57:59
  problem. Number one for me is I don't
• 2:58:01
  watch Bridgeton and I'm sure I would like it if I watched it.
• 2:58:04
  But the whole thing about, you know, that you could go, you
• 2:58:08
  could you could do anything with Dr. Who, in Period drama is
• 2:58:12
  specially. You know, if the doctor is
• 2:58:14
  black, and the fact that they're doing the, the sort of the color
• 2:58:19
  blind, you know, the color blind thing in, in the past.
• 2:58:24
  And, and you think? Yeah.
• 2:58:27
  Well we're just going to do a riff on Bridgeton with bird
• 2:58:30
  people and call their day. I mean it's I don't know.
• 2:58:34
  It's it's yeah, it's I I there are things I like about it.
• 2:58:39
  I like I like sort of shitty being held on road ship and and
• 2:58:44
  doing trolling in with the Kylie song he keeps put it on and
• 2:58:48
  turning it off. Putting it on again.
• 2:58:49
  Putting it on my God, he can be his hips.
• 2:58:52
  Yeah, classy like this one and I fuck.
• 2:58:58
  Did I do that? Well, this is the thing.
• 2:59:02
  I like that scene, but I think that scene basically exposes,
• 2:59:05
  the biggest problem of the episode is that you've got
• 2:59:08
  Shootout, were the, the flamboyant, the energetic, the
• 2:59:12
  charismatic doctor. And on the other hand, you've
• 2:59:15
  got Rogue who's just? I mean, no disrespect to
• 2:59:18
  Jonathan Groff from Frozen. But he, he's just a bit boring,
• 2:59:22
  the most boring, but So you know you got watching on Glee.
• 2:59:32
  My body was sex on anything Glee, I don't know what happens.
• 2:59:37
  So yeah you got, you know, shooting kind of clowning around
• 2:59:40
  with the songs say I'm still standing still baby and you on
• 2:59:43
  the other hand, you've got row going.
• 2:59:44
  Yeah, don't do that. And yeah right?
• 2:59:48
  And and you know I mean it's it's yeah and so I just
• 2:59:53
  wondered, you know, are they trying to do a bit of a Captain
• 2:59:55
  Jack thing because he's American he's got an invisible spaceship
• 2:59:59
  you know he does the psychic paper gag from the empty child
• 3:00:04
  with rows where, you know he the doctor actually accidentally
• 3:00:08
  exposes. Oh your heart.
• 3:00:09
  That's what the psychic paper says you know.
• 3:00:12
  As and and the fact that the the characters have to keep pointing
• 3:00:15
  out. Oh this is so Bridgeton in case
• 3:00:18
  in case you didn't realize and let's point out they kind of
• 3:00:22
  over explain the jokes too. There's quite a funny joke
• 3:00:24
  where, you know, Lord Barton, who has the terrible cold
• 3:00:28
  opening? Where he literally basically
• 3:00:30
  just killed someone says, it's my turn to be the bad guy now
• 3:00:33
  and then cuts into the credits. I mean, Um and then um and then
• 3:00:40
  so when when he, when he tries to sort of put the moves on Ruby
• 3:00:43
  and she says, yeah well, you know, if you try that, if you
• 3:00:46
  tried that the spinning wheel mate, me and my friends would
• 3:00:48
  rip me a new one. Now, get out of my way, Lord
• 3:00:50
  Stilton. And I think that's quite funny,
• 3:00:52
  but then Indira Varma, has to over.
• 3:00:55
  Explain the jokes. When you go still and what's
• 3:00:58
  that? It's a very difficult cheese.
• 3:01:00
  Yes. Thank you.
• 3:01:01
  Thank you very much. It could be a Christian or joke.
• 3:01:05
  I mean that's the other thing. Yes.
• 3:01:08
  The attack of the bird people. I mean Of all the.
• 3:01:12
  I mean, I don't mind the, the returning to the RTD, you know,
• 3:01:16
  anthropomorphic animals. So rhinos and cats, that are
• 3:01:20
  aliens. And this time, it's bird people.
• 3:01:22
  If the bird costumes could just be a bit less shit.
• 3:01:25
  I mean and I was really excited when Indira Varma was an as was
• 3:01:31
  announced. I was like oh yes Susie Costello
• 3:01:33
  from portrait, she was so popular.
• 3:01:34
  They kept having to kill her off.
• 3:01:36
  Bring her back. Killer off, bring her back.
• 3:01:38
  Bring her back in big finish And and she's terrible in this, she
• 3:01:42
  just kind of you know I would like to be the doctor when I
• 3:01:45
  take over his body what's what's the terrible line?
• 3:01:49
  Was she like that was in the trailer where she sort of
• 3:01:51
  France? It's like well go down.
• 3:01:53
  Oh nice. Um, and you know and and and I
• 3:02:01
  mean the fact that it's second in the series, just after if you
• 3:02:04
  watch it just after space babies, because that's what ruby
• 3:02:07
  says when she tries to convince the doctor, you know, you know,
• 3:02:11
  I'm not a shoulder because my, my grandmother's called cherry
• 3:02:14
  and we met space, baby. So, literally the two last
• 3:02:16
  episode, the two last Adventures.
• 3:02:18
  They've had really, and it is quite poetic if you then watch,
• 3:02:22
  boom. Because Rogue ends with Rogue
• 3:02:26
  with his feet, glued to the floor and basically dying, or
• 3:02:30
  maybe he's not dead, but, um, and then it leads in onto to
• 3:02:34
  shooty, basically being narratively punished for that
• 3:02:38
  guilt. Because at the end of row, he
• 3:02:40
  has a very, which I think is quite believable moment of kind
• 3:02:43
  of not, not allowing his emotions to not, not basically
• 3:02:49
  not expressing. His emotions until Ruby has to
• 3:02:51
  say, well, come in. Let me give you a hug because
• 3:02:53
  You're obviously, you know, pushing bottling all this up,
• 3:02:56
  and he's then sort of narratively, punished for that
• 3:02:59
  where he literally also has his feet glue to the floor and is
• 3:03:02
  put in Mortal Danger. Um, and so I mean, it would have
• 3:03:06
  been a really bold move to sort of have the doctor fall in love,
• 3:03:10
  I don't matter. I don't mind a bit of romance in
• 3:03:13
  Doctor Who as long as either, it's a doomed romance or the
• 3:03:16
  doctors just a bit rubbish at it.
• 3:03:18
  Um, and but again, if you had a more charismatic act, if you had
• 3:03:24
  someone who could match shooty, Gap was energy or Talent, or
• 3:03:29
  just presents on screen. So, when he gives him a kiss at
• 3:03:34
  the end, you know, it's supposed to be the fact that, oh, I'm,
• 3:03:37
  I'm kissing you, but I'm actually tricking you because
• 3:03:39
  I'm taking the, the remote control for the Trap.
• 3:03:41
  And I'm gonna sacrifice myself, and he just just kind of Falls a
• 3:03:46
  bit flat. So, yeah.
• 3:03:48
  And just lines, like, oh, we're gonna cosplay this planet to
• 3:03:52
  death, I mean, you know, I quite like my name's Bond molecular
• 3:03:57
  Bond know. I mean these people, these
• 3:04:03
  script writers, they work elsewhere, you know, they wrote
• 3:04:06
  a Target book of this which is much better and you are not
• 3:04:10
  keeping our power to dry our way.
• 3:04:11
  Should we go to the coins? Let's go to the comments.
• 3:04:17
  What British can you? I'm sorry I just finished very
• 3:04:19
  briefly on the fact that I mean I do find it interesting that
• 3:04:23
  this story came about, when Russell T Davies, expressed his
• 3:04:27
  displeasure at the sort of what they call Queer baiting going on
• 3:04:31
  in Loki, the TV show Loki where they, where basically, they
• 3:04:36
  literally say, oh, Loki said he had a boyfriend once, and oh,
• 3:04:41
  that makes him Gay and aren't we?
• 3:04:42
  Wonderful and inclusive in Disney, and the fact that he
• 3:04:45
  got, he basically critiqued that that got him in touch with one
• 3:04:50
  of the, the showrunners and the writers of the show.
• 3:04:53
  And, and then he sort of whoa, why didn't I'm so sorry for
• 3:04:56
  being so sort of, you know, over enthusiastic with my comments.
• 3:05:02
  Why don't you come and write a Doctor Who episode and the fact
• 3:05:04
  that the best thing that they could come up with is, yeah, a
• 3:05:07
  Bridgerton riff with cosplaying alien.
• 3:05:10
  Bird people, I mean this is this is pure Click by Isley, it's
• 3:05:15
  okay. So to start in wobbly on when
• 3:05:22
  the doctors like oh, Isaac Newton was hot.
• 3:05:24
  That is The actual queer. Anyway.
• 3:05:30
  Anyway, bin bin, bin bin, good choice, good choice.
• 3:05:35
  I only Michael could possibly save this one.
• 3:05:40
  Steph destroyer of worlds, says silly sexy fun.
• 3:05:44
  You can't, how could you turn your nose up at bird creatures
• 3:05:47
  and Empire line frocks on a spot of Kylie from this racing team,
• 3:05:51
  please, the sacrificial ending is a bit naff, but it just about
• 3:05:54
  that with the set pieces along the way fans self.
• 3:05:58
  Lucy, McCall. I enjoyed Rogue though, I'd have
• 3:06:01
  liked more time to get to know the characters, the children
• 3:06:03
  were fun and striking villains. And I really like the quiet
• 3:06:06
  conversation between Rogue and the doctor where each is trying
• 3:06:10
  to find out about the other Dylan Reese.
• 3:06:12
  So your breath everyone really. It took two people to write
• 3:06:16
  this. It's a paper thin plot but
• 3:06:18
  actually quite a fun episode. Oh Dylan!
• 3:06:20
  Not sure. I quite buy the chemistry
• 3:06:23
  between Rogan, the doctor, but I feels most at home in the row
• 3:06:27
  here, but that's part of the problem.
• 3:06:29
  The doctor is just a normal guy in this series.
• 3:06:31
  There's no alienist to him. No history.
• 3:06:34
  No, wait. If Catwoman Ruby swap roles they
• 3:06:37
  were played both parties exactly the same and don't give me that
• 3:06:40
  shit about this. Doctor.
• 3:06:41
  Being fixed, Nobody Cries as much as just come is over there.
• 3:06:48
  Michael, we just very angry. I didn't wait, I mean with this
• 3:06:51
  episode. He might have a point about
• 3:06:52
  that. Swapping roles.
• 3:06:58
  Edgar Grace, a great episode. Showing the doctors, really seen
• 3:07:02
  romantic side, really all. I struggled to see the chemistry
• 3:07:06
  and don't get much from goth. Shooting does sell this to me
• 3:07:10
  heartbreaking with great monsters.
• 3:07:13
  Throw this. Where is the Disney money?
• 3:07:16
  That fucking blue one with the white Mustang favorite is the
• 3:07:21
  word that we needed, more Blue Man.
• 3:07:23
  Oscar Groucho, curious blend of what why I was getting once
• 3:07:28
  Merchant Ivory and satirical discourse on fandom.
• 3:07:32
  I suspect a lot of the dislike for the episode come from its
• 3:07:35
  meta commentary on fans and it's obsessive, proclivities says,
• 3:07:40
  the guy reviewing it for a podcast box pop a gorgeously
• 3:07:44
  shot color palette lens, a rich veneer, that makes it possibly
• 3:07:47
  the most tragic lantic of all of the Arts.
• 3:07:50
  He did to era, does he deliberately right time to
• 3:07:53
  Twisters? That's a straight man that hates
• 3:07:57
  this. This does not feel right now,
• 3:08:00
  but I'm gonna do it anyway. Nathan, bottomley heartbreaking,
• 3:08:03
  the first gay romance in Doctor Who if you don't count, Harrison
• 3:08:06
  Chase in the criminals, he was in practice, but hey, it's the
• 3:08:11
  doctor himself in love with Jonathan.
• 3:08:13
  Growth who is playing against type as a shy and awkward Nerd
• 3:08:16
  Like Us Rogue and the doctor connects so quickly over their
• 3:08:20
  shared loss, they kiss and then Rogue sacrifice himself so that
• 3:08:23
  the doctor doesn't have to experience such loss again, sad
• 3:08:26
  and beautiful. And finally Doctor Who's gay
• 3:08:29
  fans, get to see themselves in their hero and people think
• 3:08:34
  people think the two of them fall in love too quickly.
• 3:08:37
  Can you just fuck off? Always lost a co-host on his
• 3:08:41
  Star, Trek course, and John arnhold the cosplaying aliens of
• 3:08:46
  Rogue off a smart funny. I did know John then not but
• 3:08:50
  it's also some what song by the lack of Chemistry Between
• 3:08:53
  catwalk and groffs some, what you say John which which is
• 3:08:58
  strange. Consider what was going on in
• 3:09:01
  real life? Well, yeah, it's exactly Big
• 3:09:04
  Orange Michael. Yeah.
• 3:09:05
  I don't like get away with that one.
• 3:09:10
  I did feel like the entire doctor Rogue relationship is
• 3:09:14
  rushed and the fate of Rogue is a thread left unexplored in the
• 3:09:18
  final run of episode. Jason Thompson says, Rogue I
• 3:09:22
  absolutely loved. This had monsters are companion
• 3:09:25
  in Jeopardy. Some surprising moments and a
• 3:09:27
  sad but hopeful ending. I came away hoping that one day
• 3:09:30
  the doctor doesn't need find that boring cont Again.
• 3:09:34
  Oh, sorry. He did a cyborg best of the
• 3:09:36
  series for me. Doug pin.
• 3:09:38
  Rogue feels a bit Doctor Who by numbers not a bad episode.
• 3:09:41
  Just a dull, despite the period setting and all the costumes.
• 3:09:45
  However, the target book is much more.
• 3:09:47
  Satisfying, that's it. Rogue is a fun historical romp
• 3:09:52
  with the romance to the doctor. That feels Charming rather than
• 3:09:54
  controversial. The shity children are silly,
• 3:09:58
  but well designed and acted know they're not Ruby's fighting to
• 3:10:02
  Poker. Face is very funny.
• 3:10:03
  Yes, it is funny. No, it is not long enough that
• 3:10:06
  Michael still essentially, this is girl in the fireplace.
• 3:10:10
  Redux Rogue is a very charismatic character.
• 3:10:13
  I don't know. The next slide is Rose is a very
• 3:10:24
  charismatic characters like quite like the nation of
• 3:10:31
  cosplays. Both regular Look at the very
• 3:10:35
  costumes which you see having something of a third doctor vibe
• 3:10:38
  to it. Oh, I can't go on these
• 3:10:40
  comments. James have been better, I love
• 3:10:42
  it. Well how unusual damn fun we
• 3:10:47
  find out what the doctor probably wanted to do with
• 3:10:49
  Captain jackpot was too repressed to do, so a
• 3:10:52
  brilliantly Daft explanation for the motive and she'd like from
• 3:10:55
  start to finish proof. Think of all those Moffitt
• 3:10:59
  bangers that he hated. And he loves this shit proof
• 3:11:02
  that the right in Hell shooting back elsewhere, cut.
• 3:11:06
  The doctor is keeping it with Professor Captain Jack.
• 3:11:08
  I won't want to give Chris Christopher not scripture.
• 3:11:10
  This new regeneration its kind of cheeky Dave ready lots of fun
• 3:11:18
  for shooting and the children are great.
• 3:11:20
  Despite the one with the blue had looking so bad, everyone
• 3:11:24
  loves his wife. I've never seen bridgeson.
• 3:11:27
  So I feel like I was left out of an in-joke seeing the faces of
• 3:11:31
  the past doctors were ice, all your that fan.
• 3:11:33
  Lost the bird people though got to love Groff.
• 3:11:38
  Luke's name is Jenkins. I bloody Little Road.
• 3:11:41
  He's going on. What's going on?
• 3:11:44
  My wife and I fell in love fast, so I really dug this and the
• 3:11:47
  target. That's three.
• 3:11:48
  Finally, some new fucking writers, okay?
• 3:11:52
  Herod. And Brian Redmond, please write
• 3:11:54
  some more oh, and bring back rug, I know more Brendan Jones,
• 3:12:00
  quick romances have happened a bit in 21st century Doctor Who
• 3:12:04
  and this is one of the best mainly because while the doctor
• 3:12:08
  on road Bond over Mutual pain, these are Australians.
• 3:12:11
  They are seeing depths are no. They also delighted in each
• 3:12:14
  other's company. Despite Rogue sacrifice, we're
• 3:12:16
  left on a hopeful know which we need for queer stories now more
• 3:12:20
  than ever. Mmm.
• 3:12:22
  This is feels like a great one for Ruby too.
• 3:12:24
  The fight scene is brilliant, and her Joy at the doctor's
• 3:12:27
  romance and comforting him. At the end is no perfect.
• 3:12:29
  It highlights the fact that a doctor allows himself to fill
• 3:12:32
  things with his fucking crying all the time.
• 3:12:34
  We know he feels things, David. Let's be proud a paint by
• 3:12:37
  numbers exercise and introducing the potential River Song Mark to
• 3:12:41
  despite what the episode was trying to tell me, I had no
• 3:12:43
  emotional investment in it whatsoever.
• 3:12:45
  Finally, someone with it after the previous two stories, this
• 3:12:50
  is much lighter, it's good. Fun, and Doctor Who's habit of
• 3:12:53
  reference in other shows and genres.
• 3:12:54
  He's clear to see well by no means a classic.
• 3:12:57
  It's nevertheless enjoyable, keep it.
• 3:12:59
  Oh my Bridgeton, Professor Stephen Hawking these back.
• 3:13:03
  I'll choose my words, carefully for this, but I really dislike
• 3:13:07
  Road for side, stepping all the issues that could arise from the
• 3:13:10
  doctor being a black man in the past.
• 3:13:11
  But I'm making it the bridge in version of the past, Keira
• 3:13:15
  Evans, an episode not written by RTD and moth good grief, fun and
• 3:13:20
  enjoyable. and finally, Paul dresser, I quite like the idea
• 3:13:24
  of the story and there were good bits but I just don't want to
• 3:13:27
  see the doctor sexualized gay or straight or chasing after
• 3:13:31
  someone like a love 16 Ager, much prefer 13th, reaction to
• 3:13:35
  the fact that someone has feelings for them all this
• 3:13:39
  Right. I'm going to stay in sorry if I
• 3:13:43
  spent my whole, well, if I actually got the right for dogs
• 3:13:46
  too and I ended up, right. I would be just so disappointed.
• 3:13:49
  Get this in the bin. Rogue is the most boring man in
• 3:13:52
  the world. He's so boring.
• 3:13:55
  Captain Jack, cheeky funny. Charming, mysterious all the
• 3:13:58
  things today for any said, like, two hours ago.
• 3:14:00
  But this man is so boring. Just I've got I'm honestly, I
• 3:14:09
  just wanted those washed over nothing to say about it.
• 3:14:12
  A bit, robot Revolution as well to be fair for the just nothing
• 3:14:16
  didn't feel anything. What's the point?
• 3:14:18
  He knows not feeling nothing. What's the point?
• 3:14:22
  Yeah? Really like the only, you know,
• 3:14:26
  the part where they talk about creating this candle by dancing
• 3:14:29
  together. I don't think that works in the
• 3:14:32
  rules of this bridge in London history, place.
• 3:14:35
  If it was actually in the past past, then They would have been
• 3:14:40
  dragged out of it. No, not okay.
• 3:14:43
  Know, in real life they would have been but like, it doesn't
• 3:14:48
  mean anything here. I think that's the thing.
• 3:14:49
  The whole thing just doesn't connect. with with me down
• 3:14:56
  though, right now, and it would I've seen Bridge, it's quite.
• 3:15:01
  It's all right. But I'm more invested in Bridget
• 3:15:05
  than I am this. I like the Blue Mountain because
• 3:15:08
  it doesn't really gets one. He just shouts and bloodshed.
• 3:15:10
  At what point? And you've also got that bit
• 3:15:17
  where it cheats you into thinking Ruby is dead, you know,
• 3:15:21
  like the electricity's up and everything and then she's not
• 3:15:24
  clearly and it's all a big fake out.
• 3:15:26
  It's it's crap. It's crap.
• 3:15:30
  But do you remember that bit where they're cheap?
• 3:15:33
  The bird people were chasing them and they're so
• 3:15:35
  unthreatening. They have to actually shout what
• 3:15:37
  they're going to do to them decapitation.
• 3:15:41
  I wanted to try on the doctor. Oh, and you know, oh, fat shame.
• 3:15:45
  But that fat one. She's the most annoying of all,
• 3:15:47
  of all the birds. She's got a really irritating
• 3:15:50
  voice. I fucking loved Bridgerton.
• 3:15:52
  All right, at that sexy man's ass.
• 3:15:55
  All the way through, seriously, I loved it.
• 3:15:57
  It was sexy. It was scandalous.
• 3:15:58
  It was gossipy, it was politicking in high society.
• 3:16:01
  None of that is in Rogue. Not one bit of it.
• 3:16:05
  It's the surface gloss. Oh yes.
• 3:16:07
  And any of the, you know that work is the lady whistledown
• 3:16:13
  gossip business and everyone gossiping about you.
• 3:16:15
  And then on the other side, pure gorgeous, it's shooting out.
• 3:16:19
  Then we might be talking and just everything that Daniel
• 3:16:23
  said. So brilliantly, the children are
• 3:16:25
  the wrong side of Archie on the subtle, unfunny they look
• 3:16:29
  absurd. They make no impact on me and
• 3:16:31
  whatsoever. I think every one of those
• 3:16:32
  performances of those bird people is atrocious for one.
• 3:16:36
  Dylan is right? I know, he said they were good,
• 3:16:38
  didn't he? A cosplaying thing cosplaying in
• 3:16:42
  history. Really?
• 3:16:43
  That's what we're doing. They have to explain it to you
• 3:16:46
  at least twice in case you didn't get it so fast.
• 3:16:50
  Oh, the only thing I like in this episode are the Ruby
• 3:16:52
  scenes. I like how Ruby's enjoying being
• 3:16:54
  in a Bridgestone episode or that hiding around beyond the book.
• 3:16:58
  A bit where the books fall on a red, baby laugh out loud this
• 3:17:01
  time and the Poker Face Fight is really great.
• 3:17:30
  And that scene at the end with the doctor is, they do have
• 3:17:33
  genuine chemistry and that's saying the rest of this is just
• 3:17:36
  a write off traditional fund Doctor, Who bulshit. so, you
• 3:17:44
  Yeah. I mean the first time I watched
• 3:17:47
  Rogue, I I enjoyed it. Second time.
• 3:17:50
  I watched it, which was for this, I was a bit more on the
• 3:17:53
  fence with it, but I think you've all taught me to hate.
• 3:17:55
  I think I the things that irritate me are irritating me
• 3:18:01
  more than more, I think about them.
• 3:18:02
  And whenever doctor who goes into the past, it kind of has to
• 3:18:06
  make that decision. Okay.
• 3:18:07
  This week, we do the real past or an attempt at doing the real
• 3:18:11
  past or are we doing Horrible? Histories picture book, imagine
• 3:18:15
  version of the past and either a fine, but you sort of have to
• 3:18:17
  play by those rules. And I do think this, there's
• 3:18:20
  something about this that I think sort of been touched on
• 3:18:22
  that a noise me more, which is worried the bridge and version
• 3:18:25
  of the past. Fine.
• 3:18:26
  That's okay. But then it turns to suggest
• 3:18:30
  that it's not that version of the past because as you say,
• 3:18:32
  there's the scene with them causing a scandal but dancing.
• 3:18:35
  You think, well that doesn't really sort of quite work
• 3:18:38
  because we're not really worrying about races.
• 3:18:40
  And in this version of the past and we're not worrying about
• 3:18:43
  other things in this version of the past.
• 3:18:44
  But we're worrying about that. Okay, so what is that work?
• 3:18:46
  It's just very very grating to have them.
• 3:18:50
  Do a Bridgeton episode and have everyone constantly go.
• 3:18:54
  We're doing a bridge in episode. We're doing a bridge in episode.
• 3:18:56
  Hey guys, did you notice guys again?
• 3:19:01
  It's the wacky tie, it's the same thing.
• 3:19:03
  I mean, so like but the return of doctor Mysterio they worked
• 3:19:07
  constantly going. We're doing we're doing Hello,
• 3:19:09
  we're doing Supermac. We did Superman.
• 3:19:12
  I mean there was a bit of that in there but not as bad as I go
• 3:19:16
  for Christie. In unicorn on the WASP James
• 3:19:19
  made a puppet that made a point out of it that made a point out
• 3:19:22
  to the fact that we're AG. The Christie win Agatha
• 3:19:24
  Christie's story, what is going on and that so that reverse at
• 3:19:27
  the end of them cosplaying does not work at all because they
• 3:19:31
  because the idea is the, the juxtaposition you're meant to
• 3:19:35
  have there is the aliens of come here in the past.
• 3:19:37
  Cosplaying is the imagined version of the past, but they're
• 3:19:41
  in this imagined version of the past, you would need to
• 3:19:43
  confront. There's a story that you can do
• 3:19:45
  about them wanting to come back and do Bridgeton just like Ruby
• 3:19:48
  wants to do Bridgerton and actually having that ramp up
• 3:19:51
  against the reality of the past, but it's not doing that.
• 3:19:53
  They came back to coming back to dress up in a dress up version.
• 3:19:57
  Anyway, it's all just saw falls apart, I mean, the romance
• 3:20:01
  element. I like to, I like to principle
• 3:20:04
  that they were doing the queer romance.
• 3:20:05
  That was fine. Jonathan Groff, you know, as a
• 3:20:09
  foreigner said, Is there. And if he I like his outfit, I
• 3:20:15
  like his outfit. The cost.
• 3:20:17
  The costume is wonderful. In this, you know, the BBC will
• 3:20:20
  do you proud. Apart from the aliens, I was
• 3:20:22
  disappointed in the aliens because I think there are very
• 3:20:25
  good version of a very crap. I'd of a very crap type of
• 3:20:28
  alien, if that makes sense. You know, the plumage of the
• 3:20:30
  blue guy does look nice and way better than we've had in 2006.
• 3:20:34
  But I sort of hoped we'd left that kind of monster in to the
• 3:20:37
  it's like a really guys. What if we could do the trite
• 3:20:40
  divorce? Well that sort of feeling I have
• 3:20:45
  said that I did get quite excited but Richie Rod popped up
• 3:20:48
  and that's what kept me warm and fussy for the rest of the
• 3:20:50
  episode. It's not enough to say it.
• 3:20:54
  Yeah, a cheap and nasty trick just cheaper.
• 3:20:58
  Nasty trick. Russell TV to get me on side
• 3:21:01
  with you and, you know, it's you skiving insult.
• 3:21:05
  You could throw a rogue his I think the bird people in the
• 3:21:07
  twin doll. Emma might be better, you know.
• 3:21:11
  I'm not low what? Final quick thing is a I think I
• 3:21:16
  was the first person to make the link that Ruby's pulled.
• 3:21:20
  The spinning wheel is the same as what Jackie says in love and
• 3:21:23
  Monsters the spinning wheel. I put that out on Twitter
• 3:21:25
  immediately after this episode, having watched love and monsters
• 3:21:28
  like 200 times. And most of it went down, quite
• 3:21:32
  fun, apart from one guy who pointed out the two locations of
• 3:21:36
  Jackie, Tyler's, flat, and Ruby, Sunday's fight with me, that one
• 3:21:41
  of them would have to be getting an hour and a half.
• 3:21:42
  She tried to go with and so that I was talking bollocks, tell me
• 3:21:49
  you didn't engage with this person.
• 3:21:51
  Obviously not. But thanks very much for really
• 3:21:54
  one last one about, right? I'll promise you will move on,
• 3:21:58
  okay? This supposedly sexist sexless
• 3:22:01
  Cristiano era, right? Provided a gay romance in
• 3:22:05
  practice the sizzles and when they snugged in the hardest boy,
• 3:22:09
  did I have some chemistry? Felt nothing when Rogan the
• 3:22:13
  doctor kissed and it's really nothing.
• 3:22:16
  He said, it says something about the doctors taste too is like,
• 3:22:27
  you know, I'm, yes. I'm going to fall in love with a
• 3:22:30
  bounty hunter from across the stars, but he's so boring.
• 3:22:34
  I mean, if that's the doctor's tasted in men.
• 3:22:36
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 3:22:39
  Joe. You got two choices so you're
• 3:22:42
  gonna go for don't bubble and the finale.
• 3:22:44
  Oh, let's do the finale. Come on, let's get it over and
• 3:22:47
  done with you. Give me doubting.
• 3:22:49
  Yeah, I'm so on the fence with this finale because I do
• 3:22:53
  genuinely think the legend of Ruby song of that is a banger.
• 3:22:57
  I really do. I think that's the mystery of
• 3:23:02
  the season is really well, brought together in the first
• 3:23:05
  third where they literally spell out you know all the different
• 3:23:09
  parts of the season and then they lock it all together.
• 3:23:12
  So you so you completely understand what the mystery is,
• 3:23:15
  you know, setting us up for the satisfying horses in Empire of
• 3:23:19
  death. Perhaps um and I like the fact
• 3:23:23
  we've gone back to unit as well and we've got all those
• 3:23:25
  characters back male is there Bonkers Mill crazy Bonkers,
• 3:23:30
  melty man is there as well. For some reason, just on an
• 3:23:34
  iPad. When suitcase.
• 3:23:35
  I think the links is there. It's a nice fun.
• 3:23:39
  Yeah, kids name, who's more excited?
• 3:23:43
  What's that point out? That kid, that's great.
• 3:23:45
  Yeah, and I do think male is fantastic, her line of stop
• 3:23:50
  Grizzly and fix it towards the end of the last one of the best
• 3:23:54
  lines of the season now finished.
• 3:23:56
  Yeah. What did Lucius such power?
• 3:23:58
  Susan, twist, is wonderful fun and it as well.
• 3:24:01
  She's genuinely likeable and engaging.
• 3:24:03
  I love the Theresa my daughter. She does when she comes out.
• 3:24:07
  That's very, very funny. Do I buy virus attack expert?
• 3:24:09
  Not at all, but I thought I was supposed to because technically,
• 3:24:13
  she was just at all along, wasn't she?
• 3:24:15
  So, I'm on that so much. The time window.
• 3:24:19
  Sequence is magical, it's suspenseful, it's beautiful.
• 3:24:23
  It's ominous, it's, it's like spectral imagery, It's haunting.
• 3:24:28
  It's like walking through like the ghost of a nightmare.
• 3:24:31
  It's really fantastic. That sequence, that's where your
• 3:24:34
  money is. I think that looks really unlike
• 3:24:36
  anything we've ever seen in Doctor, Who before And of
• 3:24:40
  course, it's Rusty. Davis doing a penultimate
• 3:24:42
  Cliffhanger. So they're shocked with suspense
• 3:24:44
  building horror and drama the ending with Susan twist turning
• 3:24:48
  into That. Hideous zombie.
• 3:24:50
  That's so scary. You know, I know John Arnold's
• 3:24:54
  little boy. He apparently watch this over
• 3:24:56
  and over again. That Cliffhanger just absolutely
• 3:24:59
  kicked the excitement factor into him.
• 3:25:01
  So I think that is a banger. And then I went to the cinema to
• 3:25:06
  watch the Empire of death, and I do think the first 10 minutes of
• 3:25:10
  the empire of death are great. Epic terrifying, beautifully.
• 3:25:14
  Executed, that's he was on the bus when all the dust is coming
• 3:25:16
  around and all the Panic, like it is proper movie, Doctor Who
• 3:25:20
  that and then, we end up in this tiny little set of memory cards,
• 3:25:27
  whilst we sit around doing fuck, oh, like nothing happens in the
• 3:25:31
  middle of this episode, does it? Ah, I just don't know the dust
• 3:25:37
  of death spreading all over the world.
• 3:25:39
  That's a nice image. The doctor screaming into the
• 3:25:41
  universe outside, the Tardis. That's a great moment.
• 3:25:44
  That's awful. I love.
• 3:25:46
  That is awful. I just makes me laugh.
• 3:25:50
  I don't understand the same with the woman who lost her baby.
• 3:25:54
  Like, we're supposed to be suggesting that this is this
• 3:25:56
  new, you know, blasted suitcase Universe in one scene we're
• 3:26:02
  supposed to emotionally engaged with that.
• 3:26:03
  And what the fuck is that spoon all about?
• 3:26:05
  I don't understand this and there's always like two much
• 3:26:09
  Peril. The dust is coming past present
• 3:26:11
  future working its way through the time.
• 3:26:14
  Like it's like too much power that you can't even comprehend.
• 3:26:17
  How much power it is. I would, at least give Christian
• 3:26:20
  credit that when he had for flocks destroy half of the
• 3:26:23
  universe, he did then shows somebody in that new universe
• 3:26:26
  and he gave us a good look at what that looked like, in that
• 3:26:30
  Universe, with Belle, in Once Upon Time One sane just doesn't
• 3:26:34
  cut it. You know, I'm not confused at
• 3:26:36
  all and all the things in 2014, so visually unappealing are,
• 3:26:42
  they dull rooms Dusty yellow? It's so boring to look at evil
• 3:26:48
  male was great. So, I'm just a random place now.
• 3:26:50
  Evil male was great, and Bonnie's, the best thing about
• 3:26:53
  this, right? She kills it, it's too far.
• 3:26:55
  She's absolutely chilling as a zombie.
• 3:26:59
  I love the scene in the cafe at the end.
• 3:27:01
  I do get I don't really like that.
• 3:27:04
  I've been cheated for the last seven or eight episodes and it
• 3:27:07
  is a massive letdown but the scene itself is beautifully
• 3:27:10
  written and acted. And that's He should have done
• 3:27:12
  less of the Hyperbole and more of the emotion.
• 3:27:16
  That's what he's good at. So you should have gone more
• 3:27:19
  down that line. So I promising us bangs and
• 3:27:21
  wizards and huge answers. He should have just just right
• 3:27:27
  people, all right, stop writing, big science, fiction arcs, just
• 3:27:30
  right people because that's what you do best.
• 3:27:32
  I'm actually gonna put this through.
• 3:27:34
  I know my opinion doesn't matter but two episodes one and a half
• 3:27:39
  of those episodes are really like half of it.
• 3:27:42
  Unfortunately is absolute dog shit.
• 3:27:45
  But I would put this through because I think I think the
• 3:27:49
  penultimate episode is really and there's great stuff in
• 3:27:53
  Empire of death. Despite the fact it's
• 3:27:56
  disappointing. Okay.
• 3:27:57
  That's right through the comments here at 11, says it's
• 3:28:00
  doing a standard RTD finale build up and unfortunately, that
• 3:28:04
  just doesn't work for me anymore.
• 3:28:05
  So, last decade my expectations were so low.
• 3:28:09
  After this one, Daniel Knight a bit of a dog's breakfast, once
• 3:28:13
  everyone dies. You know, there's going to be a
• 3:28:15
  massive reset at the end. So there's not much tension and
• 3:28:17
  I'm not convinced about the resolution either, but the image
• 3:28:20
  of Mel hugging 60s coat is rather than moving, as if as is
• 3:28:24
  her death or just Gareth Bailey, a build up to a load of dog
• 3:28:28
  Smiths that had no impact. Thanks to the reset of the end,
• 3:28:31
  Ruby near if she meant nothing. Then why the snow in space
• 3:28:36
  babies? It's a bad story.
• 3:28:37
  That delivers nothing plus angry that there was a worst story
• 3:28:41
  them. Boom.
• 3:28:42
  That's actually enjoyable to me. So, Luke seems Jenkins I don't
• 3:28:49
  get the hey, I just think about Mel snuggling with sevens old
• 3:28:53
  sweater vest. Oh, yeah.
• 3:28:55
  And get the warm and fuzzies. The doctor straight up.
• 3:28:58
  Ditching with the end is fucking weird though.
• 3:29:00
  What an asshole. Oh, skip down to Dave.
• 3:29:04
  Renee, Legend is brilliant. I rewatched it up until times
• 3:29:08
  and I was glued to my seat. Then I came along and Russell,
• 3:29:11
  surely dropped the ball, shame. I'm gonna go for Michael storm.
• 3:29:16
  All of a sudden, we are rushed to the climax of the story, our
• 3:29:18
  community that we lose some build up, it starts off easy,
• 3:29:21
  well, but the minute we get into the suitcase Revelation.
• 3:29:24
  It's not an anagram for Fox, Say rapidly goes per shaped from the
• 3:29:29
  outset part to the use of the reset is obvious that god of
• 3:29:32
  death. Cannot such will not kill Ruby
• 3:29:35
  because he doesn't know who her parents are.
• 3:29:37
  What the fuck the reveal of movies on the world and
• 3:29:41
  contradictory to what is God? Big Orange, Michael say, I was
• 3:29:46
  nervous heading into finale because RTD has a tendency of
• 3:29:50
  not sticking The Landing part. One is solid enough, even if it
• 3:29:53
  feels like we're treating a water, a lot until the big
• 3:29:55
  reveal of those behind this Empire feels a bit Hollow and
• 3:29:59
  likes to Tech is too easy to deal with.
• 3:30:01
  I'll give RTD credit for his call back to a classic cereal,
• 3:30:04
  but I didn't points for a disappointing Revolution,
• 3:30:07
  resolution to most of the seasons are threats.
• 3:30:10
  Boo deliveries, my jumping. Off point for you, Bonnie
• 3:30:16
  Langford, gives a better performance and shooting.
• 3:30:18
  I'm not gonna list all the problems with this episode.
• 3:30:20
  There are two many I'll just come back for Battle of grant
• 3:30:25
  school, of course, all this forgetting.
• 3:30:28
  Oh Queen God help us. No wonder Britain is lagging
• 3:30:32
  behind in the AI technological Revolution.
• 3:30:34
  The idea that Susan Triad as portrayed on screen is some kind
• 3:30:38
  of tech, bro, is so laughable. I almost picked up a kidney.
• 3:30:41
  She moves with the grace of a Jerry Anderson, marionette being
• 3:30:45
  worked by a reanimated corpse and sound.
• 3:30:47
  Like she's just about to take an order for two soups.
• 3:30:49
  I know, she's meant to be unknowingly, sorry, knowingly
• 3:30:52
  uncle, but while I believe Bill Reed could captain of space
• 3:30:56
  Creator, Susan, Triad appears to be someone's mad old on let
• 3:30:59
  loose for Comic effect. What about shy the solution to
• 3:31:03
  the mystery of Ruby's mother was dickish even by RTD standards.
• 3:31:06
  A real fuck you to internet fans who invest themselves in the
• 3:31:09
  storyline because RTD let them bother the nose from a Christmas
• 3:31:13
  special onwards. Obviously the solution was
• 3:31:16
  always going to be shit, but this was self-satisfied and
• 3:31:19
  sneering in equal measures. RTD may love the word marvelous.
• 3:31:23
  When he describes elements of Doctor Who usually his own word,
• 3:31:27
  I thought, Better word or three absolute horseshit.
• 3:31:32
  James has been Bennett Legend. What?
• 3:31:34
  Bill this is how you do the first part of a two-part story
• 3:31:37
  and they've already told the whole world there was returning
• 3:31:40
  would have had the mother of all shocks for the audience.
• 3:31:43
  When suspected I didn't know Empire, not the dog's bollocks
• 3:31:48
  but a bollocks, dog. Meaning English driven.
• 3:31:51
  A classic example of how to spaff away the job of the first
• 3:31:55
  part and an explanation. For two Sexes, survival then
• 3:31:59
  made Ainsley's Masters, continual failure to die.
• 3:32:01
  Look well, thought out and the Christmas crappiest end to an
• 3:32:05
  arc since the Moffat area and I will end on Oscar Grouch show
• 3:32:10
  because, you know, we've gone a long journey with 40mm
• 3:32:12
  precedence. Oh, she five minute pre-credits
• 3:32:16
  that rattles through set pieces with the subtlety of a
• 3:32:19
  sledgehammer to headache. The equivalent of unlimited Toby
• 3:32:22
  carvery voucher which promises all it's telling how the climax
• 3:32:26
  of our bold Magic Mouse, who boot ends with an Egyptian.
• 3:32:30
  God devolved into a man. She Greyhound defeated by having
• 3:32:34
  his lead count. So if we didn't read comments
• 3:32:38
  out, but we are currently four hours in Michael.
• 3:32:44
  Please jumping off and David. I am condemning, I there are,
• 3:32:52
  there are things I like about it and I agree with Joe that the
• 3:32:55
  first episode is strong, and there are things that are good
• 3:32:59
  in the second part as well. But I think the things that I
• 3:33:02
  find to be wrong with it, I find so offensively wrong that I
• 3:33:05
  can't put it through, and it's partly the Ruby payoff.
• 3:33:09
  It's not the payoff actually, Ruby's mom.
• 3:33:11
  The payoff is not the problem. It's the setup.
• 3:33:13
  It's entirely the setup. The scene in the cafe is lovely
• 3:33:16
  and have me welling up in the way, exactly.
• 3:33:19
  The way that space babies, didn't I think, but the problem
• 3:33:23
  is that you've added, it's alright to subvert as well.
• 3:33:27
  I think it's a great idea to have everyone wondering and then
• 3:33:29
  it just turned out to be something very human.
• 3:33:31
  But the problem is, you've made it so Supernatural all the way
• 3:33:34
  through. This wasn't something that your
• 3:33:36
  characters have imbued with greater significance.
• 3:33:38
  This is being something where a gold can't see who it is.
• 3:33:42
  This stuff, where what's the snow all about and we get all
• 3:33:45
  this stuff you know commentary from Russell's Davis on the side
• 3:33:47
  as well about all. I think that I'm well someone
• 3:33:50
  has to do the accent. Oh well, I think it was time
• 3:33:52
  time was hiding her face from from the doctor.
• 3:33:56
  I think what would have been great Russell, if any of this
• 3:33:59
  would be in the episode, you can't keep writing the story.
• 3:34:03
  Keep righting. The story in interviews
• 3:34:05
  afterwards. It's a really annoying habit
• 3:34:07
  that you developing and Even but even more than that as well, the
• 3:34:12
  whole resolution about death kills death.
• 3:34:14
  So this this apocalypse that is utterly utterly inescapable, you
• 3:34:19
  just you just Don't do it. Just don't do it.
• 3:34:24
  Yes, it's fine. He's actually just fine.
• 3:34:26
  And I think Rossi Davis has a very bad habit throughout his
• 3:34:29
  writing and Doctor Who have hand waving and sometimes that's
• 3:34:32
  fine. You know, especially if it's a
• 3:34:34
  small detail or you're paying attention to other things.
• 3:34:37
  But when it's your resolution, or when you've spent this long
• 3:34:40
  setting up, it's not good enough to actually just say oh we
• 3:34:45
  through a leader around him and dragged him through the vortex
• 3:34:46
  and then it was all fine. No, I'm sorry.
• 3:34:49
  You have to be smarter than that.
• 3:34:51
  That is because it's, it's treating your audience with a
• 3:34:55
  degree of contempt that they've invested in this, and that's the
• 3:34:58
  payoff, you're giving them. I mean, with of recently, read,
• 3:35:01
  John Hicks, is book about Dr. Who is recently his new book
• 3:35:04
  exterminate which generates a fantastic book, and he's in that
• 3:35:08
  that Russell T Davis. He's being, he's being very kind
• 3:35:11
  in the way he says it says, this is Russell, D-Day, Davis's
• 3:35:14
  resolution's often work symbolically rather than
• 3:35:17
  logically. You think?
• 3:35:19
  Yes, I'd like a little bit of logic to what's coming on
• 3:35:23
  because I just don't follow the rules anymore.
• 3:35:25
  And if it's that, if it was that easy to undo, I don't think it
• 3:35:30
  was that big a problem in the first place, and you've made me.
• 3:35:34
  Dislike the previous episodes more than I did.
• 3:35:38
  Yeah, I'm sorry. It's not good.
• 3:35:43
  Hi. Yeah.
• 3:35:44
  I mean I'll feel that fire then because I think this is, I mean
• 3:35:48
  yeah I think it's quite good up until a Midway point but I think
• 3:35:51
  once you've Tapped Out, you've tapped out and and it gets
• 3:35:55
  really hard to sit through it becomes bulshit off the
• 3:35:59
  bullshit, just constantly got, the Susan cocktails, deaf is
• 3:36:04
  life. Can I borrow a spoon?
• 3:36:09
  Oh, we can't. And that's, and that's the
• 3:36:16
  entire explanation. It's not like a line, but some
• 3:36:19
  something off. It's your entire explanation.
• 3:36:21
  Oh we we can't actually do a DNA test.
• 3:36:24
  We just go to 246, right? Crazy SeaTac be really
• 3:36:29
  interested in Ruby's dead people.
• 3:36:31
  Okay. Wearing a cloak point of the
• 3:36:34
  road sign, she was important because we think she is
• 3:36:38
  important. No, because you fucking told her
• 3:36:40
  she was important. I've never had a problem with
• 3:36:45
  Russell's over finales. Maybe I was just a kid, but I
• 3:36:48
  think they get away with it. Yeah, was this one.
• 3:36:52
  Just doesn't see each other on the Tardis since pyramids?
• 3:36:56
  Oh God, I'll get that Bennett very, very small.
• 3:37:00
  It's just very easily. Fixable isn't it as well, beyond
• 3:37:03
  the makes total sense everything about it.
• 3:37:06
  The season twisting mix till says annoying, the dust cloud
• 3:37:11
  traveling at 100 miles an hour, a second, but mellow, wouldn't
• 3:37:14
  it on a bike and some argument the tower and then go into the
• 3:37:16
  top know, quite like that. and then it's got The audacity to
• 3:37:23
  have Mrs. Flood teeth and more mysteries on the roof top.
• 3:37:27
  That was the point where I felt it in the room at the cinema.
• 3:37:31
  Just after we wanted to be like, why bother why bother?
• 3:37:34
  I've actually been invested in this for eight weeks and it's
• 3:37:37
  been quite fun to be invested in doctor again.
• 3:37:39
  It's been really fun. And then you've just done this
• 3:37:42
  like it. He could be.
• 3:37:43
  And that. Yeah, season two's not done
• 3:37:48
  enough to sort of rebuild that just for me.
• 3:37:52
  Ruby's mom, like, see, can't relate, but if I were really
• 3:37:56
  care about my biological parent and then the line, she says was
• 3:38:01
  Ruby's, mom. Was she says, every Christmas I
• 3:38:04
  thought, right? This is the year, but then every
• 3:38:06
  Christmas I thought, what if she hates me and that's it. what
• 3:38:11
  deadly waste of time, and it's played a little Victorious and
• 3:38:15
  it feels all a bit false and Like it actually would be better
• 3:38:20
  if she was season which is safe. I think if it was related to
• 3:38:29
  Susan it's some white the themes of family and foundings between
• 3:38:33
  Ruby and the doctor would all be nicely.
• 3:38:37
  Summed up and it will come together a bit better, but
• 3:38:39
  that's just me, right? Yeah, a different story.
• 3:38:42
  Yeah, it's just too much, crap. Yeah.
• 3:38:47
  Really the the thing, the moment where I really tipped over with
• 3:38:52
  it was the bit where they go to 240 thingy and, you know,
• 3:38:57
  Russell Russell, he knows what people gonna say he's gonna say,
• 3:38:59
  but wait, but wait a minute basil.
• 3:39:01
  If if the universe was destroyed in 2020 Ford and how can I, how
• 3:39:05
  can we be here in 240? Something, and it all still be
• 3:39:07
  here and the doctor goes, it is suspended in death.
• 3:39:13
  But what do you mean? But when that mean right earlier
• 3:39:18
  in the season he showed us what happens if we leave the guard
• 3:39:21
  now and Shuffle forward, 20 years.
• 3:39:23
  It's all destroyed. He's literally going against
• 3:39:26
  that I can. I asked it all of your hearts
• 3:39:28
  stopped when she went. Oh, that's 73 hours.
• 3:39:31
  I don't you. Don't you remember that?
• 3:39:33
  Don't you dare? Yeah, yeah, that's that not
• 3:39:39
  happening season 2 if in the finale season 3 explained what
• 3:39:43
  she said. She was a story all the time,
• 3:39:47
  really good. But yeah.
• 3:39:50
  Anyway, been pleased. Daniel, do you think well, I
• 3:39:53
  almost want to put it through now because we've been to it.
• 3:39:56
  But, okay, I'll change my mind. So very briefly, I think Joey is
• 3:40:03
  right about Legend of Ruby Sunday, Russell T Davies is a
• 3:40:07
  very good manipulator of audiences.
• 3:40:09
  Kind of like Steven Spielberg in the sense that he really knows
• 3:40:12
  how to get you excited for a finale and putting all those
• 3:40:17
  sort of moving, moving things in place and getting all the
• 3:40:20
  characters back in the same location and doing the sort of a
• 3:40:24
  very Impossible Planet, build up for such X reveal where, you
• 3:40:28
  know, some, yeah, I am the Knight and the terror and the
• 3:40:32
  links and the Bloody blah and and I'll get to the links in a
• 3:40:37
  second. But yeah.
• 3:40:38
  And and so, the first time around I was literally shouting
• 3:40:42
  at the TV, it Suited Standing on high is the mother
• 3:41:17
  and father and mother of the whole whatever it is.
• 3:41:23
  Here it comes for the god of oh God's angels and his names are
• 3:41:29
  made. Is set.
• 3:41:33
  And Seth. And set up all and one.
• 3:41:47
  Like and so when the anagram or whatever finally connects, you
• 3:41:51
  know, it was great. So yeah, the links so they made
• 3:41:55
  such a huge deal out of links. I don't I I'm not one of those
• 3:41:59
  annoying fans who goes, oh, why didn't they explain what the
• 3:42:02
  links was for and no. Not that.
• 3:42:04
  The problem is, is you make such a big deal about him and he's
• 3:42:07
  got this Throne that he sits on and I was thinking, oh well this
• 3:42:11
  is, this is the suitcase thing of, you know, him like him
• 3:42:14
  experiments and Mars sitting on a throne.
• 3:42:16
  And the links is gonna turn out to be suited and I thought that
• 3:42:19
  would be such a sort of great Twist of, you know, a real twist
• 3:42:23
  at the end is that the links this innocuous, you know, unit
• 3:42:27
  drone has been suited all along but no, he's a dog instead.
• 3:42:32
  So I mean quite like so the problem with the The problem
• 3:42:40
  with Empire of death, one of the problems with Empire of Dev is
• 3:42:42
  the positioning of the Cliffhanger.
• 3:42:44
  So the reveal of sutekh is quite exciting, but it I think if you
• 3:42:49
  if you the reason it's all the Trent, the tension drains out at
• 3:42:54
  the beginning is, you know, Kate Stewart and Kate Stewart and
• 3:42:57
  Company, get sort of turn to dust and she has that quite
• 3:43:01
  awful line about. Oh the the hope there will be
• 3:43:04
  bird song and bird song, We'll sing it.
• 3:43:07
  You know, I think if you if you if that was the Cliffhanger.
• 3:43:12
  If if the Cliffhanger was Kate Stewart, Carla Cherry, you know,
• 3:43:18
  Mrs, flood all die, all get killed off, I think.
• 3:43:21
  And then you open up and you kind of end with the doctor
• 3:43:24
  screaming into the void, that it's all his full and then you
• 3:43:27
  open on shooting in the Wasteland with the woman and the
• 3:43:30
  spoon, which I think is actually quite a sort of very Rusty,
• 3:43:34
  Davies, way of sort of scaling down the scale of everything to
• 3:43:38
  a very human. domestic thing and I agree, we needed more probably
• 3:43:42
  more scenes like that, but if you opened Empire of death on
• 3:43:45
  that, he would be so much more haunting and you know, Yeah, I
• 3:43:52
  don't like Doctor Who giving me homework.
• 3:43:54
  That's the other problem with this is that, you know, they
• 3:43:57
  literally watch pyramids of Mars on a, on an iPad.
• 3:44:01
  And, you know, and all these, all these new fans that you've
• 3:44:05
  brought on board. They're not gonna know who
• 3:44:06
  suitcase. And, and you're now saying, oh,
• 3:44:09
  you need to watch the tails in the Tardis and because, you
• 3:44:12
  know, explain everything and and, you know, this is what
• 3:44:15
  you're supposed to do in the episode.
• 3:44:17
  And yeah, so check on the Tardis, I mean, he's been on the
• 3:44:21
  tar. That you're right, Luke.
• 3:44:23
  He should have been coming in on through, wild blue yonder with
• 3:44:27
  the, you know, the the line the rules of the universe have been
• 3:44:30
  broken and something slips through, but no he apparently he
• 3:44:33
  was here 49 years. So you know he was he he was on
• 3:44:38
  the Tardis when it was turned pink in the happiness Patrol.
• 3:44:40
  He was on the Tardis. Where'd Captain Jack was
• 3:44:43
  hitching? A ride?
• 3:44:43
  Which means this season twists and Clara is just everywhere.
• 3:44:47
  He would, you know, he was, he was There during the no sir.
• 3:44:53
  All 13 scene in Day of the Doctor and when Amy and Rory
• 3:44:56
  were fucking in the Tardis in the bag.
• 3:45:00
  I won't go on. I kind of like the fact they're
• 3:45:02
  shooting. Causing which is quite funny but
• 3:45:05
  but and I do like here him and Mel's kind of escape on the
• 3:45:09
  moped at the beginning where she's like hop on cowboy and you
• 3:45:12
  know, that's that's quite nice. Um and yeah, I I just think.
• 3:45:17
  Yeah. And you get to the end and again
• 3:45:19
  yes we've all discussed the the scene with with Ruby and her mom
• 3:45:25
  and that is very touching and then yeah, the episode goes on.
• 3:45:27
  And the thing that doesn't work is the goodbye scene in the
• 3:45:31
  Tardis where yeah, Murray gold is really doing a lot of the
• 3:45:35
  heavy lifting here, and, you know, if that scene had been
• 3:45:38
  silent, maybe it would have had more impact.
• 3:45:41
  But and I know James hadwin Bennett made the, the comparison
• 3:45:45
  at the beginning, that Ruby was kind of Rose from temu, but, um,
• 3:45:49
  but I mean, it is quite it is very reminiscent of the ending
• 3:45:54
  from doomsday where the blonde companion has to say goodbye to
• 3:45:58
  the doctor and she says I love you and he doesn't say it back.
• 3:46:01
  I mean, it's completely different context but you know,
• 3:46:03
  just doesn't make sense. That's amazing because he can
• 3:46:07
  just come and get a month. It's even worse today.
• 3:46:12
  Find her as well if she's like easy to find, it's not like it.
• 3:46:20
  What shows from Ruby road again? It is sort of like, oh, some
• 3:46:24
  people don't exist on the date of Base, sort of thing.
• 3:46:27
  It's sort of explained. Yeah, and I don't want to, I
• 3:46:31
  don't want to be too. I don't, I don't want to be
• 3:46:33
  overly dramatic on on the things that are wrong with it, because
• 3:46:36
  I do think some, I remember I noticed at the time I broadcast,
• 3:46:40
  a lot of fans were kind of being very hyperbolic but but it is
• 3:46:45
  not a good episode, it's just not very good and, and yeah, the
• 3:46:50
  finale taking together. There are some great moments,
• 3:46:52
  but out of all his finale is, I forgive a lot of RTD RTD isms,
• 3:46:58
  but that one is is very egregious and it just you get,
• 3:47:02
  you get a sense that well, how much have you actually learned
• 3:47:05
  Russell from, you know, 20 years ago.
• 3:47:08
  It was just so public. We were all watching it in
• 3:47:12
  cinema. So you just think you could have
• 3:47:15
  had SeaTac walking through the snow on Ruby Road like the old.
• 3:47:19
  So that's just what I mean each wouldn't it?
• 3:47:22
  Yes, yes, no that would work. Yeah, um yeah yeah.
• 3:47:26
  So I don't have too much to say about it actually it's just Not
• 3:47:29
  worth getting to exercise so yeah been with leaves me with
• 3:47:35
  bubble then. Okay alright nothing
• 3:47:37
  controversial about that one at. All right.
• 3:47:45
  So for me, it's straight out the gate, this and 73 yards are the
• 3:47:51
  two best toys of the, of the Year by a mile.
• 3:47:53
  They are the only two that makes me feel like I'm immersed in the
• 3:47:56
  story and not sort of on some sort of superficial or watching
• 3:48:01
  it feel window or something like that.
• 3:48:02
  I like, I'm fully in with these two stories.
• 3:48:06
  I think people that say, oh, this is just black mirror but
• 3:48:09
  not as good. Absolutely missing the point of
• 3:48:12
  it. I think this misdirection is if
• 3:48:15
  it's going to be a black mirror or social College.
• 3:48:17
  That's what I did to me. The first time, you think okay,
• 3:48:20
  bubble on the head people in the bubble.
• 3:48:21
  Yeah. This is like Black Mirror but
• 3:48:23
  done on the cheap sort of thing, how Miss Direction.
• 3:48:27
  But you're looking at that and absolutely missing the
• 3:48:29
  unconscious bias races in which you know, for me.
• 3:48:34
  Absolutely. She say worked, it worked in
• 3:48:38
  that I didn't know it until right at the end when it you get
• 3:48:43
  a really shocking. Blow specifically when she says
• 3:48:47
  about the day was when it really hit me and I and it was a shock
• 3:48:52
  of just like, oh well go in there.
• 3:48:54
  Doctor Who's going there? And I know what's today was set
• 3:48:58
  on on the unleash that you wouldn't expect because it's in
• 3:49:00
  the future. And I actually think this is all
• 3:49:02
  very well thought out it. It's probably a racism story for
• 3:49:08
  white people. So I can see why you can.
• 3:49:10
  You can get stuck there but I think it makes what?
• 3:49:17
  Well, it made me think. And I can only talk from me.
• 3:49:19
  It made me think about it. The fact that noticed it and
• 3:49:23
  then you go back and it's so obvious.
• 3:49:25
  All these little Things that she's saying specifically to the
• 3:49:28
  doctor and she's slightly means to be, but there's a clear,
• 3:49:31
  there's a clear. Divide and have everything she
• 3:49:35
  says and does and looks Lindy pepper to talk about.
• 3:49:40
  Is recontextualized as oh God she's she's actually just hates
• 3:49:45
  black people but I didn't spot that the first time on something
• 3:49:49
  that you know you sit there about is a racism story for
• 3:49:53
  white people. I'm not, I don't think I'm being
• 3:49:56
  controversial to say, I think we need that now more than ever.
• 3:50:00
  We need that mirror held right up in front of our faces.
• 3:50:04
  Well, that's good. Fucking.
• 3:50:05
  Look at how terrible we can be as white people.
• 3:50:09
  And after years of doctor, Sledgehammer Sledgehammer,
• 3:50:13
  politics half my words. Just go to this side.
• 3:50:16
  So, let's have a politics in your face, both in RTD2 and
• 3:50:21
  she'll this feels subtle, you know.
• 3:50:24
  This feels like I will actually listen, I will actually like,
• 3:50:28
  think about things more because it is a bit more subtle.
• 3:50:31
  It does creep up on you and it does make you question, what you
• 3:50:34
  didn't? Spot It.
• 3:50:38
  I think it's really good. It's, I mean, it's also got the
• 3:50:41
  sort of Season 20s and 25 cart now.
• 3:50:46
  Sorry Season, 34 cartel Paradise, Towers thing going on,
• 3:50:50
  which makes it sort of spoof. Really, sci-fi, I love the big
• 3:50:52
  slugs. Love big slugs.
• 3:50:54
  That's exactly what I want for Doctor Who it's just people walk
• 3:50:58
  into their mouths because they're so obsessed with that.
• 3:51:01
  Yeah, it's really it's a, you know, it's a bonus that it's
• 3:51:05
  happening. So there's a bad people.
• 3:51:06
  But, yeah, that's great. I will just talk about Liberty
• 3:51:10
  for a second because we got a doctor, like story, and we'll
• 3:51:15
  see, Davis, Dr. Like stories, the very like, focused on a new
• 3:51:18
  character and we've had Alan Pope and we've had Sally Starr,
• 3:51:21
  right. And this is the first one that's
• 3:51:23
  an actual anti hit. Well, not even Auntie her a
• 3:51:26
  baddie. That is brand new.
• 3:51:28
  That is brand new for Doctor Who we've and the horrible
• 3:51:32
  characters are just more interesting to watch and I felt
• 3:51:35
  genuinely sympathetic tools the first time.
• 3:51:37
  What should it for the first 20 minutes?
• 3:51:39
  Like, when she walks into the table and stuff made me laugh, I
• 3:51:42
  was getting on side of her. So everything about this script
• 3:51:46
  worked on me and it's probably who it was designed for and then
• 3:51:50
  she turns on Wiki September. This is our, you know that.
• 3:51:54
  It's like, that's because it's the highlight of the episode,
• 3:51:56
  but two minutes later, you actually get the Highlight.
• 3:51:58
  Am I wrong in saying that the lion c comes before?
• 3:52:01
  P is the best moment of that entire season.
• 3:52:05
  I just was like, I can't believe she's doing this.
• 3:52:09
  I don't think I didn't make sure Overlook they're just stupid
• 3:52:13
  mechanics of all of it that they are, is crazy.
• 3:52:16
  It's looks to hunt enough that Lord really slowly, you know,
• 3:52:19
  not bother. Because that moment it's just
• 3:52:20
  worth it. It's just sells.
• 3:52:23
  It was a selfish rotten piece of work, and then obviously get
• 3:52:27
  that end in. And it's all like, horrible and
• 3:52:30
  a bit sweet because she do want to die, but the whole thing is
• 3:52:34
  all. And it's so cause there's so
• 3:52:35
  many sort of complexity, so many layers going on, the Brilliant.
• 3:52:40
  And then sure all the people talk about it more, he's music.
• 3:52:43
  Definitely the best piece of music.
• 3:52:44
  He's done for the show since he's been back.
• 3:52:46
  And it just sells the Heartbreak of the doctor, the horrific
• 3:52:49
  journey of this whole thing. The helplessness, it's
• 3:52:52
  brilliant. And it's sci-fi, and it's Doctor
• 3:52:56
  Who Yeah billion. Will go out and we'll tame this
• 3:53:02
  planet. Oh my God, there's so many
• 3:53:04
  layers to this. The comments.
• 3:53:08
  Let's see if anyone likes this thing.
• 3:53:12
  Oh, hang on. I'm not really what they can.
• 3:53:17
  So we've got Andy Parkinson. If last week was dark this one
• 3:53:22
  looks light and fluffy but it's anything but Lindy's betrayal of
• 3:53:25
  Ricky and then his death is shocking.
• 3:53:27
  I can't think of anything more Graphics in condo in brain of
• 3:53:31
  morbius. A brilliant piece of Doctor Who
• 3:53:33
  either this or 70 or should win keep it.
• 3:53:36
  Oh, queen says, hey kids, social media makes you shallow an
• 3:53:40
  inane, media non-job in and influence that influences have
• 3:53:45
  nothing of interest to say ever and racism is not cool.
• 3:53:49
  Thanks Uncle Russell next week. Did you know?
• 3:53:52
  Climate change is a bad, just I think it is.
• 3:53:55
  So I love how it starts. You got that.
• 3:53:59
  It's Easy steps under his really ugly.
• 3:54:06
  I mean what about Dr? P.
• 3:54:11
  They're kind of ugly and morally, they're extremely ugly.
• 3:54:17
  Brendan Jones showing us the ugly, stupid mirror of bigotry
• 3:54:21
  and how it's fed to us the uncritical consumption which
• 3:54:25
  inserts that are invited. I'm gonna struggle with these
• 3:54:28
  cards though. It's like quartz but the twist,
• 3:54:31
  the AI has got. So sick of us a consumers into
• 3:54:35
  is forgive me, delicious, the modern day, happiness, Patrol
• 3:54:39
  Big, Orange Michael, yeah. Another story with limited seeds
• 3:54:44
  with a doctoral Ruby. But I think it works more
• 3:54:47
  effectively than the 73 yards RTD really manages to make some
• 3:54:50
  fascinating points without feeling like we're being
• 3:54:53
  lectured to with this one. Michael storm starts off.
• 3:54:57
  Almost like arcade is having a Neil esque old, man.
• 3:55:00
  Sneakers at young people left. So with the dash, it black
• 3:55:02
  mirror in the climax, is well, see out, and his obvious,
• 3:55:05
  obviously, a Terrence, dicks is best since that's not me, he
• 3:55:13
  might be late for him as well. He would He would have been on
• 3:55:22
  the side of the races, but a few friends.
• 3:55:26
  Phil, the black writer should have at least given this a
• 3:55:29
  once-over. I think deliveries 6 as well.
• 3:55:32
  Steph destroyer of worlds, nicely done, even if two doctor
• 3:55:37
  lights in a row Feels Like Blood Bad Planet.
• 3:55:39
  I don't know. People say about, I don't
• 3:55:40
  actually think this Is probably doctor lies enough of them.
• 3:55:44
  I think it's the ending heavy-handed possibly but it
• 3:55:47
  probably needs to be these days. One of the more memorable
• 3:55:50
  episodes of the series Edward could reach such an unusual
• 3:55:53
  premise, that it shouldn't work but it does with a lead
• 3:55:56
  character that's allowed to be unlikely.
• 3:55:58
  I think he's unlikable with a leak character.
• 3:56:02
  That's allowed to be unlikable. Pretty much all the ones he
• 3:56:10
  flexing his muscles around us how well he understands the
• 3:56:13
  medium and exemplary use visual storytelling to force.
• 3:56:17
  Its target audience, to confront aspects of the cells.
• 3:56:19
  They may not like yeah, Oscar Groucho all well in a bar in
• 3:56:25
  Barbie pastel colors. Cali cook, is this generation's
• 3:56:28
  carry Mulligan? The code was one of the boldest
• 3:56:33
  pieces of drama doctor was done in many a year, a decalogue.
• 3:56:37
  Short story, writ, large Luke. I'm so sorry.
• 3:56:40
  No. I'd like this one delivery.
• 3:56:42
  It's a big. It's a big.
• 3:56:44
  I will just say Kelly Cook. Fantastic.
• 3:56:46
  So and she committed to being such a monster as well.
• 3:56:50
  Fantastic, Dylan Beast. Looks like it's a shet and he's
• 3:56:54
  got a shit I drop for what's time.
• 3:56:56
  Now, this episode makes a lot more sense when you realize it
• 3:57:00
  was a abandoned storyline for a Matt Smith episode.
• 3:57:02
  And the twist was, they wouldn't go with the doctor because he
• 3:57:05
  didn't have any followers. Using the doctors races, a plot
• 3:57:08
  twist is deeply offensive. This episode will be talked
• 3:57:11
  about in hush tones in years to come, probably buy all those
• 3:57:15
  people that are watching the doctors race should be explored
• 3:57:18
  by a black. Right to give this some serious
• 3:57:20
  nuanced and life experience rtd's comments, elsewhere saying
• 3:57:24
  that everyone should have realized it was about race
• 3:57:26
  because everyone's white is also deeply problematic and really is
• 3:57:30
  the Victor of just as many microaggressions as the thing
• 3:57:34
  that's true. This is the single worst episode
• 3:57:37
  in the shows history written by a white knight, who is never
• 3:57:41
  been so irrelevant of torch. The trouble with that comment,
• 3:57:46
  right? Is he absolutely loves Rosa,
• 3:57:49
  right? And Ryan's the color of Ryan's
• 3:57:53
  skin is used as a plot point in that story.
• 3:57:55
  Like, I just think you can pick and choose if you don't like a
• 3:57:58
  particular era, you know. Yeah.
• 3:58:00
  I like those, do it as well. Yeah, that help.
• 3:58:03
  Yeah. No.
• 3:58:05
  I a great High concept episode with a clever way to include the
• 3:58:08
  doctor when you lead actress working on another show.
• 3:58:10
  Lindy's seemingly being set up as a new Sally Sparrow until the
• 3:58:14
  end where she's revealed to be Barbie.
• 3:58:16
  Ferrage after which, for once the doctor's tears are
• 3:58:20
  Justified, Here, Luke Sims Jenkins.
• 3:58:24
  Amazing with an unforgettable ending.
• 3:58:26
  It doesn't have much hope for the future though.
• 3:58:28
  It does it, do you want to do this through to the end or do
• 3:58:32
  you want to? I might just pick and choose the
• 3:58:34
  next. Okay.
• 3:58:34
  All right. I'll do Nathan's Nathan,
• 3:58:36
  possibly a brilliant episode that critiques.
• 3:58:39
  Its audience. It looks like it's going to be
• 3:58:40
  horrendous reactionary. Take on how dumb kids are and
• 3:58:44
  how they're always on their phones, but ends up being so
• 3:58:46
  much cleverer Than People regularly experiencing racism.
• 3:58:50
  Recognize, what was? Oh that's like but ends up being
• 3:58:54
  so much cleverer than that. People regularly experiencing
• 3:58:57
  racism recognize what was happening at once.
• 3:58:59
  The rest of us took a bit longer to Cotton On a brilliant.
• 3:59:03
  If brief performance by shooting and utterly loaf, some villain
• 3:59:07
  in Lindy and the joy of watching, lots of privileged
• 3:59:10
  racist. Shit, heads being by Giants
• 3:59:12
  slugs. What's not to love?
• 3:59:14
  I it's fun when they're not racists saved in growth first.
• 3:59:22
  Great episode. My favorite of the Season fell
• 3:59:24
  like Black Mirror. Charlie Brooker should be
• 3:59:26
  showing. This should have been the first
• 3:59:29
  time. The Doctor Who Cried, Bill
• 3:59:31
  powerful though isn't David GP says excellent.
• 3:59:35
  And I wish to twist at the end, haven't been spoiled.
• 3:59:37
  Good drama triggers discussion, sometimes uncomfortable to such
• 3:59:41
  discussion and this episode did just that and not giving all the
• 3:59:44
  answers leaves room for interpretation.
• 3:59:49
  A done Hollingsworth loved bubble as it didn't hold back
• 3:59:52
  and its targets with the bonus point for upsetting.
• 3:59:55
  The kind of Doctor Who fans who need upsetting.
• 3:59:58
  I believe what I'm finally James hadwin Bennett take the gulf
• 4:00:03
  Gulf of fractions, from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
• 4:00:05
  2. Wow, bagger from Hitchcock's
• 4:00:08
  hitchhiker scars to the Galaxy 2 and throw in the whitest version
• 4:00:12
  of racism is bad ever. I was cheering on the Monsters.
• 4:00:19
  And I thought it was a vitriolic rant from Luke, but no.
• 4:00:26
  It doesn't bother. I mean, we did a whole episode
• 4:00:27
  of this on the podcast Joe but I I think I'll put it through.
• 4:00:31
  I think inevitably I've seen another been very different
• 4:00:35
  feelings about how it's deals with its subject matter.
• 4:00:38
  I think whenever you're gonna deal with something that is that
• 4:00:41
  country that is that contractor, that does have that strength of
• 4:00:45
  feeling behind it. It's inevitable that you can get
• 4:00:46
  a priority of opinions to it. For me, I I thought it was
• 4:00:52
  effective. I I felt like the the
• 4:00:56
  provocation to the audience, then, you know, the visibility
• 4:00:58
  of racism. It struck me as being fair as a
• 4:01:02
  white man, I think there's an argument that's actually a story
• 4:01:04
  about white people's blindness to racism perhaps more than it
• 4:01:07
  is. Anything else but of course, I
• 4:01:11
  think the real Twist of the story is, is actually the thing
• 4:01:14
  that really shocks you at the moment.
• 4:01:15
  I think more than anything. If you take a step back is that
• 4:01:18
  it it's Doctor Who engaging with that subject.
• 4:01:21
  So explicitly and, you know, it's not it's not, it's not, you
• 4:01:25
  know, the targets and the Ming monks it's actually explicitly
• 4:01:29
  confronting racism. And I think that I thought that
• 4:01:33
  was really Brave. I think it worked really well.
• 4:01:35
  Obviously opinions may may vary and there's no one right?
• 4:01:39
  There's no right answer, obviously, but I like that it's
• 4:01:42
  provoked that much debate about it as well.
• 4:01:44
  So I think that's what it's trying to do is trying to get us
• 4:01:46
  to talk about something that that sci-fi and popular sci-fi
• 4:01:49
  often just try to mediate and sort of sucks.
• 4:01:52
  So it, you know, the Star Trek episode with the people with the
• 4:01:55
  black one. Half black face one, half white
• 4:01:57
  face, you know, so I see is like to hold it to their chest to go.
• 4:02:01
  Look we deal with serious subjects but you're not really.
• 4:02:05
  Are you you're pointing to those things that exist.
• 4:02:08
  You're not you're not Engaging with it making anyone
• 4:02:10
  uncomfortable. So I I'll put it through Daniel,
• 4:02:16
  please. Well, I mean, a lot of people
• 4:02:20
  have already said more intelligent comments than me,
• 4:02:24
  but but I think it's in in a few short points.
• 4:02:27
  I think this works best as a blunt instrument in the sense
• 4:02:32
  that you, you, you, you follow this, this.
• 4:02:36
  Yes. Get off my lawn kids about
• 4:02:38
  social media and it does make a few interesting points.
• 4:02:40
  I really love that, that moment where Lindy literally walks into
• 4:02:44
  a Lamppost because she's so focused on her bubble done that
• 4:02:47
  Daniel, I've done that. We've all done it.
• 4:02:49
  And, you know, we don't want to admit it but we've all done it.
• 4:02:52
  So they can't even walk properly because they're literally always
• 4:02:55
  on their social media things. And the worst part of social
• 4:03:00
  media is that very kind of infantilizing thing.
• 4:03:03
  It does to adults to grow up people where they have all these
• 4:03:07
  really unbearably tween names, like hoochy, pie and Gothic pool
• 4:03:11
  and Kirsty, bookkeeper and and Lindy pepper bean.
• 4:03:15
  And, and just, you know, all the These kind of very cute sea, you
• 4:03:19
  know, happy positive forced positivity, kind of personas and
• 4:03:23
  behind the people. These people are just nasty and
• 4:03:27
  racists and and it's literally a social bubble more than a social
• 4:03:32
  media bubble. So they are so sort of
• 4:03:35
  privileged and white and they were the cameras really, really
• 4:03:38
  close to their face. Well to Lindy's pepper beans
• 4:03:41
  face. So we get all these really
• 4:03:43
  unflattering angles of her and the fact that yeah, it's it is a
• 4:03:48
  what they would call a Fearless performance, which they usually
• 4:03:51
  only use for when people get naked, but no, this is in terms
• 4:03:54
  of an emotional performance, the fact that she, she plays the she
• 4:03:59
  plays it. You kind as, as Luke said you,
• 4:04:02
  you have you kind of sympathize with her, her plight, her
• 4:04:05
  Jeopardy little bit, but she is also ride on that line of being
• 4:04:09
  just annoying and obnoxious, and, and horrible enough to
• 4:04:13
  that. You never quite get there.
• 4:04:15
  And of course, then the twist at the End because there is one is,
• 4:04:20
  yeah, is is fully comes into focus.
• 4:04:23
  And again, if you know, audiences that are more
• 4:04:28
  Discerning than me, picked up on it immediately.
• 4:04:30
  So, and this whole argument that, you know, well, he, he
• 4:04:37
  should have brought in a black writer.
• 4:04:38
  I mean, I won't, I won't dismiss that argument because I do think
• 4:04:42
  that they had. There are cases where that would
• 4:04:44
  probably be. That has been done that, right?
• 4:04:46
  And that has been done. Yes with Mallory Blackman I
• 4:04:50
  think in the Chipmunk Warrior so and and demons of the Punjab and
• 4:04:54
  the story in the engine absolutely or in the engine yes
• 4:04:58
  which gave such a positive appraisal of what it's like to
• 4:05:02
  be immersed in that culture. Right?
• 4:05:05
  Yeah, exactly. And but also you know I mean
• 4:05:07
  artists, I mean we we shouldn't really tell, you know, artists,
• 4:05:13
  they have no right to make a story.
• 4:05:15
  It reminds me a lot of when Martin School Daisy made
• 4:05:18
  silence, which is a film about, you know, the Portuguese.
• 4:05:23
  Portuguese Orthodox trying to bring religion to Japan.
• 4:05:27
  And anyway, um, you know, people going it.
• 4:05:29
  But crawls the whole media storm about how he had no right to
• 4:05:32
  make that movie when, you know, it's it's the, the the story is
• 4:05:38
  still valid. I mean it, the Storyteller can
• 4:05:40
  change, but the story we shouldn't we shouldn't deprive
• 4:05:44
  people from telling stories. Anyway, this is just a very long
• 4:05:48
  wind with long winded that way of saying that yeah, it makes
• 4:05:51
  its Point very bluntly and very effectively I think and so that
• 4:05:55
  performance at the end when shooting just Howls with rage.
• 4:05:59
  Because he's just so frustrated that the doctor could the dog,
• 4:06:04
  the doctor eat, the doctor's race is fully acknowledged.
• 4:06:07
  It reminds me a bit of of the witch, finders where Jody's
• 4:06:11
  gender is really acknowledged front and center.
• 4:06:13
  And, and yeah, it just it's some It's very, it's very powerful.
• 4:06:20
  So, um, yeah, put it through I, Believe.
• 4:06:26
  Oh, Dylan assembled, a mass of information from Black people
• 4:06:34
  that were appalled with this episode, I believe that was
• 4:06:37
  gonna be his argument against this episode.
• 4:06:40
  Now, I went online, I found I was probably as many comments in
• 4:06:44
  the other direction. It was people of color that
• 4:06:46
  thought this was it was really good to hold up.
• 4:06:50
  This mirror to the majority audience watching to have a
• 4:06:55
  good. Look at how people behave.
• 4:06:59
  But the important thing is, yeah, it's not too people
• 4:07:03
  putting together. Some ridiculous argument for a
• 4:07:06
  podcast is that this episode got people talking about the issue,
• 4:07:10
  whether you liked it or whether you don't like it.
• 4:07:13
  It got people talking about racism about, microaggressions
• 4:07:17
  about how people are treated about the unfairness of it, all
• 4:07:21
  about how it rational is. So important and I think this is
• 4:07:26
  what I expected from Rusty Davis.
• 4:07:27
  Come back to not some fucking dog on a lead, being dragged
• 4:07:31
  from the time Vortex, it was him making powerful jinkx Monsoon.
• 4:07:35
  This, you know, making powerful statements about the world today
• 4:07:39
  through a science fiction lens in a really emotional powerful
• 4:07:43
  way. This is, this is the rusty
• 4:07:45
  Davis. I love, this is the guy that
• 4:07:47
  wrote a very English Scandal and years and years between RTD one
• 4:07:52
  and I'll see two. And, you know, like we've
• 4:07:55
  written off a couple of episodes.
• 4:07:56
  He's ridden this shit, space babies Empire of death but on
• 4:08:00
  form 73 yards dot bubble man. He's the best writer we've ever
• 4:08:04
  had. Yeah and this.
• 4:08:06
  Yeah right well I mean yeah I do want to chip in a bit because
• 4:08:10
  because I have been a bit. I'll shut it throughout this
• 4:08:14
  throughout this whole thing other yeah.
• 4:08:17
  Like he still great and I still love what he brings this show.
• 4:08:20
  Like I think he's out a few misses short.
• 4:08:24
  But I do like having a proper showman for doctor.
• 4:08:28
  He is quite openly like communication and you know, I
• 4:08:33
  think we forget because it's just been a episode.
• 4:08:35
  So you know, it doesn't stuff like bring back the problems and
• 4:08:38
  forth. Other things just there was a
• 4:08:43
  just like A bit when this series was on with doctors who did
• 4:08:47
  actually feel like it was quite going up there again, no Empire
• 4:08:50
  of death. Then, I literally was a
• 4:08:53
  different point, but he, yeah, I, I think he's great, you know,
• 4:08:57
  I think he's great. Well, and I think he's really
• 4:08:59
  bolt. As much as I think, like,
• 4:09:01
  serious too has been a rehash of old ideas, and I really does
• 4:09:04
  feel that way. He does.
• 4:09:05
  Try lots of things though and I really like that, I really
• 4:09:08
  thought that this season they've been willing to try lots of
• 4:09:11
  different. Yeah, whatever they work or
• 4:09:13
  whether they've landed on or not.
• 4:09:14
  That's entirely subject. I think he's great.
• 4:09:17
  Do I want to stay past see some too?
• 4:09:19
  No, maybe not. No.
• 4:09:21
  I think he might, he might be Dumbarton.
• 4:09:23
  He's just wanted to do as many as Mafia.
• 4:09:26
  I think that's probably, I think the twist of Lindy killing Ricky
• 4:09:34
  is the single best singer of the Season.
• 4:09:36
  It I remember watching it on the night and going.
• 4:09:39
  So what this is good, I get that there's a message here about
• 4:09:42
  social media. That's saying just floored me.
• 4:09:45
  Yeah, so the same way the Twisted lucky Daye totally
• 4:09:49
  flawed me, you know, and you just you can't recapture those
• 4:09:53
  moments. They are precious those moments
• 4:09:56
  where you just wanna jump out. You're seeing go, oh my God,
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  what fucking God. And the fact that the dog goes
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  right through here, She comes down the ladder and saw smooth
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  herself out to present herself. Well, to a racist friends, and
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  just all puts on this childish face.
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  Like, she's done, nothing wrong at all.
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  It's unbelievable. Oh my God.
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  And it's funny too, because it's like, it's almost like a doctor
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  companion Dynamic where Ricky September saves her from the
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  Slugs and he holds he takes a hand and he's like, okay, if I
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  hold your hand and and she's so sort of, you know, besotted by
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  him and then yes, she just gives him up like he's nothing.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean, there's there are Clues. So what a monster she is this.
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  This exchange for example, I thought this was the worst to
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  have my life but perhaps it's the best and then Ricky
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  September goes, there are still thousands of people being eaten
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  alive. You know, she has no perception
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  outside of her bubble outside of her Echo chamber.
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  Does she? But of course, it's the last
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  scene. That's why I would put this for
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  more than anything. It's raw, and it's angry and
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  it's brutal. The utter blindness of The
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  racism there on the screen, the cynical ending that they would
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  rather sail off to their depths than help except help from a
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  black man. It's just Insanity, isn't it?
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  And you're literally go and she's there with a look of us a
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  smugness on her face of like yeah I don't need you I need to
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  look at her like oh God like you're gonna die.
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  It's I feel so many conflicted emotions on that.
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  On another level, you can watch this again and then spot all the
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  microaggressions. This has rewatchability as well,
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  and I love the visual palette of as well.
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  The bubble gum pastels. Yeah, that's the sort of the
• 4:11:51
  weird future Tech and all the direct.
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  It's no shock that the director of this.
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  And so three yards, still in homes.
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  Williams has been asked to do another Dylan ha.
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  Yeah. It's been asked to be the war
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  between the London. You are because these, these are
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  the two highlights for even from a, just a visual point of view,
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  I think of this season. And I think the final shot is,
• 4:12:16
  is very significant, is the doctor steps back into the
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  child. This and closes the door on this
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  world. Why he moves on he travels on?
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  But he is like, no, I'm not having any of that in my Tardis.
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  He closes that door on that. It's very significant.
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  Yeah, I do love having a villainess utterly irredeemable
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  as well, you know? Yeah, that's just all.
• 4:12:38
  So that's all sort of insta. Perfect is only let down by the
• 4:12:44
  fact that they're on those soggy Cardiff streets.
• 4:12:46
  They try and slap it was all over.
• 4:12:49
  It says, it says there's a rainstorm fine time, right?
• 4:12:53
  It's a proper clause of ideally, this would be, you know, San
• 4:12:59
  Francisco or something. Like I absolutely Blissful
• 4:13:02
  Sunshine. Beautiful, you know.
• 4:13:03
  But hey, and I have all these devil these lines about.
• 4:13:06
  Well, they have this thing about, oh, we party.
• 4:13:08
  Where do you? I mean, just the one line pitch,
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  right? I'll be ugly, slugs, eat
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  Embraces. I mean, it's just go gold.
• 4:13:20
  So over and I was in we are and I would put some cards as well.
• 4:13:27
  We are round two. So any two stories, hit the bin.
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  That was Rogue and the legendary and the island of the Season.
• 4:13:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:13:37
  When it all got good to come to someone like that.
• 4:13:40
  So the church and we'll be Road space babies.
• 4:13:43
  The devil's called boom seven feet and Biggie's in there,
• 4:13:49
  right? So we've got Boom vs.
• 4:13:57
  The devil's chord. The devil's chord.
• 4:14:02
  The devil's chord. The devil's chord.
• 4:14:05
  Oh, that was called for me as well.
• 4:14:08
  So boom. Yeah, boom, goes shooting.
• 4:14:11
  Oh, nice about sticker as well. The base babies versus the
• 4:14:21
  church on Ruby Rose. Oh well, of course, space
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  babies. Oh, the soul.
• 4:14:27
  The church on Ruby. if I understood that rope, Were you
• 4:14:34
  going to be Road? I am.
• 4:14:35
  I'm going space, baby. Space babies.
• 4:14:41
  I'm going space babies. now, you got Devil's cool versus
• 4:15:05
  Start stop bubble for me. Wow, I'm controversial with
• 4:15:11
  being tonight. I know what have we got left in
• 4:15:14
  the pan and then we've got 73 yards, space, babies and
• 4:15:19
  daughter. Oh, All About Us.
• 4:15:23
  Good, we have broke it now. The four and a half hours in
• 4:15:30
  getting up in you, boring current girlfriend.
• 4:15:41
  Poppies, very cute. It's not.
• 4:15:51
  Know. It's not.
• 4:15:57
  Yeah, I don't bubble walk away from these together so yeah so I
• 4:16:03
  knew it was gonna come down so and and these are the two just
• 4:16:08
  stand up. There is ironically, no twist at
• 4:16:13
  the end for the first time on a strictly So Sophie odds vs Dot
• 4:16:20
  and bubble do this one by one. I'm gonna go Daniel first. 73
• 4:16:27
  yards. Michael. 73 yards.
• 4:16:35
  Cho. Valley for the word, 73.
• 4:16:39
  Yeah, I said it's pretty awesome.
• 4:16:40
  Yeah, it's coming up. It's not where we started.
• 4:16:46
  It's just wonderful. Admitted in his just so bloody
• 4:16:55
  likeable felt the season. It's so nice that she said,
• 4:16:58
  she's so good that she gets enough one and season two, even
• 4:17:00
  when there's another companion about yeah true he is the most
• 4:17:04
  unique episode of all teams. Seriously like there's nothing
• 4:17:08
  like it anywhere else. Yeah I think that is a winner.
• 4:17:12
  I think for sure we've done our due diligence that I'm picking
• 4:17:19
  the Seas and when we could have just stopped after the first.
• 4:17:21
  Well everyone thank you for joining us on Strictly season 1.
• 4:17:32
  Where can people find you? You can find me on Blue Sky.
• 4:17:36
  Michael Mills. Oh, you can hear me on the
• 4:17:40
  hamster book club. hey, talking about some proper Doctor Who
• 4:17:46
  Daniel, where can people find you?
• 4:17:47
  Oh, you can find me on Roger at Williams Twitter app that Daniel
• 4:17:55
  underscore Ron's leaders. Are a w, n s l, e, y, and I'm
• 4:18:01
  also on Blue Sky and find time. And I recently had the honor of
• 4:18:07
  the participating in a doctor who fanzine all of time, all of
• 4:18:12
  space, which celebrates 20 years of new Doctor Who it's
• 4:18:17
  unfortunately, sold out. But if you want to hear what I
• 4:18:21
  wrote about it, just come and bother me on Blue Sky, shoot me
• 4:18:24
  a message. And I also wrote a speaking of
• 4:18:29
  space babies and Snogging and Russell CDs resolutions.
• 4:18:34
  I wrote a Target style novelization of the Doctor Who
• 4:18:39
  series, 2 opener new Earth. No way, which is a really, as a
• 4:18:43
  form of an audio novelization novel.
• 4:18:46
  Called Doctor Who and new earth, a doctor who audio Adventure?
• 4:18:50
  I nearly at the halfway mark on that.
• 4:18:53
  So, very exciting all on YouTube.
• 4:18:56
  That's right by Daniel himself on YouTube and Spotify and
• 4:18:59
  wherever he can get you. Ah so so good and Joe from work,
• 4:19:06
  work hard, people find you in, okay?
• 4:19:13
  You could find me on absolute blunt pen knife or to have the
• 4:19:16
  book club or Strictly Come hamsters.
• 4:19:18
  I'm basically doing a lot of Doshi fingers with hamsters.
• 4:19:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:19:22
  That sounds That's not. Brilliant and you can find me on
• 4:19:29
  Twitter at lost underscore Gala free.
• 4:19:31
  And that's that's so it's wait. Did you write a blog?
• 4:19:37
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 4:19:41
  You can find him about many arguments to have the podcast
• 4:19:48
  with Dylan rates. Yeah, I think we're all good
• 4:19:51
  fit, crazy, but it's been worth it.
• 4:19:56
  I mean I've noticed you get very hot in that shows became more
• 4:20:04
  open for the other side. Yes.
• 4:20:08
  Yeah. We're back out now.
• 4:20:13
  Yes. Thank you honey.
• 4:20:16
  And this oh, I've never got to the end.
• 4:20:21
  Oh, come on, Daniel you. Yes.
• 4:20:23
  All right. Keep listening.
• 4:20:28
  You really do turn off at the end.
• 4:20:32
  You can't.