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Candace Lies AGAIN, Trump Bombs Iran, & Nick Fuentes is a Democrat?| The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 20 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  Well, howdy and welcome to Mark Driscoll's show.
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  Today is going to be a fun day. I jump into asking Pastor Mark
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  about Candace Owens protest. Yeah.
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  Is Trump doing the right thing in Iran?
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  And Nick Fuentes officially comes out of the closet as a
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  Democrat and Pastor Mark reacts. Buckle up, get ready.
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  It's going to be an epic show. Well howdy Pastor Mark, it has
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  been quite the week. You broke the Internet I sent
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  you. You were like top of the news on
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  XII. Had no idea honestly.
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  I was in the woods snuggling by the fire with my wife, and the
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  big thing for me was I put a salt lick out.
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  So we had all the baby deer. And then I picked up my phone
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  and somebody said, hey, there's something, otherwise I wouldn't
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  have known. So for everybody who's posting
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  and thinking we've got him, actually now it's just me and
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  the deer and my wife in a fire. Yeah, our unpaid intern is on
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  the social media dumpster, especially on Friday.
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  Come on. So you had some fun things
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  happen. We'll get into that in a little
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  bit as far as the Christian space and feminism and having a
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  woman teach women, says wild controversy.
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  But the first controversy we want to get into is Candace
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  Owens. She is obsessed with you.
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  I don't know why she keeps talking about you on social
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  media, but she's not nearly obsessed with you as she is
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  Charlie. And that continues to be clear.
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  Yeah, and the whole thing is just it's gone from strange to
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  evil. Yeah, because this week she
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  just. She told the Internet that she
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  got an e-mail from an anonymous source.
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  I always just, you know, an anonymous source isn't an
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  anonymous source. I went to the Edward R Murrow
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  School of Communication. I studied journalism.
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  An anonymous source is not a source.
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  It could be a drunk monkey, literally.
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  Literally. Could that could be the source?
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  Yeah, it could be an e-mail from somebody you've never met.
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  It could be, I don't know, some insane person that DMD on X.
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  That's not a source. That's not a source.
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  It's wild. And she said that to this
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  source. The e-mail says that you told
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  entire church that three days before Charlie died, he called
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  you and told you they're trying to kill him, and you did not say
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  that. I didn't say that publicly.
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  I didn't say that privately because it never happened and I
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  tell the truth for a living. It's pretty wild that she called
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  you the pastor at Trinity Church.
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  She didn't reference your name or tag you because it seems like
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  tagging somebody with such a big audience would actually be
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  helpful to her narrative. See, this is where you're
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  strategically failing because you're applying logic.
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  This is your fatal flaw when dealing with this person in
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  these circumstances. Just take reason and logic and
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  exit. Yeah, it was.
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  It was interesting. I got a text from one of the
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  supporters of real faith, actually, and they're like, no,
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  no, you don't understand. Candace is very honest and
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  accurate, and she always provides receipts, blah, blah.
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  I was like, she's talking about us.
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  Yeah, I know. I am a subject matter expert on
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  me. We're not accusing her lying
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  anywhere else, although there's many accusations of that.
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  Everybody else can stand up and say if they she.
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  Said pastor at Trinity Church in Scottsdale said Well, we never
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  got yeah, we know that to not be the case.
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  Yeah, never happened. I mean, that's what's just so
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  wild is just so people know things that are on blogs, social
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  media, YouTube, they are not held to the same libel and
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  slander laws and they're not held to the same level as
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  journalism. And So what happens now in the
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  days of the wild, Wild West, if you did any of this under an
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  actual news agency, you would go out of business, you would be
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  sued and you would be bankrupted.
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  But if you put it on a blog, social media or YouTube, it
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  doesn't count as news. And So what happens then in, so
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  let's say it's, I don't know, CNN or Christian today or some
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  other, you know, left-leaning Democratic operative platform,
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  They will put information on a blog or a YouTube page or a
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  social media under their news organization so that people
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  think, oh, this is part of the news.
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  It's actually legally not. And so they can say and do
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  whatever they want while giving the deceptive impression that
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  it's part of a news agency. That's why, for example, if you
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  go to CNN and it's on the blog, assume it's a lie, because if it
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  wasn't, they would have put it in the news.
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  Oh, interesting. You see what I'm saying?
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  Yeah. If we say this here, we get
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  sued. If we say it here, we don't
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  because it's not true. If it is on the blog, it is
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  probably not true because they actually have a news platform to
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  tell the truth from. And so when people pretend to be
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  journalists, they're just bloggers.
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  That's all they are. They are just content creators
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  that don't have any of the legal requirements to actually be a
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  journalist. And I know this because this is
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  my degree is journalism communication.
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  That's what I studied and and honestly, what used to be the
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  news. You get a newspaper back in the
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  day and there was news and editorial.
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  And so these are opinions and these are facts.
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  And today it's all opinion. There is no such thing as news.
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  It's all opinion. Yep, Yep.
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  And it's wild that this has an audience, an audience that's
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  female dominated. Why is it that suburban wine
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  moms are so obsessed with true crime?
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  But true crime, Candace. I'll quote a verse that's very
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  offensive, but it may be a good Bible study for the wine moms.
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  Women are easily deceived. Rough.
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  Yeah, that's what Paul says. So what should husbands be
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  doing? Helping them not be easily
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  deceived. And, and it means that if your
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  wife is living, you know, tracking too much on social
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  media, getting obsessed with people, if she's going down the
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  rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, you need to just say,
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  babe, hey, we, you know, we got a life.
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  We got kids, we got a church, we got Jesus.
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  Like, let's live in reality with people that we know doing things
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  that actually matter. Yeah.
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  And if you live too much online, I mean, just statistically, you
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  end up with mental health. It's just inevitable.
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  And so, you know, for people that are enjoying social media
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  or news, that's fine. But when it becomes obsessive
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  and when it gets to the point that you can't fast from it,
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  like if you can't shut off your social media for a week and just
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  let your soul kind of get a cleanse, then you probably have
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  an addiction. So just like we fast from
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  certain things, sometimes it's good to just fast from social
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  media and it's good to fast from the news.
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  And, and I'll just say this as well, like if you are a person
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  who is prone toward fear, then conspiracy theories and negative
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  news is going to keep you in a constant fight or flight cycle
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  and that's not good for you. The last thing I'd say when it
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  comes to just social media, I've always told this to my kids.
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  You've heard me say it, don't be loyal to anyone.
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  Be loyal to what is true. Yep.
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  And people are like, I'm loyal to them.
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  It's like, well, if they're not loyal to the truth and you're
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  loyal to them, you're actually disloyal to God.
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  Yeah. And so if someone is doing what
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  is right, doing what is true, doing what is good, be loyal to
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  them. As soon as they're not doing
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  those things, you cannot be loyal to them and simultaneously
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  be loyal to God. And so like, I mean, I've, I've
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  been told our kids growing up, like do not be loyal to your
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  father. Be loyal to what is true and
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  right and good. And if I am wrong, correct me
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  if, if there's a line and I'm on the wrong side, don't stand
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  there with me, yank me over the line back to where we're
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  supposed to be. And so this is where people get
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  into communities or I'm going to defend this person to the death.
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  It's like, well, then at some point to defend them, you'll
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  need to deny him. And so this is for those who
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  claim to be believers. This is profound because Jesus
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  says in John 844, you know, that Satan is the father of lies.
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  And so if someone starts to pivot from telling some truth to
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  telling some lies to mainly lying, if you are loyal to them,
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  you have abandoned and betrayed Jesus Christ.
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  So would you say what Candace? That people should have nothing
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  to do with What Candace? Slander.
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  It is a violation of the 9th commandment.
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  Do not bear false witness. Taking people that you don't
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  Fact Check and they are not accurate and just making them
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  into anonymous sources to then say things that are untrue.
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  Especially about a dead man and his widow who's trying to raise
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  the orphans and increasing the lack of security for that family
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  that is now dealing with overwhelming anxiety and a lack
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  of privacy. It's like.
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  Do you think she's profiting off of widow and orphans?
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  Millions. Oh, millions, 1,000,000
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  millions. And so at the end of the day,
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  the cause is not noble, the cause is cash.
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  That's the reality. She Candace saw her.
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  She's she's always been a grifter.
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  She's always her whole life that I think she.
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  Yeah, anyways. We can talk about something
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  else, but I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, like, shame on
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  her husband. Yeah.
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  Like, where? Where are you, Sir?
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  I mean. Candace Owens wrote the book and
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  she called it Make Him a Sandwich, and it doesn't seem
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  like she's living into that, and it'd probably be a lot more
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  helpful if she did. If this was my wife doing this
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  in our house and bringing this spirit into our environment, I'd
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  be like, honey, the answer is no.
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  And I'm, I'm actually going to go get you a psyche Val because
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  somehow you in reality have had a divorce. 100 percent, 100%.
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  So I think pivoting the conversation to what was
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  actually the thing that the last thing Charlie shared with you
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  and this is from the night she's referencing and this is what you
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  said. The last time that I had
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  communication with Charlie was yesterday.
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  We are in have been in regular communication.
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  I don't want to overstate our relationship but I love him very
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  dearly and he means the world to me and I miss him very greatly.
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  I'm I'm not his father, I'm not his spiritual father, but I'm
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  old enough to be and I love him like that.
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  One of our most recent communications, he said thank
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  you. I have a ton of questions.
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  I didn't ask for it, but I have become a high profile defender
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  of the faith. I need to be the best I can.
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  This was a recent text thread with E and I.
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  I said I'd be honored to serve for free invisibly as needed.
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  You have an anointing to steward and its massive.
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  Proud of you and pray for you and your family daily.
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  So Charlie was the last thing he said to you was about.
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  Yeah, so I mean for for me, Charlie reached out to me some
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  years prior. He'd been listening for a while
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  and he liked the doctrine book and he wanted to get together.
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  So we're friendship again was we're not to an Italian spot
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  that he likes. And we got a couple hours
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  together and talk in theology and just get to know him.
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  Brilliant, kind, fun, joyful, wonderful guy.
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  I love Charlie. I mean, nobody's perfect.
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  Charlie was incredible. He he's like not just the reason
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  that he had such an influence is he was a joyful, enjoyable,
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  brilliant, but he was also humble, asked a lot of questions
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  and was teachable. He's a really remarkable young
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  man. And and so from that time, I was
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  like, well, if I can ever be of any help, you know, I'm the
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  weird nerd Bible guy. Run it by me.
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  So I, I tried to be that guy to, you know, send him stuff, answer
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  questions, help him dial in things.
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  I'm just trying to be helpful. And so so yeah, that that event
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  is the day that Charlie got shot.
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  And I I thought we're going to have a small prayer meeting at
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  the church. And so the pastors were going to
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  cover it. And then you called me and
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  you're like, this is not a small thing with twice as many people
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  as seats. So I jumped in the car, threw a
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  shirt on, and I was there in 10 minutes.
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  And I just walked on the stage and extemporaneously spoke for
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  what, however long it was. No notes, no clue, just verbal
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  processing. And so just trying to serve in
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  the moment and was honored to do so.
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  But yeah, my final conversations with Charlie, I'd been out of
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  town and he was getting ready for the campus tours.
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  And there were certain questions that he was anticipating.
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  And it was like predestination and slavery.
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  And I can't remember what the third one was, but he he was
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  like, I want to talk about those because I need to dial in my
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  answer and I need to be able to defend the faith and I need to
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  be able to defend the Bible. And so, you know, we were
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  supposed to be getting together now that I was back in town.
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  And then he he got killed, got murdered, got assassinated.
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  And so with Charlie, I know that.
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  I know that. I know for a fact that the top
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  of the funnel may have been politics or cultural issues.
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  Ultimately, his goal was to talk to people about Jesus.
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  That was ultimately where he wanted to take all the
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  conversations. And you could see that when we
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  were sitting, you know, right there at his memorial, everybody
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  got up and they're all like, well, can't talk about Charlie
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  without talking about Jesus because Charlie just always
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  talked about Jesus. And so, you know, if Charlie's
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  goal was to take everything and make it about the gospel of
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  Jesus Christ, the Bible, Christian worldview, then to try
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  and hijack his legacy by shifting the spotlight to
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  someone or something other than Jesus Christ is actually a
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  betrayal of his deepest commitment.
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  And that's everybody's, well, Charlie would say this about
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  Iran or Charlie would say this about all these different
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  things. I guarantee if Charlie was here,
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  he'd be like, hey, guys, stop worrying about what happened to
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  me. Let's just tell people about
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  Jesus. Like everything he did was about
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  Jesus by his memorial was just a big worship surface.
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  Like he he would be ashamed of what Candace Owens is doing to
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  his legacy and to his wife and to his kids.
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  If you want to honor Charlie, then point people to Jesus.
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  He pointed people to Jesus, and right now he's with Jesus and he
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  would tell you today, since he's with Jesus, the most important
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  thing is to help as many people get to be with Jesus as
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  possible. That's the priority.
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  I'm not listening to the woman. That's just, I'm just asking
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  questions. That's how deconstructionism
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  begins and it all started in Genesis 3.
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  It is a demonic plot to just ask questions and to then
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  deconstruct what God has created it.
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  Deconstructionism is on the left, it's on the right and it
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  and it is demonic and it is asking the wrong questions and
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  it all started with Satan in the garden.
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  Did God really say? 100% and a passive husband not
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  jumping in and it's very dangerous so.
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  First person to ask a question was Satan.
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  Be very careful if all you're doing is just asking questions.
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  Just asking questions. That's that's a good word.
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  Something that is major in our, our news, Iran and everything
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  going on over there with President Trump and taking some
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  action and we wanted to roll that clip.
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  I just got off the phone with President Trump.
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  It was a roughly 9 minute phone interview talking about the war
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  in Iran. Just want to give you the
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  quotes. He said quote, we're knocking
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  the crap out of them. I think it's going very well.
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  It's very powerful. We've got the greatest military
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  in the world and we're using it. I asked the president how long
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  he thought this war my last. He said I don't want to see it
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  go on too long. I always thought it would be 4
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  weeks. And we're a little ahead of
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  Skype. We haven't even started hitting
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  them hard. The big wave hasn't even
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  happened. The Big 1 is coming soon.
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  I asked. OK, well, who's going to lead
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  Iran now? The president said.
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  We don't know who the leadership is.
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  We don't know who they'll pick. Maybe they'll get lucky and get
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  someone who knows what they're doing.
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  President Trump told the New York Post Monday that he's not
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  ruling out sending US ground troops into Iran if they were
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  necessary, adding the Operation Epic Fury was way ahead of
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  schedule after taking out dozens of Tehran's top officials.
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  I don't have the yips with respect to boots on the ground.
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  Like every president, president says there will be no boots on
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  the ground. I don't say it, Trump said after
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  launching strike Saturday to decapitate Iran's military and
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  political leadership. I say probably don't need them,
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  or if they were necessary. Decapitate a nation.
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  And it's leadership. We're knocking the crap out.
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  Of the crap out of them. I mean, you know what, everybody
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  it was. So the people who do like Trump,
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  they're like, I have an uncle who talks like that, at least at
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  least he sounds, you know, like a guy you could have a beer with
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  at the VFW. So, yeah, I mean, as far as the
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  Warner, I mean, we just, we just attacked Iran just a few months
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  ago. We took out their entire top
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  level of military leadership, and now we've taken out the top
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  level of political and military leadership again.
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  I don't know. I just tell you this, if you're
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  thinking about raising your hand to lead something in Iran, you
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  may want to wait a while. It's like this is not a real
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  good time to fill out the application on LinkedIn.
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  Yeah, what? What is the message he's
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  sending? I mean, taking Ayatollah out, He
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  he's been openly mocking Trump for years.
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  So for Christians, it's it's kind of interesting.
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  So you're fancy with your laptop.
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  So I brought mine. But you know, when you're
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  talking about what is currently Iran in the Bible, in in the
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  Bible it's called Elam and Persia or Medo Persia.
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  And so actually this is a civilization that goes all the
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  way back to the Old Testament. Predominant in the days of
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  Daniel is in prophecies in Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
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  Ezekiel 3039 talks about kind of the last days war of Gog and
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  Magog. And one of the nations
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  geographically is Iran. Jeremiah 49 seems to indicate
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  that they'll be a future revival in Iran.
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  And so, you know, what we're seeing in Iran is really
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  interesting because you've got, you know, a dictatorial Mullah
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  who's been ruling for 36 years and he, he wasn't even
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  high-ranking, he was a mid level.
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  So the fact that he even got the job is there's some intrigue
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  there. But what's interesting is we're
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  bombing Islam and Iran and then we're voting for it in Seattle,
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  excuse me, in New York and in Minneapolis and in Dearborn.
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  And so the same time that it's failed over there and 80% of
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  Iranians, they want regime change, they want open
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  elections. They hate living under Sharia
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  law, the mullahs and the dictatorship.
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  And while we're bombing it there, we're bringing it here,
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  which is shocking. It's shocking in there during
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  like right now in Dearborn, MI, or in Minneapolis or New York,
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  they're like, I wonder it'd be like to vote for a Muslim if
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  we're bombing them. It may not be the best forward
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  path. You know, the mayor of New York
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  was very against this. Sure, him and Tucker, they both
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  thought it was evil. And and so, you know, then there
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  is the debate part of it too, is what Christians may understand
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  is possibly the fastest growing Christian base in the Middle
• 20:41
  East is in Iran. The younger generation that has
• 20:45
  technology, they want liberty, they want freedom.
• 20:49
  And you're seeing a strong and growing underground church in
• 20:52
  Iran. It's not that way like in
• 20:54
  Turkey, but in Iran you're seeing a strong generation rise
• 20:59
  up who love Jesus. You're seeing a lot of people
• 21:02
  get saved through signs and wonders.
• 21:04
  They're having dreams and standing before Jesus.
• 21:07
  And So what you're seeing as well in Iran, you're seeing
• 21:10
  mosques are closing at a record level and people want a new
• 21:14
  regime, they want elections and they want churches.
• 21:18
  And mosques are growing at a record rate in places like
• 21:21
  Texas. Yes.
• 21:22
  It's. Wild.
• 21:23
  Well, this is what happens when when you get familiar with
• 21:27
  Sharia law and Islam, you hate it.
• 21:30
  And Americans in the name of diversity, equity, inclusion,
• 21:33
  bring in, you know, a demonic death cult in the name of, hey,
• 21:38
  we need to have everything. Why?
• 21:40
  And so, you know, the the debate among the conservatives now
• 21:43
  obviously is like, well, should we be activated in foreign wars?
• 21:48
  And Trump ran as an America first.
• 21:51
  And the question then is should we be America first or should we
• 21:53
  be America only? We're talking about it offline
• 21:57
  with the young guys here and makes sense to me.
• 21:59
  I mean, for a lot of young men, they're like, look, I I want to
• 22:03
  get married to a girl, I want to have kids.
• 22:04
  I'm going to buy a house. This is the most conservative
• 22:06
  generation of young men in the last 50 years.
• 22:09
  And they're like, hey, can we fix the domestic problems so
• 22:12
  that we can have a family in the future and do the things that we
• 22:16
  know are right and good? Why are we spending time, energy
• 22:18
  and money trying to repair other countries when we still have
• 22:22
  brokenness in our own? And that's, you know,
• 22:26
  reasonable. And for those who don't, who
• 22:29
  think that America should be isolationistic, not just
• 22:32
  nationalistic, but isolationistic, they don't want
• 22:34
  us involved. On the flip side, you know, I
• 22:37
  mean, how many people have been, how many American soldiers have
• 22:40
  been killed by Iran? It's like 800.
• 22:42
  OK, so there's murdered 800 of our best.
• 22:46
  In addition, we know that Iran is the the head of the snake for
• 22:49
  state sponsored terror. They work through their proxy
• 22:52
  organizations, Hamas, which invaded Israel, the Houthis,
• 22:55
  Hezbollah. We know that Iran is the bad
• 22:58
  actor and the puppet master and is kind of the architect of
• 23:02
  global terrorism. Well, should we get rid of
• 23:05
  global terrorism? Probably not a bad idea.
• 23:07
  We also know that we have let an untold number of Iranians
• 23:11
  illegally into the country without any vetting and now we
• 23:15
  have a liability of sleeper cells across the country.
• 23:18
  Huge liability. Yeah.
• 23:19
  I mean, and we put everyone on notice by going after these
• 23:23
  countries that, hey, it's not going to fly here.
• 23:26
  Like, if you do this, you, you are not coming in to conquer
• 23:28
  anything. You're not taking any ground.
• 23:30
  We'll respond with a lot of force.
• 23:32
  And it puts every dictator and every world leader on notice.
• 23:36
  If we activate the sleeper cells, we could die.
• 23:39
  And you, you, a dictator does not want to lose his life.
• 23:42
  All these guys that are leading these countries, there's no way
• 23:47
  he thought he was going to get killed.
• 23:49
  But I mean, days or weeks before he was mocking on social media
• 23:52
  like you've never gotten me and you never will.
• 23:54
  It's like, OK, so the, the, the demonstrate.
• 23:58
  So the things I do appreciate, just from a leadership
• 24:00
  perspective, I, I like the clarity.
• 24:03
  Hey, come to the table and negotiate or by this day, there
• 24:06
  will be a consequence. I like the clarity and I like
• 24:09
  the consistency. If you don't come to the table
• 24:11
  and negotiate, there will be a consequence and the deadline
• 24:14
  will not just pass. So the show of strength and
• 24:18
  peace through strength is something that I'm very glad to
• 24:22
  see. They're they're a nation of
• 24:25
  death. I was just looking it up.
• 24:27
  They murder their own people. Ayatollah, when he came in, in
• 24:30
  1988, the first thing he did was execute 30,000 political
• 24:35
  prisoners with children as young as 13 hanging from cranes.
• 24:39
  They're known for being the largest executioner of children,
• 24:43
  executing more kids in 15 years than any other state in the
• 24:47
  history of the world, killing children, their own people.
• 24:52
  They are evil. And can you negotiate with evil?
• 24:55
  Pastor no you can't. You can't.
• 24:56
  No so. And, and part of it too is their
• 24:58
  theology is if you die a martyr, you get 72 virgins who were
• 25:04
  roughly around the age of 33, and they will literally sing
• 25:08
  your praises for all eternity. It's not in the Quran, it's in
• 25:12
  other Islamic documents. And that they're so beautiful
• 25:15
  that they can't even be revealed in this world.
• 25:19
  And that after you have sex with them, they immediately go back
• 25:22
  to a perpetual state of virginity.
• 25:24
  So you have 72 gals and every night for all eternity, you get
• 25:28
  to pick which one you're going to take the virginity of.
• 25:32
  And so their vision of heaven is, yeah, I mean, blow yourself
• 25:37
  up and you hit the, you hit the lottery, you hit, you hit the,
• 25:41
  the harem, you know, Bravo lottery.
• 25:44
  And so when you're dealing with those people, I mean, they're
• 25:47
  not incentivized to live, they're incentivized to self
• 25:50
  destruct it. It yeah, it's, yeah, it is a
• 25:56
  religion of violence. Of perversion and violence.
• 26:00
  And but I, you know, for those who are America first, they're
• 26:03
  like, yeah, because at this point, nobody can really say
• 26:07
  like the the Ayatollah is going to be missed and, you know, he's
• 26:11
  a person that the world is better if he's not taking a dirt
• 26:14
  nap. Nobody's going to say that.
• 26:16
  But then the question is, but was that our responsibility?
• 26:20
  You know, should of Israel just taking care of that on their own
• 26:23
  and meanwhile we've got domestic problems to deal with.
• 26:28
  Yeah, I think and people are like, well, we we dealt with the
• 26:30
  nuke situation last year, why are we back there?
• 26:33
  And that's what Trump said was they were close to having nukes
• 26:36
  again. And so we had to go back in.
• 26:38
  Yeah, I think a lot of people are wrestling with it and it
• 26:42
  seems to be dividing the right in a massive way.
• 26:45
  And it is interesting how much critique Trump is under from the
• 26:50
  left and the right right now. And and how does this translate
• 26:54
  to the midterms? Is this was this a, a smart
• 26:56
  move, a foolish move? What are what are your thoughts
• 27:00
  on? That the midterms are crucial
• 27:01
  and if they don't go conservative, you know, we're
• 27:03
  probably going to be tied up in law fair for two years.
• 27:06
  And, and right now, you know, the midterms are hanging in the
• 27:10
  balance and the party in power usually doesn't carry the
• 27:15
  midterms and, and usually the enthusiasm is on the opposition
• 27:22
  to turn out to vote. And so in the midterms, you
• 27:25
  probably see very high Democratic participation.
• 27:27
  Sadly, unless they're activated, you'll not see that same on the
• 27:30
  right. So that's where we find
• 27:34
  ourselves. But if you are at war, you know,
• 27:37
  and there is threat of danger. I heard someone say it a while
• 27:42
  ago. The Democrat Party is the mommy
• 27:44
  party and the Republican Party is the daddy party.
• 27:47
  The majority of women are Democrats.
• 27:49
  The majority of men are Republicans.
• 27:51
  If you don't feel safe, you vote for Dad.
• 27:54
  Yep, Yep. And I think he's more daddy
• 27:58
  party than we've ever had. I mean, his comment of all the
• 28:01
  other presidents will say they won't go boots on the ground.
• 28:03
  He's like, no, the guns in my I'm, I'm concealed caring.
• 28:07
  I'll pull it. Yeah, don't make me pull it.
• 28:09
  Well, that's where, you know, for me, I hope and pray and do
• 28:14
  not want it like most Americans do not want to see any boots on
• 28:17
  the ground. The thought of taking young men
• 28:19
  and putting them in foreign wars like Iraq, Afghanistan.
• 28:25
  Thank you to everyone who served.
• 28:27
  But there had to be a day if you were serving, you're like, why?
• 28:29
  Why am I here? You know, and then after all
• 28:33
  that was put into places like Iraq and Afghanistan, then to
• 28:36
  see what they become once we exit, they go right back to, you
• 28:41
  know, terrorists run organization states.
• 28:44
  I mean, Afghanistan right now is run by the Taliban and, you
• 28:48
  know, and once we toppled Saddam Hussein, they pushed all of the
• 28:51
  Christians out and it was and the church was obliterated in
• 28:55
  the nation. And so, you know, so I don't
• 28:59
  want to see boots on the ground. I don't want to see soldiers in
• 29:02
  harm's way. I don't want to see any of that.
• 29:04
  It's one thing to send a drone. It's another thing to send a
• 29:06
  dude. Now I know he has to say that to
• 29:09
  negotiate from a strength position, basically like, you
• 29:13
  know, this is, you know, I'm willing to, I'm willing to go
• 29:16
  all the way to the end in the fight.
• 29:18
  You have to say that at the beginning of a fight, you've got
• 29:20
  to be willing to go to the end of the fight.
• 29:21
  But I sure hope and pray that this is just a negotiation
• 29:24
  tactic. I mean, yeah, it feels that way
• 29:27
  when it's I'm going to come in and strategically take out all
• 29:30
  your political leaders and your head leader twice, twice.
• 29:34
  And then I'm going to flex that I'm fine bringing everybody in.
• 29:37
  And it feels like he's negotiating hard, but I believe
• 29:41
  he will go boots on the ground. If he needs to know what is
• 29:44
  interesting is they don't have the Second Amendment because
• 29:46
  right now, if the Iranians were all an armed citizenry, we would
• 29:53
  need to send boots on the ground.
• 29:54
  They've already got their own boots.
• 29:56
  And so this is where, you know, this is where as a nation, be
• 30:00
  glad that that you have the ability to carry and and to
• 30:05
  defend yourself. Right now the Iranians wish the
• 30:08
  Iranian people 80% want regime change and and they are seeing
• 30:14
  their own citizens slaughter just for political disagreement,
• 30:18
  not criminal behavior, just disagreement.
• 30:20
  And they would really, really, really love right now to be in
• 30:24
  Arizona and carrying a. 100% yeah, yeah, it's yeah.
• 30:30
  It is wild, the lack of freedom they have.
• 30:34
  And we, we take it for granted here and a lot of countries
• 30:37
  would, would. That's why they're all flooding
• 30:40
  into our country. And they're not all bad people
• 30:42
  that are, that are immigrating here.
• 30:44
  But Islam is incompatible with the West.
• 30:48
  How important is it that we stay out of picking their next leader
• 30:52
  for Iran? No, I mean, if, if we really do
• 30:54
  believe in freedom and democracy and liberty, then people need to
• 30:59
  choose their own destiny and they need to have a fair and
• 31:03
  free election and they need to determine how they're going to
• 31:07
  course correct their future. And you know, that is that, I
• 31:11
  mean, ultimately that's what needs to happen.
• 31:14
  Yep. Do you think that war with Iran
• 31:17
  will increase domestic terrorism or keep it at Bay?
• 31:21
  Well, short term it could increase it, long term it could
• 31:24
  decrease it. Yep, If you cut the hat off the
• 31:26
  snake, then in the future they're going to be less likely
• 31:29
  to be, well, like right now. We've closed the border and we
• 31:33
  chop the head off the snake with the Ayatollah and Iran.
• 31:37
  So that at least in the long term would indicate that you're
• 31:40
  going to reduce potential terror threats in the homeland.
• 31:43
  In the short term, it could activate it because if they're
• 31:46
  here, they're going to act on. We saw that this week in Texas.
• 31:49
  We, we saw, we saw a guy show up, you know, property of our
• 31:52
  law and start open firing and they get a Quran in his car.
• 31:56
  And you know, like, can those things go from individual acts
• 31:59
  to coordinated groups? Terrifying, but possible.
• 32:04
  Yeah, yeah, that was the big, that was the big news.
• 32:07
  He was wearing a Property of Allah hoodie with a Quran in his
• 32:11
  car. And funny enough, he took tunes
• 32:14
  into Canis Owens every week and was a avid supporter of her on
• 32:17
  X. And and that that's what's
• 32:20
  dangerous about social media nowadays is you can get people
• 32:23
  so angry. And some people are just
• 32:25
  mentally not well, and so they can't understand the difference
• 32:30
  between hyperbole and a call to action.
• 32:34
  And so, yeah, they show up and actually do something that's
• 32:37
  devastating to so many to prove a point where those are.
• 32:41
  I mean, three people are dead. That's three people that don't
• 32:44
  have a dad coming home or a mom or a brother or a son.
• 32:48
  This is very, very sad, but that's that's what Islam is
• 32:53
  coming into this country to do, is to kill and destroy and take
• 32:57
  over. It's convert or die.
• 32:59
  I mean, it's a so Christianity is a religion of proposition.
• 33:02
  Would you like to receive Jesus Christ, your Lord and Savior?
• 33:05
  Islam is a religion of imposition.
• 33:07
  It's convert or die. And and so, yeah, so it, it, it
• 33:12
  will justify violence for for an outcome that is favorable toward
• 33:18
  Islam. And so everywhere that Islam is
• 33:20
  gone, it doesn't assimilate or integrate, it overtakes and
• 33:24
  dominates and, and then eventually Sharia law comes and
• 33:28
  religious freedom is gone. And, and then what was a free
• 33:33
  society becomes Islamic regime. I mean, that's historical.
• 33:38
  That's what that's what that's what happened in Turkey, that's
• 33:40
  what happened in Egypt. That's just what happens.
• 33:44
  Yeah, 100%. And it is, it is interesting
• 33:46
  with the strikes on Iran and everything going on.
• 33:49
  There's, there's a whole sect of Christianity trying to look
• 33:53
  through this with, with their lens of oh, is it end times?
• 33:56
  It's end times guys, the Lord's coming back and we stopped
• 34:00
  worrying about our country so much and we just worry about,
• 34:02
  oh, is this fulfilling all the prophecies and Jesus is coming
• 34:05
  back. We don't have to worry about
• 34:06
  anything. It, it is this indicating end
• 34:09
  times Pastor Mark. So.
• 34:11
  Depending upon how you read the Bible, some would look at the
• 34:13
  prophecies and say these are fulfilled in the past,
• 34:15
  particularly around the days of Daniel.
• 34:19
  Others would say no, these are futuristic to be fulfilled.
• 34:22
  So there's kind of two ways to to view these things among
• 34:25
  people that do love the Bible and and are trying to do good
• 34:28
  scholarship. If you do believe that much of
• 34:31
  the prophetic work in the Bible is future, you go to places like
• 34:34
  Ezekiel 38 and 39. It talks about a war of Gog and
• 34:36
  Magog where the nations surrounding Israel, they
• 34:39
  basically align in one last ditch effort for total genocide
• 34:44
  to destroy the nation of Israel. One of those geographic areas is
• 34:49
  today Iran. OK.
• 34:51
  And so then the question is, well, then every anytime
• 34:53
  something spins up around Iran, everybody's like, we're there.
• 34:57
  Well, you know, maybe not because Iran's been spun up a
• 35:02
  few times. And I'd say if anything, what
• 35:04
  has happened with the last two attacks on Iran, which I agree
• 35:08
  with from America, is we've lessened their ability to ignite
• 35:13
  a global war. And so, you know, if you're, if
• 35:16
  your eschatology, if your end times is the nations are going
• 35:19
  to rise up to destroy and kill all the Jews, then Jesus returns
• 35:24
  to the Mount of Olives in Israel, Zechariah 14.
• 35:27
  Then then are actually what we're seeing now would mean that
• 35:31
  that's further out because right now Iran doesn't have the
• 35:34
  ability to ignite a global war and it does not have the support
• 35:38
  of the other nations in the region.
• 35:40
  No, right now they're just, I, I don't know, they, they bombers,
• 35:44
  they, they have the missiles going off that are hitting
• 35:48
  Muslim nations and businesses and hotels.
• 35:52
  So now what you've got, you've got surrounding Islamic nations
• 35:55
  saying we're against you. And so does this mean we're
• 35:58
  closer to the end? Actually, this is pushing the
• 36:02
  timeline out. And so anybody who was like,
• 36:04
  we're there, it's like, actually we just reset the clock because
• 36:08
  Iran isn't strong and they don't have support.
• 36:12
  And if you believe the Gog Magog war in Ezekiel 39, they are
• 36:15
  strong and they have support. Well, that we're not there.
• 36:18
  And the other thing of it is to Landon is you tend to get
• 36:21
  obsessed with eschatology and times when you're older, when
• 36:26
  you're young, I mean, like where you're at, you're like, you get
• 36:30
  a wonderful little boy. Like, you want to see him hit a
• 36:33
  ball off a tee. You want to teach him how to
• 36:35
  ride a bike. You want to teach him how to
• 36:37
  drive a stick shift. I mean, like, you want to add to
• 36:39
  your family. You want to build your future.
• 36:41
  And so younger people are like, quit obsessing about things that
• 36:46
  are completely beyond our control and let's fix our
• 36:50
  country. Let's strengthen family, let's
• 36:52
  say babies, like let's do some things that now let's get school
• 36:56
  choice for kids so they don't get brainwashed by the
• 36:59
  government. And so the older generations
• 37:02
  that get obsessed with eschatology, I think they do a
• 37:05
  disservice because they're not funding and helping the next
• 37:08
  generation plan for their future because they're saying there
• 37:11
  isn't 1. And this goes all the way back
• 37:13
  to the days of the New Testament.
• 37:14
  Like in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, they all thought
• 37:17
  Jesus was coming back in 15 minutes, so they all quit their
• 37:19
  job. So Paul Rice was like, hey, go
• 37:22
  back to work, He's not coming for a while.
• 37:25
  And that was 2000 years ago. Because I think we all have main
• 37:28
  character syndrome. We're like, Oh yeah, of course
• 37:30
  we'll be the one. I mean, Jesus coming back.
• 37:33
  So we'll be here when? He comes back when I'm here.
• 37:35
  Yeah, yeah, it could be 10,000 years.
• 37:38
  Like I mean realistically it it it's a blink for the Lord like.
• 37:43
  Well, it's beyond our control. And so they asked Martin Luther
• 37:46
  one time. They said, what would you do if
• 37:48
  you knew Jesus was returning tomorrow?
• 37:50
  And he said I would plant a tree.
• 37:54
  And it's basically like just if, if he does come back, be doing
• 37:57
  everything you're supposed to be doing.
• 37:58
  Don't say, man, I'm glad you came back because I racked out
• 38:02
  my credit card and I defaulted on my mortgage and I was about
• 38:07
  ready to, you know, go into creditors jail because, you
• 38:11
  know, and but thankfully you came back.
• 38:13
  Lord, I knew you were. So I just stopped working and
• 38:15
  paying my bills. Yeah, it's a, it's a very short,
• 38:18
  short sighted mindset. And it's, it just leads to a lot
• 38:24
  of unhealth and it doesn't leave a legacy where Christians are
• 38:28
  not planning for generations from now.
• 38:30
  It doesn't feel like where the Muslims are.
• 38:33
  They're they're planning for 100 years.
• 38:35
  The Communists are. That's that's how a nation is
• 38:38
  stolen. It's not over five years, it's
• 38:40
  over 500 years. It's 50 years it's and
• 38:44
  consistently Muslims have taken over countries over decades, not
• 38:50
  minutes America, where we are much younger than they have been
• 38:57
  fighting and taking over nations for a long time.
• 39:01
  We'll get we'll get some more of that in the last segment just
• 39:04
  talking about what can young men actually do to fight the coming
• 39:08
  war with Islam and it's coming to our nation.
• 39:11
  But how can we live a life that is fruitful and flourishing in
• 39:16
  the midst of some chaos? Well, howdy Pastor Mark here.
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  Before we get there, we have a fun one protest.
• 40:25
  Yeah, Pastor March, they love you.
• 40:27
  So 9 out of their last 10 tweets have been about you and.
• 40:32
  Usually when they obsess it's an attractive female.
• 40:34
  It's not this. I know they're.
• 40:36
  Really, it's usually not the object of obsession.
• 40:38
  They are. They are really all about you
• 40:41
  today. Good.
• 40:42
  And yesterday and the day before.
• 40:43
  So they published an article with a very misleading headline
• 40:47
  saying that Melissa etcetera was preaching at your church and
• 40:52
  what they didn't include in the headline.
• 40:54
  My wife preaches at my church every week and she doesn't
• 40:58
  believe in women pastors or that women should be preaching on the
• 41:01
  weekend she preaches to. The women, women every week.
• 41:07
  So the Internet is there's a lot of a lot of fighting going on.
• 41:11
  The reform guys are a good time. We really, really they're just,
• 41:16
  I mean, they're arguing over his interracial marriage of sin and
• 41:20
  whether or not you had a woman preach.
• 41:22
  So that's that's they. Were on the cutting edge of
• 41:24
  1827. We're hammering out the issues
• 41:26
  of the day, yes. Yeah, and I I love it because
• 41:29
  the the same people that will call you a chauvinist now are
• 41:32
  calling you feminists. I'm a chauvinist feminist.
• 41:35
  I love it. That is a brand new category.
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  I'm really happy to launch it. And yeah, depending on who you
• 41:41
  talk to, I hate women or I favor them.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's interesting.
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  Yeah, but yeah. So you platformed Melissa and
• 41:52
  she's a a very dear gal. She's great.
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  We met her and her husband. I thoroughly enjoyed them, love
• 41:58
  them. And and and I'm at the age to
• 42:00
  land and we're like, I want to be like we talked about this,
• 42:02
  like I want to be like a father. Yeah.
• 42:05
  And so if you're a young leader, you're a young, you know,
• 42:07
  preacher or whatever, and you love the Lord and you're doing
• 42:10
  some good stuff. How do I help?
• 42:13
  Yeah. When you get to be my age, that
• 42:15
  I would say this, the pastors are their leaders that are
• 42:17
  trying to be cool. They're just weird.
• 42:19
  Uh huh. They're just, they're just so
• 42:21
  weird. Like if I was wearing a
• 42:22
  bedazzled jacket and skateboarded in, That's just
• 42:25
  weird. Yeah, it's just weird.
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  And so, you know, when you reach a certain age, it's not about
• 42:30
  being cool. It's about being helpful.
• 42:32
  That's that's that's what an older man is supposed to be
• 42:35
  helpful. He's supposed to have a father's
• 42:37
  heart and say, how do I help? And so I really like finding
• 42:42
  young leaders, preachers who they have an anointing, they
• 42:46
  have courage, they have strength, they have a platform
• 42:51
  and like, hey, how can I encourage you?
• 42:52
  How can I help you? And if I did have anything to
• 42:55
  say, I would say it offline privately.
• 42:59
  I would not go after it publicly if, you know, if they're doing
• 43:03
  the Lord's work. And if there's something
• 43:05
  secondary that I disagree on, it's like, give it some time.
• 43:09
  I mean, I was a fire breathing dragon in my 20s.
• 43:12
  And, you know, like you, you work it out.
• 43:15
  The Holy Spirit is involved. Sanctification is a process.
• 43:18
  But meeting them and also meeting, you know, the brother
• 43:23
  and his wife, Yeah. Andrew and Olene.
• 43:26
  Loved them, enjoyed them, proud of them, praying for them, here
• 43:30
  for them. Don't have any criticism of
• 43:32
  them. And if there was something I
• 43:34
  thought that would help them, I would talk to them privately and
• 43:37
  respectfully, like a father would a kid that they cared
• 43:39
  about. Yeah, I mean, I think the
• 43:40
  biggest thing you need to confront them on is their
• 43:42
  interracial marriage. Yeah, that's so weird.
• 43:44
  It's like we attacked and we missed the targets.
• 43:46
  We moved. Interracial marriage.
• 43:48
  That one is just just so you know, if you're a Christian,
• 43:51
  that does not help our evangelistic thoughts.
• 43:54
  So on that note, why is the reform community I?
• 43:58
  So I came from the AG world. I didn't even know about the
• 44:00
  reform community but. I came from Catholic, not like
• 44:04
  like go to church twice a year a Catholic.
• 44:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like this whole reform
• 44:09
  community, I was new to it a few years ago.
• 44:11
  Why are they so toxic? Yeah, I mean, so this is long.
• 44:17
  So I didn't grow up with an evangelicalism.
• 44:19
  I didn't grow up within a tribe within evangelicalism.
• 44:22
  I just got saved reading the Bible at 19 in college.
• 44:24
  First group I get in was the first deconstructionist, the
• 44:27
  emerging church. And and you know, it was just
• 44:32
  like, OK, I thought we were trying to reach young people for
• 44:35
  Christ. They're trying to deconstruct
• 44:37
  and start apostasy. And I'm like, well, I'm out.
• 44:40
  Like they're like, well, what about homosexuality?
• 44:42
  I was like, what the this is very clear and I don't want to
• 44:45
  sleep with any of you. So I'm like, I'm not.
• 44:49
  That's literally what I said in dinner with the speakers at an
• 44:51
  event. They're like, what are
• 44:52
  homesteads? Like, we're kidding, right?
• 44:54
  They're like, no, I was like, I'm a speak.
• 44:55
  With any of you. I brought Grace.
• 44:57
  I got this locked down, you know.
• 44:58
  I'm no longer comfortable with this dinner.
• 45:00
  Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not staying for dessert.
• 45:03
  Check, please. And and so then I exited kind of
• 45:06
  that world and I didn't even know that there were apostate,
• 45:10
  pro gay, universalistic Christians.
• 45:12
  I was like, I guess they've read in the Bible.
• 45:14
  I didn't even know there were these people.
• 45:16
  This is crazy. Well then I end up getting into
• 45:19
  more of the Reformed tribe because I'm an expositional
• 45:22
  Bible teacher and technically, theologically I am reformed.
• 45:28
  I'm more Lutheran on some issues than Calvin.
• 45:31
  But I do believe the big issue is like, what does God choose
• 45:33
  you or do you choose God? I believe you choose each other,
• 45:36
  but God chooses you first and so regeneration precedes faith.
• 45:40
  God gives you a new heart and then the new heart loves the
• 45:43
  Lord. The old heart can't love the
• 45:44
  Lord and and so for me, technically I am Reform and
• 45:48
  theologically I've actually never moved.
• 45:50
  I've been literally I. Just don't have any joy.
• 45:54
  Well, so that, but the issue is there.
• 45:56
  There's a couple of reasons that certain tribes become more
• 46:00
  difficult. Number one, in fundamentalism
• 46:03
  there's something called 2° of separation.
• 46:06
  So fundamentalism, it's not fun, but it is damn mental.
• 46:09
  So it's odd branding fundamentalism is.
• 46:12
  And So what happens is 2° of separation is if I'm OK with
• 46:18
  you, but I'm not OK with them and you're associating with
• 46:21
  them, I have to cut both of you off because I need degrees of
• 46:26
  separation. Well, if you do that, pretty
• 46:29
  soon you're in a, you're in a very small tribe.
• 46:34
  And if anybody ventures out of the tribe to go talk to somebody
• 46:37
  or speak at a conference or an event or a church, then you need
• 46:40
  to all denounce and cut them off.
• 46:42
  This has nothing to do with the Bible.
• 46:45
  It is literally in the founding tenants of something called
• 46:48
  fundamentalism. And and this is one of their
• 46:50
  fundamentals. And so for me, I don't see my
• 46:54
  theology as a prison. I see it as a home.
• 46:58
  I can leave my house. I can go to your house.
• 47:01
  Your house is a little different than my house.
• 47:04
  My house, we keep our shoes on. Your house, you take your shoes
• 47:07
  off. Our houses are a little
• 47:08
  different. That's your house.
• 47:10
  This is my house. My house.
• 47:12
  I'm going to do it the way I want your house.
• 47:14
  You do it the way you want. I'll visit your house.
• 47:18
  But I I'm not going to blow up your house.
• 47:21
  And I'm allowed to leave my house because my house isn't a
• 47:25
  prison. But this is where it's like you
• 47:28
  can only read books that come from these two publishers.
• 47:30
  You can only preach from this one translation.
• 47:32
  You can only go to these two Bible colleges or seminaries,
• 47:35
  you know, And it's, it just becomes so narrow.
• 47:38
  And you can't have new believers in that environment because
• 47:43
  they're in the process of answering the questions.
• 47:46
  You can't have deep thinking people unless they're able to be
• 47:49
  in the process and maybe come to a different conclusion on what I
• 47:53
  would call an open handed or secondary matter.
• 47:56
  And so for me, I'm like, and the thing of it is too, I'm like
• 47:59
  everybody who's fighting over the old issues, they'd
• 48:01
  understand that this is a wildly different day.
• 48:05
  Nobody cares if you speak in tongues.
• 48:07
  Nobody cares whether or not you have instruments in worship.
• 48:11
  We are mutilating children. We are murdering babies.
• 48:15
  We are brainwashing teenagers. And we want to talk about
• 48:20
  interracial marriage. We have a.
• 48:21
  Whole generation of women who are lesbians and trans and
• 48:25
  progressive with mental health. It's like, OK, so interracial
• 48:31
  marriage, I mean. It's so privileged.
• 48:34
  It's like, well, the the Old Testament, it's like, dude,
• 48:38
  they're mutilating your kids. Joseph interracial marriage.
• 48:41
  Moses interracial marriage, you know, Ruth and Boaz was an
• 48:46
  interracial marriage. She's part of the lineage of
• 48:49
  Jesus. You know, in the days of Moses
• 48:52
  when he had an interracial marriage and it was questioned,
• 48:54
  God actually brought judgment and the curse on those who were
• 48:57
  questioned. I mean, it's like, so it's like
• 48:58
  this is, this is what happens when you have a very small
• 49:03
  church and a very loudmouth. You end up making a lot of noise
• 49:08
  online, but then locally you're not seeing a lot of people meet
• 49:12
  Christ because in a church you can tell a lot about who's there
• 49:16
  on the discussions they're having.
• 49:17
  If you have new Christians, here's their question.
• 49:21
  Can I sleep with him? Can I sleep with her?
• 49:23
  I sleep with them. Those are their three questions.
• 49:26
  You're at you're there. Do I, I just got saved.
• 49:28
  Do I still get to live with my girlfriend?
• 49:30
  I, I just got saved. Can I still run my pop farm?
• 49:33
  I mean, when you're dealing with new Christians, they have
• 49:36
  totally different questions. And it's not interracial
• 49:39
  marriage. It's, it's just not, it's not
• 49:42
  head coverings, It's not speaking in tongues.
• 49:44
  It's and these things may be fun for, you know, very small tribes
• 49:48
  of people who, you know, don't know a lot of lost people and
• 49:52
  don't have much going on at their church, but they're not
• 49:56
  helpful. And, and the, the Calvinists
• 49:59
  too, the, the hard reform guys, there are soft reform, but
• 50:02
  there's hard reform is we have two doctrines that that are
• 50:05
  interesting. 1 the sovereignty of God is above all the other
• 50:08
  attributes of God. And so you got to be very
• 50:10
  careful when you take God's attributes and sort of elevate 1
• 50:13
  is the premier. So like the liberals will talk
• 50:16
  about God's love or his mercy. And that's, and that's the only
• 50:20
  attribute. If God is only sovereign, then
• 50:23
  you're knocking on the door of deism.
• 50:25
  That means that God is distant and far away and he's not
• 50:28
  involved. And the other is in the
• 50:30
  Westminster Confession, it says that God is without passions and
• 50:35
  that means emotions. And so for the nerds, they would
• 50:40
  stress the immutability of God, that God cannot be changed.
• 50:43
  So they, their, their argument logically, not biblically, would
• 50:47
  be that if God responds to you emotionally, you've changed him.
• 50:51
  And So what they do, they say God is sovereign and not
• 50:53
  emotional. So what do you end up with?
• 50:55
  People who are not relational, They're far away and they're not
• 51:00
  really emotionally connected. And so these are people that, I
• 51:03
  mean, I know them. I mean, these are people that
• 51:05
  literally will trash me online and they have my cell and they
• 51:08
  don't even call text or e-mail to see if it's true.
• 51:12
  And it's like that's, but then honestly, if you're that way and
• 51:18
  you don't, and if you're a cessationist who really doesn't
• 51:20
  believe in the fullness of the Holy Spirit, like if you have
• 51:23
  the Holy Spirit, I don't need to control you because he will.
• 51:26
  I don't need to push you because he will.
• 51:30
  And if I trust the Holy Spirit in you, he's going to figure it
• 51:33
  out. And if I don't believe you have
• 51:35
  the Holy Spirit, then I need to nominate myself to be the Holy
• 51:37
  Spirit. And so for me, like I believe in
• 51:40
  the Holy Spirit. I believe God is sovereign and
• 51:43
  transcendent. I believe He's imminent and
• 51:45
  present and I believe that we should be emotional and
• 51:49
  relational and I don't believe in the degrees of separation.
• 51:52
  And I'll talk to believers who love the Lord and disagree on a
• 51:54
  second handed issue and be friends with them and they'll
• 51:57
  freak out and I don't care. Yeah, I feel like for me,
• 52:03
  because obviously Trinity and a lot of people around there, you
• 52:07
  can get really down these rabbit trails on theology and the, the,
• 52:11
  the secondary issues, things that and they hold it so tight.
• 52:14
  I look at the example of Jesus and I don't see him doing
• 52:18
  dividing relationships and going on X and blowing people up over
• 52:22
  interracial marriage and attacking people on, on, oh, you
• 52:25
  said this theologically, it's a little off.
• 52:28
  The only time you see Jesus really get into theology is when
• 52:30
  he's correcting a Pharisee. A religious leader who's a
• 52:33
  hypocrite and leading people astray.
• 52:36
  Yep. So I, I, I feel like it's hard
• 52:39
  to read the Bible and come out of it and hold the views that
• 52:44
  the Reform community does, at least currently, what, what they
• 52:46
  are. Well, there's theological
• 52:49
  convictions and then there's relational practices.
• 52:54
  Because kids ran to Jesus. Most these reform guys don't
• 52:57
  have a kids ministry. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:00
  Well, and for me, like I am, I am theologically reformed and
• 53:04
  charismatic, but relationally I'm like I, we're all going to
• 53:07
  be together forever. So we probably should say hi
• 53:11
  before we get there because none of us is going to stand before
• 53:15
  Jesus and be like these guys. They got everything right.
• 53:18
  You're all now joining their team.
• 53:20
  We're all going to repent to something.
• 53:22
  We're all going to learn something and we're all wrong
• 53:24
  about something. And we need to have the the
• 53:26
  humility to build relationship and at least consider, you know,
• 53:30
  is it possible that I'm wrong? Or is it possible that that I
• 53:33
  could learn something from them and not just teach and correct
• 53:36
  them? Yep, Yep, that's really good.
• 53:39
  And the big theological question that everyone wants to know,
• 53:41
  Pastor Mark, is have you changed your position from 15 years ago
• 53:45
  on women preachers, Pastors, what is your current stance?
• 53:48
  Nothing has changed. And this is my 31st years of
• 53:51
  senior pastor in the pulpit on the Trinity, on predestination,
• 53:56
  on the resurrection, on substitutionary atonement, on
• 53:59
  the inheritance to Scripture, on original sin.
• 54:03
  Nothing. Not I.
• 54:05
  If anything, I am shocked at how boringly consistent I have been
• 54:10
  for over 30 years. You guys pull up clips that I
• 54:14
  said 25 years ago. I was like, it's the exact same
• 54:16
  thing. So let's just make it clear.
• 54:19
  So what we're talking about is First Timothy 2 and three and
• 54:22
  Titus one and First Timothy three.
• 54:26
  And yeah, First Timothy 3 and Titus talk about qualifications
• 54:30
  for a senior leader in a church. And it has a qualification.
• 54:33
  One of them is the husband of one wife.
• 54:35
  In the Greek text, it's literally a one woman man,
• 54:38
  meaning, you know, he's fully devoted to his wife.
• 54:41
  And so the primary qualifications for a senior male
• 54:44
  leader in the church is a godly man with a good marriage and
• 54:49
  he's a good father. That his priorities of God,
• 54:51
  wife, kids are his first priority and there's fruit
• 54:54
  there. In First Timothy 2, it says I do
• 54:56
  not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man.
• 54:59
  It's something called a hop hox legomena, meaning it only
• 55:02
  appears once in the Bible. So if you have a word and you're
• 55:05
  like, what does that word mean? It's like it only appears once.
• 55:08
  It's kind of hard to get a clear definition of what the word
• 55:11
  means because we don't we don't have context to view it
• 55:13
  elsewhere. Some would say that that means
• 55:17
  that a woman should never, ever teach in any sort of and
• 55:21
  shouldn't teach. Kids shouldn't teach.
• 55:23
  You know, women shouldn't teach or have authority over a man is
• 55:27
  what it says. Others would go to the other
• 55:30
  side and say, well, she can teach as long as she's under the
• 55:33
  authority of her husband. Because the issue here is being
• 55:35
  under a head and authority. My view has always been whatever
• 55:39
  the senior leadership in the church is, and we're not talking
• 55:42
  about real faith or some pro-life organization.
• 55:45
  We're not talking about a political organization.
• 55:46
  We're talking solely about the church that the senior leaders
• 55:50
  need to be men. And so in different churches and
• 55:54
  denominations, though, they'll use different terms for the
• 55:58
  senior leader. Like you go to a Baptist Church,
• 56:01
  you're like, well, who votes in the pastor?
• 56:02
  Like the Deacon board, you're like Deacon boards.
• 56:05
  OK, I guess the deacons here at the top of the food chain, you
• 56:09
  go into another church, you're like, what's the pastors?
• 56:11
  You're going to another say, well, we have the elders.
• 56:13
  You go into like a black church to like the Bishop.
• 56:16
  You're like the Bishop. OK, So don't get hung up on all
• 56:19
  the titles because different groups will use different
• 56:22
  titles. But just the question is, in
• 56:24
  senior leadership, my entire career, board members of the
• 56:28
  church have only been men. Without exception.
• 56:32
  My wife does make all the decisions with me because we're
• 56:36
  one. It's not good to be alone.
• 56:38
  And you know, prudent wife is from the Lord and she's my
• 56:41
  helper. She does sit in on the board
• 56:44
  meetings with me. And I want the church to have
• 56:47
  the heart of a mom and a dad because I'll be honest, I'm not
• 56:50
  the subject matter expert for women and children.
• 56:54
  And if something does happen to me, Grace temporarily boats in
• 56:59
  my place, representing my interests.
• 57:01
  So right now, we make decisions and I vote.
• 57:04
  Let's say something catastrophic happens.
• 57:06
  Grace will vote on my behalf temporarily because she would be
• 57:11
  representing what I would have voted if I was able to be at the
• 57:14
  meeting. It's never happened.
• 57:16
  That probably offends some people, but that's how we roll.
• 57:18
  Because I love my wife and we're one, and we do everything
• 57:20
  together. I've only ever called men in the
• 57:24
  church Pastor. We've reserved that title solely
• 57:28
  for men who meet the qualifications and so.
• 57:31
  And that's your church. That's my church.
• 57:33
  But you'd be friends with somebody in the AG church that
• 57:36
  has totally it's pastor that's a woman.
• 57:38
  Yeah, they well, and they'll use different terms.
• 57:39
  And sometimes even when you get into they're like, well, what we
• 57:42
  mean by pastor is this, and what you mean by pastor is this like,
• 57:45
  OK, well, Paul literally says don't quarrel over words.
• 57:48
  Yeah, he literally says not to. So there's the spirit of the law
• 57:51
  and the letter of the law. But again, it's a secondary open
• 57:53
  handed issue. And I, you know, like what this
• 57:58
  would be maybe a little controversy, but like, OK, so
• 58:01
  you got a guy who is complimentary and then reformed
• 58:04
  and male and committing adultery or apostate or soft woke.
• 58:09
  You're like, and he's like, that woman should not be preaching is
• 58:13
  like, well, at least she's not a heretic and she's not committing
• 58:17
  adultery. And, and the big issue is not
• 58:21
  that she's a woman, it's that you're not qualified as a man.
• 58:25
  It's that's what I like all these guys are arguing.
• 58:27
  It's like the whole reform community, all the guys are
• 58:29
  falling apart right now. And it's like you're not worried
• 58:32
  about that, but you're worried about polygamy, interracial
• 58:34
  marriage and women teaching. So you, you get so privileged
• 58:39
  and out of touch with the church that these guys just and they
• 58:44
  don't want to talk about those issues because, well, it might
• 58:46
  convict them. Yeah.
• 58:48
  And. Because the qualifications are
• 58:50
  how's your how's your relationship with Jesus, your
• 58:52
  wife and your kids, you know and like.
• 58:56
  And for me, though, to the the misleading part and we can move
• 58:58
  on was they said she preached at my church.
• 59:01
  It was a women preaching to women out of women's event.
• 59:05
  And So what that is is that's click bait and that's rage bait.
• 59:09
  And then when they get exposed of like, that was dishonesty and
• 59:12
  a violation of the 9th commandment, which I preached on
• 59:15
  shortly thereafter, then they pivot the argument to, well, her
• 59:19
  husband is brown. It's like, OK, this is what
• 59:22
  happens when you're unrepentant and you're being a Yep.
• 59:29
  Yeah, one of your with. GG the word, the letter J.
• 59:31
  And it ain't Jesus. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:36
  One of one of the guys that doesn't even like you One.
• 59:39
  Yeah, one of them, one of them, one of them response to protest
• 59:42
  you because they're like, what's misleading?
• 59:44
  And they go protest. You're breaking Mark Driscoll as
• 59:46
  a woman speak at a woman's event promotes her message wouldn't
• 59:49
  have got as many clicks. And women speak at women's
• 59:52
  events frequently in most evangelical churches.
• 59:54
  And there's nothing scandalous about about that.
• 59:57
  And you knew that. So they're getting called out by
• 1:00:00
  every side of this because it's like you, you just did a click
• 1:00:03
  bait article like. And the guys that are raging
• 1:00:07
  that are pastors, almost every one of them, their wife teaches
• 1:00:13
  women just like my wife. Now, I will say when I do
• 1:00:16
  marriage conferences or events, yeah, I'll pull my wife up.
• 1:00:21
  And when we're honoring women on Mother's Day or whatever, like
• 1:00:24
  they'll give testimony. Women lead worship at our church
• 1:00:27
  to administer sacraments. I mean, it's like, but we're
• 1:00:30
  probably not where people think I am.
• 1:00:33
  And I've got strong wife, strong daughters, strong daughter in
• 1:00:37
  laws, not independent and very, very strong.
• 1:00:40
  And I, I love to encourage women to be absolutely strong and in
• 1:00:46
  relation to their marriage, just not independent from their
• 1:00:49
  husband. And so our our model is always
• 1:00:52
  do ministry together. So in real faith and at Trinity,
• 1:00:57
  it's a lot of couples serving together.
• 1:00:59
  Oh yeah, yeah. My my wife serves here at the
• 1:01:02
  ministry. She teaches at Trinity.
• 1:01:04
  Sometimes she teaches online and I'm very grateful for her.
• 1:01:08
  You do ministry with your wife. I do ministry with my wife.
• 1:01:10
  My encouragement is always don't argue about women in ministry.
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  Have a good marriage and do ministry with your wife.
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  And if you're the head of household and family, then she's
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  probably not a fine minister, independent.
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  And so do life and ministry together.
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  That's what Grace and I've done our whole life.
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  I'm excited for your newest book, The Feminist Chauvinist.
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  The feminist chauvinist. I think that I mean, Jesus was
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  somewhere in between us. Well, awesome.
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  We'll move on to our next segment, which is on young men.
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  And what can young Christian men practically do to fight Islam,
• 1:01:41
  to build a life to to have a future in America?
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  And we wanted to roll a clip from one of your most favorite
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  young men that are out there right now.
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  Something has gone horribly wrong.
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  All of those people, with some exceptions, were never Trumpers
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  in 2016. Shapiro didn't vote for Trump in
• 1:02:04
  16. Mark Levin was critical of Trump
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  in 2016. Where were these?
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  People when the movement was actually born, when those
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  pillars were in place. Now all of those people are in
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  the center. The movement is something else
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  now and what we need in 2028. This is our last chance.
• 1:02:24
  We need in 2026 for this administration to be shut the
• 1:02:27
  fuck down. What does this administration do
• 1:02:31
  other than cover up the Epstein files, embezzle money through
• 1:02:34
  government contracts, and bring us to war for Israel?
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  This administration needs to be shut down immediately.
• 1:02:43
  Do not vote in the midterms, and if you do, vote for Democrats.
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  Fuck this. That is what the Republicans
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  deliver. That is what our golden age
• 1:02:53
  looks like. The tariffs were refunded.
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  The deportations were. Stopped.
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  They wound down and withdrew the ice from Minneapolis.
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  What does this administration do other than embezzle money?
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  Go to. War with Iran and bury the
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  Epstein file. So Nick Fuentes, he's just a
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  he's just a good hearted young man just really trying to make a
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  difference. He.
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  Taps true or false to Atlanta. He taps into anger that a lot of
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  young men are feeling. Yes.
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  So, so I'm not saying that we agree with the racism, right
• 1:03:26
  that, but the, the the route is men are angry and he's an angry
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  men. So they identify with that.
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  True, 100% true. I think my concern when I listen
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  to that and I hear because it, it inspires something in me, I'm
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  like, yeah, I'm, I'm mad. It's victimhood.
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  I, I, I'm, I'm not a victim. Life is hard.
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  America is hard thing things are.
• 1:03:49
  It's not easy to meet gals. It's not it's not easy to build
• 1:03:52
  a life, but never has been in America.
• 1:03:55
  The American dream wasn't something that just happened to
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  people. I was looking at it right before
• 1:04:00
  we got into this. The Great Depression,
• 1:04:03
  unemployment hit 25%. We are at 4% currently.
• 1:04:08
  The GDP fell 30% in four years. We're growing every single year.
• 1:04:15
  9000 banks failed, suicide rates rose 22%.
• 1:04:22
  The annual income drop from 2300 a month or a year to 1400 a
• 1:04:27
  year. What what's hard about America
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  today is that everybody's glued to a cell phone, everyone's on
• 1:04:35
  social media, everyone's comparing.
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  And I think messages like this create a victimhood in young men
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  where it only perpetuates the problem.
• 1:04:43
  It doesn't dig us out of it. And not going out and voting
• 1:04:47
  isn't going to help. But what I I think helps is
• 1:04:51
  young men getting involved in their church, serving,
• 1:04:55
  volunteering, doing something. I being busy, I think the the
• 1:05:00
  most dangerous thing for a young man is a lot of free time where
• 1:05:03
  you're just scrolling on your phone listening to guys like
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  this and not working. Before I was married to Ashley,
• 1:05:09
  I work 2 full time jobs and I volunteered at the church pretty
• 1:05:12
  much full time and I was very busy.
• 1:05:15
  I was in three Bible studies. I LED two of them.
• 1:05:19
  I graduated college well before everyone else my age and I was
• 1:05:22
  flipping cars. I stayed really busy.
• 1:05:25
  And I think young men, we're not busy enough.
• 1:05:27
  We're we're at home playing video games.
• 1:05:29
  We're at home listening to content that makes us angry.
• 1:05:32
  And we're in the gym where we will never meet another gal.
• 1:05:36
  Hopefully you're in the gym. I mean, that's a good thing.
• 1:05:37
  I'm not discouraging that, but. But most of your proverbs 31
• 1:05:41
  women are not in a sports bra at the gym.
• 1:05:43
  No, no, you go to a Scottsdale gym and it's like, all right,
• 1:05:46
  I'm going to do my set. But I think it is, it is very
• 1:05:52
  easy to listen to that. And I mean, Nick Fuentes, before
• 1:05:56
  he got his podcast rolling, and even when I think even till
• 1:06:00
  somewhat recently, he, he didn't have a job and he lived with his
• 1:06:04
  parents and then he went to political commentator.
• 1:06:07
  I, I don't, you don't really have a resume to ignite young
• 1:06:09
  men to go build something. You have a resume to ignite
• 1:06:13
  young men to be angry about something.
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  And that's, that's what he's built the platform off of.
• 1:06:17
  And so for me, I, I have a lot of caution for a young man that
• 1:06:22
  just wants to be angry right now and feel like they can't dig out
• 1:06:24
  of this hole. You are the only person that can
• 1:06:27
  dig out of this hole for yourself.
• 1:06:29
  You're the only person that can build a life in America.
• 1:06:31
  And we live in one of the greatest countries to do that.
• 1:06:34
  And we can hate our country, complain about Iran, We can
• 1:06:37
  complain about what Trump's doing, all these things, but we
• 1:06:40
  have to take personal responsibility and do something.
• 1:06:43
  We have to get activated. And the first step, if I was
• 1:06:46
  single and early 20s, I would go serve at my church.
• 1:06:49
  I would find a good church. I would serve there and serve
• 1:06:52
  there as much as possible. I would get a job.
• 1:06:54
  I would get a second job. As busy as I possibly could be.
• 1:06:58
  Well, I might not meet a girl. You, you might, though.
• 1:07:00
  You definitely won't meet her. You could lead one to Christ.
• 1:07:03
  Yeah if you're like I can't find a Christian women, then go
• 1:07:06
  advanced. Not missionary dating, but like
• 1:07:08
  be evangelistic and I'll tell you what I mean.
• 1:07:11
  You can lead to God of Christ to marry her. 100 percent, 100% get
• 1:07:16
  involved in a church together. That's awesome.
• 1:07:18
  Get married quick. Don't don't like date for three
• 1:07:21
  years. If you can date a girl for three
• 1:07:23
  years, I don't think you should get married.
• 1:07:25
  If you can stay out of sin and date a girl for three years, I
• 1:07:27
  don't. I don't think you.
• 1:07:28
  Should unless you're 12 or. Something yes.
• 1:07:29
  Yes if you're young. But if you're in your 20s and
• 1:07:31
  you meet a girl and you both love Jesus and you have a shared
• 1:07:35
  vision for life, get married and then have a lot of kids, have
• 1:07:39
  have too many kids. Because Islam is planning for
• 1:07:44
  the future and we're not. We are victims complaining about
• 1:07:47
  the future or victims complaining about the present
• 1:07:50
  right now. And we need to think a lot more
• 1:07:53
  about our future, our family's future, my family, because
• 1:07:56
  there's been all throughout the Bible people living in much
• 1:07:59
  worse times than we are. We are incredibly blessed to
• 1:08:02
  live in America. Freedom of religion.
• 1:08:05
  There's plenty of churches that the problem with the churches,
• 1:08:07
  it's so privileged. They can have all these views
• 1:08:09
  and go woke and it is no longer a church.
• 1:08:13
  But we have so much opportunity in America.
• 1:08:16
  There are so many jobs, there are so many great people.
• 1:08:21
  You just have to make progress and it progress doesn't look
• 1:08:24
  like some magical day in your future.
• 1:08:27
  It is progress is going and getting a couple jobs and
• 1:08:29
  volunteering a lot. Having the uncomfortable
• 1:08:31
  conversation, putting yourself out there and talking to a girl,
• 1:08:35
  putting some stuff at risk and being vulnerable.
• 1:08:37
  And then ask her out, tell her she's pretty.
• 1:08:41
  Ask her if she wants to be her wife and if she'll sign up for
• 1:08:43
  that, Do that and roll forward. We were talking to one of the
• 1:08:47
  guys before and there's 35 year olds reaching out to him like I
• 1:08:50
  want to, I want to build a life like yours.
• 1:08:52
  And it's, it's a little sad hearing that.
• 1:08:53
  And you are the only person that can build a life for yourself.
• 1:08:58
  The government isn't going to do it.
• 1:08:59
  Trump is not going to do it. Your school is not going to do
• 1:09:02
  it. Your job's not going to do it.
• 1:09:03
  And your church probably won't do it.
• 1:09:05
  A lot of churches suck nowadays. But you have to get activated if
• 1:09:09
  you want a life that's different than yours, if you want to.
• 1:09:12
  We can either be victims or we can make progress as Christian
• 1:09:15
  men. And I think we're called to make
• 1:09:17
  progress. One in that too.
• 1:09:20
  What would you say to a young guy who's like in where I live,
• 1:09:22
  there's not a great church. There's not a lot of young
• 1:09:24
  women. Move, move.
• 1:09:27
  Why would you stay there? One of the one of the awesome
• 1:09:30
  guys at Real Faith moved here from San Diego.
• 1:09:32
  He couldn't find a great church. There wasn't great women.
• 1:09:34
  He moved to Scottsdale during COVID, found a great wife, found
• 1:09:38
  a great job and he's been here ever since.
• 1:09:39
  And now he. Has saw his adorable, beautiful
• 1:09:42
  baby girl here and it's like, yeah, just, I mean, sometimes
• 1:09:46
  you just got to like, hey, there ain't good fishing in this trout
• 1:09:50
  pond. I got to go find a new lake, I
• 1:09:51
  mean. And if you live somewhere super
• 1:09:53
  liberal, I would move for sure. Go, go get around some great
• 1:09:57
  gals and it's there. It's not weird to move to a
• 1:09:59
  church. Like move like, oh, there's a
• 1:10:02
  great church in North Carolina. Let me move there and go there.
• 1:10:05
  Oh, Scottsdale, AZ, oh, Josh McPherson in Wenatchee, like
• 1:10:09
  just go be part of a great community.
• 1:10:10
  I think that's like the most important thing for young men.
• 1:10:14
  Well, and and in that too, so if you are a single guy and you're
• 1:10:18
  like, you know, Epstein files and Iran and da, da, da, da da
• 1:10:22
  and ice, OK, all of which I'm conservative way over on the
• 1:10:25
  right. But if you're single, you're not
• 1:10:29
  thinking about school choice because you don't have kids.
• 1:10:33
  You're trying to sign up for school.
• 1:10:34
  So now that you're a dad, how important is it to not just dump
• 1:10:39
  the midterms and vote for Democrats?
• 1:10:42
  Because like here in Arizona, like we've got to get a governor
• 1:10:44
  and attorney general and they're coming after school choice.
• 1:10:49
  And like, you've got a little boy who's going to need to go to
• 1:10:51
  school. You know how how much is it
• 1:10:55
  irresponsible to say ignore the midterms when it's not just
• 1:11:00
  national, it's it's state and local issues in play as well?
• 1:11:03
  It's the issue of life abortion, it's the issue of school, it's
• 1:11:07
  the issue of taxes. All these things that we're
• 1:11:10
  worried about. If you just dump the election
• 1:11:13
  could be catastrophic. You could like Arizona is a hard
• 1:11:16
  one because we're teetering blue or red always.
• 1:11:19
  And so you, we can't give up ground.
• 1:11:22
  We, we have to keep fighting for turning towards policies that
• 1:11:27
  will lead to life and flourishing.
• 1:11:29
  And we're very quickly seeing States and cities like New York
• 1:11:33
  that are just taking a hard left and to the point where it's not
• 1:11:37
  habitable. But we're 10 years away from
• 1:11:39
  that in any state like Arizona or we're teetering and there's a
• 1:11:42
  lot of people moving here. We, we could look like New York
• 1:11:45
  in 20 years. And I want to build a city in a
• 1:11:49
  state where my son can live in the future, not that he has to
• 1:11:52
  go live in the middle of Wyoming to to try and have some decent
• 1:11:56
  life and get married. And so I think it's it's very
• 1:12:01
  hard because most of the political commentators like him,
• 1:12:05
  he's not married, he doesn't have kids.
• 1:12:07
  He has a platform where he grows his platform by creating more
• 1:12:11
  victims. And I think we need a lot less
• 1:12:13
  victims as young men. And we need guys that are taking
• 1:12:16
  responsibility. And yeah, if you don't have a
• 1:12:18
  community move, that's taking ownership.
• 1:12:20
  And I think the world will sell you victimhood.
• 1:12:23
  I think it's very easy to buy into and it makes you passive.
• 1:12:27
  It's like that. That's the passivity that I'm
• 1:12:29
  like, yeah, I can sit back and take it or I can do something.
• 1:12:33
  And I'm the kind of guy that needs to do something.
• 1:12:35
  I'm not going to just, oh, yeah, my life sucks.
• 1:12:37
  It's hard. Yeah, it is hard.
• 1:12:40
  I'm sorry. The part of it too is when God
• 1:12:45
  gives you an opportunity to have a family.
• 1:12:48
  The national issues matter, but suddenly the most close
• 1:12:54
  proximity issues matter most. Like, you know, we bomb Iran and
• 1:13:00
  you know, the grandkids are over at our house playing.
• 1:13:04
  I can't control whether or not we bomb Iran, but I can control
• 1:13:07
  whether or not I know my grandkids.
• 1:13:10
  And we have joy together. And so that's what you're
• 1:13:14
  talking about is taking all of that maybe energy, emotion, even
• 1:13:19
  anger and directing it. And so, you know, for those of
• 1:13:22
  us who are older, we were talking about this for the
• 1:13:24
  younger guys offline with a guy like Nick Fuentes or like he's a
• 1:13:28
  racist, he's a this and that and that and that.
• 1:13:30
  OK, OK. Yeah.
• 1:13:30
  So the solutions, let's know. But is there is there any
• 1:13:36
  measure of reasonableness and the frustration?
• 1:13:40
  Yes. Like I've got, you know, I've
• 1:13:43
  got kids that are in their 20s. Like interest rates have been
• 1:13:46
  horrible. The, the housing market is a
• 1:13:49
  horrible time to enter the market.
• 1:13:52
  I would be very frustrated if I was a young guy who was working
• 1:13:55
  hard and, and, and I couldn't get into the housing market.
• 1:13:58
  I would be very frustrated if I was a young guy and it seemed
• 1:14:02
  like, man, we're, we're, we're helping other nations, but I
• 1:14:05
  haven't seen any personal progress in mine.
• 1:14:08
  I I understand all of that. But then the, the issue is, OK,
• 1:14:12
  well, what's the solution? And the solution is you may not
• 1:14:15
  be able to change America, but you can create a place that is
• 1:14:21
  really beautiful for your family.
• 1:14:24
  And it's like in the days of Noah, like everybody else got
• 1:14:28
  flooded. But Noah's family was OK.
• 1:14:30
  He built his ark. And as a man, yeah, you, you
• 1:14:33
  want to, you hope that the nation doesn't have a flood.
• 1:14:36
  But if there is a flood, like, where's your ark?
• 1:14:38
  And like, what is your, what is your family?
• 1:14:40
  Go in. What do you I think that that's
• 1:14:42
  where my my mindset lands is what is the life I can build for
• 1:14:47
  my family because I'm not going to.
• 1:14:49
  I will vote, but I'm not going to impact that much when it has
• 1:14:52
  to do with the Epstein files or what we do in Iran.
• 1:14:55
  I have to Romans 13 and submit to that.
• 1:14:57
  God put Trump in place right now and actually he's fighting evil.
• 1:15:01
  So I'm not going to. It could be a lot worse.
• 1:15:04
  It could be a lot worse, and I'm in the bleachers.
• 1:15:07
  God didn't call me to be president.
• 1:15:09
  So how privileged is it for all these Christians to sit back and
• 1:15:12
  critique him? Hey, he's not making the
• 1:15:14
  decision you'd make, but God didn't put you there.
• 1:15:16
  So at Romans 13, let's submit and just trust that this is from
• 1:15:21
  God. But what can we do?
• 1:15:22
  What? What is my responsibility as a
• 1:15:24
  man? And it has been historically it,
• 1:15:29
  it has been harder for men than it is now.
• 1:15:32
  We we live in a pretty awesome time in the history of the
• 1:15:38
  country and of the world. And we have self driving cars.
• 1:15:42
  We have food that I could click order right now and it'd be here
• 1:15:46
  by the end of the show. Like we do live in a pretty
• 1:15:49
  great time. It just is a little defeating, I
• 1:15:51
  think for young men that's we're falling.
• 1:15:55
  Less guys are in college than ever before.
• 1:15:57
  Less guys are employed than ever before.
• 1:16:00
  More females are the world is shifting female and it is not
• 1:16:05
  honoring young men, but So what we we got to do something and
• 1:16:11
  and like you said, build an arc for our family, get activated in
• 1:16:15
  in what, what can you control? What can you build?
• 1:16:19
  I I think of the the show undercover undercover
• 1:16:23
  billionaire. It's like drop, drop you in a
• 1:16:25
  city for 90 days. You're starting over.
• 1:16:27
  What would you do practically, if if you started over right now
• 1:16:31
  and you were 20 and you had no wife, no kids, no job, what
• 1:16:35
  would you do? Yeah, for me, I mean so so part
• 1:16:39
  of it too is like you're in front of you.
• 1:16:41
  Like I'm angry, I'm responding, I'm angry, I'm responding, I'm
• 1:16:43
  angry and responding and then my day's over.
• 1:16:46
  OK, OK, what do I want to build? Where do I want to go and start
• 1:16:51
  to have a Longview. I was talking to Grace about
• 1:16:54
  this week. We are hike went for a like a
• 1:16:56
  long hike in the woods on Friday was our date and just holding
• 1:16:59
  hands and praying and visiting and she said God put in me.
• 1:17:03
  She said something really strange.
• 1:17:04
  She said ever since you were a little boy you've thought very
• 1:17:07
  long term. Like I remember being a little
• 1:17:09
  boy thinking about being a dad. I was the same way.
• 1:17:12
  Yep. You know, and I and so like once
• 1:17:15
  I started, like once I met Grace, I was like, OK, there's
• 1:17:17
  my girl. And what happens once you meet
• 1:17:20
  your girl, you become a lot more efficient.
• 1:17:23
  And usually to marry that girl, there's some sort of Mount
• 1:17:26
  Everest you've got to climb to get there.
• 1:17:29
  Financial, geographical, whatever.
• 1:17:31
  It like something you got to you like you got to earn it.
• 1:17:35
  And once I met Grace, it was like, OK, I want to have a
• 1:17:37
  family with this woman. I want to have kids.
• 1:17:39
  I want to be a dad. I want to go to Little League
• 1:17:42
  games. I want to have tea parties like,
• 1:17:44
  you know, and I'm living in downtown Seattle in the CHOP
• 1:17:47
  zone and there isn't even a Republican precinct because I
• 1:17:50
  haven't voted for anybody since 1980.
• 1:17:52
  And it's like I'm not expecting Seattle to create a great
• 1:17:54
  environment for my kids, but I can to the best of my ability.
• 1:17:59
  And and you know, then once you get married and you start
• 1:18:01
  thinking about being a grandpa, like where I'm at now is
• 1:18:03
  grandpa. So what am I thinking about?
• 1:18:04
  Like, OK, how do I create an environment that the grandkids
• 1:18:08
  are loved and you guys can get dates and be blessed, the
• 1:18:11
  couples and then and then at some point when God gives them
• 1:18:14
  vision and dream for their future, like how can I add value
• 1:18:17
  and participate? And at the end of the day, you
• 1:18:20
  know, I'm going to stand before God and give an account for me,
• 1:18:24
  for my wife, for my kids, for how I treat my grandkids.
• 1:18:28
  Somebody else is going to stand before God and give an account
• 1:18:30
  for the Upstein Files. I think it's grotesque and it's
• 1:18:34
  evil and it is demonic and it is horrific.
• 1:18:38
  But I can put a playset at my kids, my grand, for my grandkids
• 1:18:42
  in the backyard, and when they can come over, make sure that
• 1:18:46
  they have a lot of fun together now that I can do and that I do
• 1:18:49
  have responsibility and dominion for and that I'll give account
• 1:18:53
  to God for. And so if you're a single guy,
• 1:18:56
  like man, yeah, I think you're right, Find a good church, find
• 1:18:58
  a girl and start dreaming about building a family.
• 1:19:02
  And you may say, well, it's really hard to buy a house right
• 1:19:04
  now. There are there are times that
• 1:19:06
  interest rates have actually been double where they are right
• 1:19:08
  now. And no government assistance.
• 1:19:11
  So I was talking to a guy this week and he's buying a house and
• 1:19:15
  the government is giving him his entire down payment and it's
• 1:19:19
  going to be the exact same cost as renting.
• 1:19:21
  So it's awesome. It's awesome.
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  I, I, I think my concern with guys like Nick Fuentes is you
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  can play video games and listen to his podcast and be completely
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  content as a victim and America isn't that bad.
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  It's awesome. It's like pretty great, but it
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  is pretty easy to just have somebody tell you it's really
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  hard and there's there's no way to dig out of it.
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  It is hard. It's freaking hard.
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  It's hard to be a man. It's hard to generate revenue.
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  It's hard to run a business, it's hard to live with a woman,
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  it's hard to raise kids, it's hard not to self destruct, and
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  it's just freaking hard. It is, and it's awesome.
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  So worthwhile. And there are problems.
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  And bitching isn't a solution. Working, acting, fighting
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  gravity. That's a solution. 100% And
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  that, that's the thing it's, it's easy to sit and not not
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  start climbing the mountain and listen to that and play video
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  games and just check out and you feel justified.
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  But when you're 40 and wifeless, you, you regret not starting to
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  climb that mountain. And it it does take just putting
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  a foot in front of the other showing up to that church.
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  Oh man, I don't have any friends.
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  Show up to their men's group, show up again, show up again.
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  Oh, there's an opportunity to serve.
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  Oh, that that single mom's car just broke down.
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  Let me go help. Like what are the ways you can
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  get involved in and build character, develop character and
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  be a good man And God will bless that.
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  There's very few guys getting activated in the church that are
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  young men. God, God pours out grace on that
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  and he, he will bring your wife into your life like he will
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  bring a great job. He will bring the things that
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  you need. You're stewarding what He's
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  giving you right here. Your dominion currently, and
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  maybe it's a small dominion, but start having dominion over it.
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  Yeah. And in close to this, like, you
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  know, the New Testament is written to people who didn't
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  know what was going on in the world.
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  They didn't travel. They didn't have media, They
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  didn't have social media. So what did they concern
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  themselves with? Hyperlocal matters.
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  Yep. Because that's all they had and
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  that's all they knew. And honestly, at least for a
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  season for many people it wouldn't be bad to just limit
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  the scope of information and focus to just what is
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  hyperlocal. And that's that's the for all of
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  human history, people have had it off pretty bad.
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  That's why I bring up the Great Depression.
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  Men couldn't control anything else other than who are you
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  going to be? How are you going to show up
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  locally with your family, with your job, and are you going to
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  make a difference? So I totally agree.
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  I think we're way too connected to the world.
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  I don't think any of us in this room have anything to do with
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  the Epstein files like I that we can't affect what the president
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  does or the next president or Congress or anything.
• 1:22:14
  But we can love our wife, we can love our kids, we can build
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  wealth for the future. That that that's what we can do.
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  We can serve at our church. We can give generously.
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  And it, like you said, that's the stuff we'll give an account
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  for. And I think that's spot on.
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  And that's where the joy is. What makes a man angry is he
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  sees things that are wrong and they're out of this control.
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  So OK, problem agreed. Solution is what can you do then
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  do that? The solution doesn't sell.
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  No, the solution is hard. The solution is very hard, but
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  it gets easier when you when you just start getting momentum in
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  that direction, all of a sudden things start coming together.
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  Well, God puts grace on it. For the young men watching the
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  show, you want to pray over them and close us out.
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  Yeah, Lord, to some degree we understand the anger and the
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  frustration and, and part, Lord, because there's a whole group of
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  young men who surge to conservatism and surge to the
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  polls. And they were told that some
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  things were going to happen domestically and that certain
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  things wouldn't happen internationally.
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  And, and Lord, there's a frustration because they're not
• 1:23:20
  seeing the return on investment for their vote.
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  But Lord, we know, we know that this is a broken, flawed world.
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  We know that there is only one absolutely perfect, truthful
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  leader and his name is Jesus Christ.
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  We know that Lord God government makes promises that it can't
• 1:23:42
  deliver. And we know that that'll be the
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  case until the Lord Jesus comes back and we have his Kingdom.
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  And so, Lord, I pray for all the young men, for those who are
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  discouraged, God ask in Jesus name that you would pour some
• 1:23:55
  courage into them to get started, to get activated.
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  Lord, for those who are just angry and frustrated, I pray
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  they would take that energy and that they would put it toward a
• 1:24:04
  positive outcome and solution to get moving on life for
• 1:24:08
  themselves and for their family and for their legacy.
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  And Lord, guys for the guys who are in it, they're trying to
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  work their jobs, start their company, love their wife, raise
• 1:24:18
  their kids, pay their bills, you know, buy their house.
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  Lord, I pray that the words of Paul would ring true to do not
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  grow weary and going good. And so Lord, thank you that you
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  put a load on us. As I've always said, men Dr.
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  straighter with a load. And so, Lord, I pray that these
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  young men would load themselves up with responsibility in Jesus
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  name, Amen. Amen.
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