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Cyclones throttled at Kansas, Wade Lookingbill on Iowa Hoops & Adam Emmenecker on the Missouri Valley · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, Miller Condon, Welcome the Iowa Sports Radio Network, Trent
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Condon and Ken Miller for the next two hours to talk sports
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with you. Thanks for starting your
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afternoon with us. Wherever you're listening on the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network or on the iheart app or on Des Moines
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Sports Station One O 6.3 KXNO. Here's what's coming up on our
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program. Former Hawkeye Wade looking bill
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will join Trent tonight in about 25 minutes.
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Take a look at Purdue and Iowa tonight.
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That is a 530 tip from Mackey. Purdue, a 10 1/2 point favorite
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to roughly 1010 1/2 is the number on that game tonight.
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So we'll take a look at Purdue and Iowa.
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Purdue's only lost once and Iowa walks in there tonight trying to
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stop a losing streak. We'll see how that goes.
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We'll talk to Wade looking Bill about it at 12:25.
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Then Adam Emmenecker, normally Tuesdays, but Wednesday this
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week and then he's back to Tuesdays, is our weekly Missouri
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Valley Conference spot with Adam Emmenecker.
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Drake on the road tonight. Southern Illinois is where they
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will play and they are a Six Point Rd. dog, five and a half
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six in that one. So we'll talk to Emmenecker
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about the Valley. Northern Iowa fell yesterday.
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That's coming up at 12:40. Five off to Chicago.
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We will go catch up with Cappy. He joins us every Wednesday to
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kick off the second hour of our show this week, no different,
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Cappy. A lot of Bears talk.
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Obviously that will rule the rules, but we'll get some Cubs
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talk in there as well with Bregman and the Nico Horner
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rumors out there. Cubs con coming up this weekend.
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And then finally, Vinnie Iyer who covers the NFL for The
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Sporting News. He will join us to help us opine
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more on the four divisional games that will take place this
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weekend. Trent will make some picks,
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the bench with Lucas and Sean. How are you, Trent?
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Doing well. Good to see you again.
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It's been a what? An hour and a half?
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Well, not about an hour. Yeah, since we taped our
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Mediacom show, I guess maybe the focus of this opening statement.
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You can't win them all. Yes.
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Absolutely. And that was a very apparent
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very early in that basketball game.
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Look, it's we've been harping on it for weeks.
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Slow start, slow start, slow start.
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Iowa State's been good enough to find a way to to overcome those
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slow starts. Yesterday, they weren't.
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That was by far and away Kansas's best effort yesterday.
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But Dinga was unbelievable. Counsel White, Darren, Darren
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Peterson. It's a reason that he or Boozer
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will be the first overall pick in this upcoming draft.
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But Kansas looked like Kansas again.
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They flicked, they flexed. Fog Allen had the last laugh and
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a 21 point victory. So the take away to me as he saw
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something out of the bench and I believe this is something.
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For Iowa State. For Iowa State Bateman in
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particular. Bateman Heise had a couple of
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shots. Tom Nelson had a good drive.
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It just you need these guys. We've seen this.
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You can't go in and make a deep March run with way certainly
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that Iowa State's built. It's one thing you got a bunch
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of super NBA talents, you got a bunch of lottery picks, OK, you
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can go 6 deep and be fine. But for what Iowa State is, and
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Oh yes, their starters are better, you're going to need
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this bench. The grind through in foul
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trouble hits is it did yesterday with.
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Manchilovich, the Big 12 is too good.
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The Big 12 is too good to go through this 18 game and what
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was a 20 game gauntlet to get through this thing?
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And by the time you get to March and then you go to Kansas City
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and you play in the conference tournament, it's Iowa State.
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I'll probably make a run there and play 2-3 games down there.
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It's just too much. How many times have we seen this
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team historically and get knocked off after a great run in
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Kansas City because they're tired?
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You need to rely on the bench and yes, overall, playing your
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best seven guys is better than the 9:00.
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But when you look at it in the big picture, this is something
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that I believe is going to be a necessity.
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We're talking about a team that still has the talent to be in
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the lead 18 to get to a Final Four.
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It's still there, but in order to be at that place and be able
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to peak come the middle of March, you're going to have to
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rely on this bench more than TJ Otzelberger has before.
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And what we see, these guys can do it.
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It's not going to happen every time.
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There's going to be inconsistency, and that's part
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of being reserved, certainly even for a team this good.
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But you're going to have to rely on.
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Them Bateman might provide that consistencies more so than any,
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although maybe that's unfair. Still freshmen.
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I mean, we see the wall hit. I know you're right, but he's
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had his moments in the month of January.
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I thought he's had a pretty good month so far.
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Heise can finally he can. Heise, as you mentioned, made a
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couple of big threes in that game yesterday, but it was just
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like they they tried to make it close in the second they went.
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There was a stretch. There was like, what was it 44
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to 16 for the longest time late in the first time thinking, Oh
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my God, they're not going to get to 20.
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Well, they finally did as I think it was Toure and he didn't
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score a bunch. That might have been his only in
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fact, it is his only bucket that he stopped that too long
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scoreless drought in the first half.
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But look, fog Allen in in Kansas and it's just a very difficult
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place to walk into and win. And we've seen it in the past
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last night a bit. And I'll say this.
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I don't know what the secondary market was going to be for this
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Valentine's night special when Kansas comes to Iowa State.
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But that ticket, I think, is going to be very is that a what
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day of the week is Valentine's Day?
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Good question. Let's see.
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It is on a Saturday this year. So how about a three o'clock
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tip? Maybe a 5:00 tip?
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Restaurants and Ames? That'll be very difficult, yes,
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if indeed that's. Get your reservations.
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Down, get your reservations down and try and get those tickets
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now if you don't have them already.
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It's going to be banged out anyways.
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But Kansas with a little payback on on the Cyclone fan bases,
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Cyclone nations mind. We'll see.
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But yeah, I, I don't think that I look at this team any
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different today than I did yesterday.
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I I wish Jefferson would maybe get a little bit more under
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control early in that game. Turnovers were were not good for
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him early in the basketball game on Chilovich and foul trouble.
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Buchanan seems to, at least for the time being.
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Salt has foul trouble, though. He didn't get a lot of minutes
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in that game yesterday as well. So you weren't going to make it
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through the season unbeaten And the target was not to be peaking
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in the middle of January, as you mentioned, it's the middle of
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March. You're going to lose games.
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Hell, Michigan just got picked off this last weekend.
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Purdue hasn't lost since Iowa State kicked them off in
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November. The good teams are all going to
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lose at some point. Well, maybe not Arizona.
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They're going to lose. Yeah, I know they are.
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They're going to lose. Everybody's going to lose.
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There is not the gap between everybody else and them is not
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that significant. This is going to happen.
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I think it was the fashion though, and it was the same
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calling card as you open the conversation, slow starts.
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There we go again. And they kind of they cured that
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for a moment. It was 49.
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There was that loose ball on the near side baseline, that loose
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ball that Kansas made a hustle play.
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They got the ball LED to a three-point.
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Don't remember what it led to but there was a cyclone that
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jumped into there as well but the Jayhawk beat him to the
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basketball. And I think it led to a three
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made it 79 and just like that looked like they were going to
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get a steal, maybe a run out that was going to happen.
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Of course that didn't happen. And there were those moments,
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even the second-half, they cut it to 11.
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Everything was going their way. I it felt like is this going?
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To be another 1-3 minutes without scoring.
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Well, and they had a layup at the rim and it was Bateman that
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missed that reverse layup look like, oh, going to get the tip
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back. I think Tory maybe was there.
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He couldn't get the tip and then we know what happened.
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I think Badinga had a dunk right after.
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That I thought Badinga was really.
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Good. He was outstanding.
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I really thought he played an outstanding game yesterday.
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Peterson is Peterson. I mean, he's so gifted as a
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player, but this is a good team. I mean, White Council, these are
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two good players on this on this squad and no, 21 points, it's
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fog. Allen wasn't going to be easy.
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McDowell comes in, hits a couple of three pointers for him.
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When they shoot the ball, when they're knocking down, shots
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like that gonna be tough to beat.
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They're talented. There's the reason the point
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spread was 3 1/2 right, with an unbeaten team and a team that
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was one and two in conference. And as we told you yesterday,
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the projected point spread by Ken Palm was 6 how many
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buildings can get what the fuck did?
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And that thing was charged up and they were ready, you know,
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but plenty of Cyclone fans look like sounded like were there
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were made their way. There, yeah, didn't have many
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opportunities to get in full throat, but you could tell that
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there were certainly a fair number.
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Look, I think for a lot of them, I mean, obviously, right.
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If you're going to if you're going to follow your team on the
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road in the Big 12, we're going to go right.
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You this this is this is bucket list for a lot of college
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basketball fans to get to this place.
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And a lot of them over the years have, you know, checked that box
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and scratched that off and I've been able to get there and I
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think a lot of them probably did for the first time last night.
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It's a phenomenal building. I've never been into it, but I
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had nothing. But I loved when remember a
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couple of years ago, Holly Rd. took us underneath it and took
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us some some of the nooks and underneath the the bowels or
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whatever of fog. Allen just took us behind the
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scenes. We'd never seen that before.
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Pretty cool building it. Was, I've been there once and it
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was, I want to say 2007, 2008, right in that range.
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I was down for Thanksgiving visiting my dad down in Oklahoma
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on the drive back. Oh, you stopped.
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There. Well, I first stopped on
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Saturday, went to the Oklahoma State Oklahoma game and then on
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Sunday Kansas was playing Arizona.
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Found a ticket and don't mill it around like 45 bucks.
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Back in the day when there were tickets.
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Absolutely yes, for a real. Ticket you scalp now, by the
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way. I have no idea.
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I don't either. What are you doing?
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You got to scan something I guess.
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You don't see anybody on the corner of the handful of
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tickets. Well, they probably got a
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handful of papers maybe that they printed off something like
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that or do. You scalp tickets Are there such
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a? Thing Oh absolutely I see
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mechanic yeah, I see mechanic all the time they're they're
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standing around there. I don't know how the your.
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IPhone up in the air? Probably not.
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Probably just hold 2 fingers up in the air or the guys still
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have the signs. Need tickets.
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Me too. Yeah.
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And you know, they buying tickets?
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Yeah. Need tickets.
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Yeah, they got tickets. They've got tickets.
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They've been trying to steal your tickets for steal them, but
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certainly did not give you what you would be worth.
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It is a great building. Yeah, I bet it is.
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It's that's something you should.
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Do no, it's not an Ankeny. So I mean I I say it's all the
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time and I I would love to, but I just won't.
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I know myself better. Than I won't.
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At least you know yourself. Yeah, I would love to.
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I mean, what, there was 1 yesterday that I mentioned I'd
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love to get to at one point. Then I'm driving home thinking
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it's never going to happen. I'm going to leave.
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Who are you trying to kid? Let's get Jeff in here, then
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we'll move on. Get a little Iowa Purdue
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conversation going here. Jeff, how are you doing?
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Well, you know, last night, again, it's like what you guys
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have said and I've said on this show numerous times, we're in
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the middle of January. I understand that.
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Like I said yesterday, if there's a game that the Cyclone
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fan base wants to win, if you pulled it, it's Kansas to start
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the game. I didn't see 0 urgency.
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None. They get there.
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And again, it's the same things I just said yesterday.
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There was no passion. You're walking into to 1 of what
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you guys have just said, one of the college basketball and and
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it's not like this is a young team.
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This is this is a this is an upperclassman team.
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And there was and there was just nothing there.
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Now, yeah, you want to say OK, yeah, they have 14-9.
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I didn't believe it for one second.
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And here's a couple details about backing my point up that
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it's not, it's not like it's the Sky's falling.
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But number one, I, I watched Kansas dive for loose balls, I
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don't know, four or five times outright diving.
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Where, where, where, where is that to be found for Iowa State?
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Normally it is, but yes, you're right, they're.
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Standing #2 And I understand this is easier said than done.
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You don't want to drive to the thirds of the court.
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I understand that. And Kansas did a really good job
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when they went to that side. They went opposite ball and you
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got to hit 3. And that's what Kansas did.
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Easier said than done. They did a really good job.
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Number three, OK, Kansas is naked shot.
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All right? You don't want a face guard.
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OK, don't face card. Maybe it's the principle.
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I understand that. How about if I don't know, if
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Trent drives and Ken's in the corner and he's hot, we're not
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helping on the ball, we're not helping on that shooter.
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How about that again? Why are we helping off shooter
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on a straight line drive? Now, I'm not DJ and I'm not the
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coaching staff, but how, how how were they allowed to do that on
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and on and on? Now come out at 1/2 time.
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Yeah, they made a small comeback and maybe TJ said something in
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the second-half. I don't know.
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And I don't think they quit. That's not what I'm saying, but
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they they walked in there and they took an ass kicking and
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yeah, we're going to move on. And if you look at their
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schedule and I'm sure if you pull it up, they played nobody
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until February. So I don't know.
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I don't know what we're really going to, you know, we want to
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get a team and get them right. What do we know?
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We don't know nothing until they play Kansas again.
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They got Houston, Arizona, Texas Tech kind of all sandwiched end
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of February. So from now until, I don't know,
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middle of February, they're just beating whatever teams.
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But we'll see how we'll see what to do.
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The Sky's not falling, but there's small details.
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Last night when you watch the game, you're just like, that's
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interesting. We'll see what the adjustments
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are made and we'll go from there.
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You guys have a good day. Yeah, Jeff, thanks for the call.
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Look, we, we were saying for weeks that this, this if they
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get past this game last night, they're not going to lose or
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it's highly, it's highly unlikely they're going to lose a
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game now in, in the month of January.
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Now say this because we want we both saw Oklahoma State last
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week. I was impressed by Oklahoma
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State and you got to go there and they have to go there, have
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to go there in a couple of weeks. 24th I'm looking at right
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now, 24th and Oklahoma State gave Iowa State bit of a game
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Saturday. Cincinnati is no pushover.
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And Cincinnati, they pushed Houston.
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They had Houston on the ropes. They were up maybe double
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figures against them here. What was that a week, 2 weeks
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ago? It was 2 weeks ago because I was
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listening to that on the way over to the Iowa UCLA game.
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Cincinnati, they got Jizzle James back.
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He was kicked off the team. Now he's back with them.
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Kurt Carissa, who has well traveled throughout his
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collegiate career, probably remember him from Arizona.
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He was at Kentucky a year ago before he shut it down after 9
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games. He's in his sixth year, stupid,
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but he's battling a shoulder injury still.
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The Cincinnati team, they're going to grind you.
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It's going to be ugly. You can't afford to overlook
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that match up either. It's just a road game and you
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talk about desperate teams. We saw the one last night that
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Cincinnati team gonna be a desperate team.
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Wes Miller likely going to be fired if they don't make the
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tournament this year. And they got a lot of work to do
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there. They're winnable.
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They're manageable. You're favored in all these
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games. In fact, the next time that
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they're an underdog. Where would it be?
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On the road at BYU. Is it February all the way to
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there? All the way to that.
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One So Houston will come in to to Hilton as a dog.
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That's a big Monday game. 4 point spread is currently the
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number at camera and Kev Pomeroy for that one.
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So just shows you, yes, there's going to be losses there.
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Just can't let this snowball and.
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Well, then that's why I don't think that the Cincinnati game
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that they'll get back on the airplane with back-to-back
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losses, because I don't think it's going to snowball.
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I I have to, I have to believe that.
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Look, if if we saw the fact they're struggling at the
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beginning of games, this wasn't lost on the coaching staff,
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right? I mean, if you watch these Iowa
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State games, you know that they're for whatever reason,
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slow to get going. That has to be a point of
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emphasis now going forward. And then I'm sure that this will
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be a pretty spirit in the next couple of days of practice
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before they, you know, they head to Cincinnati on Friday for the
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Saturday game. What time is that game?
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Good question. 1:00 Not too shabby, no?
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Before the football starts. That's a Peacock affair.
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And what a clock for that one. Is that the same time as the
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Iowa Indiana game? No, it is.
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Darn. It well one's on the computer
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one well where is the in where is the Indiana?
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Iowa. That's on Fox.
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OK, good. Big Fox says that one.
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Both you and I and Drake also play then at 2:00, so a lot of
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basketball before we get in, but.
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They'll cover each other, Broncos.
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You're interested in that game, huh?
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I am, as a matter of fact, yes, And despite my views on the team
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that I root for, I think that they will beat the Buffalo
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Bills. I I love them as a teaser.
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Like at minimum get him up to 7 1/2.
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Buffalo's not going to blow him out.
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No, no, I don't see it. Who's he going to throw the
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football to his tight ends? Shakur.
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That's it, Yeah. And.
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Maybe Keon Coleman makes another play.
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We remember he's actually had the roster.
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Like, Denver's got the reigning defensive Player of the year
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right, Sir Tan, he's going to eliminate one of them does every
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game. Can they run the ball?
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You don't don't like RJ Harvey? Don't love him, like him as a
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pass catcher on the backfield. Better look if they had JK
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Dobbins. This team is an is has a
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legitimate look. I shouldn't say that because
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somebody's going to represent the AFC.
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They're going to let one of those teams they're.
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Going to let one of them in. It might be Denver.
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Yes, it might be. It's not a stretch.
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It's not a stretch. I I sent you the projected point
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spreads for the AFC Championship team.
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Did you do that? It was on our Mediacom.
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You know what? I never even saw it, so we
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didn't bring it up. Apparently he was just tape the
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show. I just thought this was crazy.
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Oh I see this. These are these are brand new to
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me so let run by me. All right, Texans at the
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Broncos. It would be Denver 2 1/2. 1 1/2
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Patriots at Broncos. It would be Denver 2 1/2. 1.
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Really. Bills at Texans.
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Oh, this is a tough one, 1 1/2. Pick em is it and Bills at the
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Patriots. One and a.
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Half it's 11. All four of the potential match
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ups are 1 1/2 to pick em. That's the lines that are
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currently out there in the look ahead lines for the AFC
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championship game. Throw them in a hat.
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Pulling out, you got as good of a chance of figuring out who's
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going to represent the AFC because yes, they are going to
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let one of those teams make their way to Santa Clara.
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And I kind of feel in some respects the same way, but the
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NFS, there's not a great team. No, absolutely not.
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I think Seattle is except Trent. Same Darnold the Rams are.
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Except you can throw the ball on them.
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All these teams have warts and as we've talked about really
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since, I don't know, Week 678, this is what this NFL season is
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turning into. It's a whole bunch of teams that
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have some pretty major deficiencies.
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So what are the what's the bears wart?
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Their defense. Defense stinks, yeah, but their.
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Defense usually holds teams with the exception of San Francisco.
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Yes, well, that that, But you know what is high scoring game.
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That was a hell of a. Game it was maybe the most it.
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Might have been. We got to the football season.
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It might have been. It's not a very good defense,
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but they're OK. Even that might be a stretch.
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They forced turnovers and if they don't first turnovers,
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they're bad. But you know what?
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They forced turnovers. They have.
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It's been their calling card this year.
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And Dennis Allen, he. Might they have the fewest
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warts? No, because that defense
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overall, like I think you're talking more position groups,
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Patriots offensive line, Texans offensive line.
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Broncos. I mean the the Niners injury
19:23
report. Oh, absolutely.
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I mean, that's a #1 for them, and their defense isn't very
19:27
good either. Sam Arnold for the Seahawks, CJ
19:30
Stroud for the Texans. There's individuals blind, but
19:33
it's the complete Bears defense that isn't good.
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19:39
The second well. He did play well.
19:41
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19:44
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20:47
of folks elevating Purdue versus Iowa.
20:49
Smith V starts. Wade looking Bill former Hawkeye
20:52
joins us to help break it down. How are you?
20:55
Wade looking. Bill, good to talk to you.
20:58
Really good. How are you guys?
20:59
Doing OK, I want to see this streak come to an end, although
21:02
the schedule makers did I with no favours is off they go to
21:06
take on Purdue tonight. A-Team that's only lost once.
21:10
Smith V Sturtz Is that the marquee matchup?
21:15
I don't think there's any question.
21:16
I think this is something, you know, even once when, when when
21:19
Bennett Sturtz decided he was going to go to Iowa, decided he
21:23
wasn't going to pursue the NBA, this was one that everybody had
21:26
circled. You know, it's something where
21:29
where Braden Smith is, he's just a typical part of typical
21:33
college point guard. And Bennett Sturtz is in that
21:36
conversation too. And it'll be a great matchup
21:39
tonight to see what happens. You know one thing that is rare
21:42
that Braden Smith struggles that we don't see him playing
21:45
obviously at incredibly high level, but linked has give him
21:49
given him some problems. We know starts at 6 foot 4.
21:51
Even Kale Combs, he's sneaky tall at six four.
21:54
He guards of the point guard. A lot of times they're going to
21:57
anticipate that We're going to see what a lot of Combs probably
21:59
on Braden Smith and trying to disrupt him.
22:02
Well, and I think if you if you looked just what I was they did
22:06
to him with is it in a Traore the the freshman, they put him
22:11
on on Gray Smith with that length and that athleticism.
22:15
And that's one of the few games where he struggled.
22:18
And I think if if I was 10, he Gray Smith almost more dangerous
22:23
to me not sport. He almost wanted to get 22
22:26
points and four assists rather than, you know, 14 points and 14
22:32
assists. You know, he really gets this
22:34
team involved. And I think if Iowa can find a
22:36
way to slow him down now, that hearing has a tough place to
22:41
play. I know Iowa State went in there
22:43
and just just put it on him, but that doesn't usually happen that
22:46
way. So it's going to be a huge
22:48
challenge tonight. Kaufman Wren seems like he's
22:50
been there for a long time. It's rare that you see a guy
22:52
stay one place for his entire career, and that's been his
22:55
case. I really like him.
22:56
When you watch Trey Kaufman Wren play, obviously 6 foot big dude,
23:00
696869 got a lot of skills. Kauffman Wren, he's going to
23:06
make an impact. He normally does every time I
23:08
watch Purdue play. What do they have to do with him
23:10
here tonight? You know, I, I think I was
23:14
battled every game. Now going forward, he started
23:16
with Illinois. It's just Illinois has so much
23:19
size and that's what Iowa doesn't have.
23:22
You know, in Purdue, they bring that Daniel Jacobson off the
23:25
bench at 74. Trey Kaufman ran, you mentioned,
23:29
you know, I think if they can keep those guys off the
23:31
offensive glass or just cut in the gate or just break even, I
23:35
think they got kind of a, a puncher's chance tonight.
23:39
The three-point shooting historically has been incredibly
23:42
good for Purdue. They got guys that can
23:44
definitely fill it out from back behind the arc.
23:47
What a good three-point shooting team.
23:48
Yeah, you got to worry about Kaufman ran inside and Clough
23:51
and what he can do, obviously. But how do you chase good 3
23:54
point shooters and good 3 point shooting teams like Purdue?
23:57
How do you get him off that 3 point line?
23:59
You know, we haven't even talked about it, but you mentioned
24:01
Brady Smith, TKR, the third person in that senior line up.
24:05
There's such a lawyer. He loves his game.
24:08
You know, he's just and he's big.
24:09
I saw him last year. He's 6-4, maybe 6-5.
24:13
Watch him move without the ball. You know, I, I think it's
24:16
something Trent, where you just have to be physical with them.
24:20
If they if they make one, maybe be, you know, something where
24:24
you force them to drive. I think the problem with Purdue
24:27
is that, you know, they've got a lot of guys that can really
24:30
stretch it. And then if you have to come out
24:32
and guard them, you've got 7 one inside, you've got Treyclothman
24:37
610. They dump it in.
24:38
So it's kind of pick your poison.
24:40
Is it Fulgaris that's going to have to have a game tonight
24:43
because of that length on Purdue?
24:45
You know, and I don't Fulgaris and I am really a little
24:51
perplexed at how they play. Cam Manuel.
24:53
You know, he plays, he starts, he plays 9 minutes.
24:57
I, I, I like his game. I just am a little I don't
25:01
understand because that's where what I see is where they are
25:04
struggling, you know, with with, you know, Sturtz is getting so
25:07
much attention and they just try to survive on the boards.
25:11
I like Cam Manuel's size and length, but I think it's got to
25:15
be, you know, Fulgaris, Cam Manuel, Tavian Banks has got to
25:19
have another one of his good games where he's physical and
25:21
active. You know, it's it's going to be
25:24
a tough one. I think it's Indiana on Saturday
25:27
that they're thinking, hey, let's get a split with this
25:29
Indiana road trip. Come back.
25:30
We got Rutgers, Oregon, who lets, you know, hopefully get
25:34
those two and let's get back kind of in the conversation
25:36
again. So Speaking of that, those Rd.
25:39
trips and back in the day, as we go back in the day, there was
25:42
the kind of protected ones. I think that it kind of evolved
25:45
as you started to play Wade going away from the old
25:48
traditional Thursday night. And then Saturday you go up to
25:51
Michigan, you play both Michigan and Michigan State, go to
25:53
Indiana, do the same. Do you like with the turn around
25:56
play here on Wednesday, coming back home then back on the road
25:59
again for Saturday? Or would it make more sense, and
26:02
certainly with Iowa being out of school, just to hang out there,
26:05
to stay in Indiana for the for a couple of days and just make it
26:08
a, a big road trip, if you will? Yeah, you know I thought they
26:12
might stay like you said with with break, but it's such an
26:15
easy flight nowadays trip. They'll they'll leave they left
26:18
yesterday at 3:30 at a quick practice shoot around tonight
26:23
kind of an early game. They'll be back at the Cedar
26:25
Rapids airport with a time change.
26:27
You gain an hour coming back at the airport by by 10/30 11:00.
26:32
They'll be back to their apartments by by midnight
26:34
tonight. So now it the whole conversation
26:38
about like those West Coast Rd. trips, you know, was it Oregon
26:42
came in and stayed 9 days or somebody.
26:44
It's just it's craziness. But again, that's a whole other
26:47
conversation and get used to it because that that's not going
26:49
away. When you watch this Iowa team,
26:52
is there times you think Bennett Sturtz is trying to do too much?
26:56
Yeah, You know, we were at the UCLA game and I think we talked
26:59
about this. I don't know if he's there or
27:00
not, but he was the best player on that court.
27:03
Donovan Dent, who's a, you know, a huge point guard transfer, you
27:08
know, he was the best player at Minnesota, didn't score in the
27:11
first half. I get 20 in the second-half.
27:14
I don't know. I've, I've never really seen him
27:16
in foul trouble. Now, I didn't follow him super
27:18
close to Drake, but I would watch enough where I never saw
27:21
him in foul trouble. Yeah, maybe a little bit.
27:24
You know, it's just it's a different level from where that
27:27
D2 level to Drake to the Big 10. And he's now playing guys that
27:33
are at least at least as big as as athletic as him, if not more
27:37
so. And that that's hard to
27:39
overcome. It's a challenge.
27:42
We've seen Tate Sage come off the bench and give them a spark.
27:45
We know what he can do. Isaiah Howard, another guy off
27:48
the bench that provides a different kind of skill set.
27:51
Good defenders, still work to do offensively in terms of ball
27:54
handling and shooting from the outside.
27:56
Yet we still kind of were waiting for Brendan Hassan,
28:00
played a little bit against Minnesota, certainly didn't look
28:02
out. I know it's a conversation.
28:03
Seemingly we have all the time with you.
28:05
Wade is is there a? Is there a role?
28:10
I think if you haven't seen it by now, the answer is no.
28:13
And I don't know why that is why they brought him in.
28:17
You know, it's just your benches get shorter now as the season
28:22
goes, goes on. They don't get longer.
28:24
You see seven years minutes have, you know, dropped to
28:27
almost none. You know, they're, they're
28:29
playing seven guys, maybe 8, but there's something there and, and
28:33
I don't know what it is. I, I like him.
28:35
I think he's, you know, a fire plug.
28:36
I, I guess, and it's maybe on the defensive side, but again, I
28:40
don't know. But if I, I, if he's not playing
28:42
minutes now, you know, quality minutes.
28:44
I don't know if it's going to happen this year.
28:46
When you look at this Iowa team, where they're at right now, this
28:49
last thing for me. You mentioned the Indiana game
28:51
of the two certainly seems more winnable at this point.
28:55
Are you where is Iowa where you thought that they would be as we
28:59
hit the mid mark of the month of January is this week.
29:02
I thought this team was be kind of.
29:03
Absolutely, absolutely. I think, you know, they weren't
29:07
going to win at Michigan State. Probably they weren't going to
29:09
win at Iowa State. We were thinking, hey, you know,
29:11
Minnesota at Minnesota. But you know, obviously that
29:15
they've got some players, they got some talent.
29:17
That was one that they may come back to regret.
29:19
Got UCLA at home. Illinois is good.
29:22
They got 6, maybe 7 kids that are going to get drafted That
29:25
that that bad start against Illinois.
29:28
The bad start against Minnesota is kind of, you know, something
29:31
to worry about. But I think they are right where
29:33
they are tonight. It's kind of house money
29:36
Saturday. Let's see what happens.
29:38
Let's see if we can get that one.
29:39
And then you got to come back and get Rutgers in Oregon.
29:42
Wade, talk to you next week. Thanks for jumping on giving us
29:45
a few minutes. Appreciate it.
29:47
Anytime guys, appreciate it. Thank you.
29:48
Good to talk to you, Wade looking Bill.
29:50
So we check in on Iowa. So one thing that we've talked
29:53
about a ton is where they are in the net and they're still in
29:55
really good shape. When you look at where they are,
29:58
what kind of the resume looks like when it comes to the net.
30:02
Remember that is just one of the rankings though that they use
30:05
that is the sorting tool that is the a number one.
30:08
But they do look at other markets, other measures of
30:11
basketball quality. So all the predicted markets
30:14
really like this Iowa team, Ken Pomeroy, you hear me talk a ton,
30:18
Bart Torvik, BPI, that's another one that's used there. 22nd at
30:22
Ken Pong, 21st in T ranked 28th in BPI.
30:26
However, you take a look at the result based metrics, that is
30:30
KPI. That's a term that you hear used
30:32
on ESPN broadcast. Strength of record wins above
30:36
bubble, not very good. Wins above bubble is actually
30:40
sometimes a better thing to look at.
30:42
And that's something that they're the committee uses.
30:45
They're 45th in the country in that metric.
30:47
They're 53rd in KPI. Going back to what we've talked
30:51
about before, there's not a whole lot of depth in this
30:53
resume. There's no quality wins, the
30:56
blowing out good opponents, bad opponents.
30:58
That's fine for your net Nets going to help with your
31:00
efficiency, but you have to stack up victories.
31:04
Well, that in the end game if they read be a good one.
31:07
What did, what did Ken Palm or what did those those spots, you
31:11
metric spots you look at, what did the the Iowa State loss do
31:15
to their resume last night when it comes to those sites?
31:18
They dropped a fourth. Iowa State did.
31:20
And where were they 2? I think so if remember he
31:22
serves. Yesterday.
31:23
So they didn't punish him a ton? No, they should.
31:26
Just one, one data point of many, one loss is not going to
31:29
and these kind of metrics certainly fire down by any
31:31
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Drake in Southern Illinois tonight.
32:33
Boy, they the Bulldogs really need this one.
32:35
Both teams 2 and 4. Drake has lost three out of the
32:39
last four. What do they need to do to put
32:41
this one in the win column tonight?
32:43
Good to talk to you. Ken Trent good to great talking
32:46
to you guys as well. You know, I do think as you
32:49
mentioned, it's been a it's been a bit of a tough stretch and
32:52
some of that you maybe would have expected getting into
32:55
league play and thinking about, you know, the losses to Illinois
32:58
State at Bradley and Belmont. Those are all pretty stinking
33:02
good teams. They're pretty stinking good in
33:03
the non conference. They're coming into their own in
33:05
conference play as well. But I think for Drake is a good
33:08
Rd. test. That's not you if you want to
33:10
be, if you fancy yourself in the top half of the league, then
33:14
this is a game yet at least got to come down to the end and
33:17
compete. You know, I think the challenge
33:20
is for a lot of Drake fans, they watch the game at Bradley where
33:23
frankly the team just didn't play well, kind of didn't show
33:25
up mentally the way you would expect in a league contest.
33:28
Came back and played a lot better against Belmont.
33:31
I think a lot of fans, I think a lot of fans would have taken a 2
33:34
point loss at home on a last second shot to Belmont.
33:38
The hard thing is the way it played out just kind of rips at
33:42
your heartstrings a little bit more.
33:44
Yeah. Couldn't you stop?
33:45
5836 lead with under 15 to play if you like, you're going to put
33:50
it into cruise control. Belmont had different ideas as
33:53
they come back. Off the heels of them beating
33:55
you and I. Was absolutely quite the road
33:57
trip out of the Bruins making their way here to the state of
33:59
Iowa. So what do you look back at that
34:01
Belmont game and what what went right to get that kind of lead
34:04
against a very good team and then what went wrong in her?
34:07
Either of those things, either something you can sustain and
34:10
what's fixable. Sure.
34:12
Yeah. I mean, two things that went
34:14
right, 2 main things, right? I think number one, I thought
34:17
Drake's defense came out with great energy against Belmont.
34:20
Belmont is one of the most efficient offenses in the
34:22
country. There are great 3 point shooting
34:24
team. They really spread you out.
34:25
Tyler Lundblade in particular is the best 3 point shooter in the
34:29
country. He's made more than anybody
34:30
else. And then in Division One
34:31
basketball, right? And so I thought the energy, the
34:34
effort and being able to force 10 turnovers in the force that
34:37
first half was a really good thing for Drake.
34:39
You knew Belmont was going to be able to respond and knock down
34:41
shots and they did in the second-half.
34:43
But I thought the defensive energy in the first half in
34:45
particular was really good. And then I think there were
34:48
three pretty good individual performances when Larson first
34:52
first time in double figures this year in a Drake uniform.
34:55
Shetler looked really comfortable with catch and
34:57
shoots. And we've seen him hesitant a
34:59
little bit this year, but he's starting to find his role,
35:01
especially in the starting lineup.
35:03
And Isaiah Carr, great minutes off the bench.
35:06
He's been a little bit up and down.
35:07
Those were great minutes for him.
35:08
So I think if you're saying what's looking up, both of those
35:11
things you feel pretty good about overall.
35:13
I think the challenges in particular, when I look at
35:15
halftime and I look at the 19 point lead at half, I looked at
35:19
the stat sheet. Drake had two points in the
35:21
paint. You have a 19 point lead and
35:24
only two points in the paint. That is credit to Belmont's
35:26
defense. Yes, Drake was making three, but
35:29
that's part of what made the lead feel not sustainable.
35:32
Drake had a hard time in the second-half getting shots around
35:35
the rim as well. That's something this offense
35:37
has to figure out to be able to open up some of the consistency
35:40
for three-point shooters. And as you mentioned, it means
35:42
they only got to the free throw line.
35:44
They had 14 in attempts in that game.
35:46
They were lying on the outside shooting.
35:48
I won't go back to Shuttler because I'm not saying that that
35:51
that game came out of nowhere. By far and away his most
35:54
productive scoring game. Can he repeat, repeat that?
35:58
Is this a confidence thing that apparently seemingly grew in
36:02
advance of that Belmont game? You know, I think some of it
36:05
comes back to opportunity, right?
36:07
I think Eli Shettler has been, he's been who he's been all year
36:11
in that he's about 6 foot six. You haven't played in the fourth
36:14
position, which is kind of playing out of position for him.
36:17
He's more of a 2-3 wing type guy because of his versatility.
36:21
You can put the ball on the floor, but he's been playing up
36:24
and I think doing a pretty good job of that.
36:26
That helps with the mismatches on the offensive end.
36:29
His ability to catch and shoot has been there the whole time.
36:32
He hasn't necessarily been as comfortable every game figuring
36:35
out when are the right opportunities to assert myself
36:38
and when am I kind of catching a little bit more flat footed.
36:41
I thought he looked like he had great focus and great pace and
36:45
obviously started the game with with a green light.
36:48
But you know the one thing about Eli Shettler, he has all the
36:51
he's got all the physical tools. He has the upside to be a guy
36:54
that can really score it. He's still trying to figure out
36:56
his role on this group, as a lot of guys are.
36:59
But you look at even the minutes distribution, you know who
37:02
played the most minutes for Drake in that game against
37:04
Belmont? So if you think about from a
37:08
trust standpoint with your coach, with Coach Henderson, he
37:11
always plays hard. Obviously in this game, you kind
37:14
of put it all together from a shooting standpoint.
37:16
But there's a lot, there's a lot of the physical tools there with
37:20
Eli Schettler still a young player, but this is starting to,
37:23
we're starting to see a little bit more of his potential come
37:25
out. Tonight it's a match up against
37:28
SIU. Used to be a traditional power
37:30
program, has not been the case here for quite a while.
37:33
Scott Nagy, year number two, former South Dakota State coach,
37:36
he was a guy that helped them transition from the D2 level up
37:39
to D1, led to the them to three NCAA tournaments, had success at
37:43
Wright State. It's just the second year Scott
37:45
Nagy feel like the right guy though for Southern Illinois to
37:48
get them turned around. And how do they look this
37:50
season? You know, SIU, not dissimilar to
37:53
Drake, has been a little bit up and down in the sense of, I
37:57
think the roster. When you look across SIU, this
38:00
is the most talented roster we've seen at SIU in the last
38:03
couple of years, but they haven't really figured out
38:06
exactly how they want to play. So this is a group that can get
38:10
after you defensively. I thought when SIU played
38:12
Belmont earlier in the year, they had a great game plan.
38:15
They forced Belmont into a ton of turnovers and just found a
38:18
way to win at the end. You have a guard in Kelron House
38:22
who's one of the guys that's going to be in contention for
38:24
all league type honors. But you also look at this team
38:28
that's been susceptible to, you know, kind of some stinkers from
38:32
a losses standpoint. And similar to Drake lost
38:34
against North Dakota State, right, a common opponent.
38:37
They lost on the road to UIC. They lost at home to Illinois
38:41
State. So when you look at this SIU
38:43
team, it's actually it's a pretty good comparison in many
38:46
ways, not only the record in the standings, but kind of how the
38:49
arc of the season has went that it hasn't been a linear line.
38:53
It's been a little bit tumultuous for Coach Naggy as
38:56
he's figuring out how to fit his guys together.
38:59
But this is a group. They're strong and physical on
39:01
the interior, have two brothers, the Olig Bay brothers that are
39:04
really physical on the inside. I mentioned Keller on house,
39:07
there's going to be a tough match up for Drake and they're
39:09
going to challenge Drake in different ways and a good
39:12
opportunity to see the the Bulldogs respond.
39:15
It's been a minute on you and I since the last time we spoke.
39:17
They haven't won. Drake did a nice job on Smiley,
39:20
who really went off on you and I.
39:23
You and I kind of fallen on some hard times.
39:25
Three straight losses. What do they have to do to get
39:27
back in the win column, Adam? Yeah, I mean, you look at the
39:31
last couple of games and it's just been it's been a
39:34
combination of different things like playing against UICUIC is
39:37
now 1, three in a row. They're getting healthy.
39:39
They got Elijah Crawford back who really helps change their
39:42
offense. He had 14 points, 9 assists
39:44
against you and I. And for the Panthers, their
39:47
defense continues to be good, right?
39:49
They're one of the top defensive scoring teams in the country.
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But when you go 3 for 24 from the three-point line, it's hard
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to keep up, right? And so some of that is we've
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seen a. A couple shooting slumps from a
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few players on the on the you and I roster, but some of this
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is also scheduling is tough. You lose the game against
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Belmont. Belmont was just better
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offensively in that that game. You go to Bradley, Bradley
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starting to play some of their best basketball.
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That's a six point loss and then the whole game against UIC.
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So tough schedule, tough slate for you and I having to go to
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Valpo. That's a Valpo team that's
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playing pretty well. And then at Illinois State,
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this, this is next upcoming week for you and I is really tough.
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But they need a few more chip ends and more consistent chip
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ends on the offensive end from not Trey Campbell.
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Other guys are more consistently going to get into that 8 to 12
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to 14 point range. Adam Emmenecker joins us every
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week to talk Missouri Valley Conference.
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Likewise with the boys in the afternoon.
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Adam, thanks for doing this talk to you next week.
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Appreciate it. Sounds good.
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Thanks guys. Good to talk to you.
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the Plaza Shops at Prairie Trail in Ankeny.
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Injuries also pretty big part of you and I played without their
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best 2 interior. Your players last night, Tristan
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Smith who's played really well, D2 transfer from Concordia, he's
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going to be out still a couple more weeks with a hip injury.
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Also played last night without another one of their big guys.
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Definitely impactful in that one is it's a bad loss to you I see
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at home. I agree.
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Hour 2 off to Chicago. We will go.
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Cappy joins us next. Miller and Condon an hour to go
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on our Wednesday show, It's the Eye with Sports Radio Network.