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Stronger Together with Dale Moss and Kat Izzo · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Before I get into the paradise chat, I just want
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  Speaker 1: Porto Fino Hotel and Marina. Now let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: our interview.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 2: with on our radio.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody's been here with the Almost Famous podcast. Today
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  Speaker 1: we have Dale and Kat with us, coming fresh off
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  Speaker 1: of the reunion episode that was just filmed right here
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  Speaker 1: on the stage. That we're sitting at nice stage. It
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  Speaker 1: is a nice stage. I want to start. What were
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  Speaker 1: your emotions like going into today, Well, be honest, this
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  Speaker 1: is a place to.
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  Speaker 3: Be honest, ladies. Ladies first, well.
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  Speaker 4: A conference post game talk. Well, going into today, obviously
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  Speaker 4: there was a lot of things we needed to discuss
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  Speaker 4: from the whole season in general, I'd say nervous, but
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  Speaker 4: also really excited to be able to like share our
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  Speaker 4: story and share our time together and kind of like
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  Speaker 4: catch up with everybody else.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, putting ourselves back.
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  Speaker 4: In these spaces can be a little nerve wracking, and
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  Speaker 4: coming off of last night's episode was also a lot too, so,
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  Speaker 4: but I was mostly excited just to kind of like
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  Speaker 4: see everyone and share our relationship.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think you you never know what someone's
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  Speaker 6: holding on to or anything like that. But a kind
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  Speaker 6: of the whole season, right, we were we were excited
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  Speaker 6: about how things finished with us. Also the fact that
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  Speaker 6: we've been just building this relationship and kind of the
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  Speaker 6: same way during the season, We're like, you know, whatever happens,
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  Speaker 6: we'll speak our truth, but we're not going to compromise
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  Speaker 6: our integrity. We're not trying to get into too much chaos,
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  Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, like, we have
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  Speaker 6: great relationships with everyone on the show, so yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: think it's like there's unknown variables going into this that
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  Speaker 6: you don't know may come up, but overall, we were
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  Speaker 6: just kind of happy to see everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel pretty confident with him.
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  Speaker 4: Like by my side, I will say, like I can
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  Speaker 4: go into uncomfortable environments with.
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  Speaker 5: Dale and like feel safe. So I think coming into
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  Speaker 5: don't burn the stage down.
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  Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I knew that no matter what, if
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  Speaker 4: I needed to be like kind of brought back down
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  Speaker 4: on earth, that he would be there.
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  Speaker 1: So so you whispering in her ear during kind of
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  Speaker 1: the most contentious moments of the reunion. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: audio will pick it up, but I did watch what
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  Speaker 1: were you just telling her?
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  Speaker 6: I was honestly just saying, hey, like chill, give everyone
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  Speaker 6: their time to speak, because I think everyone deserves that.
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  Speaker 3: But it's easy to take a lot of things personal.
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  Speaker 6: Right because you go through this experience with people and
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  Speaker 6: sometimes it's projection. But at the end of the day
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  Speaker 6: as well, I think it's important to understand your emotions
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  Speaker 6: and where they're coming from. But you know it also
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  Speaker 6: like still keep your composure and focus more on our experience.
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  Speaker 6: Speak your truth, but not be as reactive and understanding.
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  Speaker 6: It was the biggest thing, because emotions can get heightened.
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  Speaker 6: I've been there, but I also think like we're so
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  Speaker 6: far removed from a lot of the chaos, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of just how we've been rolling since the
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  Speaker 3: show's been done.
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  Speaker 4: You like said, like I do, I feel a lot
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  Speaker 4: of other people's emotions, so like I want to, like,
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  Speaker 4: I have a lot to say a lot of times,
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  Speaker 4: but he's helped me realize, like sometimes it's you don't
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  Speaker 4: have to say all the things and it's your pick
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  Speaker 4: your battles in a way, so he kind of helped
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  Speaker 4: me calm back down.
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  Speaker 1: Dale mentioned here a second ago that you were excited
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  Speaker 1: about how your experience ended. I think that is a
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  Speaker 1: shocking statement because from a viewer standpoint, it felt like
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  Speaker 1: your relationship was going so well and then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden things ended at the worst possible moment in
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  Speaker 1: your relationship. Can you bring some clarity to why you
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  Speaker 1: said that you were excited about how you guys left,
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  Speaker 1: and then also what you two were experiencing, as obviously
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  Speaker 1: you were kind of in this very tumultuous situation.
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  Speaker 6: For me, it was just that we were together, that
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  Speaker 6: we stick up for each other, and obviously there was
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  Speaker 6: a competition.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was pretty upset.
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  Speaker 6: About us losing the physical challenge because that was the
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  Speaker 6: first time in my life I've ever honestly felt vulnerable physically.
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  Speaker 6: But we moved past that so quickly. But we talk
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  Speaker 6: about the Way to the World challenge, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: in theory, we won that challenge. It was a very
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  Speaker 6: intense moment with the entire cast coming back, and I
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  Speaker 6: think a lot of people in certain situations maybe would
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  Speaker 6: have handled it differently. But Kat and I had gone
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  Speaker 6: through real challenges that relationships go through in a very
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  Speaker 6: short time. But I told her early on in the season,
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  Speaker 6: like I'm not jumping ship, Like I'm down to ride,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, if I'm down to ride for someone,
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  Speaker 6: and we get to that point, like I don't care
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  Speaker 6: about what comes our way because we can work through it.
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  Speaker 6: And I think we had beautiful moments throughout our relationship,
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  Speaker 6: but in one of the most difficult ones when it
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  Speaker 6: could have gone either way, that's where we grew the most,
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  Speaker 6: and that's what set the foundation for the conversations that
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  Speaker 6: we had after we were off Paradise to ask the
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  Speaker 6: hard questions in a way that we knew. We were
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  Speaker 6: asking the questions not to get out of a situation
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  Speaker 6: or a relationship, to build it stronger than ever. And
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  Speaker 6: I think that was just an important thing for both
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  Speaker 6: of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kat, when the parliament came back and they walked
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  Speaker 1: down through the resort to where you guys were standing,
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  Speaker 1: did you have a feeling at that point that this
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  Speaker 1: was going to turn ugly or were you kind of
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  Speaker 1: thrown off guard once Sean and Alicia started talking.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, seeing everybody come back, I was actually really excited,
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  Speaker 4: but I remembered mostly like how we had voted, how
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  Speaker 4: the season had went, and like going against Justine Spencer
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  Speaker 4: like we're cooked, which is fine. I was so comfortable
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  Speaker 4: with where we were at in a relationship at that point.
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  Speaker 4: I had absolutely no idea that it was going to
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  Speaker 4: be what it was. I sent some type of energy,
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  Speaker 4: which I think I had said to him at some point,
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  Speaker 4: like I think Alicia is like not being nice to be.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on, but some thing's like
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  Speaker 5: going on.
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  Speaker 4: And then very shortly after that is when the clink
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  Speaker 4: clink happened in front of everyone, but I was very
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  Speaker 4: taken surprise surprise with how it went down.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, we see during the show that the two
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  Speaker 1: of you kind of walk off and you're telling Dale
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  Speaker 1: at that moment, I don't want to talk about it here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this here. I think
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  Speaker 1: from a fan standpoint, we're watching it being like, well,
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  Speaker 1: guilty as charged, she doesn't want to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: on camera. If you weren't guilty, she'd be talking about
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  Speaker 1: it right here. What was your intention with telling Dale
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  Speaker 1: at that time? Hey, I don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it right now.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a totally fair judgment. But unfortunately, like,
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  Speaker 4: unless you're in this space, you'll it's hard to understand.
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  Speaker 4: I've had many rounds within this franchise, or at least
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  Speaker 4: in a setting where you can be really vulnerable, and
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  Speaker 4: in that moment, I just felt like nobody deserved any
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  Speaker 4: kind of explanation or any more words that could potentially
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  Speaker 4: be twisted, because that's what I just witnessed, And the
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  Speaker 4: only person who I would be willing to have a
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  Speaker 4: conversation with in private would be Dale, because he's the
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  Speaker 4: only one that deserves that, and I just didn't feel
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  Speaker 4: like I owed anything to anyone.
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  Speaker 5: Plus I was really really emotionally.
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  Speaker 4: Charged, so the last thing I wanted was to say
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  Speaker 4: something that could be misunderstood, or if I would say
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  Speaker 4: something that wasn't articulated appropriately, like this is something I
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  Speaker 4: really cared about, and I just wanted it to have
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  Speaker 4: the attention that it deserved, and it was not going
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  Speaker 4: to be in that space or at that time.
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  Speaker 1: All these love triangles getting you twisted us too.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong, I don't think you will.
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  Speaker 1: But it seemed like, really the last two episodes of
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  Speaker 1: your experience on the show, we really got to see
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  Speaker 1: a dynamic in your relationship where Dale was speaking kind
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  Speaker 1: of like he did during the reunion. He was whispering
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  Speaker 1: in your ear, telling you, hey, take a breath count
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  Speaker 1: to ten, Calm down. That's how he supports you to
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  Speaker 1: get a glimpse into your where your relationship stands today.
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  Speaker 1: How do you best support him?
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  Speaker 4: I think that we know each other's triggers in our
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  Speaker 4: moments of grounding that is needed.
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  Speaker 5: Like I would say, I hoped.
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  Speaker 4: Bring him down after a lot of competitions of us
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  Speaker 4: being lost when he was a little hot and heavy,
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  Speaker 4: and I reminded him like what really matters, and when
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  Speaker 4: he has a really good way of seeing things more
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  Speaker 4: objective and like less emotionally like charged, whereas I don't.
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  Speaker 4: So it's helpful when we're in like heighten emotional situations
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  Speaker 4: where he can like remind me and I'm like really
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  Speaker 4: good at receiving that. And I respect his opinion and
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  Speaker 4: I respect how he sees the world, so I also
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  Speaker 4: have how to allow that, which takes time to like
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  Speaker 4: I love to say no before I say yes, But
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  Speaker 4: as time has gone on, as times going on, I've
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  Speaker 4: learned to trust it more and like know that his
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  Speaker 4: intentions are never to like it's to help me, right,
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  Speaker 4: And I think that depending on each other's triggers, like
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  Speaker 4: he can probably test to it more.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really know.
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  Speaker 4: But I know that I've seen you get a little
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  Speaker 4: worked up, and I think that I try my best
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  Speaker 4: to just remind you he doesn't. I've had partners that
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  Speaker 4: like if I were to ever like snap for like
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  Speaker 4: trying to bring them back to Earth, they get like
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  Speaker 4: more upset. It actually works with him, like he'll like
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't take offense to it, and he's I think
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  Speaker 4: he also values my opinion too it.
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  Speaker 5: But I've only really had to do that.
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  Speaker 4: I think when it comes to at least in Paradise
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  Speaker 4: was like after the competitions when you didn't really like
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  Speaker 4: losing that much.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, But I also think it's reminding me because I
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  Speaker 6: moved through things very quickly. One of my greatest gifts
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  Speaker 6: is I don't feel like a lot of things affect me,
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  Speaker 6: and I can move through things and be very very
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  Speaker 6: even keeled. But you know, some tough moments, I can
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  Speaker 6: bury those. But also you bury great moments when you're
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  Speaker 6: that's one of your.
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  Speaker 3: Mechanisms, if you will.
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  Speaker 6: But KAT definitely without even saying it or you know,
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  Speaker 6: intentionally doing it reminds me a lot about like the
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  Speaker 6: joy and the excitement of like little and small things
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  Speaker 6: or there's something good that happens and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: it's just part for the course and I'm moving to
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  Speaker 6: the next thing. She's like, no, you need to sell
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  Speaker 6: lebrate those things. And I think one of the things
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  Speaker 6: that we both talk about all the time, and she
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  Speaker 6: would say because we couldn't be public, is like, I
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  Speaker 6: can't wait to experience life with you. I can't wait
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  Speaker 6: till we experience these things together. And that's why I
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  Speaker 6: came on Paradise. So and that's been a tough thing
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  Speaker 6: for us.
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  Speaker 7: Because what do you mean, that's why you came on
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  Speaker 7: Paradise And a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot of relationships previously our lives were so segmented, you know,
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  Speaker 6: some because of distance and just timing and the pandemic
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  Speaker 6: and all these things. But I always felt like I
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  Speaker 6: poured out so much into relationships and I didn't always
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  Speaker 6: get the reciprocity. And it wasn't about like tit for tat.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like I didn't get experience as much
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  Speaker 3: as I would like to with my partner.
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  Speaker 6: And I think really just the excitement and the opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to experience new things together. We've already got plans for
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  Speaker 6: for so many things. There's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 6: have happened that we couldn't experience together.
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  Speaker 3: But there was still the excitement of like when we.
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  Speaker 6: Can or like I can't wait to show you this thing,
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  Speaker 6: and I haven't been able to do that for the
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  Speaker 6: last five six years, you know, and that's what matters
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  Speaker 6: to me, Like my relationship, my family, career is like
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  Speaker 6: something that's important, but that's for stability and security.
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  Speaker 4: I think I remember him to I think you remind
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  Speaker 4: him to laugh a little bit more and be a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more goofy.
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  Speaker 7: You had a little spice too.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like, like I do you know, Dale, seems
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  Speaker 1: very much like let's just keep going and you like
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  Speaker 1: shake it up a little bit, which is a very
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  Speaker 1: good thing to have.
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  Speaker 3: When Dala comes.
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  Speaker 8: Out there, I do say I wish I could be
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  Speaker 8: more unbothered, but it's just not in this lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: You are as I know.
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  Speaker 7: It's going to make life fun, I know. Unfortunately, though
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  Speaker 7: your experience and I got a lot of clarity.
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  Speaker 1: I think during the reunion episode into this whole texting
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  Speaker 1: thing that happened, Dale, you seem thrown off honestly watching
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  Speaker 1: the show because you were like, no, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: what happened before this, and they said, no, it happened now.
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  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you took usip of your
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  Speaker 1: drink and you're like, oh well, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's figure that one out. But you said something dale
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  Speaker 1: during the reunion that people can listen to, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to bring it up here. You said, Hey, that
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  Speaker 1: happened at the beginning. This is where we're at now,
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  Speaker 1: we're moving into life together.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: For listeners of this show that maybe won't tune into
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  Speaker 1: the reunion, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Encourage you to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's only going to be on the Bachelor Happy Hour podcast,
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  Speaker 1: give us insight into why that moment didn't break you.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you go through an experience and a journey
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  Speaker 6: with someone for a month. We all have these ideas
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  Speaker 6: of what we want, how things are going to go
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  Speaker 6: coming in and the moment I met Kat, I was
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  Speaker 6: unsure about Kat and I, but we grew that, we
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  Speaker 6: grew that, we grew that we had our guards up.
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  Speaker 6: But anything that was happening or lingering before the show
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  Speaker 6: or whatever, it was kind of irrelevant to me because
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  Speaker 6: I was so clear at a certain point when we
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  Speaker 6: crossed that path and where we were at and we
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  Speaker 6: really both said, like, hey, we're going to do this thing.
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  Speaker 6: There was no question and I've told Kat this many
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  Speaker 6: times and I said it on the show. If it
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  Speaker 6: wasn't Kat, there was no one else for me on
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  Speaker 6: that beach, And it was less about the people coming in.
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  Speaker 6: It was more about us getting tighter together and me
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  Speaker 6: letting my guard down and her also letting her guard down,
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  Speaker 6: and building that trust and that understanding that like push
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  Speaker 6: come to show we're going to be there and at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day too, Like there's so many
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  Speaker 6: more difficult things in life. So if that was something
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  Speaker 6: that we had to get over and get past, that
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  Speaker 6: happened before I even knew Kat at all, Like, it's
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  Speaker 6: not that deep, Like I could totally do that, and
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  Speaker 6: we had the time to do that after the fact,
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  Speaker 6: we did those things, we asked those questions, So I
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  Speaker 6: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think it also shows I think it's a testimony
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  Speaker 4: to his securement with himself too, And I think the
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  Speaker 4: goal at the time was maybe to break him. And
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  Speaker 4: I definitely know partners that I've been met that that
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  Speaker 4: would hold a lot more precedent than the person that's
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  Speaker 4: standing in front of him, which is me.
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  Speaker 5: And what we've built.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it takes a certain person to feel
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  Speaker 4: confident who they are and what the relationship has built
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  Speaker 4: to keep that between us and work through what we
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  Speaker 4: need to and see if it can be something we can.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because people were like, Oh, we just want to
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  Speaker 6: look out for you, we care for you.
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  Speaker 3: Needed to know this.
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  Speaker 6: And I even said on the show, I was like,
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  Speaker 6: you're not saving me from like I made this decision.
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  Speaker 6: This is what I'm standing with, So you're not saving
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  Speaker 6: me from anything.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just be clear though, on the timeline, tell me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You had emailed somebody that you were
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  Speaker 1: seeing before very early on in the show.
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  Speaker 7: Once Dale showed up, that stop.
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  Speaker 4: No, I wasn't ever ever texting or communicating from the
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  Speaker 4: outside world when the show had started.
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  Speaker 1: So the show started, no more communication, Dale comes in,
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  Speaker 1: There was no more conation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have access to our stuff like they
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  Speaker 4: security comes and digs it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Just I think that was a point that people were
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: confused by, like was this happening throughout the season? Was
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: this going on when airing when you were still dating?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: But once the show started, you were done. No more texts.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Nothing, I mean that's and so the way that I
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: also heard things just get so twisted and construed made
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: me very uncomfortable to ever say anything because I'm like, well,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: if this is how things are being taken, I'm not
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: going to say anything because the last thing I'm going
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: to have is my words be twisted or anything be
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: taken out of context.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah so yousha, I mean, you just didn't want to
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: talk anymore.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: You. I was, well it, I had a panic attack,
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: like it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I never want to like, like, my experience from two
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: years ago with Paradise was still my experience.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: It was who I was at the time, but it
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: was really really difficult.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: And a lot of that experience came with every single
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: day putting out fires or trying to at least, And
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: in that moment, I felt all those feelings I had
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: felt and that was something I had already like moved through,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: and I just felt really like I was back in
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: that environment where I can't trust myself, I can't trust
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: people around me, and I'm like scared of to lose
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: someone to care about.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: So it went on a lot longer than that was shown.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: It went on for a very long time and then
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to the point where like I couldn't say words and
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I had like a full panic attack.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: So that's why I had to walk off.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: And I can relate to that too, because like I
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: had a moment also where I had to step away
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: and it had nothing to do with the situation like
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: with Cat.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Personally, but I was like, what is going on?
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: I am in like this chaos, Like I didn't do
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: anything wrong, Like I don't want I don't want this
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: to be our story because this is not right. It
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: was about like this is not right, and you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: the producer saw me like like I was in tears,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: but it wasn't about hurt. I was so disappointed and
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: frustrated in the situation and how that even happened, because
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: like what Cat and I had built was so beautiful
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: and like if there was a stain on it in
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: this way, I was like, that's just not right, Like
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: this is not it just it was like a righteous.
• 19:49
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• 19:56
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• 19:57
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• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Is there a moment though where that hit for you?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Because watching the season back, it felt like, all of
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you guys were a serious couple. Like, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: there was the start that I have obviously had its
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: stuff going on, and then we had like a couple
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: episodes where it just kind of felt like we didn't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: see you all on the show much, and then all
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like a serious couple. Is there
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a moment that you remember, like where you felt like
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you crossed that bridge and all of a sudden said, no,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: this is somebody I'm gonna fight for. This is somebody
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to get angry for, and this is
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: somebody I'm going to trust and try to move past
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: this whole experience with.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that was the whole time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: We just didn't have those some of those situations I
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: think where Kat and I really crossed that bridge.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Was after I'll say from what people.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: Saw on the show, like the conversation with Lisha, she
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: knew where my rose was going. Uh Alesia knew, you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I told her, And that was the moment where it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: like literally because we would have these conversations about if
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: someone comes in and and for me too, I am
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: someone who wants to be prudent and make the right choice.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: And in some relationships in the past, like you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: I gave so much and I it didn't work out,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: which is fine because you try hard, you die hard,
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: but like that's how you get the greatest gifts.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: But I didn't want to do that again.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: So I was very hesitant, like I just needed to
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: know this is who I'm rocking to ride with. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: I had to also look at myself and say, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: all these people are coming in and everything brings me
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: closer to Kat. It's not about anyone else that's coming
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: in Cat, and I gotta get right. And I think
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: also in our conversation, I was pretty direct and stern,
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: like I was just like, look, I just need more
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: like whatever history, whatever past, whatever it is, I want
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: to know that, like I'm not going to judge you.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to press on like that's the most
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: beautiful thing about you. And I think that was the
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: moment where we both not speaking, and you.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Can well it was the nearly Rows ceremony before I
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: turned to a competition. I can say for the exact
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: moment because I remember everything. I mean, my feelings for
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: him are always developing. But I was also very guarded because.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I had a failed engagement.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: You know, this is like a scary environment to be in,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and I was just always fearful that someone wasn't who
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: they said they were. So I think that translated with
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: maybe a little bit more hesitation emotionally and sharing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Who I am. But you're able to grow really fast
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: in paradise.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: So we got to the point where he was like
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: basically asking for more, and I gave it to him,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and I gave him a look and to my personal life,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: my past, my childhood, things that I typically only share
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: people that I care about, And I think my ability
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: to be vulnerable allowed him to also kind of like
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: let his shoulders down and relax.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: A little bit. And from there it just happened to
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: turn into a competition that night where no one else
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: is coming in so it was perfect for me. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: didn't have to worry about anything anymore.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: But I think that in that night we were like, okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: like we've done the thing. It keeps bringing us closer, Like, actually,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: let's focus on our relationship. And so that was before
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: it even turned into a competition. Really yeah, yeah, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: they kind of cut around that up that thing, which
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not like upset about because I did get really
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: deep about my life. But I think that was probably
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: our biggest turning point. And then also when he and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: when I fully crashed out and it did not scare him.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Really it was like really real time, it was so
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: much more intense.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Exactly, it was bad. It was way longer. I was like.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Shivering.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Oh no, No.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: He was like trying so much to help me, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I kept like trying to help him while being helped.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And then like every time he'd helped me, I would
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: like go into like a fire ant pile or like
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: lose it again, and like it was bad, but it
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: got to the point where I was like crying and upset.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: But it finally got to the point where I had
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: the breakdown.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want to skip over the fire ants. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: hate fire ants, and it was insane. Those existed on
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: there's a problem.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You see me itching my antone in my life, frozen
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: and like petrified in fear to where they couldn't move. Yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I think you saw a glimpse of it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: But legitimately, like I thought they were gonna have to
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: call the paramedics or like they like.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: The therapist have to come in. She was like, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: was thinking about taking you back.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: They were about to take her out of there. It
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: got It was intense, you guys, I mean you did.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I mean I think you've you've hinted at it so
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: many times that you know, you were tested and tried,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and you came out of this thing together. And I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: want to close with you know, the excitement that is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: your future. But I do have two little side questions
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: here that people wrote into us.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: Sure, and then I also wanted.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: To touch on the one because I do think it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a point of clarity that all of us need, mostly
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for your benefit. Sure, this friendship with Sean, Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: It did you know?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It was communicated to us as viewers, and I'm watching
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it being like, I don't know these two people, they
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: could have been best friends outside of this, right that
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you two were really close friends, and then all of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it felt like you turned on him and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he turned on you, and it got really ugly quick.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Can you give us clarity into where your friendship actually
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was with Sean entering into this season.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I never want to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Speak for someone else's experience or how they interpreted a friendship, right,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: but I will just tell you matter of fact, we
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: were friends right after.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: The original Paradise.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: We would talk a little bit, kind of like get
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: boy advice about John Henry at the time and vice versa.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: We just had that common ground of Tampa. I moved
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: to San Diego very shortly after, which has now been
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: almost two years since I moved to San Diego. Since then,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: it's we did not text every day, We did not
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: phone call every month.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I hit him.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Up when I was home and I was like, hey,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: like you should meet my new boyfriend. This was like
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: last year at some point, we're in town whatever, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: that's when he had met my ex.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: And then that was in October.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: And then in December, when I was home for the holidays,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I happened to see him at a bar. That was
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: the time that i'd seen him too. But we did
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: not communicate. I don't even think I replied his Instagram
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: stories or anything like that. When I got my first
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: phone call for Paradise, I called him and I said,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: are you going to Paradise?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Like they're calling people.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: He's like, no, they haven't called me yet, and I
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: was like, call them, tell them you want to go
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: so that I'm not on the beach without anyone because
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't know anybody, and kind of here and there
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: we'd like text or something like before it would come.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And then I think, like maybe right before parody started,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: we had like a long phone call and just like
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: kind of talked about who we're interested in and stuff
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: like that. But that's kind of where that friendship, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: tangibly was communication wise. But I do think that he
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: felt and I did too, like a sense of like
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: connection in an environment where we both didn't really know anyone.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: So that's where that loyalty I think felt. But as
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: far as like, I still didn't really I didn't know
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: him as much or as deep as anymore. So when
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: he was moving in the way he was, I was like, well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: maybe this is who he is. I'm a different person
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: than I was two years ago. Maybe this is who
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: he is, and I don't really want to be associated
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: with that, and that was something I was very clear
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: and honest about. But he's only met my ex twice,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: so they're not like BFFs, and both times were with me.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: So it was confusing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: But I also don't want to invalidate like how he
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: saw our friendship. But at the same time, like, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: just didn't think that I have friends that I'm much
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: closer with and I'm on the same time zone as
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: and like talk.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Much more often. So no, thanks for that's pretty I
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: don't know if that's like makes sense, but it makes sense.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's that's the probably the most irrelevant question that you
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: transition into your relationship and where it's going with kat
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is you have been rumored to be the next Bachelor
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: or in the running to be the next bat So funny,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's been something we've talked about here at Almost Famous podcast.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: It feels like for months, really you've had to see
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the rumors. Maybe you're in paradise at the time. Uh,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: if they called you to ask you to be the Bachelor,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: would you see be saying yes or no?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I'm committed?
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, can I enjoy?
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: She's like, oh, they're doing that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: That was never something like that was in the cards
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: or like in even my mindset.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just focused on this right here. That's literally my
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: only focus.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: What is the focus?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Like where explain to everybody where you're at, what's exciting,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: what's next.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: And walk on the beach tomorrow for the first time.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: A lot of it is experiencing life together because you know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: our worlds are we have a lot of similarities, but
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: our worlds are a lot different, and I think that
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: crossover and understanding each side of the fence is so
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: so important.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: And again I'll say.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: That's a big thing for me too, because I hadn't
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: always had that, like in previous relationships where there was
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: much time with family or meeting a lot of my friends.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: I travel a lot, you know, That's something that I've
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: always cut down because of a relationship. When the time
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: is right, we do a lot more as existed because
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: we couldn't even be public. But we just want to
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: build this as strong as possible. I think we've had
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: all the conversations. We know where we're at in life
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: right now. We're not just dating just for companionship, like
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: I'm looking for a partnership we talk about what we
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: want with kids, with life, with locations, even though we're
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: on different side of the coast, Like, you know, it's
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: a real thing. But you know, I'd say we're fortunate
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: from the standpoint that you bridge the gap and we understand,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: like and we're open to it's not about like just
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: one side or this or that, like these are the
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: things that if we're going to come together and we're
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: going to do this right, how do we do this?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: There's give and take compromise.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he has the ability to kind of
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: move a little bit freely when it comes to work.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I work a steady like Monday through Thursday. But I
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: now that we can actually do things together and he
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: does do traveling for work. I don't know, I'm going
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: to just come on his trips with him.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: And join him in on it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: And during that we're still building, Like it's still been
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: around four to five, Like we're only up four months, right,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: so now we get to go to that next phase
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: of relationship where we can really build and see where
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: it goes. But with us just having that like same
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: goal to bring us closer and bridge that gap is
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: what is really I think needed and just keep checking
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: in and making sure that we're doing that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you have to walk on the beach
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: tomorrow together. That's a big deal deal.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't even come into get to go food with me,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Like we would order food, and he wouldn't even come
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: into the gas station with me, Like he was so
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: serious about the rules.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: So I'm no, I know, but I'm so excited to
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: just like be like this is what I'm in and
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: like we're walking on the beach and like having a
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: morning coffee, Like I'm just so excited to live.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, both we have both looked forward to that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: You know, we're sending pictures to each other.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: All the time and like can't wait.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that we would have done
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: together that would have been fucking ten times better together
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: that we just simply couldn't do. But that's not going
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: to change, and the simple things are the best things.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Today we're closing this thing out. You're getting ready to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: walk off the stage. You no longer have to hide.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Dale and Kat, thank you for joining us. Thank you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: for explaining all the stuff that was questions and up
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: in the air from a viewers standpoint. Thanks for sitting
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: with us today. It's been a long day of talking
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I love hearing here talk about how much he likes
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: to keep it up.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: But now you're done, Go enjoy it, celebrate walk on
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the beach.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: Thanks for joining the almost podcast. Rose all day, all
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: day out there with the Almost Famous podcast. Until next time.
• 32:25
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