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Professional Boxer- Jesus Munoz-Ramirez · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer.
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  SPEAKER_00: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today's episode of the podcast is all about discipline, fracture, and chasing greatness inside the boxing world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joining us in the studio today is Undefeated Professional Boxer Faces Munoz Ramirez, a rising prospect out of Skywalker 101 Boxing Academy in Omaha, Nebraska.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's already making serious noise early in his pro career with an aggressive style and high-light real finishes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for this conversation, I'm also joined by special co-host Caleb Bessel from the sports with best podcast Week into Jesus' journey into boxing, mindset, balancing confidence with hunger, and what he sees for the future as the competition keeps rising.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this one's been a long time coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: First and foremost, as you know, with my fight episodes, I love bringing on a co-host.
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  SPEAKER_00: And who better than the right hand man, or I'm his right hand man for Dynasty Combat Sports, my good friend and host of the Sports with Bets podcast, Caleb Betzold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Caleb, how the heck are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I am uh I'm fantastic, Mike.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for all the kind words.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for allowing me to be back on your show.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's an absolute privilege, and I'm looking forward to uh to getting in and getting in the brain of Mr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jesus Munoz here in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_00: As Caleb said, we have a fantastic guest.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has a 4-0 professional record in our area.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was 37 and 17 as an amateur.
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  SPEAKER_00: He boxes out of Skywalker 101, coached by our good friend Coach Danny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus, Munoz, Ramirez.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for being here, man.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Caleb and I have had the privilege of calling all four of your professional fights so far.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Let's kind of take a step backwards.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: How did you get into boxing and what was kind of your motivation?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I quit soccer because I wasn't liking soccer no more when I was a little kid.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like 11 years old.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I told my mom, I was like, Yeah, I just don't want to play soccer no more.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, people are flopping around, they're calling fouls, you know.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really like that.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I told my mom was I want to do something physical, something combat related.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so we looked around at some gyms and well, boxing came into mind first.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh we found South Omaha DJ's boxing club on 16 and Pierce, that's where it was at, close to downtown.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I went one day, and then you know, I just people were hitting the speed bags, they were jump roping, they were doing sit ups, and I was like, dang, it was it was intimidating at first, it really was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I told my mom, like, yeah, like she stayed there because they had like a little like waiting room and she stayed to watch.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And the coach, he his name Daniel Guardiola, he doesn't coach anymore, but he he's the one, he was my first ever coach for boxing at.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that that's how that's how I got started.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't really like it at first.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to quit after one week.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then my yeah, it's funny.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh my mom was like, No, you can't just quit after one week, like at least say a month.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then why ended up staying, and I ended up staying, you know, forever.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: What uh what helped you turn the corner?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why how'd you go from wanting to quit after a week to uh being a pro fighter, a 4-0 record?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so well, I wanted to quit because I didn't know a lot of things, and I wasn't very talented.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: But the main thing was uh I was training with people that already had 30 fights, and I was training with like really good kids, and I felt like I was like, you know, left behind.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just felt like these guys are so much better than me, you know, and they were kind of beating me up and sparring, and I'm like, man, I can't do it.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it's really hard.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: But then I kept pushing through because I kept seeing like the results, you know, I kept seeing like the progress.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh eventually, like I I was the one beating them up and sparring, and then that's how I knew that I was making progress, I was gonna get far.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's such a rite of passage, I feel like, you know, like I I've done a fair amount of boxing, but also you're like I've got a jujitsu background, and you know, the first two weeks, first month of being a white belt, you mean you just feel like you're getting squished and you're getting beat up by people who you should be, you know, should be beating up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like so, so to go from that to almost I don't want to put words in your mouth, but almost going from being like intimidated or not like getting beat up to being so dominant.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: One of the first things I wanted to know, like, do you even get nervous before fights anymore?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what does that look like for you?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, honestly, I I really don't get nervous before fights.
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  SPEAKER_01: If anything, I get anxious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I want to go in there and get it done, you know?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's how I see it.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't really get nervous, like, like I hope I don't get hurt or anything.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, because when you like when you train so hard, you know what you're gonna you know what you're gonna do.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's gonna happen.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's that's that's the mentality I walk in the room with.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I just kind of building on Caleb's point, and I was gonna point that out, and I'm I'm glad he asked that question because you sure as hell don't fight like somebody that wanted to quit after a month.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like there had to be something, some major turning point, like a specific moment where you just kind of things clicked and you decided that you had a passion for it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Can you recall that exact moment?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was exactly when I turned 18.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I started boxing at 11 years old, but you know, I wasn't very take I wasn't taking it very serious.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was like, I kind of want to put boxing, go into you know, cross country or track for a little bit or you know, take a little breaks, and I wasn't very serious.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: But that's when as I turned 18 and I was like, yeah, I have to lock in really like I really have to you know know what I want.
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  SPEAKER_01: And boxing was it.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Did you have specific influences that kind of helped steer you in that direction that maybe saw your raw natural talent at that point in time and say, you know, dude, really like embrace this?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my my older coaches, they were the ones telling me, like you're you're talented, you hit hard, you're you you know, you're fast, you're light on your feet, like you know, you can take this very far if you want to, and you just gotta stay disciplined.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah, you're right.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and they they were the ones that you know kept me in it.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I wanted to kind of like drift off and go into basketball or you know, into something, they'd be like, No, I'll come back.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you need to stay focused because you're gonna make it far in boxing.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it's funny to hear you say that, Jesus, because actually one of the questions I wrote down I was gonna ask you was if you didn't find yourself in boxing, what sport do you think you would have ended up playing?
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  SPEAKER_02: You kind of said soccer or basketball.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: I guess how would you answer that question?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, think about MMA for a while too.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: When I told my mom that I want to do a combat sport, like boxing was the first one, but you know, I was always interested in you know jujitsu or kickboxing or any other stuff.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that's always gonna remain a mystery.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't know.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Never say never, son, you know?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it would have been a combat sport for sure.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's so interesting, man.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because I something I think that people overlook is that uh, you know, like definitely the the most important factor, and you've hit it hit on it, and I think Skywalker is a great example of this, is that often with combat sports, the people who put in the most work are gonna be the people who get rewarded and who get victories.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: But there's there's levels to it too that like people forget that you guys are pro athletes.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: And just because someone trains as hard as you doesn't mean that they're gonna get the same results as you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, like, again, I want to want to get into your head a little bit just because you've seemed you've seemed so calm and so confident and you punch so hard.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, is there a moment in in each of your you know, your first four pro fights where you just step in and you can tell that you're a level athletically or training-wise better than your opponent, or you're just on another level?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, is there a moment where you can feel that?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel it in training.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel it, you know.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was no, I'll tell you the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was 13 when I when I sparred at 20, he was 24 or 25 years old, and I just I beat him up.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that that's when I knew like there's there's there's levels to this, you know.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been he was training for already like five months.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was training for what two years already.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's you know, that's when I knew there was levels.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I when I when my first fight I fought Lloyd Lloyd Chase.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Lloyd Chase.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I felt from like the first punch and like his speed, you know, I was just counterpunching him and I I knew there was levels to this.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a good lead-in because your first three professional fights were pretty definitively won in the first round.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your most recent fight, April 17th, you fought Michael Edelman, and that to me, and and I say this objectively, subjectively, and with nothing but love in my heart, but that was the first time I felt like you had actually been tested a little bit in the dynasty ring.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was the difference between that fight and the previous three?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think Michael Edelman was a bit more patient.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the reason why I finished the first like three three of my fights were because they came at me and they were just swinging trying to take my head off, and I was just I stayed calm and I was counterpunching and I counterpunch really hard.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I know when I slip a slip a punch and you know I'm able to counter you know very, very hard.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also Michael's also uh a psychologist.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: He moved his feet, yeah, and he's very tough.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that first after that first knockdown, he was smiling, and I was like, Yep, it's gonna go the second round.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I say that with a hundred percent respect.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Michael's a training partner.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: I love Michael, I'll give him a hug if he walked in the room right now.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's a a hundred percent a psychopath, he'd even admit that.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I you know, kind of go going off of that, you know, everybody's got different styles.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, is there are there any fighters or boxers specifically that you study or aim to model your game after?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, kind of like like Terrence Crawford.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I kind of want to have that being able to switch like from Southpaw to Orthodox.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I like that a lot about Crawford, and you never see him get tired, too.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the boxer I look up to.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I look up to like um Julio César Chavez.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's very good, he was a very great boxer.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that guy.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's very, very mean.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to have that like uh that like mentality, the one he had, you know, just very, very mean, very aggressive.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you train at a very prestigious gym, you know, Skywalker 101 Boxing Academy.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're training under Coach Danny.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of names that walk through those doors.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Have you had the opportunity to interact with Terrence Crawford in any capacity, whether it be at Skywalker or another gym?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Terrence has ever dipped in there or not, but in and had a moment where you've had a been able to have a conversation with him.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, to be honest, no, I haven't.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just though he only told me one time, like, oh, like I saw your fight, good fight, and that was that was it.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And just a photo.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was at the Golden Gloves, actually.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was at the uh what year was that?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: 2023?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 2023, Golden Gloves.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is that something that you would entertain?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Would be a one-on-one conversation with him and kind of pick his brain apart?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if if he could give me advice, that would be awesome.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I always listen to everybody.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that that would that would be something, yeah, that's something I'll find.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh without showing your cards or giving anybody uh any bulletin board material, what do you feel like you have to improve on?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or what you know, what do you think what aspects of your game are you actively working on to get you to the next level?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the ability to like read fighters, and also I've been working a lot on my being able to switch to Southpaw.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just just uh because when you switch southpaw on another southpaw, they they get confused and it really throws them off their game.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, wait, this guy just switched southpaw.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I feel like a lot of people don't know about me, and they're like, I can also switch and I can also counter punch.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: People, some people think I'm just a pressured fighter, and like, no, I can counter punch.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: I I feel like some of your biggest highlights have definitely come off of that right hand, you know, counterpunching too.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think that, you know, without going back and looking at the film, I want to say a couple of your stops have have come from exactly that scenario.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: So if you had Southpaw out of the mix, I mean, man, that's that's a whole nother avenue you can walk down, right?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: So training at Skywalker 101, talk about that experience a little bit.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of walk through what a normal training session is like for you and who some of your training partners are at that gym.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: So when I first started, I was 16 and I was training with them, and the first thing I knew is like these guys are strong.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was, you know, I was sparring with grown men, and I was used to kind of sparring with like people at the other boxing gyms, and they're they're not very strong, you know?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're quick, they're light on their feet, but these guys, these MMA players are they're strong.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I knew, like, yeah, I have to get my you know, my strength up, my you know, my strength and conditioning up.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I just I gotta start hitting the weight room.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it was always nice, but like training with Carlos, Blaine, but back then I would I would also spar with Nate Smith, you know, all those guys.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I spar with Cohen now too.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Cohen Loudy's very good.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very good striking and very good jujitsu.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, you know, it was always always awesome learning from those guys too.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they're just they're just dogs.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like they they push me, they push me in training a lot.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know your focus is pretty sharp and that you've got your eyes on the big prize, which we're gonna get to here in just a moment.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: But have you dabbled in any other disciplines since you are training with so many fighters that come from the mixed martial arts world?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I like that, you know, that MMA that chain wrestling, you know, looks so cool.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, being able to submit somebody, like it just looks awesome to me.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm just a fan of combat sport.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're certainly in the right spot for it, man.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever they're putting in the water over there at Skywalker.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there you guys are are just uh pro fighting, you know, breeding machine over there.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't actually I don't even know, you know, going back to the origin story.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: How did you and Danny get connected?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: How did you how did you find Skywalker?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so my mom helped me because she was like, Yeah, you need because I was losing fights, because that's most of my losses in my amateur days were when I was little, when I was younger.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I was losing fights because I was like, man, I need something like you know, technique-wise, that's what my mom and dad said.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so we ended up finding, you know, um Skywalker 101, and we talked with Coach Danny, and he he said he's willing to help me.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, he helped me a lot, you know, he took me on the mids, he showed me a lot of technique, he corrected a lot of my errors, and um, that's how I was able to get to the next level with him.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that that all happened when I was 16, and then I turned 17 right away.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Forgot what month we started training in, but it was close to my birthday already.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's that's you know, we're here now.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, walk us through what Danny says to you in between rounds in the corner, because Caleb and I always sit there and we speculate.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, well, what do you think the corner is saying right now?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: What is Danny telling you in between rounds?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he'll he'll tell me, you know, he's like, if he sees any mistake I'm making, if he sees that I'm a little too patient, he'll tell me, like, hey, you know, let's just start picking it up a little bit more, more volume.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he'll tell me to go two three or you know, the R, you know, our combos, he'll he'll name them through like numbers, like six three is an uppercut and left hook, and then things like that.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, he'll just, you know, he'll give me the right advice, that's for sure.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I always listen to him and that's that's what's got me so far.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and if he'll motivate me too, you know, he'll be like, you know, like ripping this guy's head off, you know, something like that.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he'll be like drop him from drop him with the body shot, you know, like break his ribs, you know, that's what he'll tell me.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: But he his his he always giving me good instructions, good at you know, so and and that's what I need every time in the corner.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just like just that reminder, and that's what I like about.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: What does training look like for you then?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, are you spending a lot of time one-on-one with Danny?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Are you doing more group classes?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: How does that all break down?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so there'll be like yeah, one-on-ones with Kojani, and then there'll also be team training in the morning or strength and conditioning with with the guys, and then I'll do my box team training at CW Boxing Club, but that'll be uh like five in the afternoon.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm training mostly in the in the mornings with the with the team with Skywalker.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: And how I mean that sounds like a lot.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: So you're doing individual Danny, weight training, and then you know, some team training, and then you know, some uh training outside of Skywalker too.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Are are you always in fight mode then?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Or do you do you ramp up or slow down leading up to a fight and after a fight?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: What is like what does your training schedule look like normally leading up to a fight and then after a fight?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, leading up to a fight, you know, like a month out, you know, I got four weeks.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I'm you know, training three times a day, sometimes two.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I feel tired, you know, I'm slow, I'm going a little bit down.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: If I feel sore, you know, I'll be like, okay, I'm gonna train, but I'm not gonna train as hard.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm gonna take it easy.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's that's what I'll do.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then after a fight, I'll just I'll kind of take a little break, you know, let my muscles recover.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if I feel a pain, you know, I'll kind of just like like, you know, I'm not gonna hit the bag, I'm not gonna do anything.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna let it, you know, heal.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna get back to training.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I'm always trying to stay in shape.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Just just in case of, you know, if something comes up short notice, you know, I'm ready.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do you uh you have a favorite training partner or sparring partner in the gym?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Not really, but I would say it's like I like sparring with like someone like Carlos.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Trained that?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because he'll he'll really like push me and test me.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, man, he's so long, he leans back, you know, he's kind of awkward.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, I can't really hit him.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I like sparring with him.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, plus you always want to spar with somebody that you you wouldn't mind trading places with, right?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Getting flown out to Dubai and fighting professionally is not a not a bad life.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Sweet, man.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's look into the future a little bit.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: I basic question here do you have your next fight on the books yet?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, not yet.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: But you're looking for one.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, I'm looking for one.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I if I could fight every month, you know, that'd be awesome.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Where I'm going with this is with a 4-0 record, all of your professional fights being under the dynasty umbrella so far, and and I imagine you'll probably pick up one or two more.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there are promotions out there like Zufa and top rank and other big name promotions.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Where do you end up seeing yourself landing say six months to a year from now?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I just had this conversation with uh my coach, and you know, we were talking, we were like, I was telling him, I was like, I wonder where I'm gonna end up in, you know, the zone, top rank, you know, all those other promotions, Zoofah.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, like I don't know, it's whatever whoever sees my talent first, really.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I honestly think that's gonna be Zofa.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, obviously, like if top rank offers me, you know, you know, they want to get me first, you know, I'm always gonna go with them.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or the zone or you know, etc.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So are you looking at other Midwest promotions to kind of build that resume before you chase that?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I'm trying to fight more on like um like the regional thing, like travel a little bit more.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: If I get some fights in Kansas or Colorado or, you know, wherever, you know, I'm willing to travel.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: So as you look at look to the future as well, too.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: I know that like longevity um it is a big part of that.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: What does your like nutrition and your diet look like?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I always try to keep my like my diet clean, but after fights, I do eat like a lot.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just because like I see food.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: That was gonna be a good one.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: But no, yeah, I'm trying, you know, when I'm in fight, fight camp, and I'm just eating like three times a day, very healthy.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what it's looking like.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then elite nutrition, you know, they they help me a lot too with my scans, you know.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because with the scans, you know, I'm able to like tell where my body fat is at and everything, you know.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And if if I haven't drinking enough water, my muscle mass, so that helps a lot.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, just the dieting, like I already know what to do because I've been doing it for so long.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I was I was gonna ask you that too.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: That so you're you're eating super clean, you're getting your labs done, you know, you've got some nutrition help.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, it's just habit you at this point.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then you you have the fight, you know, you do whatever weight cut, have the fight.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: What's the post meal look like?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Pizza, pizza or or Mexican food, you know.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: What's your favorite pizza?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Where where's the best pizza place in Omaha?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is a controversial topic.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Me, I I really don't have a preference, you know.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just I eat wherever.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I get like dominoes or Or uh what's that place in uh in Shadow Lake, that pizza place here in Omaha?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot the name of it, but it's very good too.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I forgot the name of it.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's in uh Shadow Lake, right off 370, highway 370.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: But that place is very good.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: Do yourself a favor after your next fight.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Get yourself a tasties pizza.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's on like 60th and Leavenworth.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they've got this pizza that's got peppers and chicken and buffalo sauce on it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's got like a special name, dude.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, it's good normally.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: I can't imagine after a after a victory that's gotta be 10 out of 10.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Do yourself a favor and go get that next time.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I will.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry for the free shout-out, Mike.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's all good.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's all good.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna recommend Tassies.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna recommend going to pitch.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love that I love the fire-grilled pizza myself, but yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's kind of let's kind of bring this home a little bit.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Caleb touched on your diet regimen.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: We touched on your training.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Mindset-wise, how do you keep yourself focused and disciplined as you're looking towards the future?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always like trying to improve, you know.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like if if I see that, like let's say I'm getting too comfortable or I'm not training hard enough, like I'll be I'll remind myself, like, hey, I gotta like, I gotta lock in, like I gotta run even if I don't want to run.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I gotta hit the weight room even if I don't want to.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just you know, motivation won't really be there.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's just discipline, it's just knowing that I have to do it, I have to.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's how I keep myself focused.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: And always like you're always just trying to improve, you know.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Always learning too.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Knowing what you know now and having experienced what you've experienced, what advice would you give 11-year-old Jesus now that you've had this experience?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I yeah, I would tell myself like, hey, you know, just be kind to others for sure, because people weren't very kind to me, you know, when I was first in the gym.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if I see kids that need help, you know, I always help them with technique or anything else, it's just be kind, you know, and help out.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And always, you know, don't be scared to ask questions too.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you got a question on on if you know if you feel like you're doing something wrong, you know, just ask for help.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: What does your like support system look like?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm sure that you you know you tell people you're a pro boxer and they look at you like you're some sort of you know, caveman animal, crazy person or whatever, and that's so uh I mean, you know, that's so far from the truth.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, what is your support system?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Who do you have rooting uh you know cheering you on in your corner outside of the ring?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean my whole family.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: My parents have always supported me since I was little.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, when I was 18, they're like had a talk with my dad, and he's like, hey, if you want to do this, I'll support you 100%, but you gotta show me that you're you know 100% you know focused in this and you really want it.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I told him, Yeah, I really want it.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, I'll support you 100%.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was the same thing with my mom and yeah, just to the rest of my family.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I have two siblings, you know, they're very supportive.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my my whole family, my cousins, uncles, aunts, you know, they're very supportive too.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Man, there are two things that I think happen when people start attaining goals at a high level, and they're actual psychological terms, and one's called familiarity bias, and the other one is proximity envy.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's when people that surround you don't see your progress because they're so used to a past version of you, you know, they're so used to the person they know outside of that great thing that you've accomplished.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, kind of building off of what Caleb asked, Do you experience that on some levels sometimes?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, pe because people won't see like the the work you put in the gym.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: They'll think like, oh, this guy's kind of just lucky.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, nah, like, you know, I've been training since I was 11 years old, you know, I'm definitely not lucky.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I wasn't when I first started, I wasn't fast, I wasn't strong, and I was crawny and weak.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't even run for like two miles without stopping.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, like if you're there and like you experience like me working out, you're gonna see like, oh, that's why he's gotten so far.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Would you consider yourself your own worst critic?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, honestly, yeah.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: If not my mom.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: She'll be like, hey, you got hit once, you shouldn't have gotten hit at all.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, man, you know.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: I I I'm curious too, just getting to know you a little bit personally here.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: What do you like to do when you're not when you're not putting in work, man?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: What do you like to do for fun?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Anything?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I definitely like hiking.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I kind of got into like, you know, hiking, going out in nature, walking on my dog, playing video games too.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll be playing video games.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if I could hang out with some friends, you know, I also go out with him.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or just, you know, just hang out with my family too, you know.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm not, you know, in in training mode and just like, oh, I gotta destroy this guy, you know.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: And once I'm out of that mode, you know, I can go, you know, relax, just talk with him and just chill.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: I love it, man.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I gotta tell you, it has been nothing short of a pleasure to watch this ascension in such a short amount of time, and I'm so looking forward to whatever's coming next for you.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: The closing question that I ask every person on every episode of Caught on the Mike, and I like everybody's different answer.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Based on your level of experience, the things that you've gone through, your levels of training, you know, your experience in the boxing world, your experience in life, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, definitely, you know, just be kind to others, you know.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's my big advice, people.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just you know, just be kind, you know.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: If someone irritates you or something like that, you know, try to get try to understand what they're going through in a way, you know.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Or yeah, just that would be my best advice.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Just be kind.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because so many people, you know, I feel like in today's world they just either get mad at each other, there's a lot of fighting, you know, you know, just be kind, you know, to one another.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: That would be my you know, big advice.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: The thing I kind of thought about this week is people are really lacking two things.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're lacking one thing, everybody's lacking nuance, but they're very heavy on presumption.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they lack the nuance to appreciate the differences between one another, but they're very heavy on presuming the worst case scenario about other people.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of lends to your your commentary about kindness is you know, kindness takes an open mind and a really strong heart.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I wholeheartedly agree with you.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 29:01
  unknown: No.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: That uh honestly, that answer kind of took me took me by surprise in a good way, Jesus.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like uh, and you you you brought that up earlier about you know what advice could you could you give to your would you give to your younger self?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's just be kind to people.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, even I find myself making the assumption that I find you'd say like work harder, train harder, you know, whatever it is.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's kind of the stereotypical answer.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: But I I really love that, man.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Jesus, I just gotta say, man, I think you're the shit.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I, you know, I asked you the question, uh, when did you know that you know you were a level above people?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I I won't speak for Mike, but I knew first round of the first fight that we called of yours, I was like, okay, this guy is this guy's world class.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: This guy's is is totally on another level.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, man, it's awesome to know you.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a pleasure calling your fights, man.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm looking forward to to being a part of this journey with you and following you as a fan in the future.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: That means a lot.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: You guys know that first ones, first ones to witness all this, so it's awesome.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't I can't second, third, fourth, fifth, what Caleb said enough.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hey Seuss, why don't you tell anybody that's watching this or listening to this where they can find you online?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you guys can you know follow me on Instagram, you know, Jesus Munoz underscore 11.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, TikTok too is just my name, Facebook as well, you know, just Jesus Munoz.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, those are only the platforms I'm really on.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't use YouTube, but yeah, just those three.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, make sure you're also following Skywalker101 Boxing Academy on Instagram.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they post a lot of content re related to Jesus' fights, dynasty combat sports as well.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you're also following at Dynasty Announced Team.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: But no, I mean, it's a it's a lot of fun, man.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And and Jesus, thank you so much for doing the show.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me on.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: And and hey, Caleb, thank you two.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: You're all right.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, dude, anytime you want, I'll stop what I'm doing and say, yes.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: What a what a privilege.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it, fellas.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, I'd like to thank my good friends Jesus Munoz Ramirez and Caleb Betzel for joining me on the podcast today.
• 31:13
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• 31:20
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• 31:29
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• 31:36
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• 31:42
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• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: I am Michael Clark.
• 31:47
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• 31:51
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