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Molly Mae and Zoe Rae Clash Over Tommy Fury · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, the ugly
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Speaker 1: truth behind Molly May and Tommy Fury's reunion and Indy
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Speaker 1: Clinton's PR stunt is exposed. But first, Olivia Rogers' ex-husband,
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Speaker 1: Justin McKeon, has welcomed a baby boy with his bachelor
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Speaker 1: contestant girlfriend, Tani Leeson. I was really surprised when I
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Speaker 1: saw this announcement pop up on Instagram because he was
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Speaker 1: born nearly four weeks early. So Tani chose Mother's Day
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Speaker 1: to announce the arrival of Arlo Leeson-McKeon, who was born
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Speaker 1: on the 28th of April. Thoughts on the name, Soph?
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Speaker 1: I like the name. Amy has a couple of kids
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Speaker 1: in her friendship group with the name Arlo, and I've
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Speaker 1: always thought it was very cute. It's quite unique, but
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Speaker 1: then I don't think it's been overdone. Oh, see, I
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Speaker 1: actually think that there are so many Arlo's at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, there's a few in Amy's
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Speaker 1: friendship group alone. I know a lot of dogs called Arlo.
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Speaker 1: And then Sarah's Day has recently had Harlo. So I
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Speaker 1: think it's a name that is very popular. And I
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Speaker 1: think there's going to be a lot of Arlo's in
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Speaker 1: our son's grades at school. I haven't seen it popping
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Speaker 1: up in the most popular boys names list though. So
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Speaker 1: I feel like maybe it was a name that was
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Speaker 1: quite popular a couple of years ago. I was surprised
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Speaker 1: they went with a hyphenated surname. I thought it might
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Speaker 1: just be McKeon. I really wasn't surprised by it at all.
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Speaker 1: I think it reflects where they are in their relationship.
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Speaker 1: They split up before the public announcement of this baby
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Speaker 1: news and seemed to get back together because of it.
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Speaker 1: They're not married. And I don't think that she perhaps
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Speaker 1: knows necessarily where she stands in this relationship going forward,
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Speaker 1: particularly with the fact that Justin may be going to
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Speaker 1: prison soon. Yeah, well, he is facing allegations of stealing
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Speaker 1: almost half a million dollars from his former employer. He
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Speaker 1: hasn't appeared at the last two hearings, so we don't
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Speaker 1: really know what's going on with that. And I found
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Speaker 1: it interesting because there was actually no reference to Justin
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Speaker 1: in Tani's announcement post. So she uploaded 12 photos in
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Speaker 1: a carousel. And Justin featured in the background of two
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Speaker 1: of them where he was supporting Tani throughout the labor.
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Speaker 1: So he was definitely at the labor, but there wasn't
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Speaker 1: a photo of him with his son and also with Tani.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that that is necessarily reflective of whether
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Speaker 1: they're together or not. I think that Tani and Justin
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Speaker 1: would realize that the media would jump on this photo
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Speaker 1: op and they would splash a photo of the three
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Speaker 1: of them all over their news website. So I think
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Speaker 1: by her posting alone, it doesn't attract as much attention.
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Speaker 1: But they already did a photo shoot when they announced
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Speaker 1: the pregnancy. Yeah, but I think now that the writing
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Speaker 1: is somewhat on the wall over this court case and
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Speaker 1: he's been a no-show, that he doesn't want to attract
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Speaker 1: even more attention to it. I totally disagree. The writing
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Speaker 1: was on the wall when they made the pregnancy announcement.
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Speaker 1: He had shut down his Instagram account. He actually returned
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Speaker 1: to Instagram to be a collaborator on this pregnancy announcement
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Speaker 1: post He's not a collaborator on the birth announcement. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but at the time, it was also looking like he
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Speaker 1: was going to try and fight these claims against him,
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Speaker 1: but subsequently he hasn't appeared in court. His legal team
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Speaker 1: have dropped him. But I don't think that's got anything
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Speaker 1: to do with it. I think that something potentially could
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Speaker 1: be going on with him and Tani because he hasn't
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Speaker 1: even commented on the post, which is unusual because he's
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Speaker 1: commented on her last three posts. It's a bit strange.
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Speaker 1: I mean, his Instagram bio says Arlo's dad in it.
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Speaker 1: I just think it's a bit murky about what's going
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Speaker 1: on between them. And I feel really sorry for Tani
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Speaker 1: because she needs so much support at the moment. She
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Speaker 1: shared in the announcement post that it wasn't the best
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Speaker 1: entry into motherhood because Arlo was experiencing breathing difficulties shortly
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Speaker 1: after he was born and the poor thing had to
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Speaker 1: spend 10 days in the hospital. Fortunately, he's now home
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Speaker 1: and it's been two weeks and he's doing really well.
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Speaker 1: But Tani wrote, no one can prepare you to go
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Speaker 1: through the all-consuming and emotional experience of childbirth. only to
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Speaker 1: watch this tiny little boy being wheeled away from you
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Speaker 1: mere hours later. Then the hours upon hours I spent
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Speaker 1: in hospital just holding him in my arms, never wanting
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Speaker 1: to leave and crying when I had to. Hasn't this
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Speaker 1: poor girl gone through enough? It would be such a
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Speaker 1: difficult time with everything going on in the background with
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Speaker 1: Justin and then to have your baby arrive four weeks early.
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Speaker 1: I do wonder if since the birth of this child,
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Speaker 1: things have turned even more south with their relationship. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the baby Arlo was born on the 28th of April 2019.
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Speaker 1: She made the announcement on the 11th of May. That's
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in between. Maybe since he was born,
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Speaker 1: Justin has been absent and that's why she hasn't wanted
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Speaker 1: to include him in the Instagram. Yeah, look, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to speculate because it's obviously a really difficult time
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Speaker 1: for them. I mean, he was born in a Perth hospital,
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Speaker 1: which is where Justin, he's relocated from Melbourne to Perth.
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Speaker 1: Tani's been there with him. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I hope things are okay with them. As I said,
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Speaker 1: Tani really needs the support at this time. I also
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Speaker 1: think potentially Justin is just wanting to keep an incredibly
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Speaker 1: low profile with everything going on. Again, I don't think
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Speaker 1: they should have done the pregnancy photo shoot because the
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Speaker 1: news are reporting on this and they're just using those photos.
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Speaker 2: How's it going?
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Speaker 1: Good. Very good. It's my first day. A video of
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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton supposedly meeting a co-worker at a new corporate
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Speaker 1: gig is going viral on TikTok. It comes a month
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Speaker 1: after an anonymous user uploaded a video of Indy appearing
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Speaker 1: to be in the middle of a job interview. So
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Speaker 1: this second TikTok has all but confirmed that this is
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Speaker 1: a publicity stunt. I mean, we all smelled a rat
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Speaker 1: when that first video went viral a month ago, but
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Speaker 1: this definitely removes any seed of doubt. In this new video,
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Speaker 1: the office worker just happened to be randomly filming herself
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Speaker 1: typing on the computer at work when her unexpected new co-worker,
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Speaker 1: aka Indy Clinton, sat down next to her And similar
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Speaker 1: to the last video, the interaction was uploaded to TikTok
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Speaker 1: by a supposed anonymous user whose account had no other posts. Now,
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Speaker 1: this did make sense for the initial video because the
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Speaker 1: office worker in that video was acting as though they
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be caught out by their boss for
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Speaker 1: secretly filming Indy in the middle of a job interview.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, the office worker clearly didn't care
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Speaker 1: about her identity being revealed because Her face was front
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Speaker 1: and center in this whole clip. None of it makes
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Speaker 1: sense because if we actually believed this first video that
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Speaker 1: came out, then surely that office worker would have been
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Speaker 1: hauled in by the boss and said, how dare you
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Speaker 1: share this video? People are not to be talking about it.
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Speaker 1: And there would have been discussion in the office. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has this job. No one is to film her.
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Speaker 1: For this second video to come out, it's just so obvious. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: over the top of the video, the office worker wrote,
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Speaker 1: point of view, your new co-worker is Indy Clinton. Let's
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Speaker 1: have a listen to the awkward exchange between Indy and
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Speaker 1: this co-worker in the video. Hello. Hi.
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm good. Are you new? Yeah, I'm Indy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm Hannah. Hi, nice to meet you. How's it going?
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Speaker 1: Good. Very good. It's my first day. Is it? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Are you on this team? Yeah. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 2: Do I know you from... I know. And now you
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Speaker 2: work here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: Do you know how to get into your computer? Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I've got the pin.
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Speaker 2: It's all sorted. Thank you. Cool.
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Speaker 1: No worries.
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Speaker 2: Are you going for lunch?
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Speaker 1: I think so, yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to come? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Do you mind?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 1: Anytime. No worries. Let me know if you need anything. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I love that Indy has her priorities right. She was
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Speaker 1: asking about what is happening for lunch even before she
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Speaker 1: was logged onto her computer. I mean, that's just good
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Speaker 1: office camaraderie. I still remember starting a job and they
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Speaker 1: set me up with this buddy who was meant to
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Speaker 1: look after me. And rather than taking me out to lunch,
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Speaker 1: it was her birthday and she went out to lunch
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Speaker 1: with all the other girls in the office and left
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Speaker 1: me by myself. That is just mean. I feel like
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Speaker 1: when anyone is new, you've got to let them come
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Speaker 1: along with you. You've got to introduce them to everyone. Now,
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Speaker 1: this video quickly attracted over 1.9 million views. 84,000 likes
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Speaker 1: and over 1,600 send-ons, so there was a massive reaction
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Speaker 1: to this video. However, I was surprised to see that
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Speaker 1: not everyone cottoned on to the fact that this is
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Speaker 1: a marketing stunt that we're all watching unfold. One user wrote,
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Speaker 1: imagine Indie just trying to fit in and see her
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Speaker 1: co-worker posted a video of her on her first day, lol.
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Speaker 1: And that comment got over 5,000 likes. Whilst another said,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Indie is thrilled to be filmed without her knowledge.
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Speaker 1: While another said, does she know you did this? Just wondering.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can see why marketing campaigns like this work.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're all saying, oh, it's so obvious that
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Speaker 1: it's a PR stunt, but we've got a background in
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Speaker 1: PR and marketing. When it comes to TikTok, there's not
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Speaker 1: a lot of background on things. So people just take
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Speaker 1: this sort of stuff verbatim. Well, there were a lot
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Speaker 1: of followers who were commenting their concern for some people
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Speaker 1: having no critical thinking skills. One user wrote, come on, guys,
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Speaker 1: you've got to find a way to decipher real versus
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Speaker 1: stage videos. Now, most people did say cotton on to
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Speaker 1: the fact that this is a publicity stunt and thought
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Speaker 1: that this was marketing genius. One user wrote, the marketing
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Speaker 1: girlies know this is a teaser, but we stand regardless.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty clear that the marketing team were
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Speaker 1: trying to drop more clues in this video because you
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Speaker 1: could tell that the office had something to do with
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Speaker 1: skincare or cosmetics because they were shelves bursting with products
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Speaker 1: in the background. And as we did predict last month,
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Speaker 1: this has all the telltale signs of a TBH skincare
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Speaker 1: stunt because In early 2024, Indie was accused of being
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Speaker 1: involved in a different PR stunt with the brand, and
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Speaker 1: that's when she accidentally leaked one of their unreleased products
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Speaker 1: in a daily vlog. So that leak got a lot
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Speaker 1: of media attention. It actually created unprecedented exposure for the brand.
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Speaker 1: And TBH had a very sleek PR response on TikTok,
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Speaker 1: which made people dubious. One of their most popular videos
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Speaker 1: showed the marketing manager calling up TBH's founder, Rachel Wild,
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Speaker 1: and breaking the news to her. And then the team
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Speaker 1: claimed to have this emergency meeting the next day and
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Speaker 1: they brought the launch forward. And that ended up actually
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Speaker 1: being TBH's most successful product launch due to all of
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Speaker 1: the exposure basically from the media about this idiot influencer
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Speaker 1: who leaked the the new brand to everyone. Yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: very well known for their guerrilla marketing tactics. In terms
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Speaker 1: of what's going on with this publicity stunt, is Clear
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Speaker 1: Indie is releasing a line or a product through tbh
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Speaker 1: and it seems like the company have been so kind
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Speaker 1: to throw us an easter egg so When I first
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Speaker 1: looked at the TikTok username, I thought it was just
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Speaker 1: some random numbers and letters. But no, super sleuths have
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Speaker 1: realized that it's a clue about the product's release date.
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Speaker 1: So the username is B27052025H. So that gives us the
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Speaker 1: release date of the 27th of May, 2025. This is
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Speaker 1: what I call marketing genius. There is also a secondary
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Speaker 1: clue in there. So the TikTok username started with a
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Speaker 1: B and ended with an H, which funnily enough, that's
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Speaker 1: my husband's initials. Oh, is he on this? He has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. So Influencer Updates has cracked
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Speaker 1: the code for us on this one. She shared that
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Speaker 1: she believes the BH stands for Boof Hair. And she
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Speaker 1: then shared a follow-up screenshot of Boof Hair's new Instagram account,
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Speaker 1: which happens to only follow TBH's founder, Rachel Wild. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: And so far, the account has only three posts. So
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Speaker 1: one of the posts is a video showing a clock
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Speaker 1: ticking with the caption, set your alarms for the 27th
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Speaker 1: of May, 2025. So again, it reiterates that launch date
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Speaker 1: in the TikTok username. The second post shows someone's hair
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Speaker 1: being brushed. And the third is a close-up shot of
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Speaker 1: red packaging with the caption, did your hair go poof?
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Speaker 1: We're here to make it go boof. Now, to me,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like this product is potentially for postpartum hair loss,
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Speaker 1: which would make Indy, who is a mum of three,
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Speaker 1: the perfect face for it. God. I mean, I hope
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Speaker 1: it's a good product because I am experiencing that at
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Speaker 1: the moment and it is a pain in the ass. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't given birth yet and my hair
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Speaker 1: is in the best condition that it's been in for
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Speaker 1: a while. Enjoy that. And I know that it's just
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Speaker 1: going to snap off instantly when I give birth or
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Speaker 1: I stop breastfeeding. The worst bit is I always just
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Speaker 1: pull my hair back now and then I've got these
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Speaker 1: little bits that just will not pull back. They look
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Speaker 1: ridiculous and I don't have time. to blow dry my
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Speaker 1: hair either. So they're just, it's just very unruly. Well,
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Speaker 1: on the Instagram account, there is a link to Boof's
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Speaker 1: new website and it takes you to a landing page,
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Speaker 1: which says, hi, you've reached Boof. We're not available right now,
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Speaker 1: but if you leave your email and telephone number, we'll
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Speaker 1: be in touch. And it then asks the public to
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Speaker 1: subscribe to be the first to find out about the
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Speaker 1: new haircare line. So I am guessing that Indy is
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Speaker 1: the face of this new line. I don't necessarily think
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Speaker 1: she has a financial stake in this business, but I
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Speaker 1: think that this whole marketing campaign has been genius because
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Speaker 1: when else would we be talking about the fact that
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Speaker 1: TBH is launching a new haircare line? Who really cares? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Hats off to them. Everyone is playing along at home.
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Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed it. It will be interesting to see
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Speaker 1: if that converts to sales like it did for the
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Speaker 1: original publicity stunt with Indy Clinton.
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Speaker 2: I actually don't hate you in the slightest. I feel
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Speaker 2: like you actually hate me.
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Speaker 1: Molly Mae and Tommy Fury are officially back together. Molly
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Speaker 1: broke the worst kept secret in part two of her
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Speaker 1: prime doco behind it all. While fans were thrilled about
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Speaker 1: the reconciliation, one member of the family couldn't hide their
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Speaker 1: true feelings. Molly's older sister Zoe Ray is not happy
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Speaker 1: about the reunion. No, and she didn't hold back, sharing
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Speaker 1: her concerns directly with her sister and also the world.
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Speaker 1: So Zoe was up front saying that she didn't believe
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Speaker 1: Tommy had resolved his issues with alcohol. And she said
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Speaker 1: that she hoped her sister would make the right decision
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Speaker 1: and feared their relationship would be damaged if she got
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Speaker 1: back with the boxer. Molly Mae also conceded to the
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Speaker 1: film crew that navigating her relationship with Zoe was the
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Speaker 1: trickiest it had ever been. A lot of people have
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Speaker 1: described Zoe as the hero of this documentary for being
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Speaker 1: the only person to give it straight to Molly Mae. Oh,
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Speaker 1: you can tell that Molly Mae is just surrounded by
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Speaker 1: yes people. And Zoe is the only person that has
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Speaker 1: the balls to say, hey, I don't think that this
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Speaker 1: is a good idea. Everyone is talking about the scene
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Speaker 1: in the car with the sisters, which I think is
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Speaker 1: probably one of the most relatable scenes of this whole documentary.
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Speaker 1: Last time they were in the car singing to the
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Speaker 1: Saddle Club theme song. This time they were having a
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Speaker 1: heated argument about Molly's relationship with Tommy and off the
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Speaker 1: back of that much publicised New Year's Eve kiss. Isn't
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Speaker 1: that just sisterhood? One day you're singing in the Saddle Club,
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Speaker 1: next day you're having a big argument. You know what?
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Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to be a different day. It
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Speaker 1: can be within half an hour of each other. Well,
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Speaker 1: on the topic of that New Year's kiss, I love
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Speaker 1: seeing behind the scenes of the crisis phone call with Fran.
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Speaker 1: You could tell that she was so embarrassed. She looked
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Speaker 1: a bit sheepish about the whole thing. Oh, she did.
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Speaker 1: And it's like she didn't want to admit to anyone.
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Speaker 1: She said, oh, Tommy was only there for 10 minutes
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Speaker 1: at the end, which kind of made it sound even worse. Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because there was this whole rhetoric online that they'd been
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Speaker 1: seen flirting all night she's like that's not true he
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Speaker 1: literally arrived like 10 minutes before the countdown which i'm
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Speaker 1: like babe it kind of makes it look worse yeah
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Speaker 1: he only took him 10 minutes to persuade you to
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Speaker 1: have this new year's eve kiss in front of all
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Speaker 1: of these people also how molly trusted everyone that was
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Speaker 1: there at the party but then it still ended up
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Speaker 1: in the press i felt really sorry for her How
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Speaker 1: good was it when Fran told her to go pour
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Speaker 1: herself a stiff drink and she got out a fruit box?
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Speaker 1: This is what makes her so relatable at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day. You could tell Zoe wasn't too happy
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Speaker 1: about it because she gave up her New Year's Eve
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Speaker 1: to babysit Bambi so Molly could go to this party.
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Speaker 1: And she ended up kissing Tommy, who she's not happy with. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and she threw it in her face in the car
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Speaker 1: like all good sisters do. And she asked Molly if
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Speaker 1: she regretted it or felt embarrassed. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my God, that is not going to end well. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I feel sorry for Zoe because as she said, she's
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Speaker 1: just sick of having to be the one to pick
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Speaker 1: up the pieces. Let's throw in more of that exchange.
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Speaker 2: We just maybe don't speak about it. No, I don't
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Speaker 2: feel comfortable not talking about it because sisters need to
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Speaker 2: be able to tell each other everything. Right, so then
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Speaker 2: I need to be able to tell you the good,
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Speaker 2: bad and the ugly. Your relationship and how you feel
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Speaker 2: and how you are with Tommy is my only concern.
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Speaker 1: But what a lovely life that you have.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know. Nothing I do will say she
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Speaker 2: was going to change. what you do or your opinion
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Speaker 2: or how you feel towards him. Correct. And you know what, Zoe,
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Speaker 2: that's the wisest thing I think you've ever said. I
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Speaker 2: know at some point, Molly, in the next year, however
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Speaker 2: long it is, there will be a time where unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: and I hate to say it, you probably will be
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Speaker 2: upset again.
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Speaker 1: I've seen a bit of a mixed response around Molly
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Speaker 1: saying to Zoe, well, what a lovely life you have
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Speaker 1: if that's your only worry. And people are saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: it's actually very commendable of Zoe to be concerned about
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Speaker 1: Molly and her relationship. But as someone who has sisters,
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Speaker 1: I read that line differently. Because I think that Molly
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Speaker 1: feels very judged by Zoe. And she is saying to her, well,
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Speaker 1: you're coming from this position of having this very healthy,
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Speaker 1: happy relationship. I mean, Zoe recently got married. And her
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Speaker 1: life probably to Molly seems very easy and picture perfect.
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Speaker 1: Very stable. Yeah, very stable. And Molly's saying, well, I'm
16:33
Speaker 1: so sorry that you've got everything put together and I don't. Yeah,
16:36
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Zoe because she's been copying some
16:38
Speaker 1: backlash on TikTok. People are complaining that she needs to
16:40
Speaker 1: back off and let Molly live her own life. It's clear,
16:44
Speaker 1: as you said, Sophie, that those people don't have sisters
16:46
Speaker 1: because someone who understands that sister dynamic is Zoe just
16:49
Speaker 1: wants what's best for Molly and it's not Tommy. I mean,
16:53
Speaker 1: I'm sad to say that because I've always loved Tommy
16:55
Speaker 1: and Molly together, but it's quite clear that he's really
16:59
Speaker 1: hurt her and I think she's just taking him back
17:01
Speaker 1: way too quickly. I can see it from Molly's perspective though,
17:05
Speaker 1: because I've been in that scenario where you really want
17:07
Speaker 1: to take someone back and you're in the position, because
17:10
Speaker 1: I almost feel like Molly's in the position where she's
17:12
Speaker 1: been somewhat begging Tommy, even though it really should be
17:15
Speaker 1: the other way around. And you feel embarrassed because you
17:19
Speaker 1: know that everyone's judging you for it, but that's what
17:21
Speaker 1: your heart wants, even though it doesn't seem right. Yeah.
17:24
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I've been in a toxic relationship in
17:27
Speaker 1: my early twenties and I dated someone who treated me terribly.
17:30
Speaker 1: And you guys were very much in Zoe's position where
17:33
Speaker 1: you hated him and you were well within your rights too.
17:35
Speaker 1: But when you actually care about the person, you end
17:38
Speaker 1: up forgiving them. Well, that's the worst thing as a
17:40
Speaker 1: sister when you can just see that someone is bad news. Yeah.
17:43
Speaker 1: But the thing is you forgive them, but your sisters don't.
17:46
Speaker 1: So that's the position that Zoe's in. She's heard all
17:49
Speaker 1: of this terrible stuff that Tommy has done because Molly said,
17:51
Speaker 1: I've told her everything and she can't forgive him. And
17:53
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to. Yeah. For Zoe, she doesn't have
17:55
Speaker 1: the emotional buy-in of being part of that relationship. So
17:58
Speaker 1: she can see it for what it is. But being
18:00
Speaker 1: in Molly's shoes, Zoe's behavior is then pushing her away
18:03
Speaker 1: and into the arms of Tommy. And I feel like
18:05
Speaker 1: Tommy is almost using that to his advantage. And Zoe's
18:09
Speaker 1: a bit of a scapegoat at the moment. It's like, oh,
18:11
Speaker 1: Zoe's the one that's keeping us apart and she's the
18:13
Speaker 1: baddie when she's not. Yeah, it definitely feels that way.
18:16
Speaker 1: And it was quite interesting because Zoe said to Molly,
18:19
Speaker 1: when things are good between you and Tommy, I don't
18:21
Speaker 1: hear from you at all, but when things are bad,
18:24
Speaker 1: you need me around. And there was a lot of
18:26
Speaker 1: frustration there. And I think that a lot of people
18:28
Speaker 1: have experienced that with friends or siblings before when you
18:32
Speaker 1: sort of get put on the back burner and when
18:34
Speaker 1: everything's going fine and dandy for them. And then suddenly
18:37
Speaker 1: they want you around when things have gone to shit.
18:39
Speaker 1: And you can see why Zoe is so invested because
18:41
Speaker 1: she's the one when Bambi was first born, when Tommy
18:44
Speaker 1: fucked off to a boxing camp that was there with
18:47
Speaker 1: Molly looking after this newborn baby for weeks. That was
18:50
Speaker 1: all very fascinating because on the documentary, they shared a
18:52
Speaker 1: couple of clips of Molly when she was first postpartum
18:55
Speaker 1: and sharing about how much she struggled with motherhood in
18:58
Speaker 1: those early days. And I forgot the fact that Tommy
19:01
Speaker 1: literally left the first week of Bambi's life to go
19:05
Speaker 1: on this camp. And Zoe actually moved into the house
19:08
Speaker 1: and was there full time with Molly.
19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:10
Speaker 1: It seems like she's really taken on the father figure,
19:12
Speaker 1: which we saw when they were organizing Bambi's birthday party.
19:16
Speaker 1: So I loved it. They had the theme of the
19:18
Speaker 1: tiger who comes to tea. It's actually one of Jack's
19:20
Speaker 1: favorite books. I was really excited to see all the decorations. Anyway,
19:23
Speaker 1: in the book, there's obviously a tiger who comes to tea.
19:25
Speaker 1: And Zoe's like, oh, is Tommy going to dress up
19:27
Speaker 1: as the tiger? Yeah. or should I buy the outfit?
19:31
Speaker 1: And then Molly was really awkward because you could tell
19:33
Speaker 1: she really wanted Tommy to come. Oh, she was desperate
19:36
Speaker 1: for him to be there. Betty was using it as
19:37
Speaker 1: an excuse like, oh, I haven't caught up with your
19:39
Speaker 1: family and Zoe doesn't like me. So then Zoe ended
19:42
Speaker 1: up dressing up as the tiger. And it's so heartbreaking
19:45
Speaker 1: because you can see that Bambi thinks it's Tommy. And
19:48
Speaker 1: then when she puts her head up and Zoe is revealed,
19:50
Speaker 1: Bambi's like, daddy, like she looks so disappointed. That was
19:53
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to watch because there was a scene when during
19:57
Speaker 1: the birthday party, Molly lost it and she had to
19:59
Speaker 1: remove herself from the party and go upstairs and cry.
20:03
Speaker 1: And I just felt like it was a bit of
20:05
Speaker 1: a cop-out from Tommy. It is so clear that there
20:07
Speaker 1: is more than just alcohol at play for this breakup.
20:11
Speaker 1: I mean, reading between the lines, it sounds like a
20:13
Speaker 1: lot of the rumours about his behaviour at nightclubs is
20:16
Speaker 1: true and maybe there was some cheating involved because why
20:19
Speaker 1: else would you not want to front up to see
20:21
Speaker 1: someone's family. He has clearly fucked up big time. I've
20:25
Speaker 1: also seen some speculation that people think that he may
20:28
Speaker 1: have ruined Zoe's wedding. Maybe he acted really terribly at that. Well,
20:32
Speaker 1: because he got very drunk at that, didn't he? Yeah.
20:34
Speaker 1: There was also a very tense scene in the kitchen
20:37
Speaker 1: when Molly was baking a cake for Bambi's birthday. So
20:40
Speaker 1: Zoe and their mum and grandma were all there. And
20:42
Speaker 1: she dropped this comment. It was pretty rogue about how oh,
20:46
Speaker 1: she'll have to have a second baby because Bambi loves
20:49
Speaker 1: kids so much. And you could just tell Zoe was like,
20:52
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like it went down like an absolute
20:54
Speaker 1: lead balloon. And she was like, hang on. But remember
20:56
Speaker 1: you said this was like, this isn't how it was
20:59
Speaker 1: going to be. Well, there's an interesting element to that though,
21:02
Speaker 1: because Tommy is part of a traveler family and it
21:06
Speaker 1: really seemed like he was the one pushing to have
21:09
Speaker 1: children very young. Whereas Molly said she would have been
21:12
Speaker 1: happy to have them when she was in her thirties.
21:14
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we forget that Molly and Tommy
21:16
Speaker 1: are only 25 and 26, which also probably explains some
21:20
Speaker 1: of the immature behavior that's going on. But it seems like,
21:23
Speaker 1: you know, when you feel like your friend or sibling
21:25
Speaker 1: has been infiltrated by their ex and they're clearly doing
21:27
Speaker 1: things to impress them, it's almost like Molly is bargaining
21:30
Speaker 1: with him being like, if we get back together, let's
21:33
Speaker 1: have more children that will solve the problem. Yeah. Well,
21:35
Speaker 1: it's bizarre that it seems like that she's the one
21:37
Speaker 1: bargaining with him because The whole reason she left Tommy
21:41
Speaker 1: was because she needed to be like, nah, I'm putting
21:43
Speaker 1: my foot down. Your behavior is not acceptable. But as
21:45
Speaker 1: you said, there does appear to be this back and
21:48
Speaker 1: forth where she never really stood up for herself. She's
21:51
Speaker 1: been having little sleepovers because in part one of the doco,
21:54
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, oh, we're not sure if
21:56
Speaker 1: we're going to get back together. But it was clear
21:59
Speaker 1: she desperately wanted him back. Yeah. I felt like she
22:01
Speaker 1: had a bit more hand in part one, but by
22:02
Speaker 1: part two, she's there ringing him on her shoot in
22:05
Speaker 1: Switzerland and she says, I love you. And then he
22:08
Speaker 1: hangs up and she has to ring him back to
22:09
Speaker 1: get confirmation that he also loves her too. That's the thing.
22:12
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a bit skipped over within that.
22:15
Speaker 1: I think the documentary makers knew that the hardcore Molly
22:18
Speaker 1: Mae fans would be across what she was sharing on
22:20
Speaker 1: her YouTube because she has been teasing that they've been
22:23
Speaker 1: having sleepovers and obviously their holiday that they've recently gone on.
22:27
Speaker 1: But if you were going in blind, you'd be like,
22:28
Speaker 1: hold on a second, I've missed something. Why are they
22:30
Speaker 1: suddenly back together? And There was a scene when she
22:33
Speaker 1: was speaking to a psychologist about how she's been coping
22:36
Speaker 1: with the breakup. And she said to the psychologist, oh, sorry,
22:40
Speaker 1: he keeps calling me, but I'm going to leave him
22:43
Speaker 1: waiting because he takes days to get back to me.
22:45
Speaker 1: And I thought that was very insightful because, as you say,
22:49
Speaker 1: he's the one that's fucked up. he should be chasing her,
22:53
Speaker 1: not the other way around. Yeah. It just seems like
22:55
Speaker 1: they never really cut ties properly, but it was all
22:58
Speaker 1: kind of for show to the media. Like I don't think,
23:00
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a PR stunt at all because
23:02
Speaker 1: I think that this is just bad PR for them
23:04
Speaker 1: because originally they were couple goals on Instagram and I've
23:07
Speaker 1: always wanted to see them get back together because I
23:09
Speaker 1: love them on Love Island and they seemed so perfect
23:12
Speaker 1: for each other. But this doco has really broken that illusion.
23:16
Speaker 1: And I think the Molly Mae fan in me, I
23:19
Speaker 1: just want Molly to be happy. And Yeah, it seems
23:21
Speaker 1: like maybe she'll be happy at the moment that they're
23:24
Speaker 1: back together and having a family together. And I do
23:27
Speaker 1: truly hope it works out for them. But I think
23:30
Speaker 1: the cynic in me and someone who's had, you know,
23:32
Speaker 1: I mean, a 36 now had a bit more life
23:35
Speaker 1: experience knows I think it's going to play out the
23:37
Speaker 1: way Zoe is saying it's not going to end well. Yeah,
23:40
Speaker 1: it seems like a bit of a bandaid over the situation.
23:43
Speaker 1: And in the final episode, she told the camera that
23:46
Speaker 1: she knows it's going to be rocky and there's going
23:47
Speaker 1: to be ups and downs. So she's almost predicting all
23:50
Speaker 1: of that. Going back to your point about people thinking
23:53
Speaker 1: that this is a publicity stunt, I totally agree. I
23:55
Speaker 1: don't think that this is a publicity stunt at all.
23:58
Speaker 1: I think she was using the media and people's reactions
24:02
Speaker 1: to punish Tommy. That was her way of saying, I'm
24:05
Speaker 1: not standing for this behavior anymore. Not so much punish him,
24:07
Speaker 1: but to say like, this is serious. Away from the
24:10
Speaker 1: relationship drama, I found it fascinating hearing Molly talk about
24:13
Speaker 1: her self-confidence. So She was backstage at this L'Oreal fashion
24:17
Speaker 1: parade in Paris and they were basically begging her to
24:20
Speaker 1: appear on the runway. And she was like, no, no, no,
24:22
Speaker 1: it's not for me. I just loved it how she's like,
24:25
Speaker 1: I've actually had a baby recently. And then she's like, actually,
24:28
Speaker 1: that's not true, Bambi's two. And she said she's going
24:30
Speaker 1: to be using that excuse until Bambi's 16 for not
24:32
Speaker 1: being in shape. It's sad because you can tell that
24:34
Speaker 1: she's not confident in herself at the moment. I feel
24:37
Speaker 1: like they kept using all of these shots of Kendall
24:40
Speaker 1: Jenner on the runway to drive home the pressures of
24:43
Speaker 1: body image issues. in the industry and how because I
24:47
Speaker 1: mean you look at Molly she's an absolutely stunning girl
24:50
Speaker 1: but then when you look at the types of bodies
24:52
Speaker 1: we are seeing on the catwalk you can size zero
24:55
Speaker 1: is definitely back I mean the ironic thing is the
24:59
Speaker 1: whole fashion show was supposed to be about promoting different
25:02
Speaker 1: body types and she said it's sad because she just
25:05
Speaker 1: doesn't feel confident or comfortable doing that. Yeah. It was
25:08
Speaker 1: so shocking also when they showed the photos of what
25:11
Speaker 1: Molly Mae used to look like right after being on
25:13
Speaker 1: Love Island with all the filler. She looked like a
25:16
Speaker 1: cartoon character. I couldn't get over it. I don't actually
25:18
Speaker 1: remember her looking like that. Yeah, there were some scenes
25:20
Speaker 1: from her vlogs and, I mean, I've been watching her
25:22
Speaker 1: vlogs ever since she left Love Island and I was like,
25:25
Speaker 1: did she really look like that? Like it was weird
25:26
Speaker 1: to see her with Tommy because she's had this amazing
25:29
Speaker 1: transformation and And she was really one of the first
25:31
Speaker 1: influencers to actually have her filler removed. I think she
25:35
Speaker 1: really sparked a trend. I mean, we saw a lot
25:37
Speaker 1: of influencers in Australia jumping on board, like Shani Grimman.
25:41
Speaker 1: I think Skye Wheatley also got hers. I mean, she
25:43
Speaker 1: had filler back in, but they were really dulling it
25:45
Speaker 1: down a bit. I think also the makeup was quite
25:48
Speaker 1: shocking for me because Molly May now has this very
25:52
Speaker 1: stripped back, clean girl look. I mean, I suppose it's
25:54
Speaker 1: also just the change in what is popular makeup wise,
25:57
Speaker 1: but It looked like she'd been shot in the face
25:59
Speaker 1: in some of those Love Island days. Again, she was
26:02
Speaker 1: only 21 and that was really the look of, I
26:06
Speaker 1: don't know, 2016, 2017. Every woman that was on YouTube
26:08
Speaker 1: felt like they had to be some sort of makeup
26:10
Speaker 1: artist and do the cut creases and the– over-the-top eyeshadow.
26:13
Speaker 1: I think one of the turning points for Molly was
26:16
Speaker 1: when she started to get trolled and be compared to Quagmire. Well,
26:20
Speaker 1: she didn't actually know who Quagmire was, and it was
26:22
Speaker 1: the producers who said, oh, have a Google and look
26:25
Speaker 1: at what he looks like. That was a great moment
26:26
Speaker 1: in the documentary. She's like, oh yeah, I can see that.
26:29
Speaker 1: She actually said that she could really see the Xbox controller.
26:32
Speaker 1: And it was at that point I'm like, wow, she's
26:34
Speaker 1: really removed from this whole situation. I wonder if it's
26:36
Speaker 1: because It's almost like looking at a different person because
26:39
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize her. I think it's because that image
26:41
Speaker 1: of herself seemed like it was from so long ago
26:43
Speaker 1: and she doesn't associate with that person anymore. It would
26:46
Speaker 1: be different if she couldn't reverse a lot of those procedures.
26:50
Speaker 1: It's lucky that they were just filler and Botox, which
26:53
Speaker 1: you can remove. Well, she actually ended up thanking Zoe
26:56
Speaker 1: and saying she was the one that told her the
26:57
Speaker 1: truth about, hey, you know, this doesn't actually look great.
27:00
Speaker 1: It looked a lot better before. Now, the same day
27:03
Speaker 1: the doco dropped, Tommy ended up winning his fight in
27:06
Speaker 1: his boxing return after an 18-month hiatus due to an injury,
27:10
Speaker 1: and he ended up dedicating the win to Molly May.
27:12
Speaker 1: This is what he said. I just want to say
27:15
Speaker 1: thank you for this victory to my Lord and Saviour
27:17
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Without him, none of this would be possible.
27:19
Speaker 1: I want to say hello to my beautiful baby girl
27:22
Speaker 1: Bambi at home, my sweetheart Molly. She'll always be mine forever.
27:26
Speaker 1: This brings me back to the era when Tommy had
27:29
Speaker 1: Molly and his soft toy elephant, Ellie Belly as an
27:34
Speaker 1: emblem on his boxing uniform. And I was like, oh,
27:36
Speaker 1: my God, this guy is totally whipped, but clearly not. Yeah,
27:39
Speaker 1: this is why I'm so torn about them getting back
27:41
Speaker 1: together because there was that really sweet side where they
27:43
Speaker 1: seemed to really get each other's sense of humour. He
27:46
Speaker 1: was really around the soft toy characters that she had. Also,
27:49
Speaker 1: he was loud and proud that he was with her. Well,
27:52
Speaker 1: it's going to be really interesting to see how it
27:54
Speaker 1: all plays out because Tommy's got his own BBC documentary
27:57
Speaker 1: coming out called Tommy the Good, the Bad, the Fury.
28:01
Speaker 1: And apparently we get to go behind the scenes as
28:03
Speaker 1: he gets his career back on track and also his life.
28:06
Speaker 1: And they have teased it's going to explore his love
28:08
Speaker 1: life with Molly Mae. That is one thing that surprised
28:11
Speaker 1: me about part two. I thought that Tommy might've popped
28:13
Speaker 1: up in maybe the last episode of this series and
28:17
Speaker 1: we might've seen them together. Clearly he was saving it
28:19
Speaker 1: for this documentary. I question how much reality we're going
28:22
Speaker 1: to get from Tommy's documentary because we heard Zoe's coming
28:26
Speaker 1: back at Molly, basically saying, you know, I was there
28:28
Speaker 1: for the nights when you couldn't sleep and you're phoning
28:31
Speaker 1: me up, inferring that those were times when Tommy was
28:34
Speaker 1: out and about and she didn't know who he was with.
28:36
Speaker 1: We're not going to be seeing that, are we? Well, no,
28:39
Speaker 1: because it is a post-breakup doco. I think we're going
28:42
Speaker 1: to hear a lot about his problems with alcohol, but
28:45
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to hear about how they
28:48
Speaker 1: caused other issues. They're going to try and give him
28:51
Speaker 1: a redemption arc where we see him really work through
28:53
Speaker 1: his mental health and become this guy that Molly has
28:57
Speaker 1: always dreamt that he'll be. But I don't know if
29:00
Speaker 1: everyone will buy it. No, well, that doco is coming
29:03
Speaker 1: out later this year. And I think we'll need another
29:04
Speaker 1: girls night to dissect it all and enjoy it. Yeah,
29:07
Speaker 1: we had everyone over to my house on Friday night
29:10
Speaker 1: as soon as the Molly May documentary dropped. It was
29:13
Speaker 1: so much fun. I just wish there were more episodes.
29:15
Speaker 1: I know everyone is saying, oh, this isn't really a documentary.
29:17
Speaker 1: It's a reality show. And as a reality show fan,
29:20
Speaker 1: I loved every second of it. I don't care if
29:22
Speaker 1: it was fickle or if there wasn't much to it.
29:25
Speaker 1: One thing we haven't spoken about, I know you do
29:27
Speaker 1: want to go, Kate, but is the horse riding scene. Oh,
29:30
Speaker 1: I was really shaken by that. I was like, God,
29:33
Speaker 1: that could have ended really badly. For some reason, I
29:36
Speaker 1: don't know if you felt this too, Molly seemed to
29:38
Speaker 1: have Princess Diana vibes throughout this documentary. One, because the
29:41
Speaker 1: paparazzi kept following her everywhere. They followed her to her
29:45
Speaker 1: horse riding lessons. And I have to say that I
29:48
Speaker 1: felt like they were to blame for the reaction of
29:50
Speaker 1: the horse. Oh, definitely. Because they were snapping photos of
29:53
Speaker 1: her on this horse. And this looked like a thoroughbred.
29:55
Speaker 1: It didn't look like just some, you know, pony that
29:57
Speaker 1: you'd practice on. This horse went nuts and she fell
30:01
Speaker 1: off and looked like she whacked into... Yeah, well, she
30:03
Speaker 1: was thrown off, really. Yeah, I was shocked she was
30:06
Speaker 1: okay after that incident. And she got back up on
30:08
Speaker 1: the horse as well. Yeah, as the saying goes. But yeah,
30:11
Speaker 1: the paparazzi really seem to be to blame for that.
30:13
Speaker 1: And they seem to be absolutely hounding her in a
30:15
Speaker 1: similar way that they hounded Princess Diana. I also think
30:18
Speaker 1: I got Princess Diana vibes because of the photo shoot
30:20
Speaker 1: she did in Switzerland when she was on the ski slopes.
30:22
Speaker 1: And that's again... where Princess Diana was hounded. Also, I
30:26
Speaker 1: think because at the time of Molly and Tommy's breakup
30:28
Speaker 1: back in August, the media compared their breakup to Princess
30:32
Speaker 1: Diana and Prince Charles, which some are questioning and saying
30:34
Speaker 1: that that's just ridiculous. Sophie, I'm going to wrap you
30:37
Speaker 1: up because I feel like you could talk about this
30:38
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