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Nancy Kerrigan - Olympic Athlete Assault · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: A competitive spirit is part of what drives professional athletes.
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  Speaker 1: They strive not only to be better than their competitors,
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  Speaker 1: but better than the athlete that they once were. However,
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  Speaker 1: there are some out there who will do whatever it
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  Speaker 1: takes to win, no matter the cost. This is the
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  Speaker 1: story of figure skating legend Nancy Kerrigan. She was assaulted
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  Speaker 1: for her skills in the figure skating world. The attack
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  Speaker 1: on her was meant to take her out of the
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  Speaker 1: competition for good and raise someone else to the top instead.
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  Speaker 1: This is her story.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Kerrigan, which is a very heavily researched one. Took
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  Speaker 1: if you don't know this, it is a wild sports story.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that. But first we
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I've always sort of had.
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  Speaker 3: Forget it like just gone.
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  Speaker 1: In one ear out the other. Yeah, no, I feel
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  Speaker 1: you there. I'm the same way, one hundred percent. I
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  Speaker 1: usually retain the useless information, the useless stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what's Barbie's full name?
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  Speaker 1: Barbara Melinis Roberts.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've known that since I was like twelve.
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  Speaker 1: I just was like scruising the internet looking up weird facts.
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  Speaker 1: Learned that, and it's stuck with me since.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime you say anything in regards to you rechain useless information.
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  Speaker 2: I ask you that same question.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, you do. Anyways, you guys didn't come here to
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  Speaker 1: learn more about Barbie, you look, came here to listen
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  Speaker 1: to the story of Nancy Carrigan. So should we dive
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  Speaker 1: into it?
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna dive in. We're going to do our
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  Speaker 1: best attempt at a proverbial triple axel and tell you
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  Speaker 1: this story.
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  Speaker 2: Wow that I liked that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just pulled that off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: Really, okay, I thought that was in your script.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely not. No, okay. So Nancy was born in the
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  Speaker 1: quaint town of Stoneham, Massachusetts. She emerged as a figure
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  Speaker 1: skating sensation from her beginnings. Now, she was the youngest
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  Speaker 1: of her siblings and was the sole daughter of Daniel
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  Speaker 1: and Brenda Kerrigan. Nancy's journey to the ice ring began
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  Speaker 1: when quite young. Now. Her family had deeply rooted roots,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, in a blue collar, kind of valued
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  Speaker 1: town family sort of thing. Just your standard good valued
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  Speaker 1: type people. They were a mix of English, Irish and
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  Speaker 1: a German heritage. So while her brothers pursued hockey, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: though still donning the skates, instead found her passion, gliding
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  Speaker 1: gracefully on the ice at the age of only six
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  Speaker 1: years old.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Despite limited resources, her father, Daniel, epitomized sacrifice. He was
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  Speaker 1: often juggling multiple jobs to support Nancy's skating endeavors and
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  Speaker 1: of course her brother's hockey as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah those are not cheap sports.
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  Speaker 1: No, especially hockey. Yeah. Yeah. He even volunteered as a
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  Speaker 1: zamboni driver for Nancy's skating lessons at the local rink.
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, I love this. I love this family.
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  Speaker 1: They're just like a close knit, blue collar, good valued family,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, right, And they're they're tight, They're they're
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  Speaker 1: doing what they need to do, especially for their kids.
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  Speaker 1: So props to them. Now, under the guidance of her
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  Speaker 1: first coach, Teresa Martin, Nancy's talent began to blossom. However,
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  Speaker 1: it was her transition to working with the renowned duo
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  Speaker 1: Heavy and Mary Scott Fold that marked her big turning
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  Speaker 1: point in her career. Okay, so once she kind of
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  Speaker 1: joined this duo as her coach, that's when she really
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  Speaker 1: began to propel herself in the kind of competitive world.
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  Speaker 1: So throughout her competitive journey, the Scott Folds remained pillars
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  Speaker 1: of support, helping nurture her figure skating potential and just
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  Speaker 1: really honing those skills. So I think they saw something
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  Speaker 1: in her and they really helped her develop it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds a good coaches.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. Now Nancy moved to a national competitive prominence,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a gradual move. Soon her prowess as
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  Speaker 1: a jumper would distinguish her from her competitors. So as
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  Speaker 1: she's kind of going to this national level, she began
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  Speaker 1: to get this ability to jump higher and better than
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  Speaker 1: the competitor she was with.
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  Speaker 2: Then, I mean props to anyone that is good at
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  Speaker 2: figure skating. I can't skate to save my.
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  Speaker 1: I can skate really good, but I cannot stop, which
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  Speaker 1: means I can't do much else other than go. That's
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually super dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah it is, I know now. Her senior debut
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  Speaker 1: signaled the beginning of a steady climb up in the
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  Speaker 1: national rankings, culminizing in a bronze medal in the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty nine Winter Universite. Nancy's raise towards greatness continued. Its
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  Speaker 1: upward trend continued further and further as she clinched third
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  Speaker 1: place in the nineteen ninety one US Figure Skating Championship.
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  Speaker 1: So the country she clinched that third place prize, look
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  Speaker 1: at her go. This achievement granted her entry into the
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  Speaker 1: highly coveted nineteen ninety one World Figure Skating Championships, where
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  Speaker 1: she secured the bronze medal.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is super impressive.
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  Speaker 1: No kidding. So notably, her win contributed to a historic milestone,
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  Speaker 1: as a United States actually claimed a clean sweep of
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  Speaker 1: the women's podium at the World's champion for the first
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  Speaker 1: time ever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I bet they were proud of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so her and her teammates were all standing side
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  Speaker 1: by side on that podium.
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  Speaker 2: Very cool.
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  Speaker 1: The nineteen ninety two season saw Nancy's remarkable consistency and
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  Speaker 1: improvement as she once again surpassed her previous year's performance
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  Speaker 1: at the national Championships, securing the runner up position. Her
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  Speaker 1: stellar form extended onto the international stage, where she claimed
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  Speaker 1: bronze medal in the nineteen ninety two Winter Olympics and
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  Speaker 1: followed it up with a silver at the ninety two
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  Speaker 1: World Championships. So she's just getting better and better and better.
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  Speaker 2: She means business.
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  Speaker 1: The nineteen ninety three season marked a significant milestone in
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's career as she ascended to the top, claiming the
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  Speaker 1: title of United States Champion. Despite encouraging the inevitable highs
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  Speaker 1: and lows inherited with competitive sports, Nancy's unwavering determination and
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  Speaker 1: commitment to her craft continued to push her forward. Alongside
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  Speaker 1: her athletic pursuits, she delved into the realm of sponsorships,
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  Speaker 1: navigating the complexities and endorsement deals and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right still, though she pushed on and kept going through
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  Speaker 1: her journey, Nancy remained a force to be wrecking with
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  Speaker 1: in the figure skating world, which brings us to nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say too, to be to have
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  Speaker 2: those kind of awards. I guess you could call them like,
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  Speaker 2: you've to have pretty big dedication to it. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean she would be eat, sleeping, and breathing. Oh, definitely skating.
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  Speaker 2: I think the word you're looking for is accolades.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, to have that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yet recognition, you know, like all that, Like she was
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  Speaker 2: the best in the state in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: She's she's top tier.
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  Speaker 3: Ye.
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  Speaker 1: To be top tier like that, you have to work
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  Speaker 1: for it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, she certainly was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to put a lot of energy and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time into that, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Now it was on January sixth, though, in nineteen ninety four,
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  Speaker 1: let's get back to this here, that Nancy Carigan was
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  Speaker 1: hard at work on the ice preparing for the US
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  Speaker 1: Figure Skating Championships, which is being held in Detroit, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: It was no secret that Nancy was good with a
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  Speaker 1: competitive history. She was a top contender to win the competition.
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  Speaker 1: Each skater was doing their thing, warming up on the ice,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting their practice routines in, but of course
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  Speaker 1: also eyeing up the competition. Nancy had just finished up
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  Speaker 1: one of her practice sessions at the Cabo Arena, and
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  Speaker 1: was leaving the ice rink when she was assaulted the
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  Speaker 1: moment she stepped off the ice. It was even captured
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  Speaker 1: on camera by a film crew who was working with
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  Speaker 1: the competition. They followed Nancy when she stepped off the
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  Speaker 1: ice and until the moment she went behind a draping
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  Speaker 1: blue curtain over the rink exit towards the changing rooms.
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  Speaker 1: As Nancy walked away and heading down the hallway from
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  Speaker 1: the ice rink, the camera turned off. She was approached
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  Speaker 1: in that moment in the hallway by a man. In
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  Speaker 1: that instant, Nancy was attacked and a metal baton and
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  Speaker 1: struck her right above the right knee, the same leg
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  Speaker 1: Nancy used to land her signature jumping moves that she
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  Speaker 1: was so well known for. Nancy began screaming in pain
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  Speaker 1: as the man fled. Within seconds, people were swarming around
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  Speaker 1: Nancy and the camera was turned back onto her. She cried,
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  Speaker 1: asking repeatedly, why, why, why, just why was she attacked?
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  Speaker 1: It was immediately clear this was a targeted assault, one
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  Speaker 1: that was meant to take Nancy out of the competition.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, hey I remember when this went down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that so much of it was documented.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there, I don't remember that part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a camera crew following her right there,
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  Speaker 1: and the second that camera turned away, the assault happened.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It would have been the last thing
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  Speaker 2: that she would have ever expected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you're at a rink practicing, there's people,
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  Speaker 1: this is broad daylight.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean like ice rinks too, are probably
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  Speaker 2: sort of feel like her safe place, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: her second home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh bu probably her first home really, because she's
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  Speaker 1: spending so much time then.
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  Speaker 2: Actually probably yeah, whoa, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine now. The aftermath of the attack unfolded
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  Speaker 1: as captured by as I mentioned a camera that was
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  Speaker 1: broadcast globally, with Nancy screaming in pain and being carried
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  Speaker 1: away by her father, Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my, oh, her dad was there too.
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  Speaker 1: Her dad was there and carried her away. The injury
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  Speaker 1: forced her to withdraw from the US Championships, but her
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  Speaker 1: fellow skaters rallied behind her, unanimously agreeing that she deserved
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  Speaker 1: a spot on the Olympic team. So she wasn't able.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't make the qualifyings because like she was injured,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but they still decided you know, she deserves
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  Speaker 1: a spot to be on the Olympic team even though
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  Speaker 1: she didn't make the qualifyings.
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  Speaker 2: Because she would have had to go in that channelampionship
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  Speaker 2: in place correct to go correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were recognizing your talent determination at the USFSA,
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  Speaker 1: which is the United States Figure Skating Association, and they
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  Speaker 1: made it the decision to include her in the Olympic roster.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, how oppressive.
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  Speaker 1: So they held a spot for her regardless of her injury,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of her not placing right on.
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  Speaker 2: That seems a little bit surprising. Yeah, so good though.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, still she's injured. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: uncertainty looming over not only the question if she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to make the Olympics, but if she's
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  Speaker 1: ever even going to be able to skate again.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. So they're being pretty optimistic.
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  Speaker 1: They are. They're like, if you can make it, there's
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  Speaker 1: a spot for you. But still can't, like, can you
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  Speaker 1: even skate? Who knows? Now? Fortunately, medical assessment revealed that
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  Speaker 1: her leg miraculously remained unbroken. Instead, she sustained only severe
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  Speaker 1: bruising to the impacted area. So she was struck right
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  Speaker 1: above the right knee on her thigh with a metal baton,
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  Speaker 1: and it did not break her leg. She only was bruised.
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  Speaker 1: And because of this like nature of her injury, Nancy
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  Speaker 1: was thankfully able to make a swift recovery and she
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  Speaker 1: right away plunged back into her rigorous training.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, that almost seems like a miracle, right because
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  Speaker 2: I don't that. I mean, I get I guess if
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  Speaker 2: the hit wasn't that hard, But you think that that
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  Speaker 2: would break something.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a good chance of it. Yeah, slim chance.
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  Speaker 1: You're not walking away without a severe permanent injury.
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  Speaker 2: You have to wonder if they almost meant to hit
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  Speaker 2: the knee, because I feel like if you did that
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  Speaker 2: to the knee, for sure, you'd be able to.
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  Speaker 1: Watch shattering something. If you did it right on the kneecapah,
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  Speaker 1: you would be shattering that knee cap no problem.
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  Speaker 2: You almost wonder if it wasn't in a way a
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  Speaker 2: miracle and the attacker missed where they were supposed.
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  Speaker 1: To maybe Guardless, So the investigation on the attack on
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Kerrigan was unfolding. It drew upon a few different resources,
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  Speaker 1: the initial focus centering on the gathering crucial evidence from
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  Speaker 1: security footage from the cobble arena, which was the side
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  Speaker 1: of the attack. Now, the footage captured the assailants hasty
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  Speaker 1: fleeing from the scene. So I think I said that
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  Speaker 1: kind of weird, hastily there we go fleeing from the scene,
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  Speaker 1: which was of course a pivotal piece of evidence for investigators. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this in tandem with the footage, eyewitness testimonies also were
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  Speaker 1: able to kind of start describing this individual. So like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we've now got camera footage, we have eyewitness statements kind
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  Speaker 1: of talking about this individual, what he looked like, who
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  Speaker 1: he might have been, what he was doing, all those
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  Speaker 1: sort of things. Their account provided valuable descriptions in the
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  Speaker 1: attacker and critical insight into the nature of the incident. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of tips and information flooded in from various sources,
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  Speaker 1: shedding light on potential leads and avenues of inquiry. Among
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  Speaker 1: the leads that emerged, a finger began getting pointed towards
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  Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Tanya Harding. Now, Tanya
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  Speaker 1: Harding was a figure skating prodigy hailing from Portland, Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Raised by her mother, she embarked on her journey in
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  Speaker 1: the sport at the age of only three years old
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  Speaker 1: when she enrolled in her first ice skating lesson. From there,
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  Speaker 1: Tanya's dedication and talent propelled her through the ranks, leading
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: her to make significant sacrifices, including dropping out of high
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: school to fully commit to the passion of ice skating.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: WHOA that seems I don't know. I don't KNOWSSI that's
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: too far. I think I get it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I difficult to speak on that as a parent. I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: not sure if I mean. I'm not a parent, so
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I can't say. But if I were in those shoes,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I could allow my child to
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: drop out of high school to do that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But at the.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Same sense, it's like they are so promising for this,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a very difficult situation. Education is important, though, if.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: It's going to get them closer to achieving their dreams,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: It's a tough it's a tough situation now.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Herricent, though in the US Figure Skating champions Championships, was
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty six and nineteen eighty nine, which marked
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the beginning of her rise. She won the nineteen eighty
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: nine Skate American Competition and in nineteen ninety one, she
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: clinched the US Championship title and secured silver medal at
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the World Championships. Notably, Tanya even became the first American
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: woman and only the second woman worldwide after Midori Ito,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to successfully execute a triple axle in competition. However, Tanya
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was a clear direct competitor when it came to Nancy
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: care again, which now that she was a suspect, only
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: fueled speculation into the attack on Nancy was a targeted effort,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: specifically put out to eliminate her from the competition, to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: make it a clear path for her to win easier.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: That became the prominent.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Question, do you even have to think that way? Is
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: kind of disgusting?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Oh? I know, but I mean the evidence is there, well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: not necessarily evidence per se yet to say, but that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: kind of what it's looking like. That's what people are
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: starting to whisper and talk about.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it makes sense.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So Tanya found herself at the center of scrutiny with
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: all this finger pointing, with suspicions mounting about her involvement,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and on January eighteenth of nineteen ninety four, Tanya Harding
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: found herself in a hot seat when she faced questioning
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: from the district Attorney in FBI, accompanied by her legal counsel.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: The interrogation stretched over the length of ten grueling hours,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: delling into intricate details of the case in a pivotal
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: moment during the marathon of the interview. As interrogation progress,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Tanya's story took a dramatic turn. At this point, of course,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: she's maintaining her innocence and denying any sort of involvement.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: The tide shifted when she confronted was con fronted by
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: an FBI agent who accused her of lying. In a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: startling revelation captured by an FBI transcript, Tanya conceded, admitting
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: her knowledge that her husband or ex husband, Jeff Gillulei,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and his involvement in expressing the remorse for her actions. So,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to quote her quote, I hope everyone understands I'm telling
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: on someone I really care about. I know now Jeff
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is involved.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, okay.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And so she just decided to drop that bomb after
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: ten hours.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Correct, So she dropped the bomb that she knows her
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: husband was involved. So now what's kind of coming out
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of this is that she knew after the fact of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the attack, that her husband had something to do with it,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and it would be on January nineteenth that Jeff would
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: surrender to the FBI. In the midst of the amounting scrutiny,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Tanya faced immense media media coverage, sorry including a probing
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: interview with Diane Sawyer on Prime Time, where she continued
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to maintain her innocence. However, as the investigation deepened, Jeff's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: testimony began to implicate Tawnya, raising suspicions about her alleged
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: involvement in the attack plot.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like it would more so be her idea,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and she's just completely throwing her husband or whatever under
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the bus ex husband. So why would an ex husband
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: give a shit? You know, Like I feel like.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, technically their ex husband, but they're like kind of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: still husband white. She looks at them still as like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: her husband. They still have a relationship, but they're technically divorced.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's a weird thing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you want your suppouse to succeed, right, but like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: would you have come up with this idea on your own?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Who knows?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I have trouble believing that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Well, lucky enough, I did the research and we're going
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to talk all about that, but we're gonna we're gonna
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: keep on track here, so I'm not going to divulge
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: everything right away. We're going to keep going through the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: story linear in a linear fashion. So, in an attempt
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to mitigate the damage on her own reputation, Tanya held
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it press conference to issue a prepared statement expressing her
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: regret for the attack on Nancy, emphasizing her respect for
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: her fellow skater, and stated that she had no foreknowledge
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: of the of the plot to attack her, but admitted
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to her failure to report crucial information promptly. In this statement,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: she cited legal nuances, emphasizing that withholding criminal knowledge alone
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: does not constitute a crime under many state laws. So
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: she's like, technically, I didn't do anything illegal by not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: coming forward right away, even though I knew who did
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it after she was attacked, but I didn't know beforehand.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's not a crime.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: In many state laws. That's what she said. I'm sure
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in some states it was. Maybe it is more and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: more so now, but at the time it was not
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: necessarily in many states. A lot of people, though, didn't
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: believe Tanya. They're like, okay, sure, she says this but
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is that true. But regardless of all the controversy, as
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: one must say, the show must go on real.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean she's really covering her bases here.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, regardless of what was occurring, investigation and everything,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: skating continued. The Ladies single skating event of the nineteen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: ninety four Winter Olympics held at the Harmer Olympic Amphitheater
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in Norway, and it came seven weeks after the attack.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Despite the challenges and the distractions, Nancy skated what she
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: deemed to be the pinnacle of her career, delivering flawless
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: performances in both a short program and free skate, again
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: seven weeks after she was attacked. Badass of the day.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: No kidding, that's freaking incredible.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So she had her leg bashed in with a metal
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: baton and just skated the best performance ever at the Olympics.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because she would have to heal from that,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: which would also make it so that she didn't have
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: quite as much practice in right, Yep, So it's quite incredible.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Oh they're telling me, Wow, I.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Almost want to, like, I probably watched that. I don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: really remember. We were pretty young then, but i'd like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to go back and watch that.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We should we should so, her remarkable displays in the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: ice earned her the silver metal. However, the event was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: not without controversy. Tanya Harding encountered difficulties with her equipment,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: specifically the laces on her skate, and was granted a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: reskate by the judges. However, regardless, Tanya finished in eighth place. Now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: despite everything that's going on, Nancy emerged from the short
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: program competition so the short skate competition in first place,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: hoping that she'd clinch the gold, but the coveted gold
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: slipped from her grasp of another competitor from Ukraine named
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Okasana Bail seized victory and closed the contested and controversial
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: five to four decision during the free skate, so Nancy
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: made away with silver.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Now, despite the bitter disappointment from falling short of the gold,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her silver medal triumphs serves quite as a testament to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: her resilience, obviously, but with the Olympics now being complete,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the investigation ultimately led to the identification of several individuals
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: involved in the planning. Because as the Olympics were being
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: carried on, so was the investigation. And they found out
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a lot more information. So the individuals who planned it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and carried out the attack were including Tanya Hardings x's husband,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Jeff Gilulei, her bodyguard Sean Eckhardt, and other associates Derek
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Smith and Shane stant So. On January thirteenth, Sean and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Derek were arrested, and the following day, on January fourteenth,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the United States Figure Skating Association made a public statement
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: on whether the arrest affected Tanya Harding's Olympic placement. They
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: said this about it quote. We will deal only with
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the facts. So Jeff, Tanya Harding's former husband, provided crucial
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: testimony to the FBI regarding the attack ploy plot Sorry
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: on January twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four, divulging a detailed
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: account of the events leading up to the infamous now
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: infamous incident. So according to Jeff, this is all in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: his testimony on how this played out. The plan was
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: made in early December of nineteen ninety three, following Tanya's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: disappointment at the nineteen ninety three NHK Trophy competition. She
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was upset over her placement in the competition and reached
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: out to Jeff, who emphasized with her frustration. Subsequently, Jeff
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: confided in his friend Sean Eckhart about the intricacies of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: figure skating and the politics and everything right. Sean mentioned
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the idea in this conversation kind of a passing mention,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: what if we just threaten her competition? Like, what if
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: we threaten Nancy Carigan, you know, her main competitor, in
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: order hopefully get her to be too fearful of her
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: own safety to compete, which would lead Tanya to free
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to compete and win. Jeff liked the idea the thought,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: but the psychological impact on someone threatening skaters could actually
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: have an impact on Tanya's performance as well. So, despite
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the initial reservations, Jeff mentioned it to Tanya so like potentially, like, hey,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: what if we did this? Would that affect you? Would
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: you be okay with it? What do you think?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: She liked the idea, My gosh, man, this is a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: conversation that shouldn't be happening. No.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: However, she expressed doubts that Sean would have the ability
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to execute the threats. In collaboration with his uncle Derek Smith,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Sean proposed a plan to instead actually injure Nancy while
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: meeting with Jeff and Tanya discussed details on the plan. However,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: negotiations hit a snag when Derek quoted the price of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: four five hundred dollars to execute it. Later after the meeting,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Jeff attempted to cancel the deal, but was informed by
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Sean that Derek was already en route to Portland to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: execute the plan. He also needed further information about Nancy's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: whereabouts Now. Instead of insisting to cancel the plans like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: he originally said he wanted to, they moved forward with it,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and on December twenty seventh, Tanya reached out to her
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: friend Vera Morano, a figure skating writer based in Pennsylvania,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: under the pretext of a quote bet she and Jeff
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: supposedly had regarding Nancy Nancy's training whereabouts. So she's all like, hey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, where does Nancy train? You know, I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: got a bet with my husband and where that is?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, that does not That's so obvious.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, No. Vera contacted the United States Figure Skating
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Association to obtain the name of her training rink, leaving
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a message on Jeff's on Tanya's answering machine about it now.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Despite this message, reportedly, it was difficult to discern and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: understand what she said, so Tanya called her again, requesting
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: her to correctly spell the name of the arena while
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Jeff wrote it down, which was the Tony Kent Arena.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So during her testimony on January twenty second in nineteen
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: ninety four, Vera Morano reiterated Tanya's question and the quote
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: bat concerning Nancy Kerrigan and disclosed that Tanya had also
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: sought information about Nancy's potential property owned in Cape Cod
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So she's not only asking where she practices, but where
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: she lives now. In Tanya's two thousand and eight authorized
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: biography quote The Tanya Tapes, which was based on records
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: recorded interviews, Tanya denied ever soliciting information from Via regarding
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Nancy's training rink. She even suggested that Vera may have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: misremembered details and was quote was a little bit out there.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Someone wouldn't just make that up, though I know.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: She also said, quote, I really didn't do anything wrong
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: except ask questions to win a bet. It's just that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: this sounds bad. I think the bet was for a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: quarter or something like that. Big deal. So first she's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: saying that there was no bet, and then she's saying
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that there is a bet.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what the fuck?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean? Her ex husband could have potentially did this
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: bet and she still might not have known he was
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: just making up this bet.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But there's potential there.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yet I'm playing like mega to him's advocate.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Here, Well, just say that is the fact. Remember that piece, Okay,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that her husband made up this bet for that piece
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to get that piece of information. Okay, if we can remember,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: we'll come back to that at the end of the podcast.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: There's a piece of information that we could.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Attach to that, Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. So on December twenty seventh, Derek and his nephew
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Shane stant arrived in Portland and made their way to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Shawn's house, where they requested a meeting with Jeff for
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the following day. The next day, December twenty eighth, after
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Tanya completed her training at ten thirty am, Jeff drove
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: them to Shawn's home for the scheduled meeting. During the meeting,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Jeff was introduced to Derek Smith and Shane stant Seawan
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: proposed various violent methods of incapacitating Nancy, including cutting her
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: achilles tendon or running her off the road in an accident,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a car accident, gosh. But Jeff went for a less
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: severe approach, focusing solely on disabling Nancy's right leg, her
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: landing leg. This decision allegedly was corroborated with Tanya's with
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Tanya beforehand allegedly. Remember this is still all Jeff's testimony.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: This is just so fucked because at some point, like
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I get maybe one or two conversations, I mean, it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: so wrong. But at one point you think you'd be like, Okay,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: this is just like two fuck, like we can't do this.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: This is there's one thing with being like, oh I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: wish I could just take out my competition yeah haha,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like a passing comment, yeah, in her circle.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Which is still not great, but yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: But and then it's like, okay, this is becoming a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: recurring theme. This is a little too real, Like no,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: this isn't actually happening, is it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Like traveling somewhere and all the logistics like this is
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: too far.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, following this initial meeting, Jeff outlined additional requirements
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: for the execution off the plan, including acquiring another photo
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of Nancy and her skating schedule. So whoever's attacking her
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: could know what she looks like and where she will be.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Recognizing Tanya's familiarity with ice skating terminology, Jeff delegated the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: task to her, prompting her to contact Tony Kent Arena
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to obtain her quote patch and freestyle times and the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: arena's address. Additionally, they obtained two photos of Nancy from
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the World Team handbook and Olympian magazine, with Tanya instructing
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Jeff to make sure that they moved the magazine's mailing
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: label to conceal their home address. That evening, Jeff and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Tanya visited Shawn's residence with the photos, practice times, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: two thousand, seven hundred dollars in cash. As January nineteen
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: ninety four approach, Jeff and Tanya began growing increasingly frustrated
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: by the so far failure of the plant because it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is yet to be executed. Determined to salvage the scheme,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Tanya arranged a late night skate session on January first,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, with Jeff proposing an increased payment if
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Nancy could still be incapacitated before the national competition because
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it's coming up. As a result, the attack finally went
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: underway at Cobble Arena in Detroit five days later on
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: January sixth, nineteen ninety four. So we're finally at the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: actual like, she's skating at the arena, just like we
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: started at this she's skating doing a thing, stepping off
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the ice, and we're going to talk about exactly how
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the attack went down. So Shane Eckart, in a twenty
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: eighteen interview, provided chilling details on how he executed the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: assault on Nancy Kerrigan. He described how he positioned himself
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: approximately quote a foot and a half behind the camera crew,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: patiently waiting for them to cease filming before making his move.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Of course, so as Nancy passed through the curtains, unaware
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of the imminent danger, the camera turned away and he
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: made his move.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And that was the moment, the time.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That was the time. The second the camera turned away,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: he passed by them, followed through that blue curtain down
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the hallway, caught up to her, and yeah, so he
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: approached her from behind with his telescopic biton and used
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it to strike the lower right thigh before swiftly fleeing
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the scene. To facilitate his escape, Sean smashed through a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: locked glass door to exit the arena. Outside, Derek Smith
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: awaited in a car ready to act as the getaway driver,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: which enabled him to evade capture from the fleet or
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: capture from the scene immediately after. So Shane, Sean, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Derek all corroborate much of this testimony. Of course, there's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit of varying accounts, some points of view
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: in between, but the consensus between them all was Tanya
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was involved, and she knew about the plan before it occurred.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it sure kind of seems like it. I mean,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: none of that. It makes sense that she would be involved.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: This story makes sense that there's no way I don't
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: think that she wouldn't have been.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Well, put it this way, I'm pretty sure she probably
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: would have been at least somewhere in the vicinity of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: this training center, and I'm pretty sure she would have
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: recognized Sean, Hey, Sean, what are you doing here? Or Derek,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we're out here in the parking lot. What are you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: doing here? You know, so just saying yeah. So on
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: February first, nineteen ninety four, Jeff's attorney managed a plea
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: deal where Jeff agreed to provide testimony implicating all parties
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: involved in the attack, so hence the testimony we just heard, right. Subsequently,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in July, Jeff received received a two year prison sentence
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: after publicly expressing remorse to Nancy Kerrigan, although he did
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: admit that his apology would be very empty and didn't
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: hold any fucking weight to it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Oh God, right now.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Additionally, Jeff and Sean pleaded guilty to racketeering charges, while
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Shane stant and Derek Smith pleaded guilty to conspiracy to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: commit second degree assault. On March sixteenth, nineteen ninety four,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this is the moment you're waiting for. Tanya Harding pleaded
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: guilty to conspiracy to hinder prosecution, which is a Class
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: C felony, accompanied by her lawyer, Robert Weaver. Tanya also
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: entered a plea agreement to ensure she would not face
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: further secution. In return, she should provide testimony for her
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: knowledge after the fact.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: So she's played guilty though she.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Pled guilty to hindering prosecution conspiracy to hinder.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Prosecution, Okay, so basically the fact.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: With holding information after the fact, kay, And now she's
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: entering a plea agreement where she provides information after the fact.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Everything is after the fact here.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Now, as part of her sentencing, where she did plead
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: guilty to conspiracy, Tanya received three year probation, a one
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars fine, and was mandated to perform a
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: five hundred hours of community service. She also agreed to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: reimburse Molnut County ten thousand dollars in legal fees, undergo
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: way psychiatric evaluation, and contribute fifty thousand dollars to the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Special Special Olympics Oregon charity. Had she not agreed to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the plea deal, Oregon sentencing guidelines stipulated a maximum penalty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: of five years imprisonment.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well, yeah, I feel like she got off
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: pretty easy there.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she had to pay some hefty fines,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: but yeah, she served like no time five hundred hours. Yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and i mean with her sponsorship deals and stuff, I'm
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that's.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Like pennies were possibly yep.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Now. Furthermore, tanya plea bargain resulted in her resignation from
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the US Figure Skating Association, necessitating a withdrawal from the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four World Championships, for which she was scheduled
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to depart on March seventeenth.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: See, that's the biggest of punishment. She has to let
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: go of her dream.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So to sum up everything here for you, because
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I know, things kind of got a bit confusing. It's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: quite a messy story, especially with all the names back
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and forth and he said, she SAIDs and all that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. To break it down for you. The
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: assault on Nancy Kerrigan was orchestrated by Jeff Gilluli, the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: ex husband of Tanya Harding, along with his accomplice Shawn Eckert.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: They enlisted the service of Shane stant and his uncle
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Derek Smith to execute the attack. Both Jeff and Sewn
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: alleged Tanya's involvement in the planning and premeditation of the assault. Initially,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Tanya denied any association with the attack, but eventually she
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: entered the plea agreement conceding her involvement to concealing the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: attack after it occurred. Makes sense, Okay, there is a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: bit of a follow up to this though, Okay, what
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is it? On March twenty first, nineteen ninety four, so
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it's only a few months later, the Portland Grand Jury
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: issued a statement that shook the skating world. The culmination
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: of over two months of relentless inquiry and testimony for
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the likes of Diane Rawlingson, which was Tanya's choreographer, Erica Bracus,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: who was a freelance figure skating writer, Verremano, and Shawn
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Eckert Sorry, Sir Shawn Eckert's college instructor in class my bad.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: The indictment accused Tanya to fraudulently use United States figure
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: skating monies to pay for the attack. It also said
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that Tanya, Jeff, Sean, Derek, and Shane quote knowingly caused
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: physical injury by means of a dangerous weapon. The grand
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: jury claimed evidence that showed Tanya Harding was quote involved
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning or very close. However, due to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: her previous plea deal, she could no longer be charged.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I knew that was going to come back to haunt us.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I know it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: That's fucked. I think new evidence should consult a new trial.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, for sure, there is.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: A silver lining here. So she withdrew from the one
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: competition right On June twenty ninth, the United States Figure
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Skating Association Disciplinary Panel met over the course of nine
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: hours within the span of two days, evaluating her role
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on the attack on Nancy Kerrigan On June thirtieth, Chairman
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: William Hibbel stated, quote, by a predoonderance of evidence, the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: panel did conclude that she had prior knowledge and was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: involved prior to the incident. This is based on civil standards,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: not criminal standards. Bank records, phone records, the way they
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: came together to establish the case. The panel decided that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the FBI reports, court documents, and the plague deal that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: she entered quote were a clear disregard for fairness, good sportsmanship,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and ethical behavior. As a result, Tanya Harding was stripped
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: from her nineteen ninety four US Championship title and banned
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: for life from participating in any United States Figure Skating
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Association events, either as a skater or a coach.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Oh right, there just shows you. Hey, yep, she I
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: feel like played her cards really well.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: To get out off like, oh this is it's frustrating
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to listen to this.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Oh it really is. Yeah, I do want to end
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: this on one final note. In twenty eighteen, Tanya shared
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: a bit more about the attack. She mentioned knowing beforehand
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: about Jeff and Sean talking about quote taking out one
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of her competitors in late nineteen ninety three. She stated
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: she objected, saying she wanted to win fairly and question
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: them about their conversation. This is a straight admittance directly
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: from her, not evidence showing. It's an admittance that she
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: had prior knowledge of the assault at.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: The very least, that she's a liar.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Now, let's go back to when you talked about that
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: bet she had prior knowledge. Now her husband is saying, hey,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: what's what's the address? I bet you you can't remember it?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, you think you have?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Red flag would pop up there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: No kidding, because that she knows, like this is one
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of my biggest competitors. She you don't forget a conversation
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: like that, right, Oh my gosh, Okay, I mean I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: feel like she got off so easy here. But then
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: also the whole band from doing something that she was
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: obviously so passionate love so much.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Would be like a slap in the face.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost you know, as bad as going to prison,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: probably because like she has to't figure out well no, no, no,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I take that back, not almost as bad, but like
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: pretty shitty. You have to you have to think your
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: whole life.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But she dropped out a high school. She has no
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: education because of figure skins. Shit, so now she can't
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: figure skate now what? But that also being sad, I mean,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: no matter. She did enter some other sports later on
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: in her life, like I think she went into boxing
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in like the previous ten years or something like that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: But endorsements and sponsorships, I bet you anything. And I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: did read that they were very hard to come by
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: her for anything she was doing, because no one wanted
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: to work with her on anything. Well.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and didn't she write a book though?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, she had a book that was written by another
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: author based on records and preapproved by her.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I mean there might be other books, probably
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: not like super Struggling.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: For money though, Oh I don't think she is.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, she probably had a couple of million in
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the bank when this all happened. And if she was smart,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: she's probably just sitting there laughing on a beach right
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: now somewhere anyways.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah huh. Now As for Nancy, though, after the Olympics,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: she participated in several competitions ongoing okay, also in other
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: competitions like ice Wars, but mainly concentrated on performing in
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: various ice shows These included Champions on Ice, Broadway on Ice,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and an ice show version of the musical Footloose, among others.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I think she actually even was on Dancing with the Stars.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, she would take on the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: role of a national spokeswoman for Fighting for Sight, which
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and continuing to be an all around I mean badass.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Well, no kidding.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she continued being an athlete regardless of the situation,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: regardless of what sort of avenue she went in, whether
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it was an Olympic athlete or these other like ice
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Wars and all these other things. Broadway on Ice, for example,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: she's both an Olympic competitor and a Broadway star. Are
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Badass?
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I mean she's obviously amazing.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. So she is doing very well. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I did also watch an interview where she never actually
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: really received an apology from Tanya. Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that doesn't even really surprise me, to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's the story of Nancy Kerrigan and the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Olympic assault. I don't even know what I'm going to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: title this yet, because how do you put all this
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: into a title?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: No kidding, I don't even know. I would just maybe
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: title it her name.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe it'll just be you know what I'm
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: gonna say, Nancy Kerrigan, Olympic competitor, Olympic athletes. Yeah, something
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Olympian because that's what she is. I mean, she competed
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: seven weeks after.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Which is incredible. I feel like figure skating used to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: be a lot more popular. I feel like or maybe
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just feel like or this event
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: maybe made it more known.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is all pre social media too, right,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: so it was like when the Olympics were happening, was
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: like everyone was watching.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I know.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Growing up, like my mom was quite into watching the Olympics,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: figure skating was one of those things. She was a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: big fan of Elvis Stoiko. I remember back in the day,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and I remember seeing some He was retired by the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: time I remember, but I do remember Kurt Browning and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: his back flips.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Oh geez. Well, like yeah, there was just like some
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: really incredible I get athletes.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the figure skating was an extremely competitive division,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure it still is today. It's just not
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: as like prominent in mainstream media.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, but I mean also I think
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of drama back.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, like an assault of someone.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: That made it very much some more in the foreground, right.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's without a doubt that Tanya was involved
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: prior to there is evidence of it. There's things like
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: phone records that were found and pulled, there's red and stuff.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: She admitted it and she did not serve the time
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: because of her fucking plea deal. That I honestly feel
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: if new evidence comes out, a new trial should be warranted.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree, because yeah, when she got that
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: plea deal, she was probably just like dancing a way.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, yes, and I do know that, like I've
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: heard in other cases I've researched this before, where they've
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: gone into another trial, a new trial, and they can't
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: reuse evidence from the first one. They have to have
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: new evidence. So I would think that new evidence should
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: warrant that.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Like, if you're in jail for a crime that you
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: didn't commit and you get evidence, you get a retrial.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So if you're out of jail and there's new evidence
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that you did, it's the exact opposite. There should be
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a retrial. To me, that makes sense, but I don't know.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, gosh, what's she like assaulting? Being
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: part of an assault like that? Is you should it
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: be paying some time?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's skeezy, skeezy as fuck.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was like, ski easy, what do you mean
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you know, not ski? Sound was like, is she skiing?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: No? Ski, She's not a skier.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: She's skeezy, skeezy, yes, slimy, yeah, no kidding douche canoe.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she is someone you wouldn't want to, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: stay a little bit away from.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Especially if she's holding a baton or someone she knows
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: is holding a baton.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Or if or if someone she knows is doing better
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: than her. Yes, right, yes, the real thing.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Don't compete with Tanya Harding. She'll take you out at
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the knees.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: This one's been on my list for a while. Hopefully
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed this one. It's it's a story and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a half. This you can go you can go down
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a very big rabbit hole with this story.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It was a difficult one to research because all the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: little nuances that like I said that, he said, she said,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff there was we mostly
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: just went over Jeff's testimony. There are other testimonies, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Jeff's is the most prominent one that really spills the evidence.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: He's the one that went through the plea deal, so
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the others basically just corroborated his story. But there is
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: still some other information to go through, and the later
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: evidence as well that they kind of came through that said, hey,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: she actually did have prior knowledge things like that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, man, I mean, this story is terrible.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: It could have been a lot more terrible if Nancy
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't so freaking amazing.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, God, she's a badass.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: No kidding, Yeah, big time.
• 50:14
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• 50:18
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• 50:21
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• 50:41
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