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Black Panther with Naomi Ekperigin and Ify Nwadiwe · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they happen individualism, the patriarchy zef invest start
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  Speaker 1: changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante Jamie Loftus,
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  Speaker 1: and we're here to talk about the portrayal of women
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  Speaker 1: in movie because that's what our podcast is about. Is
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  Speaker 1: what our podcast is about. Yeah, we've been doing it
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  Speaker 1: for a little while. Yeah, we're we're freaking veterans at
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  Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, that's scary. I looked at right now.
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  Speaker 1: As of this recording, we have sixty nine episodes. App Hell,
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  Speaker 1: yeah that's sexy. Right, that's so, that's good. That's very
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  Speaker 1: If I was in middle school, I'd be pissing myself
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  Speaker 1: right now, But I'm an adult, so I'm just like
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  Speaker 1: clenching and being like, that's kind of funny. Just sure. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So we talk about women in movies, we use the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel test is just a jumping off point for a
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  Speaker 1: larger conversation. Hey, with Bectel test is a test you
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  Speaker 1: applied to media. It requires that the movie let's say
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  Speaker 1: you're watching, has two female characters. They must have names,
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  Speaker 1: they must talk to each other, and the conversation has
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  Speaker 1: to be about anything other than a man. Our version
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  Speaker 1: of is a two line of dialogue exchange. So can
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  Speaker 1: we demo it? I'd love to. Hey, Caitlin, was the
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  Speaker 1: vital test? I'm stupid, Jamie, You're not stupid. But the
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  Speaker 1: bectal test is when women talk to each other in
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  Speaker 1: movies about stuff that's not a man. Okay, but oops,
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  Speaker 1: we just mentioned a man. So did that. It's when
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  Speaker 1: movies have women who talk about I love the movie doubt. Okay, done?
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  Speaker 1: Did it? We did it. The best thing about the
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  Speaker 1: batal test is that it does not have to be
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  Speaker 1: well written. It just has to clear a bar, which
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  Speaker 1: if you've been listening to the podcast for a while,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find, uh, is is something that's freely taken advantage of.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely not in this particular movie we're talking about today,
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  Speaker 1: which is very well written. Right, I'm so excited. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited. This has been a big listener requests. Our
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  Speaker 1: feet has been quite honestly blown up with request for
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  Speaker 1: this episode, so we're we're excited to be doing that.
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  Speaker 1: So you're welcome everybody. Jesus So without much further ado, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're about to make Bechtel cast history because we have
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  Speaker 1: not one to guests who guests, a double guests. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: more bodies, more voices. It's going to be terrific. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait because these are both such wonderful people. We've
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  Speaker 1: got one returning guest, but also the first time I've
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  Speaker 1: been in the room with her for this podcast, because
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  Speaker 1: I not famously but irresponsibly never showed up for this.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't show up. It's all right, we forgive you. You You
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  Speaker 1: might remember this from me when Harry met Sally episode
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  Speaker 1: and so he was dowd. I'm sorry, okay, but you
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  Speaker 1: already know her. She's a comedian. You've seen her on
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  Speaker 1: two Dope Queens, Naomi a comparagon, Hey come back, and
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  Speaker 1: our other guest he's written for at Midnight. He has
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  Speaker 1: a podcast coming out soon called Nerdificent if e wad way,
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  Speaker 1: what do I thought you were going to say make
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  Speaker 1: history when you had you had two black people? I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you got back, but we're going to post
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  Speaker 1: black panther society. Where's it's very advanced. You know you
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  Speaker 1: have more Black people than of Comedy podcast and so
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  Speaker 1: shout out to y'all. We did it. So the movie
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  Speaker 1: just came out. Nami, you've seen it once. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you went it once, Iffy three times. I'm at three times.
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  Speaker 1: And also shout out to Aristotle who has also seen
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  Speaker 1: it three times. My god, Wait, we've got eleven viewings
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  Speaker 1: in one room. Okay, we're ready. We're ready. So what
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  Speaker 1: are your initial thoughts takes on the movie? That's my
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  Speaker 1: initial Yeah, no, this is this is as like a
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  Speaker 1: like you know, Nerd also as an African like black Pants.
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  Speaker 1: There's always been special to me because he wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: a black hero, he was an African hero. So it
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  Speaker 1: was literally like, oh man, he's like straight up just
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  Speaker 1: like me. And it's been a long journey because I remember,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when the m C you kind of started
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  Speaker 1: out Marvel Cinematic University, continue get the news up to speak. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at Comic Con, like they were saying like what kind
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  Speaker 1: of would be too hard to make? And but this
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  Speaker 1: was like post thor and it was like what are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about? You guys already just did Valhalla and
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  Speaker 1: it was just a long road, but we got here.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like it was perfect because if it
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  Speaker 1: would have been done when I wanted it, it would
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  Speaker 1: not have had Coogler, because Googler, I think, only has
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  Speaker 1: done fruit Vale Station at the time. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it would have had most of the cast, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it took a lot of the cast where people who
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  Speaker 1: just kind of blew up the sides, like Lupetea and
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  Speaker 1: Michael b was on his like hot streak by then.
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  Speaker 1: But the weight was needed. I didn't even know it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize this movie was in some form of
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  Speaker 1: production for my entire life. Yeah, yeah, that this first
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  Speaker 1: started from from what I can tell, in ninety two
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  Speaker 1: was like the first mention of possibly making a black
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  Speaker 1: Panther movie. I'm so glad you not getting made in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen it would have had it would have been whacking, dude.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this has been a movie that's been in
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  Speaker 1: talks forever and yeah, yeah, I mean if it had
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  Speaker 1: been in ninety two, nightmare. I heard this current rendition
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  Speaker 1: of it kind of started back in two thousand eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin Fagy was like, uh not, Yeah, we need
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  Speaker 1: to wait for like the big producer over at markin O.
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  Speaker 1: I guess h n W d C had white dude
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  Speaker 1: in charge. Oh I had at the end, so that
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  Speaker 1: was technically had white dude. Okay, but yeah, he got
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  Speaker 1: the scripting. He was like, he's like, now it's not
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  Speaker 1: the time and he waited. And it's so funny because
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  Speaker 1: where did I hear them talking about how it was
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  Speaker 1: pushed to February because they didn't believe in it. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it was purposely pushed to February so it
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  Speaker 1: can be during Black History. Months after hearing Figgy wanting
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  Speaker 1: to wait, basically, he kind of was like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to drop this when it will be the most culturally relevant.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, no, I you know, as
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  Speaker 1: much as I hate to admit it, he was right like,
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  Speaker 1: right now it's probably like the peak time to drop
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  Speaker 1: it because right now it's like the movie to see.
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  Speaker 1: There's not other movies that just came out that everyone's
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  Speaker 1: like and and and I mean as of this recording,
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  Speaker 1: two million dollar budget, million dollars at the box office. Right,
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  Speaker 1: what I said, Okay, people need to stop thinking that
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  Speaker 1: all black people broke or they don't care about culture,
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  Speaker 1: or they don't want to be seen. And at what
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  Speaker 1: point is like, do we have to just start trading
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  Speaker 1: our kidneys for movie tickets for people to start making
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  Speaker 1: our ship, because I think it's the same thing with
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  Speaker 1: girls trip right, another one, Wait a minute, do black
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  Speaker 1: women like move? It's like no one gets it. It's
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  Speaker 1: like we only bootleg ship because it's not worth us
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  Speaker 1: seeing in the theaters. When it's worth seeing in the theaters,
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  Speaker 1: we will three times. It's been great because it really
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  Speaker 1: just struck all the chords within the black community. I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting all the tease, like the hoteps are out. For
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  Speaker 1: those who don't know hoteps, I had to describe this before,
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  Speaker 1: but hoteps are like these super pro black dudes who
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  Speaker 1: think that they all came from Egypt, that that that's
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  Speaker 1: the only dope part of Africa. For some reason, they
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  Speaker 1: don't respect women. They think, you know, they're one of
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  Speaker 1: those their places in the kitchen, and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: America's the white man is trying to ruin backwards black families.
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  Speaker 1: And they wear as where a lot of petula oil
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  Speaker 1: and they oh yeah, and just my favorite hotep take
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  Speaker 1: check out YadA. They say that menistruation is the white
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  Speaker 1: man's invention and that if you follow their diet, you
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  Speaker 1: will stop having periods. That is hot, amazing and honestly
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  Speaker 1: I'm down to try. Oh my god, Aristotle's phone just
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  Speaker 1: started screaming about he has a Yeah, he has a
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  Speaker 1: Hotep's undercover Hotep. You'all talk Aristotle's menstruation alerts extremely responsive
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  Speaker 1: to talk of menstruation. Oh so, if you were familiar
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  Speaker 1: with the comic books, yea, Nami, No, I wasn't. I
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  Speaker 1: love action movies. I do not actually like comic books.
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  Speaker 1: I had to explain this to my fiance, who's a
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  Speaker 1: comic hid who who accidentally for my first birthday are
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  Speaker 1: not my first in life. Our first birthday together got
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  Speaker 1: me the Walking Dead compendium, because I do love that show.
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  Speaker 1: But when I don't, I don't know what order to
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  Speaker 1: read the boxes in and it'll be like a full page,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a spread of like a punch, and
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to mean something for me, and it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: So I need it all in movie form. So I
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  Speaker 1: so I did not know the comic going in, and
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  Speaker 1: so I was surprised. I mean no, obviously I knew
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  Speaker 1: back when he appeared in the Avengers movie. Obviously, like
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  Speaker 1: where he was from, we're supposed to be. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess what I didn't expect out of the movie, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the comic was like this was
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  Speaker 1: connecting it to actual present day black culture, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. I thought it was all going to
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  Speaker 1: be like wa Kanda, we're gonna we're gonna hint it
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  Speaker 1: Africa without being specific so that if we're wrong, no
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  Speaker 1: one's mad. And you know what I mean, Like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna actually talk about kind of
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  Speaker 1: like he's fun. I guess that's what made it so good, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like the actual conflict of the center is a real
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  Speaker 1: conflict that is like has fucking shades are gray? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like normally it's like we're good guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're bad guys. You killed someone, now you're a bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Like that's not a lot of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the freaking comic movies are, and this one was kind
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: of like I see both of your point. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was a big thing with kill Monger. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: he's not going about it the right way, but like
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  Speaker 1: I understand where he's coming from because he's like he's
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  Speaker 1: all about wanting to provide aid to the people who
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  Speaker 1: look like him. All around the globe, while Wakonda like
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  Speaker 1: it just kind of keeps their resources for themselves. And
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I was like, he's got a
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  Speaker 1: got a point. He's just a bad guy about it, yea.
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  Speaker 1: And the level of like nuance in this movie too
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  Speaker 1: is like another thing where you're like, thank God this
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  Speaker 1: wasn't made ninety two. There's like, I mean, even I've
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  Speaker 1: never been particularly into comic books, but even in the
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  Speaker 1: past year, I feel like there's just been a few
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  Speaker 1: superhero movies that I've actually been interested in, Like even
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  Speaker 1: seeing the trailer. Normally, if I see you know, like whatever,
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  Speaker 1: like a Superman trailer, even like it just like doesn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything for me. It's like, Okay, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I know how this goes. But this is like a
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  Speaker 1: new kind of movie. This and Wonder Woman and I
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  Speaker 1: really like Thrown uh. And there's comic book movies coming
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  Speaker 1: out that you don't need to be like hardcore into
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  Speaker 1: comic books from birth to enjoy, because the movies are
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  Speaker 1: actually trying to like meet you and like connect with
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  Speaker 1: you and not just be like you're saying yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: good guy, bad guy, kind of cut and dry it
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  Speaker 1: if I can just Dip been a true nerdiness foods.
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  Speaker 1: The reason, I think, the reason that Marvel has seen
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  Speaker 1: so much mainstream success has been mostly because all the
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  Speaker 1: Marvel directors tag a genre onto a movie. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like early on superhero movies were superhero movies, as if
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  Speaker 1: that's a genre that works. But aunt Man is a
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  Speaker 1: heist movie. Thor Ragnarok is a straight up comedy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: We're still working on a genre for Black Panther, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it is both a Shakespearean like royal battle
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  Speaker 1: for the Mantle while also being like just a almost
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  Speaker 1: Spike Lee j Even though I hate Si, I like
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  Speaker 1: Spike Lee, love his movies, love everything you know he
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  Speaker 1: does to a point, hate everything he says, Like I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't get behind this guy pointing the finger at Gentrification.
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  Speaker 1: When the first check he got he got up out
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  Speaker 1: of brook, it was like, I'll see y'all all, this
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  Speaker 1: will be out here. So so y'all know I'm still down.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm an upper manhat should I do the recap?
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  Speaker 1: Let's do the recap? And also does feel free to
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  Speaker 1: interrupt the recap at anytime, everybody, if you will correct you? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: classes So Black Panther takes place in the Marvel Cinematic
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  Speaker 1: Universe in the fictional country of Waconda, which is in
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  Speaker 1: like eastern Africa. The story centers around T'Challa. He's a
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  Speaker 1: black panther, which turns out is a power that he
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  Speaker 1: gets by drinking an herb, a purple heart shaped herb,
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  Speaker 1: and it gives him heightened strength and ability and agility
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. His father has just died, which
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  Speaker 1: we see in the first movie that we actually see
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  Speaker 1: the Black Panther character in in the m c U,
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  Speaker 1: which is Captain America, the one where there that was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be good, right, Yeah, I was a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Winter Soldier head. Yeah, I love me some
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  Speaker 1: Winter Soldier. This one was not. Um didn't move me
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  Speaker 1: as much. Yeah. It was the biggest problem I think
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  Speaker 1: with Civil War was when it happened in the comics,
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  Speaker 1: it was such a big it was like a war
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  Speaker 1: between superhero so it was like insane. You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: these heroes are fighting. By the time it happened in
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  Speaker 1: the m c U, there just weren't that many characters,
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  Speaker 1: so it was just like a petty world star fight
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  Speaker 1: in an airplant. So I think that was the biggest
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  Speaker 1: letdown for fans, but I think driving the story wise,
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  Speaker 1: it was very cool to see that kind of split
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  Speaker 1: between Cap and Iron Man, his good friend Cap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: classic Cap. So we first meet um Black Panther in
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  Speaker 1: that movie. So in this movie we basically see his world,
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  Speaker 1: we see Wakonda. It's this futuristic like more advanced technology
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  Speaker 1: than anywhere else in the world because they have access
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  Speaker 1: to something called vibranium, which is a metal I think
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  Speaker 1: some substance. I love the name for, like random superheroes
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  Speaker 1: into all their stones. Met Yeah, it's like a precious
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  Speaker 1: super It's one of the strongest metals in the world. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: am vibe. Yeah, it's been it's stronger like it's and
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  Speaker 1: it's and it's worth a lot of money. And in
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  Speaker 1: this movie, it's established that it came to Earth from space.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to push it's okay, we talk about Black Panther.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever happened, she might deserved. So they have access to
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  Speaker 1: vibranium and it's helped have them like cultivated this like
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  Speaker 1: super hyper advanced society. But they're hiding in plain sight
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the world thinks they're like this
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  Speaker 1: unpoverished nation. Meanwhile, we've got to Charlotte. He's like about
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  Speaker 1: to do the ceremony where he is becoming king because
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  Speaker 1: his father died in the Civil War movie. So we
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  Speaker 1: meet his ex girlfriend Slash, a spy named Nikia. I
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  Speaker 1: aspire to be called ex girlfriend Slashed by the hold time.
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  Speaker 1: And we meet a koy A, the general of his army. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and we meet Sure his sister, and these are all
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  Speaker 1: characters that are sort of like advisors of his and
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  Speaker 1: everyone everyone's So it's very distracting what I got. The
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  Speaker 1: movie him me like, I got to do bar method, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because that body is my birth right. Okay, I go
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  Speaker 1: a stray and so if I just focus up, I've
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: been to the gym every day since that movie. Straight up.
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  Speaker 1: It's been the biggest inspiration in my life. And when
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  Speaker 1: you see that hot bod, just know you gotta thank
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  Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan A fact tag him in it. Right. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: we meet his kind of core group of people, his
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  Speaker 1: mother as well. Um, there's a character named Wakabi who
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  Speaker 1: is his pal. They do this like ritualistic ceremony to
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  Speaker 1: have him become king, in which people have the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to challenge him, and they're like, oh, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to be king, you can also try, but you have
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  Speaker 1: to kill him. So it takes a bold move and
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  Speaker 1: there is one challenger Umbaku from the dick. Yes, is
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  Speaker 1: it the Jabori Jabari. So he challenges him and loses.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't die though, because he comes back a later,
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  Speaker 1: because is a gracious, a gracious king. I'll give you
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  Speaker 1: a little soundclip just from me. For too long we
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  Speaker 1: have watched from the mountains. Your technology is overseen by
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  Speaker 1: a child. No longer you will not tabit. We will
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  Speaker 1: not tabit, or from a king who couldn't even protect spot.
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  Speaker 1: And then you push in on that face, push on
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  Speaker 1: Jolla feeling that yeah, I sweating. It's amazing panic attack
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  Speaker 1: that it really was dancing, it was. It came into
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  Speaker 1: his heart when he when he spoke, it like made
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  Speaker 1: me tingle and I found out after why it is
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  Speaker 1: because he spoke. Yeah, he spoke specifically with the Ebo inflection,
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  Speaker 1: which is the tribe that I'm from in Nigeria. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a hand of that, do you know, Opie,
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  Speaker 1: Oh he's Urba so yeah, well yeah, do the connect
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  Speaker 1: We should just have an all Nigerian show. So there's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: so many Nigerians like comedie, like black comics who are Nigerian.
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  Speaker 1: It's like so many just like just mad. We did
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  Speaker 1: not come here for comedy. But yeah, so you so
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  Speaker 1: everyone who's Nigerian had that same response to Imbaku and
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  Speaker 1: it's because yeah, that people inflection amazing. Okay, so back
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  Speaker 1: to this story, Okay, continue, So I'll try to get
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  Speaker 1: this as fast as possible. So basically he's on, He's
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  Speaker 1: becomes king. There's a villain named Claw played by Andy Serkis,
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  Speaker 1: so surprisingly any Circus went from Galen and Zay was
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  Speaker 1: like like he had that like I'm down with black
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  Speaker 1: people haircut. Okay, you could roll with the crew. So
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: any Circus's character, Claw stole a bunch of vibranium from
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Wakonda years and years ago, which is another part that
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I forgot to mention. So we opened the movie it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in Oakland stern k Brown, which I think is crucial
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to establishing your powers black film. Okay, if you're gonna
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: get a black film, if you're going to be trying
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to let us up, if you don't open with Sterling,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it's not real and I think that was important. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: don't know when they decided to do that casting, you know, right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: this is us episode one, I don't know, and they
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: were like, we got to get him in here, you
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, to just establish that we ain't
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: playing right. It's like not at the very beginning, but
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: then someone like raised their hand. They're like, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it really start us up exactly. That's what I wonder
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: with all of it too, Like even Daniel Kluja, right,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: because obviously we know him from get Out, but he's
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: such a popular actor. Like I'm like, where did he
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: come in the process or was it like one of
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: those things where I was like, Okay, hurry up his
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: ass in here. But I know it takes like two
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: years to make these movies. When it was this movie
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: shot before, I feel like this and get Out maybe
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we're shot around the same time because of how long
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: these movies. I don't know if I can start a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that my buddies Aaron Covington, who co wrote
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Creed with Googlers friends with Phil Jackson, who got an
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: early draft of get Out to like take a pass
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: on it. So my theory is that Coogler somehow got
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to see an early early cut. Was that's that's my
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: wil copy right there. Yeah, I probably did not happen,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: but let's just say I'm willing I believe it. Though.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It does feel like exciting at least that this young
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: black generation is bigger. I feel like there's a right
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like older Black actors are a legit ten of them
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and they all get all the awards, and it does
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: feel like at least they're more young people now kind
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of to choose from, if that makes any sense, because
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I always felt like there could be only one. Also,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: technically there's two Black Mirror actors in this, because you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: remember Khaluya was in Black Mirror. He was he was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the the American Idole one. Oh my god, I totally
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: forgot about that episode. And then and then Lada she
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was in the season finale, right, yes, I saw that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: When I remember that one, I was like, what do
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I recognize that interest from you? When that was it? Okay?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So oh yeah, you're still trying to take us through
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the movie from top to bottom all right minutes. I mean,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: my guess is like people won't even need the recap
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: because they will have just I mean we're gonna we're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: spoiling at everything. I know. I'm like everyone. Hopefully if
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, you've had a week episode look within. Okay, No,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you need to seek treatment. Okay, if you haven't seen it,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: pro tip for anything on there. And I don't listen
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to any podcast with the title of a movie you
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: haven't seen if you don't want spoilers. I'm living in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a post movie pass culture, like having seen it, exactly
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: figure it out. So back to Sling Brown's character, who,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: oh my god, we're back at the beginning of the movie.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: He's the most handsome man I've ever seen in my life.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I always hearing number one. He's like right up there. Okay.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So he gets visited by King Tchaka Ino and he's like, oh,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: this bad guys stole our vibranium and you helped him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And then we see flashbacks throughout the movie about that interaction.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck? Okay if he okay for the listeners, okay,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: but if he very subtly and surreptitiously pulled out his
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: cell phone to show a picture of his ass with
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sterling camera and another strong black man looking just like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the goddamn Chopla Drop, the musical group that I would
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: be following casual af best friends, all eyes to camera
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and cherishing this moment if he just casually like flexed
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in kits my boy, what where where up? So my
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: boy echo echo caelum who is in black? Um? I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was gonna say black like arrow yeah. And so he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to go to a party
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: with me? And I was like all right, yeah, finished,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you're a black friend. And then he was like yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it's the e W Sack part. I was like, I'm
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like it was like a smoke cloud and I just
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: run home. I don't want to suit And it's a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Chateau Mormont and I was like, okay, this might be
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like some like whatever party. But of course I stepped
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in and all our favorite black started. Brian Tyree Henry
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: from Atlanta. First dude, I see. I was like, oh
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my gosh, the black kid from Stranger Things, in all
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the black kids from Black It was like it was like, man,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of dope black activity going on there.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And I walked outside and I looked to the right
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and it was Sterling K. Brown And I was like, okay,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: because my wife is in love with him. I was like, yo,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I gotta take a pick with you for while he
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, of course it's not pregnant. Of course
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: he's nice. And then of course he does the classic
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: black someone taking a picture for us joke of make
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sure the flashes on so you can get all this blackness.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So and so we got a picture and I was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: mad hyped. I was good for like the rest of me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you have to back that up. Okay,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: back then up onto your hot drives. You put that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: in the cloud and make sure people have that print
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: out copays. We'll put it on it. We just need
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: this picture out there. Send it to Caitlin right now. Sure,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: as you were saying to Pouster Brown, seen one of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the phone movie that we're talking about, I will say
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: my number one crushing this movie is Winston Duke. Yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: oh yeah. I was just like, oh, there he is.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: That's and I love when he has this little humor
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: moments like that has been my feed for like since
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the movie is released. Was like, if you got to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: do imbakulas cops, like if you got like every day
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: someone's been like, if you got to be Umbaku and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it was like, look, my Beard game is not good
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: at all, Like I'm sorry to break it to you off,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: so I'm have to get Beijing all over my flight.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It was so funny to see the black Beard game.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, a couple of homies were a low patchy
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: up there and I was like, honestly, appreciate your bravery.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: But I was like, please speak truth. Okay, don't be
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: feeling that it in show the reality. Okay, a newbian beer.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I was very there for the past okay is beautiful.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sweating again. Soul hasn't gotten past. So there's a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: subplot where to Chaka and his brother steranth Kay Brown's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: character and Joe Bu he betrays than I'm um, it's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like a Caucasian nightmare. So many African names to say
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: in succession. So um. So he betrays the then king
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and uh he gets murdered for it. Later on we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: find out, but he has a son who is a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: kid in this and grows up to be Eric kill Younger,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the main villain of the movie, and he comes back
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: first he kills Claw. He seems to be working with
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: him and I'm like, what's this all about? Because helps
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: him steal some vibranium from this museum and we're just like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: what's going on? What's happening here? But then he kills
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Claw and he takes him back to Wakonda basically to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: use his leverage and be like, hey, I'm one of you.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm Condon. I want to be your king, and they're
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: like what who are you? And he's like, I'm the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: son of Joe Bu and I'm fucking like, let me
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: do the Hey, it's the greatest lot of any fucking movie.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Just just to clear up the leverage part. So what Coabi?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Who is ta Challa's confidant. His parents were killed in
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the attack that we're claws sto the vibranium, so he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: when he went on the mission to capture Claw, he
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: didn't get it, and what Cobby is pissed. But then
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Michael B brings him Claw's body, So now what copies like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: uh to ta is my old friend, my new best
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: friend is. So he comes in, brings him in and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: once again another SoundBite from from this scene, everyone's like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, who is this guy? Who is this guy?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So just so you know, the tension building, and then
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's asked to Challa to say his name
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I won't. And then one of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the river tribe do with the huge disc was like
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: who are you and he was like, I'm in d
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Jacob new Toby. Not my daddy would pay the marks
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in his chest. I'm here to enact my birthright for
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a seat at the throne. The music is picking up.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's like like dabbing in the thing. That moment was incredible.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: It was so literally, hey, Auntie is the greatest line movie.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And it was just like, I don't know, it was
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: just brilliant. I think he just did such a did
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: such a great job of straddling both those worlds as
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that person and then kind of wanting to be the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Wakundan king. But it was just the use of music
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in this movie is like killer too, because with a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: lot of superhero movies, I feel like it gets kind
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of lazy or just like a slow swell of strings
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: when someone saying something. But this is like, it's like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: exciting in it the whole time. Quick Cyber. It is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Ludwig Grandson who does the score, who you may know
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: from Community and Happy Endings or creed Uh New Girl
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and Childish Gambino. He did Redbone. Uh yeah, yeah, he
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: did Redbone and he also did some stuff with Haim too.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So I've listened to the score. I'm like a scorehead,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like my before this my favorite yeah, before this, My
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: favorite scores were Interstellar, and I actually liked the end
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of tour like very like ambient cute score. This one.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I've never heard of score like this in my life
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: because he uses bass like rappers use bass, which is
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: too much but just enough, you know, And it is
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like that same kind of like very uplifting, very traditional score,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: but mixed in with hip hop beats and African drums, flutes, chance,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's really is like nothing you've never heard.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't win Oscars for this score, your boy
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is gonna be like he was two seconds before we
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: found out it was actually Moonlight. Oh my god, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was lost, cousin. Okay, so I'm almost done. So we
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: got yes. So Eric Hillmonger challenges to Challa for the throne.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: They have their sort of ritualistic combat thing. To Challa
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: appears to have been defeated. We think that he dies terrifying,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and I just want to point out this fun fact.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So in this scene when he dies. This actually isn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a fun fact about the story, but the fun fact
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of my second viewing experience. I was with this white
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: lady next to me who was watching it as if
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: she was possessed by a black person. It was like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: watching a movie with my mom. Seriously, But in that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: scene where he throws him off the waterfall and he dies,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: she leans over to me and goes, I don't think
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he's dead. You think like they didn't kill the protector.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: She was so confident. That's cute. So he dies, we
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: assume kill Munger takes over the throne. He's like, we're
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: going to send out We're basically gonna incite war all
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: over the world and give vibranium to weapons, specifically the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: vibranium weapons for the weapons to black people over the world,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: basically so that they can fight their oppressors. And everyone's like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: actually that doesn't really sound like that great any idea?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And then Nikia the Queen and sure we all are like, hey,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: we should go to Umbaku and be like maybe you
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: should be the new black pants there and he's like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: actually I found your old one right there. And so
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: child comes back, saves the day, there's this huge epic
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: battle at the end. All that Len in the movie
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Theater is right. Part of how he's able to come
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: back is because so when Michael b becomes king, of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: course the person he does is destroy the purple herb
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that can give the man the power of the Black Panther. Now,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: because you know, Lupeta is straight up spying on it. Okay,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: come into a damn hole in the wall. She give
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: herself a little damn herb that is like for the road.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: When you find black Panther, the true Black Panther, they're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: able to grind up that herb that she stole. You know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he's in the last of it basically, um and then,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: which makes me really worried for a Wakonda. So after
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: this movie it's gone, we'll see. That's what was so
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: curious to me, because like in comic book lore, because
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they and they touch on it, the spirit of the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Black Panther, it is a spirit that abuse you. So
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to introduce because in the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: comics the way sure he was, because sure in the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: comics eventually becomes a Black Panther and she takes over
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and becomes the queen. And then but black Panthers still
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Black panther in but all around the world. And the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: way it exists is because the spirit Black Panther abuses
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Sherry with like the spirit of life and che Challah
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the spirit of death. It's very cool. It's way cool.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And I do like the idea of Surrey becoming queen,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like I that I hope that happens. But just for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: another sound bite, you know this when he takes when
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he takes the herb, you know, he goes to the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: planes of the Ancestors and he sees his dad and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: his dad's like his dad's way too chill with his son,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: just being murked, like he's like, come on, it's time
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to come back, come hang with us now. And then
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he shakes and this is all in uh what Condon,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: which is actually Josha. Uh yeah, this is an actual
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: language Yea from South Africa. So that's why I fun fact,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: even though this was very likely mentioned the casino scene,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Remember when she's like stand down and like the dudes's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like hey, it wasn't because she was loud, it was
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: because that guy was South African. And I saw that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: because there's a scene breakdown that Coogler does, but we
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: can talk about that takes inside. Oh yeah, no, we're
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: going to get deepen. But so he goes and he
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: sees his father and he's like why why He was like,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: we had to do what we did to protect but
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he he was a child walking behind. I have to
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: go back and stop a monster of our own making,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: just stopping. I can't come back. And then he comes
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: back like Jesus, oh god. I was like I was there, God,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't. You guys got Chadwick for this. That's that's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: an impressive recall for three times that I expect. No
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: less a quote. I got a bad memory. I could
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I could go and just be like, well this movie
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: is pretty good. Okay, so we're I think, I think yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And he comes back and he kills Michael Bright on
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: an actual underground round so we gotta give our laugh
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: last sound bite. So he kills them with a cool move.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: They they're fighting down you find out that they have
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the underground round roads, yo, and you know that probably
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: was on you know. So they're fighting on this underground
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: railroad where they turned down vibranium so that they deactivated
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: so that they can transfer it at the speeds that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the trains move at, so when they do it, they
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: basically turn off all their protection. So they're fighting. They're
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: going in there having the whole monologue to child does
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: this kick ass move where he knocks the blade up
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and he stabs him in the chest, and then he's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like wheezing because he said knife. My dad told me
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: what kind of has the best sunsets? He told me,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: bring me here someday. You believe that a kid from
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Oakland believing in fairy tales. And at this point in
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the theater, I'm like, and then he takes him up
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to see the sunset and he's like, it's beautiful. We're dead.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: We're in it just tears everywhere. You're sniffle city. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: then he's like, he's like, there's probably time to save you.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: He's like, nah, just bury me in the oceans, because
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: my ancestors knew that death was a better faith than bondage.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And he pulls out It's like this low draw drawn.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I was waiting for a slave ship
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: reference and the bed day came at the end. You know,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in a way it was unexpected by that point. By
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: time I heard it, I said, wow, Wow, you caught
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: me off card for um and it was so perfectly timed. Yes,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Sniffles City City, That's what it was. Yeah, one way
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: ticket to Sniffles. I don't want to come back. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to come back. Room and final tenious recap
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and then what kind of opens basically opens its borders,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: reveals themselves to the u N and they opened in
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Oakland where his father killed his uncle. He turns he's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: going to turn into a will kind of outreach center
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and sure he's gonna head it up with Nikia. And
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it's a very beautiful scene where kids called the what
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: kind of spaceship a spaceship? Bugatti? When I was in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a black theater killed mostly white theater, did not get it,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: but I still thought that was still like a little bit.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I get it. You went people
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that you have stuff. I don't think you should lend
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: your spaceship, Okay, I think you keep spaceship to yourself, honestly,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: purposely the whole time, the whole time. Let him know
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you got a little bit of a little metal, but
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: never let me space ship. You can never let them
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: know you've got a spaceship. But you know, it was
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: put yourself out there. I don't know, I don't know.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I'm such a good movie. Yes, Okay, So before I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: saw this movie, I didn't know anything about the comic books,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't familiar with the story, so I was not expecting
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: this movie to do so well in terms of its
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: portrayal of women. Well, because we don't expect superhero movies
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to do well with women ever. Right, I don't know
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: about how black people do, okay, but we have no
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: choice because our culture has killed and or incarcerated so
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: many men that black women are in control of the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: home lives for so many people anyway, So if you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: tell most black stories, it's gonna be a woman kind
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of running things to some capacities. And then when they
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: went the African route, you know what I mean, because
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: they were based on real I don't know what the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: tribe was. The yeah, like an actual yea that they
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: are part of the comics. But also like Coogler himself
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: has been very so I guess I'll like go more
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: into the part where I saw Coogler talk, which it
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: was the first time I've seen Coogler talk. When was
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: this before the movie Meet? No this was and he
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: does a Vanity Fair scene breakdown, and he breaks down
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the casino fight scene and uh yeah, and oh god,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I'm having my god. Uh yeah, I got a year
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to make my better panther, So don't worry y'all. But yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And what's what I love about Coogler is he doesn't
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: code switch. He is the most Oakland sounding dude ever.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: He was like so when this breakdown, He's like, all right,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: So like I had it with a spear right here,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like but like, you know, he's very intelligent,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and it was cool to scroll down the YouTube comments
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and everybody like, this guy's a genius because it's like, wow,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we can speak how we speak and don't feel the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: need to wide it up. You know, me and Naomi,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: we just do we sound like this at all times.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Compton and was constantly asked why
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I talked it. It's because my father's people were colonized
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: by the British. He has he knows no other way
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to teach me, but he very much like I was
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: doing the Second Team podcast with Cody Ziegler, who saw
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: his student film that he did where it was called
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I Think the cut or the hair cut, and it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: about this man with dreads and he's walking to the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: barbershop and he's like seeing all these other black men
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: with dreads and they're dapping each other up. And he
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: goes and he sits down, he cuts his hair, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: then the reveal at the end is that he cuts
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: his hair because his little sister has cancer and got
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: chemo and he's doing it to match her. And he
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was talking about how like within that he's exploring like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: your blackness being attached to your hair and all this,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but also like the uplifting and supporting women within that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: like story. And I feel like Googler has always kind
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: of had a mind to do that and just and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like this movie, I mean, y'all will tell
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: me better than I would know. He really went all
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: out because but I'm gonna let you'll do the y'all thing. Yeah, honestly,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that's really brave of you as a man back and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we're ready to look like I'm just trying to be
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: more like Agent Ross and he to take his cues from. Honestly,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: didn't you feel like I thought the best thing I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: thought Martin Freeman's caucasity was utilized to great effect because
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I thought it was great to make effect. It wasn't
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: too heavy handed. We didn't have this moment where it
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was like I'm not African garbs now you know what
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I mean? He never did that thing. Yeah. I had
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: one family member on Facebook where it was like, well
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I love the movie except for the white Savior. They
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: had to have it. But I was like, okay, honey,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: they pretty much gave him a task to do. The
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: black girl walked him through it. You know what wasn't
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: like I literally had the same conversation with someone today
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: where he's like, I still find he was kind of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: white Savior. So I was like, how everything he did
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he was commanded to do it himself. He literally was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: begging for advice from a black like the whole time,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like I I don't know what to do. And that's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I think is the beauty of it. Is like him
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: being like I I don't tell me, tell me please,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and sure he while in the middle of a fight,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is walking. Yeah, she's she's multitasking. Yeah. One of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: first things I wanted to say, so all of to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Challa's warriors are women. They are bald women, so that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: passes the loftest test yes, baldest women in charge, um,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: baldest woman in charge. Yeah. So the people that he's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: relying on to protect him, his life is in their
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: hands are all women. We never see that sort of
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: thing where like the warriors are women. I was like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: holy sh it, that's sucking. And they're not like repeatedly
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: asked too, as I feel like they kind of often
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: are in action movies asked to prove themselves, like we
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: meet them. They're very capable, they know exactly what then
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they're doing, and it's never called into question where I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of movies ask its female protagonists
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to prove themselves to the male protagonist before they can
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: start doing stuff. So that was like, yeah, it seems
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that to Challa and pretty much all the men in
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the entire country like respect all when like it, well,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: contest seems like it's like a gender equality utopia. That
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: was the most magical thing about it. The Vibranium was like, Wow,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: sisters doing it for them sales, Yeah, feminist icon Wakonda
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: is what's happening? Half of the tribal elders or women, um,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: at least half of Challa's closest advisers or women, because
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: he's got Nikia a Koya and Shari, and they's also
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: got a few others like um Wa, Kabi and Zori.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But like so many of the scenes in this movie
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: are him and like two or three women just fighting
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and kicking asked and like getting the job done. Yeah,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you never see that's usually the opposite. It's like a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: ton of men and maybe a woman and often not
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: even a single woman. Yeah, like maybe one woman who
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: has to prove herself and make out with someone by
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the end. Or it's like when she does have a skill,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: if she's not obviously the superhero, like Scarlett Johansson's character
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of her name, but if it is a woman who
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like suddenly she kicks someone and is able to say,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: but you know, it's a surprising moments like I did
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: know I could do that. You know you could do that?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: You know like that it's used for that, and I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: felt like I'm sorry. Then the male protectonst is like, yeah,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that's because you're near my hard dick. Like that being
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: near my hard dick made you suddenly capable. Oh my gosh.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: But what I was going to say is I feel
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like Coogler also made a real good point to say, like,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: these women are just as capable, Like if we look
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: at the Korean chase scene, Black Panther was on the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: car and then who else but o Koy. She gets
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: on the car now and she's sucking just as lost
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: my mind. Literally, I was holding hands with my betrothed
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and whenever Denied Gera did anything, I would squeeze his hand.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I was I was overcome. I had sexuality and power
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to release. But we were in a public space. She
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you on the fucking Temperent car Spirit through
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the Hood, red Dress flying, I was dead. And you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: know I said this before we started. It's like, literally,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: denied Garera she had to put in her eight years
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: as macheone, okay to get hers. And I was like,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I mean even when she was show and she was amazing,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, yeah, you've been like killing
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: people with a spear for eight years, so now you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: get to do it for Marvel. And it was just
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: like so she didn't have to wear them, the locks,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: them that wig. It was like girl like she just
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: was working free and killing them. Oh my god. And
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: when she threw her wig, he was very empowering and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: spoke to me as a black woman. Honestly, by the end,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: when I was done, I was like, I gotta grow
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: my hair out. Okay, go back to natural hair. Do
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the bar method. Connect with my strange African father. Those
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: are the things I took away from that movie. So
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: fun facts about the casino scenes. Since we're talking about
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: wig Wig throw was in the first draft and he
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: was like, we kept it the whole time. We loved it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: That was our favorite thing. So also he said that
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in that fight scene he wanted to play with femininity
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: versus uh, you know, functionality or something. He's a way
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: smart thing that he says that I'm sucking up. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: also here's some cool fun facts about it. About the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: color theory in that scene, so Didni Grera's wearing red,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Luepete is wearing green and black, Panthers wearing black. That
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: was on purpose because that's the Pan African flag. Cloud's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: wearing blue because that's the color of colonization of the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: colonizer that he said, Who's wearing blue throughout the whole movie?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Our boy Michael B. Jordan's um the action scene where
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: she's spinning the spear around her neck to fight those guys.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: That wasn't a stunt double that was actually denied um
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: And but yeah, he wanted to play with the idea
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of using like you know, lethal femininity, which is why
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he specifically wanted the part where Lupete that takes her
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: heel off and hits the guy and so like he
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: really and he said, like you know when that guy
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: grabs her and she like kicks his as he said,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: he wants to explore that because you know, the unwanted
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: touch and like really defending yourself, especially in what kind
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of where like you know, that ship doesn't like fly.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: So he was very like to hear him talk about
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it and be very conscious about like just like he yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just like, oh, we're just gonna have females
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: kicking ass, you know, just like dudes. We're just gonna
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: put you know, just replace a dude character making a female.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: He very he was very conscious about like what it means,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the message and how it looked. That's awesome. One. Where
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: do you find the time to get smart? I know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: let us know went to sack and then he went
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to grad school in usc Oh. Does he have a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: master's degree. Like a certain someone we know who does
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: have a master's degree in screen writing from Boston with
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: your exact birthday, my exact birthday and social because you're
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: because might be the same age, all right, because you're
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: sev he's made are born the same week. I'm older
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: than him by what six days? Wow, I have to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: pass away. I always get so excited when someone's born
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: within a few days. I'm like, nothing, I contacted someone,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: when when's your birthday? My birthday is August and like, contact,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell me this ship Before I got here,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: one of the girls from the School of Rock was
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: born on the same exact day as me, and we're
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: like and I like contacted her. I was like, I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: have to find you. We were born under the same moon.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I got really into it. It's a good way to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: start any email. Yeah, okay, So the next thing I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: want to say is that, um, all of the main
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: characters who are women in this movie are given an
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: incredible skill set. So we've got Sure is a woman
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in Stem Black Women. She is the designer of all
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of Black Panthers like technology, and it seems like most
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of the technology in the entire city like she's like
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a head engineer. Here's a question though she's supposed to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: be a child prodigy R because she literally I know
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and realized she's two. She looks fifteen. I think she's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: she's supposed to be like like a TV. I think
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: she's supposed to be like fifteen or sixteen. A teen genius.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: She registered to me is like early twenties US, it
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: says on the official phase sixteen Ohio, Okaya. I love
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: their relationship, her brother sister relationship. It's nice, I hear.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Chadwick knew right away she was the one. As soon
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: as they met. She was like doing little sister roasts
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and he was like, this is the one that was
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the one that was like wow, So that's Sherry that
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: we've got. Nikia. She is a spy like an intern
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and a competent fighter. He's very good at fighting. Does
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: not want to be queen. She's like, I have a calling, okay,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: like you cute and all I got you to do
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: exactly that's back. That's eight plus plus for sure. Like
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: she the fact that she's given a desire beyond just
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like wanting to be with Techalla is like we never
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: see that in superhero movies, right, and and I mean
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: just like based on how women are portrayed in media
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in general, where you're you know, it's like you're aspiring
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to the princess while you're aspiring to be royalty all
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the time. To see someone reject that and be like, actually,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I have this thing that I'm really good at that
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I want to be doing like that, that is huge totally.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: It's like you're rejecting the first thing you're taught as
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a little kid of like, yeah, you want to be
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a princess probably right, yeah right. And she's like, no, thanks,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I gotta go fix the world. And she's like, okay, okay,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: what about if I helped you fix the world? Compromise
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: for her? He was like please please um. And then
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Nkoya she's the general of Tachill's army and she's someone says,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the greatest warrior in all of Wakonda. Like she So
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: these like three completely badass women who are given agency
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and skills and desires that relate to the male hero,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but they are their own women. They exist outside of
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the male characters. Yeah, for their own journeys. I thought
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the only the only part of it. And you tell
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: me like, was I could have used and I'm sure
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: just got cut even we did not feel long they
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: could have put it back in. I wanted to see
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: what Hobby and a Koya together because you hear them
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: say like my love twice, but you don't actually like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: see that relationship. And again I appreciate the fact that
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: we did not see a kids until the very end
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: of that movie, and we were letting romance run things,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: but I think it would have had it would have
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: helped it even be more impactful, just to because she
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: is this warrior person, what would that have looked like
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: for her in a romantic setting? Like what if in
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: any way does she let her bald hair down? You
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like how did that look if
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that happened? You know? I just would love to see
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that second So that then too when she did, because
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I thought too because like you hear him say it,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and at that moment at the end, I was like,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Bechdel hello, he was like would
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you kill me? She was like yeah, bitch, I was
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that is accurately. I just looked at that as because
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: remember this movie was the original cut was four hours long,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: so so I'm like all right, that's part of the
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: hour that was cut. Okay, oh my gosh, extended version.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna see that twenty times. But it was
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: still under like it was still like two tens or something.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Was thinking. I was because I supposed to meet someone.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm not going to get out
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: for like two hours and forty five minutes. And then
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I was done in like two with previews, so I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, this is very streamlined and still
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: had all the turns it had right for Michael b
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: coming in and fighting him and then taking over the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: getting unseen it, and and it was still like right
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and tight. And I said, well, then no other movie
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: has any excuse give me, give me that director's cut.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Because also I like, I'm surprised that the stuff Disney
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: let fly, like when he was like all people come
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: from here, aren't they? All your people are like, oh
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: this is fucking everybody from Africa fac. I thought that
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: would definitely be cut out. It was way blacker than
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I thought. Yeah. I really was like, wow, they did this,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: did this okay, excessive shoulder shape. Also what was cool too,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: is like you know they they and I'm sure pretty
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: sure they couldn't do it because of the PG. Thirteen level.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: But having Cloud say savages versus niggers, because you knew
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: he meant it like that. Every time he said he
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: was like that savages. But the apartment was like, you
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: need to be off that hard heart for me to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: really feel. This is what you're trying to give me
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: to feel. Really, I thought the savages it was that
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: like old school colonial, this is why we deserve to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: take this. That's a nice see. That was part of
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: my Tarantino. I was like, oh man, they should say
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: a nigger and Morphet Morpheet have not enough feet? Can
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I see? Okay his feet? I need to see how
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Coheat's feet. For the love of God, more feet. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: mean that has been the main criticism Black Panther, not
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that one Rotten Tomatoes reveal where in Africa we know
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: they don't wear shoes. Were on the feet? Wait, we
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: do see Tolla's feet though he has Yeah, by the way,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that was the only kind of like my nigga, you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: got African feet, like those were the most African feet.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh am, I looking at my dad's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: feet off. I mean between the beard work and the feet,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I said, this is a true story, is a documentary.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler is pulling a punch it. Oh my god,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: feed him Like y'all couldn't even dress them up a
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: little bit, man, I see that. That's that's look. I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: know how my feet look. If they're like, if we're
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: gonna show c G, I c G, I would definitely
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: say I need a foot dumble very real. Okay. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: have been known to scratch up Andy's little leg at
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the time. Okay, I have an African heel. Okay, it
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: takes the extra work. I don't always put it in
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: so I could. Yeah, I really liked that we got
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: to see Wakonda like in all of it's because one
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of the things that bothered me about for all the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: things I liked about Wonder Woman, is that we don't
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: get to see the world that our hero comes from
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a lot. And it's such as how you saying, Yeah,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that was something that I was worried about going into
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: this movie, is like we're going to be introduced to Wakonda,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and I had to do research into the comic books
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to know what I was like setting myself up for
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: because I was like, there is this huge world that
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we're going into and I'm worried that we'll barely get
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: to see it. But I felt like it was like
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: for the relatively short runtime, like it was like fully real,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: fully explored, and we got to like see it because
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: because so often I feel like we start with like
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes of origin story and then we're out and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: we're in like Toronto for two hours or some ship.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It was like, well, they shot it right in South Korea,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: South Africa and then randomly some Atlanta, Georgia and stuff. Um,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and I love the way you used Georgia for like
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: or yeah, I landed per se, but like Georgia general
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, kind of dusty, kind of dirty,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: can really double as a lot of places. But it
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: was like I could tell I sort of like, oh,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: they're in actual Africa, you know what I mean, or
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: even they were just establishing shots. It did like make
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: all that stuff feel you know, this beautiful residence. Yeah,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna connect with my strange father. Yeah yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I sell Black Panther and thought, maybe you know we
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: should talk. Make sure you lead with you. No, I'm
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: gonna tell him exactly why I'm not going to lead
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: him to believe that he's done something. Ryan Coogler brought together.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: One of the very few kind of like grapes I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: have in this movie is that I think that the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: queen character was a little and I don't know if underwritten,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: but like I kind of wish she had more of
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: a stance on things or just like mort yeah, because
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it's right, she's a mom, it's there. Yeah, that was
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: kind of like a cutting dry maternal but I hope,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I mean now that I know that there's a four
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: hour cut of this movie, and like about Angela Bassett
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: hit the cutting room Florida, Man, you have to leave
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: so much for that new show one, which I look,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I want to get into it. I want to surprive,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: but like, there's no way angel La Bassett is ever
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: going to play blue collar for me. I'm like, I'm
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: sorry to get out of here. Now. Why is this
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: queen in a copy uniform? So we touched on this
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: already a little bit, but there are countless scenes where
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: women are kicking us assisting black Panther in whatever mission
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: they're on, Like, like we said, it's usually him and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: then several women. So there's like the scene very early
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: on in Nigeria to Challa shows up. He interrupts, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: think it's a mission that Nikia is on. I don't
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: know if it has to do with like human trafficking
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, so she's trying to put an end
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to that. He kind of he like shows up and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: he's like, my dad's dad, please come to my ceremony,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and she's like, you ruin my mission. But um a
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: fight breaks out. But before that was like you're going
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to see her and you're gonna freeze. He's like, no,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I'm nice. She's like you're gonna need my help. He's like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I'll be fine, and then he freezes because she's so
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: strong and powerful that he's like and then does have
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: to like step in save him. And then I think
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it's fine, but it's like you see you right away
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the movie. After the flashback in Oakland, the next thing
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: we see is that one in Nigeria, and so like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: right away, we're just seeing two women kicking ass. Then
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: there's a sequence in South Korea. First they're in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: casino and then it transfers to out in the street
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: when they're basically trying to capture Claw and stop him
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: from doing the deal with the vibranium and it's Nikia
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Akoa and then Shari is like remote, she's still in Wakonda,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: but she's like doing the whole like driving the car
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: black Panther. She's leading him. Okay, she's in charge of
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: him arriving right, So it's like, can you have a
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: driver's license like yourself right when you build the car? Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: So it's three women and one man fighting all the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: bad guys, and it's just like, oh, I can watch
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: those scenes over and over again. Towards the end, we've
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: got a koy A and the other warrior women fighting
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: kill Monger and then she goes off and fights sort
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: of the rest of the people and then the Kia
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: and sureI fight him. So it's like this rapid fire,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: like a bunch of women fighting the bad guy. It's
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm like speechless with how cool it is
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to watch. I mean, a Koya stopped the war. She
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: literally stopped the battle, you know what I mean, Like
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: she literally causes Wakabi to put down his wampa get
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: on his knees, and all the other men follows. Yeah,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: because you think it's a big moment when the Jabari
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: show up right, because that's another you're like, oh, they're
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: gonna shut this down, and then it was actually her.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I mean just I think the most perfect image is
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: that rhinoceros, her stepping in front of it. It's been
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: bringing it to a halt, you know what I mean
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: that it licks her, you know, and you're just like, oh, yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: who in charge here? You know what I'm saying, Like
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: she literally just got that massive animal to stop in
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: its tracks and she's like all right, we don't do this.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: But in the Beauty Is that scene ends with all
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: those men bowing to women like And what was a
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: cool little note that like was an extra kind of
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: cherry on top was when the Jabari did show up,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: they made an effort to show a female Jabari warrior
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: kill someone before. So it showed, you know, our man
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: named Baku's like grab yanks someone throws him. But then
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: in the next shot you see like, nope, they got
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: females too, and they're kicking ask like it really you
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: could tell there was an effort put to be like, no,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: we're showing that women are kicked just as much. Acid
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: isn't like you know, this isn't A dude came to
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: save the day. It's like this dude's army came. Another
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about is like, you know,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: in a lot of action movies, I find that when
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: you do have kick ass women, usually there's another woman,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a woman for the women to fight, and it's like
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: two women fighting. I think the only one you didn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: really see that with was like Atomic Blonde, where like
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and she was the super kick ass woman and she
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: was going toe to toe with dudes. But like in
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: this one, it was like no, Also, no women betrayed
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the thing. All the women were loyal in this movie,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and all the women were on the good side. Yeah, well,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: even like A I thought it was interesting again what
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: we said about them being their own people, Like you
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: know the scene between Lupitita, I'm just like Lupita a
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: koy Tony, you know, I'm just calling. But you know
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: where you really did see kind of like I don't
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: necessarily It's like I didn't agree with a Koya in
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: that moment where she's like I serve the throne whoever's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: on it, Like it was a tough You're like, well,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this is this, this is this character's you know, code
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: of ethics. Whether we are at least has a code, right,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, she's not comfortable, but she's like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: what do I have to do? Then she finally steps up,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: but then it comes back to in the end her
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: love of country, which was her you know what I mean, like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: which is her backbone anyway we know, like I'm just
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a spine. It's an extra friend, you know, And how
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, you're a fighter too, you know
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: what you mean? You don't just lurk. I think she
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: has an arc, Like she goes It's like women never
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: even get arcs most of the time in movies. So
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, because she goes from like and then
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: she's sort of it's grappling with this thing. It's like,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: who am I loyal to the fact that she's struggling
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: with something so complicated is like great, Like we don't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: see women do that in movies. And it's crazy because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and I feel like it speaks to like the performance
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and the writing of like there's not a ton of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: screen time spent on that particular issue, but every time
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: she's there, you feel that, and it's it's like, yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: we can we can write female characters who have these
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: inner struggles, even if it is a movie that's primarily
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: about a man. And I also I really liked the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: tone of I feel like a lot of times in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: action movies, and I'm not particularly into action movies, but
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: like a lot of times when there are women in battle,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the movie kind of goes out of its way to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: congratulate itself on being like, look we showed a woman fighting,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: girl power, right and that I was like that that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: really fucking bothers me when it's like, look, we whatt
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a girl in it? Is that you do you like,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: maybe we have a trophy and it's like no, no,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: like the way the warriors are treated are as equals
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: and they're fighting each other and yeah, like it's like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you're saying if it's like Coogan's not going out of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: his way to be like, hey, look I I included women,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Like it's so normal, It's just what it is. It's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: also like, you know, I know, people called out Wonder
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Woman's costuming and stuff. I noticed definitely immediately they were
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: fully covered that they you know, because they are bald
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to you know. It was tricky with Wonder Woman because
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: don't worry, I did cry during it. So it's like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: don't feel it, but there is this sense sometimes of um,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it gets a little sexy, you know. You get your
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: swoma where it's like a fucking hair hair, you know
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and it's like a close and on
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: abs and contortion, you know. Um. And this one it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: was now that they weren't beautiful, but it was so
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: much about like strength and power. Yeah, it was less
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: about like the women are never sexualized, like even when
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, even when you see them look beautiful showing
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: up in Korea and Lupete has got the stank face
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: what I mean, she isn't like the wig, you know.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: So even if it's like they look great, but she's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: just like me alone, you know what I mean. She
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: does not want to be bothered, even in that moment
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: where it's like they are unapologenically sexy. Right, my god,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the figures, the bodies that addresses everything about it. There's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: no sort of like so often in especially action movies,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: where there is like one female character which is sort
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of most of Wonder Woman too. You get the first
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes in themishere, but then she would she usually
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: one like it is her movie, and then for the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: month of the movie she is the one woman surrounded
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: by these men, and she's also has to kind of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: prove to them that she's not crazy. You know, I no,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: come on, we've got to come together, and they're like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: this broad I thought about that a lot since we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: recorded our Wonder Woman episode, because we recorded it so
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: soon after we both saw it where I was still like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: but like, I've seen it two times since then, and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it is there's a lot about that movie that's like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: there are those moments where she's hot and proving herself
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to World War One soldiers and it's like they're why
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: why does it always have to be a question? I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: also didn't like the bait like there was again I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: think again my tears were in that opening sequence, like
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I love that part, but then we get to this
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: point where what I don't like is that she, as
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: a result of not being connected to the world, she
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: was infantilized, you know what I mean, like where everything
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: is like new to her. The born Sexy Yesterday troup
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: is Yeah. Pop Culture Detective did a video about it
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: about this trump that's super common a lot of like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: sci fi movies, Oh yes, yes, where it's like a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: fully grown sexual woman who was like I'm a baby, yeah,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: which is super the second like you identify that trupe,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you're like like why but there yeah, and and that's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: absent from this movie. Yeah. Yeah, you know. The women
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: are always an authority. Like if we jump to the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: scene where they're questioning Claw and like she sees like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: a on the screen, she walks up to him in
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Kareem's like yo, what's that and he's just like, oh,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: this is what it is. Like he's never like who
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: are you or like you know, like yeah, he was like, oh,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: this is what's going on and then uh, or like
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: that wonderful scene where like her and Chadwick are having
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the conversation in your shot like in front of Ross
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: doing like a just a perfect African job of how
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: they talk ship in their language while staring right at you,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and he's like, does she speak English? And she's like
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: when she wants to and shut up, you know, like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: you get out of here. Like never once are they
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: made to look dumb or in secondary to anyone. They're
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: always an authority. And that was like real cool. The
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: whole thing was like I'm not even that you know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that scene really highlights it. But the whole ideas like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not here for you, you know, I'm not here
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: for you to make you feel better, because they don't
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: say what you want to hear all the damn dib,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to have sex with you, or they
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: don't even really you know, they don't even have the moment,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: either of them, because I definitely thought it would come
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: into play because they do look so good going into
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that Cristino scene. There was not a moment where they, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: you sex to trick someone. That happened, you know what
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like she's in a skin tight dress working
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it and there's never anything where like a man, you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, She like plays with a man's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: idiocy to get her way. It's like, no, I'm gonna
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: do my job, and then when it's time to fight,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I fight. You know. Yeah, you don't even get the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: feeling that she's wearing the dress for anyone, but just
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: because that's what she wanted to She's like, we have
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: to look fancy, we're going to part it right. It's like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: but yeah, they don't do that thing, which I think
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: you see obviously all the time, and it's always meant
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: to be obviously A comment on male stupidity, but it
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: is still it's become a trope that it's now it's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: it feels lazy when it happens, right. Also, something I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: thought about is, like, you know, you have the scene
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: where Michael B. Jordan's his like Bonnie and Clyde girl,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: he just like shoots her. Oh yeah, and it's like
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: straight up and I feel like in a movie without
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: any of these strong women, it probably would have made
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: me go, come on, you know. But it's it's that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: thing that we talk about where like when people like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: this isn't a big deal. This isn't because it was,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: like it wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the only thing that you know that goes on. But
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the simple fact that you have so many strong women,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: so many women with like speaking roles, so many that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: like killing her off like it doesn't matter to make
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: that statement doesn't ring as hollow as it normally does
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: when you have your fridging scene. But that also I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: think tells you, you know, because of how he does
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: set up femininity, it's exactly how you know he's a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: bad guy. Yeah, when we don't know the fact that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: he takes a woman out so soulnestly when it's clearly
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: they did have some sort of sexual bond, you know,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: and she's even like, I'm sorry, you know, she says
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: that for a second, he's like, my bitch, it lets
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: you know immediately, oh he's no good, right, And he's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: also like, you ain't what kind boy? You know what
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't roll with the way we roll
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: up in here. We don't be shooting him out, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: all three times to gasp on that feel that you're like, oh,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: because you are like this is this is his girl.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: This is like she's been for all one of his
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: highest they're always making out like I got a bigger mission.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Like right, he kills a few women because towards the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: end he one of the warriors. And then in the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: early I think the only white woman you see in
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the entire movie is that British woman at yeah who
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she dies, but she gets poisoned,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. It hits her with a straight
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: up hotep speech when it's like oh you think, uh so,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: how do you think your ancestors got this? Huh? And
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, we get it. Your look was like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: with her coffee, and I was like, okay, I think
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: you can leave now exactly. But I also looked how
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: extra he looked at that scenies. Yeah, it was like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: so extra because it was like the layers of denim.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Was it a vest or there's a jacket over the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: jacket Brodie Reid, you know that comic. Yeah, Brodie Reid
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: has that exact same jacket and the exact same Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like he was wearing your glasses between He
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: was giving so many looks in the museum and I thought,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, honestly, your lucky security didn't come to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you close. It was like, you're very extra right now,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I was, I mean, you do feel that when when
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Michael b takes that lady out, I don't remember did
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: she did she have a name that character? I don't
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: know if we are but we called her relaxed Hair
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and then she was taken out and that was the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: big That was the bigger message in the movie is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the one woman without she gotta god. I feel like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: that was like you were saying, like it's like a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: villain moment because it's hard for like even though I
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: you go into it, you're like, oh, Michael Be's the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: bad guy, but it's like hard for Michael Be to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: lose me, and I want he killed the lady. I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, he kind of last. That's a great
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: way to lose me in the movie, straight up murder
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: a woman because I'll forgive a lot and a hot villain. Yeah,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: we know about your take on Spider Man too, and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Alfred my my dog. Thick villain. Yeah, well I love
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: a thick villain, look at my romantic history. But that
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: also that leads me to another thing I wanted to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: talk about as far as like tropes in superhero movies
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: in general. So I would say of the movies that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: we've done so far in this podcast, we see a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: trend of movies with a female protagonist faring better in
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: terms of their portrayal of women. Movies with male protagonists
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: usually get like a one nipple rating. So The Black
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Panther is like a rare example of a movie with
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: a male protagonist that services its female characters extremely well,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: because like not every movie needs to have a female protagonist. Like,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: women make up roughly fifty of the people, like we um,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: so men identifying people would make up that. But then
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: there's also gender queer and non binary people who make
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: up a small percentage of people as well. But because
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: like I think it's somewhere around seventy percent of movies
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: feature a male protagonist, so we see this huge like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: gender and balance in terms of movies. But I think
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: it is the responsibility of movies that do have a
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: male protagonist to still treat its female character as well.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: So food them do Black Panther does. What does suck
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: is that this movie still follows a trend of a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: superhero movie with a male protagonist. I'm hoping with the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: success of Wonder Woman will see like a shift in
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that soon, but this still follows a trend of being
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: a superhero movie with a male protagonist. But I think
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: it goes to great lengths to subvert the troops that
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: we see in superhero movies. The troops that like that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: are specific to the treatment of women. I've made a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: list of just a few of them. I'm sure there
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: are dozens more. How many different colors, fonts, highlights, it's
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of crazy. Okay, I'm so lame. Wait, it's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: almost like she went to grad school. So some of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: the troops include they're only being one female main character,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: she's poised as the love interest in pretty much nothing else.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: She's given no agency, she's given little or no backstory,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: She's given little or no goal or desire outside of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: being with the male hero. Very often she disappears for
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes at a time, and then she comes back.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh did she come back? For often because
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: she was captured, held as bait uh and she's not
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: able to fight, she has to be saved by the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: male hero. Black Panther subverts all of these trips, like
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: women are never damseled, they're given agency, they have their
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: own lives around fact stories. We have already talked about that.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: There is one tiny moment where Captain Kidding, where kill
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Monger has his like spear or whatever raised above sureI
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: and is like probably about to kill her, and Black
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Panther does have to like throw him out of the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: way basically, But that moment it didn't even register for
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: me until my third viewing because it's so quick and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: it's not It doesn't feel like she's damseled and she
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: has to be saved because up until that point she
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: had been fighting, and then after that point she's continues
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: fighting that to me felt like a team moment. Yea,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: and being siblings helped him because women save male warriors
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: asks so many times in this movie that it was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: like exactly, yea. And compare that sequence to the ending
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: of for example, Spider Man Too, where Mary Jane is
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: literally in shackles cannot do anything. But we all know
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that that's really Alpha Mollinas movie, Like we could have
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: chained up the whole, like we would just be like,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: let's just everyone else get out of frame, let them
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: in flex with his claws. Damn it. Uh. Yeah. The
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: one time she, like Mary Jane, tries to do anything,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: she's immediately flung out of the way. She's literally thrown
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: out of the climax of the movie. That happens to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: women all the time, movies where there What was the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: movie we did recently where like the female protagonist, it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: was Pacific rim where I wake up at the end
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: basically like they get knocked out and then they come
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: to when it's all been solved, right the movie make
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: him worry. She is literally launched out of the climactic
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: scene of that movie. There there, she's sealed up in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: a little pod and they're like seal at her bitch
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and then and then we see her at the end
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: for a little nuzzle, and it's just like fud there,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and that movie doesn't I mean, I just I anytime
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: a woman's lawn start at the climax of the movie,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, okay, cool, that doesn't great. Let
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: us know how it ends, right. Another thing I want
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about is I labeled this section men be
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Crying because you see no less than five men in
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: this movie crying, which is a mate like showing men
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: crying in movies sends a message to men and young
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: boys who are seeing the movie that it's okay to cry.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: That the new queer eyes just men crying. And I've
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: never touched like. I watched it all yesterday and I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: was like, why is everyone you know going crazy over this?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, correct, men cry the entire time.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: White men, black men, young men, old man. Everyone's crying.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: It fed me. It was mana, it was man nectar. Okay,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. I'm saving it. I'm
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: saying it for a dark days. I'm saving it for
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: when I need it. And then I'm canceling everything clear
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: my schedule. I've got queer eyes. Yeah, because I feel
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: like so much of toxic masculinity stems from men not
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: being able to emote and feel their feelings and like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: be expressive of their feelings. So the fact that you
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: see to Challa crying, you see his dad to Chaka crying,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: You see Zuri, who we haven't really talked about, but
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it's for a Whittaker's character. You see Joebu crying, that's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: certainly k brown. And you see kill Monger crying. You
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: see five men shedding tears, kill Monger adulter kill. I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: think the adult. Yeah, how does it feel as a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: black man is see black? Oh it's great. I didn't
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: feel this clean since just back to being cleans. Yeah,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: they went to a sniffle city, yes, there, but the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: moments when men were crying this movie, I'm like, oh man,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad this movie is PG thirteen. I'm glad.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that Like, yeah, I'm glad that like young
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: men can see this. Yeah, and your father we're in
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: it again? Sound fine? That kid was Yeah, he's like
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: he's like eleven, He's like everybody dies, And I'm like, well,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: nok go play us some toys. That's reality. No man
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: speaking of toys. So sorry this interesting transition. I know
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the scene where he's trying on his new shoes, she's like, oh,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I call them sneakers. Ha ha. She's like, these are
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: like fully automated shoes, just like the ones in the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: American movie that Baba used to wear. What movie Back
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: to the Future? Okay, that's what I thought, I was
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I assume, yeah, yeah, I was just like did they
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: just make it back to the future? Like it was
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: a very like just a nerd where it's like you
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: have to know to know if you know, you know.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Another thing I wanted to mention is that it's a
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: panther goddess that shows the condoms flower. Okay, you just yeah,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: like panther. Yeah, it's like pussy goddess flower. Like it's like, okay,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: we get it. It's about women, right, and it's does
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: someone say pussy goddess flower? Because it's a flower that
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: gives the black panther his power. Flowers are very feminine
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: little things. And the fact that it's not like some
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: because so many superheres are like, oh, you're very rich
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: and good at technology, and that's why you're a superhero rock.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: H Yeah, you were strong enough to withstand this rock
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: and now you're super so. Yeah. I liked that it
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: was a flower that gives some his powers flower power,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and now you're making a soundless strong Okay, you don't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: ruin the vote for me. Did you know that flower?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: We came forth from the pussy goddess flower. I was
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: gonna say that flower. I was gonna be like, did
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: you know that flowers have eight petals? And I was
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: going to make a fake flower factors, but then I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: remember panthers or cats? Have cats have eight nipples? You know?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: This is cat factor with Caitlin also, yeah, that's crazy
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: that we've been talking about panther and that hasn't come
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: up soon, right, Um? I think the Black Panthers suit
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: should have had eight nipples star to the George Clooney
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: nipple Batman suit. Oh, that would have been so distracted
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: if you look very confused, And it was absolutely not
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: because I could picture it because I remember that Batman
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: suit was like, oh man, yeah, could anyone actually summarize
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: that movie? Or we were we so transfixed by the nips?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I stand for the nips. Okay, good, I'm here for
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: the nips. Something that's been talked about a lot in
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: this movie is colorism and how it's very rare to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: see dark skinned black people. It was the greatest moment
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: of my life. I love it. I love light skinned
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: people have been tripping over there's no yeah, because you're
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: in everything else. Give us this. You have Shamar Moore
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: who's in there having just weird threesomes, so give us this,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: and you at most rap videos like so it literally
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: did make me feel better because I'm constantly like because
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been going out on auditions, like when
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: my first is my first go in l a pilot season,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and what it is to kind of go in for
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: stuff and even just to read the script like I
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: when I was like, this is for a white woman,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when I literally read
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: it and I'm like, okay, Like so how much work
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: do I put in here? How likely is this? My
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: whole big thing is. I was like, I'm never gonna
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: be on TV. My eyes are too small. Everyone has
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: big eyes like dinner plates. And then I was like
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: watching I was like, actually, like no, not all most
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: black people don't. I was like, oh, that's like a thing,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's a white standard
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: of beauty. And then when I was watching that movie
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, no, maybe I'm okay, Maybe
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: I'm okay. I will shave my head though, but I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: was like, but it was I don't know. It was
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: like just on that very minor level where I was like, Okay,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not so bad, but it's unfortunate that it's
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: either a totally black world or it's like the one
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: black person supporting a Caucasian dream. I mean, but anybody.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: It was so great, and I was like, oh god,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I'm lighting all those black people so well, picking up
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: all the tones. One of the very few females and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a photographer in this one awesome. Her name is Rachel
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Morrison and she was the she did mud and she
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: isn't she nominated? Is the first I did not know
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: this first the first woman. Yeah, first female cinema talkingper ever,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: because cinematographers are almost never women on like mainstream, big
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Hollywood movies. Yeah. One last thing I wanted to say,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: do you think that there is a surprise kiss at
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the end of this movie? There's a kiss? A fan
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: mentioned it might be a surprise kiss because he kind
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: of So it's after the whole battle, Te'challa and the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Kia are hanging out in the city and he's like,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: please stay, please, you can do men do a lot
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: of begging in this movie, which is like a pretty
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: times very sexually charged. For me, it was like this,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I love there. Yeah, but continued so like yeah, he
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was like, you can do what you want to do.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I have like an idea for you, because her whole
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: thing has been she wants to basically do like outreach
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: and use the resources that Wakonda has to help other
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: parts of the world, and he's like, yeah, we can
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: like figure out a way for you to do that
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: with also like staying here with me. She's like, and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: please be my girlfriend, and then he like swoops in
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: and kisses her. It's not in a situation where like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: she was necessarily expecting it or prepared for it. I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: read it as kind of a surprise kiss. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: But then he like kind of backs away. He's like, sorry,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I had to I almost died like that. But then
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: she leans in and kisses him, so she returns it. Right.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: It's not I mean, on the on the spectrum of
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: surprise kisses, the worst of course being The Mummy, a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: feral Brendan Fraser leaping out of a cage and kissing
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: a woman who immediately falls in love with him, which
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: is like cartoonish. I feel like this was sort of
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: a surprise kiss and I feel like, because I just
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: saw this movie, I was like, because that's how movies
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: condition us to feel about the surprise cast. Sometimes I
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: did appreciate that she returned it, so it wasn't like
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think it kind of Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was just in the sense that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: they had history, and I feel like when you're around
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: your ax and you're like, what's up. Sorry, And I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: also't like that he I also do like that he
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: acknowledged like, yo, I did kind of press the gas. Yeah,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: plant the gas. And then she was like, all right,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: you did this time, but next time, well it was
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: and maybe I missed it, but that was the only
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: time he joked. That was the only funny line he
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: said in the movie. You know, he was not the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: funny one. And so he's like, I almost died, and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you're kind of like, you know, I did, I know
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: because at that registered to be and then I was
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: just like, but it. But part of me also wonders
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: if it was like because I'm to be misremembering the trope,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: But isn't it usually like the girl does a small
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: kiss and then like the guys like, yeah, it's time.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: So I was wondering if it was a flip on that. No,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the surprise kisses the trope and the girls like it's okay,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't remember a lot. I mean,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: it goes both, but I think normally it is like
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: a man comes in for a kiss that the woman
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: is surprised about remember arms going from open, takes it
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: in the kiss into her heart, where when the kiss starts,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, this could go either way, this could go
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: either way. But almost every time it's like, no, she
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: just fell in love somehow got radioactive fox saliva, She's
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: gonna whatever. Thinking at the funny characters, though, it's all
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the women. All the women have all the left line.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah except for Hembako think Zaddimbak, who really has some
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Are you done? He was here? He was just here,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: he was just here. Sorry, y'all. I have a million
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: bottles in front of me. I am I have an
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: unquenchable thirst drinking. That's what happens when I think about Lupita, right,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: and every strong woman, I'm like, man like. I figured
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: that out in Atomic Blonde, that like women kicking men's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: asses like Wolf. That's fool. My god, I just haven't
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: been allowed to see it. I know, it's like, this
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: is what I need. Right, Um, let's talk about whether
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: or not the movie passes the Bechtel tests. It passes
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: it next, I'm sorry, I don't know about it. There
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: are a lot of scenes where women are talking about,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: usually to Challa, so they do not pass. I found
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: a few that can. I take a guess, just just
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: just a free ball. My first guest is the scene
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: outside the Korean club where they're discussing her previous time there,
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  Speaker 1: and they only she mentions to Challa and them as
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: a group once, but besides that, they're just talking about
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: why she's bad news and the thing she did last
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: time she came. She's speaking so because it's Nikia talking
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  Speaker 1: to the Korean woman, right, because she does have a name,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: she's given a name Sophia, I think it is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's one of my contenders. Is a passing. This
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: is a table in Klys. I can't see it, but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing you're not wrong, and I think it's either
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  Speaker 1: right before that or right after that Akoi is wearing
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  Speaker 1: the wig. She's like, I can't wait to get this
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous thing off my head, and Nikki is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it looks nice. Just whip it back and forth, and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: then Akoi is like disgrace, which I think is a
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: dig at willow Smith, but it does pass the Backelt
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: because they're talking about her wig. And then there's a
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  Speaker 1: scene towards the end in the big battle where Nikia
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: and sure He kind of meet up and one of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: them is like, are you all right? And then I
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm okay you, Yes, let's go. That
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  Speaker 1: passes a lot of these other ones, though I think
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about because is like a scene where Nikia
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: and the Queen. The Queen's like when they have the
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  Speaker 1: herb that they stole from the garden, right before it
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  Speaker 1: gets burned, She's like, you have to be the one
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  Speaker 1: to take this because if we give it to Umbaku,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: he's going to create an even bigger monster potentially, and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm a spy without an army, I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: don't stand a chance. So that like kind of passes
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  Speaker 1: at the very very end of that conversation, I think.
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  Speaker 1: But up until that, I mean, what about this scene
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  Speaker 1: where Nikia comes to a Koyer and she asked her
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: to revolt, and she says before that, she's like your
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: spy who comes and goes as you leave? And then uh,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: she's like, who do you serve? And then she's like,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I serve my country, and then a Koya goes, well,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: I serve the throne no matter who sits up there,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: so she doesn't necessarily say a man. She's saying it's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the throne, which I also thought was badass because she's like,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: oh fu tchalla jadaka who sits there? It's that's who
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: I say. Yeah, they start out being like, oh, let's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: overthrow kill Monger and you're like no, and then they're like,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: but I love to Chila. It's the love part. But
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: other than that, I think the combo fly yeah, and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: that conversation ends being I think the key is like
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I love my country, and then Aqua is like, then
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: you serve your country, and she's like, I save my country.
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  Speaker 1: That pass so many like good lines like you're still
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: is literally thirty combined years of Okay, those black actors
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: who show up can't just be basic. Okay, you need
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: a fucking Juilliard degree to throw a spear, you know
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like everybody there is like like, oh,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the acting was so good. I was like, cause, these
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: bitch has been fucking you know, doing theater for forty
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: five years, all got m f as. It's not you
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like none of them were
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: found on YouTube, so you're getting extra level shit. Yeah yeah,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Um all right, let's write the movie on our nipple scale.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: So we've got a zero to five nipple scale ratings
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: specifically based on its portrayal of women. So put your
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: nips on the table a time to do it. I
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: think I'm giving it a five nipple rating. The fact
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: that you see women just kicking as the whole time,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: having agency, having desires, having skills. They're all women of color.
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  Speaker 1: We rarely see this on screen where strong black women
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: get to just like kick as, at least in mainstream
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Hollywood movies. This movie is a triumph for women. This movie,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I hope will be just like a cultural landmark for
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: years to come. I'm so glad this movie exists. I
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: hope that everyone sees it millions of times. Carolyn, do
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: you like this movie? I think I think that women
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: are represented so well in this movie. I was speaking
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to this earlier, like, it's not every single movie has
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: to have a woman protagonist, but of the movies that
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: do have a male protagonist, I think it's important still
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: obviously to do justice to its female characters, and this
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: movie does an excellent job of that. I'm giving it
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: five nipples Nikia koay A and sure he I'll get one,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: so does Angela Bassett. And my final nipple goes to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I think I want to give it to Imbaku, yes,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: because he was like all geared up to be like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: he was sort of established as this like kind of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: the most toxic in his masculinity of all the male characters,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: and then he came around and we were like, great,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He's also very handsome. I'm gonna go,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go four and a half just because I'm
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit I'm gonna go I'm gonna go for
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: and half. There's like there are a few little things
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: with this movie. Wasn't crazy about the surprise. Kiss wish
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: that the queen character had been given a little more depth,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: a little more things to do. But I mean, obviously
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: everything I agree with that you're saying. There's is it's
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: so rare to see a movie where when men are
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: represented not only as capable, but respected by the men
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: who surround them and really working on equal footing the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: entire time. They have romantic lives, but they're not identified
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: by their romantic lives. It's just it's great, There's I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: don't I don't have that much to add. I really
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: liked it. I'm excited to see the director's cut to
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: see what, like more there was that we didn't get
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: to see, because there's like little moments where it's like, yeah,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to see these two women talk more,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: these or even these two characters. Um, I would have
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: loved to see like a softer side of a Koya.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm I feel like that probably exists somewhere. I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: just haven't seen it. So I give it four and
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: a half. I'm giving two to Sure because I just
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: I just love her. I love that little baby genius.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Giving two to Imbaco because he's my crash and we
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: must give things to our crushes and the last half
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: to Okoya. Yeah five knits maybe literally at all For
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: me comes down to that moment when a Core is
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: staring at Wikabi and he's like, would you really kill me?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: And she's like, for Wakanda, I will kill a man
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: for I will kill my love right, and the person
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: she's like, I have bigger dreams or I am tied
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: to more than you, and I think you don't see that.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: It's I think, especially superhero movies, it's all kind of like,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the idea that you employ your powers, you
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: do whatever for love, right. It's always like to get
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: this person to save this person. You know, you killed
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: my parents and I have to avenge them. It's a
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: love thing. And this was so much. You know, this
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: movie was about the bigger It was about country, it
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: was about nationality, home, spirit, those bigger things, and the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: men kind of came second to that. You know. Even
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: in the conversations about T'Challa, mostly they're about him as king,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: as ruler of this nation, not as man I love
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: you know, so you kind of again, it's like he's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: a symbol, you know, in a lot of ways, he's
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: he's the symbol and the women are like the people
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: grappling with the symbol, which makes sense. Five nips maybe
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: five hot nips them to three go to ok, yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: to go to Nikia nice perfect. Yeah, I'm gonna go
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: ahead and drop five cocoa butter moisturized, you know, the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: super chocolate Ariola, Like yeah, same, the same for me,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: where it's like, not only does it pass the Bechdel,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you do see women be like men don't matter.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: And I think what really drives it home for me
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: is like without the women in this movie, they couldn't
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: have won. They could not have won. And I feel
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: like a lot of action movies that have women, you
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: can take the woman out and they're either no longer
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: a burden or like it would be a little harder
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: but they'd be fine. But the movie would literally stop
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: without those women. It took Nikia's foresight to like, let
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: me get one of these herbs that I might need this.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: It took them like going up to Umbaku in the cold.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, angela basset don't do well in
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: the cold. You know, it's those those dreads were holding
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: in all that winter, and you know, and what what
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: was Imbo, do you just have to cholott on ice?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: You just got this cold nigger just in your house forever, Like,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: what was the plan? He had no plane, he had
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: no plan. He just yeah, like, I'm gonna just wait
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: till the dust settle and I'll figure out what to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: do with this icy ass right here. So like you
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: needed those women for it to be success, and for like,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: even without kill Monger, Black Panther would not be who
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: he is without Suri's it is built around and you
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: know it and her tech is a real pinnacle of
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: the movie. You see it used. You see it in
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the sneakers. You see it used with the balls that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: thrown off her knocked him out with his own suit,
• 1:33:51
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• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: first words out of Shrey's mouth is teaching her older
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: brother about tech. Where she's like, just because it works
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can't make it better. So yeah, just
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: lots of women in charge. So I'm definitely given to
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: to Sherry to do Koya, and I guess one to Nikita.
• 1:34:13
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• 1:34:15
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