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Ohio State Recruiting: Are The Buckeyes About To Bring In Their Biggest Secondary Class Ever? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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The spring game just one week away. That's gonna be a busy weekend of
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visits for the Ohio State Buckeyes as they ramp up their recruiting efforts in the
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classes of twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven and beyond.
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Buckeys have had a very busy time on the recruiting trail the last week
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or so, adding four commitments. One of them was from four star safety
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prospect to Shawn Stewart. On today's episode, You're gonna be hearing from Kevin
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Noon and Mark Givler on the Skull Session Recruiting podcast. They talked about the
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commitment of to Shawn Stewart and where he could fit in what could be one
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of the biggest and best Ohio State secondary recruiting classes ever. Could the Buckeyes
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end up with seven or eight players in the secondary. It sounds like it
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is at least a possibility, So gonna let Mark and Kevin break that all
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down for you again on the Skull Session Recruiting podcast. If you enjoy this
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one, and I always enjoy listening to these guys talk recruiting, you can
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We'll talk to you tomorrow. Hello everyone, Welcome to the Skull Session recruiting
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podcast, brought to you by Buckeye Huddle dot Com. I'm Mark Givlick,
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got Kevin Noon with me here today. It was a very busy recruiting weekend
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for Ohio State. Four commitments this past weekend. We've profiled two of them
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already. So for this episode, it is a commitment episode, but it's
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kind of a delayed commitment episode slash positional outlook. We're going to talk about
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the Shawn Stewart, the four star safety out to Paul Katholic in New Jersey.
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We're going to kind of break down his commitment, talk a little bit
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about him as a player, and kind of give an overview of the secondary
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right now because something is eventually going to have to give here with all of
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the defensive backs they are in on and leading for and landing commitments from.
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So that'll be kind of the topic of this episode. We'll have another episode
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running for you here shortly where we go over receiver recruiting, and so you'll
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get back to back upisodes here here in the next twenty four hours, so,
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but this one will be uh secondary centric. You know. First of
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all, Kevin, I guess how surprised were you about this one. We
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talked about all the other defensive backs and several of them were on campus,
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and it's Stuart that comes out of the weekend with you know, pulling the
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trigger in Ohio State accepting the commitment. This to me really kind of shakes
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things up a little bit as far as their secondary recruiting. Yeah, I
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was. I was surprised. Now, once Dez Jones, out of the
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same high school committed, I was like, well, now this is something
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to watch and we didn't have to wait all that long for it to happen.
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But if it would have happened in reverse order, I would have been
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completely mindsided. I would have been I've heard the name, but I don't
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know a whole lot about him. I had just enough time to look at
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his video right before he committed. I'm like, oh, okay, well,
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I'm I'm down with that. I understand it. But you know,
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six' two buck ninety. Some databases had him listened to a corner certainly
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listed as a safety by most. I think that's where you where you look
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at him but you know, to get to the to the main crux of
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things, we thought we knew what Ohio State's board was going to look like.
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I mean, with what's already in the kids that are there already,
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you know, still pursuing be it Fahim de Layne, be it McNutt or
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Brew. And then Stewart crashes the party. And I'm good to say,
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you know, I'm going to use that term liberally. I mean, he
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crashes the party, so to speak. And now you wonder, you know,
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does that mean that they're looking in different directions or is the party just
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going to be bigger than we anticipated? Yeah, I don't think there's any
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question at this point that the party is going to be bigger than we anticipated.
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You know, I've what my immediate kind of thought process went too well,
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you know, did something happen on the visit with Dorian Brew, with
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Fahem Delaane? You know? And the answer is no. I think Ohio
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State's still very optimistic about Fahem Delaine. I think Ohio State's still feeling pretty
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good about Dorian Brew, who's kind of a safety hybrid, which we kind
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of get into a little bit here in a minute. But this was just
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a guy that they like at a position of need. And I just think
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we're gonna have to readjust our expectations on the numbers. I was thinking six
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defensive backs, maybe seven on the high end, if every if they kind
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of hit it on everybody. Now it looks like seven is going to be
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the low end, and this could push to at least eight. Can they
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get nine? I personally don't think they can, but I think we're now
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moving the goalpost from six or seven to seven or eight. And so how
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they try and balance this out? And you know, we'll get into the
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domino effect here in a minute, but it's going to be interesting to kind
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of see how they navigate these these next few spots because there's a lot going
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on right now with defensive back recrewering, which again we'll get into here in
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a minute. But Deshaun Stewart is, you know, as Kevin mentioned,
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was listed as a corner by one or two services. He's he's being recruited
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as a safety. He's he's not a corner for Ohives. He's a safety,
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good size, good athleticism. I think we have some film here we
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can kind of show people, you know, this is this is a program
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that Ohist he has been familiar with over the years. And again he's one
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of those guys who, again, is gonna play it. You're gonna see
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a lot of Corner film at the high school level because because of his size
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and athleticism. And this is a guy who reminds me a little bit of
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Jordan Fuller, because Jordan Fuller coming out was about the same size, about
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the same type of athlete, played corner, played corner at the Army Bowl,
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and I think everyone kind of figured he is probably gonna move to safety
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at Ohio State. I don't know that it was as set in stone as
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it is here with with Deshaun, but a guy who has tremendous ball skills,
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a very physical kid again uses his length and size to get hands on
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a lot of passes, and I think he's just probably best suited for safety,
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maybe not quite the explosiveness you might get out of like a Devin Sanchez
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who's a similar size athlete. So with that said, you probably move them
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over to play like a free safety role. But I like the film and
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and I'm one of those people who you know, yes, there are some
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true safeties out there, like you know Caleb Downs coming out was a true
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safety, you know, even like Von Bell really wasn't. I mean,
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there's been a you know, Malik Hooker was. There's something this works with
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like the true safeties. But I'm more of the guy I like to take
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the corners and move them to safety. I think the more guys you can
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have on the field that can cover, the better. There's so many ways
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now for offenses to get you into a situation where your safeties aren't man coverage,
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and so I'm all for it. As far as taking corners and moving
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them to safety. I think that generally is is a is a good practice.
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Yeah, I'm watching the film here and if you are listening to us
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on one of the podcasting channels, be sure to check us out also at
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YouTube dot com slash Buckeye Huddle. And he's not afraid of contact. He's
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not afraid to lower his head and hit. Now, then again, the
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way that defense has been changing over the years. Better make sure you see
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what you hit and hit what you see or you're going to get flagged.
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But I mean, he shows the physicality of somebody who can play safety.
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Now is he is he? Jayden bondsu going out there and just you know,
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blowing people up. Maybe not exactly, but he's also not a guy
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making a lot of business decisions of being like Ola and letting guys go by
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him. So you know, I like what I've what I've seen in the
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tape, and you know, I really had the opportunity over the last couple
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of days to watch it a couple a couple of times, and I think
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Ohio State is getting itself somebody who probably a little underrated, and depending on
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the rankings on the two four seven composite, he's a four. But I've
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seen him just on the two four seven standard rankings as a three. I
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think he's going to be somebody who ends up as a four, certainly just
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because of some of the schools that were interested in his ultimate commitment to Ohio
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State. Yeah, I like him as a low to mid four. Again,
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I just I see so much Jordan Fuller there, and Jordan was ranked
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similarly a as Deshaun is right now, but just again shore tackler, cover
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skills, ball skills size wise are pretty similar. So that's that's that was
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kind of my immediate and obviously Jordan's a Jersey guy too, so that was
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kind of my immediate thought process when I when I started really kind of diving
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into his film. Now we get into what this all means. So I'm
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gonna sound like a broken record here, but I have to keep repeating it
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because I just I feel like that's the way this is going to go.
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And I don't know how High State's going to avoid it. Is they're not
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going to hit. As I've called it on our site the other day,
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I like the eight or nine man parlay here. Eventually, whether it's someone
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currently in the class or someone they're pursuing who's not currently in the class,
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somebody is either going to lose a spot or make their own decision that you
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know, this is maybe not the ideal situation for them, and maybe take
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a closer look at some of their other options. Who that is actually going
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to be. Your guess is as good as mine. Sorry, I don't
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really have a lot more to say on that, but like when I look
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at things individually, I think they're in great shape for Fahim Delane, I
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think they're in pretty good shape. For Dorian Brew. I think they're in
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pretty good shape. For Tray. I think they're an amazing shape for Cody
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Hadad who, oh, by the way, just decommitted from Wisconsin, and
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you got to think that one's gonna go High State's way. You probably got
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to think that one's gonna go High States way pretty soon, because I don't
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know why he would have opened things up from Wisconsin. You know, he
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may make a few other visits, but he's not opening things up from Wisconsin
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to go to some other big ten school. It's not Ohio State. I
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mean, this is this is to me a a almost a surefire in the
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class guy at this point for Ohio State. So where when does this become
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a thing of like, you know, who's going to be guy number eight
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or guy number nine, who's like, eh, maybe I go to this
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other top ten program because there's just too many bodies here, you see.
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When is you know, really a big question because you know, obviously,
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if Ohio State believes it can get to eight, we'll just use eight as
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a number. Then oh, it's incumbent upon Ohio State to convince all eight
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players that it believes it's going to Land and Woodland that that's the right number.
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And there's there's more than enough opportunity and long seasons and playing guys and
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and I mean elder statesmen will be leaving the program and there'll be more opportunity.
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But I think that once you get closer to the upcoming high school season
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and attention starts to turn away from what is in the longer term my my
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recruitment to what is going up for my senior season of high school football,
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I think that's when maybe some more thought goes into this. I guarantee you,
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anybody recruiting against Ohio State is letting these guys know, how are you
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going to how are you really going to find your path to the field when
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they've got this guy and that guy and that guy. I mean, and
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you're in here and you know we're we're offering you a much you know,
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a much more reasonable path to seeing playing time. So and I think that
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you get through I think you get through the spring, and I think you
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even get through much of the summer. But I think once you get into
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the fall, that's when things can happen. You know, whether or not
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it's somebody who we think is going to be in never materializes because of that,
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or maybe somebody who's in the class and feels that they've already kind of
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been recruited over leaves. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
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we're we're really kind of speaking on hypotheticals at this point. I Mean,
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the only thing I'm pretty sure of is I don't know how you have a
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nine man defensive back class when you miss your number at end and you're I
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mean, as we're going to talk about in a show coming up here very
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shortly, I mean, you probably need more receivers than you realize. I
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mean, this is going to have to be like a forty man class or
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something. If Ohio State's going to hit all these numbers, Yeah, this
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is going to be fascinating. And you know, there's all the usual suspects
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here. So again, they've got the three corner commits already. They've they've
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got We've got Trey McNutt and Dorian Brew out there, Cody Hadad's out there.
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Here's another name, Jaden Hudson was on campus. Four star safety from
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California was on campus this weekend. I've got a story I'm gonna be running
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on him today. Loves Ohio State gushed about the visit, puts out a
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top four Ohio states on it coming back for an official visit in the summer.
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Like that's a name now that has to be thrown into this mix too,
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Like this isn't just the same like eight guys we've been talking about now
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Stuartson. So now you're at nine guys that were kind of focused on.
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Now Hudson's talking about you as a top contender for that's ten guys. Like
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something's got to give here now that this is an unbelievable problem to have.
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This is this is the best of problem you could possibly have. I think
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if you're Ohio State is trying to figure this out, that you have too
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many good options in the secondary and you certainly need a lot of safeties.
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You know, you've lost a couple to the portal. You moved Sonny Styles
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down to linebacker. Laythan Ransom's gone after this year, John Carter's gone after
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this year, Caleb Downs has gone after next year. You're basically looking at
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like a couple of young guys right now. And that's it a on a
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team that probably needs to have six to seven safeties. I mean you're playing
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two or three something. I mean sometimes you're playing three. I know they've
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kind of transformed the Nickels kind of more of a corner roll now, But
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there's there's times you're playing three safeties so you have a full two deep.
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At that point, you really need six at least, So they do have
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to replenish the safety room and they do have to replenish the corner room.
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I think they're gonna lose their top three corners after this year. I mean,
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there's no reason, you know, Denzel Burke and Jordan Hancock are gonna
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be gone. Is Davison Banos's gonna be back? Not if he plays.
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If he takes a small step up from when he played. I thought he
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played at a very high level last year. He takes another small step up
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at his size, athleticism, competitiveness, He's in a first round draft pick.
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So you may be losing your top three corners after this year. And
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then you look and like Jermaine Matthews is like the next guy up, Well,
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you next year, Jermaine Matthews a third year player. What's to say
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Jermaine Matthews couldn't be in the NFL? You know after next season? Well
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you know, the you're Caleb Downs goes to the NFL. So there's a
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lot leaving the program right now. So I get that they need all these
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guys. I just don't know how they're gonna convince every guy they want that
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this is gonna work. And again, it's just the thing I've been saying
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for a couple of months now. It's not so much that I can sit
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here and tell you they're not gonna get this guy or they don't lead for
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this guy. It's not even that I think they do lead for pretty much
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all these guys save for maybe Jaden Hudson. But like, you can't You're
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not gonna be able to convince eight of these guys to do this. You're
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gonna have to at some point tell somebody either tell somebody like hey, we're
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or someone's gonna do that for you. They're just they're not going to hit
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this parlay. And I wish I wish I had more answers just to like
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who they're going to miss on because right now, again on an individual standpoint,
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it looks great for everybody, but eventually someone is going to look at
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this and be like, Nope, yeah, I mean you do if you
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are one of these eight nine ten players, and I mean and some of
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them are already committed, so then let me move them into a different bucket.
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But if you're one of the uncommitted players, do you move quicker to
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try and secure a spot, do you slow down to try and see how
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things play out? If you're in now, does that mean you're in later?
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I mean, if what happens if some guys slow down and we're still
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looking at the same board of ten and two or three more names emerge.
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I mean, I'm not betting against Tim Walton out there on the recruiting trail.
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It's you know, there there are no answers really at this point.
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They're just I mean, I, you know, I don't have any any
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certainty of what this class is going to look like exactly. I mean,
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I certainly feel strongly about where Devin Sanchez is in this class in terms of
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his position. I mean, I certainly feel strongly about things like that.
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But beyond that, I just I really, you know, I really don't
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know. But this is, you know, this again is a different type
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of problem of hey we can't fill our class, or hey we're gonna watch
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our class fall apart for one one reason or another, a various reason or
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another. This is Ohio State is so hot in terms of its defensive back
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recruiting, and it's becoming kind of a destination place, and you've got all
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of these top names that one in the class, and as we like to
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say so much, something's got to give. And I don't know when that's
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gonna happen, who that's going to happen to. I just I don't see.
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I don't see a world we live in where Ohio State takes ten dbs
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unless unless they take the eighty five scholarship limit and put it up to like
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one hundred or something, because you just you just can't do that when you
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especially when you look at needs at other positions as well, and you can
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beat the table the loudest and say I need you know, I need two
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more guys in my room or whatever, but I guarantee you there are four
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of your peers doing the same thing. Yeah. Eventually, Ryan Day's going
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to cut you off. Eventually he's going to tell you, noe, we're
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full. Sorry. Yeah. And then you know the other thing this is
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again, this is all a really good so you know, we're not really
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I'm not complaining here, but you know this, we're just kind of talking
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through how this is going to have to play out at some point. If
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you are Ohio State, I don't I don't know if you pressure guys to
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commit right now, because here's the here's what you don't want to have happen.
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Here's the way this, here's the way you don't maximize this is if
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you take a whole bunch of guys now and kind of force them into the
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class, and then come November, you'll lose two of them to de commitments
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to what they perceive to be better opportunities. Because now you've probably passed on
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guy nine and nine and ten that we're talking about right now, and now
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you lose guys seven and eight. Well, now you're two off your number,
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and you've already missed on a couple of guys you really liked because you
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had to cut it cut it off. So I think if you're Ohio State,
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you just let this play out organically. I wouldn't be pressuring anyone right
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now, because what's going to happen now is if you get someone in at
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you know, who's you know, the fifth or sixth guy in whatever we're
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at right now, and then three more guys come in behind him, that
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could change that mindset of guys who are in and you don't want to lose
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anyone late, if that makes sense. You don't want to you don't want
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to have a de commitment late where you're not getting Planned B because Plan you
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already told Plan B, hey we're full. So Plan b's off the table.
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So now you're down to like Plan C. So what you want to
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do is kind of grow this thing organically to where you're adding a piece here
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and there. But I I know everyone's like, oh, you know,
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they should tell they should tell whoever to you know, Cody adad or Trade
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mcnuttor, Dorian Brew like, hey, you know, we need to know
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if you're in or not. I don't know if that's really even the best
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way to do it right now, just because or what eight eight and a
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half months from signing day, I mean, that's an eternity recruiting eight months.
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Yeah, Well, I think the thing is you have to be honest
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with these guys. You have to sit there, and we've talked about for
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years and years and years and years. Recruiting is a relationship business. As
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long as you're honest with them. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that you
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have to come up with answers to questions that aren't being asked yet, But
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if questions are being asked, you have to be honest because if you're if
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you're deceitful, if you're if you're being sneaky or any of that stuff,
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it's going to turn around and bite you in the butt. So as long
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as you're being honest, Hey, our plan is to take this is this
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is the number we're shooting for. And if your real number ends up being
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maybe a little higher. I mean again, we've talked about that for years.
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Oh, they've got two running backs in this class, but maybe they
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take a third one if it's off of this short list of players, and
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then and then you go there. But I think that honesty is the best
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course of action. And I think that you know, every player is going
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to have to view it differently. I think if you're a dad from Ohio,
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I mean maybe you just you're right, You're not You're not decommitting from
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Wisconsin to then go to Illinois. Just that's not the move. And that's
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not saying that Illinois is a lesser program than Wisconsin or anything like that.
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You're an Ohio kid from a school that should be sending Ohio kids to Ohio
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State it's pretty obvious what that move is. I mean, if I'm a
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dad, I probably would make a move sooner rather than later. But go
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out and have a couple visits. Why the hell not? But uh yeah,
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you don't. You don't want to artificially speed anybody up. You don't
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want to artificially slow anybody down. You just kind of need to let things
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happen. So that's gonna be the interesting thing to watch here the next couple
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of months, I think, because a lot of these guys are you know,
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Fahim de Lane and not for those guys will be some of them,
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some of them will be back on campus the spring. I mean I would
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expect some of them will be back on campus for the spring game or you
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know, in the next couple of weeks. So the guys who aren't will
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back in June, and it's going to be interesting. It's going to be
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interesting to see at what point does Ohio State say, Okay, we're full,
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because at this point, I think it's going to be eight. If
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they can get to eight, I think they'll take eight because you've got three
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corners I think they need to probably take for safeties. At this point,
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do I think Dorian Brews a corner. No, do some schools think he's
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a corner? Yes, does Ohio State think he's a corner? I don't
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know about that. I think they're gonna I think they're willing to start him
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out there and see if he can play corner. So he's kind of in
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hybrid territory there. So I mean, I think they can see you too,
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your eight and whether that's someone leaving the class and getting filled backfilled by
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another guy, or whether it's just them getting to eight and say Nope,
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that's it. I don't know exactly how they're going to get there, but
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I think that's the number of I think that could be the number. And
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that's just that's crazy for me to It's funny. We always do this every
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year. We oh, this will be the two tight end class that never
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happens, or this will be the you know, could they take three running
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backs or take six offensive linemen and it never happens. And this is the
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year where I think we're like understating some of these positions, like oh yeah,
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maybe like probably six defensive backs. In the beginning, it's like,
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no, take me more than six defensive backs. So I think it could
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be happening at one or two other positions as well that we'll get into in
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another show. But you know, just a sum up, Deshaun Stewart,
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I think a really good player, a really talented player out of a really
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good program, really good part of the country that will highly want to continue
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to be active at Again, I see a lot of Jordan Fuller there.
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I think Ohio states a virtual lock, regardless of how weird this gets the
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next few months, a virtual lock to sign the number one secondary class in
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the country. So these are all like great problems to have right now,
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but they are things that are gonna have to be addressed here in the next
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two months. I mean, it's going to be very interesting to see how
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this maneuvers, or how High State maneuvers for all this. But they're rolling
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right now. I mean, it is what it is. It's it's like
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I said, it's it's much better. We've talked about this before. It's
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much better to be sitting here thinking about how gonna whittle down all their targets
25:14
into a class than sitting here looking at a position and being like, boy,
25:18
they need three more guys at this position. And I don't think they
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lead for one guy left on their entire board, you know, which we've
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had to do at some certain points with certain positions. So, uh,
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first world problems. But Kevin, any any final what's here? As we
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as we sign off on this kind of secondary update slash Deshaun Stewart breakdown,
25:41
I think it's you know, more important than ever if you're not a member
25:44
of Buckeye Huddle to join us at Buckeye Huddle because things are constantly changing and
25:48
evolving in the recruiting front, and we you know, we try to keep
25:51
the update here on the channel, but obviously over at Buckeye Huddle, you're
25:55
going to get stuff instantaneously as we learn it through the skull sessions from Mark
25:59
and everything else. So uh, you know it's going to be a wild
26:03
ride. Buckle up, Buckle up, buckle in, because you know,
26:07
just because you know, what we think the board may look like in March
26:10
and April isn't necessarily what the board is going to look like in October and
26:14
November leading up to a December signing day. So you know you're watching this
26:18
show, so obviously you you care deeply about recruiting, so you know,
26:22
come to the source of it and be able to get that up to the
26:25
minute information. Yeah, I mean even if you just do a month,
26:30
if you give us, you know, give us a shot for a month,
26:32
that's going to get you through the spring game, through spring visits.
26:36
It's going to get you through at least half of our Southern swing. If
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you haven't followed us in the past. For the last oh, I don't
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know, decade or so, we've been going down south of southeast part of
26:48
the country and we stop at high schools during spring football practice in the South
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and we watch practice, we watch scrimmages, we watch you know what,
26:56
workouts, everything else, and we do we get interview us with all the
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high states, top targets from Florida and Georgia and you know everywhere else.
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So you'll get a good chunk of that tour that we do UH on your
27:11
first month. And so it's a great time to get in for for for
27:14
recruiting coverage and UH. The one thing I will say, we don't give
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away our map before we do it because quite frankly, it's impossible to do
27:21
it this far out in advance. We usually put it together about a week
27:23
before we leave and then usually one or two. Things change anyway. It
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changes on the road. But I will tell you with pretty high confidence,
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this will be the most states we've ever covered. There there are, there
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are two. There's going to be at least two new states. I certainly
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without us ever topped in one. I mean, remember the year we did
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we did Texas and we did Arizona. That was you know, that was
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the high water mark at that point. But yeah, it's gonna We're gonna
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be at least two new states. Really I think three, but I think
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one might be up for debate. But we've got two new states we're gonna
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cover that we hadn't had to stop in before on Southern Swing. So it's
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gonna be It's the most loaded list I think ever put together. So unless
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like eight of these guys commit somewhere else in the next four weeks, which
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is gonna happens, it's gonna be the biggest list we've ever done, the
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best list we've ever done in the most states we've ever done. So that'll
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be a great thing. If you guys haven't joined us for any of these
28:34
before, it will be Uh, it'll be a great two weeks of recruiting
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coverage. So appreciate everyone watching, appreciate everyone listening. Well, I said,
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we'll get you another episode here the next probably probably a few hours on
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YouTube, but it'll be the next day or so for sure. But thanks
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again for your sport and we will talk to you against you