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Bucky Brooks Breaks Down NFLPA Offseason Structure Proposal | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: JP Shadwick, John Ozer from the Honday Studios at the
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  Speaker 2: Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with us in
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Ota.
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  Speaker 1: Week number two is underway. John, You and I were
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  Speaker 1: out there on Tuny, Yes we were.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot say that we were not out there.
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  Speaker 1: Sweating to the oldies. That's what we were doing.
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  Speaker 3: Good day, What a day, Good day?
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  Speaker 1: What a day? Bucky? Is that time of year OTAs.
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  Speaker 4: Man can't get enough of them, just absolutely love them.
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  Speaker 4: I know uys or holding it down for me. I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't couldn't make it this week, but I'm sure there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good stuff you guys to report.
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  Speaker 1: Look we'll start with you, John.
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  Speaker 3: Look, these things matter on a lot of levels, and
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  Speaker 3: it's a broken record, but they were in caps yesterday, Jp.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them were.
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  Speaker 3: So well and the ones that weren't weren't anything.
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So look, the teaching, the working out, the training, it's
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  Speaker 3: critically important. It matters. And I went out there and
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  Speaker 3: watched them in caps. That much more to say about it.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody asked me, I was on a different show this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky and They asked me, Hey, how so and so
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  Speaker 3: look he looked fine, he was in a cab.
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  Speaker 1: You better look good in a cap.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 4: is that the content that our people want, don't want
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  Speaker 4: to hear about. We need to hear about how important, uh,
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  Speaker 4: it is for guys to be in attendance, what guys
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  Speaker 4: look like, how this is going to help them play
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  Speaker 4: better when we get the training camp and those things.
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  Speaker 4: And here you are disminuted, diminishing what can be accomplished
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  Speaker 4: during the course of OTA's and minute.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I did the opposite of diminish. At the top,
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  Speaker 3: I said, it's important. It's important. What they are doing
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  Speaker 3: must be important because they are here. But it is important.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a JP. You were out there, out there.
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  Speaker 3: We wrote conservations, we did, and I wrote basically off
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  Speaker 3: of what the coach said, because that is what matters
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  Speaker 3: right now. What the players and coaches are doing together
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  Speaker 3: matters very much. If you're gonna ask me what I saw,
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  Speaker 3: I saw. I saw guys in caps.
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  Speaker 1: Right, running against air a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: Which is which is terrific.
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  Speaker 2: So they tell me the classroom stuff is big right now.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously they're putting in a new defense. I mean, so
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  Speaker 2: we've got to get that the base of that down.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big piece of what they're doing right now,
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  Speaker 2: and working different guys in different spots just to see, okay,
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  Speaker 2: But then you take the helmets away and sure, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of what it is. And on the offensive side,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're pretty much you're you're starting lineups pretty much intact. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there'll be competition, Bucky, I'm not trying to you know,
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  Speaker 2: not giving anybody a chance that deserves one. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not as many question marks on offense right now as
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  Speaker 2: there are on defense, in my opinion, What do you think.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think there's not as many question marks per
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  Speaker 4: se on offense just because we have so many guys returning.
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  Speaker 4: I would say the question marks come from canvas team
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  Speaker 4: hit the ground running unlike the way they performed last year.
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  Speaker 4: Like this offense needs to be the version that we've
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  Speaker 4: been anticipating. We want to see this offense lighted up.
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  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is in year four. It's time for him
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  Speaker 4: to take that next jump when it comes to helping
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  Speaker 4: this team get to the next level. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of it will be dependent upon him. So as he
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  Speaker 4: develops the chemistry with the playmakers on the outside, Gabe
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  Speaker 4: Davis and Brian Thomas Junior, as this offensive line gets solidified,
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  Speaker 4: then hopefully we can see the offense kind of perform
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  Speaker 4: at a level that we expect.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson earlier this week
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  Speaker 2: the growth of the quarterback Trevor Lawrence going into.
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  Speaker 1: Now his third year in this offense.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's becoming the vocal leader in the locker room,
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  Speaker 6: on the field, in meetings. You know, when we got
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  Speaker 6: him three years ago, he was just learning our system
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  Speaker 6: and kind of quiet and just trying to go through
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  Speaker 6: the motions, a little bit of of just trying to
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  Speaker 6: adapt to us and get a feel for us. But
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  Speaker 6: now he's engaging. Now he's given us ideas. Now he's
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  Speaker 6: given us suggestions and ideas and really becoming another you know,
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  Speaker 6: a coach, a set of eyes you know on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there you have it, John, I thought, I thought
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  Speaker 3: what he and Pressed said about Trevor Lawrence yesterday, if true,
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  Speaker 3: which I have no reason to think it's not. Doug
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  Speaker 3: isn't gonna slam a player, but he's honest to a
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  Speaker 3: point where he's not gonna be overly effusive if he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be. I thought the things about Trevor
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  Speaker 3: picking up the offense, being that guy in the huddle,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. Caps or no caps, most important thing has
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  Speaker 3: been said in a month around here. If all that's
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  Speaker 3: the case, Bucky, then that feels like a natural progression.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like it feels like you want what you
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  Speaker 3: want to see, and that's what you should be feeling
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  Speaker 3: from a guy in his third year in a system.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, he should be very, very comfortable in the system.
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  Speaker 4: He should be able to have i would say, major
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  Speaker 4: ownership in the system now that he's been in it
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  Speaker 4: two full seasons. He should know all the ins and
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  Speaker 4: outs and the intricacies of the system. He should be
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  Speaker 4: able to direct players and make sure that everyone knows
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  Speaker 4: where they need to be to help him play at
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  Speaker 4: his best. Yeah, that's the part that we need to
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  Speaker 4: see from Trevor Lawrence. We can talk about the deal
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  Speaker 4: that is probably on the horizon, but if he is
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  Speaker 4: going to be the franchise quarterback that this team needs,
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  Speaker 4: he has to begin to take those steps to really
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  Speaker 4: own the offense and to hold his teammates accountable for
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  Speaker 4: their performance within the offense.
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  Speaker 3: And Bucky, you can put this into words better than I.
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  Speaker 3: But somebody asked me this morning, you know what does
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  Speaker 3: that mean when a quarterback gets it? And what I've
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  Speaker 3: always been told the closest thing I've ever heard to
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  Speaker 3: it is it's like if you're learning new language Spanish
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  Speaker 3: or not JP's case, French. You know, you start by
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  Speaker 3: learning it and you can talk it, and then one day,
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  Speaker 3: if you really get it, you dream it and it's
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  Speaker 3: sort of it's second nature where you're not thinking you
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  Speaker 3: played enough to sort of know, you know, when you
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  Speaker 3: start getting a scheme like that, how important is it
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  Speaker 3: for the quarterback to reach that? And am I describing
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  Speaker 3: it correctly?
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  Speaker 4: No? I think your description is very accurate. When it
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  Speaker 4: comes to like speaking a foreign language, It's one thing
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  Speaker 4: to be able to go through the words and put
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  Speaker 4: together the sentences while you're kind of having to formulate
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  Speaker 4: it in your head. It's another thing to be fluent
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  Speaker 4: in it, where you think in that language that you learn.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully Trevor Lawrence is thinking in that Doug Peterson press
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  Speaker 4: Taylor East where he can finish their sentences. He knows
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  Speaker 4: how to do it. When the play comes in the huddle,
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  Speaker 4: he not only is thinking, like having the envision what
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  Speaker 4: is about to take place when it gets to the thing,
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  Speaker 4: but he knows it so much that he can tell
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  Speaker 4: you what the third, fourth, and fifth option of the
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  Speaker 4: play is. Steve Young used to talk about the great quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: They can exhaust all the options in the play before
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  Speaker 4: they utilize and rely on their athleticism. Hopefully Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 4: is at the point where he can exhaust the entire play.
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  Speaker 4: He knows, Okay, I got one and two and oh no,
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  Speaker 4: this is my third and fourth option. These are the
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  Speaker 4: ways that I can tag it to make the play better.
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  Speaker 4: When he gets to that point, that's when you have
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  Speaker 4: the mastery. And also people don't understand the importance of
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  Speaker 4: continuity in terms of just being able to play in
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  Speaker 4: the same system in multiple years. Then you begin to
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  Speaker 4: get that part where you know the system so much
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  Speaker 4: where you're not thinking. Now you're executing because you just
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  Speaker 4: know it really really well. You've done the learning part
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  Speaker 4: of it, that's the bit, so now it's just a
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  Speaker 4: performance part of it. Hopefully he's getting to the point
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  Speaker 4: where it's performed of art for him, where he knows
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  Speaker 4: exactly what he's doing and is allowing just his natural
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  Speaker 4: instincts to take over. That's when we'll see the major
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  Speaker 4: jump in this play.
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  Speaker 2: Another player to learn the new language is Mitch Morse
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  Speaker 2: free agent addition at center and press Taylor on what
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  Speaker 2: he's brought to the meeting room.
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  Speaker 5: This is a guy that's very confident in who he is,
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  Speaker 5: what he's done. You see that show up from the
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  Speaker 5: way he handles himself in the huddle. It's also the
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  Speaker 5: meeting room, and that's one of the things that he's
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  Speaker 5: not afraid to speak up and ask a question. Where
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  Speaker 5: some young guys that are new to a system, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they're probably gonna wait till a meeting ends. Go grab
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  Speaker 5: a coach on the side, Hey, you said this, What
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  Speaker 5: do you mean by that? Mitchell, stop a meeting. Make
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  Speaker 5: sure he's on the same page of what the coach
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  Speaker 5: is expecting. Because sometimes you go quickly through these things
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  Speaker 5: because you look around, there's a lot of familiar faces
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  Speaker 5: in a room. Guys have heard this, or guys know
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  Speaker 5: okay he's talking about twenty twenty two Week three. This
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  Speaker 5: happened blah blah blah. We kind of gloss over some
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  Speaker 5: things where Mitchell, Hey, what do you mean by this?
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  Speaker 5: We'll pull up a clip, we'll all watch it together.
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  Speaker 5: Make sure we're all speaking the same language. That's the
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  Speaker 5: biggest thing is everybody. I mean, football hasn't really changed
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  Speaker 5: over the course of many years, but each offense kind
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  Speaker 5: of has their own language. How quickly can we get
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  Speaker 5: everybody onboarded with our language? What does it sound like
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  Speaker 5: for us when you say this? What does this mean?
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  Speaker 5: We all speak the same language. So Mitch has done
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  Speaker 5: a great job of getting himself up to speed with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, quarterbacks is the number one priority with that. As
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about, center's pretty darn close to that. He's
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  Speaker 2: touching the ball in every snap too.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it is a position of centrality, and so it's
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  Speaker 4: a thinking person's position. Outside of the quarterback. The center
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  Speaker 4: is the second most important communicator on the offense. He
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  Speaker 4: has to communicate all the things to the offensive line,
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  Speaker 4: and one of the underrated aspects of bringing Mitch Morris over,
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you can alleviate some of the pressure on Trevor
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  Speaker 4: to have to make all the protection calls and things
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  Speaker 4: at the line. Of scrimmage that might free his mind
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  Speaker 4: up where he can just go play. Is removing something
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  Speaker 4: off of his plate so he can focus on playing
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  Speaker 4: more so than getting everyone lined up. Yes, he needs
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  Speaker 4: to know what everyone is doing, but if you have
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  Speaker 4: a veteran center, he can alleviate some of the burden
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  Speaker 4: on Trevor from a thinking standpoint and allow him to
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  Speaker 4: get the playing. That might be one of the reasons
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  Speaker 4: why Mitch Morris is a huge set to this team
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  Speaker 4: because he gives them another leader and another great communicator
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  Speaker 4: to be a traffic cop at the point of attack.
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  Speaker 3: I have a question for the scout before we go
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  Speaker 3: to break, and we're going to go to break, so
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  Speaker 3: the other Bill who's come over gave Davis obviously not
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  Speaker 3: going to do much in OTA's How concerned, Bucky are you?
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  Speaker 3: This team needs to start fast, you know, or it
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  Speaker 3: needs to be ready to at least compete. To start fast,
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  Speaker 3: gave Davis, Brian Thomas both are going to be new
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  Speaker 3: hard to do a whole lot with. Gave Davis hurt.
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  Speaker 3: You know, realistically, how long does it take to get
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  Speaker 3: up to speed?
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  Speaker 4: Bucky?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I get that it depends on the player,
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  Speaker 3: but just give me a general idea of that.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of it depends on the player and how
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  Speaker 4: the player learns. Can they player learned from watching? Can
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  Speaker 4: he learn effectively in the classroom. Can you take it
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  Speaker 4: from the board to the field pretty quickly? I think
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars have a good idea of that based on
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  Speaker 4: Chadhall's relationship with Gabe Davis in terms of how he
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  Speaker 4: learns and processes in those things. But when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to the practice field, it'll be important early in training
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  Speaker 4: camp that he and Trevor and Brian Thomas Junior are
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  Speaker 4: on the same page, and that may require them to
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  Speaker 4: do some extra throwing after practice. It may require them
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  Speaker 4: to maybe run the ones more often in training camp
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that the chemistry is right and that
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  Speaker 4: they're connected. I would believe that Doug Peterson is probably
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  Speaker 4: more sensitive to everyone being on the same page this
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  Speaker 4: year than he was in the previous years because of
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  Speaker 4: the issues that the team had in terms of guys
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  Speaker 4: not appearing to know what they're doing and not being
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  Speaker 4: on the same page with the quarterback. Maybe we see
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  Speaker 4: the ones participate more, not necessarily in preseason game, but
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  Speaker 4: when we see joint practices and we see live action.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe those guys get more reps to just check off
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  Speaker 4: that box. Everyone knows what they're doing, been through it enough.
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  Speaker 4: They developed the chemistry through the constant and heavy repetition
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  Speaker 4: that you may want to see.
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  Speaker 1: Is something that just kind of flew over my head
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  Speaker 1: a second ago. You were talking about second languages, John, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then you said, in my case French.
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  Speaker 2: Why'd you say that?
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  Speaker 3: I see you being the connoisseur of the French line.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I took two years of French. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: also didn't learn it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah, I took I took French.
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  Speaker 4: I took French. I took French in sixth grade because
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  Speaker 4: it's a romance language. Jam pil Wow about that, pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Good, Fransei. I just kind of you pictured as a
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  Speaker 3: connoisseur a line.
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  Speaker 2: I thought maybe we had talked about it before something
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  Speaker 2: and you had a memory of that.
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  Speaker 3: I know. My son took like five years of Latin
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  Speaker 3: and dias.
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  Speaker 4: Oh today, I took Latin. I took Latin high school
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  Speaker 4: to help me with the s A t Yeah, make
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  Speaker 4: sure we know.
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  Speaker 5: The root worth.
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  Speaker 4: How did that work?
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  Speaker 3: You work out that great for Jake Well, to be honest.
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  Speaker 4: With you, Yeah, it worked out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good got into Carolina, it's pretty good. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: got in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, got in, graduated everything. That's all because of Latin,
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  Speaker 4: all because of Latin.
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  Speaker 1: And those yours. John. My language second.
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  Speaker 3: Language, Spanish, took many years of Spanish ship at uh
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  Speaker 3: Old Pistol High School across the river, and uh it
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  Speaker 3: was it was the only time I ever had to
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  Speaker 3: brush with Summer school was Spanish, and uh I got
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  Speaker 3: out of it somehow didn't go to school.
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  Speaker 4: Well we have to do Why are we having to
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  Speaker 4: take summer school with Spanish? Like?
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't very like time I didn't take school?
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  Speaker 4: Put it together?
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  Speaker 1: I was John, John?
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  Speaker 4: Would we have to worry about you in the huddle?
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  Speaker 4: Are we gonna have to take you out there until
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  Speaker 4: you went rouse to run? Do I need to tell
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  Speaker 4: j P a JP make sure John knows what he's
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  Speaker 4: doing before we get through, Like because of your Spanish problems,
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  Speaker 4: you had a tough time with Spanish?
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  Speaker 3: Had I tried?
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  Speaker 1: I've done that a little too much.
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  Speaker 3: But well, you know this was tenth grade, so it
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  Speaker 3: was a couple of years before that, or at least
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  Speaker 3: one or not.
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  Speaker 1: It happens from time to time.
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  Speaker 3: Feels like my wife who you know, well, proud graduate
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  Speaker 3: of Sandwood House.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just how about that?
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  Speaker 3: Don't it out there? And she never had to good
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  Speaker 3: to summer school.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably like unlike me, her Spanish is probably excellent.
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  Speaker 3: Has never come up in thirty five years. Oh no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: OTAs this week, two more on the schedule, right what Wednesday? Well,
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  Speaker 2: it was earlier today. We taped this in the afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: and there's one more on Friday this week, and then
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  Speaker 2: next week. There are officially four on the schedule. Traditionally,
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  Speaker 2: the last one, the tenth ota, sometimes can be amended
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  Speaker 2: or canceled or moved for some kind of team building, which.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Usually depends if they have enough caps.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: We see.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: They got plenty of those. There's plenty to go around,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens on the final ota.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And then two weeks from now is mandatory mini camp
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: we'll see who has to stay for that, because if
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: there's great attendance, which it feels like there has been
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: for OTAs Doug Peterson in the past has told a
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: lot of the veterans to not even show up for
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: mandatory camp.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you get your work done, which all
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: kidding aside, The Jerwys do have an advantage and Ducks
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: talked about it a lot being here with this kind
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: of weather. Guys do want to be here. There's no
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: reason not to be here. So the work that they do,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: meaning a lot of the meeting work, a lot of
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: getting on the same page. There's no reason in this
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: day and age if you have this situation not to
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: have that done before that last week. So I'd be
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: surprised Doug's mo has been I would think something will
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: have gone wrong if there are a lot of veterans
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: on the field that week, we'll see. That would surprise me.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: No. Yeah, it's one of the advantages or one of
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the superpowers that Jacksonville should have in terms of being
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: able to be a very intractive market for players, particularly
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: older players, is because of the weather. The weather would
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: lead you to want to be in this area all
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: the time. Which would then bring you into the meeting
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: rooms and working out with the team and doing that stuff.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: And it's one of the advantages that the Jaguars could
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: have going forward is having a like a a nearly
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: full attendance, like near perfect attendance for these workouts, so
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: then at the end of the summer you don't have
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: to go through OTAs in mini camps because everyone has
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: been here, they kind of learn stuff doing the early
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: part of the spring, and so it's unnecessary to have
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the practices at the end of the summer.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Speaking of these schedules and off season programs and stuff,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the story the other day the NFLPA is apparently working
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to propose an overhaul to the off season workout program,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and from what I read, it could be just started
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in late June or early July and go all the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: way through training camp instead of this April May and
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: then take a break, you know, and being very generalized
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: on the specifics of this, but I mean, that's a
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that would be obviously a done worthy change.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Bucky, you got to show up on the fourth of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: July and don't leave.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: So my thing is so funny because I'm actually surprised
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: that the reaction to this, I actually thought more people
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: would be in favor as opposed to not the reason
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I would be in favor. And I'm gonna use it
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: from like a coaching lens. What happens is when you
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: have people coming in. John talked about this part of
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the year like OTA's and all the stuff that are
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: taking place in April, and man, how it doesn't really matter.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: It is well a distance away from the season. And
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: what happens is you have the eight or nine week
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: period in April, you then get everyone out of the
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: building in June, and then there's a six week period
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: before the players come back into the building. As a
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: front office player, that's the scariest part because you don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: have supervision of your players. Your players are off on
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: their own and doing their things, and they're working with
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: their own trainers. They're away from the facility, working at wherever.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: They also are kind of doing the last bit of
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I would say partying or getaways or vacations or whatever
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you want to do. And so you hope to get
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: through July fourth without any incidents. If you back the
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: calendar up or you move it where people are coming
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: in the middle of June or you talk about even
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the fourth of July. From a team building standpoint, it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: more old school training camp like in the seventies and
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: eighties where you had the extended training camp to leading
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: to the season, where if you think about being able
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: to build a ramp up plan, to me, it's probably
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: easier to get a team ready to play with kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: of like that consistency where you don't have the stoppages,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: where I can avoid some of the soft tissue injuries.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I can plan a ramp up schedule that allows my
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: guys to get the work that they need in the strength,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: in the weight room and on the field or also
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the meeting room to then make training camp probably a
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: little more efficient and effective, so we don't have those
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: injuries and maybe we have maybe a better quality of
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: play at the beginning of the year as opposed to
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the constant disruptions. It would completely change the way coaches
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and everyone deal with their vacations, particularly with the families.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: But from I'm a football standpoint, I actually think it
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: would be better. It'll be reminiscent of the way the
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: ramp up was after COVID, and I think that is
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: probably a more effective way of getting the team ready
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: to play, then to work hard stop. Then it basically
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: have to start from scratch again when you get back
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: together in July, when the intensity is at a fever pitch,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: because now you're getting ready for the season, which is
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: why you may have so many injuries at the beginning
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of training.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Camp, makes no sense. I mean, it's I can't see them.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I'd be stunned if if you add any padded work
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: to the schedule, because it just feels like players are
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: not going to want to do that, and we're so
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: far down the road of not having any contact because
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: of injuries, salary cap all that stuff. It makes sense.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I'll be grudgingly say it makes sense because I don't
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: like change JP and you know, I like the schedule
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: as it is now. But certainly the ramp up of
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: eight weeks and then away and then ramping back up,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I could see the argument against. I wonder if the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: argument four is not Now, all of a sudden, you're
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: adding a month and now you're going from from July
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: fifth until the end of February.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's a long time.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: That's a long time. I can tell you as somebody
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: who reported, you know, as a media member, to Jaguars
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: training camp in ninety five on July fifth was when
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I flew to Stevens point that extra three or four
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: weeks in July. It it turns it long, and all
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I was doing was standing on the practice field. Yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: not worth So that's part of it. But at as
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Bucky said, my guess is if they brought guys in
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: that early, that first two three four weeks would be
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: very much like COVID in terms of slow ramp to
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: make sure that the body is ready to go full speed.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: So probably better trainers, not better trainers, but better thought
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: now than thirty years ago on how to ramp up
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the body for that length of marathon.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And to your point, John, in that long stretch
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: as there is now, you just add a month to that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: There's the bye week before the season, right for everybody
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: has that weekend off after the final preseason game, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: then a bye week during the regular season. Now, in theory,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: if they go to eighteen games at some point down
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the line, that just makes it even longer.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Is there a second.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Bie, There's not a lot of time off.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: No, there's not a lot of time off. But let's
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: look at it this way. A lot of everyone comes
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: from the collegiate program, and in college you never have
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: a nine week period where guys are off or six
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: week period where guys are off. And if we're going
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: to a model where we're only going to have two
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: preseason games and whatever, that is very much like the
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: college game where they don't even have preseason games. They
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: just kind of go to it. I believe that if
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you add four weeks to the calendar, because it takes
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: six weeks in training camp, now you kind of go
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: three or four weeks and you have this and you
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: have two prezon games or three preseason games, and then
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: you take the week off and you play. If you
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: add four weeks to it, and let's just say this
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: right after fourth of July weekend, well now you can
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: plan out how you want to build the team up.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: If you talk about the first three or four weeks
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: just being conditioning in those things and maybe walkthroughs, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: then you go into training camp or what is training camp.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Now you add to that and you begin to put
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: this stuff together. I just think that with planning, you
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: can logistically make it one that is a better environment
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: for the players to get ready to play their best football.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: When the season kicks off in September than the current model,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: And look, the current model has been the current model
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: for a long time. John, and you guys like to
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: talk about what are we really getting out of practices
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: that are in April May, and those things like the
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: practices would probably be more beneficial if they're closer to
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the season, because you're installing and installing, installing, and there's
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: a sensible way to ramp up and get your team
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: prepared to play.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. My first gut reaction is boy bringing
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: them in July fifth, two months until you play a game. Boy,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: that feels like a long time, But frankly, this month
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: when you look at it, sort of feels like a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: long time too, So you're just switching that long month.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of it depends on like
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: just knowing just you Doug as an example, knowing him
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and the way that he does it. I think the
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: teams that are smart in terms of how they ramp
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: their teams up, like you, still, just because we start
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: July fifth, it doesn't mean that we got to work
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: all five days. Maybe you have a four day work week.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: You give them long weekends to try to ensure some
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of the freshness and and you go back and forth
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: because there's always a partnership with the players. Hey man,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: if we do what we're supposed to do, we'll have
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Fridays off up until we get into real train campaign
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and how players celebrate and love their days off. There's
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: a way to do it where you don't overwork the players,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: but you get something out of the new ramp up
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: period as opposed to the old model that we're currently in.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Final thought, JP, it'd be interesting to see how Bucky
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I get what you're saying. The nfl PA better legislate
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about absolutely, because we all know there's
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: gonna be coaches who don't give them that Friday off.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So I mean, right, I mean, that'll be the balance
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that'll be that that'll becussions.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Now now the counterpoint for the coaches or whatever they was,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: they like, I mean, at some point we got to
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: go to work. Though we can't. We just can't keep
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: taking days away and and and not get ready to
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: play football because you signed up to be a football player.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: And so there's that happy line because if you always
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: leave it to the players, they always won't willing to
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: take days off. And so there's there's a fine line,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and I'm saying that as a former player, but at
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: some point we still got to get the work in
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: and get it done. Uh, there's a way to kind
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: of bridge that gap. There will be some on the
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: other side that'd be a little overzealous when it comes
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to the practices, and then there'd be other guys that
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: have a sensible plan that allows them to get to
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: work in. We're also giving them enough time to try
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and keep their minds in bodies fresh.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I wonder, if you know, would would it be a
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: voluntary period as it is now? Uh, and like the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: first three weeks are voluntary and then training camp begins, so.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Pre a lot different than it is now.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, that yeah, that pressure that voluntary. So
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: so we just gonna miss the entire off season. We're
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: going to show up when it's time to kick off.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's gonna be okay with it. I Mean,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: we can say voluntary, but I think it'd be a
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: wink nod agreement. Yeah, it's voluntary, but I would say
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: it's it's pretty mandatory.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, in theory, they'd be given the players
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: would be given up what eight weeks of voluntary time, right,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the only time they have to be here
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is the mandatory mini camp three days in the off
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: season technically, but wink nine yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, little wing not agree. I just would find it
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: hard to be okay if they're not if everyone's not
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: in the building after July, and I know that you
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: have to say voluntary, but it would just be hard
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: because if you're gonna give that much time from February
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: to June July, I mean that's a lot of time
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to get your vacations and all of that stuff in
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: at some point when you're gonna come to work so
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: we can get ready for football.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I did.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: It's tough to have them give up voluntary, That's right,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's tough. So yeah, I mean,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: this is a fascinating conversation because it's been going on
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: thirty years this way, and as Bucky knows, we all
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: know the NFL body clock is all set on that calendar,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and you expect it to dramatically change the calendar would
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: seem not very not a very big deal to a
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: lot of outside observers. If you've been in it, changing
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the calendar even by a week, like when they you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: the Combine or the Super Bowl getting pushed back in
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the last three years, I'm still not right all off season.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, hey, it feels like this.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's two weeks later at the combine.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's such a calendar or it's such a
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: body clock calendar.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Sport.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Now, I would say this, let's think about it from
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: a preparation standpoint when it comes to front offices and
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: coaches and those things. So if we don't have to
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: worry about the distraction of the off season program starting
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in April and May when the Super Bowl ends at
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: the end of February, we then could take March and
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: April to really concentrate on the draft and free agency
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: and those things without the distraction of also having to
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: get the team ready for practices in those things. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: think there's a way to allow guys to like fully
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: concentrate on different segments. Because as you talked about, like
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: if the combine, I mean what the combine is, what
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: two weeks after the Super Bowl? Yeah, I mean it's
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: bang bang, it would allow you to reshift the calendar,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: and so maybe you push the combine back to the
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: end of March, and then it's combine. Then we get
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: ready for the draft, because remember we started seeing the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Big Twelve had a joint combine with all of the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: conference members working out there. Maybe we begin to eliminate
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: some of the pro day stuff so we're not traveling
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: around and doing all that other stuff and we can
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: have just centralized workouts where we get all of that
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: stuff done right ahead of the draft, and then we
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: have the draft.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: One final thought, and I know we're way long. It
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: could bucky. The biggest group that could benefit maybe haven't
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: thought it through, might be rookies. If you don't have
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to come into OTAs immediately and you're not really revving
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: up until early July, all these rhythmis always come in
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and everybody told about just how drained they are with
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: non stop from the time their football season starts in
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: senior year September. It might be a positive for that group.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not thinking it through.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: No, I think you are thinking it through, and everyone
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: will tell you as a rookie, the longest year is
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: that first year. I mean as a football player, the
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: longest year is that first year because you go from
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: training and prep preparing and practicing your entire senior year
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to immediately going to the Combine and Bowl games and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: all of that stuff. To now, as soon as you
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: get drafted, you expect to be in a new city
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: and you're right in it. And as football coaches, the
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: only No One speed we get you here we're going
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: If you take this model where you say only the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: rookies can come in May June, you can begin to
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: get them in shape and build them up to when
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: they meet the veterans in the end of June or July.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: It could be a better way to get them going.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: And I will say this, this has been brought up
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: by the Players Association, so this is certainly not an
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: NFL management thing. It's not the coaches that are asking
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: for the calendar flip. This is done by the PA.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: There has to be a reason why the PA is
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: asking for the calendar to be changed to this model
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: as opposed to the previous model.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Interesting stuff, JP.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It is quite a conversation and I'm glad we had
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: it here on the Huddle Up Podcast today.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Bucky. I have a great rest of your week.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: We'll look forward to next week's final week of OTAs
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: John has we can send Bucky a cap.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: You know, you know, John, just just an honor of
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the conversation that we had about off season. I think
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just go do some sprints in the caul To
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Sat just to feel like I'm getting ready for training
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: camp in dose things get ready right after that, maybe
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I'll just run around and do some sprints and some
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: updowns in the middle of the Fulta Sat to get ridy.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: It's your time, Bucky Brooks, John Osier, I'm JP shadwick Er.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks to Brent Reaver and Joe Fortunato, and thanks to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast.