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Chuck & Buck 12-10 hour 2: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell, Jorge may be a no-go and Reckless at Breakfast. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Let's go back in time a little bit. We've had
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Speaker 1: a lot of SEC guys on here. They've never admitted it,
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Speaker 1: but we all know that SEC was an I L
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Speaker 1: before an I.
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Speaker 2: Hey.
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Speaker 1: You know, hey, hey, what's work? Way past it?
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Speaker 2: Queen?
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Speaker 1: Now just admitt it?
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Speaker 3: Good?
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Speaker 4: Hey, going, I say, coach, you know you've been not
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Speaker 4: a coaching for a while, And though, how do you
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Speaker 4: adjust at N I L?
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Speaker 1: So, well, it's a minor adjustment. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: I said?
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Speaker 4: Back then we used to walk through the back door
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Speaker 4: to cash.
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Speaker 1: Now we just got to walk through the foot door.
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Speaker 1: You unmistakable that orser on on busting with the boys.
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Speaker 1: Is that what that is? Correct?
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Speaker 5: Taylor Lawan and uh now Will Compton all right.
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Speaker 1: Seven o'clock hour, Chuck Buck and Ashley with you. We
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Speaker 1: roll in Reckless at Breakfast. Coming a little bit later
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Speaker 1: on this hour. Also Greg Bell in a matter of
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Speaker 1: seconds to talk about the Seahawks and the coming up
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Speaker 1: this Sunday. But first let me rip through your headlines.
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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps Light Choose Chill,
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Speaker 1: hump Day, Seahawks Colts Sunday I won twenty five. Philip
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Speaker 1: Rivers was signed to the practice squad yesterday, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's no plan for him to play against the Seahawks,
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Speaker 1: but if Riley Leonard cannot go, they're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: field a backup quarterback on the roster, and that means
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Speaker 1: you're one injury away from Yes, Philip Rivers playing against
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks this Sunday. We'll talk more about that with
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Speaker 1: Craig coming up here in a minute. Week fifteen of
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Speaker 1: the National Football League season. Thursday night football Falcons at
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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will get it started. College football,
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Speaker 1: The La Bowl will be played this Saturday. Army Navy
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Speaker 1: Week and Heisman Trophy also being announced today or see
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Speaker 1: me on Saturday as well. The Major League Baseball Winter
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Speaker 1: Meetings continue. Kyle Schwarber is a Philly still. Edwin Diaz,
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Speaker 1: former Mariner, has moved from the Mets to the Dodgers,
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Speaker 1: really the only two moves that have been made at
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Speaker 1: the entire Winter meetings. There are rumblings that are a
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Speaker 1: Polanco and his agent are asking for too much money
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Speaker 1: and for too many years from the Mariners, so that
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Speaker 1: they are seriously contemplating Plan B in that area. We'll
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Speaker 1: talk more about that later on this hour as well.
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Speaker 1: White Sox won the MLB Lottery, the new fangled MLB Lottery.
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Speaker 1: They do it in a much different way these days.
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Speaker 1: It's far too complicated to explain in a short period
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Speaker 1: of time. Just know that the White Sox ended up
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Speaker 1: with the number one pick this year and the Kraken
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Speaker 1: in Action trying to snap a six game losing streak
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Speaker 1: tonight at home against the Los Angeles Kings. Al Kiniski
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Speaker 1: will join us to discuss the drought today at nine thirty.
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Speaker 1: Those are your headlines. It's time to chat with Greg Bell.
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Speaker 1: With the bell tolls.
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Speaker 4: It must be seven o'clock and time for twelve Man
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Speaker 1: Now with Man Dues, here's Greg Bell with Chuck and Bud.
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Speaker 6: Good morning, Greg, Good morning.
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Speaker 1: Uh god, I was gonna jump right into Philip Rivers talk,
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Speaker 1: but let's make sure we have some beat Navy talk
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Speaker 1: before we start.
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Speaker 6: Let it move on.
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Speaker 2: Just we have to set that as a fact today, Okay,
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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers.
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Speaker 1: How many know how many of your how many of
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Speaker 1: your guys are going to be there?
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Speaker 6: How many?
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Speaker 1: How many of your buddies are waiting for you? And
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Speaker 1: uh for this game this weekend.
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Speaker 2: The best man in my wedding and my roommate for
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Speaker 2: two semesters is that's the main attraction for us, and
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Speaker 2: our families are tight, and then we're going to see him,
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Speaker 2: and then it's usually about a dozen guys I haven't
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Speaker 2: seen a while. Oh yeah, so it is. It is
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Speaker 2: quite a party and it's sweet. What the great thing
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Speaker 2: is when we see each other, it's like we've seen
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Speaker 2: each other yesterday, because we're still tight and gone through
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Speaker 2: quite a bit together, and our spouses and families always
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Speaker 2: amazed about Wait a minute, he said, you haven't seen
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Speaker 2: this guy in twenty years.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of work.
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Speaker 1: When you were all kids to get kids, at one
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Speaker 1: point in your life, did you look up to Philip
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Speaker 1: Rivers and how good a football player he was back
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Speaker 1: when you were children.
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Speaker 6: Back when my when my mom and dad were watching.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a Philip Rivers one of your dad's
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Speaker 1: favorite growing up.
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Speaker 6: I think Philip Rivers and Terry brad Joe played against
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Speaker 6: each other.
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Speaker 2: You know, yesterday we talked about it, and at first,
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Speaker 2: Bucky and I both agreed at first, there's no way
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be ready for Sunday.
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Speaker 6: But then when I started.
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Speaker 2: Looking into this, he's a high school football coach.
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Speaker 6: You may have talked about this. He's a high school
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Speaker 6: football coach at Saint.
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Speaker 2: Michael and Pharaoh, Alabama. He coaches his Philip Rivers coaches
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Speaker 2: his son there. His son is a four five star
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Speaker 2: rated quarterback recruited by Auburn and others, and they run
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Speaker 2: Shane Steiken's offense. And I didn't realize that Steiken had
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Speaker 2: been his quarterback coach for as long as he had
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Speaker 2: with the Chargers six years, and in the last year
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Speaker 2: and a half of that, well, the last season of that,
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Speaker 2: he was the offensive coordinator and play caller for Rivers
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Speaker 2: and the Chargers, and then that was twenty nineteen. Steiken
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Speaker 2: took over full time as the offensive coordinate in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: but that was the year the only year that Rivers
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Speaker 2: played for the Colts, and then he retired or supposedly
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Speaker 2: so after the twenty twenty season. But the point is,
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Speaker 2: not only does he know Steiken's offense, he calls it
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Speaker 2: and runs it in high school four A Alabama Class
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Speaker 2: four A, not podunk football, big time Alabama.
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Speaker 6: High school football, Class four A.
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Speaker 2: They went thirteen and oh this year, and then they
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Speaker 2: lost two weeks ago in the second round of the
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Speaker 2: state playoffs. And in doing so, he has been throwing
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Speaker 2: the ball around. JJ Watt, of course, all pro at
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Speaker 2: dresser and now a CBS game analyst, said he learned
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Speaker 2: in a production meeting yesterday that Philip Rivers has been
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Speaker 2: chucking the ball around in those practices with his son
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Speaker 2: in addition to running stain Stecken's offense. So Watt said,
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Speaker 2: there will be no run up in learning this off
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Speaker 2: it here. He knows it, and he's been throwing the
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Speaker 2: ball somewhat regularly, and so he's not just been sitting
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Speaker 2: on the couch for the five years since he last played.
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Speaker 2: Of course, he has ten kids and a grandkid, so
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna be sitting on the couch anyway. But
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Speaker 2: the point is, I'm beginning to believe Philip Rivers, at
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Speaker 2: age forty four during the holidays in Alabama, is not
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Speaker 2: going to get on a plane and go to Seattle
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Speaker 2: to not play to back up Riley Leonard or Brett
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Speaker 2: Ribbon or anybody. It's lining up to me that he's
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Speaker 2: playing Sunday. Wow, which man is that? I just don't
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Speaker 2: see him not playing in the culture and such dire
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Speaker 2: straights they have to win. They've lost four to last five,
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Speaker 2: to go from seven to one to eight and five
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Speaker 2: and on the edge of the playoff race in the AIRC.
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't have done this move now if they didn't
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Speaker 2: think he could play right now now that they didn't
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Speaker 2: sign me the active roster because okay, let's see it.
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Speaker 2: Let's see him in person day to day, and if
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Speaker 2: he's casted, it will leve date him from the practice bttle,
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Speaker 2: Let's not use a roster spot on him just yet.
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Speaker 2: But guys, this may become the most interesting NFL game
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Speaker 2: of the season and in many seasons in regular season anyway.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's going to be interesting, and I think it'd
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Speaker 7: be great if he somehow figures our way to suit
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Speaker 7: up just to see the theater that will ensue good luck,
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Speaker 7: because it's not an easy task going back into the NFL,
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Speaker 7: especially against Mike McDonald in this defense. But I would
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Speaker 7: just one more on that. I mean, I agree, I
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Speaker 7: think there's no way ifansibots that he still has been
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Speaker 7: throwing the ball, and you know he can probably still
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Speaker 7: shot and put it the way he does, you know,
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Speaker 7: back in twenty twenty when he last played. I think
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Speaker 7: the mental side of understanding the offense. Yep, he's calling
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Speaker 7: the offense, not necessarily playing it. But the speed of
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Speaker 7: the game, right, I mean, just to me, I've talked
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Speaker 7: a lot of times before about you just take the
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Speaker 7: off season off and all of a sudden, everything is different.
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Speaker 7: It takes a couple of weeks to get acclimated to
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Speaker 7: just how hard the ball is coming in when you
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Speaker 7: get back to spring training, and so speed wise of
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Speaker 7: the game. I mean, have you ever seen anybody miss
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Speaker 7: just a year and then when they come back, you know,
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Speaker 7: you're watching them at practice and things look rusty, but
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Speaker 7: it's like because of the speed, not necessarily because of
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Speaker 7: lack of repetitions.
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Speaker 2: Marshawn lens he signed with the Seahawks and Christmas Eve
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and that's the famous press conference when I
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Speaker 2: asked him why he came back and he said, Mary
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Speaker 2: New Year, he pulled an Eddie Murphy come into America.
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Speaker 1: Me.
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Speaker 6: That's one of my favorite moments with him.
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Speaker 2: I he so when I watched him in practices that
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Speaker 2: week we could only watch him at the beginning of practices,
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Speaker 2: he did look like, Okay, it's gonna take him a
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Speaker 2: little bit to roll into this, and he played that week.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a running back. But to Bucky's point, but Bucky,
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Speaker 2: could you take a year off and then come back
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Speaker 2: and see the difference here with the Rivers is he
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Speaker 2: took five years off and then he's coming back in
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Speaker 2: the playoff run in December with no training camp, no
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Speaker 2: run ups at all. Could you come in to September
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Speaker 2: after being off just a year and hit a major
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Speaker 2: league fastball.
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Speaker 7: No, that's what I'm saying. The timing wise, I couldn't
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Speaker 7: even though on my body if my body back in
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Speaker 7: the day was still good enough to actually swing the
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Speaker 7: bat at the speed I need to do it, No,
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Speaker 7: the timing wouldn't be there.
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Speaker 1: That's the whole thing.
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Speaker 7: I don't think anything mentally, and I think enough physically.
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Speaker 7: It will be fine with him because we've seen it before.
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Speaker 7: Guys that are older can can play quarterback. But it's
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Speaker 7: the timing part of it that I would feel would
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Speaker 7: be toughest to figure out.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's what the Colts and Saint Stichen are thinking.
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Speaker 2: Is that possible gap in timing worse than having Riley
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Speaker 2: Leonard hurt right or Brett Rippon start. And I bet
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Speaker 2: they're thinking, no, I'll take a forty four year old
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame grandpa who was one of the best
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Speaker 2: of his generation, even five years removed from that over
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Speaker 2: those two with the season on the line. That seems
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Speaker 2: to be the calculus that they're thinking in the Colts
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Speaker 2: headquarters right now, do we just roll with it and
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Speaker 2: see if he can catch up the speed during the game.
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Speaker 2: Let's hand it to Jonathan Taylor a few times in
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Speaker 2: the first half of the game so he can get
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Speaker 2: his field feet under him, throw a couple of screens
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Speaker 2: and dump offfs and then get gone. And that seems to.
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Speaker 6: Be what they're thinking about. I just you don't do.
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Speaker 2: This with this in these situations, with this few games
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Speaker 2: and the way the Colts are headed and how they
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Speaker 2: have to win now in the next four weeks. You
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Speaker 2: don't do that now if you're not going to play
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Speaker 2: him now, That's what I'm starting to think about. As
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Speaker 2: preposterous as all this is, it might be their best option. Now,
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Speaker 2: having said all this, if you're Mike McDonald and the Seahawks,
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Speaker 2: what are you thinking? And then we're gonna ask a.
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Speaker 1: Quesse this is I want to see how Philip Rivers
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Speaker 1: on that high school football field simulated Mike McDonald's defense.
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Speaker 2: Right there weren't any of Saint michael High School's defenses
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Speaker 2: having Nick emun warream Lafe at defensive end with Tevin
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Speaker 2: Williston behind him. Yes, yes, and yes. But for the Seahawks,
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Speaker 2: I wonder is this worse Because Mike McDonald's on Monday
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Speaker 2: talked about the wild card of a rookie quarterback. They
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Speaker 2: don't have much tape on them, and so they don't
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Speaker 2: it's a little tough, he says. It's actually tougher at
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Speaker 2: times for these rookie quarterbacks to get a game plan
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Speaker 2: and they're just going to do what they do. It's
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Speaker 2: got to be even tougher a forty four year old
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame or is it played in five years?
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Speaker 2: You're talking about unpredictability. Is he gonna have any kind
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Speaker 2: of mobility? Is he gonna get away from any pressure
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Speaker 2: at all? You would think that this plays in even
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Speaker 2: more to the Seahawks favor because their defense just tees
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Speaker 2: off on quarterbacks who are not mobile. If there was
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Speaker 2: ever an immobile quarterback, one who's forty four grandpa and
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Speaker 2: hasn't played in five years, it's got to be the
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Speaker 2: definition of that, right. So, as crazy as it sounds,
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Speaker 2: as Mike McDonald might be thinking, Holy cal this couldn't
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Speaker 2: work out better for me now. The story of stories,
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Speaker 2: of course, would be for Rivers to just light it
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Speaker 2: up and throw for four hundred yards in the rain
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Speaker 2: after not playing for five years. That would be unprecedented
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Speaker 2: in the league. And I don't know that the Colts
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Speaker 2: are going to ask him to do that. This is
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Speaker 2: still going to be a Jonathan Taylor game. But the
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Speaker 2: quarterback on third and eight will be one of the
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Speaker 2: best of his generation to do it, even if he's
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Speaker 2: forty four, it hasn't played in five years. It's wild.
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Speaker 2: But the more I think about it, the more I
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Speaker 2: think he's not coming to Seattle to stand on the
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Speaker 2: sidelines in the rain.
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Speaker 1: Bail Junior, I need you to be Devin Witherspoon on
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Speaker 1: this play. Uncle Monty, you come in here, You're going
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Speaker 1: to be Leonard Williams. So I got to get some
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Speaker 1: practice in. Honey, honey, honey, put down the wash. I
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Speaker 1: need you to come out here and be Ernest Jones
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Speaker 1: for me. I got to figure out I can need
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Speaker 1: some practice against the Seahawks defense.
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Speaker 6: Well, between his wife and ten kids, he's got enough.
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Speaker 2: He's got eleven right there to have a defense.
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Speaker 1: He's got the numbers.
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Speaker 6: Question. Yeah, he doesn't have to. He didn't even have
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Speaker 6: to go outside his house.
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Speaker 1: He's got the numbers. There's no question about that. Greg
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Speaker 1: bellis with us, our Seahawks insider, joins us nearly every
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Speaker 1: day here on the radio program gets you updated on
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks as they get ready to face the Indianapolis Colts.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose there are other stories than Philip Rivers
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Speaker 1: heading into this game. But I'll ask again about Jalen Sundell.
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Speaker 1: Did we get any more information about what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen with the offensive line?
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Speaker 6: No, we're off yesterday. Yeah, and they haven't.
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Speaker 2: They haven't activated him officially yet, so his clock hasn't started.
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Speaker 2: I'm expecting them to do that today, so that some
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Speaker 2: noking at the full week of practice today. Of course,
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Speaker 2: I asked on Monday, does that mean he's going to
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Speaker 2: guard center, and mccond just looked at him and said, yes,
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Speaker 2: he said, we'll see. I think it's gonna be center.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to, for continuity's sake, keep Bradford
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Speaker 2: at right guard, and they're going to roll back to
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Speaker 2: how they began the season. Listen Doll at center, Bradford
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Speaker 2: at right guard. And I mentioned he said that in Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: McDonald said that McDonald or that Anthony Bradford was their
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Speaker 2: highest rated offensive lineman, better in past protection than he's
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Speaker 2: been in a while. So I know fans would go,
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Speaker 2: what are you talking about. I'm going to take the
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Speaker 2: coaches and at his word, and maybe they know a
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Speaker 2: little bit more than we do about this, unless he's
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Speaker 2: just flat out line and trying to support his guard.
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Speaker 2: Now McDonald doesn't seem to do that. Carol would always,
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Speaker 2: to a fault protect his guys and talk well of
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Speaker 2: them and shine them up. McDonald not so much. He'll
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Speaker 2: just kind of be if the guys, we'll see type
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Speaker 2: of thing. And I get the feeling that they're going
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Speaker 2: to just go back to week one with soundel and
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Speaker 2: then they'll have a Timmy as a backup swing center
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Speaker 2: and guard the fact remains, if they had a better option,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Bradford, they would have used them already. And I
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Speaker 2: don't think that at the expensive center that Chanlen is
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Speaker 2: going to be that.
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Speaker 1: All right, Greg, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. You
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Speaker 1: know what's the first tradition that you guys will take
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Speaker 1: part in when you meet together for the Army Navy game?
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Speaker 1: Is it just a beer? Is it a toast? Or
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Speaker 1: is it secretive?
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Speaker 2: Well, actually don't have an actual standard every time. We
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Speaker 2: all come in at different times, so yeah, it's I
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Speaker 2: can't think of a trick. We always have a tailgate party.
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Speaker 2: We always go to the march On and watch the
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Speaker 2: Yeah That's do It clinic on Drew and watch the
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Speaker 2: Midshipman look like Snoopy and Woodstock. It's just absolute ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they do it. It's just their scars
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Speaker 2: are all askew and it looks like they just came
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Speaker 2: off the street and started walking around the stadium. I'm
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Speaker 2: like ushers or something. Anyone who's been an Arbor Davy
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Speaker 2: game knows exactly what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: No, actually we don't. We don't look at it with
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Speaker 1: that find of an eye I've seen it.
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Speaker 2: You have to be that fine of an eye.
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Speaker 6: They just have two eyes.
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Speaker 3: You can see that. The Navy has absolutely no precision.
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Speaker 3: It's like they never have drilled before. The undisciplined. It'd
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Speaker 3: be like a bunch of frat boys you dub try
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Speaker 3: to do drill.
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Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. Their scarves are all with skew, and
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Speaker 2: their buttons are off, and then some of them have
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Speaker 2: been untucked. Some of them. I've seen this before. They
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Speaker 2: wear sunglasses, which is absolutely against military rigs in all
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Speaker 2: forms and official duty uniform wearing sunglasses. I mean, anyway,
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Speaker 2: it's like a damn country club down there in.
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Speaker 8: The backlash A man, we'll do some roundtable tomorrow, all right,
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Speaker 8: we will thank you, all right, Greg Bell, our Seahawks
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Speaker 8: set insider gets fired up this time of the year.
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Speaker 1: That's a great rant, right, No bias at all.
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Speaker 7: No, No, I mean I think he looks at it
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Speaker 7: very evenly from both sides. I think there's any hidden
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Speaker 7: agenda there.
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Speaker 1: little too far with Philip Rivers. I have a really,
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Speaker 1: really hard time believing that he would be starting by
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Speaker 1: this Sunday. But I think he is being brought back
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Speaker 1: to play. I will say that I think he will
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Speaker 1: play at some point. I think the idea is to
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Speaker 1: eventually get him there. It seems impossible to get him
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Speaker 1: up to speed in time for Sunday against Mike McDonald's defense.
17:46
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that if Ripman goes down with
17:48
Speaker 1: an injury that he's not on the sidelines. And guess
17:51
Speaker 1: who's coming into the game. I think there is a
17:53
Speaker 1: chance that we will face him this week. It's just
17:56
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that he'll start coming up next.
17:58
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball in meetings, interesting little tidbit in the
18:03
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, maybe your a Polanco is asking
18:07
Speaker 1: for too much money? What then, Sports Radio ninety three
18:09
Speaker 1: point three kJ RFM. I meant, Huey Lewis, Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
18:14
Speaker 1: Pompe is Spanish for Huey Lewis Oh and the news
18:19
Speaker 1: Reckless at Breakfast coming up later on this hour. We'll
18:22
Speaker 1: talk some college football with that. But the Winter Meetings
18:24
Speaker 1: are going on right now. Even though it's nice to
18:27
Speaker 1: hear that. Boy, I don't know what happened Ashley's holiday cheer.
18:31
Speaker 1: You know winter meetings. I know Meetland.
18:34
Speaker 5: Well, it's because it didn't say Winter Meetings on here,
18:37
Speaker 5: so it didn't spark in my head winter.
18:38
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, it just says Jorge Polanka, So I
18:41
Speaker 1: typed in po oh, then that's how you ended up,
18:44
Speaker 1: and that's how I ended up there. Curious. Well, the
18:47
Speaker 1: Winter Meetings have finally produced a little bit of fruit,
18:50
Speaker 1: a couple of big free agent signings yesterday, but kind
18:53
Speaker 1: of as expected. I mean, it's just hard to I mean,
18:57
Speaker 1: they used to make a point of pulling all these
18:59
Speaker 1: moves to Winter Meetings time, but they just don't do
19:02
Speaker 1: it anymore. Everybody's out there trying to get the steal
19:05
Speaker 1: of the century, and so they're just more careful than
19:07
Speaker 1: ever before with transactions, I think in Major League Baseball,
19:12
Speaker 1: and the idea that you're going to put them all
19:13
Speaker 1: in the same hotel for three days in Orlando, Florida,
19:17
Speaker 1: especially with Mickey right around the corner. I mean, how
19:19
Speaker 1: can you keep concentrating on pulling off trade. So there
19:23
Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot of activity. There has been a
19:25
Speaker 1: pretty interesting rumor that has popped up here in the
19:27
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours suggesting that the reason that are
19:31
Speaker 1: Polanco has not re signed with the Mariners because he
19:34
Speaker 1: and his agent are driving too hard of a bargain.
19:37
Speaker 1: Apparently the asking price is a three year deal and
19:41
Speaker 1: more in the range of fifteen to seventeen maybe even
19:44
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars per year versus the twelve to fourteen
19:49
Speaker 1: that I think that we thought he was going to
19:52
Speaker 1: receive heading into the offseason, and maybe that's what he
19:55
Speaker 1: does end up receiving. We shall see. Playing simple, I
19:58
Speaker 1: want or a Polonco back. I like Hore Polonko. I'm
20:03
Speaker 1: glad that he had his terrific season this past year,
20:07
Speaker 1: but this is also Bucky, a thirty two year old
20:09
Speaker 1: who had one out of two good years with the Mariners,
20:12
Speaker 1: with a lot of injury history, and he doesn't really
20:15
Speaker 1: play very good defense anywhere, and I'm not gonna let
20:20
Speaker 1: him control this negotiation. If he wants to come back,
20:23
Speaker 1: I'll pay him, pay him fair market value. I'll give
20:26
Speaker 1: him a multi year contract. But I would certainly understand
20:31
Speaker 1: the Mariner's back at three years fifty four million dollars
20:34
Speaker 1: as an example.
20:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be a lot, right, because what is
20:38
Speaker 7: that eighteen? Is that what that comes up to? That's
20:40
Speaker 7: a lot. I mean, if i'm him, probably this is
20:45
Speaker 7: your last time to get a multi year deal, and
20:48
Speaker 7: so I would imagine him and his agent are going
20:50
Speaker 7: to be trying to drive as heart of a bargain
20:51
Speaker 7: as possible. Consider what you want, Yeah, considering what you
20:55
Speaker 7: did last year. I mean he rebounded, and he rebounded
20:58
Speaker 7: with one of the better years in the last five
21:02
Speaker 7: just to be like, hey, what you saw last year
21:04
Speaker 7: My first year in Seattle, which was his worst year
21:06
Speaker 7: of his career, was not Not only was that not
21:09
Speaker 7: the beginning of a decline, Like I'm I'm I am
21:13
Speaker 7: still the guy that can swing it and can you know,
21:15
Speaker 7: hit line drives and a bunch of doubles and you know,
21:18
Speaker 7: even if popped what twenty six home runs last year?
21:21
Speaker 7: So I wouldn't be surprised if it's probably that they're driving,
21:26
Speaker 7: He's driving a hard enough bargain where it's not where
21:28
Speaker 7: the Mariners want to go.
21:29
Speaker 6: Now I go.
21:31
Speaker 7: I would be okay with go him a little bit
21:32
Speaker 7: beyond what their comfort zone is, because I would like
21:34
Speaker 7: to bring him back as a DH to hopefully be
21:37
Speaker 7: able to keep him healthy. You'd switch hitting his huge
21:41
Speaker 7: for him and for the team to have a guy
21:43
Speaker 7: like that so you can shift your lineup around and
21:47
Speaker 7: then fill in when you need to fill in at
21:49
Speaker 7: second base and possibly third if needed. But yeah, I
21:53
Speaker 7: would like him to go a little bit beyond wherever
21:55
Speaker 7: their comfort zone is. But yeah, I wouldn't pay him
21:57
Speaker 7: anything near twenty million dollars a year if that's what
21:59
Speaker 7: he's fighting for.
22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's just a limit, and there are other
22:03
Speaker 1: options out there. I mean, we have a second baseman
22:06
Speaker 1: who I want to see play this year in Cole
22:08
Speaker 1: Young and and Gino. I don't know where the Geno
22:13
Speaker 1: contract discussions are, if they've even started those. He's been
22:17
Speaker 1: linked to the Red Sox. He's been linked to the
22:19
Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs. But now you got this katel Marte. I mean,
22:22
Speaker 1: if he's asking for seventeen eighteen million dollars, that's what
22:25
Speaker 1: katel Marte makes per season, and Katel Marte has just
22:28
Speaker 1: been the better player over the last five years. Yeah,
22:32
Speaker 1: he said just about as many injuries. But I mean,
22:35
Speaker 1: this is a guy that's reached superstar status. Now you
22:38
Speaker 1: got to give up assets in order to get Katel Marte.
22:41
Speaker 1: But CJ. Abrams is another one from the Washington Nationals.
22:45
Speaker 1: I know the Mariners have a limit. My guess is
22:47
Speaker 1: it's more the years than it is the money. But
22:51
Speaker 1: it's not like jore Polanco gets just to name his price.
22:55
Speaker 1: I think they definitely want him back, but they're certainly
22:58
Speaker 1: not going to do it at his agent's price. I mean,
23:01
Speaker 1: he's going to have to play ball with how the
23:03
Speaker 1: Mariners want to pay him if he's going to be
23:05
Speaker 1: back next year.
23:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can understand him thinking or feeling like, I
23:10
Speaker 5: want to go for as much money as possible, especially
23:13
Speaker 5: considering the season he had last year and looking at
23:16
Speaker 5: the negotiation of the deal that the Mariners in him
23:19
Speaker 5: had right coming back and then proving himself and being
23:22
Speaker 5: given the chance to prove himself, I think that meant
23:24
Speaker 5: a lot. I would think that that would go a
23:26
Speaker 5: little further.
23:27
Speaker 1: You would think, we hope that that stuff goes a
23:29
Speaker 1: little bit, but we never know, to Bucky's point, Hey,
23:32
Speaker 1: that's probably my last chance to get as much money
23:34
Speaker 1: as I possibly can, and I'm going to get as
23:36
Speaker 1: much money as I possibly can. And I've said this
23:38
Speaker 1: a lot. If that's your mentality, then you're probably not
23:40
Speaker 1: going to be a Mariner.
23:41
Speaker 5: Right And I would hope that they can figure out
23:43
Speaker 5: a way to bring him back as well. But if
23:45
Speaker 5: especially because of the ability for him to do a
23:48
Speaker 5: couple different things for you, should you need it be
23:50
Speaker 5: the DH but if he needed to play second or third,
23:52
Speaker 5: he could. But you know, if it's too much, then
23:56
Speaker 5: move on.
23:56
Speaker 1: I thought he was going last year and they figured
23:58
Speaker 1: out a way to bring a he was almost a
24:00
Speaker 1: Houston Astro. That might have been the difference in the
24:02
Speaker 1: American League West, the Mariner's convincing him to come back
24:07
Speaker 1: and give it another shot here versus him going and
24:09
Speaker 1: hitting twenty six home runs for the Astros last season.
24:13
Speaker 1: So I know they wont him back, but I also
24:16
Speaker 1: know they have their limits, and I think that is
24:18
Speaker 1: probably two years and maybe it gets up to fifteen,
24:22
Speaker 1: but I doubt it's going to be more than that.
24:24
Speaker 7: Well then, I mean two years, thirty million bucks, I'd
24:27
Speaker 7: do it. I wouldn't even be afraid. I mean, I'm
24:29
Speaker 7: looking at Spowtrack and it has his market value and
24:32
Speaker 7: I don't trust this necessarily, but it has it at
24:35
Speaker 7: fourteen point six million dollars a year and they say
24:37
Speaker 7: market value three years, So three years at that fourteen
24:41
Speaker 7: point six that's forty three and change. I'd go ahead
24:44
Speaker 7: and do that if that's that one extra year where
24:47
Speaker 7: you're like, man, I don't want to be paying dude
24:48
Speaker 7: when he's thirty five, especially with the injury history that
24:51
Speaker 7: he's had in a couple of years being here and
24:53
Speaker 7: even before that when he was a twin. I get that.
24:56
Speaker 7: But at the same time, boy, don't you know let
24:59
Speaker 7: something get away that there is other options, But don't
25:03
Speaker 7: think you wouldn't have a giant hole to focus. To me,
25:05
Speaker 7: this is one that you get to play your second,
25:08
Speaker 7: your young second basement and Cole Young or Bliss, however
25:11
Speaker 7: that works out in the middle infield, you get to
25:14
Speaker 7: play that guy and then you Jaye planco and if
25:18
Speaker 7: that young guy isn't getting it done and somebody else
25:20
Speaker 7: is hit and then you can swap that DH thing around.
25:22
Speaker 1: Well, Martek a DH that would be a way to
25:24
Speaker 1: preserve him. I mean, I mean, if you're getting into
25:27
Speaker 1: three years and seventeen eighteen million, you might as well
25:30
Speaker 1: get Marte at that point, get the better player.
25:34
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I don't know more. I mean, I
25:35
Speaker 7: know what his numbers look like it was, and he
25:39
Speaker 7: has had the injury history too. You just I mean,
25:41
Speaker 7: I guess you can't.
25:41
Speaker 6: Really.
25:42
Speaker 7: I'm not one that typically will get hung up on
25:44
Speaker 7: the injury history, even though you got to take it
25:46
Speaker 7: into account. To them though, is the difference Is two
25:49
Speaker 7: million bucks a difference if you can get Jorge at
25:52
Speaker 7: three years for fifteen or fourteen versus seventeen for Is
25:57
Speaker 7: that is that a difference to them?
25:58
Speaker 1: What?
25:59
Speaker 7: What else there? You're out they have to fill out
26:02
Speaker 7: on this roster? I don't know, all right.
26:03
Speaker 1: Coming up next on the program, we get a little
26:06
Speaker 1: Reckless at Breakfast with the future of the college football
26:09
Speaker 1: Playoff Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Get rid
26:12
Speaker 1: of some of this drama here in the future. There's
26:14
Speaker 1: no solving it entirely. You're always going to have a committee,
26:18
Speaker 1: there's always going to be subcepjectivity. You got one hundred
26:21
Speaker 1: and forty teams that you're trying to shove into a
26:23
Speaker 1: twelve piece box here at the end of the season.
26:27
Speaker 1: And there's always doesn't matter how large you make, the
26:29
Speaker 1: tournament going to be somebody who's gets their feelings hurt.
26:32
Speaker 1: And so maybe maybe a couple of things. And I
26:37
Speaker 1: got to give credit for this what Rick new Isiel
26:39
Speaker 1: said yesterday, and one of our listeners, Nick Allen, tweeted
26:42
Speaker 1: it to me yesterday. And I don't know if this
26:45
Speaker 1: stuff's out there already and I just haven't seen it.
26:48
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, those two comments sparked an idea
26:51
Speaker 1: in my head, and so I'm going to run it
26:53
Speaker 1: past all of you here this morning on Reckless at Breakfast.
26:57
Speaker 1: So what if we did replace conference chamchampionship week with
27:01
Speaker 1: a play in round of the tournament. Now we don't
27:04
Speaker 1: call it the tournament. You know, I've said steadfastly, I
27:07
Speaker 1: want to play this twelve team tournament out for a
27:10
Speaker 1: little while and see what we need to do. Obviously
27:13
Speaker 1: some adjustments need to be made. But if instead of
27:16
Speaker 1: a college football conference championship game, we had a play
27:22
Speaker 1: in round, so we had the same number of games,
27:26
Speaker 1: four games, and you get to automatically punch your ticket,
27:31
Speaker 1: but we use it on the teams that are all
27:33
Speaker 1: on the bubble. So, in other words, the typical sixteen
27:38
Speaker 1: team format is one versus sixteen, and two versus fifteen,
27:41
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. We're going to have
27:45
Speaker 1: a sixteen team field, but only twelve technically get into
27:50
Speaker 1: the tournament, and the top four teams still get their buys,
27:55
Speaker 1: and the next four teams still get their home games.
27:59
Speaker 1: But we're going to use that conference championship game to
28:01
Speaker 1: determine who's in the tournament and who's out of the tournament.
28:04
Speaker 1: So now let me explain that because it might be confusing.
28:07
Speaker 1: So under this, the teams that would be in we're
28:10
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and get the conference champions regular season,
28:14
Speaker 1: regular season. We'll use all the tie breakers, whatever we
28:16
Speaker 1: got to do so that would crown Virginia as the
28:19
Speaker 1: ACC champion. They won by a full game over everybody else.
28:23
Speaker 1: ACC champion Texas Tech, they won the tiebreaker over BYU,
28:28
Speaker 1: smacked them around. Ohio State actually won the regular season
28:32
Speaker 1: over Indiana, I believe, And then we all now know
28:36
Speaker 1: famously that Alabama won the regular season. We would have
28:40
Speaker 1: never even had to worry about Alabama's resume. We just
28:42
Speaker 1: given them an automatic bid right then and there and
28:44
Speaker 1: not made them play a conference championship game. So those
28:47
Speaker 1: four are automatically in. Then we're going to use the
28:50
Speaker 1: committee to vote four more automatically in. So these are
28:54
Speaker 1: the four at large teams that don't have to play
28:58
Speaker 1: to get into the tournament. Just using the College Football
29:02
Speaker 1: Playoff Committee rankings, that would put Indiana as an automatic in.
29:06
Speaker 1: That would put Georgia as an automatic in, that would
29:09
Speaker 1: put Oregon as an automatic in, and that would put
29:12
Speaker 1: ole miss as an automatic in. So they're the four
29:15
Speaker 1: wildcard teams that the Committee is determined don't have to
29:18
Speaker 1: sing for their supper. Those eight teams are in. So
29:22
Speaker 1: now our play in week and again, using the College
29:25
Speaker 1: Football Playoff Committee's pairings and rankings, will have a best
29:29
Speaker 1: of five championship games. So this guarantees a best of
29:34
Speaker 1: five team and our twelve, but it also make guarantees
29:38
Speaker 1: that we don't have to have two of them in
29:41
Speaker 1: that don't deserve it. So we will have Tulane play
29:44
Speaker 1: James Madison. They play each other, and the winner gets
29:48
Speaker 1: in the tournament and the loser is out, and then
29:52
Speaker 1: we take Then we're going to rank them all over again.
29:55
Speaker 1: The other three games that will be played Texas the
30:00
Speaker 1: one we'll take on Miami because we're not gonna map
30:05
Speaker 1: conference teams play each other in this round, and this
30:10
Speaker 1: way the SEC is satisfied this is their chance to
30:12
Speaker 1: get seven teams in the tournament. We can also prove
30:16
Speaker 1: that maybe the SEC isn't as good as what they
30:18
Speaker 1: think they are, so we're gonna make sure if we
30:20
Speaker 1: can avoid it. We're not gonna make conference opponents face
30:23
Speaker 1: each other in the play in week. So based off
30:26
Speaker 1: of their pairings, that would be number one Texas, A
30:28
Speaker 1: and m versus number five Miami, Number two Oklahoma versus
30:33
Speaker 1: Number four BYU, and number three Notre Dame versus number
30:37
Speaker 1: six Texas and let Vanderbilt and Utah complain because they
30:40
Speaker 1: didn't get in. Okay, Okay, So we play those four
30:44
Speaker 1: games as play in games to the tournament. They aren't
30:47
Speaker 1: even considered tournament teams. We're using that week conference championship week.
30:51
Speaker 1: We've gotten rid of the conference championship games. It's too confusing,
30:55
Speaker 1: it's too muddled, and we play four play in games
30:59
Speaker 1: to determine who who gets to the next round, where
31:03
Speaker 1: the five through eight teams ranked are waiting at home
31:09
Speaker 1: to play in round number one of our tournament. So
31:14
Speaker 1: Tulane James Madison winner faces Oregon, the five seed in Eugene,
31:19
Speaker 1: Texas A Texas and m and Miami winner plays eight
31:22
Speaker 1: Virginia at Virginia two Oklahoma BYU they will play at
31:27
Speaker 1: Alabama the final week. Our seventh ranked team, you don't
31:30
Speaker 1: get top four seed just because you won your conference
31:33
Speaker 1: three Notre Dame six Texas, they'll take on our sixth seed,
31:37
Speaker 1: all miss and then those two teams, those eight teams
31:41
Speaker 1: play four games the following week to determine who advances
31:44
Speaker 1: to the next round, where the top four ranked teams
31:47
Speaker 1: in America are waiting Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, and Texas Tech.
31:52
Speaker 1: So it's a sixteen team field, but we really only
31:56
Speaker 1: acknowledge twelve teams make the tournament, and the same four
32:00
Speaker 1: that got the buye get their same advantage that they
32:02
Speaker 1: had before, and the next four still get that home
32:05
Speaker 1: field advantage in their first game, and then we can
32:09
Speaker 1: allow four more teams to not get ranked by the
32:13
Speaker 1: committee but to actually compete for the last four spots
32:17
Speaker 1: in our twelve team tournament field. What do we think
32:19
Speaker 1: of that?
32:20
Speaker 7: I like it and I don't mean to oversimplify it,
32:23
Speaker 7: because you just explained that very well.
32:25
Speaker 1: That's a bait.
32:26
Speaker 7: To me, it feels like a sixteen team tournament where
32:28
Speaker 7: the top eight get buys, the top four get two buys,
32:32
Speaker 7: right where you get Yeah, so it's basically the same thing.
32:34
Speaker 1: I like it.
32:35
Speaker 6: I like and that.
32:36
Speaker 7: Yet if that's a way where it still feels like
32:39
Speaker 7: it's a twelve team tournament, to me, it's you just
32:41
Speaker 7: give an opportunity to some people that it feels like
32:44
Speaker 7: there's people not just a fan basis. Just when I'm
32:47
Speaker 7: looking at it. I don't care about USC or Utah.
32:50
Speaker 7: I don't care about Vanderbilt one bit, but they do
32:53
Speaker 7: people cheering for them are like, come on, I mean way,
32:56
Speaker 7: maybe not as much as the big hooplah about not
33:00
Speaker 7: Dame because of that whole thing and how they kind
33:02
Speaker 7: of got screwed by the committee, but it takes it
33:04
Speaker 7: a little bit out of the politicized thing. Sure, there's
33:07
Speaker 7: still gonna be some of the issues at the end
33:09
Speaker 7: of the season. Somebody's gonna be on the outside of
33:10
Speaker 7: the bubble. They didn't even get to plan the playing things.
33:13
Speaker 7: But yes, to some degree, with the little wrinkle in
33:16
Speaker 7: there of James Madison Tulane. Unless you've went thirteen and
33:20
Speaker 7: oh or twelve and oh and you've found yourself ranked
33:23
Speaker 7: in the top ten somewhere where you're automatically in if
33:26
Speaker 7: you're one of the if you're like they are this year,
33:28
Speaker 7: where you're twentieth and twenty fifth or whatever. All right,
33:30
Speaker 7: we're gonna give you guys a chance to play each other,
33:32
Speaker 7: and whoever wins, we're gonna thrust you into that play
33:36
Speaker 7: in tournament part of the whole thing. But yeah, I like,
33:40
Speaker 7: I like the idea of expanding it somewhat, but at
33:43
Speaker 7: a controlled pace where it's not just you know, trying
33:46
Speaker 7: to make it some march madness, but for football that's absurd.
33:49
Speaker 5: I like the idea of having those games replace the
33:51
Speaker 5: conference championships. It seems to be much more productive.
33:55
Speaker 1: Not nearly as confusing, Right, how do I value getting in?
33:59
Speaker 1: And yeah, you take you eliminate that.
34:02
Speaker 7: Well, it's like how Hugh says, too, like the idea
34:03
Speaker 7: of the whole season you play to where you hopefully
34:06
Speaker 7: get a buy in the conference championship week. It's like, no,
34:09
Speaker 7: hey Oregon, you sit back, and oh Miss sit back.
34:12
Speaker 7: You guys don't have to play in this thing. Well,
34:14
Speaker 7: these other teams do, and they may or may not
34:17
Speaker 7: get punished for it.
34:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, have two different selection shows, you know, the one
34:22
Speaker 1: that announces those that have made the play in and
34:25
Speaker 1: the eight that don't have to play, uh and are
34:28
Speaker 1: already going to be in the tournament. And then once
34:31
Speaker 1: you play the games you get have a second selection
34:33
Speaker 1: show and then you reveal the matchups and how you
34:36
Speaker 1: did rank the eight teams that were already in, and
34:39
Speaker 1: that reveals who got the two buys. Maybe that's the
34:43
Speaker 1: way to go with all of this it uh, you know.
34:46
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not angry about what's happened. I mean,
34:49
Speaker 1: we have a tournament now, and we knew that there
34:52
Speaker 1: were gonna be some trial and error involved in this,
34:54
Speaker 1: some experimentation that was going to take place. I'm just
34:57
Speaker 1: happy we have a tournament. But every year we should
34:59
Speaker 1: try to figure ways to tweak it and make it better,
35:02
Speaker 1: make it cleaner, and try to take as much subjectivity
35:05
Speaker 1: out of it as we possibly can. And maybe this
35:08
Speaker 1: is a better option than what we have right now.
35:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it is. I think it's definitely better
35:12
Speaker 7: than what we have right now. And yet I'm with you.
35:15
Speaker 7: We're way better that we're right now where we are
35:17
Speaker 7: than just three years ago, and three years ago was
35:20
Speaker 7: better than where we were for one hundred years before
35:22
Speaker 7: that in the direction all.
35:24
Speaker 1: Right, coming up next?
35:25
Speaker 4: Uh?
35:26
Speaker 1: In case you were wondering, we asked Rick new Isil
35:28
Speaker 1: point blank yesterday if he is going to be the
35:30
Speaker 1: next head coach of the Washington State Cougars. If you
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