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- 0:01Below deck by Lantern glow on biscuit hard and peace went
- 0:09slow. We.
- 0:11Filled our balls. And.
- 0:13Raised a cheer for Red Bull Walla.
- 0:17Lowest roaring near. Welcome everyone, Welcome back
- 0:22from London and wherever you were watching the tournament.
- 0:26I am here and I am joined once again by Daniela.
- 0:29Hey. Chris.
- 0:30Feels like whenever I do an intro I always feel like I suck
- 0:35because I always think of Riley and Dash and the likes who do
- 0:40amazing intros and all these kind of events and it's just a
- 0:44pleasure watching them. I don't think you should think
- 0:50that way. I don't think you should compare
- 0:53like, you know, an introduction to a podcast with, you know, and
- 0:58big event hosted by some grand organizers or with a nasty
- 1:06tournament presenter or such like.
- 1:10There are there are different occasions and also I feel like
- 1:13if you would pull some sort of like ultimate introduction like
- 1:18they're doing for a podcast, I think I think that would be a
- 1:22bit too much. Whereas again, like them saying
- 1:26like, oh, hey, everyone, I'm Riley and this is Dash.
- 1:29And then going straight to the to the thing again, it it
- 1:33wouldn't work. So yeah, I think it's different
- 1:35occasions. I think, I actually think you
- 1:37would do you, you would make for a fantastic host, if I'm being
- 1:42honest, Chris. Oh that's so sweet.
- 1:45I'm not sure I agree. I think, well, you don't have
- 1:49to. Well, yeah, Yeah.
- 1:50Let's just leave it at that. I am.
- 1:54I am very jealous of everyone who has who was at the event.
- 1:58And I'm especially jealous of the players and the talents that
- 2:02were there. I felt like everyone did a great
- 2:04performance. But we'll save our overall
- 2:07review of the event for the end of this episode.
- 2:11Instead, we'll start by talking about the highlights of the
- 2:15tournament. Game wise, I think best way to
- 2:19go about this is to just go from day-to-day.
- 2:23I have a few a couple of notes, but not much.
- 2:28And then we'll just well state whatever we think was memorable
- 2:33and was was, was good. We have a different perspective.
- 2:35I was watching the main feed for the whole time and you were
- 2:40casting pretty much everything I believe.
- 2:43I consider everything except the finals.
- 2:46Except for the finals. OK, good.
- 2:50So the goal of this episode is just to recap the event.
- 2:55And that also means that we will be heavily spoiling everything.
- 3:00So if you haven't seen all of the event or if you want to just
- 3:05save some certain parts of the event and rewatch them and you
- 3:09don't want to be spoiled, then this is not the podcast for you.
- 3:13You have been warned officially now.
- 3:15So let's go about it and start with day one.
- 3:19I've got one set I want to highlight and that was the Viper
- 3:24versus Sebastian set. Yeah, the entire day started
- 3:28very, very good with that set. Went a bit like pretty high, but
- 3:34not as much to with the next one which was Anvil versus you.
- 3:39And then the hype dropped significantly when it was
- 3:45followed by Lyra ACCM and Herr Hard, which were both definite 3
- 3:50OS. So yeah, probably Seva versus
- 3:55Survivor was the set of the day. I I agree.
- 3:58I think so too. So there's a bit of a storyline
- 4:01there because Sebastian is still the up and coming player.
- 4:06He's pretty. He was the youngest at the
- 4:08tournament, if I am, if I'm correct.
- 4:11And you know, Viper is a seasoned veteran, He's one of
- 4:16the best players still, but he had trouble to qualify for the
- 4:21event. He came in very late and only
- 4:24because Vincent didn't get his visa, so he wasn't that weird
- 4:28spot where people actually expect him to do well in STR
- 4:32tournaments, especially in LAN events, because he should be one
- 4:35of the guys who has the most experience and who should
- 4:38benefit from this kind of stage. But then again, he performed
- 4:43poorly to his standards during the qualifiers, so it would have
- 4:48been understandable if Viper would have been out in the group
- 4:51stage. But it it's also no surprise
- 4:54that he actually went on to qualify for later stages.
- 4:58So I guess my question to you is, going into the set between
- 5:02Viper and Sebastian, what did you think?
- 5:04Did you think Viper would actually be able to beat
- 5:07Sebastian or did you think that Sebastian would sweep him?
- 5:12Maybe not sweep, I expected it to be to be close, but I would
- 5:17think Seba would win if we take a step back in time and if we
- 5:25remember the second chance qualifier.
- 5:27Seba qualified because he beat Viper.
- 5:30Yeah. So I even saw a meme on Reddit
- 5:35that you know that that meme when someone is kicked out from
- 5:39a Tavern or from a bar or whatever.
- 5:41And then like Siba thinking he got rid of Viper and then here
- 5:45comes Viper, like I'm back. Waiting for him, yeah.
- 5:53And it was a close set. So Viper actually took the lead.
- 5:57He he went on to lead 2O in that set and then Sebastian came back
- 6:02equalizing 2 to 2. And in the last game, Viper took
- 6:06the win and he got his first win in the on the first day.
- 6:10So seeing that match, I got pretty excited.
- 6:15I felt like everything's possible and it also felt to me,
- 6:19but not only in this set but in the entire sets on that first
- 6:23day, that many players felt a bit shaky.
- 6:27I, I would actually like to to point out something regarding
- 6:30that set. Again, just like you said, it
- 6:33went to game five. It was super close.
- 6:34It was 2 to 2 and then we had a decider match in a best of five.
- 6:38It was the exact same thing in the last chance qualifier as
- 6:41well. So after both sets, the winner
- 6:46said something like it could have gone either way.
- 6:49And I feel that way as well that it it could have gone either
- 6:54way, which is only an indicator of Seba's performance in the
- 7:01last years. How how far he's come.
- 7:05I know Viper is not like playing in his prime time.
- 7:10I think he, he's had his peak and he's obviously not playing
- 7:14like when he was winning absolutely everything and, and
- 7:17such. But I, I don't think that should
- 7:21take anything away from how good Sebastian, his performance and
- 7:26for the youngest player there to, to perform that well.
- 7:30I think I, I, I think it's a big thing.
- 7:35I, I think it's worth mentioning and well, we're going to talk
- 7:38later. His performance didn't stop
- 7:40there. He actually went quite far into
- 7:42the tournament. He did.
- 7:44It's especially exciting for me to see Sebastian perform that
- 7:48well. You probably haven't heard it,
- 7:51but like almost two years ago I did an interview with Sebastian.
- 7:56It was almost an hour long talk that I had with him after he won
- 8:00the first Socracy Cup. That was his first big
- 8:03performance in his first tournament win.
- 8:06And it was so exciting to talk to him back then because he was
- 8:10still that young talent up and Comer.
- 8:13And he was also kind of surprised by his performance.
- 8:16But he was also very proud of himself because he put in so
- 8:19much work. And he was telling me stories
- 8:23about how he tried to like very systematically improve on
- 8:29himself because he, he started off as an Archer player and just
- 8:34very, very late in his career, just just before a fellow
- 8:37Socracy Cup I believe, he told me that he started to practice
- 8:42playing with cavalry civilizations because he felt
- 8:45like he was very good with Archers but very bad with
- 8:47cavalry. And that was like 2 years ago.
- 8:51And now he's on the big stage of the greatest tournament of all
- 8:55time. It's just such amazing progress.
- 8:59Was telling the I was so proud with myself because I was
- 9:03telling people before he want alasocracy.
- 9:06I I think people are sleeping on Siban.
- 9:08I think this is going to be a great talent and when he wants
- 9:11alasocracy. I was like, I knew it.
- 9:13I knew it. See, what did I tell you?
- 9:17Yeah, exactly. So for everyone listening to
- 9:20this podcast, if you haven't heard that interview, I, I, I
- 9:23very much would like to for you to go back in the podcast feed
- 9:27and just have a listen to that because I think it's amazing to
- 9:31see a player have this progress. So yeah, day one.
- 9:36Oh my God. As I said, oh.
- 9:38My God. Oh, let's go.
- 9:40Let's go. Next to my favorite day from the
- 9:42tournament. Second favorite.
- 9:45I I I think the final day was the best.
- 9:47Probably but but. I think so too.
- 9:49They, they too, they. Oh my God, from the groove
- 9:51stages. Let's just say that from the
- 9:53groove stages, Day 2 was by far for me, the best day ever.
- 9:57Oh my God. I rewatched this this games like
- 10:00I casted this games for 8 or 9 hours and then I was so excited
- 10:06about three of these sets that I I sat down with my husband later
- 10:11in the evening. I was like, you have to rewatch
- 10:13this with me like and then I rewatched the main cast of them
- 10:16as well. I can't believe that in a while.
- 10:19Yeah, it's, it was insane. Like that was my favorite day by
- 10:23far. OK, so tell me about it.
- 10:25What was your highlight? Well started with Harry and Bill
- 10:28right? The game, the game Oh my God.
- 10:31First of all, how how the hell I don't expect and Bill to perform
- 10:35that well. First of all, I feel like he
- 10:38chokes in big tournaments big time like he's sometimes making
- 10:42the top 8 but then like he's through the 1st ones to be
- 10:46eliminated. But I'm telling you, the moments
- 10:49that he's getting on the stage, their entertaining.
- 10:53Like for some reason, he even said in the in some of those
- 10:58entry interviews as Raghu made, for some reason he's very
- 11:03confident against her. I don't know what's the reason
- 11:06behind that. Maybe maybe he goes into a set
- 11:11thinking like, Oh well, it's Hera, I might lose anyway.
- 11:15Like let's make the best of it. Or like, I don't know what's the
- 11:18reason why. And he he said he doesn't know
- 11:21what's the reason why either. He also said that he's going to
- 11:25probably going to get destroyed by Hera, but still he feels like
- 11:28he has good chances against it. That was very nice.
- 11:31Right. And then he pushes the the set
- 11:35to decider. He pushes that to Game 5.
- 11:37He does. He actually went on to win the
- 11:40first game of that set and on Dorothea Quarry.
- 11:43Dorothea Quarry was my favorite map of the tournament.
- 11:47He's very good. It is it Well, of course it is.
- 11:51It's a it's a it's a land map and there's lots of cab Archers.
- 11:54But MBL, he had different ideas. He just completely overrun Hera
- 12:00with with with his Aztecs pick, which was kind of a surprise.
- 12:05Hera was going for the Persians and MBL decided to go with an
- 12:10eagle rush, extremely aggressive opening.
- 12:14And he was trying to punish Hera because Hera was playing your
- 12:17usual fast castle, well, not exactly fast castle, but you
- 12:21know what I mean, like going to castle as quickly as possible.
- 12:25And Hera was also adding TCS then.
- 12:27So what MBL did was he was just going all in eagles, going to
- 12:31castle age later on, and he was relentlessly killing villager
- 12:35after villager after villager and Hera was just overwhelmed.
- 12:39That's not a sight you see that often.
- 12:42Absolutely. He the hero was just playing
- 12:45kind of metal on that map, just walling, investing the tiniest
- 12:50amount of military and then trying to go up to Catholics
- 12:54into into Cavarchus. Most of the times when I saw him
- 12:57play and he just crumbled against something that that he
- 13:02didn't expect. Yeah, and then Daniela, game
- 13:07three. Oh my God that was so good.
- 13:10That was Bohemians from MBL against Vietnamese from Hera on
- 13:14Thames Thames. And even though it didn't go all
- 13:20the way, it was basically a score win because there were
- 13:23only a couple of minutes left and MBL had an unkillable army
- 13:27of Hussite wagons and helps that Hera just couldn't break.
- 13:31So he at the end had to give up because he because NBA was sure
- 13:36to win by score. And that was such an amazing
- 13:38game as well. Yeah, Just to give you guys, you
- 13:42know, an overview, I just going to throw a couple of numbers
- 13:46here. So NBL had over 60 elite
- 13:53household wagons with Bohemians. I've never seen that amount of
- 13:57that unit in an STR tournament in my life.
- 14:02Especially against. Hera and Hera was just trying to
- 14:06win it with like as man again, like all the fights.
- 14:09So now just to put a bit things in perspective, because I think
- 14:13when when they resign or like when Hera resign rather, Hera
- 14:17was very close to 200 pop, if I recall correctly.
- 14:20And I think NBL was very close to 100, if not under.
- 14:26But just to get an idea where all that score was coming from
- 14:30is because Harold was trying to push that with Lycam.
- 14:34Harold had a hundreds of Lycas. He had 107 bills on food at some
- 14:41point and he was just 8080 like having the Q60 Lycas.
- 14:47It was pouring, it was trying with absolutely everything, fire
- 14:51Lancers. But then he ran out of gold and
- 14:53MBL was controlling gold. The gold.
- 14:54He raided MBL to death. He raided MBL to the point where
- 14:58she didn't have what to raid anymore.
- 14:59MBL had like 50 bills and all of them were Garrison in the
- 15:03castles or around the castles. Like Harold was sending 30 like
- 15:08have to raid his initial base that was a ghost town.
- 15:10There was nothing in his digital base.
- 15:13It didn't it, it didn't matter. It was just absolutely Fiesta
- 15:19like that was. So I said during the cast, you
- 15:22know how Paradox has at the end of the year, the community
- 15:26awards and one of the that category is game of the year.
- 15:34I said, you know what, I will never want to forget about this
- 15:37game. In my head I was like I I don't
- 15:40think there's going to be another game to top this, but
- 15:44I'm just going to literally write it on the post it and put
- 15:47it on the wall to not forget about this until the end of the
- 15:50year. I have to.
- 15:51Little did I know that by the end of the day I would change my
- 15:55post it. By the end of the day.
- 15:58By the end of the day, yes. OK, well, yeah, I think it was.
- 16:05It was just an epic side because it it's not like MBL was playing
- 16:09extremely defensive with that army composition.
- 16:12He had parked his whole army of 60 hazard wagons inside the base
- 16:18of Hera right in the middle of his farming economy.
- 16:21So it was crazy that Hera was unable to to destroy that army.
- 16:26But yeah, amazing game. But then what?
- 16:31What other game topped this game for you?
- 16:34Your versus heart on glaciers. That was romance versus you're
- 16:41playing as. Yeah, yeah.
- 16:43OK, So tell me about it. Well, I, I thought heart was
- 16:47completely dead. That was a score win for you.
- 16:51The second one for the day. I thought there's literally
- 16:55nothing that romance can do against the Europeans league
- 16:57game. And honestly, I, I, I think you
- 17:03was under the same impression because he was simply just not
- 17:07migrating a lot of the fights like he was.
- 17:10He had a big ball of military, 60 Ethiopian arm blasters with
- 17:17four or five bomber cannons behind with torsion engines.
- 17:21What do you do against all of that?
- 17:24He pushed it. It was on glaciers.
- 17:27He had pushed up until the the hill that Hart was on up until
- 17:34middle of his base and Hart is losing a castle and I say like
- 17:38OK Gigi let's go next. I I don't that was game 4.
- 17:44I believe I was like there's no OK, let's go decide there to
- 17:48two. It is what it is like no, Hart
- 17:51doesn't have any chance and that was like minute 30.
- 17:55So from that point with the Romans against this from 20
- 18:01military to 80 from yo with a sieve loss for the game to end
- 18:10inside Yo's base with everything raised in the middle, to me that
- 18:16was unheard of. I, I, I would not believe anyone
- 18:20that would describe the situation to me as in like, oh,
- 18:23this happened in that game. I was like it's impossible with
- 18:26a sieve that doesn't get racer that has shitty scrims and yes
- 18:30they do have last armor but it's Ethiopian arms.
- 18:34Like if you don't get to launch your shot in time it doesn't
- 18:39matter about your armor they're going to kill you fast.
- 18:42And and like Oh my God the amount of scrims that he fed to
- 18:47the tortion and engines bombed by cannons.
- 18:49They were just carpets of red throughout the entire map.
- 18:56Thus again, the score win yo ended that game under 65 pop and
- 19:03Hart was 200 for the last 20 minutes of the game.
- 19:05Constantly. It didn't matter.
- 19:08Like the score gap was impossible to close.
- 19:11Because of how? Because of the KD, because of
- 19:13the resources destroyed on the map, Because that that game was
- 19:17absolute cinema. I think it was because of
- 19:20torsion engines right? Just because of how much damage
- 19:23yo did to the endless amounts of skirms that hard put on the
- 19:28field. But he had a fighting spirit
- 19:31like ACCM does. That's what I'm saying like that
- 19:35that was there were a couple of the the games that you know, I'm
- 19:39saying, oh man, I wish there would have been a score limit.
- 19:42But then again, in the same time, it's so nice to see how
- 19:46they react. One thing I will say, they react
- 19:49way too late. They they think about the score
- 19:52way too late. They think about the score, I
- 19:56don't know, 5 minutes before the freaking one hour and 15, the
- 20:01time limit, I don't know. For instance, I think in that
- 20:06game Hard managed to push into that ARB mass and try to snap a
- 20:12couple of the Walmart candidates with sea Drams.
- 20:17Sea drams was researched after the one hour mark.
- 20:20I think if he would have had I, I think he could have afforded
- 20:24sea DRAM earlier. Maybe, maybe he has.
- 20:28Like a torsion engines. True, I understand, but like at
- 20:32at least that in front of your scrims, at least they the they
- 20:36will focus for a bit on the C drum.
- 20:38Like I, I understand that it's also a soak of resources, but
- 20:43maybe in that time when they're focused on your C drum, you can
- 20:48push a bit with your scrims and like you can try to go around
- 20:52and snap the bomber hands with the with the lycaps you can lose
- 20:571 unit instead of six other ones because that shot is targeted
- 21:03towards your C DRAM and not towards your scarms.
- 21:09I think the the way he pushed on that hill was because of the C
- 21:13DRAM and maybe C DRAM a tiny bit earlier could have gotten him 5
- 21:19more minutes maybe. I don't know.
- 21:20I I don't. Know maybe maybe I think C tram
- 21:24is a good idea, but I I think I would have utilized it
- 21:27differently I would have tried because Yo's army as as strong
- 21:32as it was, it was very stationary right?
- 21:36You have your arbs and you have your torsion engine bomat
- 21:38cannons and they need to be close by.
- 21:40They need to to, you know, help each other.
- 21:44So yo couldn't be in different places at once.
- 21:47He had to always be with his death balls.
- 21:49So if you have a siege workshop on the other side of the map and
- 21:53you just have a couple of siege ramps taking down buildings from
- 21:57Mr. Yo, that's not going to win you the game, but it's at least
- 22:00it's score wise. It's going to help you maybe a
- 22:02little. But then again, you say they
- 22:05invested or they looked at the score win condition too late.
- 22:10But isn't it also very dangerous to consider the score win too
- 22:14early because then you your priorities are wrong you need.
- 22:19I feel like Yo was always forcing Hart's reactions in a
- 22:24way that Hart didn't really have that many options to do.
- 22:28I will, I will also say something what you said about
- 22:31the the siege workshop. I 100% agree.
- 22:33Looking back to the that game for the second time that day and
- 22:37listening to the main cast, T-90 actually brought a fantastic
- 22:41point that I agree with. And when he said that, I was
- 22:45like, yeah, true. Like you're 100% right.
- 22:49He was saying, and he was describing how a bit tunnel
- 22:53visioned players are when it comes to the wall.
- 22:56So on glaciers, you start with, well, your stone walls already
- 23:03built, but they're on top of a rocky terrain that you usually
- 23:08would not be able to build on, and your base is not fully
- 23:12closed. So because there's like a wider
- 23:14gap, it's not like you can just unite the stone walls in between
- 23:19and and close your base and just treat it like a close map and
- 23:23boom and whatnot. So that's exactly where players
- 23:27would likely want to defend from the enemy.
- 23:30That's almost always where you want a castle.
- 23:34I don't even know why I said almost.
- 23:36It's always where you would want a castle to pick up on the raids
- 23:39to to stop pushes. Because it's on the hill it can
- 23:44be pushed harder of course, since you the traps or the siege
- 23:48does less bonus damage etcetera. So there's like 10 minutes left.
- 23:55Hart has 200, Bob has sidrum and there it is, yo, with a castle
- 24:03on that exact opening on the hill, camping there with a mass
- 24:08of arbalesters and two torsion engines, bomber cannons, and
- 24:14Heart is trying to push through there.
- 24:17Why? Why not breakthrough the sides?
- 24:22Because why are you trying to push from downhill under the
- 24:27castle fire and under the bomber cannons when if you try to push
- 24:31on the sides, players cannot rewall behind because it's
- 24:33rocketeering. You can't put buildings on that.
- 24:36They literally can stop if you're going through that wall,
- 24:41but it's some sort of blockage for the players.
- 24:44They they see those walls and I haven't seen anyone try to touch
- 24:48those, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah, Come to think of it,
- 24:54that never happened. I believe there was one game in
- 24:57the qualifiers, actually. It was the game Sebastian versus
- 25:01Viper and and Sebastian won that game because he was putting
- 25:04outposts all around that Little River, right.
- 25:08But that was because he wanted to to spot Viper docking or
- 25:11redocking. That wasn't because he was
- 25:13afraid of somebody going through his walls.
- 25:17But yeah, maybe in in in later stages of the games, maybe you
- 25:20could have even build just a like a like a siege ship to get
- 25:24through the walls. But nobody did.
- 25:29Was the river. Oh my God, could was that
- 25:32terrain? Was was the river that kind of
- 25:36river that units can walk over all the way?
- 25:39Yeah, they can. They can, They can.
- 25:40So I can understand them probably not wanting to.
- 25:44The siege ships are quite expensive.
- 25:46But now that you said about the siege ships, I would like to, I
- 25:49would like to tell you a really funny thing from that game.
- 25:53Oh my God. Like every time when I remember
- 25:58about it, I just laugh alone about it because I was casting
- 26:03the game. I see heart docking forward and
- 26:07Yo's lake and I see him starting to make demos and I'm like
- 26:12jumping on my chairs like, because, you know, I, we talked
- 26:16about this, I'm rooting for heart usually.
- 26:18Maybe that's why I, I'm biased of it when I to think that that
- 26:21was the best game of the day and I rewatched it like I, I, I
- 26:25really like watching him play. And I was like, oh, that's my
- 26:29streamer. Look at him remembering that
- 26:33Romans now get access to demos because they didn't before.
- 26:37But now only the ships with only the ships with a unique ship
- 26:42don't have access to demos anymore.
- 26:44Romans now do have demos. So I was like, Oh my God, look
- 26:46at him remembering that. But then as soon as I finish my
- 26:50sentence, he kills a medium worship instead of demolition
- 26:56ship, which are now two different upgrades.
- 27:00Demos are not affected by medium worship anymore.
- 27:03And I was like, oh. My God.
- 27:05This guy, it felt like it felt like from that point on
- 27:08everything went down from heart. If I like yo was pushing, he
- 27:14wasted the resources into that. He was probably giving himself a
- 27:18hard time seeing he just sank a bunch of resources, pun
- 27:24intended, but. Oh my gosh, I found that I.
- 27:29Found that too funny. I found that way too funny, and
- 27:32it probably isn't, but to me it really was.
- 27:39OK, so great games overall on day three as well.
- 27:45Oh no, that was day 2. I'm sorry.
- 27:47Day three. I think day three was probably
- 27:51the weakest of the whole group stage, but I got one game on my
- 27:56list that was from the set, Hera versus Yo-yo took one game of
- 28:01Hera that was in Game 2, and he did so by walling off the middle
- 28:06in Loch Ness. I think what's remarkable about
- 28:10that game is that Yo won because of the clear strategic win, not
- 28:17because he had a clear sieve advantage playing as the hunts
- 28:21against the Saracens of the Hera, because Saracens should be
- 28:26actually a hard counter against the hunts.
- 28:28So Yo was at a sift disadvantage and I believe that in in in a
- 28:36completely different way compared to other games.
- 28:39This was an amazing, absolutely amazing game just because Yo had
- 28:46a strategy prepared that caught Hera by surprise and he
- 28:50outplayed him with that. Yeah, that was, that was a solid
- 28:56set overall. Like and also I don't know I I
- 29:01don't want to start the the rent Reddit complaining about Loch
- 29:06Ness because it's a water map. Did they complain about Loch?
- 29:11Ness like after the first day? Come on guys.
- 29:14I think after the first day there was a pose that all the
- 29:18living proved that if you win water did like water maps are
- 29:24just win water win game. I would like to point.
- 29:28But that's not true for the tournament.
- 29:30It's not. It's not but.
- 29:32We've seen that multiple times actually on Loch Ness that it's
- 29:35not true. Yep.
- 29:37I. Agree.
- 29:38Yeah. So I think for a water map, Loch
- 29:40Ness was actually pretty good. It was also refreshing because
- 29:42we had quite a lot of land maps that played out kind of like
- 29:46Arabia. So if anything, we had just many
- 29:50Arabia versions. But well, I think we shouldn't
- 29:55go too deep on that. I think the map pool was pretty
- 29:57good overall. Yeah, so in that set, game 3 was
- 30:01also absolutely great. That was Tatars by Hera against
- 30:05Megaras and Dorothea Quarry again of course, because Cavajas
- 30:08were Opie on that map. And that was yet again another
- 30:12game that was won with the timer, this time by Hera, even
- 30:16though Yo had played better in my opinion and he would have won
- 30:20if there was no timer. There were epic Cav Archer
- 30:24versus Hassab battles all over the map and Yo was often the one
- 30:29with the initiative despite Hera being the much faster player.
- 30:34Overall I think great display of both players skill, but once
- 30:38again a timer win. So what do you think?
- 30:41Did you? Yeah, like.
- 30:44Because of the timer. No, because he had water and
- 30:46he's not using Canon galleons to destroy resources from the water
- 30:51to gain more score. You have water, how do you not
- 30:55have more score? Water gives you so much and I
- 31:00was just sitting there. I I agree that if you invest too
- 31:04much then you're absolutely just dying on land to Hera's push
- 31:07because Hera had a lot of military but you can spare to
- 31:10pop for two Canon galleons to just shoot buildings.
- 31:13Like all of Hera's building houses were on the shore and
- 31:18like you're forcing him to to react to get house to replace
- 31:21his houses in the bag where he doesn't have space because he
- 31:24has full of farms. I think he also forgot to cancel
- 31:29his queue and he had quite a lot of units in his queue, yeah.
- 31:32Yeah, you have to cancel it. Can I just sneak in a
- 31:35commentable Day 2 before we Yeah, I would like to point out
- 31:39that Liri Seibat was also a banger.
- 31:41Especially the game on Volpine that I rewatched again at the
- 31:45end of the day. Because by the end of you start
- 31:49on Empire Wars with what, 28 villagers?
- 31:53Or seven. I'm not 28, probably, I don't
- 31:56know, something like that. The sum after 30 minutes between
- 32:01their villagers was less than 40.
- 32:05That game ended at minute 30 something.
- 32:08There were less than 40 villagers on the map.
- 32:12There's just so many games to highlight, it's crazy because of
- 32:16so many different reasons. I wanted to say that before we
- 32:19move on because I do think that that is worth is worth
- 32:22mentioning. Yeah, that was actually one of
- 32:25the even best games of the whole tournament, just because it was
- 32:29so damn aggressive and also because it wasn't one sided,
- 32:32right? Because both players played
- 32:34aggressive and they both had maximum value from their army
- 32:38but also heavy losses in their economy.
- 32:43OK, so move on to day #4 so this is when the group stages ended
- 32:49and when the quarterfinals and with that the players had
- 32:52started. Day 4 was all about the
- 32:54quarterfinals. Semi finals were on day five and
- 32:58the first quarterfinal was Sebastian versus Hart.
- 33:02That set, like all of the playoff sets were best of sevens
- 33:07now and that set went until Game 7.
- 33:11And at times it felt like it wasn't Sebastian against Hart.
- 33:16It felt like Leary was playing against himself.
- 33:19Especially in Game 2 when they played Hunsworth, Saracens and
- 33:23both played full crossbows, not kavachas and microed multiple
- 33:29groups at the same time to a an extent that I can't micro one
- 33:36single army. It was mind blowing to see them
- 33:40play like that. I firmly believe they resembled
- 33:44Leery in that set. Both of them played much better
- 33:48than people would expect from them and showed that they are on
- 33:53a. They are just on such a high
- 33:55level when it comes to Empire wars.
- 33:59Absolutely. It was I, I, I, I don't know,
- 34:05heartbreaking to some extent to see.
- 34:09Pun intended. Heartbroken quarterfinals.
- 34:15Yeah, yeah. Wait, didn't you say Lyri Seba?
- 34:20I thought you were already. No, no, no, no.
- 34:22Semis. Yeah, I get why you're confused,
- 34:25but no, I was talking about the quarterfinal between Sebastian
- 34:28and and Hart, but I said that it felt like it was leery playing
- 34:33on both sides because they were both.
- 34:35And I was about to say that we skip the quarterfinals.
- 34:38No, no, no, no, no. I I'm talking about the
- 34:40quarterfinals. I'm just saying that they played
- 34:42so well that it they resembled leery in many ways.
- 34:46Yeah, well, I I do think that overall throughout the main
- 34:49event, it's important to see the similarity between Hearts
- 34:56playstyle, Leeris and Harrahs. I think the boot camp was a big
- 35:03factor. We talked about how they were in
- 35:05Paris for a week before this, just practicing in Vitality
- 35:12Hive. Hive boot camp, Yeah.
- 35:15And I, I, I think it showed throughout the entire event.
- 35:21Their play style was very similar.
- 35:24Though I would say that Leary played different than Hera did.
- 35:29I mostly talk from drafting sieves, some strategies on
- 35:35certain maps, like if you would look back at the drafts for
- 35:40instance, it was always things like Dorothea, Corey, Blue
- 35:44Whales, and maybe Handhold. It was always these three that
- 35:53either one of them would pick if available.
- 35:56That's true but that's just because again they tried to play
- 36:00the more Arabia meta like maps. Also I believe that Harrow very
- 36:05early on said that he was not a big fan of what was it, was it
- 36:09Loch Ness? I'm not sure.
- 36:11So he usually Harry usually tries to not play the water maps
- 36:16in in Empire Wars. But I would argue that Leary's
- 36:20draft was very different from everyone else in the tournament.
- 36:23Well. That is because he was in the
- 36:26band. Yeah, he was just always ban.
- 36:30He was banning the same sieves no matter whom he played
- 36:34against, except for the final. Yeah.
- 36:38OK. So back to the quarterfinals,
- 36:43the I don't know, do you want to add something to Sebastian
- 36:46versus heart or should we move on to it was pretty?
- 36:47Straightforward it was, it was very close.
- 36:51And again, it's one of those games, just like both Siba and
- 36:57Hart said, could have gone either way.
- 37:01I think if you are fighting in the playoffs in the main event,
- 37:05I think that's how you want to go down with a decider game, you
- 37:10know, fighting for your life. No, no sweeps.
- 37:13And I, I, I think probably Hart is beating himself up a bit that
- 37:20he didn't go further than that. But I also think that he's not
- 37:24too upset with the performance he's had.
- 37:27I I agree 100% and also Hart was actually leading 3 to what was
- 37:35it 3 to 2, right? No 4:00 to 3:00.
- 37:38And then Sebastian won the last two games so he was almost
- 37:43winning the set. Then Sebastian took the lead
- 37:46again. It's hard to feel bad for Hart
- 37:51because you're just, well, at least I am very excited for
- 37:54Sebastian. But at the same time, Hart did
- 37:57play amazing and he would have also deserved to be in the
- 38:00semifinals. It's no question about that.
- 38:02That's just not enough spots in a semifinal for all players who
- 38:06would deserve a spot to be there.
- 38:08And that's what the quarterfinals are for.
- 38:10And lucky for us, the quarterfinals were actually very
- 38:14entertaining to watch, much like the other quarterfinal, Viper
- 38:18versus Yo. So that set was won by Viper
- 38:224:00 to 2:00. But there were some interesting
- 38:26things happening in that set. For example, in game 3YO managed
- 38:30to come back from a game where Viper started off killing six
- 38:34villages of Yo. And then in game four, Viper
- 38:39showed an incredible reaction by going super aggressive with
- 38:42Cumans against Berbers and Feudal age with Archers and
- 38:45Rams, very much popularizing the feudal rush, ram rush of the the
- 38:52Cumans. And then he beat Yo in 10
- 38:55minutes after, you know, yo had actually beaten Viper in the
- 38:59game before. I think that was that was such a
- 39:02cool moment to see that none of the players, even if they would
- 39:06lose a game or two, they would never give up.
- 39:09They would always find a new strategy and find a way to come
- 39:13back. I think overall the entire set
- 39:17was was solid. I liked it.
- 39:20It was very entertaining for the viewers as well.
- 39:23My only take from that set, thinking that the winner is
- 39:29going to be facing Hera. I wanted you to win because I
- 39:33think that you, Hera, can be more intense, more chaotic, more
- 39:40unexpected than Hera Viper at this point.
- 39:44I think Hera figured Viper to his core by now.
- 39:49Maybe it was because of years of trying to break, you know, in
- 39:53that top players position where in Viper was so dominating, you
- 39:59know, analyzing his play style. Because let's let's admit it,
- 40:03Viper was super dominant back in the days as well.
- 40:07When Hera was getting into the game and was trying to improve
- 40:10more and more and be a better player.
- 40:12Hera was looking up to Viper. He was learning from him, right?
- 40:17Just like very much nowadays. I don't know the up and comers
- 40:22are learning from her and they're they're figuring him out
- 40:28right now. So I expect if there's going to
- 40:30be a player to overthrown her to, you know, get to such a
- 40:37domination that's going to be such a higher level or than
- 40:40Hera. I think Hera is going to be his
- 40:44not necessarily easiest opponent, but like easiest to
- 40:47figure out because it's years of watching that person closely and
- 40:53there's few things that they can surprise you with.
- 40:57I don't know, maybe I'm just tripping to to think this way
- 41:00but but I I feel like even if in a direct match up Viper has,
- 41:07Viper is probably still better than you.
- 41:10I think versus Hera your match is better.
- 41:14It's the same scenario if we are thinking a tiny bit.
- 41:17Couple of days back to the group stages where Yo beat MBL
- 41:24heartbeat, yo no her, sorry Hera beat yo, but MBL almost beat
- 41:30Hera. He pushed him to.
- 41:33All of those were 3031 but then MBL pushes to a 3/2.
- 41:40He was the only one that actually managed to get to games
- 41:46off of him. It it's so nice to look at this
- 41:49game and how many approaches to this and how many strategies you
- 41:54can form and how many different play styles and mind games and
- 41:59all this. It's something beautiful.
- 42:02Yeah, I think you make a good point, yo.
- 42:07Maybe Hera just has Viper figured out, but I believe that
- 42:14Tara is also just playing like Viper, but in regards to
- 42:18everything a bit better than Viper.
- 42:20Whereas Yo, he might come up with different strategies.
- 42:26You know, one thing I observed while I was watching the set
- 42:29between the quarterfinals between Viper and Yo was that
- 42:32Viper was actually not very good when it came to military
- 42:39engagements. More often than not I felt like
- 42:42Viper was losing micro battles even against Yo.
- 42:46But in this whole set I believe that Yo was pretty much always
- 42:50having the military lead more military units on the field and
- 42:53winning the fights. Whereas Viper was ahead an
- 42:56economy but he he had he had less greedy strategies than he
- 43:03usually has. For example, in the group stage
- 43:07against Leary, I believe that Vibe was playing way too greedy
- 43:10for Empire War settings and that is something he corrected.
- 43:13Against Yo, he was playing less greedy and more with confidence
- 43:18and more trying to learn from his mistakes from the previous
- 43:23set against Leary. That's that's just a theory of
- 43:26mine, but that's something I observed while watching that
- 43:29set. So I was kind of confident when
- 43:31he was going up against Hera. Also can we just talk that Viper
- 43:38never walls? Yeah, yeah, I love that.
- 43:42But it's also bad, yeah. That that's the thing.
- 43:45Like. He was way too late.
- 43:46He lost so much momentum, so many, so many times because
- 43:53holes in holes, his base was just wide open.
- 43:57Yeah, Yeah. I think that's a very good
- 44:00observation. And I think there's no disputing
- 44:04that Viper hardly walled in all of his games and not for a good
- 44:09reason. I believe he because there was
- 44:11time to wall. There were multiple instances
- 44:13where it where he should have walled.
- 44:16And I'm not sure. Again, this is just theory.
- 44:18Maybe this is a fragment from, you know, earlier times when he
- 44:23didn't need to wall because he could quick wall like no other
- 44:27and he would use that time and those resources for other
- 44:30things. But now everyone knows how to
- 44:32quick wall and now it would just be a much better investment.
- 44:36And come to think of it, I said he was less greedy.
- 44:40But you know, you could argue that not placing your walls,
- 44:44even pre emptive walls is also a kind of greed, right?
- 44:47So maybe he was greedy in the end.
- 44:50Yeah, different type of greed I would I guess.
- 44:52Yeah, yeah, different type. So for me, the beauty of these
- 44:56two quarterfinals was actually that none of the four players
- 44:59showed the level of of perfection that Hera or Leary
- 45:04have, but they all played exceptional nonetheless.
- 45:07And because they weren't perfect, there was always that
- 45:12element of surprise, moments of unpredictability, and even the
- 45:16realistic chance to turn a game around despite having a rough
- 45:19start. And that was just very beautiful
- 45:22to see. But in contrast, in contrast to
- 45:26the next day. Well that's that's exactly what
- 45:29I was going to say. That's what made quarterfinals
- 45:33very entertaining and that's what made semi finals so 1
- 45:40sided. Day 43 The HMS Slandinium sails
- 45:47on. We've passed strange lands where
- 45:50the aftermath of battle show stones vastly outnumbered by
- 45:54their bodies. Around them, islands occupied
- 45:57only by archery Rangers and shores with villagers standing
- 46:02idly doing nothing. Regardless, the fleet grows
- 46:07thinner. 6 empires remain. 2 have already earned safe
- 46:13passage, but 4 fates remain unwritten. 4 empires who must
- 46:20still fight for their place at the captain's table.
- 46:23All right now then, Captain. Captain, Captain, The Spanish
- 46:30are bringing total brutal domination.
- 46:40The next trial awaits. May Wallalow have mercy on us
- 46:45all. You saw the clear gap between
- 46:54like, you know, I'm playing fantastic, but I have slip UPS.
- 46:58I know what I need to improve, but I'm a human being like any
- 47:05other of you. And then here's something very,
- 47:09very much close to perfection facing me and it showed it.
- 47:15So like first semi finals finished in an hour?
- 47:21That was so OK, so let me just say one thing about that.
- 47:27As you said, like both sets end at 440.
- 47:32Viper had no chance against Hera.
- 47:33Sebastian had no chance whatsoever against Leery.
- 47:36It was clear as day that Hera and Leery are just way better
- 47:42than anyone else in Empire was, but at least in the set between
- 47:48Leery and Sebastian there was some beauty in it.
- 47:52Just because seeing Leary playing aggressive and that
- 48:00aggressive and destroying his enemy that much, that was a rare
- 48:06sight. That was something I would argue
- 48:09not even Hera can do. So I enjoyed that set just the
- 48:16way you, I don't know, enjoy seeing a building collapse.
- 48:24It's just not something you see all the time, especially if it's
- 48:28done by professionals who know what they're doing.
- 48:31And that's exactly how I felt in that set.
- 48:35I I agree, I agree it was something beautiful and just to
- 48:40because you you say that something that I don't even
- 48:43think Hera can pull off. It felt like the next set I was
- 48:49almost trying to compete with that time and I go let me see if
- 48:53I can beat Viper in less than an hour, like in less than what
- 48:59Leary did with his semi final. Yeah, yeah, but in the end he
- 49:03couldn't. I think the second semi final
- 49:06between Viper and Hera was a little bit less 1 sided, but it
- 49:11was still very one sided. Viper had some interesting ideas
- 49:15like he was playing with the Mapuche for example, but it just
- 49:19felt like it's not a good way to go about trying to surprise
- 49:23Hera, not with a sieve like that.
- 49:24Even though I'm mentioning this because this might be important
- 49:29for the final again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 49:31Like again, you see Hera Hera saw that recognize like this is
- 49:37this is actually not a bad idea from Viper, but I feel like
- 49:43there's work to it and I'm going to take it and use it in the
- 49:46final. And it's it's funny because he
- 49:49even said in his discord, I was reading his thoughts.
- 49:53Something that I loved is that after the semi final, he went
- 49:56into the tournament spoilers on his discord and he kind of gave
- 49:59like a brief descriptions of what he thinks could have done
- 50:07better. Like where he thought he was
- 50:09shaky or he was just basically going through his thought
- 50:12process throughout the games. And then he said something like
- 50:18that, that, oh, I might need to look into this if myself for
- 50:22tomorrow, for the finals. Really.
- 50:24Yeah. Oh, that's great.
- 50:26Because someone said like what about what?
- 50:29What if Viper would have used Bolas riders against Franks and
- 50:35he was like, they're very solid. I might look into them myself
- 50:39for the finals. Like he literally said that on
- 50:41his Discord. And then I saw Omar Puche and I
- 50:46was like, oh, he's going to go ball us.
- 50:48Yeah. Yeah.
- 50:50So OK, I think we should start talking about the final.
- 50:53Yeah, let's do it. My friends, please welcome to
- 50:58the stage, the reigning Red Bull Wallalow Champion it is.
- 51:26And his opponents? A2 time Red Bull while alone
- 51:33champion. Welcome to the stage.
- 52:06But I want to go through game after game because I think that
- 52:09final was just amazing and very special to see.
- 52:13Game one was on my favorite map, Dorothea Quarry.
- 52:16Harry was playing this as the Tatar's, Leary as the Kitan.
- 52:19Tatar's was expected on Harry's side, but Kitan not so much on
- 52:23Leary's side. And I think what made this map
- 52:28even more special was that they spawned extremely close to one
- 52:31another. Leary had exerted super Omega
- 52:35aggression with skirmishes and scouts, Hera played into arches
- 52:39and Spears and then into cavalry arches and Knights in the castle
- 52:42age. But Leary never let go of the
- 52:45pressure and forced Hera to always stay in his own base,
- 52:49trying desperately to defend but ultimately not being able to.
- 52:54And Leary took the win pretty fast.
- 52:57Too fast. Too fast.
- 53:01I, I OK, so I'm glad you pointed it out or like you brought it up
- 53:06that way because I was waiting to get to the final and put this
- 53:13question. Do we think that Leary played so
- 53:18aggressive, so military focused throughout the entire tournament
- 53:25because he felt like he had a better chance of, of winning,
- 53:30that he was just going straight for, for the he.
- 53:33Because let's admit it, Livi is someone that doesn't have Hera's
- 53:38stamina. Like Hera is literally streaming
- 53:40every day for 13 hours. And maybe he doesn't feel like
- 53:47playing too long and he he feels like he's playing worse or he's
- 53:52getting frustrated or this and that.
- 53:56I honestly, watching the final, I felt like, you see, this is
- 54:00Lyra. This is how he played the entire
- 54:02tournament. Look at him going for the kill
- 54:04and just overwhelming the opponent with a lot of military
- 54:07perfect micro. The fights that he was taking
- 54:10against Hera, every single time I was like, Oh my God, he he's
- 54:14making Hera look not like Hera and then slowly starts to fade a
- 54:19bit. Well.
- 54:21He still played fantastic throughout the entire series,
- 54:23but just. She did it.
- 54:25A channel overview. I, I, I don't know, Daniela,
- 54:29it's really hard for an outsider like me to comment on that, to
- 54:34be honest. I, I don't think that Leary had
- 54:39a thought like that. I don't think he was thinking,
- 54:42oh, if these games go too late, Hera's going to win by having a
- 54:45better stamina because they are they are clearly on another
- 54:52level than anyone else. And I don't think that Leary was
- 54:57thinking it's going to go down to game length.
- 55:00I think it's going going to go down to pure execution.
- 55:05And I would argue that Lira Leary that Hera had won by
- 55:11draft. I think Hera had just a better
- 55:14draft than Leary. Yeah, maybe.
- 55:17I always say that in in all of these tournaments, drafting
- 55:20itself is a huge factor. Yeah, it's it's so huge that I'm
- 55:27actually failing to comprehend all the little details and how
- 55:33players are drafting. It's, you know, back in the days
- 55:38when all these tournaments started out, drafting was much
- 55:43easier to understand because we had way less civilizations and
- 55:47we were also having snipes and all these kind of things.
- 55:51Now today, it's so hard to memorize the ramifications of
- 55:57each and every civilization with all the very unique maps that we
- 56:01play that I feel like I just lost my ability to comprehend
- 56:07why a player is picking a certain civilization at a
- 56:11certain point in his draft. So this is only something that I
- 56:16usually understand by casters who are explaining that
- 56:20throughout the tournament and throughout the the process of
- 56:22the set or with less and less games that are left to be
- 56:27played, I kind of understand how the draft was was was happening.
- 56:34So for example, in this final draft with Herron Leary, I was
- 56:37watching the draft and there was only one thing I clearly
- 56:41understood and that was that Leary was not prioritizing water
- 56:45maps, whereas Hera, he had basically the best water
- 56:50civilizations. And at one point I felt like he
- 56:53was only picking another water civilization so that Leary could
- 56:56not have that civilization. He was kind of picking them away
- 57:00from him. If that's true or not, I have no
- 57:02idea, but that's how I felt. Which is why I believe that Hera
- 57:05won by draft. To quote Mr. Yo Water maps the
- 57:11kryptonite of Arabia players. It makes sense.
- 57:18But back to your point, I don't I don't believe that Leary was
- 57:23playing aggressive and tried to finish games that quickly
- 57:26because he because he was afraid of the stamina issue.
- 57:30I think he was doing that because that is his strength and
- 57:33his style. And that's not just Empire was
- 57:37he does that in pretty much every tournament he plays.
- 57:39He his games are usually the quickest out of all the players.
- 57:45Yeah, and in those first games that he won, he also just
- 57:51exploited weaknesses of Hera, I believe.
- 57:54So maybe we move on to game #2 on Thames that was Hera playing
- 57:59as the Turks and Leary playing as the Way.
- 58:02And that was a kind of a replay of game #1 I believe because
- 58:05Leary just out microed Hera with his Archers, had a super fast
- 58:10castle age time. And Leary was this time pushing
- 58:14not only with his military units but also with his siege units,
- 58:18taking Hera off gold in the front and soon after even in the
- 58:21back of his base as Leary came in with a second group of
- 58:24crossbows into Hera's base. And from there, it was only a
- 58:28matter of time until Hera resigned.
- 58:30And that time came once Leary hit the early Imperial age.
- 58:34And once again, a very quick match.
- 58:37Felt like Harold was denying the reality.
- 58:42It was just like, I, I can't, I can't see this happening.
- 58:48Like how, how am I losing this? I did everything by the book,
- 58:52you know, and what's happening. What's happening exactly?
- 58:56My feelings. I was sitting on my couch.
- 58:58I couldn't believe what was happening.
- 59:00Because those two wins that we saw on display, those were clear
- 59:06wins. That wasn't a hard fought.
- 59:08Well, it was, of course, hard fought, but it wasn't a back and
- 59:11forth between the two players. It was utter dominance by Leary.
- 59:15And there was like, I think I believe it was game.
- 59:19What was it? I think it was this game.
- 59:21Game #2 yeah. Where Header played on for much
- 59:24longer. That was actually reasonable for
- 59:27his situation, the game, because it was clear that Hera needed a
- 59:31kind of mental reset and he needed to, I don't know, get
- 59:35more into the groove of playing games because Leary was just
- 59:39completely overwhelming him. But all of that didn't help him
- 59:42because game #3 was happening. And Stonefront Hera with The
- 59:46Ethiopians and Leary with the humans, which is an exciting
- 59:51match up for itself. And once again very aggressive
- 59:55play by both. Hera this time won the initial
- 59:59engagement with Archers and scouts, but after that Leary
- 1:00:03just messed up more and more army.
- 1:00:05And he got better upgrades in the feudal age because he has
- 1:00:09bloodlines. And Leary also added a siege
- 1:00:12workshop with a single ram. Just a reminder that is feudal
- 1:00:16age. But humans can do that just like
- 1:00:18Viper had shown in previous sets.
- 1:00:20And that feudal RAM. Took out not one, not 2, not 3,
- 1:00:26but 5 ranges of Hera in the feudal age and for the longest
- 1:00:30time the players had an eco KD of 0 to 00 to 0 because they
- 1:00:36solely focused on military engagements.
- 1:00:39Full well knowing that once one of the two armies would die, the
- 1:00:43whole game was over anyway and there was no need of killing
- 1:00:46villagers anymore. And that is exactly what
- 1:00:49happened. Leary pushed Hera back deep into
- 1:00:53his base, actually so far deep into his base that he had to
- 1:00:56take a fight that he was not going to win.
- 1:00:59And Leary instantly killed almost 20 words right after
- 1:01:02that, ultimately winning the game that was just a
- 1:01:05masterpiece. Yeah, I mean he was he was
- 1:01:10looking like Hera was doing well and holding into fighting back.
- 1:01:15It's so freaking easy for for humans to just snowball.
- 1:01:18And that is the purpose of them pulling this type of of all in
- 1:01:23because the the longer the game goes, the weaker they are
- 1:01:26compared to other sieves. Humans are in random map a
- 1:01:32timing sieve, where because of your bonus of getting the second
- 1:01:35TCS you get such a good eco and you have such an early M timing,
- 1:01:40you have a much larger eco earlier on.
- 1:01:44So those resources of course only start growing exponentially
- 1:01:50compared to your to your opponent.
- 1:01:52So of course you will have a better M timing, but now because
- 1:01:57you both start in the middle of future late where you usually
- 1:02:02would already have a big advantage, there's no point to
- 1:02:06just waste time trying to put a second TC.
- 1:02:09You have to use their other bonuses and their other bonuses
- 1:02:12is them being super aggressive because they have very cheap
- 1:02:16production buildings. So every single game everyone
- 1:02:19that played humans it was 2 ranges and a stable.
- 1:02:25Immediately you win fight the fight, you add the siege
- 1:02:29workshop, you see that the opponent is also adding so much
- 1:02:34military and you can't quite start pushing with the with the
- 1:02:39ram, it doesn't matter, you just go up, then you will be up
- 1:02:42faster because it's more expensive for the opponent to
- 1:02:46invest, he's going to be way slower.
- 1:02:47You kill them early Castle. It was just this every single
- 1:02:53game. I I I didn't see in the main
- 1:02:55event a single game where humans went to imp and of course that
- 1:03:00that was their main purpose. I expected a crazy aggressive
- 1:03:04game. I thought Hera was doing well
- 1:03:07until he didn't. Well, Hera is known for the
- 1:03:11ultimate defence, right? And he defended so bravely.
- 1:03:15But you, you just couldn't defend against what Leary was
- 1:03:19doing, especially in the Sith matchup in the Feudal Age.
- 1:03:24I was so excited at that point. I don't know.
- 1:03:27I don't know about you, it was the third game was over and
- 1:03:31Leary was up three O against Hera in the final.
- 1:03:35What was your thoughts? How did you feel about that?
- 1:03:38I was like, look at just just give it time.
- 1:03:41Give it time because I, I wanted to say that one day prior to
- 1:03:45that I had opened Reddit and someone was like, oh, thoughts
- 1:03:51or oh, another Hera Leary. Everyone was bored that oh this
- 1:03:55is just going to be another Hera Leary final where Hera stomps
- 1:04:01and. What?
- 1:04:03Hera never stomps Leary? That's just not true.
- 1:04:06Those finals are always amazing. But was like another Hera Leary
- 1:04:12resident sleeper. Some people were saying that
- 1:04:14Hera's gonna stomp, he's unbeatable.
- 1:04:17Some people were saying that if Leary will ever beat Hera, now
- 1:04:20is a chance. Like some people were rooting
- 1:04:22for Leary. And I did reply to one of those
- 1:04:25posts that guys, having watched and casted this tournament
- 1:04:30closely, I think tomorrow is going to be one of the best
- 1:04:36finals AOE has seen in a long time.
- 1:04:40And then Fast forward one day, lyrics of three O and I'm like,
- 1:04:45oh shit. Well, I didn't mean it like it's
- 1:04:48going to be the best. As in lyrics.
- 1:04:50Tom's hero, you know? Did you actually think that was
- 1:04:54going to happen at that point? At some point I was like, Oh my
- 1:04:56God, like what's happening with her?
- 1:04:59Like, I can't imagine that you being in Harrah's shoes.
- 1:05:06He's down 3 O in the final. You know, a lot of people are
- 1:05:12rooting for Levi. A lot of people are rooting for
- 1:05:15Harrah's St. to stop, which I'm not going to rent a whole lot
- 1:05:21more about it, but it doesn't quite make too much sense to me.
- 1:05:24Like I understand rooting for Leary because you want to see
- 1:05:29him being as competitive and playing as the same level with
- 1:05:32Hera. I 100% support that and I would
- 1:05:35like to see that happen. And I wouldn't want to have
- 1:05:37just, you know, just one person stomping everyone else.
- 1:05:40But Hera works the hardest. So for me as a person, I can
- 1:05:45recognize hard work. I think everyone that worked
- 1:05:48hard for something in their life can recognize that Harry is a
- 1:05:52hard working person and he puts passion and dedication into
- 1:05:55this. I don't want him to just lose a
- 1:05:58final like that because something's up with him or he's
- 1:06:01not feeling well or he's not playing his best.
- 1:06:03I if he loses, I want to see him playing his best versus someone
- 1:06:07that just plays better. And it was feeling like that for
- 1:06:11the for the entire series, not just for the three games.
- 1:06:15Like Liri played impeccable yesterday and when Hera started,
- 1:06:19you know, to to come back and to win the game.
- 1:06:21So I was like, yeah, yeah, this is what I'm talking about.
- 1:06:23Like, I, I want to see them fight.
- 1:06:25I want to see this going to game 9.
- 1:06:27I, you know, and you know what, I'll, I'll bring this even
- 1:06:33further and, and say that I wanted to watch the final
- 1:06:36because I was watching the interview and the draft before
- 1:06:39and everything and I was tearing up with the orchestra and
- 1:06:43everything. I was like, Oh my God, this is,
- 1:06:44this is amazing. This is the next level of
- 1:06:46production. I want to be able to just watch
- 1:06:49the event to enjoy it. So like I send my my viewers to
- 1:06:52Red Bull and I just open mouth watch that final.
- 1:06:57And he was super good and I, I was happy with that.
- 1:07:02But the downside is that I was actually available to read the
- 1:07:07chat as well, and it was heartbreaking because, man,
- 1:07:11everyone was a Leary fan the first three games.
- 1:07:13Like, yeah, Leary, our champion, our hero, the chosen 1, the
- 1:07:18underdog. And then hero starts to starts
- 1:07:22to win and suddenly Leary's not our hero anymore.
- 1:07:26Leary's this weak person that just throws games left and right
- 1:07:31and is just a quote pathetic and Oh my God, reading those type of
- 1:07:36comments, I'm like, so you're not actually supporting Leary If
- 1:07:40you're like calling him pathetic now you you literally just one
- 1:07:44hair and to lose. It's.
- 1:07:47It was. Heartbreaking.
- 1:07:49You, you got to do it like me. I'm watching in my living room
- 1:07:53on my TV. There's no chat, there's
- 1:07:55nothing. That's just me and the pro
- 1:07:57players. They are playing solely for me.
- 1:07:59Nobody else is watching that and I'm enjoying all of it.
- 1:08:03And there's nobody making it bad for me, especially not a weird
- 1:08:06toxic chat. Yeah, you see, this is where I
- 1:08:09go wrong. Like I'm I'm a chatter, I have
- 1:08:11to have the chat open because like sometimes if there's
- 1:08:15serious things to cast or not to cast to to follow or like to
- 1:08:20discuss about the game, like I like to get into those
- 1:08:22discussions. If there's a meme, I like to see
- 1:08:25the meme. I like.
- 1:08:26I don't know someone that idiot was saying that something like,
- 1:08:30Oh, shut the hell up with the Loch ones and Hey, Guang, no one
- 1:08:34knows what those are like correct me.
- 1:08:36I'm so much. It's like, what do you what do
- 1:08:40you mean? What do you mean?
- 1:08:41No one knows what those are? Anyway, it was yes seeing the
- 1:08:47the negative comments. Well, the the bigger the game
- 1:08:50gets right, the worst chat is going to get.
- 1:08:54That's just in the nature of things.
- 1:08:56Yeah, well, OK, I for one, I firmly believe that Leary's
- 1:09:03going to take it. I was also, I was rooting for
- 1:09:06Leary. I was not rooting for Hera.
- 1:09:08Not because I don't like the guy.
- 1:09:09I was rooting for Hera back when Hera wasn't winning games
- 1:09:13because I felt like he's the up and Comer and I want him to
- 1:09:16dethrone Viper. And you know, after for a couple
- 1:09:20of years I was very happy and I was glad that, you know, the guy
- 1:09:24I was rooting for when he was no one is actually the best player
- 1:09:27of the world. But now I'm I need something
- 1:09:30new, so I'm rooting for Leary. And it's not I can understand.
- 1:09:33Not rooting against terror. I'm rooting for Leary, for my
- 1:09:37personal storyline. That's it.
- 1:09:39Yeah, exactly. And there's absolutely nothing
- 1:09:41wrong to to support to support Leary.
- 1:09:44But I mean, he's playing against harem and don't call him but.
- 1:09:48This play gets fucking. Hera.
- 1:09:52You know, if I was Hera, I would have been devastated those three
- 1:09:56initial three games. I would have been dead on the
- 1:09:59spot because he I wasn't just, you know, beat in a tug of war
- 1:10:03that was going to the full time, almost score, win, whatever.
- 1:10:07He was destroying me in each and every of those three games.
- 1:10:12Exactly that. That's what I that's what I
- 1:10:14started to say at some point. And then I started with my other
- 1:10:17Ram ramble that if you are in Harrah's shoes and you're down
- 1:10:2303 and everyone is like cheering for Larry, come on, kid, you're
- 1:10:26doing it. And like you're there on the
- 1:10:30stage trying to figure out, OK, where do I go from here?
- 1:10:35I would be, I wouldn't find the motivation.
- 1:10:38Like I would be just super down. I was like, OK, it's it's three
- 1:10:42games for me to win now I need to lose.
- 1:10:45I need to win five games. So it's a best of nine.
- 1:10:51There's possible a maximum of six games remaining if well, not
- 1:10:59not really, no, he basically needs no Larry could have won,
- 1:11:04could have won an extra game. So like, it's the it's the
- 1:11:07maximum of six games remaining and you need to win five of
- 1:11:13them. There's almost no room for
- 1:11:15error, yeah. Suddenly after he was being
- 1:11:19cleft. Where do you go from there?
- 1:11:22Well, I would go to the toilet. I would just tap out Gigi.
- 1:11:28Right friend? Good for you.
- 1:11:30Yeah, especially in front of 3 1/2 thousand people in that in
- 1:11:34that arena and hundreds of thousands of people watching
- 1:11:37that event. But Hera is built different.
- 1:11:42He he had a mental reset, he activated his guard mode and he
- 1:11:48came back with mentals made of steel.
- 1:11:52So game #4 was glacis, Hera with the Romans, Leery with the
- 1:11:57Spanish weird pick by leery and also one that had an obvious
- 1:12:02strategy that also the cast has pointed out very quickly.
- 1:12:05And Hera was of course knowing what leery had to do with that
- 1:12:09civilization. So that's where I felt like, OK,
- 1:12:14this is going to be the game where Leary's trying to bait out
- 1:12:17a good civilization out of Hera while he's just wasting his
- 1:12:20Spanish. Even if he loses, it doesn't
- 1:12:22matter much. I you know, my actual thought
- 1:12:26when I saw that match up was Leary's going to lose this and
- 1:12:29Hera's going to take a win. And I was very happy that Hera
- 1:12:32would at least take one win out of the set.
- 1:12:35He would not go down 5 O and Hera would get what he wanted,
- 1:12:41which was to lose, you know, the first time he loses an STA
- 1:12:45tournament that would be on a grand stage in a grand final,
- 1:12:48not in some other part of the play offs.
- 1:12:51So it was the best of all worlds.
- 1:12:53Leary would win. Hera wouldn't go down 5 O, he
- 1:12:56wouldn't be swept and he would get the lose that he wishes for,
- 1:13:00which he very much deserves more than any other person in the in
- 1:13:04the in the whole scene. That was what I was thinking.
- 1:13:07But that was just the beginning of something bigger, much bigger
- 1:13:12than anyone expected. So in this game, Leary chose
- 1:13:16chose to open with heavy water and try to secure the middle
- 1:13:19passage. This is the map that you were
- 1:13:21talking about earlier, right? With the middle passage that
- 1:13:24that is open where people would always build their castles to
- 1:13:27defend that spot. Which is exactly what Leary did,
- 1:13:29because he wanted to get to that castle and get into
- 1:13:32conquistadors together with manganos.
- 1:13:34However, Hera went into crossbows and he had a very
- 1:13:41short window of of of opportunity, and he took that
- 1:13:45window without hesitation. He found a way into Leary space,
- 1:13:50wiggling down his initial numbers of conquistadors, and
- 1:13:53then he masked more crossbows and microed against up to three
- 1:13:59manganiels of Leary at the same time in a way that's only
- 1:14:04possible with 0 ping, while he was booming behind it,
- 1:14:08ultimately getting way ahead of Leary after three losses against
- 1:14:13Leary. To have the mental capacity, the
- 1:14:17nerves, the coolness to go into these intense micro fights and
- 1:14:23actually winning them in an impressive way that wow, I was
- 1:14:28suddenly my thoughts changed. I was like, maybe this isn't
- 1:14:33over. Maybe this isn't just the, you
- 1:14:35know, one win for Hera that he deserves so much.
- 1:14:39Maybe this is the beginning of a big comeback.
- 1:14:42I want to say about the game that as soon as I saw the sieve
- 1:14:45match up, I thought to myself there is no way, if there's
- 1:14:50congs on the field for for Romans to do anything about it.
- 1:14:56Yeah. And I know that, I know that's a
- 1:14:58hard counter, but Romans with their economy, they should
- 1:15:02always win on that. I feel, but I think I think
- 1:15:05where the games where the game went in Harris favor was with
- 1:15:09that crossbow raid when he just like committed, yeah, lost a
- 1:15:12couple of the crossbows committed, killed the galleys
- 1:15:16and didn't just went straight into Libra's base and killed
- 1:15:21like what 7 bills, something like that.
- 1:15:26The way I saw Hera migraine his one group of Archers against 3
- 1:15:34manganiels in the same spot. I was shaking.
- 1:15:38I was like, OK, he's back. It's like Oh my God, what did I
- 1:15:42just watched? Yeah, how do you do that in game
- 1:15:46#4 after being down 03 I don't get.
- 1:15:48And I think it was the same game when he had started to add
- 1:15:52squirms and he was migrating them like the same group of
- 1:15:57skirms. You have a a big group of skirms
- 1:16:00and I guess you put them into two different control groups,
- 1:16:04but you also put them into a different like, I don't even
- 1:16:08know if it's possible to do that because he was moving them all
- 1:16:11at once. But then when they would stop
- 1:16:14and shoot, half of them were shooting, half of them was
- 1:16:16resting. And then when the the half that
- 1:16:19just shot was resting, the other half was shooting.
- 1:16:22So you basically have like scrim shooting at all times.
- 1:16:26And I was just looking at that mesmerized.
- 1:16:28I was like how the hell is he doing this?
- 1:16:31Well, he uses two different control groups and he has just
- 1:16:34the perfect timing for it. I've seen YouTube shorts of him
- 1:16:38doing that countless times actually.
- 1:16:39Not with skirms but crossbows, but it's still the same.
- 1:16:42It is something that only he does because he has the APM and
- 1:16:47the precision to do that. You know, whenever I try to use
- 1:16:53my skirms and signal down a certain unit, what I usually do
- 1:16:57is I shoot once and then I want to when I want to finish that
- 1:17:01and shoot a second time, I I'm just .2 milliseconds too fast
- 1:17:07and it completely resets my scrums.
- 1:17:09And they don't shoot, they just stand there.
- 1:17:11They're like and they didn't throw their Spears.
- 1:17:13And then at that time, usually my enemy kills me.
- 1:17:17I don't know how he has that timing of the shots precisely in
- 1:17:21his muscles, but he does and it's amazing.
- 1:17:25Yeah. OK so come back time game #5
- 1:17:28Hensholt this is the game where Hera plays as the Mapuche.
- 1:17:31He took Viper's idea and he perfected it going for the the
- 1:17:35Kona unit. For Bolas riders, the.
- 1:17:40Sorry, sorry Bolas riders. Yes, the Konas are kind of bad.
- 1:17:43That's why I'm I, I stopped. Yeah, you're right.
- 1:17:48Yeah, thank you. Against Lyrius Franks, and it
- 1:17:51turns out that was a great idea. Mapuche and Franks are being
- 1:17:55played on Hensholt because there's so many berries to take
- 1:17:57and Mapuche also benefit from longer lasting resources, I
- 1:18:00believe, or whatever it is. So that was just that was just,
- 1:18:06I don't know, comeback time, I guess, and it wasn't the end,
- 1:18:10right? Game number six on Volpine.
- 1:18:12Hera playing as the Byzant teams, usually very defensive
- 1:18:16civilization, Leary as the Georgians who should be very
- 1:18:19aggressive. And it's this game.
- 1:18:23Tell me if I'm wrong, but it felt a bit like both players
- 1:18:26actually decided to take their foot off the pedal and slow down
- 1:18:29a little bit because this game went until the Imperial age for
- 1:18:35once in the sit. Well, it went it went in the
- 1:18:42Imperial age for one of them because the other one lost their
- 1:18:44TC to a castle. Oh, oh, yeah.
- 1:18:48So OK, So what happened was actually Leary wasn't in a bad
- 1:18:53spot, right? He was expanding on that map and
- 1:18:58he he was expanding to a place that Hera scouted and he castle
- 1:19:02dropped that spot, which wasn't too big of a problem for Lee
- 1:19:06because he just, you know, took his wills, went somewhere else
- 1:19:09and he expanded into a different direction.
- 1:19:11And he also secured that place with his own castle, so all is
- 1:19:14well. But then he went into the
- 1:19:16Imperial. He researched the Imperial Age,
- 1:19:18but he accidentally researched it in that very TC that was
- 1:19:23previously already cast dropped by Hera and that denied him the
- 1:19:28Imperial age timing. Was that I didn't pay full
- 1:19:32attention, but was that the last TC he had built?
- 1:19:36No, I don't know. No, no it can't be because he
- 1:19:39was on the other side already I believe.
- 1:19:41Because usually when I I always use select all TCS to research
- 1:19:46something and usually the the way it works is that if I have
- 1:19:49like 4 TCS I always just like press space which is by select
- 1:19:53all TCS and and Q vils by all times.
- 1:19:56But sometimes I don't have enough food to to produced from
- 1:20:00all of them. Or like maybe I'm just clicking
- 1:20:03select all TCS and I'm pressing only three times on on the
- 1:20:05queue. So most of the times the last
- 1:20:08seat that I built is the one available to queue up attack or
- 1:20:13something. So if I want to go AMP and I
- 1:20:15click select all TCS, it almost always goes to the last TC
- 1:20:20built. Maybe that's what happened, I
- 1:20:23don't know, but it's it was devastating.
- 1:20:26You could clearly see his reaction when he realized that
- 1:20:31he wasn't going up to him and he re had to cue.
- 1:20:33He had to re cue that and that put him back so much right.
- 1:20:36He couldn't get into elite manaspa in time.
- 1:20:38He couldn't research helps in time and Hera was going for
- 1:20:42heavy camels and skirmishers and there was just no way for Leary
- 1:20:46to win that game. After that, Hera tying up the
- 1:20:48series 3 to 3. So with that, it's basically a
- 1:20:55best of three. Yeah.
- 1:20:57What do you do? You go to Rampart.
- 1:21:02You go to Rampart, Hera and and see Hera was playing as the
- 1:21:07Vikings, which is probably something people did not expect
- 1:21:10on Rampart and Leary was playing as the Burgundians.
- 1:21:14Yeah, started off again super first of all, I I hate
- 1:21:19Burgundians on that map. It has to do with MBL abusing
- 1:21:23them 3000 thousand times. So yeah, when I saw rampart 1
- 1:21:29and I heard a cast a casters like kind of thinking what are
- 1:21:33they going to go into? I was like Oh no, Burgundians is
- 1:21:35in the draft. I gotta say that I felt like
- 1:21:42that game is going to go super late for some reason from the
- 1:21:48first minutes of it, like they were kind of killing some vils
- 1:21:53here, killing some vils there. Hera looked kind of dead at some
- 1:21:58point, but it's so easy to look dead.
- 1:22:02But I'm like, if he's dead, why, why?
- 1:22:04Why can't he Lewis just to finish him all?
- 1:22:06Like why is he not dying if he's dead dead, you know, like
- 1:22:09everyone's saying, like, oh, Harris trying to come back like
- 1:22:14it. It was looking like Leary had a
- 1:22:19very clear advantage in that game, especially maybe early at
- 1:22:24one point at one point, and I was by by this time I just took
- 1:22:31the I I was so tired first of all, from all the the casting
- 1:22:35from previous days. I said I OK, I was watching open
- 1:22:39mouth gaming up to this point. I was like, oh, my back's
- 1:22:43hurting. I went to bed, I took my laptop.
- 1:22:47I was watching the games and my husband was next to me and he
- 1:22:52had his work laptop. So we were like, he was kind of
- 1:22:55with one eye working and one eye watching the finals with me.
- 1:22:59And it was like minute 25 or something.
- 1:23:04And he said something like, oh, I, I think Leo is going to win
- 1:23:07this. Or like casters were also saying
- 1:23:09that the Harrah's kind of dead. And I said something like, oh,
- 1:23:13my wild bet is that this is going to go to the score limit.
- 1:23:18And after saying that, I slowly laid my head on his shoulder.
- 1:23:23I fell asleep. And then from time to time, I
- 1:23:28was woken up by AT-90. And and they've like, I would
- 1:23:32kind of like a distant dream. Hearing them yell at something
- 1:23:35like Oh my God this is insane. I.
- 1:23:39Wake up like 30 minutes later and then my husband says like
- 1:23:43you are right, it went to the score, score, you know, a score
- 1:23:48at the timer. And I'm like, Oh my God, who won
- 1:23:51Hera? I was like, Oh no way.
- 1:23:53So I actually have to rewatch it.
- 1:23:54I don't know what happened. No, If you don't mind, let me
- 1:23:58tell you what. Happened.
- 1:23:59Absolutely. So up until that point that you
- 1:24:02mentioned, when Leary had a clear lead, that was because
- 1:24:05Leary checked into Cavalier, he was going full Cavalier and Hera
- 1:24:09had tacked into crossbows and Leary took some great fights
- 1:24:12against those crossbows. I saw up to that point, yeah.
- 1:24:16And the tension gets higher and higher because Leary was closing
- 1:24:19in on Hera's base, right? So that's probably when you put
- 1:24:23your rest of your head on your husband's shoulder and started
- 1:24:26to fade away because then something happened.
- 1:24:29It was obvious that Leary was going to win.
- 1:24:32So Hera did something that was amazing.
- 1:24:36The castle. The castle he took like he took
- 1:24:40like 15 to 20 villages from his economy and he placed the castle
- 1:24:44in the midst of Leary's space ranging 2 TCS I believe, and
- 1:24:49most of his economy. And that was just a wild, wild
- 1:24:55thing to do there, there that was so risky.
- 1:24:58But it went up because Leary saw it way too late.
- 1:25:02And all his army was trying to kill and finish off Hera on the
- 1:25:06front, right? He had nothing to deny that
- 1:25:08castle because he was just too late and noticing it.
- 1:25:11So that castle actually went up. And that point was a turning
- 1:25:15point because now Hera had a way to come back.
- 1:25:18He split Leary's base up into multiple sides, and he bought
- 1:25:23himself enough time to start disrupting Leary's, Leary's
- 1:25:27equal from time to time. But it's not like he was
- 1:25:29defeating Leary at all, it's just that gave him another
- 1:25:33chance. So the game goes imperial age
- 1:25:37and there's countless race from Leary as well as Hera.
- 1:25:40Both of their bases are basically open field.
- 1:25:43There was not a single wall. There was nothing that was just
- 1:25:46castle after castle after castle.
- 1:25:48And Cavaliers trying to raid. And Hera ticking into halabs as
- 1:25:52well I believe. And Oh my God, it close to the
- 1:25:55end, Daniela, there was an epic fight that was Arbalists and
- 1:26:01that was halves and Leary having skirmishes and and paladins, and
- 1:26:08that fight was clearly won by Leary.
- 1:26:12Leary took that fight. It wasn't I I didn't know who
- 1:26:15would win, but Leary came out the winner.
- 1:26:17He had a great scorer lead, even though he the score was closing
- 1:26:21in before that. But then that gave him a score
- 1:26:24lead that was great. So both of them built up their
- 1:26:27armies one last time and they took another fight and that
- 1:26:32fight went into Hera's favour. And that was a fight I believe
- 1:26:37that Leary just didn't have to take.
- 1:26:39I don't know why he took it, but he took it and the score went
- 1:26:44into the favour of Hera and there was no recovery for for
- 1:26:47Leary. And that's how Hera won the
- 1:26:49game. I was, I was devastated for
- 1:26:54Leary. I couldn't believe it.
- 1:26:56What have we also so, so much better to go to game now.
- 1:26:59I I mean, it's so super impressive that Hera came back
- 1:27:04to with the freaking five, yeah. Well, this wasn't the last game.
- 1:27:10Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This wasn't the last game, yeah.
- 1:27:12I I this week I saw the last game after Yeah which?
- 1:27:16OK, so you did see the last game, you didn't fall asleep
- 1:27:18again. No, no, I was locked in.
- 1:27:22Yeah, so. Locked in in Loch Ness.
- 1:27:25Yep. Game #8 Hera with the Armenians,
- 1:27:29leery with the woo. And I don't know how you felt
- 1:27:32about that, but when I saw the civilizations, I was scared.
- 1:27:36In my opinion, Hera is by far the best Armenian player in the
- 1:27:41world. I believe he's the only player
- 1:27:43who really figured out the civilization, and that's because
- 1:27:47he's infamous for playing champions with them and actually
- 1:27:49taking it to champions early imperial age.
- 1:27:52Yeah, so I had no hopes for Leary to win this game.
- 1:27:57OK. But like again, I would like to
- 1:28:01see the draft of that. And if you give me two seconds,
- 1:28:05I actually have Hera Leary final Tarana, Tarana, give me the
- 1:28:10sieve draft. And I'm looking at this and I'm
- 1:28:13opening Leary's and I see there's no, no, Hera had the
- 1:28:21first picture of videos. OK, then what the hell were the
- 1:28:23people in the the chat talking that Leary would have been
- 1:28:28better with Dravidians? Because I was agreeing with
- 1:28:30that. Like yeah, if he has Dravidians,
- 1:28:32why the hell didn't he play Dravidians?
- 1:28:35Well, chat has has no idea because he didn't have
- 1:28:38Dravidian. That's what I'm saying.
- 1:28:39OK, if I think. Leary lost the draft.
- 1:28:42If I see Armenians versus Wu, I think OK, Armenians clear clap
- 1:28:48there. If I see Armenians versus
- 1:28:51Dravidians, it could go either way earlier to Armenians.
- 1:28:54But if that goes late game, I actually think Dravidians are a
- 1:28:58counter to Armenians both on water and on land as well.
- 1:29:02Well, I'm really bad at judging Dravidians on many maps.
- 1:29:09I usually underestimate them, but that's just because I suck
- 1:29:12at playing them. I'm just so bad at having those,
- 1:29:15you know, utilizing those timing bonuses that the Dravidians
- 1:29:18have. So I usually underestimate them.
- 1:29:21Dravidians were one of the best services in this entire
- 1:29:23tournament. That is for sure stats wise and
- 1:29:26from their win rate. So so you're right.
- 1:29:28But once again, I think Lewis did a great job with the woo
- 1:29:33because his strategy was to win water early, which theory wise
- 1:29:39is usually key on this map. But, and that's apparently what
- 1:29:42the whole of Reddit is saying, but it turns out once again, not
- 1:29:46if Hera is playing as the Armenian.
- 1:29:48Because this is something Hera does often with the Armenians.
- 1:29:51He is usually going for champions.
- 1:29:55Early imperial age overwhelms the enemy and then reclaims
- 1:30:00water. And Armenians are excellent on
- 1:30:03water, right? But this time it was even worse
- 1:30:06because he, I think it was intentional for Hera to let
- 1:30:10Leary have the water because he was busy collecting all of the
- 1:30:13relics. He had all of the relics which
- 1:30:15are 6IN totals plus the one that the Armenians get when they
- 1:30:18built their first monastery. What is it?
- 1:30:21Fortified church? So he had 7 relics and over the
- 1:30:25course of the game, I don't know if you realise, but he had
- 1:30:28collected almost 10,000 gold with those 7 relics.
- 1:30:32Yeah, that's crazy. It's it's really good to go for
- 1:30:36relics Leon like here. I played that map really well
- 1:30:41and I would like to say prop Soliri because he held,
- 1:30:45especially later on, way better than I expected.
- 1:30:49I I think he might have had chances to push that to a score
- 1:30:55limit if he would have fought harder for water, but he seemed
- 1:30:59like to not be bothered with it. And here I came back on water
- 1:31:02and again, like I said, a lot of times water gives you a lot of
- 1:31:05score, so. It does, but he couldn't.
- 1:31:08He couldn't fight back on water because he had massive wood
- 1:31:12issues and also gold was running out for him and he had no rest.
- 1:31:15Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
- 1:31:16But then that's why I'm saying like you, you have to invest
- 1:31:19more earlier on into into into into watrons.
- 1:31:25He had luchuans as well. And well, you can't just make
- 1:31:28like 2 luchuans how he had because like parents gonna even
- 1:31:32convert them or something. You have to fill that pond with
- 1:31:35with the you have to wall the sides and buy yourself time.
- 1:31:40Yeah, he he failed to wall the sides.
- 1:31:42Yeah. Wall the sides, invest a lot
- 1:31:45into water, so you make sure that your opponent can come back
- 1:31:50onto water because that's a way to starve your opponent off of
- 1:31:53resources on that map because all of them are next to the
- 1:31:56water. So you're ranging everything You
- 1:31:59have Lotrons. He didn't utilize the matter.
- 1:32:01Lotrons are first of all my favorite unit in this game, the
- 1:32:07best siege on water as well, just because it's so hard to get
- 1:32:12close to them, even because they can even micro.
- 1:32:15They shoot arrows too on top of that projectile.
- 1:32:19So it it's not so easy to fight against them.
- 1:32:22But I mean, Hera was just converting at some point.
- 1:32:24He's low chance and he was using him in his favor.
- 1:32:28So yeah. Yeah, but you know what?
- 1:32:31You know, it was, it was so cool to see because we at least I
- 1:32:38even in this defeat of Leary, it actually ended in a great and
- 1:32:43epic way. It didn't just end by heroin,
- 1:32:46water and Leary running out of gold.
- 1:32:48It didn't end with the timer. There was an epic fight at the
- 1:32:53end that it and it was so epic that it's actually once again
- 1:32:58something that we didn't see very often because usually we
- 1:33:01have more eco units than we have military units.
- 1:33:04But that at that point, both Leary and Hera had 130 military
- 1:33:10units each and there was 100 HP champions and Leary had his
- 1:33:17trash units. And the last thing that happened
- 1:33:20in this game, and with that in the entire tournament, was 250
- 1:33:25and even more military units collapsing on one another.
- 1:33:30The castle will crumble, the Hussars come over.
- 1:33:33One big fight, potentially for Leary.
- 1:33:38He's known for a while, Dave. He doesn't want to accept it.
- 1:33:40It's understandable. He's so good.
- 1:33:43He is so, so good. But throughout his career, while
- 1:33:47he's been amazing for 10 years, there was always been a champion
- 1:33:51just in front of him, just running through the competition
- 1:33:54and taking the 1st place final fight here.
- 1:33:57Will Hera take the crown again? I think he will down three O 5
- 1:34:02wins in a row potentially for Hera.
- 1:34:05Leary takes this fight, he continues to play and here comes
- 1:34:08the GG. Maybe the reign of Hera
- 1:34:12continues. He is your Red Bull Londonian
- 1:34:15champion, yes, unbelievable, just unbelievable.
- 1:34:20What a turn around to turn it around after you lose those
- 1:34:25three games to claw your way back.
- 1:34:28Doesn't feel possible at times. Amazing for Hera.
- 1:34:32I feel for Leary, as does everyone.
- 1:34:34But this is what competition does.
- 1:34:36This is what competition's about.
- 1:34:39And congratulations to Hera. The most incredible comeback, an
- 1:34:42Age of Empires 2 history. And of course, it's none other
- 1:34:48than Hera. Hera came out as the winner.
- 1:34:58He defended his title with that fight and with that set and it
- 1:35:03was probably the greatest Age of Empires two event of all times.
- 1:35:08It was fantastic. I actually wrote on my Discord
- 1:35:13earlier that we're going to record the podcast today, so I
- 1:35:19actually have a question from the chat if we can take it
- 1:35:22before moving on to the production.
- 1:35:24It's related to the series. Nice.
- 1:35:29One SEC. If this was hidden cup so Larry
- 1:35:33didn't know it was Hera he was facing, would anything have
- 1:35:37changed? That's such an interesting
- 1:35:40question, but I believe it wouldn't have changed anything
- 1:35:44because usually the players know who they play against.
- 1:35:47Especially by the final. I think by the final.
- 1:35:49Especially the. Final, I feel like everyone
- 1:35:51expected OK, this is Leary versus Hera and I think they
- 1:35:54they would have known each other as well, but you.
- 1:35:58Know maybe in earlier stages maybe, maybe one of the two top
- 1:36:03players like Leary and Hera would have actually had been
- 1:36:06kicked out or at least had suffered some defeated.
- 1:36:09Like maybe MBL would have been able to defeat Hera in that
- 1:36:12group stage set if he hadn't known he was playing against
- 1:36:17Hera. So maybe it probably would have
- 1:36:19changed something in the first round.
- 1:36:21But T9, even T-90 usually knows after the first round who is who
- 1:36:27and the players must do so as well.
- 1:36:30It's an interesting thought. OK, so let's wrap this up.
- 1:36:38I already said to me this was an amazing event.
- 1:36:43It was probably the greatest Age of Empires two event of all
- 1:36:45times. And it's not just because the
- 1:36:48games were so great. It's it's also because of the
- 1:36:51production and how everything came together.
- 1:36:54So Riley as the host, in my opinion, he was an absolute
- 1:36:58beast from start to finish. He, he walked us through that
- 1:37:02show that that production in a such a professional way.
- 1:37:07That is just, I'm just so happy to see that for Age of Empires 2
- 1:37:11that we have those professional people working for these kind of
- 1:37:15events. I love the comedy.
- 1:37:17I love the bits that he did and the others did.
- 1:37:20I love the way that the DLCS have been promoted for the
- 1:37:24sponsors for, for World's Edge. I loved how they implemented the
- 1:37:30crowd reactions in between games and during the games that we
- 1:37:34could actually hear the crowd whenever something was happening
- 1:37:36during the game. It was much better than than in
- 1:37:39all the previous events before I was I, I felt like I was almost
- 1:37:43sitting inside the crowd myself just because of that.
- 1:37:47So. It was.
- 1:37:48Amazing. Work.
- 1:37:49It was an absolute impeccable production.
- 1:37:53I fully agree with you. Everything was smooth.
- 1:37:58They were so high, high quality. I I want to give a special shout
- 1:38:03out to first of all to everyone because they they did this
- 1:38:09special event for us the the host, the casters.
- 1:38:12I want to give a special shout out to to Dave.
- 1:38:14I talked about this on stream as well casual casting on his
- 1:38:18channel. Dave is such a different person
- 1:38:21at time from the professional land commentator that they've
- 1:38:28gets into at a land event and for some reason, especially this
- 1:38:32one like he homie was impeccable from start to to finish it.
- 1:38:36It was really nice to see him doing so well and he he was
- 1:38:41funny, energetic. He was his casting was STR Plus
- 1:38:47I don't know hats off to him because they took off their hats
- 1:38:50at the end as well. Honestly, all the casters did a
- 1:38:54very good job, but I don't know, maybe I'm by swords Dave because
- 1:39:00we're we're friends as well. But yeah, Dave's a fantastic
- 1:39:06commentator. He he really stepped up his in
- 1:39:08game this tournament. And overall, my, my general
- 1:39:13feeling is that usually I do love casting land tournaments on
- 1:39:18my channel, but I think it, this was the first land tournament,
- 1:39:23first a we a Siri event that I felt genuinely sad that I wasn't
- 1:39:30there. Like I, I didn't have this with
- 1:39:33any other land before. Like I, I wouldn't care too much
- 1:39:38like, Oh yeah. Well, another land event.
- 1:39:40Commentators, commentators and gassers are going to be there.
- 1:39:42And not like, I don't know, maybe not even as a commentator,
- 1:39:45but just just their part of the crowd.
- 1:39:49I, I don't know. I don't know why, but it was
- 1:39:53just that feeling that I got to. Well, now I know why.
- 1:39:55I know why. I absolutely know why.
- 1:39:58I mean the life orchestra, the, the, the, the amazing venue, the
- 1:40:05level of the games, everything was just perfect, more than you
- 1:40:08could ever wish for. And I am so envious of all the
- 1:40:12people who. Like I love you guys, but also
- 1:40:15like how dare you go there And I don't, I didn't get to.
- 1:40:21It's my own fault. I I should have been there.
- 1:40:23Yeah, definitely. I'm.
- 1:40:25I'm very jealous. I do not agree that I felt like
- 1:40:28all the casters did an amazing job.
- 1:40:30But I do agree that Dave was the very best.
- 1:40:33I think his performance was absolute, absolutely amazing.
- 1:40:37I think so too. I think he was the best of them
- 1:40:39all. By far, yes.
- 1:40:42So 109,000 viewers. I had that number as well until
- 1:40:49I just opened Reddit. Apparently is over 110.
- 1:40:53It was 100 and 116,173 here. What a number?
- 1:41:03I mean, I don't care actually. I just want a great production
- 1:41:08and a great event, but I'm happy that the number is so high
- 1:41:11because this probably means there's going to be another Red
- 1:41:13Bull and God, I really want another Red Bull and I don't
- 1:41:17want to wait two years for it. I want it next.
- 1:41:18Year I want it now as well and I want to go like I I will buy
- 1:41:22this to the next one. I'm not missing another
- 1:41:25opportunity. My question is, and I saw a lot
- 1:41:29of people asking this question as well as throughout the social
- 1:41:32media, throughout discords, through our Reddit.
- 1:41:35How how do you top this like? I don't know, I don't care.
- 1:41:41You don't need to top it. What a friend that was was there
- 1:41:47messaged me this morning kind of highlighting how how his weekend
- 1:41:52went. And he said something like,
- 1:41:56wait, where, where was it? I don't know.
- 1:42:00I, I can't find it right now. He said something along those
- 1:42:02lines, the lines of, oh, I was talking with a friend and I
- 1:42:05think they will have to hold the next one in the Colosseum or
- 1:42:07something to to top this. And yeah, I mean, even the
- 1:42:12viewership numbers. You say that you don't care.
- 1:42:15I think it's Microsoft, unfortunately kind of only
- 1:42:19cares. Feels like they only care about
- 1:42:21this nowadays. But I think it's even double
- 1:42:24than the peak that they had before.
- 1:42:26That might be, but I'm not sure if Microsoft needs it to be
- 1:42:31better than the last time. It's not that you did need to,
- 1:42:34but of course like. Well, they're happy.
- 1:42:37Of course I would be. I'm just saying that I don't
- 1:42:40think they necessarily need to top it.
- 1:42:43I just think they want, they probably strive for an
- 1:42:49experience that is close enough to what they had in London.
- 1:42:55And I mean, how do you measure it, right?
- 1:42:59People are going to be grateful and happy for these kind of
- 1:43:02events and they were grateful and happy in the events before
- 1:43:06and now they got an even better experience.
- 1:43:09And maybe next time it's going to be a like marginally worse or
- 1:43:13marginally better. Who who really cares and nobody
- 1:43:16counts as long as everybody agrees on it was a great event
- 1:43:21and viewership is good and, and, and high, pretty much everyone
- 1:43:26will be happy with it. And you know, for for Red Bull,
- 1:43:30they do not make money off this. They, they will never make money
- 1:43:36of this. But that is part of their
- 1:43:38marketing structure, right? They are not doing these events
- 1:43:40to make money, like to get back what they invested into it.
- 1:43:44This is marketing. They want their brand to be
- 1:43:47associated with the best events, of course.
- 1:43:50And that is why they're doing it.
- 1:43:51And they are succeeding with it. So amazing job.
- 1:43:54Yeah. Fair enough.
- 1:43:58All right, Daniela, we've talked way longer than I expected.
- 1:44:04Between 30 and 60 minutes. Sounds good, Chris.
- 1:44:07Yeah, but you know, you were so excited about the games and I, I
- 1:44:11was really excited by you being excited because you shared my
- 1:44:14excitement. Now we shared it with everyone
- 1:44:15else and I hope people enjoyed our episode.
- 1:44:18Honestly, this episode is was perfect today and for for my
- 1:44:24heart and and peace as well. I've been having some issues
- 1:44:28with the Redwood chat yesterday and there were some things that
- 1:44:32got me quite down. And then afterwards I discussed
- 1:44:36them on my discord with my community as well.
- 1:44:40And it's the same kind of things that bring me down at every
- 1:44:43single line event is to to see some the behaviors of some
- 1:44:47people, which it kind of discussed me, but we've kept
- 1:44:50this super positive and I'm going to leave it at this note.
- 1:44:54I just mentioned this as a, you know, thank you for making my
- 1:45:01day brighter with your excitement and, you know, with
- 1:45:05the good highlights of the of the event.
- 1:45:07And well, the event itself is not responsible for those
- 1:45:12comments or the negativity in chat.
- 1:45:15But yeah, so some things just bring us down sometimes.
- 1:45:19Yeah, but not us. We are living on a good note.
- 1:45:23Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and your
- 1:45:25insights with me. It was a pleasure as always.
- 1:45:27Daniela, you're. The same for me.
- 1:45:30Thanks for the listeners to stick with us for all this time.
- 1:45:33I hope you had a great event as well.
- 1:45:35And now we're leaving you to play some major vampires to
- 1:45:38yourselves. With an amazing Maple, bye bye.
- 1:45:43Bye, bye, bye. Yo ho.
- 1:45:49Here to see directions O rain shine walls of light in the.
- 1:45:56Cribs and rain the snow yo on. And low to the royal.
- 1:46:03Oh, we go. When the rain jumps, straight to
- 1:46:06London town we go. Unto Red Bull.