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It was really good for gold to have that correction.
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I think it's as I spoke this morning before you and I put an
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update to my readers and clients.
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I really think much of that correction is over.
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You might be wondering what does the future hold for gold,
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silver, the precious metal mining stocks?
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None of us knows for sure, but today we have a special guest,
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Peter Grandich. He has decades of experience on
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Wall Street analyzing the precious metals, analyzing the
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precious metal mining stocks. One thing we can count on from
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him is his true honest opinion about where we've been and where
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we're going. Peter, welcome to Ron's
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basement. Ronnie, I say this in all
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sincerity. You're one of the few people
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that I most look forward to speaking with.
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But I'm a little concerned since our last chat.
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Your basement looks a lot more clogged.
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So maybe you had a really good move in that metals move or
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maybe you need to do a little spring cleaning in the fall.
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Yeah, I'll, I'll be sure to clean it up, Peter, before our
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next our next meeting. So, you know, I remember you 678
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weeks ago listening to you during interviews and, and you'd
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predicted that we might have a pull back in the metals prices,
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that it would be healthy. And you said that independent
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of, you know, obviously any knowledge of how the
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presidential election would turn out.
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Obviously, since Donald Trump has been elected president,
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we've had a a bit of a pullback in both the gold and the silver
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price and the precious metal mining stocks.
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What do you make of all this when you look at the big picture
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and and, and where do you see us potentially heading as we go
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into 2025? South, Those of us who
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supposedly make a living look into a crystal ball.
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The only thing we really become experts on is eating a lot of
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broken glass from a broken crystal ball because we end up
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being wrong. But in this case it was
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fortunate. I had been long gold from under
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$1300 and it really got to a point where it's very
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overextended. All the people with predictions
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of five and 10,000 around the corner and all so almost
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literally at the high for myself, I decided it was time to
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take my physical bullion profits.
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Also, major mining shares that have been bought early in the
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year when they bottomed around February on the belief that two
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of the things that were accelerating gold were peaking
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at the moment, not knowing whether it will get to Trump and
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the Harrison in a minute. 1 was we were just finishing up the
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brick movement and a lot of the movement in the gold market was
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anticipation of that meeting. And what people tend to do is
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they kind of sense buy the rumor and sell the news.
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I felt once that meeting took place, it won't be till next
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spring or summer that we start hearing from them again about
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the next things they're going to be doing.
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That was number one. Number two was there were signs
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that at least for the time being, the bullion banks, I'm
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sorry, the central banks were slowing their purchases down,
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particularly China. So that was 'cause enough.
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It just so happened that after I took those profits, the Trump
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win or what I like to call this to some the second coming of
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Christ seems to be Trump based on all the optimism that has
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come about. That also has been a negative
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because the world somehow thinks it's going to be a safer and
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better place and gold maybe not be as needed.
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But here's the most important thing of all that, Ron.
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It was really, really good for anybody that's still bullish.
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We we, we rose 40%. Gold is not, you know, people
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talk about Bitcoin being a reserve currency.
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You know, reserve currencies, true reserve shouldn't move 40
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or 50% in a year, let alone in a week up and down like Bitcoin
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can and all. So it was really good for gold
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to have that correction. I think it's as I spoke this
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morning before you and I put an update to my readers and
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clients, I really think much of that correction is over.
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Is it still possible we dip towards 2500?
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Yeah. Is it theoretically possible we
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can go all the way to 2300 and still being a bull mark?
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Yes, I don't think that's the case.
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I think the bottom is being made now.
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But on the other hand, Ron, I also think at least for the
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balance of this year, we're going to go into a trading
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range. There's nothing catalystic that
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I see that could suddenly vault it back up, but that's all good
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for any of us like me who still think 3000 plus is going to be
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the number, if not higher. That's all good for the future
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if you're looking just past your nose.
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Yeah, yeah. And, and you and I talked before
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we before we came live here about the fact that over the
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years, over the decades, and you've watched gold and silver a
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little bit longer than I have. Even pull backs are normal,
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right? I mean, it feels like everyone
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in the precious metal sector, not everyone, but a lot of
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people are like, oh gosh, it's over and out, you know, But I
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mean, gold is down what, 7 percent, 8% from its recent
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high. And if you look at it past
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performance during gold, gold and silver bull markets for that
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matter, all of the metals will have numerous, numerous
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occasions where they pull back 891012, sometimes even 15%
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during these multi year bull markets.
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you're from Ron's basement. The largest whiners are the
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people that tend to also own the largest junior resource stocks.
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I know that I'm one of them. There's a 2.
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So what happened was when we see the pullback, we go.
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My shares never got to go going. Now gold's going down.
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I'm done. There's no way they're going to
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go up without, you know, gold going up and all.
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They tend to be the loudest of those calls.
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But here's the important thing to remember in a cyclical bull
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market, which gold has been in for several years.
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OK, sharp but hard corrections are the norm.
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I'd be more concerned if we were dripping down 20, rally in 10,
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dripping down another dirty rally in 15, a rolling over
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effect. These type of sharp and swift
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corrections. Let's remember one other thing.
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This is important. I'm not going to get into all
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the conspiracies about gold cartels and all this stuff and
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all, but gold is still treated like kryptonite by the major
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financial world. Has always been, always will be,
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and there's always those people poke their heads out during the
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corrections. I told you, I told you you
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shouldn't own gold. And now it has a steal.
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A competitor, so to speak, where most of those people are pushing
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real hard on Bitcoin, trying to say steal again.
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Let's not forget it was just a couple years ago when gold was
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at 1600 and crypt and cryptocurrency Bitcoin was near
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70. Gold's going to 0.
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It's a relic. Bitcoin's the new gold.
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Well, you know what? All right, Bitcoin made it to 90
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from 70, but we've gone from 1600 the 28 trading around 2600.
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So all these things, your your viewers and I, and I know this
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fits also for silver. All your viewers need to know
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this is just a correction in the cyclical bull market that still
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has a way to go in my view. Yeah.
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Yeah, and, and, and yes, we've had this.
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I, I termed it yesterday morning the, the Trump slump in the
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precious metals market. But when we look at the big
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picture of what's going on in this country, you know,
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regardless of whether Donald Trump is president, whoever
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would have been president just this morning, we rolled over or
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achieved a new $36 trillion national debt level.
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That's not going away. And, and as we, you know, it
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seems like I could like, like you said, like everyone thinks,
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oh, this is the, the new Messiah, you know, the new
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savior and everything's great now in the world.
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But that doesn't erase the $36 trillion debt in the interest
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payments that are going to be made and the fact that we still
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have a deficit. Any thoughts on on as we head in
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the next year, how how things even like looking at the bond
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market, how things might be impacted by by what is a just
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incredibly high debt level at this point?
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Well, I went to look at Bible verses where the second coming
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is spoken of and there were no pictures of Trump there.
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As much as some people want to believe that.
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I think it's 1000 times better than he won, than Harris won,
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but nevertheless. But one thing I think you can
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count on, no question about it, he and the Senate and the
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Congress, Republicans, whatever, they are just going to keep
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spending more than we make and accelerate because you can't
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make all these promises as he says, well, I'm not going to
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have this person pay taxes and those that pay Social Security
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owner to pay taxes. And if you own cryptocurrency,
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you're not going to pay taxes at all.
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You still need money to run the government, OK.
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And you talk about efficiencies and guys are going to come in,
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Musk and all, and we're going to save hundreds of billions of
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dollars maybe and so forth. Easier said than done.
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And remember this, these bureaucrats that he talks about
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the swamp or what everybody wants to call, there's a lot
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more of them. It's not just one or two people.
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It's a way of life for people. And they can do a lot to
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sabotage that ability to do that.
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And it's not like you can just pull them out and get new people
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and replace them to do what they do.
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So there's a honeymoon period. Now this is very important.
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If you mind me sharing this wrong.
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It's a honeymoon period. It's, it also gets enhanced by a
10:05
period that I call to say no to Bah, humbug advice.
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Meaning between Thanksgiving and New Year's, people don't want to
10:14
hear any negative news. Doesn't matter whether you were
10:16
absolutely right or whatever. You can't speak to people and
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start saying, hey, listen, I really think the, the economy is
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going to crash. The debt's going to kill us and
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all because the most average people are in a positive mood
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that the other eleven months they're not.
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So this honeymoon period will be enhanced this melt up period
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that's going on because of that. But if you're looking past this
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year and really looking well into 2025 and 2026, a lot of the
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key issues that were out there before his win are there and
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they're not likely to get better.
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They're only get worse. And the number one is the debt.
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No. And, and, and, and I always say
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that I'm not at this is not a political show.
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And what we do is analyze what's going on kind of from a big
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picture is I think for you and I, one of the things we're
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focused on is the value of silver and gold.
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And when I look at Trump, OK, I love I, I, I love the fact that
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you called it a honeymoon period because that's what it feels
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like. You finally put into words what
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I've been feeling here for the last 8-9 ten days that like
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everything's wonderful. You know, everybody's in love
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and well, not the Harris by Harris Walls supporters, but
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everything in the world's going to be great.
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And the remains that that that this debt level's not gone.
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And I want to point out one more thing about Trump as well.
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I'm going to be curious to get your thoughts on this because he
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has made a lot of promises, right?
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No more, no more taxes on tips, no more taxes on Social
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Security, no more, you know, just a whole slew of grandiose
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promises. But when you look at Donald
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Trump's background as both a president and a businessman, do
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you think it's safe to say that he's he's not a person who is
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generally, he has not embraced austerity, that he's been a guy
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who's spent a lot of money and racked up a lot of debt and even
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gotten himself into some trouble with debt over the years.
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So why suddenly everybody thinks that he's going to kind of
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revamp the government and, and balance the budget and, you
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know, even think about making a dent in the national debt?
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To me is is a little bit, you know, of a fantasy well.
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What he has going for him and like you said, remembering this
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is not a political show and nor do I get too political compared
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to what he was running against The absurdity of literally what
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they had done for four years and then not present any rational
12:42
plan other than we're going to make change.
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You're going to make change. You're the part of the reasons
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of the things that we're changing from.
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So he gets that extra boost too. But also understand this and
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this is going to come to focus after the honeymoon period's
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over as we get into 2025. There has been a core of people
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that ever since that man came down the escalator in 2016 to
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announce he was going to run for president.
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Absolutely despise everything about him.
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Hate, hate that's evil filled. OK.
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I from what little I've seen since the election, they're only
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accelerating that hate. They're not getting to the
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point. You know, maybe it's time we try
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to work it out with him. Maybe we got to try to find ways
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to mutual. No.
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So past this honeymoon period, past the inauguration, getting
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into spring of next year, he's going to be challenging.
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Let me just close with this on the political end.
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He doesn't have four years. He has two years.
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Ron. The reason I say that is we have
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the congressional election again in 2026.
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There always tends to be a little bit of a reversal when
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the other from the past one. We also have a series of
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senators up for election and there's far more Republican
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sitting senators up for election in 2026 than there are
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Democrats. If he doesn't hit the ground
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running and get a lot of success, those guys and gals are
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going to be worried about their re election.
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They may not stand with him as much if it doesn't all work out.
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So it's not this is of honor that the don't worry, be happy
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crowd on Wall Street. Like I said, it's like a second
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coming as if Christ has already arrived here.
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They got a period. This melt up could last, you
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know, several weeks, especially in through the holiday season.
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But it's not a slam dunk. And I, again, I always go back
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to the number one problem is America, because I see it in my
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planning group, has been living beyond its means.
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The average family spends more than they take in, and the
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government does that 10 times worse.
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And that can't continue. There's not an endless supply of
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being able to do that, irregardless of who the
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president is. Yeah.
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Yeah. So when you look out to 2025,
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Peter, I'm going to ask you a a big blanket question.
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Is there anything that scares you as we look out in the next
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year? I think 2024, a lot of people
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were predicting, you know, some big turmoil, the big election.
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We didn't have, you know, we had some big events, but I don't
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think any big major events. Is there anything that scares
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you when you look out to 2025? Other than that, I'm getting
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older and approaching mortality faster.
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I would just tell you that when you set a bar high, because the
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market now, since this election has really set the bar very
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high, you have very little room for error.
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And in fact, slip UPS, which would have been viewed as slips
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up now look like major falls. I think that would be the
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biggest. But the thing that I've been
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eyeing that I've been Speaking of and spoken again today in,
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in, in a, in a commentary I made to my readers and all, the
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biggest fear for the stock market right now is interest
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rates. And despite the Fed cutting
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twice, the 10 year is actually gone substantially higher and
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not lower. And when you look at one of the
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handful of brilliant people in the world tomorrow, this guy
15:58
would take my money. I would sell all my juniors and
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just give it to him because that's how good he is.
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Stanley Drunken Miller is my biggest hero.
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He has really, he's gone very short this the bond market, very
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concerned about rising interest rates in an environment where
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everything is going lower. And then you got a guy like
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Warren Buffett who you can make fun of, you can make all the
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jokes you want. How many people have done better
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than him in the last twenty, 30-40 years?
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This man is selling a lot of stocks, not buying a lot of
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stocks and all. So I think that the, the concern
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would be is interest rates. That's what we have to watch.
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We, we, we're being told by the Fed inflation's controlled and
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you know, same people had said it was never coming in the 1st
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place. And then of course, the change,
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the people who remember now we're going to get a wholesale
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change of people running government and all, and all, we
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all know yet what their exact plans are going to be.
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I, I really think the surprise is going to be is that he's
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going to be more open to spending money than even the
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Biden administration was. Because if you remember this,
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the key to Trump before COVID, he did a huge tax.
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But if you remember and he said, well, I'm willing to spend
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trillions of dollars more because it will grow the economy
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and the higher growth of the economy will help pay down that
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debt in the future. Well, we never knew if it could
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work because COVID came. So you can't blame COVID that it
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didn't work for him at all. I think he's going to take that
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same attitude, especially since he's not worried about running
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again. So I think one of the other
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things that will concern me is Trump could become a big, big
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spender, bigger spender than some thought of.
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But we won't know that until the, you know, the several weeks
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pass by and his administration takes hold and we start to see
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the what they're actually trying to accomplish in the Senate and
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Congress. Yeah, yeah, 2.
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Two more questions, Peter. And what the 1st?
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Relate allow three Ronnie that's.
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OK, Thank you. But as, as we talk about these
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interest rates going up and we talked about Trump spending and
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obviously we've already talked about now $36 trillion in debt,
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is that debt is that spending increases and potentially
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deficits increase and interest rates at the same time, because
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we know that the world is not as receptive to buying our debt as
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they were in the past. I mean, could we get into a
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situation like we're, we're really truly in a debt spiral?
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I mean, if the, if the national debt level continues to go up
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and the interest rates continue to also go up, I mean, don't we
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like pretty quickly reach a point where the managing that
18:35
debt is, I think the correct word is untenable.
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Like it just doesn't work anymore.
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Did you? Do you have any any thoughts on
18:42
that, Peter? First Mining Gold is a
18:44
development company advancing 2. Of the largest gold projects.
18:48
In Canada, Spring Pole in Ontario and Duparque, located in
18:53
Quebec, each already has 5 million ounces of gold reserves,
18:58
but exploration initiatives are underway at both projects to
19:02
find even more gold. First Mining is well financed,
19:07
has zero debt and owns an interest and four additional
19:11
Canadian gold development projects.
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Yeah. So the Congressional Budget
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Office earlier this year, which is if there is anything left to
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bipartisanship in Washington, it is it.
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They came out with a forecast that the the debt is going to go
19:25
to 54 trillion. And I would be surprised that
19:29
they come up with a new forecast where it may come to that even
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faster than they thought over the next eight to 10 years.
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And their forecast also didn't include a major recession, which
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if it happens, that'll speed it up.
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But let's just say it gets, let's just say it gets to 50
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trillion in the next 3, five or whatever years.
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At $50 trillion in a 5% interest rate, that's 2.5 trillion in an
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interest expense. The bestest government has ever
19:56
done was in 2022. We did just around 5 trillion in
20:01
revenue. So we'll be talking half of
20:06
revenue from 20 and even that gets boosted up and increases
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somewhat. It's unsustainable.
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We're going to pay anywhere to 40 to 50% of our income just to
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pay our national interest debt. That's the big concern.
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That's why I believe central banks around the world have been
20:22
big buyers of gold. That's why the bricks are
20:25
forming for that and a lot of other reasons.
20:27
And while this is a. I have a storm like we went
20:30
through a hurricane and now Trump is the eye.
20:32
So it looks like things are, oh, look, the sun came out again.
20:36
We haven't seen the second leg of that.
20:38
And what you speak about is where the second leg would be
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formed. And I'm still concerned that
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that is going to happen because there's no movement.
20:45
In fact, like I just said a few minutes ago, I think we're going
20:48
to accelerate thanks to Trump on the debt level.
20:51
Yeah, Yeah. And then I mean, we could get to
20:53
a point where just in order to get the interest rates down to a
20:57
manageable level, the only option is for the Fed to
21:00
monetize the debt, to print money and for the Fed to buy the
21:03
debt, which obviously would be tremendously supportive to the
21:07
gold and silver price. Well, I'll tell you when people
21:10
say the Fed isn't political, I believe the 50 point basis cut
21:14
had a lot to do with the hope that Biden would be in.
21:17
All you have to do is look at Rome Powells answer at his
21:19
latest conference when the word Trump is mentioned.
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OK, so here you got to cut A50 basis point, you get a cut a
21:27
.25. And then he says in a conference
21:29
this week, well, you know, I don't think interest rates are
21:31
going to have to go lower that anytime soon and you know,
21:34
yadda, yadda, yadda. And so I think the surprise is
21:37
going to be is that interest rates will not go as low as
21:40
people thought they would be. They'll actually bump higher.
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And I again, tell your viewers watch the 450 on the 10 year we
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get a few days above that. We're going to one of the things
21:50
that that's going to cause if there's still regular investors
21:53
out there and not trading the casino like atmosphere where
21:56
it's just algorithms and some stuff.
21:58
Bonds have become for the first time in 22 years based on models
22:03
more attractive than stocks based on historical going back,
22:06
you know, 100 years, a further bump up in rates while the stock
22:11
market still valuations go higher.
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Those type of traders that still exist, investors out there are
22:17
going to have to start to look at bonds over stocks.
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So we could get a fairly sharp downdraft after this melt up.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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OK. My second question and I have
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one more after this is you became famous back in the late
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80s around 1987, correct me if I'm wrong, because you predicted
22:37
the 1987 kind of stock market meltdown and you were on the
22:43
CNBCS of the day. You know, we're on every major
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news network. And I want to ask you now, today
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as compared to 1987, which was what 40 years ago or 30 years
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ago, how did things feel now to you compared to back then in
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any, any commentary on that, Peter?
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Well, you know, I'm not one to pat myself on the back, but I
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was not only fortunate to step aside in 87, I stepped aside in
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2000 and in 2007. This is so much more.
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I'll tell you the two things that are dramatically different
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from them. First of all, understand I was
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28 years old. What?
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No, I was like 20. No, it's true.
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I was 30 years old. I was in the business three
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years, how I forecasted it and then the next day to tell
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everybody we're going back to a new high in two years.
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What I knew then and what I knew now, It's just, it's just so
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much different. I God had his hand in that
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because there's no way my intelligence should have
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generated that thought. But having said all that, the
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two big differences are the fundamentals of far, far worse
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that we didn't have the debt, we didn't have a we were still
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popular in the world. All sorts of fundamental
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arguments I think you can make now that there's so many more
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concerns. And then, but the single biggest
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thing now, the level of complacency among investors and
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the professional community right now, this skyrocketed higher
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than anything back then. In fact, what didn't exist then
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that exists now. Do you know that four out of A10
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licensed financial advisors right now weren't even born when
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I made that forecast in 1987? And I'm not making fun of them.
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I'm not saying that some of them can't be brilliant at all, but
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these younger folks have been brought up on driving on a one
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way St. run in their careers other than, Oh my God, they're
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doing construction. So they turned.
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It was a, you know, a serious correction or, you know, the
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COVID hit. But they didn't have to stay
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that long on the detour and they were back on the road and
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putting back cruise control and just sitting there going, wow,
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this is easy. This is good.
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If and when there ever becomes a bear market that's sustainable
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past a few weeks or a few months, I don't think they or
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the investment community. And I'll tell you one last
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thing, if I may, in the planning group that that we're part that
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I'm part of in the US still 7 out of 10 families walking in
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are spending more than they they make.
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They're living a lifestyle above.
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They're borrowing for the future.
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They're buying, borrowing for car leases, they're deferring
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maintenance to their homes. They're not adding to their
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retirement savings and all so they can live a lifestyle higher
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than they should be in all. And one of the engines that's
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allowed them to do that is the above average returns they were
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getting in the stock market. Even if the market doesn't go
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down a lot, but it doesn't start to keep high single digit,
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double digit returns. These people's lifestyle are in
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a big traumatic problem. So these are things that are not
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going to be discussed clearly in the non bond humbug period
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between Thanksgiving and New Year's.
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But if you still invest for years and not minutes and hours
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and days as long term they should be something that you
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should be concerned about. Yeah, Yeah.
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Thank you. Thank you, Peter.
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Now you and I love to invest in junior gold mining companies,
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exploration companies or resource junior resource
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companies. I want to talk about something
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which is good, which happened recently and that's with a stock
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that you and I both own Cantera. We aren't giving financial
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advice. Neither of us obviously are are
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full disclaimer in that it is a stock I know that I own and I
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think I can say that you own as well.
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Any commentary on that? That's really been moving lately
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and I've talked with the CEO, you've talked with the CEO seems
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like a great story. What are your any thoughts you
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want to share with with us regarding Cantera?
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Fortuna Mining is a global intermediate gold and silver
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producer since 2005. Fortuna's best in class
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management has delivered impressive growth and profits.
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Fortuna's solid financial position and operational
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expertise allows for performance in any precious metals price
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cycle, but also provides a foundation from which to harvest
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robust profits in more favorable metals markets.
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Investing in Fortuna is an investment in quality, long
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term, sustainable production of in demand precious and base
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metals. So first, let me make a couple
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disclosures. 1, you have to be mentally and financially
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prepared to lose part of all your capital.
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And if you're not, don't even think about this consideration.
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2, I am beyond any legitimate whole level of holdings in
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juniors. I bet the ranch.
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I bet the basement I was in the other room so I can't talk that
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loud because she's already concerned about how far I've
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gone. But having said all that, the
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bulk of my investments now are in junior resource stocks.
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And the reason is this, the metals have moved greatly and
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like we just discussed, the correction is ending could go
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higher. The major mining companies are
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cash flow cows now. They are just remember and and
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two of their biggest costs are going down, particularly oil.
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So they're going to just they're going to be cash, free cash flow
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machines. These majors whether they
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produce 1,000,000 oz a year, some produce as many as 5
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million oz a year, that's 5 million oz this year that they
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produce. They got to find 5 million for
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10 years from now and so forth of trouble.
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They have not spent a ton of money over a lot of years
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looking for new resources. They're going to have one and
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really only one option, go find ready made resources and all.
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So I'm expecting M&A to be really, really increased in
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2025. The junior market which we can
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spend hours on why it hasn't done what it should and all the
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other stuff and all. There are projects out there now
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where metals in the ground for gold are as little as $5 and no
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more than $20.00 an ounce. The estimate is if a major
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wanted to go out now and start on their own, by the end of the
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day they'd spend between 100 to $200.00 an ounce to get that
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medals. So I think juniors in general
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are going to finally have the year we've all waited for and
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expected the last two years. But everything is set up now for
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them. And in that, this particular
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company that you speak of, Canterra Minerals, they did
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something. And of course it's led by
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Michael Chantelius. He's the person that identified
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it to me is they used the adversity in the junior market
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to create opportunity themselves.
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They went out and got areas where different people that own
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different projects, etcetera, etcetera, who in a bull market
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would never consider giving up their projects.
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But things were so tough, they couldn't raise money.
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They had they were at the they were running on fumes and
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consolidated a land package in Newfoundland, where in the last
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two years, significant majors have gone in mid tiers have gone
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in and and paid a lot of money now for projects that were
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successful and identified good resources.
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And they did this under a stealth like market where no one
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was really looking at them. So the other day they announced
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their first drill results from their major.
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I was blown away by it. Stock was, it was a 10 to $12
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million market cap. I, I haven't even had a chance
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to publicly announce this. So I am going to, when we're
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done, put it out. But it's now come my third
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largest holding it. And it's, it's a dream that you
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hope for all the things that are being set for.
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But again, I want your, your viewers, you're in the basement
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because from some of your losses, you're not up in the
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penthouse. I know that feeling.
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I've been there, but it is one of several stories like that out
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there. And I just feel that if I'm
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going to take a shot and gamble because that's what, listen,
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when you hear people, can I tell this to your viewers?
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You hear people say we're speculating.
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No, we're gambling. Wall Street created the word
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speculating, so it doesn't say gambling.
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You have to be prepared mentally and financially to lose part of
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all your capital. If you are and you're honest
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with yourself, that company and others to me are extremely
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attractive. If you're going to speculate,
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slash gamble. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I and I love how you just described kind of the macro
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situation that the junior sector finds itself in.
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You have the big companies that have not invested in their
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resource pipeline right there were more focused over the last
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decade or so of paying off debt, shoring up their balance sheets.
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But every day they are eating through their quote UN quote
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inventory of available gold, silver, copper, whatever metal
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you want to describe and they need to replace that.
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And the, the valuations are still so incredibly low in the
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junior sector that, you know, like you said, with these
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companies, if they want to go out and try to explore for gold,
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copper, silver, whatever it is, it's going to, it's going to
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cost them multiples more than what they can just go purchase
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these junior companies. And these junior companies, I
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want to add as well, a lot of them depending on the company,
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you know, if it's a pure exploration company, this may
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not be the case, but a lot of these are even development stage
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companies that have already, I mean, the drilling's been done,
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the, the resource has been defined.
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It's, you know, that it's already in the ground and it's
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still a lot of times trading, you know, with gold, you know,
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10 dollars, $5.00 an ounce, $20.00 an ounce in the ground.
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To me, the value, I'm a value. I like, you know, what do I get
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for each dollar that I put into a company?
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The value. And I know it's risky and you
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always remind me of that and I could lose all of my capital.
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And but at the same time for me when I look at the value that I
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can get in a lot of these junior mining sector companies, it far
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exceeds really anywhere else that I look in the market.
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But I would have said that I want to say give this
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disclaimer, I would have said that same thing 18 months ago
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when a lot of the stocks were a much higher than they are right
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now. So.
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Thank you. Let me close on this when you
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say that, and you're actually right what you said.
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But here's here's an old thing that I learned from a master
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investor 25 years ago that became my mentor.
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Back then, he used to say I'd rather be two years too early
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than a day too late. Yeah.
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So we were two years too early on the juniors don't, I won't
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argue with that. But could we be a day too late
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if we started buying things now for the first time like Bitcoin
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or the stock market with 27 forward PE and all that?
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That's where I'd make the argument and why I put so much
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in the junior market. Yep, Yep.
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Thank you, Peter for joining me today.
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If people want to learn more about you, you have like a daily
33:57
blog post that you put out and they can register for that at
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petergrandich.com. Is that correct?
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Blog? But I do most of my work on on
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Keep Saying Twitter on X page, the X page, if you're going to
34:10
follow one thing on me, because if I do a video, I put it on X
34:13
page. If I make a blog post, it goes
34:15
on my X page. So the X page you know Peter
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Grandich is the best. Peter's also written a book,
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Confessions, Confessions of a former Wall Street whiz kid.
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I'd highly recommend it. I've read it.
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Can I tell you why the word former was added in the fifth?
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It wasn't. It used to be called Confessions
34:35
of a Wall Street Whiz Kid. When you end up losing millions,
34:38
not once or twice, you should not call yourself a whiz of
34:41
anything. So that's why it says a former
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Wall Street whiz kid. Yeah, well, you know, the game's
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not over yet, Peter. We're still we're, we're still
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kicking. And thank you.
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Is there anything else, anything I missed that you'd like to to
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share with the audience before we sign off?
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Some will say this is sucking up, but Ronnie, you are so you
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are so humble and so in love. What you what you do.
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Making money is really secondary in in what you doing all.
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And we got 1 bear. Yeah, I see that little silver
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bear. I always told you to.
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There was going to be a tougher chart to get to 85.
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But I can just tell you this, if I had to buy one sector right
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now versus any other sector, it'd be metals related in
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mining. And I think, and I say this with
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fingers crossed, I think the junior resource market's finally
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going to have the year we've looked for the last couple of
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years. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I feel that
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too, Peter. And, and I appreciate you
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sharing that with me and with the with the audience, you know,
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because it's been a rough ride. Oh, gosh, over the last, what,
35:48
two to three years? And it just feels like we're in
35:52
a different environment. But, you know, we'll, we'll,
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we'll catch up during 2025 maybe sooner and see and see where we
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are. Thank you.
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Thank you and God bless you, Ron.