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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:05S1: and crew.
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- 0:16S2: Cold spaghetti's. Great. Okay.
- 0:19S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, certainly it is not. No. Okay. Well, man,
- 0:25S3: I'm going back.
- 0:26S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
- 0:29S2: was universally loved.
- 0:31S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
- 0:34S4: That's just. It feels like.
- 0:37S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
- 0:42S1: Delivering the truth daily.
- 0:44S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:48S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:52S4: that would make it worth it.
- 0:53S5: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:56S5: the life source, which is God.
- 0:59S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 1:02S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 1:06S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 1:10S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 1:15S1: and Crew.
- 1:16S2: Welcome to the no condemnation zone. It's Garland crew. Yeah, man,
- 1:22S2: this is the no condemnation zone. We need that when
- 1:25S2: we're talking about time redemption. We're going to be tackling
- 1:28S2: it all week long. I mentioned time redemption. Everybody's little nerve,
- 1:33S2: their their neck veins starts twitching. And the reason is,
- 1:37S2: is we we live in a world with all these efficiencies,
- 1:40S2: all this technology that's supposed to be making things a
- 1:43S2: lot more productive and we can find ourselves spinning out
- 1:46S2: big time. What was it four years ago? Three years ago?
- 1:50S3: Yeah.
- 1:51S5: Probably closer to 2 or 3, I think.
- 1:54S2: Ask the question, what's that one thing that's holding you
- 1:57S2: back from everything that God has for you. And the
- 2:00S2: response was amazing. There were a lot of responses. They
- 2:03S2: fell into the categories of addiction, relational kind of hang
- 2:07S2: ups somewhere along the line. But one of the biggest
- 2:10S2: ones that floated to the surface was time, redemption, or
- 2:14S2: the lack thereof. And it's huge. It's a battle, man.
- 2:17S2: I mean, it's real. Uh, it's it's something we need
- 2:22S2: to get a hold of. And I want to open
- 2:24S2: the word here today. Go to Ephesians chapter five. It
- 2:30S2: starts with be imitators of God as beloved children, and
- 2:35S2: walk in love as Christ loved us and gave himself
- 2:37S2: up for us. And then it goes into toggle switch here.
- 2:42S2: But sexual immorality and all impurity and covetousness must not
- 2:48S2: even be named among you. And it goes on to
- 2:50S2: talk about idolatry and anything, covetousness, impurity, Anything that we
- 2:56S2: put before God get it out of our life. And
- 3:01S2: all of us would agree, young Thunder, that those things
- 3:05S2: can't be resonant. They can't be these patterns in the
- 3:09S2: life of a follower of Jesus 100%.
- 3:12S5: It's not. It's not congruent. It doesn't walk together with
- 3:15S5: walking with the Lord.
- 3:17S2: But check this out. So in the context of all
- 3:20S2: this idolatry, impurity of any kind, sexual immorality, the apostle
- 3:26S2: Paul goes into this verse 15, look carefully, then, how
- 3:30S2: you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the
- 3:34S2: best use of the time because the days are evil.
- 3:39S2: Fascinating that when it comes to a solution for idolatry
- 3:44S2: of any kind, any impurity, sexual immorality, and when you
- 3:48S2: say idolatry, you can put anything in that category any,
- 3:54S2: any person, any place, any thing that we're putting up
- 3:57S2: in place of God is idolatry. And the answer for
- 4:01S2: that is time redemption. Now, I think at face value,
- 4:06S2: that's a bit of a shocker, wouldn't you say?
- 4:08S5: Yeah. You wouldn't think of of time redemption as being
- 4:11S5: an idol because it's not a physical object. It's not
- 4:14S5: something that you, you know, you're looking at, but it,
- 4:17S5: it manifests in a lot of different ways in our lives.
- 4:20S2: It really does. And it's Gordon MacDonald who said probably
- 4:24S2: now five decades ago in ordering Your Private World, great book,
- 4:28S2: by the way, that he said, unseized time flows to
- 4:33S2: our weaknesses. Oh, Nellie, that is so true. And this
- 4:40S2: is why a lot of us find ourselves really feeling like, God.
- 4:45S2: If I could get control over one area of my
- 4:48S2: life that I know would have huge impact in every
- 4:52S2: other area. It would be redeeming time. Now young Thunder's
- 4:55S2: got this down pat.
- 4:57S5: You know me, I've never struggled.
- 4:59S2: So I want you to explain how you arrived at time. Redemption. Perfection.
- 5:05S5: Well, you see, the first thing is, is I haven't,
- 5:08S5: I haven't at all. It's a struggle for everybody. I mean, Carl,
- 5:13S5: we've talked about it before and it's actually encouraged me. Uh,
- 5:16S5: so I don't, you know, I'm not picking you out,
- 5:19S5: but it's encouraged me because I see how productive of
- 5:22S5: a person you are. And, and you tell me that
- 5:26S5: you struggle with it just the same as I do.
- 5:29S2: Yeah. It's a, it's a daily battle for everyone. And
- 5:32S2: I do I mean, I rise early this morning. Let
- 5:35S2: me look at the clock. Yeah, it's up at 3 a.m.
- 5:38S2: and I was going and working on some things here
- 5:41S2: this morning early. And now we're on air and I've
- 5:45S2: got a full day in front of me. But here's
- 5:47S2: what I've learned. 24 hours is a lot of time.
- 5:50S5: It's a lot of.
- 5:51S3: Time.
- 5:51S2: It's a lot of hours. And the question is not
- 5:55S2: what we're doing with the time that we've already claimed,
- 5:57S2: but what are we doing with unclaimed time? Now, this
- 5:59S2: is very important because I led with this is a
- 6:03S2: no condemnation zone. And I really mean this. There is
- 6:07S2: no way that you are hearing the voice of God
- 6:10S2: if you're getting beat up. Conviction is awesome. Condemnation awful.
- 6:15S2: Not from the Lord, but getting a hold of our
- 6:19S2: time is critical. And there's one key thing that you
- 6:23S2: can do that's going to help you with it. So
- 6:27S2: coming up here in a moment, we're going to give
- 6:29S2: you this key thing and kick this hour off, right?
- 6:33S2: It's Carl and crew. We're tackling the issue of time
- 6:35S2: redemption all week long, all of our guests, all of
- 6:39S2: our focus. And we're going to get really personal as well.
- 6:43S2: This week we're going to tell you what God's calling
- 6:45S2: us to do.
- 6:47S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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- 6:53S2: Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus.
- 6:56S2: This whole week we're tackling the issue of time, redemption.
- 7:00S2: And this is. This is worth repeating here in Ephesians five,
- 7:06S2: we find this almost surprising passage. The Apostle Paul's wax
- 7:15S2: in here as he's writing, therefore be imitators of God.
- 7:19S2: Verse one of chapter five and walk in love as
- 7:23S2: Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as
- 7:25S2: a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Let me read
- 7:29S2: a few verses here. But sexual immorality and all impurity
- 7:34S2: or covetousness must not even be named among you, as
- 7:38S2: is proper among saints. Let therefore be no filthiness, nor
- 7:44S2: foolish talk, nor crude joking which are out of place,
- 7:48S2: but instead let there be thanksgiving, for you may be
- 7:53S2: sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure,
- 7:57S2: or who is covetous or an idolater has no inheritance
- 8:04S2: in the kingdom of Christ and God. Then he goes
- 8:08S2: on to say, let no one deceive you with empty words.
- 8:11S2: So those deceptive words would have been somehow justifying the
- 8:14S2: actions that you have. Don't partake in darkness, guys, he says,
- 8:23S2: but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as
- 8:27S2: children of light. In verse 15, he does this flip
- 8:34S2: of the switch and he says, look carefully. Then, in
- 8:37S2: light of everything that he's written here in chapter five,
- 8:40S2: look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise, but
- 8:44S2: as wise, making the best use of the time because
- 8:49S2: the days are evil. We're going to be camped out
- 8:51S2: here all week long. And in Psalm 90, Moses is
- 8:55S2: one song that he wrote that made it into the
- 8:58S2: hymnal of songs because he says, teach us to number
- 9:03S2: our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.
- 9:06S2: I love this. He does not say wise people redeem time.
- 9:11S2: He says people who redeem time become wise. That means
- 9:15S2: wisdom is attainable for every person listening today. As I've
- 9:22S2: pulled people over the years, I have found that almost
- 9:26S2: no one that I've ever met is immune to finding themselves,
- 9:30S2: slipping into all kinds of different, missing the marks in
- 9:35S2: their life. That's the term for sin that isn't directly
- 9:40S2: related in some way to the lack of time redemption
- 9:45S2: because UN sees time flows to our weaknesses. It just does.
- 9:48S5: I think that's one of the most powerful quotes that
- 9:51S5: we've had on this show when it comes to time redemption,
- 9:53S5: because we don't think about it being actively dangerous for
- 9:57S5: us to waste a little time are a little bit
- 10:00S5: over here, a little bit over there, not a big problem,
- 10:02S5: but it really does flow to our weaknesses. We don't
- 10:06S5: we don't go, I'm not seeing that time. And in that,
- 10:10S5: I happen to do the most successful thing in the
- 10:12S5: entire world. Yeah. No.
- 10:15S2: Yeah. It's really true. So the question is where do
- 10:18S2: you go from here? So I've got a challenge for
- 10:22S2: you that I'm going to put out. And some of
- 10:24S2: you have downloaded this in the past. Maybe you forgot
- 10:27S2: about it. Maybe you never kind of opened it. But
- 10:30S2: I'm going to give you a link that is going
- 10:32S2: to be one of those the most unusual links you've
- 10:36S2: ever seen. It's going to have a download attached to it.
- 10:38S2: And what it is, is a calendar of one week,
- 10:42S2: one week, half hour blocks for every hour of the week,
- 10:48S2: and you can begin this whenever you want. You can
- 10:51S2: begin it today. You can begin it tomorrow morning when
- 10:54S2: you rise. And the goal is this. It's not to
- 10:58S2: beat you up, it's to get a good overview assessment
- 11:01S2: of where are the unseized blocks of time in my
- 11:05S2: life that are by nature, kind of getting my cookie
- 11:09S2: in a squisher here and you want to get freed
- 11:12S2: from those. So here's what I'm going to do, and
- 11:15S2: we're going to explain it coming up here in a moment.
- 11:18S2: But I want you to come get this link right now.
- 11:20S2: It's really easy to grab. And then we're going to
- 11:23S2: walk you through how to utilize this bad boy. All right.
- 11:25S2: How do they get it young thunder.
- 11:27S5: Yeah, it's real easy. Just text the word time. Text
- 11:30S5: time to 805 557898. Once you do there's a link there,
- 11:36S5: click it. It'll have a blog. And at the very
- 11:38S5: end a downloadable resource with that chart. Carl's talking about
- 11:41S5: text time to (800) 555-7898.
- 11:46S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 11:50S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 11:54S1: Moody radio.
- 11:56S2: This is a condemnation free zone. There is no condemnation here.
- 12:01S3: Because we both.
- 12:02S5: We both go through the same thing that you are.
- 12:04S3: Yeah. Yeah.
- 12:04S2: And Carl and dude hold down the fort.
- 12:07S3: That's right.
- 12:08S2: So here's the deal. Time. Redemption is a big deal. Uh, the.
- 12:16S2: The reality is, is that Satan sets a lot of
- 12:19S2: traps for us. But a lot of those traps are
- 12:21S2: set when we don't have redeem time. Okay, before I
- 12:24S2: get into the nuts and bolts of this link that
- 12:26S2: you just grabbed, and if you didn't yet, just text
- 12:28S2: the word time one word time to 805 557898. I
- 12:35S2: want to tell you how important it is to use
- 12:37S2: this as a tool, but not as a tool of condemnation.
- 12:40S2: This is a resource for you to assess. Man, where
- 12:45S2: are the holes in my days where Satan might be
- 12:50S2: getting a foothold? Now this is all born out of
- 12:53S2: Ephesians chapter five, and this is what we find. Let
- 12:58S2: there be no filthiness, no foolish talk, no crude joking,
- 13:02S2: no idolatry, no sexual immorality. And he's given all this
- 13:06S2: list of things and he's saying, here's how we do it.
- 13:10S2: Look carefully then, how you walk, not as unwise but
- 13:13S2: as wise, making the best use of the time because
- 13:16S2: the days are evil. So here's what I've found as
- 13:21S2: a pastor for a lot of years. Most of the
- 13:28S2: sin that we find ourselves falling into or stepping into
- 13:33S2: is not done when we are seizing time, taking hold
- 13:38S2: of it, redeeming it. But it's in those moments in
- 13:41S2: the day when they are unclaimed. This does not mean
- 13:46S2: that I am promoting workaholism. This does not mean that
- 13:51S2: you've got to get so granular and so fixated that
- 13:54S2: you begin worshipping time. No. Time is a commodity that
- 13:58S2: God gave us. He calls us to redeem it. We
- 14:02S2: become wise when we do. Further clarity. You can nap
- 14:08S2: to the glory of God.
- 14:10S3: Amen.
- 14:10S2: You can hug children to the glory of God. You
- 14:14S2: can have a plan for your day that gets interrupted
- 14:17S2: by a neighbor to the glory of God. You can.
- 14:21S2: There's a lot of things you can do to the
- 14:23S2: glory of God, but identifying and assessing where your time
- 14:27S2: is going can be a really prudent exercise.
- 14:30S5: I think so. I think that it's it's time. intentionality
- 14:35S5: that helps us redeem it. Because I've seen and you
- 14:38S5: have two people who work all day long, 24 over
- 14:43S5: seven don't do anything but work, work, work, work, work.
- 14:45S5: And they're not redeeming time correctly. You see an off
- 14:49S5: balance in their life because that's not redeeming time. We
- 14:52S5: have to be intentional to take care of the things
- 14:54S5: that God has given us with our time.
- 14:56S2: That is so spot on. And I have I have
- 14:59S2: fallen into that trap many times. So when you're redeeming time,
- 15:03S2: there has to be time to renew yourself. And renewal
- 15:08S2: doesn't happen by doing nothing. It's by moving toward God.
- 15:12S2: That's the Sabbath principle. But I give you this tool again,
- 15:17S2: if you're just tuning in right now, we're talking time redemption.
- 15:20S2: This can be a tool that we're going to be
- 15:21S2: giving you throughout the week, but text the word time
- 15:24S2: right now, and we'll get this to you when you
- 15:28S2: get this tool. Our number here, by the way, is
- 15:30S2: 805 55578981 word time. And we'll get this straight out
- 15:35S2: to you. And I'm opening it right now with you guys.
- 15:38S2: Boom crew. And if you're driving right now, don't try
- 15:41S2: to do this on the fly. But if you open
- 15:43S2: it up, you're going to find at the bottom a
- 15:46S2: downloadable resource. And all it is, is a printable calendar
- 15:49S2: that has Sunday through Saturday from 12 a.m. to 11:30 p.m.
- 15:55S2: with a little note section at the bottom. And here's
- 15:59S2: the goal. The goal is not to turn this into
- 16:02S2: some kind of an idol as well, because we're not
- 16:04S2: to be time worshipers. And yes, you can in fact
- 16:07S2: become a workaholic. That's not the goal. The goal is
- 16:11S2: to find those those blocks of time in our life
- 16:17S2: that are unredeemed and to begin to reclaim them. And
- 16:20S2: I think you're going to find a pattern here, whether
- 16:23S2: it's workaholism and you need to provide more time for family, God, hobbies, friendships,
- 16:32S2: community in the church or its empty blocks of time
- 16:36S2: that are going to that get gobbled up with doomscrolling
- 16:41S2: time wasting of any kind video games, binge and Netflix,
- 16:46S2: you name it. And here's what I've learned. A lot
- 16:49S2: of us think that we're redeeming time better than we
- 16:53S2: actually are. We've got some stats here that prove that
- 16:58S2: between four and a half and five hours a day
- 17:00S2: is spent scrolling on phones, looking at newsfeeds, getting updates
- 17:05S2: that doesn't even include TV watching, which is on average
- 17:10S2: an hour and a half to two hours, I think,
- 17:12S2: per person. And with the screens that we have now,
- 17:17S2: it's becoming more of a disproportionate time grabber for people
- 17:21S2: than TV used to be. So there's all kinds of
- 17:25S2: things screaming our name for our attention. And the goal
- 17:29S2: of this exercise is again to just assess man. God,
- 17:33S2: where am I not redeeming time so that I can
- 17:38S2: begin to get victory over some of these things, like
- 17:41S2: idols that I've set up in my life. I'm finding
- 17:45S2: myself getting into all kinds of traps very candidly. I'm
- 17:49S2: going to be bold with you men here right now.
- 17:52S2: It's usually not those work hours. It's usually not those
- 17:57S2: hours at church for sure. It's not those hours where
- 18:00S2: you're redeeming time. Well, that you get in trouble. It's
- 18:04S2: those unseized hours, oftentimes in the evening where you don't
- 18:10S2: have anything that you need to be doing. Nothing's been
- 18:13S2: claimed for that time, and you find yourself getting tempted
- 18:17S2: by Satan to head down paths on your phone, where
- 18:22S2: you find yourself baited by Satan and then beat up
- 18:25S2: by him when you take the bait. That's just the reality.
- 18:30S2: So here's how I want you to use this. Print
- 18:34S2: this thing out and begin to look at seven days.
- 18:38S2: And what you want to do is not aim for perfection,
- 18:41S2: but try to log each half hour. How has this
- 18:45S2: time been used? Where are the gaps? Where are the
- 18:48S2: places that I'm finding myself getting sucked up into and
- 18:54S2: scrolling waste in time in some way, shape or form
- 19:00S2: so that I can reclaim those hours of the day.
- 19:03S2: And surveys say there's a lot more time unredeemed than
- 19:08S2: we would ever estimate. We have a potential here to
- 19:13S2: overestimate how well we're doing with time redemption, don't we?
- 19:16S2: My man.
- 19:16S5: No doubt about that. And I think that sometimes, too,
- 19:20S5: this is another kind of aspect of it is, you know,
- 19:23S5: if you're working on something that you really need to
- 19:25S5: focus on. And for me, this is a big struggle
- 19:28S5: for me. I kind of combine my time with redeemed
- 19:33S5: time and not redeemed time. So I'm working on something
- 19:36S5: really good, but I've also got the TV in the background,
- 19:39S5: and it's distracting me from doing what I need to
- 19:42S5: be doing well. And so it's like, hey, look at
- 19:46S5: those moments too, and say, hey, in this pocket of
- 19:49S5: redeeming time, am I actually as focused as I need
- 19:52S5: to be on it? Or am I, have I got
- 19:54S5: something on in the background that's kind of distracting me
- 19:56S5: from doing what I need to do?
- 19:58S3: Well, yeah. Yeah.
- 20:01S2: So here's the link. Text time to 805 557898. Just
- 20:08S2: one word time to 805 5578, 98. And I want
- 20:13S2: to encourage you to try this and don't make too
- 20:18S2: much of a job out of logging these times. Obviously,
- 20:22S2: you don't wake up in the middle of the night
- 20:24S2: and log every half hour of sleep. Just put a
- 20:27S2: big old X through whatever time you're asleep.
- 20:29S3: Exactly.
- 20:30S2: Then begin to just look back every half hour, every hour,
- 20:34S2: every couple hours and go, what have I done here? Okay,
- 20:37S2: write this down and you're going to find some trend
- 20:41S2: lines here that are going to be very illuminating for you.
- 20:43S2: And God can use this in a practical way. Takes
- 20:47S2: time to 805, 55, 78, 98. One word time to
- 20:52S2: 805 five, five, 78, 98. I'm curious who's going to
- 20:57S2: do this with us this week? I'm in it. I'm
- 21:01S2: doing it. I should, I wrote it, I better do
- 21:05S2: it with you. And I do this from time to time.
- 21:09S2: And this is a week I'm going to jump in
- 21:11S2: it with you. Who's doing it with me? If you're
- 21:13S2: doing it with me, just say I'm with you. Carl
- 21:17S2: 805 557898. Let's go watch what God can do.
- 21:23S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
- 21:27S1: Carl and crew.
- 21:29S2: Talking redeeming time all week long. And boy, this is
- 21:33S2: a hot topic. I'm going to bring in my guest
- 21:35S2: right now, Shante Feldon, with us right now. She is.
- 21:38S2: I was teasing her before we went on air. She's
- 21:40S2: the data queen, not the dancing queen. Like Ava sings about.
- 21:43S2: She's the data queen. You love data, don't you, Shante?
- 21:48S7: Way too much. A matter of fact, I sometimes can't
- 21:52S7: help myself from nerding out.
- 21:54S2: No, I love data as well. This is why the
- 21:57S2: first time I heard you down at, I think it
- 22:00S2: was Saint Pete Beach at the Don Cesar, I think
- 22:03S2: you were speaking down there to all of us.
- 22:05S7: Might have been it.
- 22:06S2: Yeah. Family life weekend to remember speakers. Yeah. And I
- 22:10S2: was just blown away. Now, bad numbers are a problem,
- 22:14S2: but good numbers, boy, they don't lie. You know, I've
- 22:17S2: got an intriguing question for you because we're talking redeeming
- 22:21S2: time and you've got to work out called Fine balance
- 22:23S2: thriving in a do it all world. And I'm intrigued
- 22:27S2: about that. We'll get into that. But I asked a
- 22:29S2: question one time how, Jonathan, when was that young thunder?
- 22:33S2: That must have been 4 or 5 years ago. Now,
- 22:36S2: what is that one thing that's holding you back from everything.
- 22:40S5: I you know what it was probably.
- 22:42S3: What was it.
- 22:43S5: 2 or 3 years.
- 22:43S3: Ago?
- 22:44S2: Two a year? Yeah. It wasn't that far back. So
- 22:46S2: Shante the number I would say the number one response,
- 22:50S2: if there was one that was more weighted, it was
- 22:52S2: people who feel like with all this stuff to do,
- 22:57S2: they're killing themselves because they aren't redeeming time. It's just
- 23:00S2: getting frittered away and they're getting baited by Satan to
- 23:03S2: waste time. And then they get beat up by Satan
- 23:06S2: when they do. Do you have any data points on
- 23:09S2: people that don't? Are there any people that use their
- 23:12S2: time perfectly all the time?
- 23:15S7: Well, no, because we are. We are all human. And
- 23:19S7: so part of this is giving ourselves just a bit
- 23:21S7: of a break.
- 23:22S3: Yes.
- 23:23S7: Um, but, you know, one of the other things, if
- 23:25S7: I could just jump into that, one of the other
- 23:28S7: things that I think is a common misunderstanding, misconception, certainly
- 23:34S7: maybe advice that we give people. I don't know how
- 23:38S7: many times I have heard some, you know, I'm, I'm
- 23:42S7: pretty busy. Right. So some maybe older, well-meaning woman who says, honey,
- 23:48S7: you just need to slow down. Yeah. You just need
- 23:51S7: to slow down. And it's interesting when I do women's
- 23:54S7: retreats and I say that in front of a group
- 23:56S7: of women and I say, now, how many of you
- 23:58S7: find that to be an encouraging statement? And nobody raises
- 24:02S7: their hand.
- 24:03S2: Why is that?
- 24:04S7: Well, here's the reason. Okay. Because all of us, whether
- 24:07S7: we're men or women, right? All of us know that
- 24:10S7: to some degree. I mean, sometimes slowing down is important, obviously,
- 24:15S7: but it is a solution for a short time, not
- 24:18S7: a solution for a lifetime. And so we need to
- 24:21S7: have a solution for a lifetime. And I think Jesus
- 24:24S7: gives us one.
- 24:26S2: Okay. We're going to get into that. Shaunti Feldhahn, my
- 24:28S2: guest right now, she's best selling author, podcaster, blogger, popular speaker.
- 24:33S2: She received her graduate degree from a little school. It's
- 24:37S2: a little hole in the wall, just a little place
- 24:40S2: called Harvard. And she was an analyst on Wall Street.
- 24:44S2: And so she uses her analytical skills big time to
- 24:46S2: help people understand what's going on. But here's what's beautiful.
- 24:50S2: It's with the Bible opened up and data just beyond that,
- 24:54S2: she figures out what's going on in this world. Okay,
- 24:56S2: crack it open for a sister. What are some discoveries
- 24:59S2: that you've got here?
- 25:01S7: Well, one of the most important and this is something
- 25:04S7: that you see all over Scripture, and you also see
- 25:06S7: this all over neuroscience. True actually is if you look
- 25:11S7: at the amazing promise that Jesus gives in Matthew 11,
- 25:16S7: the one you know, he's saying, come to me, all
- 25:19S7: you who are weary and burdened, and I will give
- 25:21S7: you rest. The rest of that statement is really telling
- 25:27S7: because he says, take my yoke upon you and learn
- 25:32S7: from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart,
- 25:35S7: and you will find rest for your souls. And then
- 25:38S7: he says, for my yoke is easy and my burden
- 25:41S7: is light. And now here's what I see from that.
- 25:43S7: That just jumps out at me, which is that we
- 25:49S7: think we need to take time off. Right? But Jesus's solution,
- 25:53S7: a yoke is a an implement to help a beast
- 25:57S7: of burden plow the field in the heat of the day.
- 26:00S7: His solution is not here. Let me take the yoke
- 26:02S7: off your shoulders and send you back to the barn
- 26:05S7: to find rest. His solution has something to do with.
- 26:09S7: In the good work of the day. You can be busy,
- 26:13S7: but you don't have to be stressed.
- 26:15S3: Boom.
- 26:17S7: Yes, you can be. You can be running around with kids.
- 26:21S7: You can be running around writing reports at work. You
- 26:24S7: can be running around doing whatever God has called you
- 26:26S7: to for your good work of the day. But you
- 26:29S7: can still find rest for your soul.
- 26:32S3: You know.
- 26:32S2: Shanti, here's what's amazing about that. It is so profoundly true.
- 26:36S2: For years I thought Sabbath was to slow down, to
- 26:41S2: use that term. It's just got to slow down and
- 26:43S2: almost do nothing, right. Sabbath is to rest in the someone,
- 26:49S2: our God, who helps us to do things in a
- 26:53S2: way that's peaceful. It's not pulling away. It's moving toward God.
- 26:57S2: And that's exactly what Jesus is spiking there. Uh, okay.
- 27:01S2: Interesting thought and what's implied there. I went out way
- 27:04S2: out in the boondocks here in central Illinois and picked
- 27:08S2: up a yoke. I found an old one like 200
- 27:10S2: years old, and I brought it for a teaching illustration
- 27:14S2: at one of our campuses here in Chicago. And boy,
- 27:17S2: was it a great tool. And what's implied there is
- 27:20S2: you're right. It's not like we don't have a yoke.
- 27:23S2: We're exchanging a yoke. So the question everybody has is,
- 27:27S2: what have you learned? What is it that's going to
- 27:29S2: make that yoke of Christ different than two things? One,
- 27:34S2: the yoke of busyness apart from God. And then the
- 27:37S2: other thing is doing nothing, which is really doing something.
- 27:40S2: That's where Satan just pounds us.
- 27:43S7: Yes. Well, obviously the most important is when Jesus says,
- 27:49S7: take my yoke upon you and learn from me, right?
- 27:51S7: This is about a relationship with him, and this is
- 27:55S7: about him leading us into what is going to find
- 27:57S7: rest for our souls. But because everybody listening to this
- 28:00S7: is like, wait, that doesn't help me. Like, I don't
- 28:02S7: know what to do differently, right? And so one of
- 28:05S7: the things that we have seen in our research and
- 28:09S7: that so many scientists have discovered in other research, is
- 28:14S7: that it makes such a difference when we live according
- 28:18S7: to our design. And so this is we don't have
- 28:22S7: time to get into it here, but it's basically think
- 28:26S7: about the fact that every created thing that exists has
- 28:32S7: a purpose behind its creation and has like design specs, right? Like,
- 28:36S7: like if you, if your phone is not waterproof and
- 28:39S7: you dunk it in a bucket of water, it's going
- 28:42S7: to break. But if you don't do that and you
- 28:44S7: tend to use it according to its design, it's going
- 28:46S7: to tend to work. And it's that same idea. The
- 28:50S7: yolk is crafted to help the that creature do its work.
- 28:57S7: And but you have to live according to your design
- 29:00S7: because we have that same thing. We have a purpose
- 29:05S7: behind why God created us. And we have designed specifications
- 29:09S7: and we tend to live according to the way God
- 29:13S7: designed us. What is. What is our passion? What is
- 29:16S7: our giftedness that God has handed us to do in
- 29:19S7: his kingdom and not try to take on the yoke
- 29:23S7: that is not built for us?
- 29:26S3: Yeah, I love it.
- 29:26S7: Then suddenly things will flow a little bit better.
- 29:30S2: Shanti Feldon. My guest right now coming up here. Thriving.
- 29:34S2: Not surviving, but thriving in a do it all world.
- 29:39S2: We're going to break it down for you. We're going
- 29:40S2: to get us just a snippet into more research and
- 29:44S2: what we can do to have that light yoke that
- 29:46S2: is found in Jesus straight ahead.
- 29:49S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
- 29:54S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
- 29:58S1: on Moody Radio.
- 29:59S2: With me right now, Shanti Feldon. I just love giving
- 30:03S2: your background because I think it matters. Wall Street analyst
- 30:07S2: what the world did you learn there? Harvard grad. What
- 30:10S2: did you learn there that helps with your really equipping
- 30:14S2: the saints for life? What what did you take away
- 30:16S2: from there?
- 30:17S7: You know, it's interesting. I, I really feel like God
- 30:22S7: did something just like he tends to do in a
- 30:24S7: lot of lives where you look backwards and you're able
- 30:27S7: to go, oh, that's why that happened. Yeah. Um, and
- 30:31S7: it was really, to me, it was really about two things.
- 30:34S7: My Harvard time was about growing closer to him because
- 30:37S7: believe it or not, there are actually, even though Harvard
- 30:40S7: is a difficult environment for Christians, it's also a place
- 30:46S7: where if you are a believer, you have a choice.
- 30:49S7: Like your faith can either you can hide it under
- 30:52S7: a bushel because it's really hard, or you can gather
- 30:54S7: together with other believers and your faith just grows. And
- 30:58S7: so it's a, it's a really, I think for a
- 31:01S7: lot of people in any kind of environment like that.
- 31:05S7: It's a it's a real learning time. It's a character
- 31:07S7: building time. But from an analytical standpoint, because that was
- 31:11S7: my graduate degree, my master's degree was a very analytical one.
- 31:15S7: And working on Wall Street, it was basically about building
- 31:18S7: up that analytical research skill set that God was going
- 31:21S7: to use in a completely different way. Yeah. Which is
- 31:23S7: what I do now. Yes.
- 31:24S2: Yeah. No. It's amazing. As a matter of fact, I mean, the,
- 31:28S2: the amount of tools that God's given Shanti that have
- 31:31S2: been used mightily. Think about this. 3 million copies alone
- 31:35S2: in 25 languages for women only and for men only. Oh, guys,
- 31:40S2: we're going to have a link for you in a
- 31:41S2: little bit, but you've also done a work called Fine
- 31:44S2: Balance thriving in a do it all world. If if
- 31:48S2: I hope that's not an empty promise, because a lot
- 31:51S2: of people say, if I could just survive. But you propose. No,
- 31:55S2: we can thrive.
- 31:57S3: How?
- 31:57S7: Yeah. Yeah. Well, first and most important, it is truly
- 32:02S7: all about, okay, how do we step into this with Jesus, right?
- 32:06S7: Rather than trying to pull ourselves up by your bootstraps
- 32:09S7: because we know that doesn't always work so well. Um,
- 32:12S7: but then there are a couple of things that you
- 32:14S7: see in both science and scripture over and over and
- 32:18S7: over again. And so briefly, one of them we mentioned
- 32:21S7: right before the break, which is live according to your design,
- 32:24S7: live according to how God has made you, rather than
- 32:27S7: trying to live according to the design of the woman
- 32:30S7: next to you at the women's retreat.
- 32:32S3: Yeah.
- 32:32S7: Right. Because one of the things that we have tended
- 32:35S7: to do in the past in the Christian community is
- 32:37S7: to try to like, put everybody in a box, and
- 32:40S7: God doesn't do that. Like everybody is given a unique
- 32:45S7: set of skills and interests and passions and ways that
- 32:48S7: he's called you. I'll give you a quick example of this.
- 32:51S7: So we were testing out this Bible study to find
- 32:55S7: balanced Bible study. And this one woman had been coming
- 32:58S7: every Tuesday night for the test Bible study. Bringing like
- 33:03S7: shortbread brownies and like all the all the sugar that
- 33:06S7: you need to to make everybody happy. And in our
- 33:10S7: discussion about how we can use our gifts for the kingdom,
- 33:16S7: she's like, but I don't have any gifts that can
- 33:19S7: be used for the kingdom. And the woman next to
- 33:21S7: her was like, Annabelle brownies, you know? And she's like, yeah, right.
- 33:26S7: I have the spiritual gift of food. And the woman
- 33:29S7: next to her was like, no, you have the gift
- 33:32S7: of hospitality.
- 33:33S3: Yeah. And helps.
- 33:34S2: In mercy.
- 33:36S3: Yeah.
- 33:36S7: Yes, exactly. And apparently the pastor of that church just
- 33:40S7: a couple days before had been talking about the fact
- 33:43S7: that they had all these new people coming into the
- 33:46S7: church from some new businesses that were starting nearby, and
- 33:49S7: they desperately needed people who could invite them over to
- 33:52S7: their home after church for lunch and just get to
- 33:55S7: know them and pull them into fellowship. And this girl
- 34:00S7: just lit up and she's like, oh my gosh, I
- 34:02S7: can do that. Like that, I, I would love doing that.
- 34:05S7: The person next to her said, oh my gosh, that
- 34:09S7: sounds exhausting because that wasn't her gift. Like we don't
- 34:14S7: get out of being, having fellowship with others. But that
- 34:18S7: was the way this one girl was designed. She's going
- 34:21S7: to step into that and be a part of God's
- 34:24S7: kingdom and thrive.
- 34:26S2: You know, Shanti, we're getting breaking free from something because
- 34:29S2: back in the day, I'm talking 30, 40 years ago,
- 34:33S2: there was a call on the Christian life to strengthen
- 34:36S2: where you're weak and all that. And now there's been
- 34:39S2: a shift in the last 20 years where it's like,
- 34:41S2: thrive when you're strong. Don't make that an excuse to
- 34:44S2: be weak, like to have bad character or something. Why
- 34:47S2: is that? You've got research. You must about people that
- 34:51S2: step into their gifting, into their They're calling, how that
- 34:56S2: can help you thrive. There's got to be data points
- 34:59S2: on that.
- 34:59S7: Oh, so much data. Like anyone who's listening to this,
- 35:03S7: who has any kind of a leadership background or business background,
- 35:08S7: anyone who's done strengthsfinder, like all of those things are
- 35:12S7: basically they're so data supported. And there's one other, there's
- 35:16S7: one sort of key reason for this that we can't
- 35:19S7: get away from, which is that God has actually designed
- 35:23S7: each of us very specifically. Ephesians 210. We are God's workmanship.
- 35:30S7: You get the you get the impression of like a craftsman,
- 35:34S7: like a master craftsman, like working on something in his workshop.
- 35:37S7: We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do
- 35:43S7: specific good works that he prepared in advance for us
- 35:48S7: to do. And so our brains literally, when you do
- 35:52S7: fMRI scans of brains and you see how the different
- 35:56S7: brains function. You'll see, oh my goodness. Like this person
- 35:59S7: is actually designed to be able to like process verbally, really,
- 36:04S7: really well, whereas this person is designed to really go
- 36:08S7: deep and kind of think about something before they process verbally. Well, gee,
- 36:13S7: guess what? Like maybe somebody is designed to, I don't know,
- 36:17S7: be a public speaker or be a teacher or be
- 36:20S7: something that requires a lot of verbal processing and the
- 36:23S7: other person is designed to be, I don't know, maybe
- 36:26S7: an analyst, maybe something that requires that deep internal processing.
- 36:30S7: We're designed differently. And when we step into that and go, okay, God,
- 36:35S7: thank you for that. What does that look like? Guess what?
- 36:38S7: The yoke feels easy and the burden feels light.
- 36:42S2: Shanti Feldhuhn, my guest right now, and I'm going to
- 36:44S2: give you a link here. In fact, I'm going to
- 36:46S2: give it right now. Text the word thrive to (800) 555-7898.
- 36:51S2: Thrive to 805 557898. We're going to have links there
- 36:56S2: for everything you need, including her website, which is super
- 36:59S2: robust and phenomenal. So you want to check that out. Shanti.
- 37:04S2: How does this work for you? I mean, here's what's funny.
- 37:07S2: You're being you're a data analyst. You look at this
- 37:11S2: kind of stuff constantly. There must have been a time
- 37:13S2: when you thought, ooh, I need to be different than that.
- 37:17S2: When did you embrace it fully?
- 37:20S3: I'm not saying it's bad, but I'm saying.
- 37:23S7: No, I totally I totally, totally get it. I'll give
- 37:28S7: you a I'm going to give you an example that's
- 37:30S7: going to lose me all my credibility with your listeners.
- 37:33S3: Love it.
- 37:34S7: So, okay. I have recently gotten a PhD in counseling
- 37:38S7: and psychological studies.
- 37:40S3: Oh, I didn't know that. Okay.
- 37:42S7: So yeah, so, so this is something long story. I
- 37:44S7: never wanted a PhD. It's. Anyway, long story, but it
- 37:48S7: was one of those things where God was like, yeah,
- 37:50S7: you're going to do this. It's like, okay, but I
- 37:54S7: needed to do the version of getting the research oriented
- 37:58S7: and leadership oriented PhD in counseling and psychological studies, not
- 38:03S7: the licensed clinician version, because God has not designed me
- 38:08S7: that way.
- 38:09S3: Would drive you crazy.
- 38:11S2: The little bit I know you, you'd be like, ah.
- 38:14S7: For years, for years. As for women only took off
- 38:18S7: and then for men only took off. And I started
- 38:20S7: doing all these, you know, women's events. And Jeff and
- 38:22S7: I do marriage conferences and like people would come up
- 38:25S7: to us. Oh my gosh, here's this thing that's happening.
- 38:28S7: What should we do? We need some counsel. And I'm like,
- 38:31S7: for years, I felt like there was something wrong with
- 38:34S7: me that I couldn't be a counselor. And finally I realized,
- 38:38S7: wait a minute, that's not how God has wired me.
- 38:41S7: And so I instead would be like, look, I, I
- 38:44S7: wish I could answer that question. I would have to
- 38:46S7: do a two year research study and get back to you. But,
- 38:49S7: but like, here are some principles that might matter. And
- 38:53S7: then here's a counselor you can go talk to if
- 38:56S7: you need to. And to be like, okay, with the
- 38:59S7: fact that this is how God has wired me.
- 39:02S2: And that's freedom right there. Boom. Crew, get a link
- 39:05S2: text thrive to 800 555, 78, 98. That's some hope.
- 39:10S2: Check it out. Thrive to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 39:16S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
- 39:19S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 39:23S2: This is a no condemnation zone, but I got a
- 39:26S2: pop up question for you. We're kicking off this week,
- 39:28S2: the whole week with time redemption, the need to redeem
- 39:32S2: time because the days are evil, idolatry, covetousness, sexual immorality.
- 39:37S2: Paul says all of them are the outflow of unredeemed time,
- 39:41S2: every one of them and more. So I got a
- 39:44S2: pop up question for you again. Condemnation free zone. No
- 39:49S2: condemnation here.
- 39:51S3: Not a lot, but.
- 39:52S2: A lot of conviction. So I want to ask you
- 39:54S2: a quick pop up question. Get your phones ready. Here's
- 39:56S2: the question. How do you waste time the most? What
- 40:01S2: do you doing when you're wasting time the most? What's
- 40:06S2: going on when you're wasting time? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
- 40:12S2: Don't need paragraphs. Just a sentence or a word. 805. 5578, 98.
- 40:17S2: Polling you the boom crew. The honest, the mighty, the valiant,
- 40:22S2: the warriors, the warrior. ET's that are here to get
- 40:24S2: victory in every area of our life.
- 40:27S3: Amen.
- 40:27S2: Amen. All right, young Thunder, uh, you and I go first.
- 40:31S2: I've been going first all day. Yeah, well, I'll go
- 40:33S2: first again. Um, I used to be news and sports
- 40:37S2: to a major fault. Watching sports. Too many sports. And
- 40:43S2: my bride spoke to me many, many years ago. God
- 40:46S2: gave me not only victory over that. Now the older
- 40:49S2: I get, the more I realize, good grief, sports seasons
- 40:53S2: come and go. Get over it.
- 40:54S3: Already.
- 40:55S2: Yeah, it's.
- 40:56S3: A game.
- 40:56S5: So.
- 40:56S3: Fast.
- 40:57S2: I mean, have fun with it, but don't get all
- 40:59S2: involved in it to the point where your joy is
- 41:02S2: at risk.
- 41:02S5: Oh yeah. I mean, 100%. I was talking with my
- 41:04S5: wife about it because the Chicago Bears, my favorite team, uh,
- 41:08S5: have games on Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. And I said,
- 41:12S5: my goal this year is to not let the Chicago
- 41:15S5: Bears ruin my, my mood on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
- 41:22S2: You've already looked at the.
- 41:23S3: Schedule, already.
- 41:24S5: Looked at the schedule.
- 41:24S3: I know where they're going.
- 41:25S2: They're playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
- 41:27S3: Day.
- 41:28S5: And Christmas Day. And so I you know what?
- 41:31S2: You're trying to get some crazy soundbites from Ben Johnson.
- 41:33S2: That's what they're.
- 41:34S3: Trying to do.
- 41:35S5: Definitely, definitely. But they they dictate my mood a little
- 41:39S5: too often sometimes. And I'm trying to let that not
- 41:41S5: be a thing so much this year.
- 41:43S2: Oh my goodness.
- 41:44S5: Yeah.
- 41:46S2: Okay, so mine is news, uh, international news, even Middle
- 41:51S2: East news. You can, you can get too much. You
- 41:53S2: can spend too much time on news feeds. I mean,
- 41:56S2: you can justify it. Trust me. Get in line behind me.
- 41:58S2: If you want to go for the Justification Junction. I'm
- 42:01S2: good at it. I can explain away. I can explain
- 42:05S2: away overexposure to news better than anyone. I can explain it.
- 42:11S5: I mean, there is a level it's hard because there
- 42:15S5: is some level of importance to being node up on
- 42:17S5: what's going on around the world.
- 42:19S2: Sure. But then there's a point of absurdity. Sure. Where
- 42:22S2: it's like, oh, come on. Because when you start wanting
- 42:24S2: to know what pundits are saying and what this knucklehead saying,
- 42:28S2: and the dialogue in your head is, these people are idiots.
- 42:31S5: Yeah.
- 42:32S2: Then you've gone too far. All right. So asking you
- 42:35S2: a question. What are you wasting your time on set? Simple.
- 42:40S2: What are you wasting your time on? 805, five, five, 78, 98.
- 42:44S2: I'll go through them here in just a moment. Come on.
- 42:46S2: What are you wasting your time on? Let's go. 805. Five. Five. 78, 98.
- 42:51S2: They're pouring in here. Uh, young thunder.
- 42:53S5: I think for me, I've got two different ways that
- 42:55S5: I can do it. My first one is the large
- 42:58S5: blocks of time that I can waste. And that's with
- 43:00S5: video games. I, I can definitely sit there and just
- 43:03S5: play video games. If I, if I had no control
- 43:07S5: over it, I could sit there literally all day. I could,
- 43:10S5: I don't, but I could, uh, and I can waste
- 43:13S5: large blocks of time doing that. And the other one
- 43:16S5: is more subtle because I don't have like, you know,
- 43:19S5: all of the different streaming services to get all the
- 43:21S5: baseball games and football games that I want to get,
- 43:24S5: but I can sit there on my phone checking updates
- 43:27S5: for it while I'm doing something else.
- 43:29S2: Maybe you ever do you ever hit refresh over and
- 43:32S2: over again?
- 43:32S5: Yes. And it's really I mean, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.
- 43:36S2: So embarrassing.
- 43:37S5: Nothing has changed in the three seconds. I just checked
- 43:39S5: it like I just checked it three seconds ago. And
- 43:42S5: why would anything be different? But even.
- 43:44S2: 30s.
- 43:45S5: Even at 30s.
- 43:46S2: But I mean, what if you're the hundredth person in
- 43:48S2: the United States to find out and not the fifth?
- 43:52S5: I mean.
- 43:52S2: Is that okay?
- 43:53S5: Everything might fall apart if I'm if I'm three people
- 43:56S5: down the list. But no, you can. It's the subtle
- 43:59S5: ways you waste time to while you're supposed to be
- 44:01S5: doing other things.
- 44:02S2: Oh, what's this thing, man? I see more than one
- 44:04S2: of it playing mahjong. Mahjong?
- 44:07S5: Mahjong?
- 44:07S2: Mahjong.
- 44:08S5: What is that? I think it's a card game. Mahjong?
- 44:11S2: Is it an online card game? Uh, MAYMAH. Oh, it's a.
- 44:16S5: It's like a tile game, so. Oh, no.
- 44:19S2: Yeah, it's one of those.
- 44:20S5: It's, uh. And yes, you can play it online.
- 44:23S2: Okay. There's the problem right there. Too long on mahjong.
- 44:29S2: That's what we're talking about. Uh, waste time on imaginary
- 44:34S2: arguments with the ill informed. Oh. That's hilarious.
- 44:37S5: That happens.
- 44:38S2: Uh. Scrolling for life hacks and cooking videos. Part hobby,
- 44:42S2: part part productivity in quotes. Television, social media for sure.
- 44:48S2: Naps not knows. Those are okay. Yeah, I'm telling you,
- 44:52S2: you can. Naps. Nap to the glory of God. Can
- 44:54S2: you nap too much?
- 44:57S5: Yeah.
- 44:58S2: Yeah. Daydreaming. Okay. Reddit. Mortgage rate forums. Okay, now we're
- 45:06S2: getting honest.
- 45:07S5: That's real.
- 45:08S2: At one point was a Substack. Uh, it was Substack
- 45:11S2: for news myself. Yeah. Substack is a bottomless pit. Uh,
- 45:16S2: can sit on the edge of the bed for 20
- 45:18S2: minutes or so, thinking about all the things that I
- 45:20S2: need to do.
- 45:22S5: That's so real.
- 45:24S2: Oh, I love the boom crew. You guys are awesome.
- 45:26S2: Procrastinating to avoid unpleasant tasks. Very real.
- 45:30S5: Absolutely.
- 45:31S2: Watching too much TV drama series. YouTube shorts going down,
- 45:35S2: conspiracy rabbit holes. These are all different people here, guys.
- 45:38S2: This is not one guy saying this or else you'd
- 45:41S2: have a real you got to get him on a stretcher,
- 45:43S2: get him on a gurney.
- 45:44S5: I don't think he'd be doing anything else.
- 45:46S2: All right. We got this major phenomenon coming again to
- 45:50S2: long on May Zhong oh again and again. They're in here.
- 45:54S5: Like I'm surprised I haven't heard mahjong in forever.
- 45:57S2: Is it mahjong. Mahjong. Mahjong too long on mahjong. Uh.
- 46:03S2: Now I'm sounding like it's French and it's not French.
- 46:06S2: It's not French. Uh. I watched time with no brain
- 46:11S2: TV for hours.
- 46:13S5: I waste time, I waste.
- 46:15S2: Time, that's what I'm trying to say. It's too much time.
- 46:17S2: They can't form a sentence now. See what it does
- 46:20S2: to you.
- 46:20S5: Just cooking your brain.
- 46:26S2: It's cooking your brain. When you can't type a text.
- 46:30S2: You've been on mahjong too long. Oh my goodness.
- 46:37S5: Wow.
- 46:38S2: It's Carlin dude.
- 46:39S5: It's Carlin.
- 46:40S2: Dude. Uh, comparison managing stuff. I don't even need Zillow. Zillow? Yeah.
- 46:45S2: That's good. Finding out how much your neighbor paid for
- 46:48S2: his home.
- 46:49S5: Yes.
- 46:53S2: And there is no end to how much time you
- 46:56S2: can spend. And now here's a real bummer. We're giving
- 46:59S2: ideas to people.
- 47:01S5: Of other things. What do you do?
- 47:03S2: What is this? Mahjong.
- 47:05S5: Maybe I should try that. Yeah.
- 47:07S2: Oh, you can find out your neighbor's value of his home.
- 47:12S5: I've done that on Zillow, where I go. You have
- 47:14S5: not on my neighbor's home. That's awful. But I go,
- 47:17S5: and I go. Ah, you know, my childhood home. I
- 47:19S5: wonder what that costs.
- 47:21S2: Oh, no, that's a great question.
- 47:23S5: I mean.
- 47:23S2: Matter of fact, I need to find out what the
- 47:25S2: most recent acquisition price of my childhood home was.
- 47:29S5: Well, that's fair too, because you had a hand in
- 47:31S5: building the home that you.
- 47:33S2: I'm talking about the early.
- 47:34S5: One, the early.
- 47:34S2: I was three years old, hammering holes in the subfloor
- 47:37S2: by repeatedly beating on one nail and missing it. So
- 47:41S2: my dad told me.
- 47:43S5: That's awesome.
- 47:45S2: Uh, here's a tough one. Imagining scenarios in my head
- 47:48S2: that never end up happening.
- 47:50S5: Oh. Yep. Absolutely. That can freeze us up into wasting time.
- 47:54S2: Okay, take the time challenge. We're going to be breaking
- 47:57S2: it down all week long. How do they get it?
- 47:59S5: Just text the word time to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 48:03S5: Real easy time to 805, five, five, 78, 98 the
- 48:07S5: blog and a downloadable resource connected to it right there.
- 48:10S2: Resources, guests all week long. We're getting to one here.
- 48:14S2: Don't be too long on mahjong. Don't do it, man.
- 48:19S2: Get off of there and Candy crush as well.
- 48:22S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
- 48:26S1: Super dye is in the crew. It's curl and crew
- 48:30S1: on Moody Radio.
- 48:32S2: So this whole week we're tackling redeeming time and time redemption.
- 48:36S2: Some of you might think, yeah, man, I'm not good
- 48:40S2: at that. I've got a special guest. Tim Challies is
- 48:43S2: with me right now. Tim. I think most people think
- 48:47S2: I'm not good at redeeming time. And that would be accurate,
- 48:50S2: wouldn't it, my friend?
- 48:52S8: Yeah, I think it would be. That's a struggle for
- 48:54S8: all of us. And it doesn't matter how far back
- 48:56S8: you go in time. People have always struggled with that.
- 48:59S2: You know, I've got a thought and I was going
- 49:01S2: to throw this in later on, but I'm going to
- 49:02S2: hit it right now. I have found more guys who
- 49:06S2: I've been mentoring over the years that their issue isn't
- 49:10S2: the nefarious stuff like pornography. I mean, that's where it's
- 49:13S2: manifesting or just time wasting. It's actually unseized time. It's
- 49:19S2: something a guy named Gordon MacDonald said many, many years ago,
- 49:22S2: probably five decades now. And it's so true. Unseized time
- 49:25S2: flows to our weaknesses This unredeemed time thing really is
- 49:30S2: Satan's kitchen, isn't it, Tim?
- 49:32S8: It certainly is. I think most of us look at
- 49:35S8: it life at all the opportunities we could do. We
- 49:37S8: know that in the abstract. There's enough time on this
- 49:39S8: earth for us to accomplish what God means for us
- 49:42S8: to do. But in order to accomplish what God means
- 49:44S8: for us to do, we got to take hold of
- 49:46S8: the time, don't we? And go out and chase those
- 49:48S8: things that are significant or most meaningful for us?
- 49:52S2: Yeah. Tim Challies with me right now. He's pastor, speaker, blogger, author.
- 49:56S2: I don't know if you follow him on social media guys,
- 49:59S2: but he's all over out there and God's using him.
- 50:01S2: He serves as an elder at Grace Fellowship Church in Toronto, Canada,
- 50:05S2: and he's got a work out called Do More Better
- 50:07S2: A Practical Guide to Productivity. All right. We don't sell
- 50:11S2: books around here. We hit topics. And so we're going
- 50:13S2: to go after that and we'll give a link at
- 50:15S2: the end of this interview boom crew so that you
- 50:17S2: can get a look at this book for sure. But
- 50:19S2: what caused you to do this? Why this?
- 50:23S8: When I was writing this book, I was a bi
- 50:26S8: vocational pastor. I was full time in ministry, full time
- 50:29S8: in writing, and just overwhelmed by all the responsibilities upon me.
- 50:33S8: Three young children in the house, etc. and I realized
- 50:36S8: that I was trying to find quick fixes, just something
- 50:39S8: that could paper over my problems. What I realized was
- 50:42S8: I had to go digging deep into God's Word to
- 50:45S8: see what does it mean to be productive? What does
- 50:47S8: it mean to really redeem the time? And so, in
- 50:50S8: place of quick fixes, I developed what became a book
- 50:53S8: called Do More Better.
- 50:54S2: Yeah, I love this do more, Better, A Practical Guide
- 50:57S2: to Productivity. And again, we're going to give you a
- 50:58S2: link here in a little bit. All right. Before we
- 51:00S2: go to break, I want to affirm something for you here.
- 51:04S2: I did a question on air. Oh goodness sakes. It's
- 51:07S2: been three, four years, probably five years ago now. And
- 51:10S2: I said, if there's one thing that's holding up everything
- 51:15S2: in your life, what would it be if one missing
- 51:17S2: the mark thing in your life? And I gave just
- 51:19S2: a huge list of options by far and away, the
- 51:23S2: biggest thing was I feel like a sluggard. I feel
- 51:27S2: like a loser. I've got unredeemed time. I waste time,
- 51:31S2: and then Satan beats me up with the very temptation.
- 51:34S2: I've succumbed to. This is a real thing, isn't it, Tim?
- 51:38S8: It most certainly is. And I think so many of
- 51:40S8: us understand that we're grappling with this issue, but few
- 51:43S8: of us are willing to take the kind of radical
- 51:45S8: action that Jesus calls us to. If your hand is
- 51:48S8: causing you to sin, lop it off, right? If your
- 51:50S8: eye is causing you to sin, gouge it out. Well,
- 51:53S8: if your phone is causing you to sin or TikTok
- 51:55S8: is causing you to sin, or YouTube is causing to
- 51:58S8: your sin, you to sin, you got to get rid
- 52:00S8: of these things. You got to take action against them.
- 52:02S8: Yet few are willing to do that.
- 52:04S2: Can't cover the whole thing. But coming up here in
- 52:05S2: a moment. Tim Challies with me right now. Do more better.
- 52:09S2: A Practical Guide to Productivity. We're going to cherry pick
- 52:11S2: a couple of high points straight ahead.
- 52:13S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
- 52:17S2: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
- 52:21S2: him to move in ways that we never could.
- 52:23S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 52:25S2: With me right now, Tim Challies. He is a pastor, speaker, blogger.
- 52:30S2: If you're social media at all, you've seen this guy
- 52:33S2: and a lot of his work, it's dynamite content and
- 52:36S2: he's got a workout called Do More Better A Practical
- 52:38S2: Guide to Productivity. Our whole week this week is redeeming time,
- 52:42S2: and I guess the encouraging word I studied this many
- 52:46S2: years ago and I'm like, oh, Moses said to God,
- 52:50S2: teach us to number our days, that we may gain
- 52:53S2: a heart of wisdom. And the aha moment for me,
- 52:55S2: Tim was wise. People don't redeem time. When you redeem time,
- 52:59S2: you become wise, at least according to Moses's prayer. That's
- 53:03S2: pretty cool, isn't it, Tim?
- 53:04S8: It is absolutely. And by numbering our days, I think
- 53:07S8: one of the things, the benefits that come to us
- 53:09S8: is we understand both how much time we have and
- 53:12S8: how little that sort of paradox that is so prominent
- 53:16S8: in Scripture and Ecclesiastes. And when we understand God has
- 53:20S8: given us his life means for us to use it well.
- 53:22S8: And yet time is elapsing. That puts the onus on
- 53:25S8: us to redeem that time. Not so we can feel
- 53:28S8: good about ourselves, but so that we can honor God
- 53:31S8: and serve his people the very thing he's called us
- 53:33S8: to do.
- 53:33S2: Love it again. Tim Kelly is my guest right now.
- 53:37S2: All right, let's get into this because the stats are
- 53:40S2: I'm just doing this from memory. 4 to 5 hours
- 53:44S2: a day in utilizing social media, small screens, not even
- 53:49S2: including TV, which I think is 1.5 to another two
- 53:53S2: hours on average. Adults using these kind of devices, some
- 53:57S2: for the good, most wasting time. I've pastor. So I
- 54:02S2: have people tell me this all the time. Tim, we
- 54:05S2: can't wake up and say tomorrow morning I'm going to
- 54:08S2: have total victory over productivity. We fall on our face,
- 54:11S2: don't we?
- 54:12S8: We certainly do. And I think that's because not many
- 54:15S8: of us go all the way back into Scripture to
- 54:18S8: to face the big questions. What has God put us
- 54:21S8: here for? What does God expect from me? What does
- 54:23S8: God want me to use my life to accomplish? It's
- 54:26S8: only when we go back and do that hard work
- 54:28S8: and really build a firm foundation, that I think we
- 54:31S8: can overcome the hurdles that stand between us and the
- 54:35S8: life we know that God is calling us to lead.
- 54:37S2: Give us one theological point that could cause a paradigm
- 54:41S2: shift for a listener right now.
- 54:44S8: I think just the fact that we exist in this
- 54:46S8: world to glorify God by doing good for other people, right?
- 54:51S8: That's your standard catechism answer. What do we exist for?
- 54:53S8: To glorify God by doing good to others. And what
- 54:56S8: does productivity then? Well, that's exactly what productivity is. It's
- 54:59S8: not about giving myself a sense of accomplishment. It's not
- 55:02S8: about just making myself feel good or enriching myself. It's
- 55:06S8: about doing the very thing God has called me to do.
- 55:08S8: Honoring him by serving the people that God brings into
- 55:12S8: my life. That's a very fulfilling life, but it's a
- 55:14S8: very hard one to attain.
- 55:16S2: I love that, and I love that you have a
- 55:18S2: book that's given us this Godward vision, a theological grid
- 55:21S2: to think through, and then you get really practical. And
- 55:24S2: I don't want to give away the whole book, but
- 55:26S2: these three essential tools for getting things done. Everybody's dying
- 55:31S2: to know what in the world are those tools? And
- 55:33S2: then I know your book's going to tell us how
- 55:34S2: to use them.
- 55:36S8: One of the things I try to do in the
- 55:37S8: book is, first I lay down the principles, and then
- 55:41S8: I try to get extremely practical, just so people can
- 55:44S8: follow along and start to build an actual system. And
- 55:47S8: a good system of productivity depends upon using tools such
- 55:51S8: as a calendar or a tool that holds your information,
- 55:55S8: or a tool that helps you organize your to do list.
- 55:58S8: Those three tools. If you can wrap your mind around
- 56:00S8: them and use them well, can vastly enhance what you do.
- 56:04S8: It can guide you toward the things you do want
- 56:06S8: to do, and guide you away from the things you
- 56:08S8: determine you don't want to do.
- 56:10S2: I missed one calendar to do list and what was
- 56:12S2: the third information?
- 56:14S8: So how to store the information that's important to you.
- 56:16S8: In the old days, this was a filing cabinet. Today,
- 56:19S8: that might be something on your computer.
- 56:21S2: That brings up an interesting point, because a lot of
- 56:23S2: people that you're talking with, they had great filing systems
- 56:27S2: set up and then the laptop came along. What do
- 56:31S2: you do when you find yourself in a technological ditch
- 56:34S2: right now and you feel like, good grief, Tim and Carl,
- 56:37S2: I sure would like to get victory over this, but
- 56:39S2: I don't I don't even know how to organize folders,
- 56:41S2: let alone make one.
- 56:42S8: One of the interesting dynamics in culture right now is
- 56:46S8: that some people have had to emigrate into this digital world.
- 56:49S8: You and I come from a generation where we knew
- 56:51S8: what a filing cabinet was, and the calendar hung on
- 56:54S8: the wall, and we got a new one every year, etc.
- 56:56S8: the younger generation, they're digital natives. They've never seen a
- 56:59S8: calendar hanging on a wall. They've never used a filing cabinet,
- 57:02S8: and probably never held a sheet of paper. For all
- 57:05S8: I know, some of us have had to immigrate into
- 57:07S8: this world, and it's hard to learn how to do
- 57:09S8: things in a new way as the world goes digital.
- 57:11S8: But in the book, in the program, I lay out
- 57:13S8: how to use those tools and how to learn to
- 57:15S8: use them well.
- 57:16S2: This is wonderful. What's the surprise that you learned of?
- 57:21S2: I'm in the middle of writing a book right now,
- 57:23S2: and the cool thing is, as much as you think
- 57:26S2: you've got it figured out when you head into your premise,
- 57:29S2: if you're really opening up the Word of God, you
- 57:31S2: have fresh discoveries. Did you have one when you were
- 57:33S2: writing this?
- 57:34S8: Yeah, I had a few. Certainly just the importance of
- 57:37S8: understanding what productivity is. I'm going to keep coming back
- 57:40S8: to that because again, we're so prone to go to
- 57:43S8: the quick fix. We just want to jump on Google
- 57:45S8: and find a few quick tips that can change everything.
- 57:49S8: But that's so rarely the way life works, especially when
- 57:52S8: we have bad habits and deeply ingrained bad habits. And
- 57:56S8: so going to the Word of God and really studying
- 57:58S8: how does God want me to live and why I'm not?
- 58:00S8: Why am I not already living that way? Finding that
- 58:03S8: that really unlocks everything else. And we find our purpose
- 58:07S8: for life in this world. Find our purpose for productivity.
- 58:10S8: The doors start to swing wide open. And now, finally,
- 58:13S8: we can live the life we know that God means
- 58:15S8: for us to live.
- 58:16S2: Love it. You know, there's an old timer, David Allen,
- 58:19S2: who wrote a book called, I think it's titled Eat
- 58:21S2: That Frog. And his whole premise was, we often get
- 58:25S2: stuck from doing anything. We can't do anything because this
- 58:28S2: big frog that seems so huge is just looming. This
- 58:34S2: whole book was about getting that thing that seems impossible
- 58:38S2: and impassable dealt with. What do you say about that?
- 58:41S2: Because I've found that to be true. Oftentimes you can't
- 58:45S2: get anything done because you got one or 2 or
- 58:47S2: 3 things just staring you in your soul, almost mocking you.
- 58:51S2: What do you say, Tim?
- 58:53S8: Yeah, I would say usually those things aren't nearly as
- 58:55S8: bad as you think they will be. So many people
- 58:58S8: procrastinate filing their taxes because they think it's going to
- 59:01S8: take months or years, and then they laugh at themselves
- 59:04S8: when it takes half an hour. Most of those things
- 59:06S8: that loom in the distance are that, and even if
- 59:09S8: they are that big, it helps to break them down
- 59:11S8: into smaller steps. If your to do item is write
- 59:14S8: a book, that's a very daunting task. But if your
- 59:17S8: todo item is to start the introduction to the book,
- 59:20S8: it's much more attainable. So taking those big, big things,
- 59:23S8: breaking them down into much smaller tasks gives us the
- 59:26S8: momentum we need to get underway.
- 59:29S2: Boom crew. I got to tell you, you got a
- 59:31S2: little taste of something amazing here. Do more better. A
- 59:34S2: Practical Guide to Productivity. And because we heard from tens
- 59:38S2: of thousands of you that your issue was time management
- 59:42S2: redeeming time. This is a tool that you got to grab.
- 59:46S2: And I know you're saying give me the key word.
- 59:49S2: So here it is. Text the word better right now. Better.
- 59:52S2: We got a link not only to his website but
- 59:55S2: directly to the book as well. Text the word better
- 59:58S2: to 805 557898, better to 805 557898.