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Iran downs U.S. Apache helicopter, crew rescued by unmanned "sea drone" · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: around for hour at three. Christian bros Is coming on.
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  Speaker 1: He is the president chief strategy officer of Anderill and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the revolution and armament. But
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  Speaker 1: how we use those arms is something for me to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with my first guest, Matt Continetti. Matt as
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  Speaker 1: the columnist at the Wall Street Journal. He's a senior
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  Speaker 1: fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. And Matt, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you've seen this story or maybe you haven't, that we
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  Speaker 1: lost an Apache helicopter today down by the Iranians. They
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  Speaker 1: fired on an Apache and they were picked up by
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  Speaker 1: an automated drone. How remarkable is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: Hugh, I heard that detailed just before joining the show
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  Speaker 3: and It just is a fascinating illustration of the way
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  Speaker 3: in which robotics, automated systems, artificial intelligence, all of these
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  Speaker 3: high end technologies are being integrated into our war machine.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible. I'm glad they were rescued.
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Now Christian bros Who's coming on, I mentioned an hour
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  Speaker 1: number three today. I listened to him first on the
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  Speaker 1: School of War with Aaron McLain, And we are in
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  Speaker 1: a revolutionary period of time on the defense industry. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think we can move fast enough to stockpile the
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  Speaker 1: munitions we need for any kind of war that might
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  Speaker 1: come along? Mac kay.
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  Speaker 2: Hewitt's a question of political will.
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  Speaker 3: It always is, can we summon the political will to
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  Speaker 3: get the capacity required to maintain and American deterrence in
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  Speaker 3: this very dangerous world? And you know, we have this
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  Speaker 3: one and a half trillion dollar defense request by President
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  Speaker 3: Trump that's sitting before Congress, the largest defense expenditure request ever,
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  Speaker 3: and it seems like there's some resistance, especially among Congressional Democrats,
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 2: But I think Republicans need to make the case. They
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  Speaker 2: need to make the case that.
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  Speaker 3: Look, everyone complaining about munitions and munition shortages, including the Democrats,
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  Speaker 3: Where were they when we had the chance to truly
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  Speaker 3: fund the Department of Defense or Department of War? Where
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  Speaker 3: were they in the twenty tens when Obama was drastically
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  Speaker 3: cutting our military? Where were they during the Biden administration
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  Speaker 3: when Obiden, when Biden allowed inflation to cut the value
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  Speaker 3: of the defense budget. So I would have the question
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  Speaker 3: put to the Democrats, if you're serious about confronting our
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  Speaker 3: munition shortages, if you're serious about protecting America, you have
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  Speaker 3: to support the president's defense request for a one point
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  Speaker 3: five trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that request, Matt. President Trump has
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  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a six weeks war.
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  Speaker 1: It's not one hundred days. It's going to go another
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  Speaker 1: one hundred days. I thought it would be over in June.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be over in June. Think he's
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  Speaker 1: communicating about this war. And what do you hope he
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  Speaker 1: says in the days and weeks ahead about this war.
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  Speaker 3: Well, just before we began the program, Hugh, he said
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  Speaker 3: that because of the down depache, America would be forced
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  Speaker 3: to respond. And I hope that the way in which
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  Speaker 3: the United States responds is not just another love tap.
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  Speaker 3: As President Trump calls it, you know, taking out an
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  Speaker 3: Iranian helicopter if any remain, or hitting a random oil depot.
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  Speaker 3: I think we need to show the Iranians that we're
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  Speaker 3: serious about re establishing de terrence, and then they cannot
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  Speaker 3: continue to kind of drag along. These negotiations link to
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  Speaker 3: unrelated issues, at least to the American perspective, which is
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  Speaker 3: Israel's war against Hesbula and the opening of the Strait
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  Speaker 3: of Hormuz. We need to prove to the Iranians that
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  Speaker 3: we're serious, that we're not going to allow this phony
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  Speaker 3: seeds fire to continue in perpetuity. That's what I hope
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  Speaker 3: the President communicates. At the same time, I'm aware he
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  Speaker 3: has a different attack. He is definitely interested in maintaining
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  Speaker 3: these negotiations for as long as possible in order to
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  Speaker 3: calm markets and to I believe, assuage to the Gulf
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  Speaker 3: allies who are concerned that if the war resumed, they
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  Speaker 3: would be the first targets, in particular their electricity generation
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  Speaker 3: and their desalinization plants.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had a clearance since nineteen eighty nine, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I do read that maybe we've
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  Speaker 1: used too much of our munition stockpile. Maybe we have
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  Speaker 1: a critical gap in tomawks or a different kind of
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  Speaker 1: weapons system. What do you hear about that? Are we
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  Speaker 1: out of weapons?
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  Speaker 2: We're not out of weapons, Hugh. What my understanding is
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  Speaker 2: that we're we are.
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  Speaker 3: Running low in some key weapons munition stocks, including attackers
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  Speaker 3: for example, including Patriot missiles, the high tech air defenses,
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  Speaker 3: the technology, the weapons platforms that are very advanced. These
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  Speaker 3: are the places where we're a little bit low as
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  Speaker 3: a result of the lack of investment over the past
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  Speaker 3: decade and more in some cases. So that's where I
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  Speaker 3: think the concern is. In terms of weaponry. We still
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  Speaker 3: have weapons, for sure, especially kind of the.
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  Speaker 2: Low grade bombs, the dumb bombs so called.
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  Speaker 3: But right now it's not so much the capacity that's
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  Speaker 3: the issue, but it's the lack of will, the lack
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  Speaker 3: of will to resume the war at the level we
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  Speaker 3: were at before the April eighth seasefire, which is now
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  Speaker 3: you know, this phony ceasefire has run longer than actual
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  Speaker 3: Operation Epic Fury, And so when we're.
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  Speaker 2: Saying we're saying it we're at a war, well not really.
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  Speaker 2: You know, only one side is firing and that's Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Now my friends with the Pentagon laugh whenever civilians start
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  Speaker 1: talking about doing this or doing that, because we don't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about the second order consequences or the third
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  Speaker 1: order consequences. But we know that the embargo is working
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  Speaker 1: and that they don't have any revenue coming in or
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  Speaker 1: only a trickle of revenue. Isn't it time? Or I
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  Speaker 1: will make my statement. I think it's time to blow
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  Speaker 1: up some of their refineries. And I understand that that
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  Speaker 1: hurts the Iranian people long term, but there's no way
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  Speaker 1: that we can help them until after this regime has
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  Speaker 1: changed involved or been defeated. And one way to make
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  Speaker 1: the message come home is with their refinery capacity. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think not continenty, Well, it.
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  Speaker 3: Would be a be a definite step on the escalation ladder,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that from the Iranian perspective, they would
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  Speaker 3: see that almost as an invitation to target the refineries
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  Speaker 3: in the Gulf, and I think that the fear of
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  Speaker 3: that retaliation is one reason we haven't gone to that level.
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  Speaker 3: My view, Hue is the real obstacle to any negotiated
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  Speaker 3: outcome is the IERGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which
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  Speaker 3: is essentially running iron the political echelon where talking to Trump,
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  Speaker 3: they don't run iron you know, it's clear. So any
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  Speaker 3: new targets, it seems to me, have to start with
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  Speaker 3: the IRGC. We if the IRGC is the problem, then
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  Speaker 3: we should do everything in our power to weaken the
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  Speaker 3: IRGC and elevate the political leadership. And so I think
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  Speaker 3: that would suggest maybe a different list of targets then that.
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  Speaker 3: And then moreover, there's still unfinished missile stocks. Now, these
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  Speaker 3: missile cities.
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  Speaker 2: Are very deep.
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  Speaker 3: They're being reinforced, but we could easily go after them
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  Speaker 3: again and show that we're still serious about pursuing the
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  Speaker 3: war aims. The war aims were to deny Iran the
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  Speaker 3: conventional missile shield to guard their nuclear program. We went
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  Speaker 3: a long way in doing that, but we still have
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  Speaker 3: more targets that could hit those missiles, and of course
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  Speaker 3: the defense industrial base that produces them. Would I would
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  Speaker 3: go there if they were asking my advice for potential targets.
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  Speaker 1: Have they extended in your view? Has the United States
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  Speaker 1: been explicit enough and extending our umbrella over our allies
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  Speaker 1: in the Gulf? In other words, if you hit the
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  Speaker 1: desalinization facility in Saudi Arabia, it's all out war again.
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  Speaker 1: If you hit the UAES, the shellization, or their nuclear facility,
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  Speaker 1: it's all out war again. Have you seen that message communicated.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and those are very high end targets. But
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  Speaker 3: just think of the Kuwait airport. We saw a recent
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  Speaker 3: attack on the Kuwait International Airport. Americans could have been
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  Speaker 3: killed in that attack. There is damage to this transportation hub,
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  Speaker 3: and the response from the United States was it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of met you. To be honest, I think Trump is
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  Speaker 3: telegraphed that if an American is killed, he's prepared to
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  Speaker 3: go back to war. As I said, this doubting of
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  Speaker 3: the helicopter seems to have provoked him into some sort
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  Speaker 3: of response.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what that is.
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  Speaker 3: But I think one problem with our approach at the
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  Speaker 3: moment is this kind of ambiguity. Trump likes ambiguity usually
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  Speaker 3: because it gives him a whole range of options. But
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  Speaker 3: right now I think we need to be very clear
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  Speaker 3: to Iran that this negotiating process cannot be allowed to
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  Speaker 3: drag out ad infinitum, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And moreover, if they had use.
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  Speaker 3: Has Bilot to attack Israel, or if they directly attack
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  Speaker 3: our golf allies America will respond and allow our allies
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  Speaker 3: respond to re establish de terrens against this world's worst
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  Speaker 3: sponsor of terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: I'm for that. Now. I'm going to switch very quickly
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  Speaker 1: to politics. It's voting day in South Carolina. In main
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  Speaker 1: I know Lindsey grahmm will be renominated. I hope Alan
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  Speaker 1: Wilson's the next governor down there. But up in Maine,
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  Speaker 1: Grand Platner is going to win. Is this a question
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  Speaker 1: of whether or not Janet Mills gets fifteen or twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the protest vote? What do you think about
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  Speaker 1: Platner in the fall? Is he a zombie candidate? Given
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  Speaker 1: all way that we know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm afraid he's not a zombie candidate. The left wing
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  Speaker 3: base of the Democratic Party has proven that they don't
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  Speaker 3: care about Grand Platner's not see associated tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: They don't care.
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  Speaker 3: About all of the horrible Reddit statements he's made. They
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  Speaker 3: don't care about these allegations of kind of sexual impropriety.
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  Speaker 2: Or even abuse.
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  Speaker 3: They don't care. They want to stop Trump. They like
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  Speaker 3: the anti zionism, the anti semitism. Really, the fact that
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  Speaker 3: now Platner's go to response when any.
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  Speaker 2: Question about his past is raised.
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  Speaker 3: Is to say that's the Jews, that's bb NED and Yahoo,
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  Speaker 3: that's APEC. That in itself is disqualifying and added to
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  Speaker 3: the list of disqualifying characteristics about Graham Plattner. But for
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  Speaker 3: the left wing of the Democratic Party, they simply don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Susan Collins will have to wage a campaign against Plattner.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a campaign she can win.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that she always underpold but she has
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  Speaker 1: known that pretty much everyone in Maine. Matt Contendy, good
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you. Follow Matt on action. Contenddy reread
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  Speaker 1: him in the Law Street Journal be on the Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: there's going Tom and Jerry podcast. Says, well, thank you, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. Stay to Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: in America. I'm you at. Byron New York is the
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  Speaker 1: Fox News contributor chief political editor at the Washington Examiner
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  Speaker 1: DC examler Byron before I turned to the political news
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  Speaker 1: of the day, what do you think the President, I
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  Speaker 1: told do in response to the shootdown of our Apache today.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, a few days ago, the President made
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  Speaker 5: what was a really funny line. He said, well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in that part of the world, he was asked, what's
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  Speaker 5: your definition of ceasefire and he said, well, in that
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  Speaker 5: part of the world, cease fire is when you're shooting
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  Speaker 5: in a more moderate manner, right, And it was kind
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  Speaker 5: of funny with with some of the minor skirmish stuff
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  Speaker 5: that we've seen. But now somebody shot down an American
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  Speaker 5: warplane a helicopter and fortunately the crew is fine. But
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  Speaker 5: you can't let that happen. So I think he's got
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  Speaker 5: to do something pretty serious.
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  Speaker 1: And by pretty serious, do you mean hitting a refinery,
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  Speaker 1: hitting I R G. C. Barracks. What's in your category
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  Speaker 1: of pretty show?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's a that's a I mean, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to do something that you know when you're
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  Speaker 5: carefully calibrating a hit and the other side interprets it, well,
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  Speaker 5: they feel like he's got to do something keep up appearances,
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  Speaker 5: but he's not really trying to hurt us. Well, he's
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  Speaker 5: going to do something where he's really trying to hurt you, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: and they'll know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And I was talking about this with Matt Continetti
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  Speaker 1: before he came on. I said, hit an oil refinery, said, well,
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  Speaker 1: then they'll hit another oil Refinerly belonging to Kuwait or
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  Speaker 1: a Saudi Arabia or Uee said, well, we ought to
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  Speaker 1: make it clear that that's just turning on the war again.
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  Speaker 1: And Matt suggested, I are GC barracks. If they're actually
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  Speaker 1: living in the barracks, fine, but I doubt anyone is.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they're living in their barracks?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I would think that in Iran, if you're
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  Speaker 5: any possible targets for the United States or Israel, you've
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  Speaker 5: found other accommodations.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've gone to ground.
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  Speaker 5: They're kind of invisible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think an oil refinery makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: And then just tell them you hit one of ours,
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  Speaker 1: We'll hit two of yours. Byron, let me turn to
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  Speaker 1: the big race today in South Carolina for governor. I'm
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  Speaker 1: an Alan Wilson fan, and in Maine, where I'm anybody
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  Speaker 1: but Grand Platner fan, I'm actually a Susan Collins fan.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Platino's going to win after this deluge
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  Speaker 1: of bad news and character issues win.
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  Speaker 5: The Democratic primary? Yes? I think you will. I mean, well,
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  Speaker 5: what's the alternative.
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  Speaker 1: That Janet Mills is on the ballot?
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  Speaker 5: They write in well that they write in Janet Mills,
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  Speaker 5: whose campaign is still suspended right now, and then she's
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  Speaker 5: come out and said, well, you know, I want to
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  Speaker 5: remind everybody I only suspended my campaign. I didn't kill it.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't end it. But it makes no sense to
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  Speaker 5: me to go vote for someone who suspended their campaign.
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  Speaker 5: And besides, I think that you've seen enough Democrats making
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  Speaker 5: excuses for Platinir that excuse me that that me to
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  Speaker 5: win the primary against not or non existent opposition.
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  Speaker 1: Byron. I know that you read herotoas every night, so
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  Speaker 1: I know you're familiar with this story. In Herotous, there's
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  Speaker 1: a story of an old king from way back when
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  Speaker 1: who would take a little bit of a poison every
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  Speaker 1: a different poison every day to build up his immunity system.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Graham Patner is now immune to attack
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  Speaker 1: because he's done everything you cannot possibly do and win.
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  Speaker 5: No, Well, you're the lawyer here. There are people who
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  Speaker 5: cannot be libeled basically because they don't have a reputation
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  Speaker 5: right the smirch, you know, and they're libel proof. I
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  Speaker 5: you could just say anything about it because they literally
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  Speaker 5: don't have a reputation to defend. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's there. I think that as a
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  Speaker 5: matter of fact, I think we've seen in the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of days, we've seen what polls they have, and
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  Speaker 5: they don't have a lot of them actually going down
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  Speaker 5: a little bit after the texting story. The public head
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  Speaker 5: or the Democrat had made their piece with the Nazi
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  Speaker 5: tattoo story, they had made their piece with the Reddit
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  Speaker 5: post story. But you have to remember on the texting story,
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  Speaker 5: the sexting story, there's so much we don't know and
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  Speaker 5: we still haven't found out, like how many women was it,
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  Speaker 5: what did the text say, what were the ages of
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  Speaker 5: the women? Were there any photographs in the text? And
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  Speaker 5: really big one, did the women want to receive these
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  Speaker 5: kind of messages from Graham Platner or where they involuntarily
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  Speaker 5: received by them? These are really big issues and they
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  Speaker 5: have not been answered, and I think bad answers on
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  Speaker 5: some of those questions would be very damaging to it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Susan Collins is Chair of Appropriations and she
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  Speaker 1: was behind in every poll six years ago. Every poll
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  Speaker 1: she was behind, she won by nine points. It's impossible
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  Speaker 1: to pull Maine because it's an old state and it's
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  Speaker 1: dispersed across a large it's only one point one million people,
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  Speaker 1: and Susan Collins knows all of them. I think has
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  Speaker 1: had dinner at everyone's house. Do you think how does
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  Speaker 1: she campaign just ignore him and let the super packs
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  Speaker 1: blast him, because I think that's what she's going to do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I mean she you know, she
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  Speaker 5: just cast what was it her ten thousand that's right,
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  Speaker 5: that one. This is kind of a cal Ripken of
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  Speaker 5: the Senate situation. Uh so you know that is that
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  Speaker 5: is her identity, which is representing Maine in a serious
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  Speaker 5: and responsible way. And I agree, let somebody else point
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  Speaker 5: out all this stuff about Grand Platner, and I do,
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  Speaker 5: I do think there's going to be more, but for
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  Speaker 5: her purposes just go forward. And you know a lot
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  Speaker 5: of times when when all this Platner news has been happened,
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  Speaker 5: in the camera cruise who tried to ambusher in the
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  Speaker 5: in the halls of the Senate office building, she said,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm going to a hearing to hear senator
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  Speaker 5: or secretary of Rubio. You know I'm going to this.
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  Speaker 5: In other words, I'm doing my job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm working.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm working right now. I'm not running an
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  Speaker 1: oyster farm. That's not really an oyster farm. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Going down to South Carolina, Trainey General Alan Wilson is
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  Speaker 1: a friend of mine. I've known him forever, a work friend.
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  Speaker 1: Like we're not go out to a restaurant, buddies, but
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  Speaker 1: I've known him forever. His dad of Joe Wilson in
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  Speaker 1: the in the Congress. Do you think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: win or do you think it's a runoff.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what you're saying is, do you think he's going
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  Speaker 5: to be the panel of event? The Senate governor has
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  Speaker 5: been endorsed by Presidentald Trump? Ye, And so now we've
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: seen one Trump defeat so far, and I don't know
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: how many. I don't know how many victories, a whole
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: lot of them. I just don't think Trump is going
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: to suffer a defeat in South Carolina.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And the reason I do is because Alan has won
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: four state wide elections and his father may be the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: best known politician. And in other words, there are some
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: basics and politics, running, batting, heading, stealing bases. Alan Wilson
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: has done them all. Finally, what when when we come
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: down to it, and you're looking at add two more years,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: when does the presidential race start Byron Your.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Well, I would always have set day after the mid terms,
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: and I think it will definitely be under way by
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: the day after the midterms. I agree, But it's kind
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: of going right now. And you know, obviously some candidates
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: on both sides are making trips to early voting states.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: They're they're doing the kind of preparation right now that
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: they need to do before the sort of officials start
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: after the midterms. But in the first week in November,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: that's when it starts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the first full Wall Street Journal profile of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a candidate, Ram Emmanuel ran two days ago, and I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: thought that was the starting gun. When you get the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: big profiles, right, that's when you know people are running.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting that he got the first one.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would be formidable for Republicans. I don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: know that he can get along in this world. Democratic
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Party Byron York can be followed at x pat Byron York.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I'm coming back with Tim Gaglin. He is
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the Vice Pugnant for External Affairs and focus on the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: family nature, love and marriage. Love and marriage go together.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Like a horse and carriage.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: This story I tell you, Welcome back, America. I'm here
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: uoy am. I opening up with the Chairman of the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: board because Tim Gaglin, who is the vice president for
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: external affairs that focus on the family, quotes Frank in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: his brand new book what really matters and what really
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: matters if you get into what really matters is marriage?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement, Tim, And welcome, Good to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: have you friend, Thank you marvelous book.
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  Speaker 6: You it's great to be with you.
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  Speaker 7: And yes, absolutely, And in fact, I think if the
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: Chairman of the Board were singing in popular music today,
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: at least fifty percent of the country would be baffled.
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: What's he singing about? What's he talking about? How do
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: these things go together? That's the whole purpose of what
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: really matters?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So being a cheerleader for the traditional married life, you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: going to run into a lot of obstacles. And as
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I was reading through, we'll cover a lot of the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: specifics such as the restoring of importance of history and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: restoring faith as we go through this conversation. But I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: really did put it down saying you want people to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: get married before they're twenty five. If Chub Gaglin could
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: make a rule, it would be, Hey, three quarters of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you kids have to be married before you're twenty five?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Am I right?
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: You're absolutely right, And because all of the empirical data
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: says so. In effect, it's very dangerous when you use
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: the word never, as you know, Hugh. But when you
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: look at the most important best research, whether it's a
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: scholar of the left, a scholar of the right, no
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: ideology whatsoever, the best large data sets say that Americans
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: who get married in their early to mid twenties tend
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: to have the greatest percentage of successful marriages over time.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: And by the way, if you wrap into that data
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: set people in their twenties who get married and have
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: at least one child, their percentage likelihood of a long lasting, successful, contented, joyous.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Happy marriage is even greater.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: My great friend, your great friend, Brad Wilcox at the
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: University of Virginia. Melissa Kearny, another remarkable scholar at the
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: University of Maryland, MIT trained economist. Very different scholars, very
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: different views, but their objective research says the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: Two parent families are what's best for the rising generation
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  Speaker 7: of young Americans and best for husbands and wives.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you also say that what I'm holding in my
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: hand and people can see if they're watching on the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: sale news channel, and they can hear if they're listening
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: on the radio stations and our affiliates is the cell phone.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And if you want to have your thriving marriage, put
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: down your phone and save your marriage. Page twenty three.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Thriving marriages are marked by ongoing, engaged conversation.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: The enforcement that is is usually the wife. I've been
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: married for forty four years and the phone can't be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: brought out in a restaurant unless I need directions. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it is true, Jim, that it's destructive of conversation. It's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: destructive connection, isn't it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: It is? And in fact, as you and we and
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: everybody know your Gorwell wrote one of the greatest books.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Nineteen eighty four. I think, Hugh, there is a truly.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Great book to be written, and the title would be
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: twenty ten because, broadly defined, that is the year that
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: the smartphone was introduced.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: And if you look at the loneliness.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Crisis, the dating recession, the incentivization of living apart, virtual
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: relationships versus real ones, the breaking apart of friendship, as
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: you know, in What Really Matters, I have a whole
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: chapter on restoring the American male, And it is shocking
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: to read in that chapter, Hugh, that fifteen percent of
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: all American men have no friends. I spoke at the
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: very end of the recent academic year to a very
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: large group of sophomores, juniors, and seniors at a large,
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  Speaker 7: well known public university.
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  Speaker 6: And you know how this is to you, because you
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: speak all the time, You give your remarks Q and A.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: And then you have a large number of young.
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  Speaker 7: People who'll come down to the podium and want to
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: continue the conversation. And I know that antecdotes are not data,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: but in behalf of focus on the family and being
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: in a university that's otherwise not necessarily known for being
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: friendly to our worldview. I continued the conversation and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: just said, informally to the men there, how many of
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: you would say you don't really even have one close
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: friend who you are regularly in contact with, let's say.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Every week or every other week.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: And Hugh, there was a forest of hands, and I
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: asked the same question of the young women, the same thing.
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  Speaker 6: This is not related to nothing.
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  Speaker 7: Increasingly the best research, and it's why I emphasize it.
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  Speaker 6: Again and again in my book.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: What really matters is that the smartphone era for all
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: the great things that can do, and it does, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: it really does incentivize staying in your own space isolation.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: And I think COVID and the pandemic just deepened and
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: widened the whole thing by degrees of oceans.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I think part of that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is the connectivity that's available online is a faux connectivity.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's not the real thing. It's often not with real people,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it's with bots. Let me come right back. Tim Geglin's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: brand new book is What Really Matters. He'll be back
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: after the break. Stay tuned to the Quit Show.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Is the loneliest number that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: You welcome back America. The new book is What Really Matters.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: One is referenced in and as well. The author is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Tim Geglin. Tim Geglin, and what really Matters? You talk
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: about gen Z. That's the people born between nineteen ninety
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: seven and twenty twelve. They're as young as ten and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they're as old as twenty five or thirty. They are
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: ignorant of history, they are lonely, they are depressed. Only
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: fifty two percent of them go to church. What do
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you do about gen Z? What's the answer there?
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'll tell you, Hugh, as you know, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: what really matters.
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  Speaker 7: I try to divide each of the chapters along the
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: line of restoration.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm an inveterate optimist, I truly am.
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  Speaker 7: And so the very sobering statistics that you share are undeniable.
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  Speaker 7: But I think there are more than silver linings. And
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  Speaker 7: I want to speak about that for a minute, because
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: the most recent and important Gallop survey shows that forty
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: nine percent of all young American men of a sudden
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: say that faith and religion is foundational. When they're asked,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: even aspirationally, do you want to be married? Do you
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: want to have children? They overwhelmingly say yes. They don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: want to miss the miracle and blessing of fatherhood. Now,
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: it's true, we have millions of young American able bodied men,
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  Speaker 7: say eighteen to twenty five.
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  Speaker 6: Our friend Nick Eberstadt at.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: The American Enterprise Institute has done remarkably important, even pathbreaking
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  Speaker 7: research that says that large percentages of this generation of.
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  Speaker 6: Men are able bodied. As I say, but they're not working.
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  Speaker 7: They're not looking for a job, they're not in college,
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  Speaker 7: they're not in school, they're not looking to be you know,
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  Speaker 7: I think if you are a blue state urban well
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  Speaker 7: educated woman, or you are a ruby read rural ex
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: urban woman, if you want to be married and if
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: you want to have children, you're saying that kind of
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: demographical male is unmarriageable. So I think in large measure
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: this accounts for this wide chasm. It's not necessarily religion
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: and faith, although that's important, but it has a lot
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: to do about aspirations and the future. And in this
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: generation that chasm becomes yawning in many ways.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's talk about because I want to make sure
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: recover it your chapter in what really matters on restoring faith.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Not so long ago, maybe two months ago, I had
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: lunch with a young man twenty two, having a big
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: job in DC working in the ODOB and he said,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: where'd you meet your wife? And I met my wife
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: at a political fundraiser. So that's not exactly where you
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: meet A lot of for Pete Wilson, if you're out there, governor,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: thank you again. But I said, find your church, meet
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: your wife there. And since that time, Tim, I'm Roman Catholic.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I have been in six In the last six weeks,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I've been in six different Roman Catholic churches in four
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: different states because of my travel pattern, which is like
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they're full, they got they're healthy, and they're diverse, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: they're young. Do you think there is some kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing going on.
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  Speaker 7: I absolutely do, and in fact, I believe that we
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  Speaker 7: are not just in a prologue.
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  Speaker 6: We are in at least the first chapter and maybe chapters.
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  Speaker 7: One and two of what I think of you as
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: a kind of quiet revival, and it's measurable. I want
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: to take a step sideways for a moment, because I
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: mentioned a moment ago that the best empirical data, which
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: for years showed that, especially among young American men, there
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: was either a plateau or a decline in faith and
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  Speaker 7: religion and things of the spirit of a sudden.
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  Speaker 6: It's a major uptick.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I was in a debate of all things on Good
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Friday morning, and one of my interlocutors said, what is
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: your what are your thoughts about the next couple of
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: days empty churches again?
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: And I said, I think just the opposite.
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  Speaker 7: I think if you are in the heart of Gotham
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: or San Francisco, or whether you are in a very
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: rural Pentecostal or Baptist church, I think you're going to
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: find that those parishes, pews and congregations are going to
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: be full, and some of them full to overflowing, because
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: conversions are real.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: It's about things of the spirit faith.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: This generation has lived, as we all know, Hugh, through
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: immeasurable brokenness, disconnection, dislocation, and they are of a sudden
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: generationally saying I want something different, I want something better,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: I want meaning. And I think that one of the
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: first and most obvious places they are looking is to
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: things of the faith. So I think that this trajectory
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: is upward for a good reason. And now I think
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: young American men are eager to get rid of the
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: dating recession and to start anew.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Now, Tim Geglan, you did not mention in what really matters.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: What Douglas Murray, who's an agnostic, all right, but he's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a brilliant agnostic. He says, we're living in a meaning crisis,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the meaning crisis, meaning that the younger you get, the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: less likely it is that the individual you're talking with
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: has some idea what life is about. They don't have
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a Baltimore Catechism, no Love and Serve God, they don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: have any catechism at all. How do you fix that?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, young life is out there, and God bless them.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: May they grow as they are growing in India, which
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is by leaps and brown. But how do you fix
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the meaning crisis in America? Not everyone's going to read
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: what really matters?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, may I say my friend Al Muhler, I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: has spoken and written eloquently about this. There are many
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: other analyzes that I recommend heartily, but Al speaks at
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: length about the distinction between thick and thin theology.
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  Speaker 6: And when you look at all the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: Growth numbers in faith, religion, things of the spirit, which
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: is to say, meaningful things broadly defined, you don't find it,
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: by enlarge hue in all patterns of faith in America.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: You find it largely in mass attending Catholics. You find
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: it among broadly defined Christians who are Orthodox, and you
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: find it in broadly defined Americans who are kind of
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: in confessional or evangelical religious experiences. In other words, mainline Christianity,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: and many of those formerly full perishes I think did
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: not come through the moral and sexual revolution of the sixties,
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: seventies and eighties.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Very well, and young people are simply not looking there.
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  Speaker 7: I want to say something else that I think is
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: counterintuitive as well, but I think it fits to Douglas
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  Speaker 7: Murray's EP point, and I think it's really salient in
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, which is that young people are also
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: of a sudden finding good reasons to say, I'm going
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: to put the smartphone in the drawer. I'm putting this
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: on rest mode. Increasingly, there are people in the baby
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: boom generation trying to get in touch with gen Z
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: and gen X, and they're finding that if it's Friday
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: after six pm, they may not get them until Monday morning.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: But it's not for no reason.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: It's often related to fellowship, friendship, dating and seeking things
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: that matter. And I think that this is so important
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: for the political classes because what really matters if we're
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: saying what kind.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Of a country do we want fifty years from now?
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: It's not that it's not about border security and immigration
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: and taxes in war, and I'm all with you and
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: the political classes in that regard, But what really matters family, marriage, parenting,
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: human life, religious liberty, conscience rights, parental rights, pronouns that
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: have fixed meanings. Young people are seeking this kind of concreteness,
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: meaning and purpose.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Finally, Tim, you summed up by saying we need an
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: ordered society, and that is actually yes. From the beginning
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of human history we have sought an ordered society. We
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: are blessed to live in a land where we have
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the most brilliant foundation of framers who came up with
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the most brilliant foundation. We're coming up on our two
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary. But the ordered society is fraying,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: isn't it? Are you an optimist of Pessimen's last question, Tim.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: Gaglin, I am a categorical glass is more than half
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: full optimist. I believe that America's best days are ahead
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: of us, but not because of confetti to the wind optimism.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: I am a Christian, therefore I'm a hopefullest. But the
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: most important thing is look at what the data says.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: We don't have to rely exclusively on data, but what
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: are the trend lines? The trend lines are not back
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: into the kind of morally relativistic spiritual crisis that lands
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: us in an era at war with objective reality.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: Good, bad, right, wrong.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: I think the rising generation of young men and women
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: Christians and not but those seeking meaning and purpose. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: think overwhelmingly they want something different, and they are asking
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: what really matters? And I think that the political classes
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: increasingly see that all of the political slogans and promises
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: and talking points of a sudden no longer work. But
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: it's not because this generation is uninterested. I think they
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: are turning tow or the things that really matter. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: that's why I wanted to write the book.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: What Really Matters in bookstores now available at Amazon, Barnes,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and Noble, wherever books are sold. What Really Matters by
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Tim Gaglin. Thank you, Tim. It's always good to catch
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: up with you. Vice President for External Affairs that focus
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on the family. Be well, Tim, I look forward to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the next book, America you give it. It's election day
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in South Carolina and of course in the great state
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of Maine, where Graham Plattner is on the ballot. Rich
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Lowry is the editor in chief of National Review. Rich
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: posted on x only an hour ago. We've seen a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: lot of unimpressive Senate candidates, corrupt senate candidates, unfaithful senate
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: candidates over the years. But Platner is something new and different,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: A shockingly twisted Senate candidate, like something out of a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Clinton Tarantino movie. Truly dark and disturbing. I agree, Rich Lowry.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think he'll get in terms of percentage
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: of the Democratic vote? Be quite high.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: I don't know what sixty seventy seventy five percent. I mean,
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: they're all in on them. They shouldn't be his ridiculous,
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: this very bad choice. I thought I was kind of
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: bullish on his chances against Collins when all was was
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: a Reddit post and the tattoo, even though he's clearly
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: lying about the tattoo.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: But these stories over.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: The last week or so, when you get into this
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: kind of area, Hugh with a sexting and the abuse
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: of girlfriends, there's more where that came from. So they'll
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: be future shoes to drop. Democrats are very nervous about it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: But it's too late now.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I want to run down for the benefit of the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: audience who may have lost track of all of the scandals.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: He does have a Nazi tattoo, an SS tattoo associated
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: with the death camp guards. He had numerous Reddit threads
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: on which he made numerous sexist and homophobic comments. They've
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: been erased. He he has been telling veterans who were
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: injured or killed that they're no good. Teddy Daniels on
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: make twenty second. He's a purple Heart recipient that Graham
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Plattner called stupid for stepping out and drawing fire. He
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: was wounded. He's insulted Chris Kyle, American sniper who is
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: helping a PTS veteran who turned his gun on him afterwards.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He insulted Marcus Lutrelle loan survivor. He's got his kick
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: app story that we don't know yet how often he
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: used it or with whom he has. The sexting story
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you talked about, and then the domestic abuse story in
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the New York Times, six women involved through alleged abuse.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: One gave her name. At what point does the damn
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: break for anyone?
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: Rich Well, Democrats are committed, right, so they'll have to
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: stick with him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: I think there is a provision.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: There's usually like a little caveat in the law hue
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: that Democrats take advantage of. There is some potential to
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: switch him out. I think at some point if they
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: just decide it's undsustainable, but they're going to stick with
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: them as long as they possibly can. And just look
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: if you don't need to be an expert political consultant
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: to know if the candidate has a profile on a
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: social media app that's notorious for the abuse of young girls.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: And your app is the guy naked except for a towel.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: That's warning sign. You're right, that's a warning sign. And
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: the reason why I said sick and twisted. I don't
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: even like to talk about it, but according to one
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: of his ex girlfriends, now they try to discredit her
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: because she's a Republican, but I don't think she'd make
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: this up. He said that he would rape someone who
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: he caught breaking into his house to establish dominance over
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: such a person. That's unsettling, to say the least.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Now, the backstory, and I pardon the punt. The backstory
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on Platner is he was recruited into the race by
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party operatives who ran John Fetterman's campaign and who
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: intended to make a lot of money. I think this
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: is a warning sign for everyone in American politics that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the consulting class is really cool. They care about their
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: thirty to forty percent of the media buy and they
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: care about can we get at blue clicks. I have
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: no doubt he can raise a lot of money. Do
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you think that's enough to keep him afloat? By the way,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the withdrawal date in Maine, as I believe late July. Yeah.
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: Again, they'll twist themselves to defend the guy. And look,
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: I understand their calculation. He looks and sounds like a
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: working class guy. Let's let's run him. You know, I
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: worked with Fetterman, and Fetterman turns out to be really
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: interesting and admirable figure in a lot of ways. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: Fetterman's main advantage.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: In that race.
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: He wasn't a typical democrat, didn't look like a typical democrat,
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: didn't sound like a typical typical democrat, and one despite
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: having a stroke against a very flawed candidate. Of course,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: so they figured this Platinum the same, it will be
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: the same play, even though he's not really an oysterman.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: It's kind of a fake business of recent vintage. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: there's I think to kind of an element condescension here
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: where they think working class guys they all have these problems.
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: They're all abusive to their girlfriends, they all might have
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: shameful tattoos. You know, it comes with the territory, But
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: of course it doesn't. You know, these are unique attributes
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: to Grand Platiner.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't come with Marines. The most interesting parallel
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I've come up with rich JD. Vans comes out of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a troubled home with an attict mom and a somewhat
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: crazy grandma with guns lying around the house, and there's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of disturbance in his life. He can't even
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: figure out how to apply to Ohio State back in
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the day, so he goes in the Marine Corps for
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: four years and the Marines. He goes, You're rock. He
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: gets straightened out, he learns how to live life. He
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: comes back those two years at Ohio State University and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: then goes to Ye Law School. Grand Platiner is a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: screw up in high school, bounced out of hotch Kits school,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: goes to another exclusive prep school, and then he goes
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in the Marines, and he comes out more screwed up.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: What's that tell us about the Marine Corps of anything?
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: I don't think you tell us anthy about the Marine Corps.
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: A look, there's stress is under combat and people do
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: have bad times afterwards. And that's why I think he
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: could have gotten away with just the Reddit post. But
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: the sexting is a very recent vintage when supposedly he's
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: a reformed person, and I think the Marine Corps is
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: actually an amazing institution in terms of turning people around.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: You talk about Jade Vance going into the Marines and
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: coming out a different person. I've been around around the
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: Marines a little bit and gone to their training camps,
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: and these kids, you know, they're not always the great material,
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: greatest material coming in. You know, their budget, they're out
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: of shape, they might be a little disciplined, they haven't
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: done well in school. Maybe that's why they're signed up
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: for the Marines, and they come out these incredible guys,
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: you know, attribute to our our nation. So I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: in that respect, the Marines is just absolute great institution
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: and you can't judge it by Graham Plattner obviously.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A classic of the genre is called Making the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Core by Thomas Rix, returned from the Washington Post years ago,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: lives up in May nine. I wonder what Tom Rix
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: thinks of Graham Plattner. But he followed a platoon from
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: New York City where they all gathered up all through
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: their training camp down at Paras Island. And how you
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: make the court tear people down, build them back up,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and it works in most case. But JD is on
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the far right side of the Bell curve for success
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and Grand Plattners on the far left side the stuff
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: he talked about. Have we found any marine that went
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: with him into the Croatia tattoo parlor where he got
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the death head. Has anyone stepped forward from his unit
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to say, ah, yeah, he's a good guy. I did
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that with him.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't think we've heard that yet. And one
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: reason this story isn't plausible to me, Hugh, that he
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: had no idea what this was. It's in Croatia, you know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: which has some experience with Nazism, and obviously someone who
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: has an interest in military affairs in World War Two.
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: He's posted about World War two matters. He's posted about
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Nazi symbols and members of the military supposedly using them,
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: and he's defended members of the military. So look, I
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: think he's just so said.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I was a dumb kid.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: I thought this looked tough.
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know what it was. I shouldn't have done it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: I'm ashamed of it now. But insteady he's lied about
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: it flagrantly. And that's another aspect of this New York
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Times story about the abusive relationship with the girlfriends. Is
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: one of them who has no interest in military affairs.
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: Somehow knew a couple of years ago what this was.
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: Referred to it as mind totin cough, and she there's
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: a record of her discussing this with her friends, so
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: obviously he's he's lying.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: So Rich Lowry, famous Rich Lowry exit question, would you
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: give me the odds from one percent to one hundred
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: percent of the reelection of Susan Collins in November?
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: I answered this very exit question about a week and
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: a half ago, So I got to eat crow because
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: I said I favor Platner. But I think you know
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: what's what's emerged over the last week, week and a
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: half or so.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's bad.
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: Plus there's very likely to be more, so i'd give her,
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: you know, sixty percent chance of winning. I think it's
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: gonna be very tough year. I think is always tough
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: up there, even though she's an institution. So I'm not
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: saying it's an absolute lock, but she's she's clearly should
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: be the favorite. Now and she wins there, the map
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: becomes very hard for Democrats to take the Senate, very hard, right.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think it is gonna be tough. He I think,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: for example, John Houston in Ohio has got to show
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: up at every town corner every day between now in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: September if he wants to meet Sharon Brown. And I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: think Michael Wattley's on tomorrow in North Carolina as a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: rough hold to go. However, I don't see that. I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: don't see Lsied beating Mike Rodgers, do you.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: I think it's gonna be tough, and that's gonna be
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: a real close one. That's that's another terrible choice of candidate,
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: but another one the Democrats are probably gonna make. But
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: if you just assume for the sake of argument, Republicans
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: don't pick up anywhere, including Michigan and Collins holds on
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: in Maine, I think North Carolina's going to be a
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: loss for Republicans. Then Democrats to get there over the
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: top of the Senate, they need to win three out
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: of the four of Texas.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: Ohio, Ohio, Iowa, sorry, and Alaska.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: And that just seems a very very tough pull.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: All right, Ask a quick exit question, President Trump said.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: He asked her respond to the shootdown of the Apache.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: You want a small, medium or a large response? Rich,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'm on the larger response category.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would favor large, but I think Hugh just
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: has been established now over the weeks that he has
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: very little interest in reigniting serious kinetic operations. The war
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: never really ended, right the Iranians boys were making a
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: mockery of the ceasefire of blockade is an active war.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: They're blockaded the straight an active war. But I think
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: he's pretty desperate for a deal and doesn't want to
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: do anything that would would potentially spiral into a real
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: shooting conflict.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Again, do you think.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: He's figured out that the politics. I think he's wrong
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: on the politics. I think to be passive right now
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: is going to hurt him in November. LA's where do
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: your Rich Lowry?
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: I think he wants a deal and doesn't see what
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: you're saying.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: It's be better to win right through this.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: But I'm not to calculate.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I think the moment, Rich wall we always good to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: see you. I fall him on Next Rich Lowry listened
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to the Editors which Rich host Flights a week on
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: wherever iPod podcast. I heard it tuned Apple Spotify, wherever
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the editor. Thank you Rich. I'll be right back of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: America's pign quarter Back America. I'm Hugh Hewett joined out
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: by Alex Gray. Alex is the CEO of American Global Strategies,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: one of the great consulting firms inside the Beltway on
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: national security affairs, Alex. President Trump has said he is
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: going to respond to the shootdown to the apache. What
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: are his options? What do you think he had to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: do well, Hugh.
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: I think it was very smart of the President to
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: keep his options open militarily keeping while the blockade was
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: in place, the right military assets, so there's optionality in
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: the event that he had to escalate or respond to
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: Ironni and escalation. And look, I think what the President's
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: going to do. And we kind of have a bad
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: taste in our mouth for this term proportional because of
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: past presidents, But I think when this president launches a response,
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: it's going to be a proportional response to the Iranian attack,
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: and it's going to be with a larger strategic goal
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: in mind of finding a pathway to a diplomatic solution
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: that accomplishes his goals and ends this conflict. The President's
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: made very clear that he wants to open the straits,
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: have a nuclear negotiation that ends with Iran not having
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: a nuclear weapon, and it establishes a middle Eastern equilibrium
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: that doesn't have an Iranian terror state running amok. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: so I think the President's going to push back, show
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: the Iranians he means business, and then get back to
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: the business of diplomacy, which is ultimately how this will
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: be settled.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Now, Alex Gray, you were the chief of Staff in
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the National Security Council in the first Trump White House.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: What is going on right now to give the president options?
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: So the military, through the Joint Staff, the uniformed officers
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: who form the nucleus of the Joint Chieuse of Staffs,
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: Planning and Operations arm are going to work with Central
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: Command based out of Tampa, with a Ford deployed element
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: in the Middle East, who are generating the actual options
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: available to the President. And then those are going to
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: go to the National Security Council through Marco Rubio, the
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: National Security Advisor. You know, this is a very lean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: mean national Security Council. There's not a lot of undo
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: unnecessary process and meetings for the sake of meetings. It's
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: going to be a very tight group that look at
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: this information, that see the options that are generated by
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: the military. They're going to have you know, Secretary Defense,
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: Secretary of State slash National Security Advisor Rubio. You'll have
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: probably the Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, couple of trusted aids,
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: the vice president, very small circumspect group are going to
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: be with the president when these options are presented. And
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: knowing how the President operates, the President ask good questions.
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: He asks probing questions. He asked questions about chances of success,
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: and he wants the military to be able to show
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: their homework. How did they get to the conclusions they
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: got to makes everybody better, And ultimately he usually arrives
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: at really good and military options because he, unlike some
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: commanders in chief, he actually has the capability to go
• 49:20
  Speaker 9: toe to toe with the military on what are we doing,
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: what's where we're trying to accomplish. There's no blank check,
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: and he wants to know why they're recommending what they're recommending.
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: So I think the President's going to have a good
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: set of options and make a good decision.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Now, Alex Gray, there's a political dimension here as well,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: which is its campaign. Says I. We've got primary today
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and in Maine and in South Carolina. It's going to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: continue on until the actual elections are done in November.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I think the political danger for the president is too little,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: not too much.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: You agree with me, well, Hugh, Look, I think that
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: the president actually has I think he's achieved a tremendou
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: this amount already, and I think the blockade is extraordinarily successful.
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: The blockade is choking the Iranian economy.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It is succeeding.
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: The Navy is doing exactly what it said it could
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: do and what the President tasked it to do. The
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: Iranians are rejiggering their supply lines completely through Central Asia.
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: They're having to totally redo their economy on the fly,
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: and we are starting to see cracks in the regime.
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: Student protests are growing regularly. All this to say, Hugh,
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: I don't think the reprisal for what the Iranians did
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: to our aircraft. I don't think that is how we're
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: going to win this to our favor. The blockade has
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: to run its course. The challenge that I think we're seeing,
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: to your point about the politics here, the challenge is
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: that the timeline the Navy's on and the Iranian economy
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: is on may not be the American domestic political timeline,
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: and the president, as commander in chief has to go
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: to the American people and lay out what is actually
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: going on on the ground and why we have to
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: have patients.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: So this is blockade to.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: Import and bring the Iranians to their knees, to the table,
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: so they give us the deal that we deserved and
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: that we've earned and that we need so we can ultimately,
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: I would argue to you get out of the Middle
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: East once we've accomplished these objectives.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Now the blockade is designed and is throddeling their lifeblood.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: They're not getting any revenue. One thing on my list
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of possibilities is bomber refinery, a gasoline refiner, because they
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: already have gas shortages and already have a de facto
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: rationing underway in Iran. The response is, well, then they'll
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: shoot at the Saudi oil fields, or the Kuwaiti oil feeds,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: or the UAE or Bahrain oil fields or cutters the
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: gas field, to which I think now they won't. They're
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: not stupid, they don't want to start that war. What
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: about a refinery alex as a target set.
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: I think it's a proportional response. I also think doing
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: an extended version of what the Israelis hit a couple
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: of days ago and going after all of the air
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: defenses that they've tried to re establish since the end
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: of Operation Epic Fury. I think there's a lot of
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: command and control targets that if God forbid, we have
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: to have a more aggressive kinetic response down the road,
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: because talks straight down, it might as well just lay
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: the groundwork for a more permissive.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Air space for if we have to do that again.
• 52:25
  Speaker 9: So I think there are ways to have a proportional
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: response that actually also accomplished some potential operational objectives for
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: the future. A refinery could be part of that. I
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: think there's also a reason to go after some of
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: the infrastructure that might be used for the fast boats
• 52:41
  Speaker 9: if and when there's a further estallation in the Strait
• 52:44
  Speaker 9: of Horor moves. So I think he's got a number
• 52:46
  Speaker 9: of targets that makes sense.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: And the final question the airmen who are uninjured. Thank goodness,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: we're picked up by an automatic boat, by a robo boat,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: by suv on the water, a driverless taxi on the water.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I saw a picture of it that's kind of stunning,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: Well, it's stunning because we haven't seen it play out
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: in an American theater of war. But this is the
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: type of thing we're seeing on the Ukrainian front every
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: day in different forms. As you know, Hugh, the Ukrainians,
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: for the first time in the history of warfare, recently
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: captured a position, a Russian position, using nothing but robots.
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: There wasn't a single human involved in taking.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: The position that the Ukrainians took.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: It was all automated.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: That's the future of warfare.
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: And I think one of the things we're seeing is
• 53:37
  Speaker 9: the Pentagon is doing some interesting innovative things, but we
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: aren't fully wrapping our heads around the automated future, the
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: autonomous future that we're in. Hopefully this wakes some people
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  Speaker 9: up and they start to realize we're getting a little
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  Speaker 9: behind the curve, that we should not just be doing
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  Speaker 9: this for search and rescue. We should have a ponderance
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  Speaker 9: a significant part of our fleet going needs to be autonomous.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Chris Brows is coming up next hour. He is the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: president chief strategy officer of ANDERILL. I know they're working
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: on submersibles and very small aircraft. I as how many
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: companies are doing this, Alex we got thirty seconds, we
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: got one hundred, two hundred. How many people are making
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the weapons of war.
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  Speaker 9: You know, candidly, Hugh, in terms of credible ones that
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: have you know, programs that could actually be contracted by
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: the Department of War. I think you're talking a half dozen,
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: maybe maybe Kendar up to a dozen. It's not a lot,
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  Speaker 9: and particularly on the undersea side, it's a very small
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: set of companies. Look at the Europeans and look at
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: the Ukrainians as well, a lot of innovation over there.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Ale it's great CEO of American Global Strategy. It's good
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you as always, Alex. Stay tuned, America.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back on.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: They give you a show.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewett to go from Focus
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: on the Family Vice President Tim Gaglin to James lelexis
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: kind of a whip saw, but Lileax might be a
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: focus on the family guy. I'm not really sure. What's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: your poster there on the corner, James, and there's.
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: Some ancient battle, the Battle of Sullava.
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  Speaker 4: It's a birch.
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  Speaker 6: Pardon me.
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  Speaker 1: About the radio. It's okay. We like dogs and little
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  Speaker 1: kids in the shot. We like that.
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  Speaker 4: Get a stick here, so he shuts up.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We've always appreciated dogs and little kids in the shot,
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  Speaker 1: but not when we're when we're live on the radio,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: we normally shut the door on the dog when it's
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: a puppy.
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  Speaker 6: Oh good, he's eight years old.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: He had to know better.
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  Speaker 10: It's something that I got in the in Suffolk. It's
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: a poster that goes out for a great ale, a
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: great straw ale. That I put it up there because
• 55:47
  Speaker 10: I have nothing else at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: But all right, let me ask you what you think
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota. Else I d in Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and Graham Platner in Maine. Those are the three am
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  Speaker 1: Flat again later.
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  Speaker 2: And not just wonderful.
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  Speaker 10: Well Flat Again is a lunatic by my lights, although
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  Speaker 10: by what Minnesota's becoming politically, especially in the urban area,
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  Speaker 10: not so much so. I remember gleefully supposing with the
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  Speaker 10: T shirt that said protects transkids and it's got a
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  Speaker 10: knife in the middle. So apparently I'm supposed to stab
• 56:20
  Speaker 10: somebody who's not in favor of puberty blockers. She's more
• 56:23
  Speaker 10: DSA than the person against whom she's running. I don't
• 56:25
  Speaker 10: know who's going to win, but yeah, no, As for
• 56:29
  Speaker 10: the other guy in Michigan, I expect that you will
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  Speaker 10: find policies that seem to be at We put this
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  Speaker 10: at odds with the national mood Post nine to eleven
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  Speaker 10: put it that way.
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  Speaker 6: And Platner is just an.
• 56:42
  Speaker 10: Interesting case, a fascinating case, actually a reprehensible character with
• 56:45
  Speaker 10: a bad tattoo, a literal Nazi tattoo. But we have
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: to elect the Nazi in order to prevent the real
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  Speaker 10: Nazis from getting power. All three of them vote ill
• 56:54
  Speaker 10: for their particular neighborhoods, and I don't wish them well
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: the general.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the one I know the least about is your
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: homegrown Peggy flaniet El say Ed, I have seen answer
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the question in such a way as to make me
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: think you that anisimitic. Graham Plattner is almost certainly Anisimitic,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: given his comments and his Nazi tattoo. What does Flanagan
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: say about the Jews? Does she talk about Israel and
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  Speaker 1: Zionism and Jews?
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  Speaker 4: It's not that I can remember.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, it's Minnesota, doesn't come up all that often.
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  Speaker 6: You'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be nothing.
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  Speaker 10: Nothing would surprise me if she didn't tow the line,
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  Speaker 10: which is to say anti Zionism, anti genocide and all
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  Speaker 10: the rest of them, which has nothing to do with
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: the Jews, of course, but is somehow also intimately bound
• 57:37
  Speaker 10: up with them. Do I expect that she would be
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: a big friend of Israel?
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: Do I expect that she would?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: Would she should have here if somebody went to a
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: statue in Minnesota on the Capitol grounds and spray painted
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  Speaker 10: it with free Gaza, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: So, let's just put it that.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Way, all right. So stepping back from the two parties,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, the title charts of the American politics
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: say they Republicans ought to get hammered. It's the sixth
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: year of a presidency. You normally get hammered. Do you
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: think the Democrats are in a position to hang on
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: to the hammer or are they letting it slip? Well?
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: I think we keep saying this that they'd be in
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: a better position to win if they would just be normal.
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: We have to do at this point is pick up
• 58:19
  Speaker 10: that crime of the Crown that was dropped by Bill
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: Clinton and awful long time ago and put it on
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  Speaker 10: and say, hey, you know what, I'm in favor of
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: clean streets, bright shining statuary, functions that work in the
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: nation's capital, letting you keep more of your money, and
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: all these people who want to turn your kids into
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: the other gender.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. I'm not there.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think the.
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: Boys out of wrestling girls. I mean, it's just sort
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: of an easy, middle of the road position. But it's
• 58:41
  Speaker 10: also been redefined as now, of course, fascism. The DSA
• 58:45
  Speaker 10: in Minnesota just issued a big, long laundry list of
• 58:49
  Speaker 10: everything that they want to do, and it's precisely what
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: you would expect.
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  Speaker 6: They want to give ball the.
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: Land back, they want to dismantle the dams, they want
• 58:56
  Speaker 10: to do every single possible democratic socialist you can imagine.
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: And because they're so passionate about this, and they're so
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: close to the real truth of what the progressives want to.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Say and admit, nobody really can.
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: You know, you can say, you guys are not go
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: over there, sit down. You're going to lose this elections.
• 59:14
  Speaker 10: They have to be admired because they're more angry and
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: they're more pure. So the people who previously would have said,
• 59:21
  Speaker 10: that's ridiculous, that is not my democratic party, that is
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: not what it means to be a liberal in America.
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: Are now either silenced because they don't want to get
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: shouted down by the people who are you screaming to
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: dismantle the damns and give the land back, or they
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: actually sort of kind of believe it themselves because they
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: don't really believe anything anyway. There's a great dog park
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: in Minnesota, in Minneapolis where we used to go all
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: the time, no leashes, dogs roaming free. But they say
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: that it's an indigenous burial ground. There's no real proof
• 59:48
  Speaker 10: of it, and so they're going to say that you
• 59:50
  Speaker 10: can no longer be a dog park.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: People can walk there.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Those great environment in which anybody could.
• 59:55
  Speaker 10: Go is now and the people who say no, this
• 59:57
  Speaker 10: is ridiculous, this is preposterous, and the hundred how many
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: years old claimed there's no proofs that anybody was. They're
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: shouted down and they're or just given the side eye
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 10: because you can't say anything critiquing this particular demographic.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: And so the moderate people shut.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Up and go home.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Then the crazy people win.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Hopefully they vote all right, now, I got a boomer
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: question for you. The other day, I watched probably twelve
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: minutes of a video about Bob Dylan appearing on a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra special and it was narrated. I'd never seen
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: this or heard this, and it went for thirty one minutes,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and about twelve minutes in I thought to myself, this
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: might be fake, but it's really good and it's a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: good story, and it was fake. Have you fallen for
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: that yet? People do this, they set boomer traps.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: Well, I was watching Jimmy Hendricks play with the Fred
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 10: Wearing at his Pennsylvania there got suspicious about that. I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: have not fallen for a for a boomer trap. No,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: there are certain tells you can have by how good
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 10: it is unless they're really getting you know, good at
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: faking old kinescopes and the rest of it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: But it's interesting.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 11: People will fall forward and even when you tell them
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: that it's you know, that's a boomer trapp, they'll say, well,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: you know it kind of sort of could have should
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 11: have happened, And you know the way, they're right, because
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: there was a crossover spillover between the counterculture and the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: sixties and the old.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: Culture where you would not be surprised to find somebody
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: like Jimmy Hendrix playing in the Brady Bunch, you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 10: reunion show.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: It would have been afterwards or you know, there were
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: so many variety shows, so many.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: Bad variety shows on television.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: That yeah, they would drag these people in, and so
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 10: it's completely completely understandable. You know that Tommy Bowen and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: t Rex would be lip syncing with somethings in one
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: of these shows, Unmerved Griffiths. So yeah, well, I'm not
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: as tredulous as you, Hugh, and I spent a lot
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 10: more time in the AI space, so I think I.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Would have liked to think that I would.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Have found that. Well, I really like Dylan and I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: really like Sinatra. So they set up a boomer trap,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't know what they get except eleven minutes
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: of my life. I didn't buy anything. But I want you, Jim,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: keep Jim James. I want you, James to keep a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: diary of if you fall into any boomer traps. I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: want to know what it is like the Swiss Family, Robinson.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: More, the one where David Bowie is singing with Bing Crosby.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: Come on this the show like I'm stupid enough to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: believe that actually it happened.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: It did happen, And so there is a difference. That's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: why boomer traps are so dangerous. Weird stuff happened in
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the sixties, in the seventies. Thank you, James Lylac James
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Lylac dot substat dot com. I'll be right back in
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that state promised in in four an hour ahead. Christian
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Brose joins me. Chris is the president and chief strategy
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: officer for Anderil Industry. Before that, he was many years
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the staff director on the Senate Armed Services Committee, former
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: speech writer for Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Before that. He's a graduate to Kenyon College. I do
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: not know if he was blessed enough to be born
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: in Ohio and root for the Browns, but I'll find out.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Christian Bros. Welcome. By the way, Why Kenyon College.
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  Speaker 4: So, first of all, the Hugh thanks for having me on.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: It's a pleasure. Kenyon College. I learned about because I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: was a swimmer, And for those of you who are
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: not familiar, Kenyon College has the longest running, unbroken string
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: of national championships in any sport in any division in
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: the country and history. So I think they we tapped
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: out at about thirty two consecutive national championships and Division
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: III swimming. I was there for twenty to twenty four,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: twenty three. I can't do math in public, so yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: that's how I learned about Kenyon. I did not have
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: the pleasure of growing up in Ohio. I grew up
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. Data is from Cincinnati, so not a not
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: a Browns fan, and you know, growing up in Philadelphia,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: I'll just say, didn't make me a Browns fan either.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. It makes you an Eagles fan and a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Phillies fan. But we'll put that aside. Because Andrel much
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: depends upon the success of Andrel. I want to recommend
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to everyone in your book that Killshane. I started listening
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to it and I'm listening to it after your interview
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: with Aaron McClain on the May nineteenth edition of School
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: of War, which I found so interesting that immediately asked
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: our booking team to get in touch with you. So
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: so thank for this. Let's begin though, Aaron, of course,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: being a marine left a lot of facts not in
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: evidence on the table, So I'm going to go back
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: and do the lawyer thing and begin by asking tell
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: people what Androl is.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, so Andrel is at this point a nine year
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: old defense technology company. We're venture backed. We're privately held.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: We focus on building primarily software defined systems, autonomous systems,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: low cost weapons, integrated counter drone and air defense. Really
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: focusing on building weapons and defense technology differently, so putting
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: huge amounts of our own investment into building these products
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: and capabilities, taking them directly to the Pentagon or to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: US allies and partners internationally, working with them to meet
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: their needs, and then really focusing on hyper scale production
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: to just get a kind of an order of magnitude
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: increase in the quantities of military systems and weapons that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: we're bringing to the battlefield.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: So it's a weapons company and that's what I want
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: people to understand for our defense company. But you build
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: munitions primarily. You might build other things, but unlike Palanteier,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: for example, and I've been over at Palleteer with Gallagher
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and Shum's on that Sheim's been on this program, you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: actually build things that go boom. And how many different
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: things do you build the go boom? The Barracuda being
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the most obvious example.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the Bearcoot that you're referencing is a family
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: of cruise missiles that we build. So these are jet
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: powered weapons, you know, Some of them are going to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: fly you know, one hundred miles. Some are going to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: be you know, kind of a few hundred. Some are
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: going to be several hundred miles in range, carrying a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: lot more payload.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: So these are.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Again designed differently to be not like the weapons that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: we all know so well that are so remarkable Patriot
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: missiles and Tomahawk weapons, but really systems that are going
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: to be simple to build, mass producible, lower price, you know,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: a fraction of the cost of what they're more sort
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: of exquisite, you know, kind of peer systems are going
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: to come in at so, you know, the Barracuda systems
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: we're building, we're building surface launched air defense weapons, you know,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: to be able to go after these you know, Iranian
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: one way attack you know, kind of group three drones.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: And then we're building a whole host of different you know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: kind of integrated autonomous systems, robotic fighter jets, robotic submarines,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: you know, all of which we can go deeper on.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: But you're correct, you know, we are building a lot
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: of weapons. We're winning a lot of programs to build
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: a lot more weapons. It's a huge area of folks
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: for the business and something that you know that America
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: desperately needs, as.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: I know you know.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Well, what is revolutionary about ANDROW for the benefit of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: the audience is that it's the inversion of the old model.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: The old model is that the Pentagon would put out
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a spec sheet and then people would bid and it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: might be a cost plus contract or it might be
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: a low bitter contract, but then the Pentagon would change
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: the specs. In fact, I spent about three hours with
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: a couple of Navy guys who were there at the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: beginning of the frigate, and we're there when we put
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the frigate to death after two frigates were built because
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: of change orders. That's the old system. You aren't under
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: that system. Explain to people. You're taking all the risk
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: though you're building something the Pentagon doesn't have to buy.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: So explain to people how that works.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of times that is the case. I mean,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: there are also a lot of programs where you know,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: we're coming up with interesting and novel ways to share
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: risk with the government. But you're putting your focus squarely
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: on what we believe is the sort of the central
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: importance here, which is getting accountability back onto industry. You know,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: this has been a huge focus of the presidents and
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: the executive order that he put out, you know, for
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: too long, uh, you know, industry, defense industry has not
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: been as accountable as they need to be for the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: cost and schedule and performance of the weapons that you know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: the American taxpayer is buying. So when those programs go
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: off schedule, when they go over budget, you know, much
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: of the risk for that, you know, is landing on
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: the government. It's landing on the taxpayer. And that's not
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: something that we view as right, and it's certainly something
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: that we view as you know, frankly cancerous to the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: kind of company that we're trying to build, which is
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: focused on performance, setting a high bar, attracting high performers,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: you know, rewarding and compensating high performers, delivering and building
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: technology at the speed that it is possible to build
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: it and deliver it, you know, and trying to get
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: back to something that looks more like market based principles
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: and defense, where you know, we sign a contract with
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: the government, we have the risk of funding the development
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: of that system, building our own facilities, funding you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: the workforce, and then delivering so if we go off
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: schedule or over budget, you know that risk is on us.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: That keeps us hungry, It keeps us energized, It keeps
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: us focused. It reduces cost, it improves and performance. You know,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: crazy things that happens, you know when you actually let
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: markets and capitalism, you know, back into defense.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Now, we need to educate the audience on the need.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: If they want to know what it looks like when
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: we're at full tide, the fleet's at full tide, you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: read Arthur Herman's The Arsenal Democracy. If you want to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: know how we got where we were three years ago,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: you read The Killed Chaine by Chris and he'll explain
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: it all to you, the Last Supper and how we
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: ended up. But what I'd like you to begin at
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: least in the stigma. We are in a deep hole.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: And that deep hole is one I don't know that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: most Americans are aware of. They hear munition shortages, but
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: they don't really believe it. Chris bro tell people what
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: we're looking at right now and why it's urgent that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: we get busy.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I think at the macro level, the problem
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: is when we look at our adversaries in the world
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: foremost the Chinese Communist Party. They've gone to school on
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: us for thirty to thirty five years. They have studied
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: how America fights, how we project power, and they've systematically
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: been building up and modernizing a military to hold all
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: of that at risk, right, So, to take away our
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: land bases, our aircraft carriers and sea bases, our access
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: to logistics and information intelligence, you know, the electro bangetic
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: spectrum space. They have weapons to deny us access to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: all of that. And I think when we look at
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: a lesser version of that problem with Iran, you know,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: we're also struggling because, you know, we have optimized our
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: military over you know, the same period of time around
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: the set of assumptions that I just don't think hold
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: up anymore. Right, I think we have been assuming for
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: too long that protracted conflict is not something that we're
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: going to have to be involved in, that if we
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: have to fight a war, it's going to be over
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: in you know, hours or days or maybe a couple
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: of weeks. But that's just historically never been the case.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: That's not what the world wars look like, that's not
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: what our experience in the twentieth century looked like. But
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: when you make those assumptions, you know, everything downstream follows
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: from that. Right, we don't assume that we're going to
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: have to have a lot of weapons, that we're going
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: to shoot a lot of weapons in war, that once
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: we've shot them, that we're going to have to then
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: reproduce them and do that for months and years again,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: all things that we did in the twentieth century, we've
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: just assumed for the beast part of the generation that like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: we don't have to do that stuff anymore. So, you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: know where we find ourselves, you know now looking at
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: you know, as Aaron McLain said, right, war is an audit,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: looking at the audit of epic fury. You know, we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: shot something like eight to ten years of Tomahawk production
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: in the opening weeks of that conflict. You know, when
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: we have you know, been called to respond to the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: inbound weapons, you know, the Air defense mission in the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: Central Command sort of you know, Middle East area. You know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: we have fired years of missile defense production, FAD interceptors,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Patriot interceptors, and just so the reader the listeners understand,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: these weapons are millions and millions of dollars apiece. They
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  Speaker 4: take literally years to build. They are remarkable pieces of technology.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: We need them, We need as many of them as
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: we possibly can get. But once we've shot them, we
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: don't get them back, you know, in a matter of days.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: It's a matter of years. So you know, the problem
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: that we have here flows from the assumptions that we've
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: been making for a very long time. And again regret
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: to inform people that we've had adversaries who have gone
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: to school on us, and you know, we are not
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: currently postured for the kinds of conflicts that I think
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: we are going to have to deal with in the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: very near future, which are going to look a lot
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: more like the conflicts that we've studied throughout American history,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: and a heck of a lot more like the recent
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: experiences that we've seen in Ukraine, in Iraq and Syria
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: and Yemen, in the Middle East, in you know, Armenia
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: and Azerbaijan. All of this evidence is right in front
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: of us, and I think they just call into question
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: the assumptions under which we've built the United States military.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. Chris pros is with me for
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: three more segments. We're going to dig deeper into the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: need to swivel pivot to a new model, or at
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: least a hybrid of two models. About our munitions, about
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: our defense tech. Stay tuned to the UUIT Show. Chris
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Pros will be right back from Anderal Industries. Welcome back
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to America. I'm Hugh Hewett. If you miss the intro
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: of Christian Bros. He is the vice president and he's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: the president and chief strategy officer of Androil Industries. Andreil
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: is all over the country. They're building a big plant
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: in Ohio right now, which I want to salute you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: for doing that. Aaron McClain's May nineteenth School of War
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: episode is a fabulous episode. Air's really good at this, Christian,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: don't you think I think you ought to be The
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: sixty minute course on it right now.
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  Speaker 4: Is a hot button I don't want to touch. But
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  Speaker 4: I think Aaron is outstanding at what he does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's a great Part two. Part one, though,
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  Speaker 1: is what's the mess that they were talking about? The
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: message we haven't got enough of anything? Why did you
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: pick Ohio to build the barracuda in Chris Pros.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to add, I mean we're building Barracuda,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: We're building a lot of other things in Ohio in addition,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: so that Barracuda cruise missile we're building there, the Fury
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: robotic fighter jet for the United States Air Force is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: being built there, a host of other things. The reason
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: we ended up in Ohio when we made that announcement
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: of January of last year, I was on the back
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: end of over a year long search really kind of
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: diving through, you know, kind of all of the detail
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: across all of the states to determine where ultimately we
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: need to make a billion dollar investment to build out
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: you know, several million square feet of defense production capacity
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: in the United States to make all of these weaps
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: and more that you're talking about. So when when we
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: ran the analysis looking at everything from access to infrastructure
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: and airports to labor markets, I mean, everything that you
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: would imagine a company would do its due dilegence on.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: You know, we we narrowed it down to a handful
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  Speaker 4: of of states, and you know, Ohio just leaned all
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  Speaker 4: the way forward. The relationship the leadership was phenomenal from
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the governor and you know the rest of the leadership
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: team there in terms of welcoming us to the state,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: you know, really making it worth our while to to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: set up shop there and becoming an, you know, become
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: an enduring part of Ohio's industrial base and economy and society.
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  Speaker 4: You know, as as we said earlier, I mean, I've
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  Speaker 4: spent my entire childhood going back and forth to Ohio,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: visiting my relatives there, going to school there. There's a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: number of us in the in the company who are
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: very excited about the fact that we're going to Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: But I can assure everybody, you know, our personal thumbs
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  Speaker 4: on the scale did not, you know, did not lead
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  Speaker 4: to us going there. It was honestly the business case
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  Speaker 4: and the phenomenal environment that you know that Ohio has
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: to offer in terms of infrastructure, workforce, state incentives, and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: everything else.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things you described to Erin is that
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  Speaker 1: you yourself with a few weeks training and you're not technical.
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  Speaker 1: You're not a craftsman. I have less skills than you.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't even have any tools in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: my house. But you yourself could be ready to work
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: on the line or in the production with a few
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: weeks training. All you're going to need now is workforce.
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  Speaker 1: This is a problem at every shipyard in America. I
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  Speaker 1: sume it's going to be a probleminandral factories as well.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys ever thought about starting a high school
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  Speaker 1: adjacent to your plant and just training a workforce from
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  Speaker 1: nine through twelve so they're ready to go into the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: line when they turn eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's certainly something that we've discussed off
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  Speaker 4: and on. I mean, I think the real question for
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  Speaker 4: us is whether we're going to have the need for that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, part of the reason we're so excited to
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  Speaker 4: be in Ohio is we have access to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: literally millions of qualified workforce.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: You know, people who are.
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  Speaker 4: Currently working in aerospace and defense and commercial automotive and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: frankly like your higher performers at you know, Low's and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Home Depot, who have the kind of levels of technical
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: training and ability that are required to produce the defense
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: systems and weapons that we're building. And and this I
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  Speaker 4: think is the critical point, right. Part of the reason
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: our shipyards and so many of other so many of
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: our other defense industries are struggling with workforce is because
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  Speaker 4: the systems that we have designed, the military systems that
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  Speaker 4: we have designed, are so complex, they're so artisanal. The
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  Speaker 4: way that they're built requires years of master craftsmanship that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: it becomes very difficult to bring new workforce in and
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: start building quickly and building at scale. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're actually taking more of a playbook out of the
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  Speaker 4: way America used to do this back in the arsenal
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  Speaker 4: of democracy during World War Two, where you know, we
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: didn't design remarkable military requirements and wish that we had
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: an industrial base that could build them. You were designing
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  Speaker 4: military requirements that we knew the industrial base that we
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: had in America could produce and produce quickly and produce
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: at scale. Like that's how you got Rosy the riveter.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't, you know, Martha the master welder. It was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: someone who is coming in with you know, little to
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: no training and experience, who is able to get onto
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: the production line, trained up relatively quickly and start contributing
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: on a very short period of time. So that Barracuda
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: cruise missile that we're talking about that could be put
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: together with about eight tools, all of which you are
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: available at your local hardware store. This is work that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: we can train a lot of people to do very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the robotic fighter jet that I mentioned is
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: obviously a more capable system. It's a more complicated system
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: requires a bit more training, you know. But this isn't
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: you know, fourteen years to qualify as a master shipbuilder.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: This is a sort of level of skill that we believe,
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  Speaker 4: you know, lots of people in Ohio and then frankly,
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  Speaker 4: lots of other parts of the country where we're also
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: actively building, are going to be able to start contributing
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: to the reindustrializing of our defense sector very quickly, because,
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  Speaker 4: as you know better than anybody, we don't have a
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: lot of time to waste here.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't. Now. You referenced a few times in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: your conversation with Aaron that Andy Marshall used to sit
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: around in his office depending on and think about the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: War of twenty xx I think about the War of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: twenty xx too. We don't know when it's going to come,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: and we don't know how it's going to start. It
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: could very well be with a nasty surprise in a
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: lot of places and be non nuclear. How long would
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it take us to mobilize to meet our munition's mass
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: necessity in the aftermath of that kind of terrible surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think, first of all, you and
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  Speaker 4: I would agree that if you know, we wait till
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: that catastrophic surprise to start mobilizing, it could be too late.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: But if you know the bar, the question is, you know,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: at what point do we become serious? Which I think
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: we are right. I mean, I give an enormous amount
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: of credit to the current administration and the current leadership
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: of the Department of War. I mean they're starting to
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: do things. They are doing things that people have been
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: talking about doing for a very long time, and I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: think they're actually starting to do them in terms of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: large contracts for these you know, lower cost, more producible
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: weapons that we're talking about, things at Anderillos, building things
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: that a lot of other companies are building. My belief
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: is that we can we can mobilize much faster than
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: people realize. Like, it's not gonna it's not going to
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: occur in days and weeks, right, I mean, this took
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: us literally decades to get into the predicament that we
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: are in. It's going to take us a bit of
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: time to get out. You know, in the spirit of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: the old adage of you know, the best time to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: plan a tree was twenty years ago. In today, if
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: we start going today. I do believe we can stand
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: up an enormous amount of production capacity quickly. The key
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: is we have to be building weapons that are designed
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: intentionally from the get go, to be mass producible, to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: be low cost, to be weapons that the law, our
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: just possible swath of the American workforce can contribute on,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: because that's how you go fast. So, you know, just
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: to give you an example, we announced that we were
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: going to begin building in Ohio in January of last year.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: We opened the doors on the first eight hundred thousand
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: square foot production facility in the first quarter of this year,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: so barely one year later, we are already in production
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: on robotic fighter jets and cruise missiles. We have, you know,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: Ohio based workforce that are building those systems, and the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: sky's the limit in terms of being able to just
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: go faster and to scale with those systems and with others.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: So I think that this all goes a lot faster
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: than people realize if the demand signal from the US
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: government is there, if the money, the contracts, the defense
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: budget is there to back it up, which I know
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: is a huge issue of yours as it is for ours.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: I think all this happens incredibly quickly.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Chris Pros of Andrail. Don't
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: go anywhere. We're going to talk about getting the money
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: through Congress to depending on it more importantly, from Pentagon
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: to the actual builders of the weapons that we need.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Stock file stay tuned to the UU of Chef warnerback America.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Christian Grose is still with me, President and Chief Strategy
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Officer of Anderill Industries, which is, among other places in
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: California and Ohio, but across the United States. Chris, I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: have talked with Chairman Collins of Appropriations, members of the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Appropriations Committee like kellymore Capito. I've talked with a lot
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: of defense contractors. Everybody agrees. Even if we get the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Congress to appropriate, then it goes to the Pentagon, and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: the Pentagon has to allocate and push it out. You
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: can't do a cap X until the money's actually in
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: your bank account. And that there's another slow spot, another
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: narrowing of the tunnel. There is that changing fast enough
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: to get the money that Congress says spend through the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Pentagon to you at Anderill and your sister's companies.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: I think it is starting to I mean I think again.
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  Speaker 4: You know a lot of credit to this administration and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: the leadership of the current leadership of the Pentagon. I
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: do think that they are getting more money for defense,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: and they are moving it faster out to industry. But
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: you know what I also think they're demanding and demanding
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: in return, which is very important is accountability from industry
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: and buy in from industry, and the fact that industry
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: needs to put its own skin in the game. So
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: you know, funding capital investments, you know, building facilities, developing products.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: You know, these are things that the Pentagon leadership, I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: think the leadership of the White House wants to see
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: industry funding rather than having to constantly be the US
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: taxpayer on the hook for those kinds of internal investments.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: How about the capacity within the military to understand what
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: you're doing and to go with the float. There are
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, for example, in naval plans, whose
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: whole life has been built on tweaking. They tweak this,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: they tweak that, and that's their career and they end
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: up in the f Yet have they developed an adapt
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: go go go attitude that we really need right now?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: I think in any bureaucracy there's just going to be
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: a large degree of path dependence because that's what bureaucracies do,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: so I can't fault them for being what they are.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: I think this is where senior leadership is so vitally important.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: They have to set the tone. They have to sort
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: of set the aim point that we're that we're all
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: going after. They have to determine the speed with which
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: we're moving, and they need to force the institution to
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: do new and different things. Again, I think that is
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: starting to happen. I think that we still have a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: lot of work to do. There are still a lot
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: of parts of that process that are just used to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: doing things the way that things have always been done.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to throw up the same you know, reasons
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  Speaker 4: for slowing down, you know, the same objections that they
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  Speaker 4: that they always would, you know traditionally flag I just
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  Speaker 4: think that leadership is what has to push through that.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that we're starting to see that. My
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  Speaker 4: hope is it will see a lot more of that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, over the coming months and years, because there's
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  Speaker 4: an enormous amount of work to do. And I would
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  Speaker 4: say the final thing is I think it is able
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  Speaker 4: to go. It is possible to go a lot faster
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  Speaker 4: and move through a lot of these bureaucratic hurdles when
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  Speaker 4: we're doing these kinds of new and novel programs like
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  Speaker 4: andrel is performing on so you know, low cost weapons,
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  Speaker 4: autonomous systems. These are systems that almost defy the rules
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  Speaker 4: that you know, many of these processes were built upon.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, it's like you can get around the
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  Speaker 4: rules because the rules weren't written for these kinds of programs.
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  Speaker 4: You can't get around everything. But again with leadership, they
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  Speaker 4: can say, look, this is a very different type of system,
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  Speaker 4: it's a very different kind of weapon. Let's not hold
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  Speaker 4: it to the same standards that we would hold you know,
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  Speaker 4: our icbhms, you know, or our B twenty one bombers.
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  Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. So I think there's a lot of ability
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  Speaker 4: to go fast, you know, when the leadership is leaning in,
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  Speaker 4: and that's certainly I think what we're starting to see
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  Speaker 4: from the current administration.
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  Speaker 1: Two minutes to our last break, Chris bros. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to be worried about security because whatever you're building, and
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  Speaker 1: however you're building it, the Chai cooms want it right.
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  Speaker 1: How do you have even handle that? I asked that
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  Speaker 1: to the Facebook guys at their DC and they looked
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  Speaker 1: at me like I was asking them to set up Stacy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm just how do you handle security at
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  Speaker 1: a place like ANDERL.
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  Speaker 4: So the good news for Androil is from day one,
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  Speaker 4: we knew exactly who we were. We're a defense company.
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  Speaker 4: We are building weapons and weapons systems for the United
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  Speaker 4: States government, military, national security, enterprise, allies and partners. That
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  Speaker 4: from that central insight, every other decision follows our security posture.
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  Speaker 4: Who we hire, who we don't, you know, whose investment
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: we take, whose we won't. So when it comes to security,
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  Speaker 4: this has been absolutely mission critical from the beginning and
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  Speaker 4: it cuts across everything we do in terms of the
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  Speaker 4: security of the systems that we're building, the security of
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  Speaker 4: the facilities that we're working in, you know, the ways
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  Speaker 4: in which we you know, kind of understand what's happening
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  Speaker 4: inside of our own company and our networks, the cyber
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  Speaker 4: hardening and the cyber posture of the company, which is
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  Speaker 4: world class. You know, we are we are adopting i
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  Speaker 4: think a security standard that is second to none in
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  Speaker 4: the industry and probably in the world. Because we know
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  Speaker 4: that every single day the Chinese Communist Party and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of other bad actors are trying to break in,
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  Speaker 4: figure out what we're doing, compromise our systems, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: We are under that kind of assault. You know we're
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  Speaker 4: holding up to it because you know, this is the
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  Speaker 4: standard that we set for ourselves, and this is the
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  Speaker 4: kind of trusted partner that we want and have to
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  Speaker 4: be for the United States Government and our allies around
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  Speaker 4: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Is with me for one more second. He is the
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  Speaker 1: of Anderil Industries. If you want more, you can get
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  Speaker 1: his book, The Kill Chain. It is read like he's
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  Speaker 1: on coding.
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  Speaker 12: Uh, it's very very you warrened Aaron binclain, you'd been thick.
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  Speaker 12: It's a lot with COVID, Yeah, and so you got
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  Speaker 12: to do it at one point two on the speed.
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  Speaker 12: But it's very, very interesting and very true how we
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  Speaker 12: got here. On the other hand, when you got to
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  Speaker 12: the end with Aaron McLain, you were talking about things
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  Speaker 12: that most of my audience won't understand. The Series eight
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  Speaker 12: sixty one billion dollar investment, the investment environment for startup
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  Speaker 12: defense company.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be great. How many and rules and I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean making what you make, but in the space
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  Speaker 1: that you're in trying to do what you do, how
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  Speaker 1: many are there? I hope the answer is at least
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: one hundred.
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  Speaker 4: So the great news is, you know, in this world
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: of venture backed defense technology companies. You know, so we're
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: talking about companies that are privately held, that are trying
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: to create something out of nothing, that are raising private
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: capital from venture capital firms and you know, other private
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: capital markets. That ecosystem of companies has never been more vibrant, larger,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: you know, more exciting, probably than ever before. I mean,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: if you roll the clock back nine years ago when
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: when Anderil got started, there weren't a lot of companies
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  Speaker 4: doing this, and there was very few investors who wanted
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: to make that investment. They didn't believe that defense was
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: a place where you could build a viable business, certainly
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  Speaker 4: not on a timeline that made sense. And many of them,
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  Speaker 4: frankly didn't believe that it was work worth doing. They
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  Speaker 4: viewed it as you know, morally compromised or evil. We
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  Speaker 4: have come an enormously long way as a country and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: as a segment of our market in that period of time.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, as I sit here today, there are dozens
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: and dozens and hundreds of companies doing this work. I mean, obviously,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: you know, Andreil is at a very different scale. We've
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  Speaker 4: been doing this longer. You know, we've been very successful.
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  Speaker 4: We've raised a lot of money, we've grown an enormous amount.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think that part of what we're doing
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  Speaker 4: is showing people that this works, showing people that this
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  Speaker 4: is something that the US government is hungry for, that
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: there's a market for this, that engineers want to come
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  Speaker 4: in and do this work. They want to build defense
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  Speaker 4: technology and weapons that you can make a profitable business
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  Speaker 4: out of this. And I think that you know, we're
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: now seeing, you know, some of these companies start to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: separate themselves as well. So you know, when all is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: said and done, No, I don't think there will only
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: be one Androill, but I don't think there are going
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  Speaker 4: to be a ton. I do think that there will
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: be more than one. I think that's exciting. I think
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  Speaker 4: there's an enormously exciting period of time coming here. As
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  Speaker 4: you know, the better performers separate themselves from the pack,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: They're going to see interesting consolidations and mergers and acquisitions,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: which is exactly the way capitalism should work. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, the you know,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: the warfighter and the taxpayer are going to be way
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: better off for it, because we're making the American defense
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  Speaker 4: industrial base more like what it has been over the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: course of American history, which is not you know, this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: very consolidated, very stagnant segment of the economy that we've
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: seen over the past generation, since the end of the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: Cold War, but something where you have you know, many
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  Speaker 4: many companies, large companies small medium sized companies, you know,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: all doing really exciting work, all viable businesses, some of
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: whom have active commercial businesses in addition to their defense businesses.
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  Speaker 4: And again, this is American capitalism in the service of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: American defense, which to me is something that I think
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  Speaker 4: we've lost the plot on over the past generation. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're getting it back with some real with
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  Speaker 4: some real enthusiasm here over the past.
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  Speaker 1: Let me close with the most alarming thing you said
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  Speaker 1: to Erin, which is that an Operation Spider Web could
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  Speaker 1: happen here. That's where the Ukrainians using commercial trucking took
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: their drones deep into Russia, launched their drones, took out
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  Speaker 1: a third of their strategic bombers, and forever they're not
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: being produced anymore. We're vulnerable to that. And I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone sits around an Anderil in a
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  Speaker 1: room like Andy Marshall's and tries to imagine the best
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  Speaker 1: and the worst, the necessary and that which can't be imagined.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a room like that? Have you got
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: a crazy room where people try and think about the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: future of warfare?
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  Speaker 4: My strong belief is that probably every room at Anderil
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  Speaker 4: is a bit of a crazy room certainly thinking about
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  Speaker 4: the future, and every one of the rooms at the company.
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  Speaker 4: Look to your point about Spider's Web. I mean, this
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  Speaker 4: is something that keeps me up at night. I still
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  Speaker 4: think as a country we haven't processed what has happened
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: over the past five to ten years in terms of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: the proliferation of drone technology. How easy it is for
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: countries and bad actors to get their hands on this,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: you know, to build dark drones that are you know,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: something that you're not going to recognize just with you know,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: kind of commercial means. These are systems that are overflying
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: if public you know, published reports are to be believed,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: they're overflying US military installations, bases, critical infrastructure somewhat routinely.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're seeing the kinds of attacks in and
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: overflights in Europe, in the Middle East. So I think
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  Speaker 4: we as a country we still have not gotten our
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  Speaker 4: minds around the scale of the threat and the vulnerability
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: we have. I fear that we still have too much
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: of a September tenth mindset for what is a September
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  Speaker 4: eleventh scale problem. So, you know, this is certainly work
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: that Anderil is doing in terms of drone defense, counter
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: drone and air defense. We're doing an enormous amount to
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: support US war fighters, Allied warfighters, homeland defense. But I
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  Speaker 4: think this is something that we have a heck of
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: a lot more work to do on and not a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: lot of time to do it here in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So a very last question. Hubris has always been the
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  Speaker 1: enemy of a great power. And I heard you talking
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: with Aaron about the Cinity, and we can go down
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: that road, but Hubris usually defeats great power. They don't
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: see it coming. Do you think we are on alert
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to the threat that we face from the CCP and
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: there are other rogue states out there you just mentioned.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a superpower. It can be
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: a little power with a couple of drunes. Are we
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: on alert?
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  Speaker 4: I think that we are more so than when I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: wrote that book six years ago. Certainly, you know, more
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: so than when I was working for John McCain in
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: the Senate ten years ago. I think that we have
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: come a long way in recognizing the threat that we're facing,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: the problems that we're facing, the degree to which we
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: have to get our own internal house in order, you know.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: And I think the silver lining of all The bad
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: news of late is that we're seeing examples in the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: real world, through epic Fury, through the war in Ukraine,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: about how vulnerable we actually are, how far off we
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: actually are in terms of things like our munitions inventories
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: and our defense spending, and just generally the health and
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: status of our industrial base. I do think the good
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: news is that's changing. I think people look at the
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: fact that we are expending all of these high end
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: munitions in the opening days and weeks of these operations
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: around the world, and you can't but not draw the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: conclusion that we just need an order of magnitude increase,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: you know, in our defense arsenal, in our weapons inventory.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: I think you've got companies like Androl and a lot
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: of other companies that are adding to our ability to
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: build it. I think you have an administration that is
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: excited and energized and motivated to get after it, and
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: I think with that you can do an enormous amount,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: and hopefully we will over the coming months and years.
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  Speaker 1: That is great. Christian Brogs, President Chief Strategy, Optor Andro,
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  Speaker 1: author of the Kill Chain, which has been out for
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: six years but still really like it, came out yesterday
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: thank you for joining me up. We will come back
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: to when there's updates to be had. Stay tuned, America.
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  Speaker 1: I'll wrap up today
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  Speaker 2: If you Dealership