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DDH - Malthusiasm! · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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I gave way to your own past, if you wish, but survival depends
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on drastic measures continued. Existence represent the
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collective well-being of society, your lives means slow,
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I get to talk to you. It is our three Bill make live
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on Tuesday Morning, the 14th day of February 20, 23, Happy
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Valentine's Day. For those of you who celebrate
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such things, we celebrate history on these Tuesday's in
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this 8:00 hour to do that. We bring in our buddy, Dave
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Bowman from Silverdale, Washington for what we call
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Dave, does history. We've got links today's podcast
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and is Peepers history stuff at Bill mc.com, the show page,
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today entitled, go on strike. Feel the results, those kids at
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Tulane adults at Tulane who are still playing at being kids,
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thinking they should be entitled to oh whatever it is.
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They're getting as compensation for being graduate assistants
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and even though they're on strike not doing the job, that's
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kind of funny. Anyway, it's in the first hour
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podcast, you'll find the podcast later at Bill mc.com and on the
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bill, make why I heart radio channel de bohun.
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How are you Today sir, I'm having a happy Valentine's Day.
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Well good, I'm glad you are and it's awful early in the morning
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to so good for you. Wow, my wife's out of town.
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So, Well then will not tell her you're having a happy valentine
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right. Me plant.
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Yeah, okay. Yeah, you know you have to be
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lamenting the she's not there so you can express your love.
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Yes, I guess I am. She's she's doing great.
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I bought her some flowers, took them with her and it's great,
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very, very cool. Well, you know, I've never met
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camp but she seems like a sweet lady.
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Yes, she is. Okay, she's part.
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What else you going to say? Dave, it's on the radio on the
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podcast show here at some point. Yeah, well I did talk about some
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things on the what the frog broadcasts, this weekend that
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editor asking me questions. Oh, that's good.
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I'm only 20 minutes into that. So I have to catch up and see
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what's going on. That'll be fun.
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Of course, you can catch all the days podcast on the iHeartRadio
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app. Just look for the Dave Bowman
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show. More plausibly lie would get you
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there. Dave, what are we doing
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history-wise today? My friend know what makes start
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Trek the Original Series. Now as you know I don't
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particularly care for the other shows but one may what does it
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then make Star Trek the Original Series.
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So great, any ideas that is Wagon, Train To the Stars, the
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Roddenberry had a great idea and he made it about people and he
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made it about relationships, minute about stories.
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Yeah, but the biggest thing, the biblical the biggest
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philosophical difference between Star Trek, the Original Series,
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and most modern science fiction. Is the type of thinking that
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that goes behind it, Star Trek the Original Series.
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And from this point for when I say Star Trek, I just mean the
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original series will just stipulate that, okay?
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The thinking is very utopian, the future is very bright.
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In fact, it's so bright. We have to wear shades because
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things while they're not perfect are getting better every day as
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opposed to the dystopian thinking in most science fiction
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today. Which is just a post-apocalyptic
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world where I alien races are out to have humans for lunch or
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whatever. Everything's going to hell in a
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handbasket. Hey wait, that's a segment on
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the show, you know where people are treating each other worse
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and worse and things are getting, you know, even 1984 the
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book by George. Orwell is kind of very Very
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depressing. And it gets to the point where,
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you know, one of the reasons I watch Star Trek is because it is
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positive. Even when it takes on very
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negative things, Star Trek tends to put it a very positive out
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part of the reason for that is Star.
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Trek was made about a generation after the end of World War Two.
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The Holocaust was really coming to mind in the Holocaust really
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became Front thinking in the early 1960s, when Alfred would
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Alfred, Adolf Eichmann was captured and put on trial and
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everybody openly saw all of this stuff that had happened.
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So, here we are a generation later with this TV show that's
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taking on these very negative things in contemporary culture
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and putting a very positive spin on them.
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The problem is that most of history when it's used
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interpretive lie, the opposite happens.
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So we'll take something in history that was If not
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positive, at least, not as negative as its portrayed and we
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start using it in negative ways and for negative logic and -
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reasoning and this leads to destructive policies and
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destructive interpretations of history.
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Now, the other thing to keep in mind here is that nothing
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happens in a vacuum. Everything is action and
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reaction. Nothing ever.
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Just Happens. You know what I mean?
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It's it's hard to explain to people, but action and reaction
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go hand-in-hand and usually with very unpredictable results.
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with us with Dave does history. So, a little action and
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reaction, Dave, and unpredictable results when it
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occurs. Where you taking us here?
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Let's go back. A few weeks.
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You had a caller and I you're going to have to forgive me.
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I don't remember the date. I do remember that UI and Rod
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had quite the conversation about it afterwards, on the text
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machine. Hmm, you got a call it that
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brought up the Pope that issued the papal bull that resulted in
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the killing of cats throughout Europe.
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Yeah, I remember the call. Sure.
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So this actually happened, this really did happen.
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One of the Pope's issued a Papal.
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A bowl. That did not tell people to kill
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cats. What it told them was that cats
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are quote familiars of the devil, unquote, particularly
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black cats, Now, millions of Europeans, read this and went
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will have cats are familiars of the devil black cats.
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Then other cats are related to those black cats.
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So they might be Servants of the familiars of the devil.
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We should get rid of all the cats and they started to kill
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cats. They started to eradicate cats
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in Europe, right around the time ships were arriving carrying
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rats. Which had been infected with the
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bubonic plague? So, you could argue that the end
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result of the Pope's. Papal bull, was that millions of
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Europeans died of the Bubonic plague, and infantile plague You
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could argue that. And in fact, many people do hmm.
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But if you were to go to the Planet of the guardian of
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forever step through the time portal there and go back to that
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date and say to the pope. Hey Don't do that.
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If you do that, millions of people are going to die.
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What changes, what does anything actually?
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Improved is anything actually get better question going back
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and kill Hitler. If you could write right, what
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if there's somebody watching me you don't have Hitler.
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Well, what if there's somebody worse?
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Yeah, and this is the problem. We assume that things would be
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better. but the, the entropic effects that is the fact that
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all systems decline, tell us that That's simply not the case
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that that just because we stopped that papal bull, doesn't
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mean there aren't priests or archbishop's or whatever out
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there saying, hey, cats are the familiars of the devil and you
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should get rid of them. Nor does it nor does it take
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into account? The fact that cats by the way,
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are in fact, some of the most forgotten the word for it.
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I want to say virulent, but that doesn't, that's not correct.
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There are so many transmitters. Yes, there's the best carriers
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of the Bubonic plague in in in the first place.
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So if the cat's hadn't hadn't been eradicated, How do we know
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that the Bubonic plague? The Black Death is even worse?
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Because now you not only have rats carrying it around biting
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people. Now you have cats and if you own
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a cat you know what I'm talking about?
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Scratching you and biting you and nipping at you all infected
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with bubonic like how do we know that Millions more?
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Don't die. Because of this.
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So in that vein, maybe the pope was right to to declare cats,
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the familiars of the devil and try to get rid of them.
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Can you see that argument does? What you're saying here is that
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all these decisions are made in the blind anyway no matter how
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well intended they maybe they're not made in a vacuum but they
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all have equal part reaction and action and what happens is we
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start interpreting things. We look at this.
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Oh the papal bull issued the cats, the cats weren't there to
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kill the rats there for the pope killed.
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Millions of people is the argument goes But when we start
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to really look at it, we discover that that may not
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necessarily be the case. In, in fact, maybe if we hadn't
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killed the cats things could have been worse, which by the
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way, is the same. Argument that kodos the
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Executioner uses in Star Trek. When he says, I had to kill half
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the people because if I didn't all the people would die, I
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remember that. Yeah.
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Is it a right argument? Is it a bad argument?
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Is a good argument, and we start getting into these moral
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dilemmas, where nothing is, as I said happening in a vacuum and
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that's what causes us to sometimes, take the, the issue
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at hand misinterpret it and then misapply it going forward.
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You mean like knee-jerk reactions by legislative bodies
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when things like Parkland happen or Michigan State last night
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happened. So now, We've got to do
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something, even if it is wrong. Yeah, in many ways that's very,
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very similar, isn't it? Yeah, it does seem that way.
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They Bowman with us for this Edition.
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A Dave does history as we're taking a look basically at
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unintended or unforeseeable maybe consequences that
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decisions has he says are not made in the vacuum.
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We're not talking in a vacuum. Either will let you in on it in
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our final segment of the day. But stick around Dave, always
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with interesting perspective, from history that give us a few
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Let there be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons
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and necking in The Parlor. Dave does history, our weekly
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Journey Through the Wayback machine.
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Dave, Bowman is with us on filmic live.
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We talked a little fictional history and we've talked
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unintended consequences, Dave, where are we going?
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Now, if this trip I guess it's the 1790s we're going to indeed.
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Let us go back to the 1790 the mid 1790s when life was great
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and everybody. I was happy right?
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I'm guessing No, No. In fact, in France, they were
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cutting people's heads off and almost as quickly as they
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possibly could. And this is an interesting
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event, you know, we talked about things not happening happening
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in a vacuum, the French Revolution has a massive effect
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on America. It really splits the country
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into two segments, one very pro-french led by Jefferson one
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variation. Anti-french led by John Adams,
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and they become the political battles over that are
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incredible. But in England, the fear because
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remember England is a monarchy And here's a country that has
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just executed the king anyone's already done that once, and now
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Anarchy is raining. And there's just this absolute
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fear amongst the Gentry and the political classes.
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Of a French type rebellion in England.
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Now, I don't think we don't think we comprehend How Deeply
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that fear was, but eventually, the economics of the situation
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result in prices being raised on food in England, And the bread
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gets so expensive. That the working classes can't
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afford it. So what's the solution?
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The British come up with this haphazard system called the
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Speen Hamlin system in which local governments.
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This is never a national policy, but the local governments start
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taking money taxing. From the landed gentry.
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The landowners, give us some of your money will buy bread and
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Grain and we will Give it Dole it out to the, to the lower
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working classes and that way, they won't Rebel and cut your
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head off. Make sense.
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Mmm. So what you have here is a
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system of government giveaways But it's locally-based not
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National, it's supported do something.
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The local way would be the way to do it.
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You would think, right? You would president big National
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program, you would think, but keep in mind, this is also kind
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of the early part of the very Progressive Era.
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So the big government in London is looking at this going, we
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have to do something, you know, because we got to protect the
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king. The idea, the spin.
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Hamlin system is actually Luke warmly supported by the
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landowners because they're afraid of the, the Rebellion
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from the lower classes in England.
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At the same time, they hate it because it takes money from
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their coffers. They're being taxed.
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Although it's not really a tax. They're just being basically
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held up by the local government saying, give us your money.
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So we can protect you, but they also like it because they can
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look at this and go. Well, since we're being taxed
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for this, we're going to we're going to pay you less for your
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work because you're getting bread from from the government.
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So, where it's depressing wages at the same time, so they kind
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of like that. that they kind of don't like it but everybody's
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nervous about getting their heads cut off and that's why
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they come up with the system known as the spin Hamlin system
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and its that system That is going to.
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Change history. In a lot of ways, we'll talk
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about that in just 30 seconds. Dave does history on Bill make
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live and as he does so we there, I got a kind of button that
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would know. Dave does history on Bill
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McLaughlin and glad Dave is along with us as we're taking a
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look at a system in Great Britain.
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Now where Decisions not made in a vacuum and affecting all parts
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of the economy. Dave, get us into.
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Hmm I was thinking about buttons and Valentine's Day but that's
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another story for another day. So The spin Hamlin system is
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maintaining the status quo, but it's also depressing wages which
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is ticking off the workers, but it's keeping them fed, which is
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keeping them calm. Parliament notices, this the
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Prime Minister notices this and they, they proposed a new law to
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basically nationalize the spin Hamlin system to provide
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workhouses, and that sort of thing.
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And this law Gets some unexpected support.
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There's a young reverend in the area were also studied economics
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in. When he was at school, he went
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to Christ college. At Cambridge, got his got his
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degree in economics and was ordained and he is a well-known,
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reverend in the area, keep omelet, he writes a pamphlet
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which supports the government's so-called poor laws that are
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being proposed For the moment. And in this, in this pamphlet,
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he really praises the idea of government helping out with,
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with this stuff of government providing for food to the
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populations. And it seems a very, very
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religious oriented mentality. It's a very what you would
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expect I guess, from, from a reverend of that era.
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But for some reason and we don't really know why he doesn't
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publish the pamphlet. The pamphlet goes unpublished,
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although we have copies of it, it never gets widely
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distributed. And in Parliament, the poor laws
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which are essentially raising taxes on the middle class and
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upper classes, particularly the middle class because that's what
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you do. It goes down in defeat and so
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nothing changes in England and the spin Hamlin systems around
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the country stay into effect, T', with the intention of
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preventing. A France, a French Rebellion
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type situation, thus saving the lives of the landed gentry and
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the crown and maintaining the status quo.
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But this young Reverend who's watching all this is in the
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middle of developing a very very influential Theory.
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And he's going to publish this theory in 1798.
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It will become one of the most controversial most impactful and
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I guess as devastating as the papal bull that eliminated cats
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in some ways. Every population control idea
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that you have ever heard in the last 200 years comes from this,
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Reverend who writes this pamphlet in 1798, his name is
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Thomas Malthus. And he is Born This Day.
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February 14th, 1766. This is his birthday, which is
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why I chose him. His theory, you've probably
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heard it referred to as malthusian is the idea, very
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simply put the idea that populations have to be
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controlled, at least. That's what we're told that the
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theory is that as human population, increases food
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production can't keep up and consequently, bad things happen.
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So you're talking about Controlling the numbers of
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people, not what the population itself does.
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But how many there are exactly the theory, the Neo malthusian
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Theory today goes, we got to we got to rein in population
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because we don't the Earth is going to die.
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There's too many people. Have you heard this?
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We've got, we have to, we have to put and contraceptives.
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This was actually proposed by one person in the early 70s.
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We have to put Septums in the water supply and you should have
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to have a permit from the government to have any children
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at all because population as mouth whose predicted is
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outstripping. Food production, and we'll check
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McLaughlin three, two, one, seven, six, eight, twelve forty
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let you do it. So this malthusian Theory Dave
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says The population grows, we can't keep up with food
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production, so what are we gonna do?
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And how does it impact? What's going on?
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Well, the theory like you said, human population, increases
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food, production can't keep up. This is cause always causes War
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famine. Now this is taken in a 20th
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century by what are known as Neil malthusians and people like
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Paul Ehrlich in his book the population bomb start talking
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about. The population growth as a
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Cancer and if you just treat the symptoms, it may make the victim
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more comfortable but eventually does but a similar fate awaits
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the world with a population explosion.
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If only the symptoms are treated, we must shift our
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efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to cutting out the
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cancer. So if the cancer is too many
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people, this may appear to be brutal and heartless.
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Allah kodos the Executioner, and the pain may be intense, but
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this will solve the problem. He writes in 1968, This idea
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that the first green new green new deal.
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I don't think it's the first one but it certainly is the one that
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you know in 1968 began a lot of the more modern thought about
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it. Abortion every argument for
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abortion is based in Neil malthusian you know thought we
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population destruction population.
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Decrease you know, we're how many times have you seen this
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argument the last year about how having an abortion is a good
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thing? Because I'm not bringing a child
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into the world to make the world worse mentality.
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This, this Theory leads to a lot of Destruction and a lot of
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belief in various meet of population control across the
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board. Which is absolutely weird
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because much like the pope and his bull.
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Mouth is didn't believe in population control, at least not
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in the way that these people are talking about.
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He wrote population went unchecked increases these
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things, but he had the idea of positive checks and preventive
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checks, positive checks, such as disease, War fat and famines
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genocides are factors which mouth is believed would increase
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the death rate automatically. But you could also use
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preventive checks, which were things like moral restraint
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abstinence, and birth control, which were ideas that were
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unheard of really. Reverend's didn't talk about
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those kinds of things in the 1790s.
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You just didn't, you know, you you really didn't put that out
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there but he believed that teaching people to control their
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impulses would be a better solution than just as Paul Eric.
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Ehrlich will later come up with excising the cancer from the
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World. Ultimately nothing happens in a
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vacuum Bill, and you have this. This war, this revolution in
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France, that causes economic uphill in England, upheaval in
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England, which leads to the government's ideas about social
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welfare, which causes us. Reverend to write this this
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Theory, which by the way, you know, gets ignored as far as his
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observations, they just take the Baseline of his theory which is
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population growing bad. Therefore we must cut Elation
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and that leads to Modern things like the population.
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Bomb abortion, and virtually every population control measure
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that you've heard of in the last 250 years, comes out of this
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interpretation of What's called the malthusian crunch.
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This idea that population grows too fast and out.
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It goes all this brought To Us by a guy who was born on
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Valentine's Day in 1766, Thomas Malthus Interesting.
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And I lost just that quickly. I lost we're back in 60 seconds.
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Dave does history, your calls coming up on Bill, make lat.
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So David came to me that even this unpublished Theory, got out
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there enough that it made changes there.
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Even impactful a debt. Well, this theory was actually
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published. It was his, it was his defense
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of the government system that wasn't published.
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So okay. But yeah, and it, you know, it
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just strikes me as odd because one of the more fascinating
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discussions I've been in in the last week because I'm weird and
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I'm A nerd and a Star Trek gate was an argument about whether or
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not kodos was right. You know, in executing half the
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population in a science fiction book.
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Well, if you actually read malthus's Theory, it's not a bad
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starting point but at no point. Does he Advocate killing people
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or calling the population? But somehow, or another that
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theory has become Let us let us call populations.
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And we refer to these people as malthusians, which is kind of
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unfair because Malthus himself, never advocated for that.
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In fact, I think he would have been appalled by it.
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Yeah. But that's the way history goes.
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Let's get to the phones line. One, your own bill make live
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with Dave Bowman. Good morning.
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Hey, Dave and Bill. How about your buddy?
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Bill Gates, he wants to reduce the population by 80%.
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Doesn't say how. But it's along the lines of what
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you guys are talking about. There's got to be a humane way
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to get rid of eighty percent of the people on the planet, right?
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You have a suggestion? Steve I don't, I don't know.
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I I was thinking about taking the walk people and have them go
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fight in the Ukraine war. I'm just, you know, I'm just
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throwing out ideas here that could be a way to go.
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Dave, any thoughts there? We could certainly make that
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argument that Gates is the theory of population.
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Reduction comes from a Neo malthusian ideology.
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I don't know that Bill Gates knows that, I don't know that
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he's ever sat down and gone. He had a Thomas Malthus said, we
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should do this a long time ago, but I'm sure he's heard that at
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some point because we all have, we've all heard this idea that
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we have to reduce population in communist China.
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Or as I refer to West Taiwan they have operated under that
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theory, for years. That it is, it really about
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population reduction or is it about population control and
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maintaining power? And that's Now, that's where you
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end up on. A lot of this stuff is that it's
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really about maintaining power as opposed to actually saving
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anything. Because again Malthus was very
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clear about he believed that population growth was the key to
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a successful Society but somehow or another that's been turned
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into by other people. It's been turned into the idea
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that we have to call eighty percent of the population or 40
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percent of whatever whatever percentage.
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Whatever nut job is out there talking about at that particular
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Point by that amount. And what frustrates me is that
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like the pope being blamed for the cat's mouth is born this day
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and 1776 happy happy Thomas Malthus birthday and Valentine's
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Day. He's blamed for this and yet it
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really wasn't his idea. This was the, this was people
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taking his idea and turning it into a way of controlling people
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a spin Hamlin system as it were of population control.
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And he would have not been happy about that.
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I could see that they, in those days, you had very
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contemplatively people who, like, Malthus would write their
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theories, would write their pamphlets would Published would
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be, it. Seems like we had better
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thinkers then, we've got the day, more long-term thinkers and
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whether they paid attention to them or not, that people at
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least thought out what they were proposing to some conclusion
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down the road and it got perverted by some or it was
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followed truly but are especially in our lawmakers.
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Are we not seeing that ability? Be an exercise?
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Well, I have two theories about that.
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My number one thing. Areas that I don't think people
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think that much anymore they react to popular opinion.
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So you post a meme that says something that's completely
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false but it sounds good. And all of a sudden people are
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talking about the mimo. This is right, this is
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beautiful. This is whatever and not
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thinking about the actual ideas behind it.
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Hmm. The other problem that we have
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is, and I, you know, I've been harping on this for years bill.
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And that is that our political thinking class of today, not
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just politicians but political thinking class is grossly
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uneducated. They do not know history.
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They do not know why things were done, the way that they were
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done, and because of that, they assumed that had they been
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there. We would have done it better.
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They don't understand how things got to where they are.
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And that causes them to make false conclusions about things
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that they haven't thought through.
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By my way, of pure example, right now, there's a movement in
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this country to do away with the electoral college, right?
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We've all heard of this national public vote.
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Popular vote. Sorry.
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Who do you hear? Arguing against that?
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All you hear is how great this idea is Republican, Senators,
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used to do commercials for it, because this is a great idea.
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This is Is democracy. This is this is what we're
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supposed to be and not one of them can answer the question.
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Well if that's what we were supposed to be, why didn't they
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make it that way? And when you ask them that
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question, what you get is gears grinding or you get yelled at
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because you are not, you're not, you know, part of the team.
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You're not doing things the right way, you're a bigot, your
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whatever you want to suppress votes, which is totally the
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opposite and it's Malthus in action.
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It's here you take this theory that really describes how
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population's work and you turn it into something that it never
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was, which is the idea of population control.
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I think it's an education. Call before word done Dave line,
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one your own bill make live good morning well it's nice to hear
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some quotes from the context of the King after Paris.
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Yeah, absolutely. Are correct.
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I believe either Peter Singer or the other person you mentioned,
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talk about the population bomb was on 60 Minutes like in the
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last two months after almost everything that they've
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advocated has been disproved. Somehow he got on 60 minutes
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ago. Have I want to say Peter Singer
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And well, just wondering your thoughts on how this stuff is
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still getting out there. I think a lot of it goes back to
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what Dave was saying that we aren't thinkers that.
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We grab onto what sounds like a positive idea and folks run with
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it. Dave thoughts there.
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Yeah I would say the same thing. I mean I haven't watched 60
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Minutes in 30 years so I couldn't say who's been on it or
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who hasn't been on it but yeah this is a Popular.
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This was a thought that people go.
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Okay. Well the Earth is dying.
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We're the problem. This is how many times have we
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seen this? Very scenario, as a plot to TV
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shows and movies. We've got to do this and so
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someone comes along who still spouting that and still fighting
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the good fight to to control population.
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Of course, they're going to be on 60 Minutes because they don't
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have anything, you know, actions an hour to cover something,
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right? They got to do it.
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Dave Bowman, Dave does history. I appreciate all the effort, my
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friend look forward to next week.
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We'll see you on Tuesday.