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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP19 - Loki, The God Of...? · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Hello everyone and welcome to the random Heathen ramblings
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podcast, where we discuss all sorts of things Germanic,
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Heathen re related. My name is Jessie.
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I am your host. Let's get into it.
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Hello, welcome back everyone, hail and well met.
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So the random Heathen ramblings podcast, returning back in full
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force after yet another week, long Hiatus.
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If you guys follow me on social media, you know, mainly
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Facebook, Instagram, I try to keep up with Twitter, but
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Twitter doesn't seem to get the same level of interaction.
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So if you follow me there, you don't see much.
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I don't know. To tell you.
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I'm not a social media Master when it comes to keeping track
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with everything I do, all I can to try to stay in the relevant
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news feeds on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube mainly.
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But if you guys follow me on my socials, you knew last week I
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took a week off. Because I went to the beach, I
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went to Gulf Shores, Alabama, with my month, with my wife and
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spent the week down there, we actually spent some time with
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our tribal go, the wolf him, and his mom went down there, and it
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was a very spontaneous decision to go at the same time that they
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did. It actually stems from the
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conversation that we all had over here at our house, my wife
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and I House. And yeah, he was talking about
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how he was going to be taking a week vacation down there, you
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know, the week following Memorial Day.
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So not Memorial Day weekend, but they were going to be getting
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down there on Memorial Day Monday and spending that week
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into the first few days of June. And, you know, it started off as
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hey, you know, Mister would you like to go?
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And I said, yeah, baby, you should go and it just kind of
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snowballed into We're both going and it started off as we're
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going to stay a couple of days and then it turned into.
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We're going to we're going to stay pretty much the whole week.
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We never getting down there late on Monday and we left early, I
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really early, but we left Friday afternoon and it was a much
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needed break. Let me tell you guys.
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So as most of you probably know if you have been following me
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now, excuse me, I need to take a drink of water because for some
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reason, my throat is a bit dry. That's rude.
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That's the other thing too. Is like allergies or something.
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Is been kicking my tuckus or my tush.
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My buttocks here, lately, keeping it, you know, PG for the
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kiddos. Anyways, if you guys been
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following me, you know, that back in April, my father passed
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away. I was away for a duration
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because of that and then You know, I don't know.
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It's just All of that and then coming back and getting into the
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swing of things with like work and and whatnot.
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I never really had time to just decompress and find a place to
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really and truly disconnect from Everyday life, you know, social
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media and stuff like that. I know you guys, follow me on
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Facebook and Instagram and YouTube, and Twitter and all
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that. And I try to share some things
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just to keep, you know, things relevant.
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But you know, no podcast last week, very little content in
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general and that was really what I needed, you know, I really
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just needed to Sit on a beach and enjoy the water.
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Enjoy listening. Listen to music, have some
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drinks. You know, that beach life dude
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is like I can go out here to the river and go out into the into
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the woods and it's a different kind of I don't know, it's a
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different kind of experience the the elements, the, the forces of
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nature, the spirits, that exist by the Sea, and in the sea are
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different than what exists here in a landlocked state, not in a
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bad way, just a different way. And it was so healing and so
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wholesome, you know, to be able to spend several days with a
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Kinsman with my wife and just enjoy it, not have it like me.
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To care about what time it was, you know.
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Yeah, sure. We wanted to get up early to get
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a nice spot on the beach and whatnot, but there was no like,
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oh, I've got to do this at a certain specific time, you know,
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no deadlines, no, nothing like that and it was great.
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So it was much needed to just decompress disconnect recharge.
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So we're back. Now, we're back here to to
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podcast again and got a good one lined up today, I hope.
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But before we get into the topic, I do want to get some
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sort of housekeeping, things out of the way.
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Here in about a week or so week and a half I guess well less
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than a week and a half, but coming up here soon is the Raven
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Moon Hearth hosted event soon. Upload, they hold this every
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year and it is their Midsummer public event.
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That is hosted by Raven Moon Hearth in Springfield,
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Tennessee. I'm going to be linking the
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details for that in the description and show notes of
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this podcast. So as I say with every event
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that's happening in our area, please check it.
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If you're relatively close or you haven't heard about it yet
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and you want to make that trip, it is a one-day event, it's a
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Saturday sort of thing. So, you know, come in, I think
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the doors as it were open, all you can arrive by 10 a.m. and
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there's going to be, you know, there's a, there's a ticket
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entry fee and it's an all-day thing.
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So you're going to get lunch, you're going to get dinner.
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You're going to have classes to listen to about, you know,
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talking about the the midsummer time of year or solstice. time
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of year, there's going to be ritual is going to be games,
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it's going to be Fellowship, is gonna be all kinds of fun stuff,
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so and then after the ritual, they'll be usually like Fireside
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Fellowship drumming whatever, so definitely check that out in the
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description and or podcast show notes and Come out and hang out
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with some heathens and pagans in the area following that event.
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We are also going to be hosting an outdoor potluck, picnic, or
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barbecue, sort of thing. When I say we I'm talking about
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my tribe, clearly the folk. And so that's going to be in
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Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and details for that will also be
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linked in the description and show notes of this podcast.
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And that's just essentially, a chance for folks who are looking
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to maybe Find a hidden Kindred in the area.
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Tribe such Kindred, use those terms somewhat interchangeably,
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come out and meet us, get to know who we are very, very small
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at the moment, but not looking to necessarily recruit but
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looking to put ourselves in the public eye and give people a
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chance to learn. What we are about.
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You know, what are our vision is?
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As a dramatic even tribe and What we're about and so enjoy
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some good food you know it's in a sheltered Pavilion so you
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don't have to worry about rain or anything like that.
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It's probably gonna be warm but hey, that's Tennessee for you,
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right? It's Tennessee.
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In June and, you know, I always, I always get a kick out of
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people and I've been one of them to, you know, I am definitely
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not the type of person that enjoys the heat.
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I am I am a Northman by Blood, I was born and raised in the state
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of New York, you know. And so that that cold blood as
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as it were definitely runs through my veins and this
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oppressive hot humid, you know, boggy swampy tight, whether that
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Tennessee is famous for this time of year is definitely not
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up my alley but in the same token I'm like there's so many
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events that end up happening when weather is not perfect.
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You know, either it's very Cold, very hot stormy, you know,
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rainy, whatever. And pagans, don't come out to
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these things. And I'm like, wait a minute, you
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guys are all about nature, you know, nature-based religion.
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This that thing the other. And yet, you won't come out and
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experience the forces of nature and, and connect with people in
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that sort of way. It's kind of odd.
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You may, you may want to rethink your lives.
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They're my friends, not scolding you, but I'm just giving you
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some things to think about, you know, we are, we are people of
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the land. And nature is a big part, a
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central part of our belief systems in many different,
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people's lives and in many different ways.
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But it, you know, we don't live On this Earth.
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We're Not Just on this Earth. We are this Earth.
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We are people of this Earth. You know, we're not living on
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the earth. We are living.
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Of the earth. We are part of her.
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Experience her and all of her, bipolar Glory.
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You know when it's hot when it's cold, when it's raining when
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it's sunny. When it's you know, this that
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and the other Experience it. So come experience it with us.
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Come experience it with pagans and heathens in the area for
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Sunnah bloat. Coming up here just this weekend
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after next. And then the clearly folk
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potluck meet up here in Murfreesboro Tennessee.
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The weekend, I believe it's the weekend after that.
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So, great stuff happening in the area to hopefully get people out
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in meeting one another and networking and all that fun
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stuff. So there's the housekeeping
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stuff as always if you want to know.
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So, now that we've got the housekeeping stuff out of the
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way, got our candlelit, got some Sandalwood incense, And we are
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going to be talking today, a viewer. / subscriber / supporter
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request because again as I told as I've told you before so much
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of what the topics that this podcast gets comes from the
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listeners and the viewers and your ideas and your suggestions
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are being heard and I log them down and I write them down and I
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share them you know, over here. Because the mirror the the
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camera is mirrored. So I'm like you know, my right
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is your left and my up is your down.
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So over here right here you're going to see Morgan's request.
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So thank you Morgan for this request who said would you be
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annoyed if we discussed Loki? Again, as a deity, you've talked
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about it before but having recently dismissed him from my
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Pantheon in favor of Odin I would be down to listen to
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thoughts about his Ian's again, etc, etc.
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So Morgan definitely not annoyed by the topic.
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Although I definitely am a bit biased when it comes to any
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discussions around low-key. So for those of you listening
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and watching, if you if you are I don't know more inclined to be
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the type of heathen or Pagan. That is a location or a broker
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true as they are called sometimes.
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You know the the types of pagans who like to really focus on the
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the monsters or the chaotic. Forces is described in Norse
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mythology, this episode might ruffle your feathers, it might
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tickle your toes. It might fluster your Femurs.
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I don't know. I'm stretching here or reach in
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here with when it comes to the the euphemisms, but you get it.
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I am bias when it comes to stuff about Loki.
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I'm not opposed to talking about it because I love the dialogue
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that can circulate after such discussions, you know, I love
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the the the backs in the fourths and the ups and the downs and
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the list in the net. So low-key But I be upset or
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annoyed to talk about Loki. Well, it's not about me, right?
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It's about you, and it's about everybody else that's listening
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to wash. And so, we're going to ramble
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about it for the next, however, long I'm going to ramble about
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Loki and his Origins and such, but it's interesting because
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Morgan's comment. Kind of is a is you know that
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the type of a comment that would for somebody listening to it or
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or asking about it in real time, you know, elicit some more
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probing questions. You know, why would you dismiss
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Loki from your Pantheon? First of all, why was he there
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in the first place? You know, what was it about
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Loki? That gave you the inclination to
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want him to even be a part of your practices at all, you know?
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No. And so I think the topic about
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Loki, what we're going to do today is we're going to Maybe
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cover some common misconceptions especially for newer heathens
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that may find themselves thinking about the various gods
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and goddesses in the Norse pantheon and where they would,
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you know, have a place in your practices in your spirituality
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and religion, religiosity whatever.
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And so Once again, the bias is going to be palpable, I think
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you're gonna eat, you know? It's going to be easily
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detected. My bias about it.
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So, I have way way back on the midgard, musings YouTube
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channel. I used to do deity discussion
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videos every so often and Loki was one of the first ones that I
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did. And, you know, for anyone that's
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interested I'm going to Link it up here down there wherever it's
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going to be annotated. You know, in the show notes
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description, there might even be a card that's up in the upper
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right corner of this video. If you're watching on YouTube
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about my deity discussion video or to a link to that video.
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It is dated the quality is not the greatest.
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So, fair warning in advance, apologies.
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I was doing the best I could with what I had at the time to
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talk about them. And but not much has changed in
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terms of Of my views on Loki and his presence in Pagan practices,
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my Pagan practices, right? That, that much really hasn't
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changed. So, some common misconceptions,
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I think, one of the big things that ends up happening is people
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who are new to Heathen, re that come into this path or find
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themselves, interested it appeals to them, they want to
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pursue it. You know, they look at the gods
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as um, separate. You know, separate forces
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separate beings that that need to have a place in your worship
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and your veneration. You know you have to find a
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place for Odin. You have to find a place for
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thory, have to find a place for low-key, for example.
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Right since we're talking about since we're talking about Loki
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today and one of the things that I think people will sometimes
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take with them into this path is they'll they'll take pop culture
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ideas or pop culture. ER perceptions of these
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particular gods and use that as their as their fuel to pursue
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the the interest in it. So one thing that one should
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always remember in terms of the historical side of this
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practices, we don't see Loki, Or or similar figure in where the
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dramatic Heathen re originated in Continental, Europe in the in
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Saxony and in Continental lands in the mainland.
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Germanic countries. There were there was no
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equivalent to what is known. Now as Loki Loki was something
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that happened later on in Scandinavia in the north.
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So that's one thing to bear in mind is There's no, you know,
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really historical spot where we're lucky even exists, unlike
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the Gods like fryer. Unlike the guys like Odin Thor.
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North North, this, what have you?
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You know, these are figures that we see coming from the south up
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to the northern Scandinavian countries later on.
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Loki's not there, originally Loki pops up and in the eddas.
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And so that's one thing to bear in mind.
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Another thing to bear in mind is who Loki actually is, you know,
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I think pop culture has, you know, created this perception of
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Loki as a, as a The trickster, you know, and I am malevolent
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sort of figure almost Satan like as at where we're going to get
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into that here in a minute too and that he is Thor's brother
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and that he is a son of Odin. Thanks Marvel but no no he's not
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if anything Thor and Loki his Up in the eddas and the mythology.
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And those stories Loki is more of a companion type.
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He, he, he accompanies Thor on a lot of his escapades and a lot
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of his journeys where Thor has to go.
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Do something and Loki is right there with him,
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relationship-wise. He is not Thor's brother.
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He is not Odin, son. He is particular specifically,
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The the son of yotan or jotnar and if you want to take a take
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a, you know, stretch out like relationships wise, you know, we
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hear made mention in the poem, The Locust Center which is in
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the poetic Edda. Loki reminds Odin that they are
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have sworn an oath of the blood kinship.
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They are sort of like Blood Brothers, they mingled their
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blood and and sworn oath. And so, if you want to consider
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the fact that Odin and Loki are more like Blood Brothers than
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anything, it would sort of You can you could you can make the
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stretch that that if anything Loki is kind of like Thor's
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Uncle which is weird. But anyway, he's a companion.
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He's accompanied Thor in the retrieval of his hammer, you
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know, because he had to be Thor as Freya.
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Right. Freya's handmaiden.
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So he had to accompany thoron that he accompanied Thor on On
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the journey took we've guarded Loki. it's an interesting story
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to because it also kind of changes the perception of Loki
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as being as God. Associated with fire going to
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get to that in a second, which is not.
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So there we go. We got that couple of those,
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couple of misconceptions of the way.
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He's definitely not a historically attested figure in
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the ancient Germanic sources. He only appears later on in the
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Scandinavian myths, he is not Thor's brother.
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Other or Odin's son. He is not a god associated with
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fire anywhere. Now, why is that?
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Why why? I have a lot of folks, come that
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come into Heathen re or into this path?
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Why wouldn't we look up images? Even on the thumbnail of this
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video you know. Yes it's an AI generated image
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but it's like you look at images all over the place of of low-key
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and quite often we see this, you know, sort of Dashing, you know,
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sort of gender fluid looking Will with fiery red hair or fire
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in their eyes and it just fire all around them.
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You know, very fire. A big fire Motif going on with
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with the modern representation of low-key.
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So there's there's I think I think Jackson Crawford and even
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ocean Cal toy talked about this in some of their videos.
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If you want to look up, you know, Jackson Crawford on
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YouTube, Ocean County on Blue to YouTube and just use this Search
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terms. You know, Loki, Jackson,
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Crawford Loki, ocean, Kel toy, you're gonna find some of their
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videos we're in. It was I think a Grimm Who
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Jacob, Grimm, if I'm not mistaken, who has something to
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some sort of book or something at that, dramatic mythology, or
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German mythology or something. And there's a mention in that
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about low-key and fire, but even Grimm's sources are from
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somebody who's not It's not reputable or doesn't have any
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really true historical backing. It's more of just like it's
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maybe folklore or just conjecture but suffice it to
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say. Loki is not a god associated
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with fire really. None of the Norse gods are none
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of the dramatic gods. Are there not?
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You know, sure you might say that, you know, Thor is a god of
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thunder, but he's also a God of War, you know, but it's really
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not accurate to place the gods and make them just the god of
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one thing or another, you know what I mean?
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Pretty nuanced in that way. So, and what why is Loki looked
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at as a god Associated to Fire? And I think we can all Reach the
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same conclusion that Loki. Sometimes gets confused with a
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yotan called logy, who is a Challenger in the story where
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Thor and Loki travel to earth, god Loki and they they are faced
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with all these various challenges.
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In this one time in that story, Loki is pitted in a He eating
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battle against logy. And the the challenge is you
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know who can out-eat the other, you know, so they start each at
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one end of the table and they consume as much as they can.
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They end up meeting in the middle and we're Loki consumes
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all of the food on the table and meets Logie his Challenger
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rightly the opposer at the same time in the middle, the
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difference is that Logie has consumed literally everything.
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The tables, the chairs, the plates, everything, whereas Loki
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only has consumed, the food that was on the table and it come.
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And as we come to find out what Loki was pitted against who was
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lowkey battling was logy. Logy is the meaning is fire
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because fire is all-consuming and in it consumes everything in
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its path. And in Loki's named Loki isn't
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even a word that means fire or consumer.
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If anything it means something more like closer.
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I think it's the word Loki is where we get our English word
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lock from its cognate with are a Modern English word lock. so,
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He's you know, not a god of fire really of any you know something
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like that. He's not Thor's brother and all
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these various misconceptions of His Origins is in and stuff.
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And we would, we don't see where his Origins came from except
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from where he pops up in the in snore.
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He's Etta's, you know, the well not just snorri but of course
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the poetic Edda which is a you know a compilation of different
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poems and then snorri sturluson is prose Edda which is the More
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like, I don't know Pros, fashion of those myths.
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So, anyway, there's his origin or lack thereof stories and I
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don't because I don't have an interest in having a place for
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him in my personal practices and I definitely don't have a place
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for him in a large scale. Sort of practice when it comes
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to like tribal over or Kindred level rich, Tables and stuff
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like that. I'm not too keen on really
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pursuing more of that, but the, the history side of it is, is
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pretty cool. So there's there is that but
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Dismissing Loki from one's Pantheon, you know, it does a,
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the question as to why, why would you feel inclined to start
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with them as part of your practice and then realize it,
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get out, buddy. I that we got no place for you.
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Here. That's an interesting question
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and you know, I again going back to what I said in the beginning
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about folks who may be listening or watching that are low key.
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Ian type pagans or that our what would be referred to as a Roku
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true which are again the the types of folks that Find a place
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in their practices to venerate Loki's children. you ottoman,
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gonder fenrir hell, you know, and Loki himself these entropic,
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sort of chaotic forces that exist in the myths that Have
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have more to do with undermining or trying to destroy order the
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chaos. There's there's there's plenty
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of that, you know what I mean? Like, that's just nature in
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general. There's always things there.
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There's rot that exists in nature.
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There is that that constant circle of life and death.
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We are we are part of that. We are part of this Earth.
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As I mentioned before, we are a part of that cycle.
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We have to die for new life to be.
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You know, allowed as it were. And there's that cyclical
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existence that we're all a part of it.
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We cannot Escape. So why would You know, again the
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bias is going to come through. Why would anyone want to
29:42
consciously? Put there?
29:46
their energy, their focus, their devotion, their veneration into
29:53
specifically, the elements of nature that Seek to destroy.
30:02
Or that are just inherently entropic and that have no other
30:06
purpose to serve than to be that thing.
30:11
I don't get it. I've never gotten that some
30:15
might say and I, you know, I've talked to two folks who at one
30:18
point in time kept a very devotional approach to two loci
30:25
in their practices. You know.
30:26
They looked at him as this necessary evil, maybe or the the
30:32
necessary chaos kind of like a, the Rune meaning of Huggle has
30:36
or hug. Oh, you know the Hailstone.
30:39
That violent force of nature, that destroys and does things in
30:47
order to instigate a new life or instigate.
30:53
Something that is needed in that moment, you know, so kind of
30:58
like though, those forest fires, that that are started to
31:02
purposely burned down acres of land.
31:06
So that way the dead and dying. You know, pieces of nature that
31:15
need to go can go and be forced to nurture that that new life,
31:20
something kind of like along those lines.
31:22
Right that that necessary Force and and trying to embrace that
31:28
concept or be a part of that process I guess is one way of
31:34
looking at it but I don't know man.
31:37
Like that's We're already a part of it, just inherently, you
31:43
know, like it's you don't have to seek.
31:48
To gift to that, to try to perpetuate that.
31:53
I don't know, you know, perpetuate not the right word
31:54
but to again, just I don't know fuel that.
31:57
Give give attention to that, it's already there and it's
32:01
gonna be there, there's nothing you can do about it.
32:07
And I also have again the bias, you know, I also don't want
32:12
anything to do with Loki, in my personal practices, or in my
32:16
tribal practices, we have a pretty, you know, pretty strict
32:20
rule that as a tribe. When We Gather for tribal
32:25
events, there will be no hailing of Loki.
32:29
There will be no Loki veneration in our rituals because The are
32:37
our tradition. Our view of Loki is that he is a
32:41
kin Slayer and he is an oathbreaker in this to the
32:45
degree that he's always lying. You know, he's sure they may
32:51
seem like small lives but he's ultimately the The Insider of
32:58
Ragnarok when I say Insight, or, I mean like inciting Insider,
33:03
like behind the scenes, but he insights Ragnarok because what
33:06
he did with balder, you know, by by tricking holder into throwing
33:14
that that that fatal Arrow of mistletoe, that's what starts,
33:22
the whole Ragnarok thing in the miss, you know, and he is the
33:27
force that fights against the aesir in Ragnarok, you know, him
33:35
and his, his children fenrir, and then you would have been
33:39
gone to, right? These are forces that are
33:43
enemies. Of the aesir of the Gods.
33:47
And so in the myths, you know, we look at that as a thing of
33:51
well we don't want to him to be a part of our ritual.
33:56
Now, an interesting thing to realize, right, is that so much
34:02
of what we learn about in the myths of the Gods Powers, their
34:09
magical items, Have been acquired or come to them due to
34:18
Loki's Behavior, Loki's actions, Loki's involvement.
34:23
You know, he is the reason why Thor has his hammer, and he's
34:30
also the reason why Thor got his hammer back.
34:35
You know, he was an influential, he was an influential component
34:40
in getting his hammer back when it was stolen from him and he
34:43
was the very reason why he got it in the first place.
34:47
Same way with Odin's spear glaucon ear in his his ring that
34:54
I hope in here, you know? so, your Kind of like you owe it
35:05
to Loki in a way that you know the gods o it to Loki in a way.
35:13
As to, you know. Why they have their things, why
35:18
they have their their mythical magical items that they've come
35:21
to kind of be known by. You know, was it seeps Golden
35:27
Hair? You know, that's another one.
35:31
Sure. You know, he's the reason why it
35:33
was cut off in the first place but then he's the reason why
35:36
she's got her golden hair after you know making it right or
35:42
fixing the wrong that he did. Is, you know, the reason why
35:49
Asgard has their their, their Citadel, their, their, their
35:52
Fortress, the wall that guards, the place, you know?
35:55
Like he's the reason why the Giants horse.
36:01
Got distracted. And they, you know, were able to
36:08
Get their wall built and and not have to surrender surrender.
36:12
Freya for it? You know, I mean so, yeah, he
36:16
does these things in the myths and he's responsible for so much
36:22
crap, right? That he has to.
36:28
Come in and then figure out the solution and he does, he pulls
36:32
through but it's kind of like at the end of it all all the good
36:38
that that happened from his involvement cannot be.
36:45
You know, the it cannot be overshadowed by what he but he
36:48
is ultimately responsible for at the end, you know, it's like
36:52
yeah, sure you did. All this good stuff.
36:53
But look at what you've done now, or you've done all these
36:57
things that have benefited us now, but it just kind of screwed
37:03
the pooch and all of us in the process.
37:06
And so, you know, he is, he was outlawed, he was cast out and
37:12
looking looking at that from The perspective of society at the
37:17
time, that was how problems were we're handled.
37:20
They, you know, you did certain things.
37:24
You were considered anything you, you were, you were cast
37:27
out, you were an outlawed and so it's no surprise that he's Put
37:33
that way in portrayed that way in the myths because again of
37:37
the sort of societal structure at the time.
37:41
And then the way thing, the way the world was for the people at
37:44
that time and how their stories reflect that, you know, so If
37:52
you guys are Loki ins, or if you have a place in your practice
37:58
for Loki, I'd be really interested.
38:00
I'm sure others listening and watching would Breathe would be
38:03
interested to know why. As well even considering the
38:09
fact that, you know, my tribe name.
38:11
You know, our name is fairy, the folk thunderer flurry.
38:14
The the people of the Thundering storm a huge nod to Thor.
38:21
Any. And as I mentioned before, even
38:22
though Loki is with Thor and many of his travels, and in the
38:27
stories, he is there as a companion.
38:29
We still do not and will not have a place for Loki in our
38:36
tribal Affairs, in our tribal rituals.
38:38
It just won't ever happen because again, of what
38:40
ultimately he's responsible for it's like Yeah, you've done all
38:45
those things, but look what you are ultimately responsible for
38:49
and we're not. That's our that's our custom.
38:52
That's our tradition. That's what we've adhered to and
38:55
what we're going to adhere to. That is Arthur.
38:57
Do you know what I mean? That's one thing that won't
39:00
change. Even though through and
39:03
tradition can can evolve or change over time, that that's
39:05
one thing. That is Not going to change, its
39:10
Ben. Embedded into our bylaws, right?
39:15
It's been written down to be remembered for the Next
39:23
Generation whoever wherever clearly folk goes from here.
39:30
So yeah, as you know, as I said before, I'm always interested to
39:34
hear what other people's perceptions are Morgan
39:39
specifically. Because, you know, you're the
39:41
one that that asked this or suggested this topic weeks ago.
39:46
And while I'm not annoyed at all, to talk about it.
39:50
I am deeply interested to know your background as to why he was
39:55
there in the first place and why he no longer is there.
39:58
While he was Y-you've disassociated him from your,
40:04
from your practices. If you're willing to talk about
40:06
it and anybody else for that matter, if you want, feel free
40:08
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40:14
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40:20
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40:27
comments would be appreciated because it adds more to the
40:30
story. You know it adds more to the to
40:33
the topics and yeah Loki. He's just you know remember that
40:38
one time you went to a gears Hall and killed a gears servant
40:42
to get in and then tries to throw up and open space.
40:45
Oh hey by the way, remember bro, we mixed our blood that one time
40:49
we were Said you'd never have a drink without me.
40:52
And I was like, yeah, okay, whatever.
40:54
I don't like it but I got to do it because I have this oath that
40:57
I'm supposed to upkeep and he starts just insulting the gods
41:00
left and right, remember that. And while there is some truth to
41:06
some of the things that he insulted them for.
41:10
So the take away from the fact that he just essentially, you
41:12
know. Ruin the party kill the guys
41:16
servant that's hosting the party.
41:17
And then just comes in and starts lambaste and everybody.
41:24
And the only one that could stop it.
41:27
And the only one that he would listen to was, who His
41:31
companion, his his traveling, buddy?
41:34
Right is his nephew if you want to again, stretch on.
41:39
That way Thor. And I took a little while, but
41:43
finally Thor's, like listen here, buddy, this Hammer that I
41:47
have because you about to sink it into your freaking head.
41:51
You don't shut up and get out of here.
41:52
He's like all right, fine, whatever.
41:54
I'm gonna get him out of here. This party sucks anyway.
41:58
You know this party's lame. Going to party with going to
42:06
party and niflheim. Who knows?
42:09
I don't know. I'm just making fun now but
42:11
yeah. Loki not the brother of Thor
42:17
Loki. Not the fire god or God of
42:19
associated with fire Loki. Not the trickster.
42:27
Sure. He's tricky can be tricky but so
42:29
can Odin. So can a lot of the Gods, you
42:31
know, there's a lot of A lot of things about the gods that, you
42:36
know, and that's the other thing too.
42:38
Is people want to look to the gods, as they, well, if the gods
42:43
did it, then, what's, what's wrong with us doing?
42:45
It's like, hey, man, like the gods aren't fallible or
42:48
infallible? I should say, they are fallible
42:52
and they're the stories are not there to for us to, you know?
43:02
Mirror, their behaviors, 100% of the time.
43:05
There's there's a lot to learn from if you want to take that
43:09
angle and there's a lot too. You know.
43:16
Take away from their their behaviors and realize that it
43:18
at. That wasn't good.
43:20
You know, when Thor and Odin was it hard about it?
43:25
You know, Odin is as hard part is disguised as that old man and
43:30
Thor, doesn't realize who it is and they go back and forth and
43:32
Odin's basically bragging about how you know he forced himself
43:37
on these on these. Women are these women and he's
43:40
like there are you should have been there and then help me hold
43:43
them down and all that. Like, that's not Pool.
43:45
Man, that is deplorable. That is terrible Behavior.
43:49
Don't Don't use that story or that particular line of a story
43:54
be like, we'll see. You know that's why it's okay to
43:59
have your way with people and not respect boundaries because
44:04
look it Odin like mmm, you know, not at all.
44:08
And so that's with all the gods that's with all of those
44:16
figures, you know. And while they have a place as
44:21
sacred beings that, you know, reading these stories, the myths
44:26
about Them in realizing their Tendencies and and stuff.
44:30
It's a learning experience, you know, it's not just ways to be,
44:34
it's waste to not be so Loki is just another one of them that I
44:40
think there's there's things about Loki's character that we
44:43
read about in the stories that one could say, for in the right
44:49
context are admirable and are Upstanding kind of
44:54
characteristics, you know, he definitely gets things done.
44:58
He's witty, he's you know. He's got, he's got that quick on
45:06
his feet, sort of thinking, in a lot of ways.
45:12
He's Definitely knows that to fix a problem.
45:17
You've got to bring a lot to the table to do it.
45:20
It's you know, big problems result in big Solutions.
45:27
So you know, again you can take You can pick, you can cherry
45:32
pick things out of all, cases, of all the gods that we have
45:36
stories about at least, and there are several of them that
45:38
Loki is involved in again. He's one of the primary
45:43
characters in The Ragnarok myth, you know, and he's, and he's
45:49
mentioned a lot throughout the Etta's in the various poem.
45:53
So, Yeah, I'm and I'm genuinely curious for those of you that
46:01
either. Are still low qian like why?
46:04
What is it? What is it about Loki that Makes
46:10
you want to put your focus in your energy into him or his
46:15
offspring specifically for those that maybe were in are no
46:19
longer. You know what was your what was
46:21
the turning point for you? Why did you decide as Morgan had
46:27
to dismiss Loki from your practices?
46:31
So, That is today's episode. That is Our discussion on Loki,
46:39
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46:42
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46:44
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