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Why we don't trust hauntings that hinge on a single EVP or ghost hunter's vague findings · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Half these ghosts that we interact with don't
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  know about pineapple on pizza. A crime. Coming
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  up. Do you ever know with certainty who or what
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  you are communicating with if you are communicating
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  at all? No. I don't think there's any way to
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  ever prove that. There's a strange phenomena
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  in the world of ghost hunting where you go to
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  these places. If you go to enough places, you
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  catch on to this. Like, we've done hundreds of
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  investigations. After only a dozen or so, we
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  started noticing this trend. You go to a famous
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  haunted place, they have all sorts of super specific
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  legends relating to super specific names and
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  alleged spirits, and you ask, how do you know
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  it's that spirit or that person haunting here?
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  And, more often than not, the only reason these
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  ghosts and legends persist is because one time,
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  A ghost hunter or a psychic said once, oh, I
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  feel like the ghost here is named, and it's usually
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  Sarah or Emily. Have you guys noticed that too?
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  Yeah, it's always a Sarah or Emily. So a psychic
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  one time in the 1900s said, I feel like the ghost
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  here is named Sarah. And then now everyone sees
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  a ghost named Sarah. Or Emily, or any other random
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  name. Or a ghost hunter one time, 20 years ago,
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  caught one EVP. We see this at Madison Seminary,
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  where when the owners bought it, there was a
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  sticky note that said, Sarah's Room. And they
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  put together the pieces that one time, 20 years
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  ago or something, someone caught an EVP of someone
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  saying, I'm Sarah, and then now everyone communicates
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  allegedly with Sarah. Who is Sarah? There's no
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  documentation of a Sarah being there. It's an
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  EVP. The EVP doesn't exist anymore, but the legend
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  persists. Yeah. So I guess the topic at hand
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  is... I don't know. Should we do anything? How
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  do we approach these legends that hinge on, what,
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  one psychic or one murky alleged EVP that...
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  May or may not exist anymore. Or is questionable.
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  And debatable on what it's actually saying. Said.
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  Should we put much weight behind these legends.
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  And is it too late. Because I guess. The downside
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  of egregores. Is there could be a real egregore.
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  Of these ghosts there. Now. Because a psychic
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  20 years ago said so. Yeah. That's exactly where
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  my brain was going. But. If a psychic said a
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  ghost here is named Sarah. and then an egregore
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  is created out of that claim what's the psychic
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  actually wrong because there is a ghost named
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  sarah there now so i think it's it's hard that's
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  it's hard to say because if the psychic said
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  there is a sarah here and there wasn't but then
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  because so she they said that there was then
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  there now is I mean, still they were technically
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  incorrect, just they created a false positive.
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  That was like one big chain reaction that you
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  said. Is it even a false positive? Or is it just
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  a double negative that turns into a false positive?
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  It's weird. You know, I don't know. Welcome to
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  our podcast, where we take deep dives looking
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  at various topics through a paranormal lens.
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  I brought up the name Sarah because, you know,
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  it's always a Sarah or Emily, but it's a weird
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  thing because it happened at Madison Seminary,
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  which is like a famous example. But also, my
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  favorite example of this is at the Crawford County
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  Historical Society that we filmed at for Peter
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  Sheenie, Plague in the Pines. The museum. itself
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  is said to be super haunted and most of the documentary
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  we did pierce sheen you play in the pines was
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  filmed at the museum oh it's definitely haunted
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  definitely and they were saying a little girl
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  named sarah haunts the basement there and i asked
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  i said how do you guys know there's a sarah here
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  and they said oh the first group that came out
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  and investigated here 20 years ago caught an
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  evp saying i'm sarah and again same thing as
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  mansion seminary this evp doesn't exist anymore
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  but then something weird did happen where we
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  got an EVP, and this is in the film, we got an
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  EVP that said, Sarah, Sarah, clear as day. So,
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  what do you make of that? So the thing is, with
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  EVPs, or any kind of evidence capturing where
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  you get a voice and a name, the the hard thing
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  with it is all of our brains interpret things
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  differently so even like when we're listening
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  to spirit box you hear one thing i hear a different
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  thing and it's like it could have been this or
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  it could have been this so sarah i feel like
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  is an easy name of all the names like that people
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  will pick up on is an easy name to be like oh
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  yeah double a like you it's distinguishable but
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  it can also be confused as a lot of other things
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  but like that's that's something that someone
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  recognizes and catches on to right away you know
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  what i'm saying yeah and so there could have
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  been an evp or a spirit box or some sort of voice
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  that said something that was similar to sarah
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  it could have may have not even been a name but
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  Being that that was said at some point, you can't
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  say that it wasn't said. There likely was some
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  sort of inciting incident as to why people may
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  have said there is, this is what this entity's
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  name is. But is it true as to the fact of, is
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  it actually like, yes, this is Sarah? Who knows?
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  Well, that's a whole can of worms. Just because
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  a ghost says, my name is Sarah, how do you know
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  that it is Sarah? I mean, not even getting into
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  the whole, like, it's all demon stuff that people
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  say, but, like, just how do you really know?
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  If I'm a ghost, I can say, my name is Bree. But
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  I'd say it more like, my name is Bree. Can you
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  say that again? I'm Angela. See, I would... Why
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  are you saying it like that, Ben? You weirdo.
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  You'd have to come through loud and clear on
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  the EVP. People using the DR -60s, the piece
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  of shit recorders, gotta be loud. Yeah. Okay,
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  so that's the can of worms, but I guess before
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  we go that route, people are using shitty recorders
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  that often mistake... So, Sarah is a name? Even
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  if you just want to suspend disbelief for a second
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  here, Sarah, Emily, these are very common names,
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  so the odds of there being one of them there,
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  especially if you're talking about little Victorian
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  -era children that died, I could guess that.
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  It doesn't take a rocket scientist, but there's
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  a lot of harsh letters in Sarah. If you shuffle
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  your feet... Really loudly. That can get mistaken,
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  you know? I feel like S is... The S letter, like...
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  Yeah. If you shuffle. If you're listening for
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  a name, if you're listening for something...
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  Like, even... So, say, years after this and this
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  name has already been established or used. If
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  you're listening for it, if you're listening
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  to your EVPs, you're listening to your spirit
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  box, and you're trying to... pick out or distinguish
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  this name because you know that that is a known
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  name that's said there you're more than likely
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  going to interpret what you're hearing as the
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  name that you want to hear it like it's just
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  that hindsight bias of oh i know there's a sarah
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  or i know there's an emily And then you hear
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  a random voice on the spirit box and you're like,
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  oh my gosh, that's Sincera. And it's like, then
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  you listen back to it and it really doesn't sound
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  like that. But in the moment, your brain was
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  looking for it. So that's how you interpreted
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  it. On the flip side, what's the opposite of
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  hindsight bias? Pre -sight bias? Because if you
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  make any sort of claim in something you're publishing
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  on the internet saying, it says my name is so
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  -and -so, someone's going to see it and then...
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  they're going to have that hindsight bias, you
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  know, like putting it on record. If you are not
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  100 % sure, but you're posting it, it's that
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  same thing with like the clip culture we talk
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  about often. If the only 10 seconds anyone sees
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  is that EVP and they don't see the two hours
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  you spend around it saying, we can't say with
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  definitive fact or certainty that someone named
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  so -and -so. If you have in your head, even if
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  it's a vague recollection. uh that that name
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  came up even even if so even if you go into clean
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  slate and you say i don't want to know any of
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  the history i just want to see what i capture
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  well what you capture is now part of the lore
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  and there is a danger that it could then feed
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  into the hindsight bias of others yeah yeah it's
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  a it's a it's a catch -22 yeah So that's even
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  assuming. Assuming it is a genuine EVP, then
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  you get that can of worms like you were talking.
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  So it's probably not an EVP. It could be a combination
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  of many factors that are making our ears interpret
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  random noises as voices. But if it is an EVP,
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  like you were saying before, do you ever know
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  with certainty who or what you are communicating
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  with if you are communicating at all? No. I don't
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  think there's any way to ever prove that. I don't.
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  Even if, like, you are so certain, like, you
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  really don't know. We don't know. Everything
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  in the paranormal is so theoretical. Like...
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  Paranormal is theoretical. There's nothing factual
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  about it, really. Yeah. So, I mean, you can have...
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  hard evidence but like what that is proving is
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  still just a theory so to say that we are for
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  sure talking to a spirit named emily or spirit
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  named sarah just like you were saying they could
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  be like yeah my name's ben but it's actually
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  brie like or What you were getting into or said
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  you'd be skimming over demons are never going
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  to necessarily tell you their names. They're
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  going to be trying to trick you and be like,
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  that's what they say. That's what they say. My
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  name's Sarah. I'm just a little girl, but actually
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  I'm a demon, but I'm not, I'm going to hide that.
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  So like you can never be a hundred percent sure
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  what you're interacting with. But also the tricky
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  slippery slope of that breeze. We've never. uh
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  had proof that a demon is tricky no we haven't
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  so um that's just what we've always been told
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  it's just so it's impossible i guess my point
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  is when there's literally no way to know what
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  it is you can fill in the blank with anything
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  yeah and you can't it's hard to rebuttal like
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  if you think it's a demon pretending to be uh
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  sarah or an emily it's hard to come up with like
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  no pun intended devil's advocate for for that
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  because no one really knows like there's no you're
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  not dealing in facts you're just dealing in realms
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  of theories yeah and we haven't encountered it
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  doesn't mean it's not out there i guess something
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  i'm wondering now does it even matter what an
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  evp says like what's what's the impressive part
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  of an evp that there's a voice like vocal tone
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  on a recording right yeah Is the message or what's
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  being said the most impressive part of EVPs or
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  is it just the fact there is a voice? I think
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  just the fact that there is a voice is impressive
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  because especially if you're in a semi -controlled
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  environment where you know there wasn't a voice
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  there or nobody was speaking, to have a voice
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  come through on as an EVP is impressive. If it
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  says something... that you can like a class a
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  evp that you can tell what it's saying whether
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  it be a name or a sentence or something it is
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  more interesting and it can help you help lead
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  into your dive in research because that's what
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  i mean that's what we care most about is the
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  research side of stuff and finding out the history
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  and getting an evp where you get a name whether
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  or not it is like factual that, oh yes, this
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  is the ghost that we're talking to. The fact
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  that we get a name and can link it to something
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  that, okay, maybe this has some relevance. Yes.
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  I am not a lawyer. I have no experience in dealing
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  in court or law, really, but does this analogy
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  make sense here? If there's a famous murder case
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  and you Bring to the court. A recording. Of someone
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  saying. The victim. Was named. Emily. Like they
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  don't know who the victim was. And you bring
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  a recording. Of someone saying. Yeah the victim's
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  name is Emily. And it clearly says that. That's
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  not admissible in like. Court. From what I gather.
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  That it would be like hearsay. Or something like
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  that. But. if then you reveal the mic drop of
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  there's no one in the room when that recording
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  was made who could have been speaking then it's
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  like whoa but then if you do research afterwards
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  and you do find you know there is a missing person
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  or something named emily that you can then in
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  your research tie to the case that's a benefit
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  of interpreting that voice but the message doesn't
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  mean anything that isn't it's not the fact i
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  don't think the courts would ever use evidence
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  as evidence yeah even if it's just a recording
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  like that's you can't just bring a recording
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  or some unknown person being like yeah that that
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  victim's name is emily like that's not a fact
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  like just having a statement saying on said saying
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  something on a recorder doesn't make something
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  a fact are you sure not i think yeah no you're
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  right Hold up really quick, just so I remember.
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  I need to say this out loud. This would be a
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  good topic. Paranormal evidence for court. Okay,
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  that does remind me. Do you want to go down a
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  tangent? Okay, I like tangents. If this goes
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  on too long, we can clip this as a separate episode
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  or something. But I was doing some reading, because
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  in New York State, I believe it's the only state...
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  where you have to disclose if a house you're
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  selling is haunted legally. And I went down this
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  whole rabbit hole that technically under New
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  York law, a place can be legally haunted, even
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  if it's not factually haunted. interesting what
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  that means is there's no way to prove a place
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  is actually haunted and it's not a fact it is
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  but in the case of since there is this law in
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  new york and again i'm not a lawyer or anything
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  in new york if there is because there was a precedent
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  set for this if if you were not disclosed the
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  place is haunted and you want to bring them to
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  court or something If enough people believe the
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  place is haunted and has a reputation, then legally
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  speaking, it is legally haunted. You have to
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  tell people. That's so interesting. Yeah, so
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  there's a difference between legally or legal
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  fact and objective fact. So places in New York
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  State could be legally haunted. Oh, fuck yeah.
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  I want to look up legally haunted places in New
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  York now. Road trip. Yeah, I think it was that
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  Conjuring case or something. I could be... Did
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  the devil... Oh, wait, no, that doesn't make
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  sense. I was thinking the devil made me do it
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  or whatever, but... Don't quote me on any of
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  this, but I'm not a lawyer, but... Really? I
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  had no idea. You're not a lawyer, Ben? What?
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  Ben, I thought you went to law school. Yeah,
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  I thought you went to law school. No, we should
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  get a lawyer. This would be a fun topic if we
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  have a lawyer on here. Are there lawyers who
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  specialize in the paranormal? This would be such
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  a good deep dive. Huh. Yeah. Interesting. That
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  would be interesting because, like, that whole
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  analogy or whatever that was kind of half -baked
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  that I did. But, like, why are EVPs treated differently
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  than, like, recordings of people? Because if
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  I have a recording of someone saying something,
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  I'm not going to just assume it's 100 % true.
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  The statement of it. Yeah, yeah. Let's say I
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  have a recording of Angela saying, My name is
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  Brie. I'm going to be, oh, that's Angela's voice.
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  But I'm not going to assume. I said, why do you
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  make me sound so weird? I don't. I just make
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  you sound natural, but also different than Bree.
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  So in the future, when these podcast episodes
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  are found, we can be like, we never actually
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  said that. What are you talking about? You can't
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  prove anything. Oh, well, I mean, okay. you're
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  joking but you're also kind of true because we
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  always say our opinions morph and change so just
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  because a recording exists of someone saying
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  a year ago i don't believe in ghosts doesn't
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  mean that's still a true statement and if the
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  cheese layers aren't necessarily true you know
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  you know the cheese you could be in the swiss
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  cheese i know the cheese ben i know the cheese
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  But what if you capture a residual voice of how
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  someone believed, you know, 10 years ago and
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  your opinion changed? To say, you know, let's
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  say you get EVP of someone saying, I don't know.
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  What's something you can believe in and change
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  your opinion on? My mind is going, I believe
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  in ghosts to like politics real fast. We're not
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  going to go down there. pineapple i mean that's
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  a good example pineapple on pizza that's okay
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  hold up oh yes only thing worse than politics
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  is pineapple on pizza that's some right there
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  do you guys like that you guys yes i'm gonna
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  tie you down and shove some pineapple pizza in
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  your mouth one of these days it's gonna force
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  you to like it so if a ghost says i enjoyed getting
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  pineapple pizza shoved down my throat by a blonde
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  girl in the 2020s. And then you can't assume
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  that that's how they actually felt. even a year
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  later, or in the present, or, I don't know, they're
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  dead, so I don't know. You know one podcast episode
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  that is never gonna, like, our opinion on is
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  never gonna change is the Orbs episode. We will
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  never change our opinion on Orbs. I like my pineapple
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  on pizza like I like my Orbs. My opinion is never
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  changing. I'm very consistent on my dust particles
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  and pineapple. What? Because I don't like pineapple.
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  It's not like pineapple on pizza. Oh, you just
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  don't like pineapple. Okay, well, see, that's
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  reasonable. That's understandable. Yeah, that's
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  different. I thought you did like pineapple,
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  Ben. I didn't know you didn't like pineapple.
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  We're learning new things. if even now the range
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  of emotion in the past five minutes like you
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  guys were really hostile and i was getting kind
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  of nervous and uncomfortable here but now i'm
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  like jiving like you can't judge what someone
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  says on a recording and like like if if i call
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  an evp of you guys saying that i would assume
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  the ghost is angry but then give it two minutes
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  and then if i say the ghost is angry everyone
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  that goes there forever is gonna say there's
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  an angry ghost that haunts that room it's like
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  what the fuck are you talking about i'm not angry
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  but then they catch a voice saying what the fuck
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  are you talking about and they're gonna assume
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  that's confirmation that the ghost is angry so
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  it's like never these poor ghosts so we went
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  silent is it just like that's like the thesis
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  is these poor ghosts yes These poor ghosts. Poor,
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  poor ghosts. When was pineapple on pizza invented?
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  No clue. No clue. Sorry, I'm typing it. I didn't
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  really expect you guys to know. I just speak
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  out loud because I know people are listening.
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  Not right now, but they will be. Okay. So this
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  is intriguing. 1962. Yeah, that sounds about
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  right. What do you mean that sounds right? That
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  sounds 60s to you? Yeah, I don't know, man. I
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  imagine people eating pizza with pineapple on
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  it with some 60s outfits or something. Sounds
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  like a 60s thing. Half these ghosts, then, that
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  we interact with don't know about pineapple on
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  pizza. A crime. Maybe some of them do. Maybe
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  some of them do. Yeah. They should know about
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  pineapple on pizza. Dang. So all these Beethoven
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  pre -pineapple enthusiasts that don't know pineapple
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  on pizza or Taylor Swift. We're bringing back
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  all these callbacks. Look at that. You know,
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  modern day ghosts are going to be really interesting.
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  Because, you know, You're going to be, like,
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  walking around, like, a hundred years from now.
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  They're going to be quoting vines. You're going
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  to be quoting vines. In, like, a hundred years
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  from now, you're going to walk around the corner
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  at, like, a haunted, well -known, abandoned building
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  or something, and there's just going to be an
• 24:27
  apparition and some sort of TikTok that Dan's
• 24:30
  quoting vines that you just hear in the background
• 24:32
  and the smell of pineapple and pizza wifting
• 24:36
  in the background. Yeah, it's not the smell of
• 24:39
  cigar smoke anymore. It's the smell of pineapple
• 24:43
  and pizza and beer. You know, this kind of cuts
• 24:48
  against everything we've said all episode, but,
• 24:50
  like, most of these places now we go, it's hard
• 24:55
  for us to, like, know who we're talking to or
• 24:58
  even date any of the ghosts. You want to date
• 25:01
  ghosts? No, no, date, like... You have a girlfriend,
• 25:05
  Ben. That's not what I mean. I'm offended. That's
• 25:09
  not what I mean. Breathe. Figure out the time
• 25:12
  period. Sure. Okay. I see you trying to cover
• 25:17
  up your fumble there. Like carbon dating. Ben,
• 25:21
  I didn't know you had a thing for apparitions.
• 25:23
  Or carbon. I don't think for carbon. No. No.
• 25:29
  That's not the weirdest thing I could be into,
• 25:31
  but no. Tell us your secrets. We're just gonna
• 25:38
  let that hang there for a minute. What was I
• 25:39
  saying? You made this weird. Did I make it weird
• 25:46
  or did you make it weird by saying you were trying
• 25:49
  to date spirits? I said we don't know who we're
• 25:54
  talking to or even like the time period so we
• 25:56
  can't date them to the 40s or the 50s. No, we
• 26:00
  can't date them because they're dead, Ben. I
• 26:07
  mean, semantics, but if, heaven forbid, Angela
• 26:09
  dies, I'd still tell you that I'm dating Angela.
• 26:15
  Aww. That's sweet, but also, you don't believe
• 26:18
  in intelligent hauntings, so, like... I mean,
• 26:23
  how intelligent is she already? Ben! You're gonna
• 26:34
  be single by the end of this episode. My God,
• 26:37
  Ben. I break it up with you. Okay. What's going
• 26:45
  on in this episode? I don't know anymore. But
• 26:48
  anyways. I don't know what you mean. No. You
• 26:52
  want to date other people? No. And I'm not intelligent?
• 26:56
  No. I asked, how intelligent is she? And no one
• 27:02
  responded. The answer was going to be, how intelligent
• 27:04
  is she? She's the most intelligent person I know.
• 27:10
  Not all questions are rhetorical. Sometimes you
• 27:12
  guys are supposed to respond, and when you don't,
• 27:14
  it's awkward. Sure. Do you want a shovel for
• 27:23
  the hole you're digging? Yeah. You got one? You
• 27:29
  got one at Pirashini, right? I did get one. Do
• 27:32
  you want it? Yeah. Tell the lore about that shovel.
• 27:37
  We found a shovel or I found a shovel at the
• 27:41
  like at Parashini at the foundations of one of
• 27:49
  the houses that used to be there. It was just
• 27:51
  sitting against a tree. Someone was probably
• 27:53
  metal detecting and left it. There is a brand
• 27:56
  new shovel and it's a really nice shovel. Someone
• 27:59
  went to go back and it's not there anymore. Yeah,
• 28:01
  it's not there anymore. We used it to make a
• 28:05
  fire pit, and now I use it all the time for shoveling
• 28:07
  compost. Wow, you use it for compost now. Yeah.
• 28:11
  It's a great shovel. It's short, and it's perfect.
• 28:15
  The shovel's not haunted. No. Sounds like some
• 28:22
  people's boyfriends, huh? Short and perfect.
• 28:27
  But what I was trying to say... before you derail
• 28:32
  this with your insane accusations was just so
• 28:37
  simple and this is gonna be so stupid now because
• 28:40
  it all is build up but all i was trying to say
• 28:42
  was it's impossible to verify a ghost from before
• 28:45
  our period but if a report out of place is yeah
• 28:49
  there's a frat boy chad that haunts this place
• 28:52
  and then we see uh frat boy apparition doing
• 28:55
  a tiktok trend uh and then he we get an evp saying
• 28:59
  like yeah yeah you got the ris bro uh that's
• 29:04
  slay slay i'm so frat coded no cap no cap i don't
• 29:10
  even know what no cap means i'm gonna be honest
• 29:13
  because we're not that generation we're not gen
• 29:17
  x right no no we're not gen z gen z anyways My
• 29:23
  point being, if Frat Boy Chad comes through,
• 29:27
  we know that that is probably who's haunting
• 29:31
  there. No ghost from the Victorian era is going
• 29:35
  to say, God, there is no cap. They might learn
• 29:39
  from... Chad? Yeah. Do you think that happens?
• 29:44
  Do you think if someone dies now, do they teach
• 29:47
  slang to the older ghosts? Ooh. Ben, we should
• 29:52
  do that to some of our ghosts. You're going to
• 29:56
  teach Jacques all of the modern day slang? Yeah.
• 29:59
  Jacques doesn't even know how to speak normal
• 30:01
  English half the time. He just speaks in numbers
• 30:04
  and prophecies. That's so true. But he has an
• 30:08
  opinion about Gravity Falls. So I think he can
• 30:13
  learn slang. Or is he going to have an opinion
• 30:17
  on slang real quick? Probably. He's like, Riz,
• 30:23
  give me back the Rizicrucianers. What? What does
• 30:31
  that even mean? The Rosicrucians. Anyway, that
• 30:36
  was an occult joke. This is just like a BS podcast
• 30:40
  at this point. Honestly, it's great. I love it.
• 30:47
  You know, not everything is serious. Let's make
• 30:52
  everything serious. No, no. If down the line
• 30:59
  we have an instance where we catch a crazy EVP
• 31:02
  that appears to say a name or something, then
• 31:05
  we can do a follow -up. Yeah. This is one of
• 31:09
  those... Always going to be relevant topics because
• 31:12
  this is a known thing that happens more often
• 31:14
  than people give it credit for, especially the
• 31:16
  places that, you know, I say I'm not going to
• 31:18
  comment on the Warrens, but it's hard not to
• 31:22
  acknowledge that. Not saying anything about them.
• 31:25
  Love them or hate them. They did this a lot.
• 31:28
  They created a bunch of lore that people still
• 31:31
  claim goes on. Some people in the paranormal
• 31:37
  field look up to them like they're the paranormal
• 31:40
  gods and they knew what they were doing and stuff.
• 31:46
  And some people don't. And that's all we'll say
• 31:48
  about it for now. There's a lot of weird stuff
• 31:51
  going on with the war in circles right now. More?
• 31:56
  I feel like there always is. Hmm. Okay. so angela
• 32:02
  you want to take this offline gotta i gotta explain
• 32:05
  to you how i'm not dating anyone else bye everyone
• 32:10
  bye thanks for listening to this week's episode
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• 32:18
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• 32:27
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• 32:29
  for another paranormal deep dive.