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On Stranger Tigs: Central Division Up For Grabs After Sweep · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger's Territory Party about
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  Speaker 1: eight podcast. I'm Kierstegli with me as always, a man
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  Speaker 1: who's currently taking applications for a new grunge band he
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  Speaker 1: just started titled.
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  Speaker 2: Ten Pitch ab He is Cody staven Egg and how
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  Speaker 2: you doing.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be a great band name, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm looking for my panic button and I can't
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  Speaker 3: find it, which is only making me panic more. Not
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  Speaker 3: usually a fan of panic time, Kieran, this is this
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  Speaker 3: is as bad as I've felt about the Detroit Tigers
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  Speaker 3: in a long long time. They maintained a three and
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  Speaker 3: a half game lead in the Ale Central. Their playoff
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  Speaker 3: odds are like ninety six percent still, but this is serious,
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  Speaker 3: Like this ain't a joke anymore. And the Tigers have
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  Speaker 3: not played very good baseball for an extended period of time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking the majority of the second half, and lately
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  Speaker 3: it's been worse than ever. The Guardians just came to
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  Speaker 3: your house and swept you straight up, just beat you
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  Speaker 3: in pretty much every aspect of the game. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: like this is actually concerning, So let's let it fly
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  Speaker 3: from there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll relay a text I got from a
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  Speaker 1: Tigers fan friend of mine before the game. So he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to and he's he tends to be more
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  Speaker 1: pessimistic than the other directions, so you know, keep that
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  Speaker 1: in mind. Trying to remind myself that a four and
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  Speaker 1: a half game lead is not a bad thing, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's also disappointing, and there's too much anxiety with the
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  Speaker 1: situation to think straight. Is it was basically how I
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  Speaker 1: kind of tried to summarize my thoughts and text message
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  Speaker 1: for him and after the game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really have any revisions to that statement.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm thinking straight or not, but
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm done, like like sugarcoating stuff. I'm keeping
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  Speaker 3: it real today. I'm keeping it real.
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  Speaker 1: Today, keeping it real because they came into your house
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  Speaker 1: when you had you had everything to play for, You
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  Speaker 1: had everything in front of you that you set like
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  Speaker 1: number one goal, win the division. You could have won
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  Speaker 1: the division today today we could be having a division
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  Speaker 1: clinching podcast that was in the realm of possibility. And
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  Speaker 1: what they did is you didn't lose these games. If
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  Speaker 1: you're the Tigers, you got beat, and and the way
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  Speaker 1: my mind works, that's worse because if you lose, it's
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  Speaker 1: typically something like like all right, that's that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a one off here, one off there, you get beat.
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  Speaker 1: All the one offs kind of add up, and they're
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  Speaker 1: just they just played a lot better than you. They
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  Speaker 1: were just better situationally than you were. And Eveland, if
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  Speaker 1: I were to give a little bit of solace, if
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  Speaker 1: I were to give just a little bit of solace,
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  Speaker 1: is that you can't fake desperate. And Cleveland came in
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  Speaker 1: with a sense of urgency that was needed to go
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  Speaker 1: in and sweep the division leader in their house. The
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  Speaker 1: Tigers cannot play with or at you know, coming in,
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  Speaker 1: could not muster up that sense of desperation, that sense
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  Speaker 1: of grit that Cleveland had. Now, moving forward, you better
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  Speaker 1: come up with that sense because things are quite uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 1: and they could get quite more uncomfortable very quickly. And
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  Speaker 1: the shame of it is Cody to kind of transition
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  Speaker 1: to like more of the tactical on the field stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The shame of it is.
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  Speaker 1: That you had your three top guys on the mound
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  Speaker 1: for this series, obviously not in order that you would
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  Speaker 1: go in the playoffs. But you had your three top guys,
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  Speaker 1: and from pretty good to x outings from.
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  Speaker 2: Each of them, each of them gave you ah. Each
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  Speaker 2: of them gave you a shot.
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  Speaker 1: In case we forget Casey Maies gave up three runs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, into the six inning, he had eight ks.
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  Speaker 1: Flerty goutted himself through five innings, he gave up one
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  Speaker 1: run on three hits. And then Schooble today, which you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably had they not lost the first two games, the
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  Speaker 1: most anxiety would have been, what's schoobl gonna look like?
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't one hundred percent Schooble, but he still gave
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  Speaker 1: you six He still only allowed seven one run and
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  Speaker 1: had nine k's to two walks. So you had outings
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  Speaker 1: where your starting pitchers like your starters, your starters in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, like if they started today, gave.
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  Speaker 2: You a chance to win.
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  Speaker 1: And in the last two games he scored zero runs
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  Speaker 1: and then you scored one run.
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  Speaker 2: You got beat.
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  Speaker 3: You gon be surprised, shouldn't be surprize cans team can't hit.
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  Speaker 3: Team can't hit anymore. I mean they haven't hit at
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  Speaker 3: all in the second half. It's getting words I don't
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  Speaker 3: really want to hear. Oh, they had good at bats
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  Speaker 3: and they hit the ball hard, because in a few
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  Speaker 3: circumstances they did, and in a lot of circumstances they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: They're chasing in three ball counts, they're chasing in two
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  Speaker 3: strike counts. They're not executing situationally. You know, the out
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  Speaker 3: with the contact player, hitter doesn't get the ball in
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  Speaker 3: the air, the next guy's punches. Like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: situations where you didn't have guys come through, including some
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  Speaker 3: of your big horses. And then you get in the
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  Speaker 3: bottom half of this lineup right now, and you got
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  Speaker 3: some holes. You got Tray Sweeney playing almost every day.
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  Speaker 3: Tray Sweeney's WRC plus in the second half, you know,
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  Speaker 3: five five five single did it ninety five percent worse
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  Speaker 3: than league average and he's playing almost every day. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that you. I mean, we'll talk about the
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  Speaker 3: Hobby Buys stuff in a minute, but like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what solution you have. You don't have another great
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  Speaker 3: answer at shortstop, but that just tells you you have
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  Speaker 3: some holes in this lineup. Still. First ours, this organization
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  Speaker 3: has calm and the grant all this team that it's
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  Speaker 3: a great year bombing your lamps not very good man, and.
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  Speaker 2: That includes an All Star by the way, in Zach.
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  Speaker 3: McKinstry be very good in the second half. Who is
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  Speaker 3: not people Scott Harris is probably about the only person
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  Speaker 3: a live surprise by that I've come to really like
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  Speaker 3: z mac. He's a smart guy, plays his butt off,
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  Speaker 3: central to everything this team does. But we really think
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna continue to produce an all star level come
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  Speaker 3: on sure?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the Tray Sweeney stuff, it's it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to see the justification. Like it's probably because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys on that that that the
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  Speaker 1: front office loves that have like, all right, well, this
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  Speaker 1: particular skill set, we believe in this and it can
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  Speaker 1: help us win and gives us this percentage advantage of
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  Speaker 1: the course of byah blah blah blah blah. Like we
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  Speaker 1: like the basically every pitcher they acquired the trade deadline
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  Speaker 1: kind of fell into that category, right, But the Sweeney thing,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's getting harder. Like he had just go
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  Speaker 1: look at his games play. It's not like it's a
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  Speaker 1: small sample size that he has a five WRC plus
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  Speaker 1: all right, Like it doesn't it doesn't materialize anything. And defensively,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a tough play, but he also couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get to that ball as soon as he came into
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  Speaker 1: the game in the whole You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, I'm gonna go into it. Then this,
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  Speaker 3: this really should not be the lead. There's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things going on with the team, but Hobby Baias
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  Speaker 3: it's September eighteenth, He's played eight games this month now,
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  Speaker 3: Hobby Bias has not been very good. He's playing very
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  Speaker 3: poorly in the second half. His WRC plus is thirty
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  Speaker 3: five in the second half, which is really bad, and
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  Speaker 3: still thirty percentage points better than Tray Weeney. And he's
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  Speaker 3: just he's I understand you don't want to start him
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  Speaker 3: against a righty starter. I get that. There was a
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  Speaker 3: mid game substitution Wednesday where I thought it would have
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  Speaker 3: made sense to put him in. Sweeney came in instead.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to Aj Hinch about that. He seemed to
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  Speaker 3: frame it as though he wanted Sweeney as a left
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  Speaker 3: handed hitter so that the Guardians would bring in a
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  Speaker 3: lefty and he could then instot Like you know, AJ's
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  Speaker 3: good at that stuff. But then the next game Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: Jami Jones goes into hit and then goes back out
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  Speaker 3: to right field, Whinstle Perez goes to center. Jami Jones
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  Speaker 3: has started two games all year, and right he started
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  Speaker 3: five games in the outfield all year. A J. Hinch
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  Speaker 3: has managed all season very actively avoiding putting Jami Jones
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  Speaker 3: in the outfield. Hobby Bie's has been great in the center.
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  Speaker 3: You're still in a close game, it's three one at
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  Speaker 3: that point, maybe he was thinking, like if this game
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  Speaker 3: gets extra innings, I want extra righty or something. But
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  Speaker 3: Hobby Biz has been nowhere to be found. I've asked
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  Speaker 3: about it. I makes me wonder is he feeling something physically,
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  Speaker 3: some off field going on that they don't want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about, because the answer, I, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: been like, well, the quality of that bad hasn't been good.
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  Speaker 3: And then like we you know, we basically want going
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  Speaker 3: with the other left handed bat, which is Tray Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: Traceweene has been terrible. The matchups don't matter if he
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  Speaker 3: can't hit right handed pitching. Tray Sweeney's numbers against right
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  Speaker 3: handed pitching his ops this season is five point fifty five,
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  Speaker 3: So that's not very good. And the reason I'm on
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  Speaker 3: a rant about a player who's not that good right now, Kieran,
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  Speaker 3: is because hovey By still does a lot of small things. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I was talking to someone who really knows baseball, really
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  Speaker 3: gets the ins and outs. Remember that stolen base off
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  Speaker 3: Brandt Herder Guardians just swiped third, you know, as he's
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  Speaker 3: sitting there on the rubber, it was like, how much
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  Speaker 3: of that is on Hurder? How much of that is
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  Speaker 3: on Colt Keith? You stationed way off the bag, that's
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  Speaker 3: where they had him playing against a lefty batter. But
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  Speaker 3: like this, you know, I said, well, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: that's on the shortstop. You got to be holding that runner.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta be alerting your pitcher as to what is
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  Speaker 3: going on. I think it was McKinstry at short in
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  Speaker 3: that in that moment, I said, you think that would
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  Speaker 3: happen with hovey By as the game The guy said,
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  Speaker 3: no way, I know. That's some instinctual stuff, little stuff
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  Speaker 3: that Tiger's been lacking.
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  Speaker 2: It's real stuff. And and again like.
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  Speaker 1: This is not like some sort of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: Hobby's a hidden gem that can come up the bench
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  Speaker 1: or hit for you do whatever. So we're not saying that,
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  Speaker 1: but I would imagine the other manager is probably more
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  Speaker 1: inclined to face Tray Sweeney than Hobby.
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  Speaker 3: Bias Hobby and at least run into one every now
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  Speaker 3: and then if if you had a better alternative than
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  Speaker 3: Trey Sweeney. I don't know that I'd be saying this
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  Speaker 3: stuff right now, but it's it's gotten strange that makes
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  Speaker 3: me think something else must be going on that we
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  Speaker 3: don't know about with Hobby. I don't know, because otherwise
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  Speaker 3: they think he needs to be playing at least a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we're we're gonna transition a little bit. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do some business and also try to be
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit a little bit of like of
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  Speaker 1: a positive outlook before we get to all the other problems.
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  Speaker 1: So it's time for our chart Topper of the Week,
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  Speaker 2: So our chart topper of the week is a guy
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  Speaker 2: who like had like.
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  Speaker 1: One of those legendary season moments, but it was taken
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  Speaker 1: away from him based on what happened afterward on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Carry Carpenter with his with his pinch hit
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  Speaker 1: first career pinch hit home run on Tuesday night over
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  Speaker 1: the center field wall. I mean, by itself an awesome moment,
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, awesome nine Detroit. Unfortunately it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be remembered because they end up losing the game, getting
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  Speaker 1: swept in the series.
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  Speaker 2: But uh it was. It did kind of get me thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: They the Tigers are on a bad role right now,
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  Speaker 1: and who who is really needed for them to get
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  Speaker 1: back on track? And I looked at a couple of
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  Speaker 1: guys numbers and wins Carry carp Cody Carry Carpenter in
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  Speaker 1: games that he starts. They are sixty one and forty
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  Speaker 1: two coming into today, and coming into today, he has
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  Speaker 1: a two eighty nine average, a six h six slug
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  Speaker 1: and a nine thirty six ops and wins just in wins.
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  Speaker 2: So that to me sounds like an impact on winning. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I say those numbers, and again a nine thirty six
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  Speaker 1: ops really stands out.
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  Speaker 2: I say those numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Does it feel like that in the day to day
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  Speaker 1: with like what Carry Carpenter does specifically at the plate,
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  Speaker 1: But we know there are other areas that he impacts
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  Speaker 1: the game intangible and tangentle.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent does man carry Carpenter is a winning player.
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  Speaker 3: I talk all the time about just his sheer strategic
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  Speaker 3: value of the way he impacts the game even if
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  Speaker 3: he's not in the game, or the way he can
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  Speaker 3: alter the late innings of a game. Carry Carpenter is
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  Speaker 3: he's really good, you know. So I think that that
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  Speaker 3: absolutely adds up. You should feel pretty fearless when he's
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  Speaker 3: at the plate. He's one of the very best hitters
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  Speaker 3: against righty's and all of baseball. He's not far off
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Judge shoheo tani territory against righty's. Yeah, it adds up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's got twenty six home runs on the season,
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  Speaker 1: twenty of them are in Tigers wins. So there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: seems like a pretty uh direct impact. And that leads
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  Speaker 1: us to our pick of the week, which is involving
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  Speaker 1: Kerry Carpenter.
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  Speaker 2: The Braves.
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  Speaker 1: As of right now, coming into town, our scheduled to
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  Speaker 1: throw Bryce Elder.
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  Speaker 2: On the mount. He's a right hand.
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  Speaker 3: The irony of Bryce Elder starting against forty one year
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  Speaker 3: old Charlie Morton is so by the way.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. He is a sacre ball pitch. He throws
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  Speaker 1: forty two point three percent sinkers, that's his most used pitch.
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  Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter against sinkers is a four fifty two hitter
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  Speaker 1: with a seven sixty two slug and he has a
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  Speaker 1: five run value against that pitch, which is by far
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  Speaker 1: the highest run value that he has at this season.
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  Speaker 2: So it is.
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  Speaker 1: Primed and it's needed that like carry Carpenter like, he's
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, let's let's go with something
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  Speaker 1: a little bit also positive Cody before we kind of
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  Speaker 1: get into some other things that are not so great.
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  Speaker 1: And that's uh Tarrek Schouoble looked like that, Like he
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  Speaker 1: looked like Trek Schooble, Like we got the man. Yeah right,
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  Speaker 1: what was it the second endy he he unleashed one
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  Speaker 1: hundred plus.
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  Speaker 2: Uh he was.
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  Speaker 3: One on one point five third fastest pitch from him
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  Speaker 3: all year, last pitcher that it was ninety nine point
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  Speaker 3: five one and two pitches.
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  Speaker 2: He good, Yeah, he's good.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you know the home run that he gave
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  Speaker 1: up to Noel like that was it's not where he
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to be, but it wasn't like an egregious
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  Speaker 1: pitch or anything like that. Uh you know, such curb
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  Speaker 1: or assuming change up on the outside corner that just
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  Speaker 1: didn't break far enough, but it wasn't and it got
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  Speaker 1: I mean, give that guy credit.
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  Speaker 2: He pulled the hell out of that ball. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Schooble looked like his old self. He was
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  Speaker 1: able to muster himself out of some jams as well.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom of the lineup was oddly successful against him,
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  Speaker 1: but again he was able to, you know, to get
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  Speaker 1: out of those situations. Got squeezed a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: had the emotional outburst, had had the quick chat with
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  Speaker 1: the uppire that AJ had to interrupt. So in terms
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  Speaker 1: of attitude and you know, and out output, seemed like
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  Speaker 1: he was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Seemed like he was okay.
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  Speaker 1: So all this normal everything that we we were told like,
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  Speaker 1: everything's normal. I guess we have to say that was
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the correcting, the correct message they were portraying to us.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I really could not ask for much more out
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: of Schooll today. The Guardians put up some really good
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: at bats, made him work a little bit, maybe took
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: him a couple of innings to really dial in the command,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: but looked as good as ever. Makes that injury kind
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of weird, right, Something happened bad enough the idea to
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: take himself out of the game, and then five six
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: days later it's just back to normal. I don't know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: let's hope that's the last we hear of it. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: guess right, you want to know, I'm a little concerning
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: though Tiers have lost three of the past five Schoobal starts.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: There's that game in Oakland. He was really good, then
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: it kind of unraveled. There's a game where he wasn't
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: that good, came out with the injury there today where
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: he was really good, he got no run support. Even
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: with Scoobel on the mounds, they have not been all
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that good as of late.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the that that home run that he
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: gave up was the first U O two home run
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: that he had given up this season, only a third
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of his career. So yeah, that's what I mean with
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: all those like little things like adding up over the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: course of a series where you get where you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you walk out of it feeling like you got your
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: butt whooped.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Uh so, So yeah, I wanna.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I want to say a positive development there is that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like at least you presumably should have a full schooble
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: moving forward, and the campaign, the cy Young campaign remains active,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I would say.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: So.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Let's keep with let's keep with the pitchers.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: A couple of transactional things today too, I thought we
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: might Did you think we were going to see Seawall today?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: He was activated?
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: So he was activated? I think, yeah, I was surprised
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: he wasn't activated the day before. Honestly interesting, jose Keaty
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: optioned technically dfaid and then option consenting to an option
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: because he has enough service time to reject it. But
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: he's got the player option, so it makes sense for
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: him to stay in the org or club option, I think. Anyway,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: so remember when Jose or Kid was going to rescue
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: this team. That was short lived, but hey, Paul Seawall's
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: back to rescue this team. Now, if you remember, not
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: too long ago, I was like, you know what, I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: don't know if we talked about that Seawall moveing off,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: that could be kind of nice for the Tigers. He
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: was eligible to come back September tenth. He's not getting
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: back until September eighteenth. I watched a little bit of
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: that last rehab outing. Didn't look that good man stuff
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: one too good good. So hope he pitches better than
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: he was pitching down in Triple A Toledo.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, another aspect of what we had
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: talked about is like the bullpen. You know, you have
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: all these arms that you're trying to figure out, like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: who is kind of able to come in searching certain situations.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: That list is a lot shorter than than now. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: think people would freely admit it. But for the most part,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: it was probably a little bit more uncomfortable of a conversation.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And Melton's a guy that we you know, Troy Mellencams
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: comes in today and he's got to and he's got
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to face Kwan, and he's got to face Jose Ramirez.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And and that was another, like I wrote it down
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in my notes while watching the game, that that was
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: another that was like a prove it moment. Like We're
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of prove it moments over the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: course of the next you know, two weeks or whatever,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: because like, yeah, ages gotta know who we can trust
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and what must you know?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: What must you know?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: All these guys have and Melton for a day, like
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: he didn't pass the prove it moment test, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And that's a hard ass. It's a hard ask in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a tie game to against the top of that Cleveland lineup.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: What this is the big leagues and you're trying to
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: win a World Series.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So like, yeah, Melton's allowed runs in each of his
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: past four outings. The stuff is really good, Like it's primo.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like the location has maybe tapered off the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: overall execution. And I really like Troy Melton, you know that, right,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But I don't know how surprised I am. He's a
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: rookie carrying one of the biggest workloads of his life.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So again, you've staked a lot on guys coming off
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the il, staked a lot on a rookie to be
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: an absolute Swiss army knife in your bullpen. In fact
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: that he's running into some struggles. In fact, Jose Ramirez
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: has taking them deep. Sometimes these things just happened against
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: young pitchers.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Man, is there is it? I feel like it's more
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on the board than it's ever been that we like
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: look back and think, man, that was kind of sky
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of unfair to ask him to do all this, And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it feels.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Far and more like that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It feels more and more like that time he goes
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: out there and isn't like playing to his capability, like.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: In the way he earned the opportunity by pitching really
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: well when he got the chance. But in a way,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: this was kind of always part of the Tiger's plan, right,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: which I mean, we can talk about that all day long,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: but it's a risky plan.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and then
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: afterward we'll talk about the what might be the lasting
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: impact from this game, and that is one Colt Keith's injury.
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• 24:00
  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, You know, Cold Keith really
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: both corner guys Cody had a very busy first couple
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: endings of this game. You have Torq with the mishandle
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and gets the uh. You know, he gets the output
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the mishandle on the ground ball first batter of the game.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And then Cold Keith makes a nice diving stop but
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: then has the kind of up in between up the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: line throw that tork has a semi collision with Jose Ramirez.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And then he also dropped well, I don't want to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: say drop but like miss played a foul out because
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he didn't drop it because it didn't go in his gloves.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying it didn't drop it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: That was a weird one.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And then you know, slamming his hand on the uh
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: on the padding there, Uh, more emotion than you typically.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: See out of Cold Keith. But then but then he rips.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: A double and uh and and puts the Tigers in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: advantageous situation there and uh.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: It runs well like he's moving well the whole time.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And then and then he and then then and ends
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: we know how then and ended uh with the contact
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: play and then not being able to generate any more offense,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and and then he's out with back tightness.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Not great.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know exactly what what happened there. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: way he hit that, that padding was a little weird.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he jolted them. I don't know
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: if he did on the swing. I don't know if
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: he did running the bases. But the prognosis from aj
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Hinch after the game didn't seem too optimistic. So Colt
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: was coming off the field and all he was saying
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to me was I got to come out of the game.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I got to come out of the game. Hinch went
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: on to say, it's very concerning this time of year,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: especially when he was that passionate about something going on
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: in his backside rib region. You don't here, aj Hinch,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: without knowing the diagnosis, used the word concerning that often.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: That tells me he knows enough to to know this
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: thing probably ain't too good. An aisle stint would would
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: obviously end Colt Keith's at least regular season, and then
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: it remains unclear what exactly they would do to replace
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: him on the roster. If indeed, Colt were to go
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: on the il, Jayhen could be an option. Jay Hen
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: hasn't played since September twelfth, when he got hit in
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the head by like another player or something weird like that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Jase Young, I think is one of the more obvious options.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: We know the Tigers have been pretty down on Jace Young,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: So even though Colt's performance has tapered off lately, not
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: someone you want to lose when things aren't going well
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: as a team.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, at a certain point when you
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: know you just need offense and you need uh and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you feel thin, thinner than you have the whole year,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and this is before the uh, you know, the injury. Today,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you want as many high upside offensive players as you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: can and Colt Keith certainly fits that category.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And again we saw it. He ripped that ball. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: mean that was that was in.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: A excuse me double like like he put a charge
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: into that one. And and and not to mention, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: being able to hold handle third base, you know, in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a somewhat good fashion, which allows McKinstry to play shortstop
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and you know all these things. Uh, I almost feel
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like you have no choice but to bring up Chase,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: but then again, like they've actively avoided.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: That for a while.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin Newman, who he could actually play some shortstop.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's what you need. I don't. You don't have
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: great options, is what it boils down to.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it boils down to. And what it
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: boils down to is you need you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Need And they're not calling up Kevin McGonagall. Let's just
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: be adults about it. This can't happen.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What you need is you need your horses is to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: lead you this weekend. Cody against Atlanta, the hot team,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: by the way, and you need Riley Green to not
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: go hitless.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You know, the bats were cool, but.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Riley Green in the second half, Karen have not been
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: too good. It's in two twenty five in the second half,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: LPs falling all the way to seven fifteen in the
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: second half. He's got ten homers, but in a way
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: outside of the home runs, Man not been good for
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Riley Green.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's not a there's it's a pretty simple
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: formula for this Tigers team to reach any levels of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: success and certainly getting out of a rut, and it
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: involves Riley Green finding his groove again.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And there would not really be a better time than
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: There's one thing that gives me no I think we're
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: breaking up a little bit here, if there's if there's
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: one thing that gives me solace. The Tigers have their flaws,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: but they're they're not terrible, right, They're too good. Like
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: they have some players who are generally good players like
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Riley Green, even Cole Keith if ever healthy, I throw
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: him in there that like, eventually they're gonna get it going. Kids,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Can they get going before you run out of games?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: To get going exactly?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly and again last home stand times a crucial get
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that hunger like you might. You haven't been the hunt,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the hunter, you might as well be the hunter now,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: uh you know, to paraphrase some of the phrasing from
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: earlier in the week. All right, you guy guys can
• 29:35
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• 29:49
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• 29:51
  Speaker 1: see what happens this weekend. See if we can have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a more positive outlook uh after the final home stand
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of the season. So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Kieran stek
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Let everybody have a great deck.