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Ep. 14 - Did You Myth Me? · Martyr's Row

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  Thomas, called Didymus, preached the gospel in
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  Parthia and India, where, exciting the rage of
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  the pagan priest, he was martyred by being thrust
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  through with a spear. Hey, Paul. Hey, Steven.
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  So this is still early in the podcast. Yeah.
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  And so this is not necessarily something that
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  would happen this early. So I'm not going to
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  pretend like this came in the mail, even though
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  it did come in the mail. But I feel like we always
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  throw people for a loop in the beginning. We
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  don't even know what to expect, and I know they
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  don't. Well, and it's funny, too, because I feel
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  like a lot of it is like, well, they both, they
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  definitely talked about everything that they're
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  talking about now. Yeah. But the truth is, is
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  like, some of it, we actually just surprise each
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  other. Yeah. I feel like big picture. Yes, we've
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  talked about all of this stuff for the most part.
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  Yeah. But then when it comes down to it's like,
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  oh, we're just. Yeah, it's like not off the cuff,
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  but it is kind of off the cuff Yeah, cuz there's
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  a little bit of back and forth of like hey, do
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  you have something? Okay, don't tell me yet.
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  Surprise me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then it's
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  like no Okay, tell me this time so I can work
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  on something. Yeah It just depends, you know,
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  so but this time Something did come in the mail.
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  Okay, but it did not come from a viewer. Hmm
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  Because the viewers don't know where they can
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  send stuff to us. That's true. Except for a poll
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  at martyrsrow .com Oh yeah, you're right. But
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  I can't receive physical mail. Well, you can.
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  Physical mail through that email? Yeah, it's
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  a new thing that Gmail's doing. Google. It's
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  called a printer. Yeah, they 3D print things
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  into your inbox. That would be pretty cool. From
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  your inbox. That would be pretty cool, actually.
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  I mean, that's coming. Hopefully 3d printer in
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  your house, and then it just it automatic. It's
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  a fax machine Yeah, a material fax machine that'd
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  be wild that would actually be really cool Yeah,
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  but so if you want to send us something then
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  you can go to youtube .com Backslash martyrs
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  row and Try and send us something try it. I think
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  YouTube will receive it You could just ship it
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  directly to YouTube Backslash martyrs row. That's
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  how that works, right? I have no clue. PO box?
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  Is that a PO box? I think that's what a PO box
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  is. It's youtube .com. Backslash whatever your
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  podcast is called. It's worth a shot. So if you
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  want to send us something then you can do that.
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  No, okay, so Paul, I have a gift for you. Yeah.
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  Did you catch on? Alright, so here's the thing,
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  and I was hoping you were gonna do this actually,
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  but if you know Paul, then you know, or I guess
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  if you've watched the podcast a couple times,
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  you know that Paul, I think only has one hat.
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  You know what's so funny, I actually have a few
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  hats, but this one, it was my first hat. Ever?
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  Um, not ever, but pretty close to. Okay. And
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  the reason why is because I couldn't wear hats
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  for the longest time. Why? Like they just didn't
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  look good on me. Okay, I understand that. And
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  this was the first hat that I think looked okay
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  on me. And it's just conformed to my head. I
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  understand. And so whenever I put a new hat on,
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  it's like, it's just not broken in yet. It doesn't
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  make me look the way this hat makes me feel.
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  I totally understand that. Yeah. Yeah, and you
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  have like really curly hair too. I do, which
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  doesn't help. Yeah, I mean or it does depending
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  on the hat that's fair, but you can see I've
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  got this like Growth coming on this but now the
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  thing is is your hat is pink or it was pink I
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  don't really know what color it is right now.
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  I don't either but It all of a sudden there's
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  a badge on top. Oh, yeah, what happened? Why
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  is there a badge on top someone? So if you know
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  me Especially recently, you know that I get into
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  this habit sometimes where I get really focused
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  in work and with the podcasting, all this, and
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  then I just forget to eat. Oh, OK. And so this
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  has been happening for the last month or so.
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  Is that a meal ticket? It's food stamps. It's
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  a golden ticket. And I've been traveling a lot,
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  so I'm like, well, I'm not going to buy a lot
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  of groceries. If I if I'm gonna go out of town,
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  I have no idea where you're going with this There's
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  a medallion on your hat you're talking about
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  groceries. Yeah, believe it or not. It actually
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  all follows Okay leads to your answer. That's
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  interesting. Um, and so yes, I just don't have
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  a lot of groceries at home. I do now because
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  I'm like, okay, I'm going to be home for a little
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  bit so I can buy some food. I'm getting better.
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  Good. Thanks. Congrats. Then I just was not eating
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  and my friends knew this. At least people that
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  I'd hang out with, they're like, did you eat
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  today? I'm like, no. Of course, these are all
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  women typically because men aren't like, did
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  you eat today? There's just women walking around
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  the house. Women are just like, have you eaten?
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  Have you eaten? I'm just like, no. So I was at
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  my friend's house and they're like, did you eat
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  today, Paul? I was like, no, I haven't eaten
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  yet. What prompts that question, though? I don't
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  know. That's really weird to just be like - I
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  think they just care about me. They're like,
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  he looks malnourished. Their motherly instincts
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  just kick in and they're like, that boy has to
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  eat. Paul, you look like you have not eaten.
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  Well, thanks. Thanks, yeah. They're like, you're
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  going to eat. I'm like, no, no, no. You don't
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  have to. That's fine. Like, no, no, no. You need
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  to eat. So they made me food. OK. And I ate it.
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  It was really good. And so I was like, oh, it's
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  food. I forgot what this tastes like. And so
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  they were so proud of me for having eaten that
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  they put this sticker. And it stayed there. Yeah.
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  And I just kept it. How does it stay there, though?
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  I don't. I'm actually the most surprised about
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  that. So yeah, they just gave me this sticker.
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  It's like a little prize for eating. So you're
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  just waiting until it falls off Yeah, it's like
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  the balloon that went to the ceiling and no one
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  just kind of down you just kind of wait for it
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  Yeah, that's it. Oh, isn't that in the office?
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  Is it they like the warehouse calls upstairs
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  at one point and they're like it's falling and
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  everybody runs downstairs to watch it slowly
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  comes down The helium leaks out of there. That's
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  incredible. Yeah, okay, so I have a gift for
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  you. Oh This is funny so excited because I feel
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  like this is a staple thing like if you know
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  pot if you know Paul in real life then The hat
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  is like yeah. Thank you for bringing up the hat
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  But since you're podcast listeners, you may not
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  know about the hat. So I'm bringing you in the
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  loop. Welcome to the loop. All right, so here's
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  the thing. I actually got one for both of us.
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  Ooh. But they're slightly different. And the
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  one I wanted to get you, the one that I got is
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  actually better for you. OK. So I kept the one
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  I wanted to get. I love it. I don't know if that
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  makes sense. I think so. Let's go this one is
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  that one's mine. This one is yours This is actually
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  better I know that's okay amazing so little unboxing
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  vid yeah, so Viewer this is a black hat and you
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  can see This is the one that I was like, oh I
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  need to get I saw this and I was like I need
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  to get this for Paul And then I saw this one
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  This pink hat and I saw this one and I was like,
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  no, this one's actually better for Paul That's
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  so good cuz like I'm pretty sure the hat you're
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  wearing was that color. It was pretty close And
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  now it's not All right. It's this is the old
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  tradeout You ready the old tradeout? Okay, I'll
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  commentate Well, you got to get it right though
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  You got to get it right. I mean this is a and
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  I intentionally like I typically wear hats So
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  I intentionally didn't wear a hat because we
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  have to wear these hats for this episode I'm
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  getting rid of this pink hat. It's X pink hat.
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  You don't have to get rid of it I'm gonna keep
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  it because I feel like you're gonna put it on
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  the shelf Yeah, you can put it up before the
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  medallion falls off. Oh, then it won't fall off.
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  Yeah But here's the other thing if that hat doesn't
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  feel right Don't feel bad about not wearing it
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  No, this is what I feel like I have to make I
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  have to break it in you have to I mean It's a
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  pretty good this it feels really nice. Yeah,
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  it feels broken in. Yeah, it does. All right,
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  go ahead All right, Paul is trying on the hat
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  Well, you did you have to like Deuce you're not
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  gonna do anything to it. You have to like it
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  actually feels really nice Just stock like this
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  actually feels great stock. Yeah Does it look
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  good? I can't really see. I feel like you need
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  to tighten it a little bit. OK. Yeah. I mean,
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  because it's like I mean, hats are one size fits
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  all. But at the same time, it's like you got
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  to kind of make it fit to your head a little
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  bit. So like these are if you're just listening,
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  these are dad hats. That's the. That's the understood
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  style of this hat which basically just means
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  that like you can shove this hat into the back
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  of your pants and Or in your back pocket, and
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  it doesn't really matter. That's probably still
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  too tight. Yeah. Yeah, it does feel a lot better
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  now You also you have to like round the bill
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  out a little bit But yeah It's a little taller
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  is great. Oh mine's not Feels really good bill
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  is like the funny thing is like the people that
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  are watching the camera Like the thing is is
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  we can't see ourselves except there is like barely
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  there a window a piece of glass So we're like
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  kind of looking But you guys are getting a better
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  view than we are. Yeah for sure and you're like
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  no both of you need to throw those hats away
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  Well, we're not a dead hat guy, you know, we're
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  gonna at some point. Here's the thing These are
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  the hats that we're wearing for the rest of the
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  episode. It feels really nice on my head. Whether
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  we wear them again ever, it doesn't really matter.
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  How about give us a like if you want us to keep
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  wearing them. Give us a like if you want us to
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  keep wearing them and give us a comment if you
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  want us to throw them away. What if we did like...
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  Don't dislike it, just like it. What if we did,
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  like, if 20 people comment, wear the hat, that
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  we have to wear them every episode for the next,
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  like, 10 episodes. Oh, dang. Hope my memory's
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  that good. I mean, you guys decide that. We'll
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  figure it out. We're ready. Let's do it. I'm
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  down for it. All right, here we go. Three, two,
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  one. Alright, here we go. Hey, hey nice hat Paul.
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  Thanks you nice hat to you as well. Thanks, man.
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  It's a good look. Thanks That should be the song
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  oh Dad hat You even sang it dad hat we need to
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  plug that in oh, yeah You guys couldn't hear
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  that's truly acoustic Are you ready for this?
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  This is the rawness of Martyrs Row. You get to
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  hear the pop. Just kidding, we'll edit that so
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  you don't have to hear all that. We'll add a
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  pop. Let me see if it's working. Yeah, I think
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  so. All right, this is a the writing corner welcome
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  not the writing corner. No, that's not what we
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  song corner. I don't know We're not really in
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  a I guess this whole Room is a corner. You know,
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  it's funny to me Well, everything's in the corner
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  I think it's funny because I feel like when we
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  started this section. Mm -hmm. It was with the
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  intent of writing a theme song and then To this
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  point now, it's more of like, hey, I have a new
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  idea for something fun. We've just abandoned
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  the theme part of it. Well, I don't know. I feel
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  like eventually we'll... Well, I think... It's
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  like each... I'm sorry, keep going. Did you have
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  something you wanted to say? I will too. We should
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  try and do that one episode. We just never finish
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  a thought. It's just you keep starting and I
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  start and then you start. I think this is the
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  laugh corner. We've probably laughed in this
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  segment more than anywhere else. That's so true.
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  Think that we've still like stayed on theme for
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  the most part. Yeah, I feel like it's like a
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  theme for the episode is what it's become a little
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  bit No, I I mean maybe yeah, but because martyrs
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  real instead of developing like one idea is what
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  I mean That's like here's a brand new fresh idea.
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  That's true. That's like I like it. I think it's
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  fun Yeah, I mean we'll probably just like, you
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  know by the time they see this episode we might
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  just clip every song Yeah, and then just put
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  them up and you guys Won't listen to them. We
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  just put them up It's for us. Yeah Yeah, just
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  every clip. It's more of like a catalog, but
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  we can cut it down to where it's just the part
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  of the writing Yeah segment where we don't actually
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  sing the song You're gonna come to the episode
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  to hear the song yeah, the song payoff doesn't
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  happen unless you watch the episode That would
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  be why we kind of like anti clips Did you want
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  to hear this mediocre idea? Well, here's how
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  we got there. But no payoff. But no payoff. Oh,
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  man. Well, OK. So I kind of have an idea. Let's
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  go. But Dad Hat sounds fun. But then that's like
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  that kind of furthers. I feel like it's going
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  to be like a funky. Yeah. No, it's like Yacht
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  Rock. Yeah. It's kind of me. I'm surprised there's
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  not a... That sounds like an SNL sketch. I feel
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  like that could be a really cool album title,
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  Dad Hat. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, who would
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  do that? Who's the guy? Not Keith Urban. Is it
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  Keith Urban? There's like a... Maybe... I think...
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  It's like... I don't remember. There's a country
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  artist who's like mostly out on a boat. But it's
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  not Keith Urban. Are you thinking of... Oh, it's
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  right at the front of my head. The Margaritaville
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  guy? No, he's too old. He doesn't care about
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  that. I can't think of his name right now either.
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  Tommy Bahama? Tommy Bahama! Oh, what is his name?
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  Leave a comment below. Who's the boat guy? Leave
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  a comment below if you're frustrated with us.
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  They're like, come on! Okay, to the song. Which
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  here's the fun part about this too is you're
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  like I have an idea here Paul you play guitar
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  And it's kind of fun because I think it's like,
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  oh neither of us know what's gonna happen. Yeah,
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  I think we did that the last episode. Yeah But
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  that was like real -time writing. Yeah, which
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  I don't even know if we talked about it and then
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  yeah You just sang over top it maybe we did talk
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  about it after I don't remember we may have after
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  yeah Let's get really that was last so they can't
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  hear what we're saying Let's just talk over top
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  of each other really quietly so they can't understand
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  what we're saying. But then we'll talk loud and
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  stop each other from talking. If you haven't
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  tuned out yet, here's your chance. You're a true
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  Martyrs Row fan. Yeah, which is a funny thing
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  to say. It's like, I love Martyrs Row. Sorry?
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  Explain a little bit. Yeah. Alright, so yeah,
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  I do have an idea. I think E probably makes sense.
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  Do you know how to do the like the open E thing?
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  You mean like this guy? Yeah. Now play it like
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  Blink -182. Let me check if you're recording.
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  He's not even going through. Do you like something
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  like that? Is it recording? Hey. Let me see if
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  I can remember it in my head, because it's like
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  a... Something like this. It'd be like... We
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  honor those who came before Our faith heroes
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  On martyr's row, on martyr's row On martyr's
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  row On martyr's row I won't do that. I won't
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  do that. No, you can't. Well, you said turn around,
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  and then I just didn't listen to you. That's
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  right. I'm the MD right now. And we're no turn
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  around. One, one, one, one, one. All right, let's
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  try it again. OK. I don't have any verses for
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  this. We don't need verses. Who needs verses?
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  I'm just going to scream it. That'll be the verse.
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  Same thing, but scream it. OK, deal. On martyr's
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  row, we honor those who came before our faith
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  heroes. On martyr's row, on martyr's row, on
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  martyr's row. Turn around. I like how your turn
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  around's just a four and then right back to one.
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  Not much time. You're like... Okay, let's try
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  it again. I'll follow your turn around this time.
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  I'm not going to do it this time. Just call it
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  and don't do it. Or will I? Okay. You'll never
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  understand me, mom! Turn around! You'll never
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  understand me, mom! Turn around! Turn around!
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  I feel like I need to do that in a song. Just
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  shout it out. Yeah. Turn around. Turn around.
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  Yeah! Every now and then. Oh, what a song. Okay,
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  now the acoustic's way too loud. Uh oh. It's
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  a little distorted. It's good. It's good for
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  it. Little out of tune, little distorted. All
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  right, you ready? Sure. Not again. I'm loving
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  this. It's fun. Here we go. 1, 2, 3, you're my
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  stepdad. You're my stepdad? I don't know. I was
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  just thinking of my real dad, and then I was
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  like, nah. Let me stay kind of positive. Yeah.
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  It's a Christian podcast. That's the Christian
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  email. Yeah. All right. OK. Here we go. Two,
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  three, four. Turn around. On, on Martyr's Row,
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  we honor those who came before our faith heroes.
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  On Martyr's Row, on Martyr's Row, on Martyr's
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  Row. Will I do it? Turn around! I can't, I don't
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  know how long it's gonna... I don't either! One,
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  two, three! On Martyr's Row! Turn around! I can
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  turn around anywhere. Alright, for real this
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  time. Two, three, four! I hope the stomping helps.
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  I hope so. On Martyr's Row, we honor those who
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  came before our faith heroes. On Martyr's Row,
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  on Martyr's Row, on Martyr's Row. On martyr's
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  row, we honor those who came before our faith
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  heroes On martyr's row, on martyr's row, on martyr's
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  row On martyr's row, we honor those who came
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  before our faith heroes On martyr's row, on martyr's
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  row On martyr's row we honor those who came before
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  our faith heroes On martyr's row, on martyr's
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  row, on martyr's row I missed. Three, two, one.
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  Gotta catch my breath. That was wild. It was
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  wild. Yeah, hats still on. You knew they had
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  to be. All right, Paul, let's jump into it. Let's
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  do it. I have a question for you. I'm ready.
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  Last episode, we left off a little, you know,
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  a little bit of a cliffhanger. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe
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  it was a soft cliff. A hill. A hill hanger. A
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  slope. So I have a question for you. Okay. Are
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  you ready? Always. Are you sure? No. Paul? You're
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  supposed to say, yes Stephen? Yes Stephen. Did
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  you miff me? This episode's full of surprises
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  Should I ask that again? I don't think you understood
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  Actually, I think you did understand Well, Paul,
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  did you myth me? I did. The people want to know.
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  I actually wrote it down. The myth of Stephen.
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  I've been mythed. You've been mythed? Why does
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  that feel so hard to say? It's hard to give yourself
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  a lisp. Well, it's not a lisp. It's a word. It
• 26:17
  is a word, but it feels like a lisp. That's true.
• 26:21
  I'm just using it incorrectly. Actually, how
• 26:23
  great would that be if we... to be mythed? You
• 26:30
  can be missed. Yeah, but I want people to myth
• 26:33
  us. But like, M -I -S -T. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
• 26:36
  mean, M -I -S -T? Wrong emphasis. Why would you
• 26:42
  want to be missed? I don't know. It'd be fun
• 26:46
  to be little particles of water. It could be
• 26:48
  kind of cool. Yeah, especially for the person
• 26:51
  receiving it. Yeah, that's true. They would enjoy
• 26:52
  it. Yeah, it would cool them down. Yeah. Well,
• 26:58
  Paul, did you miss me? I missed you! Wow! The
• 27:04
  people want to know. What's the deal with all
• 27:07
  the myths? Yeah, so myth. I feel like I broke
• 27:17
  Paul. I'm trying to think of how do I make you
• 27:20
  into a myth? Oh, that would be fun gather around
• 27:24
  The tale of Stephen how I feel like on our next
• 27:28
  like martyrs intro. Yeah, it'll just be a myth
• 27:32
  that we wrote about you We could end episodes
• 27:35
  with myths that could be fun we start with and
• 27:38
  that's actually a good point like are the Are
• 27:42
  the stories that we're reading, why aren't those
• 27:45
  myths? Yeah. That's a good question. I mean,
• 27:51
  I have the answer. Yeah, answer it. Well, because
• 27:54
  like on the last episode, we read like a myth
• 27:57
  has to have a supernatural element in it. Did
• 28:01
  it say it has to or is it often? It said it often
• 28:04
  includes supernatural beings and events. That
• 28:10
  makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so like that that's
• 28:12
  kind of a qualifier a little bit. Yeah in that
• 28:15
  realm something fantastical Yeah, yeah, that's
• 28:18
  more. Yeah. Yeah, but I I still think Yeah, I
• 28:24
  guess depending on what your tradition is maybe
• 28:26
  that could be a myth I Don't know Maybe think
• 28:33
  of the Muffets no myth Yeah, I wrote this thing
• 28:42
  down, but it's pretty serious, and I let's just
• 28:45
  jump in okay. Do it make it serious So here's
• 28:49
  the thing um and I wrote it down because that's
• 28:52
  the easiest way for me for my brain for me brain
• 28:55
  to think I Think I broke Paul This has been quite
• 29:02
  the adventure for me today This podcast was for
• 29:07
  Paul. I'm broken. It's awesome. OK, so we talked
• 29:13
  about we kind of set up what a myth was in the
• 29:16
  last episode. Yeah. Right. And then the goal
• 29:20
  was to get into some myths and look at the ways
• 29:24
  that myth in and of itself is the way that cultures
• 29:29
  kind of tell their history. And so one of the
• 29:33
  things I was I was thinking about and just kind
• 29:34
  of like train of thought just kind of wrote this
• 29:38
  down, but Basically, I think those who say life
• 29:43
  doesn't have to be that complicated or they might
• 29:46
  say to you all the time like people say to me
• 29:49
  You're overthinking it or It all has to be simpler
• 29:55
  than that Yeah, yeah doesn't isn't it simpler
• 30:00
  than that aren't you overthinking it and to those
• 30:03
  people I would quote Paul Not this Paul Ephesians
• 30:10
  6 12 for we do not wrestle against flesh and
• 30:13
  blood But against the rulers against the authorities
• 30:16
  against the cosmic powers over this present darkness
• 30:19
  Against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly
• 30:24
  places This doesn't mean it's complicated. It
• 30:27
  simply means that what is Actually going on is
• 30:31
  not what you see but only the effects of it so
• 30:37
  like I Feel like one of the things for me and
• 30:41
  this is something that I feel like you and I
• 30:43
  bonded over was this idea that like How do we
• 30:47
  explain how do we talk about all of the things
• 30:49
  that are actively happening? when we start to
• 30:52
  realize that everything that's happening is an
• 30:54
  effect of a dimension a world a reality that
• 31:01
  Interacts with us at all times, but we can't
• 31:03
  really see it. We don't perceive it And it's
• 31:06
  this, you know, for lack of better word, it's
• 31:11
  supernatural versus natural. So like it's something
• 31:14
  other than what is tangible or natural. And myth
• 31:20
  is the opportunity for us to tell the story of
• 31:23
  history, holding on or holding the natural reality
• 31:30
  in one hand and the supernatural world in the
• 31:33
  other. So myth gives us the opportunity to hold
• 31:37
  both the supernatural in one hand while holding
• 31:40
  the natural in the other. So you're holding both
• 31:43
  of these things at the same time. It's in fact
• 31:46
  the marrying of those two realities. History
• 31:50
  is natural fact. Myth ties the supernatural into
• 31:53
  the natural history. So if history is natural
• 31:58
  fact, meaning it's the tangible things that literally
• 32:02
  happened that people wrote down just details
• 32:05
  like, I got up this morning at six o 'clock and
• 32:10
  my alarm went off and none of these things are
• 32:12
  supernatural, right? They're not, they're things
• 32:15
  that like I touched or experienced with my five
• 32:18
  senses. But the supernatural integrated into
• 32:23
  that is what myths allow. us to perceive and
• 32:32
  understand and tell the things that we can't
• 32:35
  really explain with our five senses and describe
• 32:39
  them to others in a way that is true to us but
• 32:44
  expresses something that's non -tangible. And
• 32:48
  that all sounds really complicated. But if, like
• 32:54
  the truth is, is there is This concept of naturalism
• 33:00
  and the naturalist belief is per Google AI Bringing
• 33:09
  all this together natural naturalism is a philosophical
• 33:13
  theory that holds that nature is all that exists
• 33:16
  and that All events and beings in the universe
• 33:21
  are natural naturalists believe that the world
• 33:25
  The natural world is explainable through natural
• 33:28
  laws, and that the scientific method is the best
• 33:31
  way to learn about it. The truth is, if you're
• 33:36
  a naturalist alone, then Christ is foolishness.
• 33:42
  Because if you're a naturalist, the only place
• 33:46
  where Jesus enters in is for 33 years in the
• 33:52
  span of history. Right? So that can be proven
• 33:56
  from a naturalist standpoint. And in fact, the
• 34:00
  more it's proven from a naturalist standpoint,
• 34:02
  the more it brings validity to the faith. Yeah.
• 34:05
  The difficulty is the resurrection in a naturalist
• 34:10
  view. Yeah. And so to a naturalist, Jesus is
• 34:16
  foolishness. And Paul even says this to the Greek.
• 34:23
  he's foolishness. And to the Jew, he's a stumbling
• 34:28
  block. And so a naturalist Christian is kind
• 34:33
  of an oxymoron, which is interesting. So you
• 34:38
  can hold these two things together, natural and
• 34:42
  supernatural, but if we let go of the supernatural,
• 34:46
  if we let go of myth, That ties the two things
• 34:50
  together the natural and the supernatural. Yeah,
• 34:53
  so natural history tied in with supernatural
• 34:55
  events that are laced within that which would
• 34:59
  create a myth or a story of History that includes
• 35:04
  supernatural events. Yeah, if we can't have those
• 35:08
  two things together Then a myth is necessarily
• 35:12
  false or like we explained the last episode a
• 35:17
  fairy tale Yeah, but we know historically that
• 35:21
  fairy tales are designed to give an opportunity
• 35:26
  to tell a Moral or to give an example of like
• 35:31
  how you should live some things you should or
• 35:34
  shouldn't do. Yeah, right But that's not what
• 35:37
  myth is right myth is true history blended with
• 35:42
  supernatural events in order to explain things
• 35:45
  that we know as Christians As Paul says in Ephesians
• 35:49
  6, there are things happening that are affecting
• 35:53
  the five senses, but as a byproduct. They're
• 35:58
  not, it's not happening first in the natural
• 36:00
  world. It's happening in this other space. And
• 36:04
  what's happening in that other space in the present
• 36:07
  darkness is affecting and worrying against the
• 36:10
  natural space. And so being a Christian naturalist,
• 36:17
  is a bit of an oxymoron. The interesting thing
• 36:21
  is, when we talk about salvation, and you ask,
• 36:26
  well, what am I being saved from? Like, what
• 36:29
  is it that I'm being saved from? Well, if you're
• 36:34
  being saved, if you believe that you are saved,
• 36:38
  but you're a naturalist, then theoretically there's
• 36:41
  nothing to be saved from. What you're being saved
• 36:44
  from is supernatural. Yeah. So in the midst of
• 36:48
  that, what you are being saved from is supernatural.
• 36:52
  Even if you are saved, we all die and in the
• 36:56
  end, and end in the natural world. So the natural
• 37:02
  space dies. Right? So if the natural space dies,
• 37:08
  then what we are being saved from is death after
• 37:12
  death. Yeah. Yeah. That is supernatural Yeah,
• 37:19
  because death once is natural death twice is
• 37:22
  supernatural. Yeah So like yeah, it kind of all
• 37:27
  like all in one It's like we all have to die
• 37:30
  the earth the natural will all pass away. The
• 37:34
  Bible says the word will remain Hmm, the word
• 37:38
  of God Jesus will remain So when this natural
• 37:42
  life dies, the supernatural becomes our new natural.
• 37:46
  So what was once supernatural or extra -natural,
• 37:55
  non our five sense reality, once we die out of
• 38:03
  this trapped to the five senses body, then our
• 38:08
  new reality is what is currently the supernatural.
• 38:14
  So I started all this by saying, people tell
• 38:17
  me life's not that complicated. And then I went
• 38:22
  through this complicated response of how simple
• 38:24
  it actually is. There's natural, there's supernatural.
• 38:28
  They both exist. But if we say that everything
• 38:32
  can be understood just by what we experience
• 38:37
  with our five senses, then that's... It's in
• 38:41
  some ways anti -biblical. It's ignoring what's
• 38:44
  actually happening, which can't be observed,
• 38:48
  but only we see the effects of with our natural
• 38:52
  senses. So in that way, myth is the opportunity
• 38:57
  for us to hold the natural and the supernatural
• 38:59
  together in history. So it explains what has
• 39:05
  happened before now. in a way that holds both
• 39:09
  the natural in one hand and the supernatural
• 39:11
  in the other. So a naturalist would look at myth
• 39:15
  and say it's the same category as a fairy tale.
• 39:19
  And maybe they say, well no, it's technically
• 39:21
  not, but it still didn't really happen. There's
• 39:25
  still element of made up to it. Right, and the
• 39:27
  only reason they would say that, and the only
• 39:29
  reason people would say that, is because there
• 39:34
  are supernatural or non... quantifiable events.
• 39:39
  However, in those mythical stories, there are
• 39:44
  natural events that occurred. And those natural
• 39:48
  events that occurred, a lot of them, we still
• 39:52
  see the effects of. Or potentially we look back
• 39:55
  and go... You look at the fall of Rome or you
• 39:59
  look at the fall of civilizations and you go,
• 40:04
  I literally like, you could go there and put
• 40:06
  your hand on it and go, this used to be a civilization.
• 40:11
  But the myth of what it used to be, if it includes
• 40:16
  fantastical things, then we just go, oh, we just
• 40:20
  don't really know what happened. Well, they're
• 40:23
  telling us what happened. So why is it not true
• 40:28
  if it includes fantastical things? Yeah That's
• 40:34
  that's a fascinating idea and it's funny I want
• 40:36
  to touch on this really quick to you which I
• 40:37
  think is fun is Like the simple versus complicated.
• 40:41
  Yeah, because you're right. It's like oh, it's
• 40:43
  a complex answer To explain why it's all so simple
• 40:47
  But I think it's fine. It's like the only reason
• 40:49
  it's complex is because we've removed a part
• 40:52
  of reality You know what I mean? So it's like
• 40:55
  for us, simple to the naturalist, let me say
• 40:58
  it that way. Simple means only focus on the part
• 41:03
  that I'm comfortable with. Sure. It's like, but
• 41:04
  that's not simple. That's just half the story.
• 41:07
  Yeah. So it's like what you're saying isn't actually
• 41:09
  simple. It's just not the full story. Yeah. Because
• 41:12
  I think with the way we approach it with this
• 41:16
  spiritual, natural view, like both things in
• 41:19
  connection with one another, it actually is simple.
• 41:22
  Right. But we've made it complicated. Yeah, because
• 41:25
  we've removed it Yeah, you're you're not allowing
• 41:30
  terms to be defined. Yeah, if we define terms
• 41:34
  Then it's pretty simple. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward.
• 41:38
  Yeah Yeah, I mean it and that's the thing is
• 41:41
  like even if you look at like Jesus being tempted
• 41:43
  in the wilderness. Hmm It's like all right. Well
• 41:47
  the naturalist view would not allow for Jesus
• 41:52
  to be interacting with a spiritual entity. Right.
• 41:56
  Or a non -fleshly being. Yeah. And so the story
• 42:02
  from a naturalist perspective is he's hallucinating.
• 42:06
  Hallucinating in the desert because he's fasting
• 42:10
  and in the heat, extreme heat in the day, extreme
• 42:14
  cold in the night. And you go, well, yeah, wait,
• 42:19
  you would hallucinate. Yeah. Yeah, you probably
• 42:23
  would you would yeah, but why does Hallucinating
• 42:27
  like why why does it why is it a physical effect
• 42:30
  to your body? Why is that not potentially a gateway
• 42:34
  to spiritual things? Yeah, I mean think about
• 42:38
  think about even things like we we've mentioned
• 42:40
  a lot like like Hiawaska Yeah, like any of these
• 42:45
  hallucinogenic experiences you're doing something
• 42:49
  to your body that's causing your body to go into
• 42:52
  a state that is allowing an interaction to happen
• 42:57
  in your brain and in your thoughts and your dream
• 43:01
  and vision state that is creating this experience.
• 43:05
  It started by something physically happening.
• 43:09
  And so there's a lot of these things that you
• 43:11
  read through scripture as people, like all of
• 43:14
  the prophets in the Old Testament, almost all
• 43:17
  of them, did something physical to represent
• 43:20
  to the people what God was telling them about
• 43:25
  Jerusalem or Israel or whatever, you know? And
• 43:29
  so those stories feel fantastical because they're
• 43:33
  coming in and they're saying, no, God told me
• 43:36
  this for you. But if we look at it, we go, well,
• 43:39
  that person just laid on their side for how many
• 43:43
  days in a row? Of course they're gonna say something
• 43:45
  like that. but maybe the physical posture and
• 43:51
  what that does to the body puts your mind and
• 43:53
  your body and everything puts it down or puts
• 43:57
  it under in such a way where you can interact
• 44:01
  with the supernatural, with the spiritual. Well,
• 44:04
  I think that's why there's such an emphasis in
• 44:06
  scripture on being sober -minded. Yeah. Because
• 44:09
  what you're saying is we're put in a place where
• 44:12
  our mind isn't sober. Yeah. Where we don't have
• 44:16
  like a more control over our minds. And so when
• 44:19
  that happens, like someone who's taking, especially
• 44:22
  like psychedelic drugs, or someone who's heavily
• 44:26
  influenced by alcohol, or whatever you're maybe
• 44:29
  not eating for an extended period of time, and
• 44:32
  it's like, yeah, it's like you're in a weakened
• 44:33
  state, and your mind isn't right, we'll say it
• 44:37
  that way. And it's like, yeah, I think that there's
• 44:40
  a lot of natural evidence as well, if you look
• 44:43
  at just people's stories. that shows like, oh,
• 44:47
  something happens that's beyond just your mind
• 44:51
  making stuff up. Right. I mean, even the fact
• 44:54
  when we look at shared experiences, I think that's
• 44:56
  one of the biggest evidences for that, anecdotal
• 44:59
  evidences. Sure. But it's like, oh, the fact
• 45:01
  that people can have the same experience in something.
• 45:08
  And they're not talking about it in the moment.
• 45:10
  It's just like this is happening afterwards like
• 45:12
  oh, yeah that exact thing happened to me Yeah,
• 45:14
  especially people that are unrelated sometimes
• 45:16
  right? It's like well. Yeah, because something
• 45:18
  real happened Yeah, but it took you get into
• 45:20
  a place where your mind wasn't right where you
• 45:23
  weren't sober sure to reach that place Yeah,
• 45:26
  so it's like yes something real happened something
• 45:28
  real. That's supernatural. Yeah, because it didn't
• 45:31
  happen in the natural Yeah, and and I'm not sure
• 45:34
  why we nullify that experience to an individual
• 45:37
  Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, so like that's
• 45:40
  the thing is like if you look and the funny thing
• 45:43
  is like It might sound like we're in some ways
• 45:47
  discounting Dreams and visions and all these
• 45:50
  things but in reality, I think that that's that
• 45:53
  becomes a thin place It's like I think so like
• 45:56
  when when the instruction is given to to fast
• 46:00
  and to pray Yeah, it's like what you're doing
• 46:02
  is you're limiting your body. You're limiting
• 46:06
  the five senses from being able to distract you
• 46:09
  from what's actually happening. Yeah. And you
• 46:12
  can interact with God in a way that's uninhibited
• 46:16
  by the natural space. Yeah, especially because
• 46:21
  you're being put in a place where the natural
• 46:23
  isn't being fed. Yeah. So it needs to rely on
• 46:26
  something else. And I'm going in with the intent
• 46:28
  of saying, like, no, Lord, I want to rely on
• 46:29
  you. Well, and that's where the thing even like
• 46:32
  I... like when you bring up sober -minded, I
• 46:34
  think that can, even what you just said, can
• 46:37
  sound contradictory to what we're talking about.
• 46:39
  Because some people would be like, oh, well,
• 46:41
  if you're like, well, that's not a sober state.
• 46:45
  It's like, well, hang on. So be sober -minded,
• 46:47
  but then also fast and pray. It's like, okay,
• 46:52
  these two things are not conflicting. Being sober
• 46:55
  -minded means don't go and take hallucinogenic
• 47:00
  drugs in order to meet with God. It's be sober,
• 47:04
  don't ingest anything in order to meet with God.
• 47:08
  But restrict what you're ingesting so that the
• 47:12
  purity of your body and the purity of your state,
• 47:17
  once restricted, then the inhibitions are gone
• 47:21
  and you can interact in the supernatural space
• 47:26
  in a way you wouldn't be able to if you were
• 47:28
  feeding the desires of the flesh. Because I mean,
• 47:32
  that's, again, that goes back to... So not feeding
• 47:35
  the desires of the flesh is not a bad thing,
• 47:37
  but doing it non -sober -minded is bad. Yeah,
• 47:41
  and I think... And that's a split, it's a fork
• 47:44
  in the road. It is. It's one way or the other.
• 47:46
  But I think even when we look at the sober -mindedness
• 47:49
  view of it as well, it's like, it's also, look
• 47:52
  at Cain and Abel and their sacrifice. Sure. It's
• 47:55
  like, well, why was one accepted and one wasn't?
• 47:57
  Yeah. Well, it's because how did God tell you
• 47:59
  to do it? Yeah. And I think that's one of the
• 48:02
  big things in here, even on top of what you're
• 48:05
  saying, is, well, how did God tell you to meet
• 48:08
  with Him? Did He say, yeah, go take some psychedelics,
• 48:12
  do some shrooms, and then I'll be there? He said,
• 48:15
  no, that's not how you do it. You fast and you
• 48:17
  pray. That's how we meet in that kind of a space.
• 48:21
  And it's like when we do it that way, God honors
• 48:23
  that. But when we do it in our own power and
• 48:26
  we say, no, this is how I want to do it, then
• 48:29
  God won't honor that. Yeah, and I think the mistake
• 48:32
  sometimes is going, well, if you don't do it
• 48:35
  that way, but if you go fork in the road, and
• 48:40
  you don't do it the way that God said to do it,
• 48:42
  and by doing it, I mean fasting and praying,
• 48:46
  limiting the five senses, pushing to a place
• 48:49
  where your flesh is being put down. You're not
• 48:54
  seeking the desires of the flesh, but instead
• 48:56
  you're putting your flesh down, and in that way,
• 48:59
  your body is being limited and you're able to
• 49:03
  interact with God in a pure way. If you fork
• 49:08
  in the road and go another route to do the same
• 49:12
  thing, why do we go, well, anything then over
• 49:16
  here that looks like some type of experience
• 49:20
  is just not real. Why do we go, oh, they like
• 49:26
  saw machine elves. It's like, all right, well,
• 49:29
  what if machine elves actually kind of resemble
• 49:34
  biblical beings? Right. And that's our language
• 49:37
  to describe it. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually one
• 49:40
  guy's language to describe it. True. Yeah. One
• 49:42
  guy came up with that. But that's another episode.
• 49:46
  It's funny because, yeah, you just sparked that
• 49:48
  idea in my head. It's like, when we look at the
• 49:51
  language of the description of spiritual beings
• 49:53
  in scripture, that's... Their language to describe
• 49:57
  what they saw. Yes. So when we experience it,
• 49:59
  why would I use the same language? Yeah, I use
• 50:02
  my language to describe what I see, right? Yeah,
• 50:05
  and so like if you look at that that fork in
• 50:07
  the road and you go alright Well, this is the
• 50:10
  way that I stay super minded and I put my flesh
• 50:12
  down and and then I go and I meet with God This
• 50:16
  is a way that other people have done it and they
• 50:19
  seem to be meeting with something But it must
• 50:22
  just not be real except that like if you read
• 50:25
  the Bible there is a dark and there's a light
• 50:28
  and The dark is the imitation. It is the it is
• 50:32
  the I Don't want to say false. What's what what's
• 50:35
  the word I'm looking for? Well, I think it's
• 50:37
  like the antithesis maybe in some ways. That's
• 50:39
  not that's not the word I like Yeah, I mean imitation
• 50:42
  is probably the but it's not like are us doing
• 50:44
  it in the way we want It's that pride that steps
• 50:46
  in Us being anything that's not God, but it's
• 50:50
  weird that we would that we would go I think
• 50:51
  what I'm getting at is it's weird that we would
• 50:53
  go Alright, let's go this way and what and then
• 50:56
  we meet with God and that's a supernatural experience
• 50:58
  But when we go this way, all we're doing is manipulating
• 51:01
  the natural Yeah, and it stops there. Yeah, and
• 51:05
  then you don't go like hang on When you go this
• 51:09
  way, why is that you're having a supernatural
• 51:10
  experience when you go this way, guess what?
• 51:12
  You're having a supernatural experience. Yeah
• 51:15
  The problem is this way is light and this way
• 51:18
  is dark. And I think sometimes when these stories
• 51:23
  blended with supernatural events, but they look
• 51:27
  dark, we tend to call them myth. Especially from
• 51:31
  a Christian perspective. But then if they go
• 51:34
  light, we call them religion. You know what I
• 51:38
  mean? Or we call them tradition. But when they
• 51:42
  go dark, we call them myths. Or depending on
• 51:45
  where you're coming from. Yeah, I think a lot
• 51:47
  of that's like those notions that have happened
• 51:50
  I mean looking especially through the Enlightenment.
• 51:53
  Yeah, where It's it's a funny it's a funny Contradiction
• 52:00
  in modern church. I think in a lot of ways Yeah
• 52:03
  where exactly what you're saying where God is
• 52:06
  the only supernatural one and then everything
• 52:08
  else is not real Right because every other thing
• 52:11
  is fake Yeah. Not false. They say fake. Yeah.
• 52:15
  Yeah. And it's like, oh, so it can't be real.
• 52:18
  And if it is real, if by some chance I can't
• 52:21
  explain it naturally, then it's just a demon
• 52:24
  write it off. Yeah. And it's like, oh, wait,
• 52:27
  pause. Yeah. Even the fact that that's a last
• 52:31
  resort possibility, it's still a possibility.
• 52:33
  Why can't we dive into that a little bit? Sure.
• 52:37
  And I think some of it, too, is just the idea
• 52:39
  that God is all of these things. It's like, I
• 52:42
  think we have a higher capacity to lean into
• 52:46
  all that God is and all of the light side. And
• 52:49
  then we just go, like the dark side is like this
• 52:51
  big. And then everything else, you know what
• 52:54
  I mean? It's like, well, not exactly. I mean,
• 52:57
  if a third of heaven fell. Right. That's a lot.
• 53:00
  Yeah. It's a very man -centric view. It is. Yeah.
• 53:03
  But it's funny how that splits because like one
• 53:06
  of the things I think about is I think about
• 53:08
  the the myth or the stories of mermaids. Where
• 53:17
  you go, all right, there are these sailors, there's
• 53:19
  all these stories, you have things like the Odyssey
• 53:21
  and the Iliad, you have these sirens. And people
• 53:26
  would just go, oh yeah, well it turns out they
• 53:28
  were manatees. Christopher Columbus, because
• 53:31
  he writes about it in his journals. Yeah, and
• 53:35
  you go, okay, well hang on, what do you mean?
• 53:38
  Well, they were on the ship for a long time and
• 53:42
  they were malnourished or they were hot. They
• 53:46
  were like not sleeping well. They had all kinds
• 53:51
  of diseases. And so when the manatees came up,
• 53:54
  they looked at them and thought that they were
• 53:57
  women with fins as feet. And you're like, yeah,
• 54:02
  I could see that. That's kind of crazy. You know
• 54:04
  what's funny? I recently just went kayaking.
• 54:06
  Yeah. And around this time, this is when the
• 54:09
  waters get a lot colder. So the manatees come
• 54:11
  in. And so there was about 20 of them in this
• 54:15
  area we were in, just swimming around. And you
• 54:17
  get real up close to them. They're breathing
• 54:18
  on you. They're two in a breath just sitting
• 54:20
  here. Yeah. It smells so bad. Two in a breath.
• 54:22
  Yeah. And I'm looking at these things, and it's
• 54:26
  funny because we're making jokes. Like, oh, Christopher
• 54:28
  Columbus thought these were beautiful mermaids
• 54:30
  or whatever. It was like, yeah, I don't think
• 54:32
  that happened. Like, look at that thing. I'd
• 54:36
  have to be I don't think I could get messed up
• 54:38
  enough to think that was a beautiful woman Yeah,
• 54:41
  well, that's the thing. Yeah, and it's like it's
• 54:44
  there's so many I think there's a lot of assumptions
• 54:45
  that get made which is kind of the direction
• 54:47
  we're headed with especially The ancient writers
• 54:50
  of these myths that they were just dumb right
• 54:54
  and they just didn't know anything Yeah, but
• 54:56
  it's like all right. There's still people right?
• 54:59
  Yeah Well, and you look at it and you can go,
• 55:01
  all right, well, there's a natural understanding
• 55:03
  of this is like the sirens that would call to
• 55:09
  the sailors. It's like, yeah, I could see that
• 55:11
  if you've only seen water for weeks. And then
• 55:17
  all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is calling
• 55:20
  to me. Oh, it's land. I'm gonna go this direction.
• 55:25
  And then what you find is actually something
• 55:27
  that would lead to their death. It's like, this
• 55:30
  is not where you need to go. You need to go to
• 55:33
  another place. And then you go, all right, well,
• 55:36
  yeah, that's just them hallucinating. OK, but
• 55:40
  if they are hallucinating, does the hallucination
• 55:44
  actually lead to a reality that's supernatural
• 55:47
  and not natural? That when they're hallucinating,
• 55:51
  there's a veil that's thinner. And they're actually
• 55:54
  seeing into a reality that's not natural, but
• 56:01
  that is super natural. And so they're seeing
• 56:05
  on the other side of the veil. So hallucination
• 56:10
  maybe is not just like your brain playing tricks
• 56:13
  on you, but the veil getting thinner. That's
• 56:17
  an interesting idea. I like that. Especially
• 56:19
  when you look at in the conversation of things
• 56:22
  like myth. Because when you look at that, it's
• 56:25
  like all right. Well, there's these supernatural
• 56:26
  things happening But there's natural circumstances
• 56:29
  leading up to this person being in a state where
• 56:32
  like there it seems like the veil is thin wherever
• 56:35
  they are Yeah, and there's they're like leaning
• 56:37
  into like this thing or that thing because that's
• 56:41
  the other thing is like the thing that the thing
• 56:43
  that we ignore is things like the water yeah,
• 56:46
  like the water is represented in the in the Bible
• 56:50
  as So many so many things Going all the way back
• 56:57
  to the very first thing which is just chaos itself
• 57:00
  That water exclusive to the Bible either, right?
• 57:04
  Yeah, so like it like water is representative
• 57:08
  chaos and there are these Sea monsters. Yeah,
• 57:12
  these water monsters that live in this space.
• 57:17
  Mm -hmm. I mean, it's the whole argument of like
• 57:20
  Why are we so like why am I so afraid to go in
• 57:24
  the water? Yeah Like if I think about going in
• 57:28
  the ocean at night long enough I can terrify
• 57:31
  myself absolutely and there's something about
• 57:34
  that It's funny. It's like even And maybe this
• 57:38
  is just me, but it's like even when I look on
• 57:40
  like YouTube Yeah, and it's like oh, let me look
• 57:42
  at like deep sea diving. Yeah, it's terrifying
• 57:47
  to watch I don't even want to see the things
• 57:48
  that I don't want it to be dark and then all
• 57:54
  of a sudden there's something there. No, thank
• 57:55
  you. This might be silly, but in Finding Nemo,
• 57:59
  that scene where he's just in open ocean, it's
• 58:02
  like there's something haunting about this. There
• 58:04
  is. It's like, well, why is that? Because that
• 58:07
  seems to be almost universal throughout history.
• 58:09
  Why is there this strangeness that we have toward
• 58:12
  this water, open water? Yeah. So if water is
• 58:18
  chaos And we see that as a biblical understanding
• 58:24
  That the water was tamed. Yeah in the creation
• 58:28
  story. Yeah, it was separated it was told where
• 58:31
  to go where to be right and then we see it all
• 58:34
  through the scripture as Water was like the portal
• 58:40
  or the gateway to shale It was like when the
• 58:44
  water stirred, something was happening. And all
• 58:47
  of that stuff with the water. But you're saying
• 58:50
  it's not just in the Bible. Yeah. Where else
• 58:53
  is it, Paul? Oh, I'm so glad you asked. Yeah.
• 58:58
  And this is a really cool setup. I'm glad that
• 59:00
  you went down that path. I really am. And so
• 59:04
  I want to call attention before we dive into
• 59:07
  some of that. Yeah. Kind of tying in for our
• 59:11
  previous episode about language, okay? Because
• 59:13
  that's where we're headed into like this language
• 59:15
  this idea of myth yeah, and it's it's It brings
• 59:19
  up a few questions and one of them is like why
• 59:22
  do these things seem to be kind of universal?
• 59:25
  Huh? It's like why are these why are these thoughts
• 59:27
  shared right? and What's interesting to me is
• 59:33
  that? most linguists Agree that they're every
• 59:39
  language today stems back to one common language.
• 59:43
  Oh, okay. Which they call proto -human. Yeah.
• 59:45
  Or like first human language. Yeah. And so what's
• 59:48
  interesting about that to me is there's that
• 59:52
  preconceived notion that we have held for a while
• 59:55
  that everyone back then was just stupid. And
• 1:00:01
  if you go back further to like first humans,
• 1:00:04
  they were just like making hand gestures and
• 1:00:07
  clicking noises. Yeah. And like that I think
• 1:00:10
  that's where No matter if you're a Christian
• 1:00:12
  or not. It's like we have that idea in the back
• 1:00:15
  of our head sure to some extent It's funny cuz
• 1:00:18
  it's like you'll ask you ask. I would I think
• 1:00:21
  a lot of modern Christians today I'm painting
• 1:00:23
  with a broad stroke Where it's like, okay, so
• 1:00:26
  do you believe in Adam and Eve? Oh, yeah, I do
• 1:00:28
  I think those are the first humans like okay
• 1:00:30
  So what about people back then? Well, they didn't
• 1:00:32
  know what they were talking about because they
• 1:00:33
  weren't as smart as we are Yeah, it's like Those
• 1:00:36
  are two very different ideas that you just said
• 1:00:38
  that are contradictory. Yeah. And it's a huge
• 1:00:41
  assumption, especially when we look at these
• 1:00:44
  ancient civilizations dating back thousands and
• 1:00:47
  thousands of years. Right. It's like, yeah, these
• 1:00:50
  weren't dumb people. Right. Like there's no way
• 1:00:53
  you can build these things and you just make
• 1:00:55
  hand gestures and clicking noises. Yeah. And
• 1:00:59
  so for me, the other thing that's interesting
• 1:01:01
  about language. Or the hand gestures and clicking.
• 1:01:05
  clicking noises weren't extremely sophisticated.
• 1:01:08
  Right, that's also true. Yeah. Yeah, the fact
• 1:01:10
  that we think that's so primitive, you can't
• 1:01:12
  do anything with it. Yeah. Do you think, like,
• 1:01:16
  brief aside, do you think that it's just because
• 1:01:19
  in our small scope, what we experience all the
• 1:01:24
  time is a kid is dumb? I think so. And as they
• 1:01:28
  grow, they get smarter. Yeah. As they learn something
• 1:01:33
  yeah, do you think we just put that? Project
• 1:01:36
  it on history absolutely and just go well when
• 1:01:39
  the earth was young Yeah, you know and also it
• 1:01:42
  makes sense because if in a naturalist if we
• 1:01:45
  remove the spiritual the supernatural Yeah, then
• 1:01:48
  it makes sense Yeah, that's true. We're just
• 1:01:51
  out here fending for ourselves. It's like well.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, no one knows how to do anything We just
• 1:01:55
  got here. We're trying to figure it out. Yeah
• 1:01:57
  true and so we remove the idea that there could
• 1:02:00
  have been a supernatural element that taught
• 1:02:03
  us stuff. It's almost like a supernatural view
• 1:02:06
  of history. Yeah. Allows for God to have placed
• 1:02:10
  people here with intelligence. Absolutely. Potentially
• 1:02:13
  more intelligent than us currently, arguably,
• 1:02:20
  and more well fit for the creation than us. And
• 1:02:28
  then it allows for that to actually devolve.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, and then try to get better versus a naturalist
• 1:02:38
  view would say That there was a starting point
• 1:02:41
  and then everything grows like a child. Yeah
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, and it's it's interesting because um, I
• 1:02:48
  think if if we want to hold to scripture as Christians
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, I think we have to to some extent leave
• 1:02:55
  open the possibility that there's a supernatural
• 1:02:57
  teaching that happened. Sure. Even to the point
• 1:03:01
  where let's look at Adam and Eve in the garden.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah. Well, it says that God walked with them.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah. What do you think they were talking about?
• 1:03:09
  You know, Adam and God named the animals together.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah. And it's like, well, that's teaching. Right.
• 1:03:14
  There's instruction happening. Yeah. It's like
• 1:03:16
  there's a level of creation of them creating
• 1:03:19
  together. Right. Which you've brought up before.
• 1:03:22
  I think even if we just look at that picture,
• 1:03:24
  it's like, yeah, there's a passing of information
• 1:03:27
  that's happening. It's like, he's learning the
• 1:03:30
  earth. And it's like, our job was to take care
• 1:03:33
  of it. How are we supposed to take care of it
• 1:03:35
  if we're the dumbest thing made on it? So it's
• 1:03:38
  like, I think that even just taking the Christianity
• 1:03:42
  alone and not even jumping into anything that's
• 1:03:44
  even more assumptive, it's like, well, let's
• 1:03:46
  just look at this. It's like, yeah, God walked
• 1:03:50
  with Adam. You don't think that he taught he
• 1:03:52
  taught him anything, right? And then we look
• 1:03:54
  at that. We've talked about the serpent. Yeah,
• 1:03:56
  and it's like There's a ton of room and we see
• 1:03:59
  that even in Ezekiel that it's like there were
• 1:04:02
  beings in the garden as well Right, you don't
• 1:04:05
  think they learned anything from each other,
• 1:04:07
  right? They just didn't talk to each other Yeah,
• 1:04:09
  there's like you just be over there and I'm just
• 1:04:11
  gonna figure out how fire works. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:04:14
  exactly I think that's so silly right and there's
• 1:04:16
  no evidence really that we I don't think that
• 1:04:18
  we really see a lot of evidence for that even
• 1:04:21
  happening. Now, that being said, there are tribes
• 1:04:26
  that we see that there's information they don't
• 1:04:29
  have, but that's because there was a separation
• 1:04:32
  that happened where they were pulled off from
• 1:04:33
  the main group and they had to figure it out
• 1:04:35
  again. Or like a restarting of civilization.
• 1:04:38
  We see that even in the early colonization in
• 1:04:40
  the US. It's like, well, where are the poets
• 1:04:43
  in early American history? Well, they don't exist
• 1:04:47
  because they're trying to... They're trying to
• 1:04:48
  farm the land. Right. Yeah. They're trying to
• 1:04:51
  make they're trying to take dominion over their
• 1:04:53
  place. Yeah. Yeah. And so going back to the language
• 1:04:56
  side of it, what's interesting to me is that
• 1:04:59
  and this is a main thing with history is like
• 1:05:03
  we only know what's been written. Yeah. Like
• 1:05:06
  when we look at archaeology, it only confirms
• 1:05:08
  what's been written. Right. I heard this. I don't
• 1:05:11
  know if I brought this up on this podcast before,
• 1:05:13
  but even when we look at Egyptian history. We've
• 1:05:16
  only discovered 1 % of it. That's crazy. Okay,
• 1:05:20
  where do we get that from? Well, it's because
• 1:05:22
  we see other stuff that's written about it in
• 1:05:25
  this long line of pharaohs, but we've only ever
• 1:05:28
  uncovered 1 % of what we've been told is out
• 1:05:31
  there. That's crazy. It's pretty wild, right?
• 1:05:33
  So we have discovery of texts written about things,
• 1:05:37
  and we've only put our hands on 1%. That's so
• 1:05:41
  crazy. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So what's crazy
• 1:05:43
  about that with language is because we only know
• 1:05:46
  languages exist if they've been written. That's
• 1:05:48
  true. Or if there's, I mean there's like the
• 1:05:52
  detective work but it's also based on what's
• 1:05:54
  written. Yeah. So if we see like this language
• 1:05:56
  and then a completely different language from
• 1:05:58
  the same group of people. Yeah. Well there's
• 1:06:00
  probably a bridge in between that we just don't
• 1:06:02
  have so we know there's lost language in there
• 1:06:05
  somewhere. Sure. But we only know the language
• 1:06:07
  that was written down first. Yeah. And so there's
• 1:06:10
  so much assumption into, well, what was the first
• 1:06:13
  language? But what's interesting is, even with
• 1:06:16
  that, we can still see a tie together of a pattern
• 1:06:19
  that says, they all stemmed from one thing. OK.
• 1:06:23
  So it's an interesting idea. And I think, for
• 1:06:27
  me, it brings us into this idea of, OK, so if
• 1:06:30
  we have the same language, it means we came from
• 1:06:32
  a similar origin. Right. And so it would make
• 1:06:35
  sense that we have Similar myths or similar histories
• 1:06:39
  right and we actually see that everywhere. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  and so Yeah, that's true. Yeah, cuz I mean and
• 1:06:47
  you were talking about like creation yeah, you
• 1:06:50
  were talking about that concept and and in the
• 1:06:54
  in the creation story when when Adam is naming
• 1:06:59
  the animals it's really cool because We see,
• 1:07:03
  like I used to think about that, like why does
• 1:07:04
  it say, and then Adam names the animals. I used
• 1:07:07
  to think like, that doesn't make any, like, it's
• 1:07:10
  not that it doesn't make, it just feels, it felt
• 1:07:11
  like an aside. But the thing is, is if you're
• 1:07:15
  paying attention, what just happened is God,
• 1:07:19
  how does God create? God creates by naming things
• 1:07:24
  into existence. He speaks it. And then even in
• 1:07:29
  John, the Gospel of John, the Word was in the
• 1:07:34
  beginning. And the Word, Jesus as the Word in
• 1:07:41
  the beginning, it's like there's something around
• 1:07:45
  language, there's something around speaking into
• 1:07:48
  existence that's critical to... who God is, who
• 1:07:53
  Jesus is in the creation process. And then also
• 1:08:00
  potentially the interaction between God and Adam.
• 1:08:04
  Where if Jesus is the word, that was also in
• 1:08:08
  the beginning, then when Adam is creating by
• 1:08:11
  naming things, Jesus is present in the word.
• 1:08:15
  And there's this idea that what, what Adam is
• 1:08:20
  doing with God is not just saying this is a cow.
• 1:08:24
  Instead, he is creating with God. It's showing
• 1:08:30
  us that God created man and then said, hey man,
• 1:08:38
  here's how you create. And let's create together.
• 1:08:43
  And the way he created together was by calling
• 1:08:45
  out the animals. That's cool. And naming the
• 1:08:49
  animals. And I think what's cool about that is
• 1:08:52
  we still see evidence of that today. Yeah. And
• 1:08:55
  it's that I don't have this pleasure yet, but
• 1:08:57
  you do, being a father. Yes. And it's like, well,
• 1:08:59
  what happened there? Yeah. And it's like, well,
• 1:09:03
  you and your wife created something, and God
• 1:09:04
  was a part of that. Yeah. By shaping that. Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  And then what happened after your child was born?
• 1:09:10
  You named him. Right. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,
• 1:09:15
  that's the picture. Yeah, it's man and God creating
• 1:09:18
  together creating order as we represent him Yeah,
• 1:09:21
  so if we see language in a bunch of other places
• 1:09:23
  or what you're saying is that if a myth is true
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, the myth would show up in other myths.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, so in other words if if an event happens
• 1:09:38
  the way that that event is said to be fact is
• 1:09:44
  if it is witnessed by more than one person. Right?
• 1:09:48
  So if a myth is true or has truth in it, then
• 1:09:52
  the truth that's in the myth will show up in
• 1:09:56
  other myths that become witness to the truth
• 1:10:00
  that's in the myth itself. Yeah. I love that
• 1:10:05
  there's so much to setting this up to get into
• 1:10:07
  here, but I think it's so important. Even when
• 1:10:10
  we look at history, it's like, Okay, so how do
• 1:10:12
  we know history is true? I think there's an assumption
• 1:10:15
  that when we see something written, it's like,
• 1:10:17
  well, that's true. Yeah. But we know from anyone
• 1:10:20
  having spent five minutes on the internet, there's
• 1:10:21
  a lot of untruth. There's a lot of lies out there.
• 1:10:25
  It's like this isn't real. Yeah. And so there's
• 1:10:30
  the classic saying, which I think is so true,
• 1:10:32
  it's history is written by the victors. Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  I don't know who Victor is. But there must be
• 1:10:39
  a lot of them. There's a lot of them and they've
• 1:10:41
  been writing. So many Victors. And we see that,
• 1:10:45
  I think, going back to Egypt, they're a great
• 1:10:47
  example of that because their history is heavily
• 1:10:50
  edited to make them look as good as humanly possible.
• 1:10:54
  But then we see through history written from
• 1:10:56
  other cultures. that have a contrary story to
• 1:11:00
  what Egypt writes. And so it's like, well, how
• 1:11:02
  do we know what's true? Well, because there's
• 1:11:04
  other cultures that corroborate the other story.
• 1:11:07
  That's true. And so it's like, oh, that's how
• 1:11:10
  we can determine this. But even then, we still
• 1:11:12
  don't 100 % know that's what happened. Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  But the fact that we see multiple people telling
• 1:11:17
  the same story, or at least a very similar story,
• 1:11:20
  it gives credence to like, this is most likely
• 1:11:22
  what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I
• 1:11:26
  mean, and I think one of the things too is like,
• 1:11:29
  we could, this is like, I feel like a unique
• 1:11:32
  identifier to this podcast, is that I feel like
• 1:11:36
  sometimes, and maybe this is, maybe this is unique
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  to us, but at least there's two of us. So like,
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  what was true for me has also been true for you.
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  But I feel like sometimes people just need a
• 1:11:53
  framework. Yeah. just need to be able to go like,
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  okay, let me just not write stuff off anymore
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  and go, okay, if a myth, if myth is the tying
• 1:12:06
  together of the natural and the supernatural,
• 1:12:08
  that there's typically a supernatural event integrated
• 1:12:12
  into that, that's different than fact. Fact is
• 1:12:15
  something that is provable and has many witnesses.
• 1:12:19
  Well, the truth is, is the Genesis account, does
• 1:12:25
  not fit in that category. So that's one of the
• 1:12:29
  difficult things for Christians, I feel like.
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  And that's why this conversation, I feel like,
• 1:12:34
  is so important. Because just creating the framework
• 1:12:39
  and giving framework for going, hey, technically,
• 1:12:43
  categorically, the Genesis account is myth. Categorically.
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  That doesn't mean it's not true. It's in the
• 1:12:52
  category of myth. I don't know anyone that was
• 1:12:55
  there. You don't know anybody that was there.
• 1:12:59
  We don't necessarily have any evidence of it
• 1:13:02
  other than what we can see around us. But the
• 1:13:06
  naturalist would say, well, that could be explained
• 1:13:10
  in so many different ways because no one was
• 1:13:12
  actually there in that event. And when that happens,
• 1:13:16
  you go, OK, well, right now, This is supernatural
• 1:13:20
  the way the world was created is supernatural
• 1:13:24
  Because there's not a naturalist explanation
• 1:13:26
  for it. Yeah outside of What the naturalist explanations
• 1:13:30
  for are but what's interesting even with that?
• 1:13:34
  they still, in a way, write their own myth that
• 1:13:37
  corroborates the story. And one of my favorites
• 1:13:39
  is Albert Einstein, as he was theorizing, because
• 1:13:43
  he was more of the believer leaning toward the
• 1:13:45
  idea that the universe was always in existence.
• 1:13:49
  It never had a beginning. And as he continued
• 1:13:52
  to theorize, And he realized, oh, no, it actually
• 1:13:55
  points to there was an origin to the universe.
• 1:13:57
  Like, it has a starting point. And he was really
• 1:14:00
  upset by that. But then he had a friend who was
• 1:14:02
  a priest who said, actually, that's awesome.
• 1:14:05
  And it kind of helped him in that thinking. But
• 1:14:07
  we look at it like, OK, even in a naturalist
• 1:14:10
  viewpoint, we see that there is something to
• 1:14:14
  point to that. Like, these myths have some merit.
• 1:14:18
  And it's even the idea that there was a starting
• 1:14:20
  point. So yeah, long way to get here. Well, I
• 1:14:24
  guess my question would be like I feel like that's
• 1:14:26
  something that's unique to this podcast again
• 1:14:28
  Like I just said, yeah, is that like we're setting
• 1:14:31
  up framework. Yeah, so Maybe we're in another
• 1:14:34
  spot right now Or we need to go one more episode
• 1:14:41
  And we just need to go all right, let's jump
• 1:14:47
  straight into what are the what are the corroborated
• 1:14:52
  myths and what's the truth that Finds its through
• 1:14:56
  line through it because There are a bunch of
• 1:15:02
  key elements through the Genesis account Yeah,
• 1:15:04
  and through scripture where you go. All right
• 1:15:07
  This is something that doesn't have a naturalist
• 1:15:09
  explanation for or the naturalist explanation
• 1:15:11
  Even though it takes faith to believe in it,
• 1:15:17
  which is the irony in it of the naturalist view
• 1:15:22
  in these myths, there are a bunch of different
• 1:15:25
  cultures that have the truth in it. And we just
• 1:15:28
  need to go through and hit all of those topics.
• 1:15:31
  And I don't think we have time for it on this
• 1:15:33
  podcast. That's what I'm afraid of, Dexter, like
• 1:15:35
  we spent so much time, which I think it's honestly
• 1:15:38
  worth it. But I think that's the thing about
• 1:15:44
  it, and I was just talking about this with someone
• 1:15:47
  recently, and I know we've touched on it. I don't
• 1:15:52
  know if it was on pod or off pod, but it's the
• 1:15:54
  idea of this weird separation that has happened
• 1:15:58
  over the years of faith is on this side and science
• 1:16:02
  is on this side. Religion's here and science
• 1:16:04
  is here. And they can't mix. And then there are
• 1:16:08
  even Christians that go as far to argue that
• 1:16:11
  it's good because science would only ruin your
• 1:16:15
  faith. And it's like, oh no, that's not, and
• 1:16:17
  they're like, yeah, you'll never find evidence
• 1:16:19
  of creation. or like a creation story or anything
• 1:16:22
  like that, because you need to have faith to
• 1:16:24
  believe it. And I don't like that at all. And
• 1:16:26
  the reason for that is because these things aren't
• 1:16:30
  exclusive from one another. It's like, no, they
• 1:16:32
  actually, they work in tandem. And I think what
• 1:16:35
  we've been saying, what we've been setting up,
• 1:16:37
  the simple side of it is that's what myth is
• 1:16:39
  doing. You use the word, it's like the hand holding
• 1:16:41
  between the two. And it's like, well, yeah, of
• 1:16:44
  course, if there's supernatural influence, on
• 1:16:48
  top of a physical thing that happened. Yeah.
• 1:16:50
  Well, you would see evidence of the one that
• 1:16:53
  we can see. Right. Like the one that we can experience
• 1:16:56
  with our five senses, we'd be able to find some
• 1:16:58
  way to experience it with our five senses. Sure.
• 1:17:01
  But that doesn't eliminate the fact that there
• 1:17:04
  is a supernatural influence into it. Yeah. And
• 1:17:07
  so it's both those things working together. And
• 1:17:09
  I think that's the beauty that myth captures
• 1:17:11
  is let me try to explain both of those with one
• 1:17:14
  story. Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's necessary
• 1:17:18
  like as Christians reading the Bible, I think
• 1:17:20
  it's necessary for us to understand these categories
• 1:17:22
  Yeah, I think it's necessary for us to dig in
• 1:17:26
  and go. Okay. What exactly am I reading? When
• 1:17:30
  and where did it happen? Who did it happen to?
• 1:17:33
  It's the hermeneutic of it. Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:17:36
  digging in and going okay starting place. Where
• 1:17:38
  are they? Who are they? What's going on here?
• 1:17:42
  Right? Yeah. And there's a lot of things in the
• 1:17:44
  Bible where you don't have all of those answers.
• 1:17:48
  And sometimes the answer is supernatural. Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  And the Bible will answer itself. Absolutely.
• 1:17:55
  Which is cool. And I think we've done a good
• 1:17:57
  job of showing that. Yeah. In our, I mean throughout
• 1:18:00
  these episodes. Yeah. These things are like the
• 1:18:03
  Bible. supports itself in that it's consistent
• 1:18:07
  throughout in what it talks about. And I think
• 1:18:09
  one of the things that's cool about the current
• 1:18:11
  conversation that we're having over multiple
• 1:18:14
  episodes is that one of the things that we've
• 1:18:17
  seen and one of the things we've talked about
• 1:18:19
  and will talk about are the evidences that are
• 1:18:23
  natural of the things that did happen in the
• 1:18:26
  scripture. What we're talking about right now
• 1:18:29
  are the evidence of things that did happen in
• 1:18:32
  Scripture, but are supernatural. And those things
• 1:18:36
  necessarily have to be corroborated by not other
• 1:18:40
  cultures' facts, but other cultures' myths in
• 1:18:44
  order to see the consistency of truth written
• 1:18:48
  throughout history in other cultures that speak
• 1:18:53
  back to this is what's happening in the world.
• 1:18:57
  this is what the one true God says is the actual
• 1:19:02
  reality yeah because the truth is is if what's
• 1:19:07
  happening in the Bible is the actual reality
• 1:19:10
  then it's happening to all people on earth yeah
• 1:19:13
  and when it's happening to all people on earth
• 1:19:15
  those who do not believe in the one true God
• 1:19:18
  who have other gods that they are interacting
• 1:19:21
  with not that they made up but that they are
• 1:19:25
  interacting with, they have their own myths,
• 1:19:28
  and those gods are telling them about how those
• 1:19:31
  things happened. And I think we have to, like,
• 1:19:34
  this is the context that I think that we're really
• 1:19:37
  digging into, which is... I think it's important.
• 1:19:40
  It is. Because at the end of the day, there's
• 1:19:44
  plenty of people... and there's plenty of things
• 1:19:46
  that we can look at and we can go, all right,
• 1:19:49
  here's all of the things that actually did happen.
• 1:19:51
  Here's this person that lived in this time and
• 1:19:54
  here's a couple of... of people that wrote about
• 1:19:58
  them, historians that wrote about them. They're
• 1:20:00
  also in the Bible, right? There's this whole
• 1:20:03
  new thing about Shroud of Turin and like how
• 1:20:06
  that's so cool. And then you have Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:20:09
  There's all these things like that. However,
• 1:20:11
  when you jump back and you go, all right, there
• 1:20:14
  is the one true God. And then something happened
• 1:20:19
  early in Genesis where there are these other
• 1:20:23
  spiritual beings. that are in and out working
• 1:20:28
  through, and they show up all over the earth.
• 1:20:32
  And the reason that we know that they show up
• 1:20:34
  all over the earth, well, the Bible tells us
• 1:20:36
  about it, things like Deuteronomy 32, where they're
• 1:20:41
  sent out across the earth in the different territories.
• 1:20:44
  But not just that, but we look at the other myths
• 1:20:48
  of the people around the world, which we will
• 1:20:51
  look at. And when we will look at them, we'll
• 1:20:55
  start to see the truths that all happen arguably
• 1:20:59
  around the same time to the same people that
• 1:21:02
  are all on the earth, who their gods, lowercase
• 1:21:06
  g, gods, real gods, but false, are telling them
• 1:21:14
  a different truth about the thing that they're
• 1:21:18
  physically experiencing. So all these other myths
• 1:21:21
  that we're gonna get into. Well, because it is
• 1:21:23
  telling that The fact that all of these cultures
• 1:21:28
  have a supernatural myth, a story. Yeah. A telling
• 1:21:33
  of history that blends supernatural with physical.
• 1:21:37
  Yeah. The fact that that's like a universal thing.
• 1:21:40
  Right. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. It
• 1:21:43
  is. Yeah, because what's happening is like, what's
• 1:21:47
  happening is there's a global event. Yeah. or
• 1:21:53
  let's say there's a regional event but the regional
• 1:21:56
  event is happening amongst everybody yeah a bunch
• 1:22:00
  of different cultures now all of them believe
• 1:22:02
  in Yahweh and so the ones that are interacting
• 1:22:07
  with their God who is lower than Yahweh but is
• 1:22:12
  still a real God yeah is telling them a different
• 1:22:17
  story about what's physically happening. So a
• 1:22:20
  different supernatural understanding of what's
• 1:22:23
  naturally happening. And the truth is in these
• 1:22:27
  myths, we have to tie together all the natural
• 1:22:30
  things that are happening with the supernatural
• 1:22:34
  explanation being different. And actually that's
• 1:22:38
  the one thing I will add to what you just said
• 1:22:40
  as well. And it's that idea of, because I think
• 1:22:43
  it's important when we look at these people is
• 1:22:46
  it's not like, I think it's that word belief
• 1:22:48
  right there. It's like they don't believe in
• 1:22:50
  Yahweh. It's like, well, it's not that they don't
• 1:22:52
  believe in Yahweh, they don't worship Yahweh.
• 1:22:54
  And I think that's a really important thing with
• 1:22:56
  what we're talking about here to kind of put
• 1:22:58
  our mind in a better place, especially with how
• 1:23:00
  scripture refers to it. It's like, well, who
• 1:23:02
  do you worship? That's who you're getting your
• 1:23:05
  information from. Who do you love? I love how
• 1:23:11
  you always find a way. I think that's like a
• 1:23:14
  commercial or something. I think probably. You'll
• 1:23:16
  find a song. Yeah. But I think that's really
• 1:23:21
  important with this, where it's like, OK, so
• 1:23:23
  here's this thing that seemingly happened to
• 1:23:26
  everybody. Right. And it's across the globe.
• 1:23:29
  Yeah. Where we see these people that spread out
• 1:23:31
  very far from Native America. to Native American
• 1:23:35
  tribes, to India, to, you know, Northern Europe
• 1:23:38
  and down in Africa. It's like these people all
• 1:23:41
  have shared myths. Down in Africa. And it's like,
• 1:23:48
  yeah, well, who do they worship? Yeah. And that
• 1:23:50
  influences their myth, which is a telling of
• 1:23:55
  real history. Yeah. Through supernatural means.
• 1:23:59
  Yes. Yeah, supernatural explanation of natural
• 1:24:02
  events. Yeah, that's basically what myths are.
• 1:24:06
  That's it. Yeah Well Paul, I like your hat. I
• 1:24:10
  like yours too. Dad hat. Dad hat Alright, so
• 1:24:14
  next episode we're gonna jump right into these
• 1:24:17
  myths. We shouldn't make promises. We don't know
• 1:24:19
  if we can keep. No, we're gonna do it We had
• 1:24:22
  to set up. I'm so excited. I was so excited today,
• 1:24:26
  but then I was like no it's actually good that
• 1:24:28
  we waited because Think it's gonna it's gonna
• 1:24:30
  be that much sweeter. It'll make that much more
• 1:24:32
  sense. Yeah. Yeah, cuz again to say it for a
• 1:24:36
  third time This podcast I feel like one of the
• 1:24:40
  things that's important to us is really setting
• 1:24:42
  up framework. Yeah Because that's the discussion
• 1:24:46
  that's worth having the discussion that's worth
• 1:24:48
  having is let's define terms Let's understand
• 1:24:52
  what's going on And and the truth is is like
• 1:24:55
  once you do that once yeah It's simple. But you
• 1:25:00
  have to do it once. You have to recognize the
• 1:25:02
  reality of it. Yeah, and the problem with people
• 1:25:04
  saying, well, it should be simpler than that,
• 1:25:07
  is basically saying like, all right, well, this
• 1:25:10
  table should just exist. No, you have to go cut
• 1:25:14
  down the tree. You have to mill it. You have
• 1:25:17
  to let it dry. You have to then put it together
• 1:25:20
  exactly in the dimensions that you want. You
• 1:25:22
  have to sand it. You have to... There's so many...
• 1:25:25
  It's not... all of the pieces are simple. You
• 1:25:30
  do this, you do this, you do this. The problem
• 1:25:33
  is modern Christians want to just have the table
• 1:25:37
  and they need the framework to know how we got
• 1:25:42
  to the table. And the problem with modern Christians
• 1:25:46
  and modern discipleship is that We're just trying
• 1:25:51
  to, in churches, in Sunday schools, in whatever
• 1:25:55
  we're doing, we're just trying to go, here's
• 1:25:58
  the table. Let me explain it to you in a way
• 1:26:00
  that like, I'll just, here, you're sitting at
• 1:26:03
  the table. But what discipleship should be is,
• 1:26:07
  come with me out to the woods. Let's find a tree.
• 1:26:12
  Let me show you how to cut it down. Then we're
• 1:26:14
  gonna do the next step. Mmm, and then that's
• 1:26:17
  what discipleship should look like. Yeah, we're
• 1:26:19
  gonna do this. We're gonna do every step together
• 1:26:21
  Yeah, so I feel like I'm martyrs row. We're doing
• 1:26:25
  every step together. That's what we love Yeah,
• 1:26:28
  and that's part of that's that's who we are.
• 1:26:29
  That's what we like. Yeah, it's true So next
• 1:26:34
  time we're gonna jump right into the myth we're
• 1:26:36
  going myth corner myth corner See you then three
• 1:26:40
  two one