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BONUS EPISODE: Gaining Career Clarity: How to Define What You Really Want Next · Work It Like A Mum

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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Elizabeth Willits and I'm obsessed with helping as many women as possible achieve their boldest dreams after kids and helping you to navigate this messy and magical season of life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a working mum with over 17 years of recruitment experience and I'm the founder of the Investing in Women job board and community.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the first installment of our Momentum Career Masterclass series Today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm delighted because I'm chatting with career transition expert Kim Holland, and we're going to be offering you advice today on how to gain career clarity and to define what you really want next.
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  Speaker 1: So summer might be slower, but your career doesn't have to be, and the Momentum Masterclass Career Series is a six-week online program brought to you by us investing women.
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  Speaker 1: It's designed to help you maintain momentum in your career development and job search through the summer months.
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  Speaker 1: Each week, we're joined by one of the UK's leading career coaches to guide you through practical, empowering strategies that will help you move forward with clarity and confidence, whether you are actively job hunting or planning your next step.
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  Speaker 1: So, like I said, today is our first session of our momentum masterclass series.
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  Speaker 1: It's a six-week program designed to help you keep career growth and job hunting momentum going throughout the slow pace on the months and with kim ho today, she is the founder of Parent Career Pivot Program.
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  Speaker 1: About today's session if you're feeling stuck, directionless or unsure what you want from your career right now, you're not alone.
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  Speaker 1: In this clarity boosting session, kim will guide you through powerful exercises to help you reconnect with what matters most in your work and life, identify what energizes you and what doesn't, pinpoint your core strengths and career non-negotiables, and set the foundation for job or business that fits who you are now.
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  Speaker 1: So, whether you're job hunting, planning a pivot or simply craving more fulfillment?
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  Speaker 1: This session will give you the focus and confidence to move forward with intention, please.
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  Speaker 1: We love to keep these sessions interactive, so if you've got any comments, any questions, please do pop them in the comments and we will do our best to answer them at the end of the session and do obviously let us know if you can hear us all right Any feedback as we're going.
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  Speaker 1: Please pop it in.
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  Speaker 1: It's always really nice when we have a lively chat.
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  Speaker 1: Kim has some slides that we're going to be sharing with you.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a few technical issues, so I'm showing the slides.
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  Speaker 1: So if there's a bit of a delay between what Kim is saying and me showing the slides, then we apologize for that, but hopefully you can appreciate what tech is sometimes like um, so let us change it.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, kim, welcome to show.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us Over to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Liz.
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  Speaker 2: Hi everyone, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, as Liz said, today we are going to look at gaining clarity on where you're at in your career now and where you want to get to.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're sat there thinking, is this it, what's next for me and how on earth do I get there, Then you are in the right place.
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  Speaker 2: So today we are going to cover what's pushing you to want to make a change in your career and also, importantly, what is stopping you, even though you know you want to change something.
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  Speaker 2: I will also talk you through the number one mistake I see people making when they are feeling a bit stuck or unhappy in their career and they want to change something, and what you can do instead.
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  Speaker 2: I'll also talk through your professional DNA and how you understand what that is and the importance of being really clear on that.
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  Speaker 2: I will then talk you through a DIY career roundabout exercise that helps you really focus on how you build on everything you've done so far in your career to date to then shape your onward path.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: And then, finally, I will share my career clarity speed strategy, which will demonstrate how you can look at where you are now, start to shape, where you want to get to and the questions that you should be answering to bridge the gap between the two.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get going.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with what's pushing you.
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  Speaker 2: So there's obviously a number of reasons why someone might want to make a change in their career.
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  Speaker 2: There could be personal reasons, so things like becoming a parent, the identity shifts that come with that, the changes in priorities.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe financial circumstances have changed a bit, either for the better or worse, and that might get you rethinking where you're going in your career.
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  Speaker 2: Things like illness, either yourself or family members.
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  Speaker 2: And then there are professional reasons.
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  Speaker 2: So unfortunately, at the moment we see quite a lot of redundancy.
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  Speaker 2: That obviously might get you questioning whether you're on the right path at all and maybe wanting to change direction a little bit if you've missed a promotion opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: You thought that's where your career was heading and suddenly things have changed and there's lots of personnel reasons why you might want to change career.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a change in personnel within your work, or just something's not quite right.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever that is for you it might be something that's not listed there at all, but whatever it is for you, get really clear on what is pushing you to make this change and then, when you've got that, think about what's stopping you.
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  Speaker 2: So that might seem like a strange thing, but quite often people want to make a change but they don't.
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  Speaker 2: And the number one thing that I see that holds people back is fear, and that's totally natural.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fear of the unknown, the fear of failure, the fear of starting again.
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  Speaker 2: And the reality is our brains are programmed to keep us safe, not to make us happy.
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  Speaker 2: So we, as the very first hurdle, have to overcome that part of our brain that is telling us familiarity is safe.
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  Speaker 2: Just stay with what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's the safest option here.
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  Speaker 2: Change is unknown.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know the outcome, so just stay.
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  Speaker 2: Stay where you are.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing to overcome where you are.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: The second thing I see that stops many people is not knowing how to make a change, even when they know they want to.
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  Speaker 2: And look, everybody's career path will look very different.
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  Speaker 2: Career changes will look different, but there are certain things that you need to be clear on.
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  Speaker 2: There's questions that you need to answer of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: There is a bit of a process to follow if you want to change career.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as simple as just applying for a different job, and we'll go through a bit of that today.
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  Speaker 2: The third thing is permission.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm not talking about getting permission from anybody else, because I guarantee if you say to a family member or a friend that you are feeling unhappy in your career or you're feeling a bit uncertain or stuck, they are not going to say, ok, oh, don't worry, just just stick with it, just stay doing what you're doing, it'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: They are most likely going to encourage you to explore what other options you have.
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  Speaker 2: So the permission that you need to gain is very often your own, and that might sound silly, but we often don't give ourselves permission to do this.
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  Speaker 2: We would give permission to everybody else to do it, but when it comes to ourselves so to do this, we would give permission to everybody else to do it, but when it comes to ourselves?
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  Speaker 2: So just ask yourself am I giving myself permission to take this next step or am I finding every reason and excuse why I can't do it?
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  Speaker 2: And the final thing that stops most people and I would say this is 95% of people that I see is a lack of confidence.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes sense, right, because how can you feel confident in something that you possibly haven't done before?
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  Speaker 2: You don't know the outcome of it's impossible.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to start feeling confident from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: So the way that we can overcome that is to aim for courage over confidence.
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  Speaker 2: So aim to have the courage to start taking small steps and small actions that are going to compound and build up that confidence.
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  Speaker 2: And as you start taking those steps, you will become much clearer on where you're trying to get to and your vision will become clearer, and then you will start building in confidence that you can actually get there and you know where you want to get to.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's much more on that to come next week actually.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if people pop in their comments, you know obviously you're here for a reason.
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  Speaker 1: You want to make a change and you know what is stopping you really good, you know for people to share their experience.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: What do you think stopping you from making the change that you want and need in the comments, um, and you said there's obviously little steps as well, what people are putting in the comments that, um, people can do to build confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Have you got any tips or anything like that you could be sharing on what some of your clients have done to you know, build confidence in small steps yeah, I honestly say the first, the first place to start with building confidence, if you're feeling a bit unsure is start talking to people.
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  Speaker 2: Because the minute you start opening up to people and talking about how you're feeling a bit unsure is start talking to people.
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  Speaker 2: Because the minute you start opening up to people and talking about how you're feeling about your job and what you think you might want to do, instead, people start coming in and wanting to support you and wanting to help you.
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  Speaker 2: And I know you can't you can't tell everyone how you're feeling about your job, especially maybe not the people at your work, but other people, and people start linking you up with people that you can chat to.
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  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, that I would say that is the first step.
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  Speaker 2: Just think about who's in your network or in your close circle that you can talk to about it, and I'm sure you know they will then easily say well, have you thought of this, have you thought of that?
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  Speaker 2: And they're not always going to be helpful suggestions, but the more you can brainstorm it with other people, the more ideas you'll get and the more confident you will feel that you can make it happen you know, sophie said what's stopping her is scared of it not working overwhelm on where to start, but she says fear of failing when you make the change.
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  Speaker 1: But you know we've all had that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, completely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time, like literally even before us doing this call, we were like panicking, weren't we on the tech?
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  Speaker 2: and we had yeah, yeah, I said you know is the tech, and then yeah, and then and then it wasn't like, wasn't smooth sailing.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so that is yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Laura says not knowing how or where to start.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah says definitely confidence for me.
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  Speaker 1: Md said fear everything, lack lack of experience, lack of money, instability, a loss of work-life balance.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that as well because you know when you take something you want, it often is a bit more hard work.
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  Speaker 1: It can be hard work and then you're worried.
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  Speaker 1: You know I feel that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why, if you put all the groundwork in and I'll talk through a couple of exercises in a minute to put the groundwork in, to understand what exactly is it you're looking for, what is really important to you right now, and what is it, what is a career going to look like that will suit you and your family?
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  Speaker 2: If you have a family, you know what, what does that package look like and how can we achieve that for you?
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I totally get all of all of those fears, because I said confidence and faith in myself yeah, yeah yeah, difficult isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: and I I I know this is my experience, but I think once you do little things to build your confidence, it's a little bit like a muscle.
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  Speaker 1: It's like going to the gym and you start.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really going to go, but you start off doing you're quite small and then you, you know, you'll pull and you'll do some small weights and then you can go.
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  Speaker 1: I managed to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I can maybe do some bigger weights yeah, absolutely it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's about it's the courage to take those little steps, even when, in the beginning, you don't know where they're going to take you, so you don't know the end point, which is difficult at the start, and it's hard to take steps when you don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: But that is really the best way to start gaining that confidence absolutely let me know, do you want me to change?
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: the slides.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Oh no, sorry, go back to that one.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to talk through yeah, no, no, I'm just going to talk through the um.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest mistake that I see people make when they're feeling unhappy, unsettled, unsure about where they're going in their career, and it is jumping straight into scrolling jobs boards and applying for jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that might seem silly, because for most people, that's the obvious place to go if you want a different job.
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  Speaker 2: People, that's the obvious place to go if you want a different job.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem with starting there is that you are purely motivated away from what you don't want.
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  Speaker 2: So you know why you're wanting to make a change, because you've probably got a list of all the things that you don't like about your current job or career and you're motivated to get away from that.
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  Speaker 2: But what you don't know and what you aren't clear on is exactly what you are motivated towards.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what you need to know when you are looking for new opportunities.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So what can we?
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: do instead.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to move on your slides now.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I think as well from a recruiter perspective.
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  Speaker 1: We get hundreds of CVs and it looks like a lot of people haven't really put a lot of thought into their applications and then they are inevitably rejected because we've got hundreds of applications and I think that's the worst thing that you can do for your confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you're going to stand out so much better if you do fewer but more thoughtful applications.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: There's constant rejections yeah, okay, so what can you do?
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  Speaker 2: Instead, you need to get really clear on three things who you are, what you need and what you can offer.
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  Speaker 2: And these three things who you are, what you need and what you can offer and these three things packaged up is your professional DNA.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And the reason it's so important to be clear on that is because that will be what you use to map opportunities against.
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  Speaker 2: So when you get to the point of scrolling jobs boards, you know, speaking to people about opportunities, you want to have this anchor that you can refer back to and you can look.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: When you're looking at things, you can think does that meet who I am right now and what I need from my career, and does it marry up with what I can actually offer?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: So that is your anchor.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And um, I think, liz, you'll probably agree with me here and you just mentioned it.
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  Speaker 2: Then I think a lot of people don't spend enough time on thinking about what they can offer.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I think when you know people think a lot about you, know what they need from their next career, and that is obviously very important.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: But it's also what what can you offer?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Because ultimately and this sounds brutal, but when a hiring manager or a recruiter gets an application, they are looking immediately for what you can offer.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: They're not looking for the other, the other bits.
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  Speaker 1: In the first instance, maybe once you get to interview and stuff, they want to know more about who you are and but I do find that people like over explain I feel awful saying it like over explain personal lives and circumstances in a cv and as a hiring manager myself, you know I really obviously like my team and like knowing about their lives, but at that first instance I am just recruiting for somebody that can help my business exactly.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like 99 percent like everyone other hiring manager, or yeah yeah, totally, yeah, I don't really care overly about hobbies or anything like that, and I feel awful saying it, but I just think you're wasting a lot of space on CVs yeah, that first, that first screening definitely sales
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: document really a CV and people yeah and I think you're doing a session on that, aren't you?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Later in the series, so I won't touch on that um anymore now.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: But yes, it's um, it's a real skill knowing how to sell yourself, because ultimately, you need to sell the outcome of hiring you to that person.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: So, um, let's have a look at what you need.
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  Speaker 2: So, if you want to change the slide, yeah, well, it's the next.
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  Speaker 2: It's still on this slide, but I think it's the next click.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, perfect.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So we're going to think about your move makers and I've sort of made this word up, really but essentially, what I mean is the things that are going to make you want to make the move to this next role, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: So just have a look.
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  Speaker 2: I've just put some examples here in this box.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Just have a look at those words in there.
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  Speaker 2: And what I want you to do probably in your own time we haven't got time to do it live, but maybe take a photo of that is have a think about which of those things, if you, if a job description or an opportunity came up and it matched things on this list, which ones would it be that would make you say, yeah, I'm making a move for those things?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: people could maybe.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I know we're not doing the proper exercise now, but if you've anything, if any of these are sticking out for you, then please pop them in the comments.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely yeah, and what I would encourage you to do is, first of all, make a long list of five things that stick out to you you might have things that aren't on this on this list by the way, you can have other things as well.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: These are just examples, but five things and then whittle it down to three non-negotiables.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So you've got three non-negotiables and the other two are your desirables.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So, a bit like when you are looking at a job description and they are saying what their non-negotiables are and their desirables are, you want to have the same thing for you when you're looking at an opportunity.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So have your long list of five, your short list of three, and then this step people miss out, but it's really important Write your definition of what that word means to you, because I could have feedback as one of my really important things.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I can't do a job if I'm not getting regular feedback, but my idea of feedback is going to be very different to yours.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So write a definition of the things, the five things, on your list.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly what does that mean to you?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: What do you need that to look like?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going to move on to talk a little bit about my, about my DIY career roundabout exercise.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Aisha said will we get slides off the talk?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I can send you through the recording because I know this is like all gold, isn't it for Kim?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: so thank you sorry.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: There's quite a lot.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I've jam-packed it this is a good slide.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ok.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So please excuse the amateur visual here that I've just drawn up myself, but this is an exercise you can do at home.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle is your roundabout and I want you to imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Every time you are making a decision in your career about where to go next, you come back to your roundabout.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I've put a little sun in the middle, because I want you to imagine the middle of your roundabout is your favourite place on earth.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So, whatever that is, I've just put a sun because that's a generic thing that most people like.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: But whatever that looks like whether it's a beach somewhere, maybe the mountains, maybe it's your favourite armchair in your living room, whatever it is your favourite place in the world is in the middle of this, because you want to revisit this roundabout and you want to spend some time here.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So this is your roundabout Now, the road top right as I'm looking at it, where I've put head of marketing at Google.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I want you to think about when you're doing it yourself put the title of your current or most previous job or current or most recent job at the top of the road and the company at the bottom, and then in that road, I want you to write down all of the skills that you have gained or used in that role, all the experience, all the knowledge, the network that you've gained, so the people that you've met through that job, any ideas you've had whilst you've been in that job, maybe about future opportunities, whatever that is, things you've learned about yourself, so self-awareness things, what are your preferences about work life and how that looks to you Throw all of that in there until that road is jam packed full of stuff that you have learned in that role.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Then I want you to take a pen and circle the ones that you enjoy, the ones that stand out to you, the ones that you want to do more of moving forwards, and then transfer those into the centre of your roundabout so that then in the centre of your roundabout you just have all of the good stuff, all of the stuff that you are really good at, that you have gained in your job, that you want to take forwards, and then repeat that for all of the jobs you have done so far in your career.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I like that Because I think that a lot of people you know done so far in your career, because I think a lot of people you know you come up I think I hate that job, I hate my current job.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Actually, if you do something like this it makes you maybe appreciate some of the things you you know a job you might have enjoyed on the whole actually, if you think actually there were certain things I did enjoy about it or I learned certain things you you know, sort of positive reframing yeah, and you people you've met or you know there will be parts of every job that you've done that will help inform your next move and it's important to recognize the bits that you've enjoyed.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So you might you might have gained a skill throughout your career that you are amazing at now, but you actually don't enjoy it at all.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You've just become really good at it because you've had to do it loads.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: So it's good to recognize that skill because there might be a way that you can kind of reframe it into something else further down the line.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But really think about the things that you have enjoyed line, but really think about the things that you have enjoyed.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Bring it all into the center of your roundabout and then, the ones that you want to take forwards into your next career, put them into the next road.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: So, where the green arrow goes, start to write those in there and then you are starting to build up a picture of what it is you're motivated towards.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And when I do, when people have done this exercise, it's amazing how much you have taken from all of your previous jobs, even the ones you didn't like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like Liz says, there will be nuggets in there that are going to help shape where you go next, next slide, okay, and the next step.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So this is my career clarity speed strategy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So I've kind of stolen the template from the strategy book by Max McCowan but I've changed the what's in it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: So his is a HR generic strategy.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: This is specifically for career clarity.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So we've got where am I now and where do I want to get to and, importantly, we've got who can help me.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: This is so, so important when you are making a change in your career, specifically if you are changing direction completely.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: But regardless of that, whatever move you're making or wanting to make, your network is so important.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so many jobs aren't advertised.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: They will come through your network.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: They are most likely to come through your network.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So you're more likely to get an interview, aren aren't you?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: If you come with a recommendation as well, yes, and it's the know like and trust, isn't it?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that's getting people places.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So where am I now?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Where do I want to get to?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Then we've got what is going well, or would be even better, if and what do I want to let go of.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And then, down the middle, we've got three really important questions what do I enjoy learning or talking about?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: What are my career deal breakers and what strengths do I want to be known for?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: So the thing I love about this framework is that you can start anywhere you like and you can move around as you see fit.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So if you start in the top corner there, where am I now?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: You might be thinking I'm in a job I don't like, I'm fed up, I just want to get out of here, and you might not have anything else really to say about the matter.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You've got nothing else you want to add to that box at this point.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So that's fine.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Jump down to what do I want to let go of.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Oh well, actually I hate the commute.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I really don't like that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I miss out on lots of family things because there's no flexibility.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well, now you ask I don't really like my boss, he's too controlling.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And you start to you get.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: You get on a roll with it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so those are the things you want to let go of and you don't want in your next career.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So let's jump to then.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: What are your career deal breakers?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Because some of those things might be deal breakers in your next role pop them in the comment.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be really interesting to see what people you know think so.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: If you're, yeah, if you obviously as kind of talking, maybe you can pop in your you know anyone, if you feel inspiration, what you currently enjoy learning, talking about what are your career deal breakers and what strengths do you want to know for?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, interrupted you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: No, no that's great, and I can't see the questions coming through.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So you um, yeah, just shout I'll tell you about the comments yeah at um, yeah, so you can jump around.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And your deal breakers well, those we've already talked about.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: When we're talking about your move makers, essentially it's the flip side of that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: So what are the things that you won't move if it doesn't offer you that?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Um, what's going well would be even better if so, that's about let's build on the things that we have liked about what we've done to date, but let's make them even better.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I was working in.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I love working in a team and I've worked in a team of 50 people.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: But actually, do you know what I know?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: For me, it would be even better if I was in a slightly smaller team.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So I love working in a team, but maybe a team you know it's a bit smaller around 10 people would be even better for me.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So you're picking up the positives and making them even better.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And then just to touch on, what do I enjoy learning or talking about?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So it's really important to zoom out a little bit here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: So don't just think about the jobs that you've done so far.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I know that we've talked a lot about that and you do need to pull from there but think also about when you're out and about with friends or family or whatever it is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Whoever you're talking to, what are the topics of conversation that come up that you think I've got something to add to that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I need to get involved with that conversation.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I really love talking about this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: What are those things?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Because maybe there's something that you could do using the experience you've had so far.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But in an industry that's linked to whatever that thing is that you love talking about, you know and you can then marry them up.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It just opens up your opportunities a bit more.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: It gets you thinking a bit wider and you really need to zoom out to be able to then zoom back in with greater clarity.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And then strengths.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So the reason I've worded it like this what strengths do I want to be known for, rather than just what are your skills is because it's important you're thinking about what strengths are important to you, so not necessarily the ones that you're best at yet.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So there may be some that you're great at and you love and that's brilliant.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But you might say I want to be known as a really good communicator.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: That's really important to me.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So then it's like OK, well, what can we do about that to make sure that is a strength of yours moving into your next role and once you've answered those, you will start to shape where do I want to get to?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And you're not expecting at this point to have a job role written in that box.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: This is, this is the groundwork.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: So you build up a picture of where you want to get to and then, like I say, when you're looking at opportunities or talking to people about opportunities, you can map back against all of this which builds into your professional DNA.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You understand where you're trying to get to and you have much more chance of selling that vision to the recruiter or the hiring manager okay, we've had um michelle said lack of flexible working is a deal breaker with her children.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Um aisha said and someone else has agreed with aisha that you're right that many jobs come through your network.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: It seems that being an introvert puts you at a disadvantage here.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: What advice would you offer to introverts in this?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: respect, that's a very interesting one and I would imagine leanne is probably going to have a lot to say on this when she does her session about networking and linkedin.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But being I actually oh, I wish I had it to hand I did a slide deck about networking as an introvert and now I'm trying to think about what I said in it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was in that slide deck?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: First of all, don't see it as an objective.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I think people think, oh, those who shout loudest are going to get the opportunities.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: It's not true.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: It's not about shouting loudly.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It's about being clear on what you want and also what you can offer in those conversations.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: So if you're quite introverted and you want to start building your network, think about how you can do it with one-on-one conversations.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You don't probably want to go and stand in a room of people you don't know and network.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't think many people really like that form of networking.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But that's not really what we're talking about.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: We're talking about who are the people that you know, that you can reach out to and just say I'm quite interested in what you're doing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Can I just have a chat for 15 minutes?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it really is as easy as that to start with, and, trust me, people want to help.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I've never known anybody say, oh God, I've asked five people and nobody wants to talk to me.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I think people are quite flattered when you ask them about their job.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: To be honest, you know they think, oh, someone thinks what I'm doing is, you know, impressive and interesting and they might want to do it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Great, I'll share what I know, so just have the courage to just reach out individually it's.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you don't need to shout from the rooftops, you don't need to be massively extroverted to quietly build up your network um, a lot of people are saying flexible working is deal break for them, and someone else said company culture is also really important as well yes, liz is on it with your flexible working opportunities.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this I hope.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I think this has been such a good session to kick it off, and I hope everyone's had some real chance to reflect as well.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you to all your brilliant exercises.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Shall I move on to the next slide?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, please.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So if you've listened to all of that and you are still thinking I just don't know where to start, there's just so much here.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Strip it all back and ask yourself what if making this simple was your only option, because it is so easy to overcomplicate things that sometimes can be made a bit more simple, things that sometimes can be made a bit more simple.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So, as an example, in a session I was doing with one of my clients, it was her first session and she was talking through where she was at and where she thought she might want to go, but she couldn't go there because of X, y, z, and she was talking and talking and getting herself really tangled up.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: So I just stopped her and I said I asked her this question what of making this simple was your only option?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And she went completely silent and so did I, and I just waited and it felt like about 10 minutes, but in reality it was probably less than a minute.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: We were sat there but then she said, well, I'd find something I was good at and that I enjoyed and I would do more of that, and that was it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And suddenly you could see she just relaxed a bit and she just untangled all of the chaos that was going on in her head and she was like, yeah, that is all, that is what I need to do.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: So then we used that as our point of reference to come back to as we were working through my program with her.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: We, every time we spoke about something, whether it was her skills, for example I'd say to her okay, is that a skill that you're good at, you enjoy using and you want to do more of?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: And she would say yes or no, and someone knows and it's like, well, let's leave that then.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Because when we stripped it back to what was the simplest answer for you, it was that, so let's leave the things that don't meet that criteria.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Um, so it's a really good anchor and you will all have maybe different answers to that that question and you might have to think about it for a bit.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, just reflect on that one.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: If you're still feeling like you just don't know where to go, okay, and if you want more support.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So if you want, like, ongoing accountability and support, then I offer that.
• 39:32
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• 39:32
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• 39:49
  Speaker 2: So if you think you would benefit from some one-to-one focused time, then check out my website.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It has all the details on there wwwkimhollandcoachingcouk.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Or just drop me a note at the end of this session.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: My email address is on there.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Kim at kimhollandcoachingcouk, I'd love to hear from you, even just to let me know how you found today's session, what you found useful, but also if you've got any questions about how I can help you further, then I do have a free career MOT resource, which just helps you to pause, assess and then move forwards with clarity.
• 40:35
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• 40:40
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• 40:42
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• 40:46
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• 40:49
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• 40:51
  Speaker 1: You'll see it as soon as you land on there brilliant, and I think we were going to send something out actually afterwards for you anyway I don't know if it was this or something yes, yeah, that's fine.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we can definitely send.
• 41:02
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• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'll send the replays, because I know someone said how brilliant the slides were, which obviously I, um I agree with as well.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: This has been absolutely amazing, okay, and thank you.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: What session did you kick off, um?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you're on social media, which presumably you are.
• 41:19
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• 41:20
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• 41:24
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• 41:26
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• 41:28
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• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm gonna stop the share now.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Let me just remove that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: So it's just me and you.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, michelle said it works for you in the qr case that's.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: That was so good.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and you know I really really appreciate you coming on here.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 41:48
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• 41:48
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• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much to everyone as well that's joined us today.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: People have said great session, thank you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Great concise talk, thank you very much You're getting some really, really nice feedback, so I know that hopefully this has really helped people gain a bit more clarity Before people log off.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe just pop in a comment what's one thing you're going to do this week to help you gain that clarity on what you're going to do next.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Um, that you know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Just hold yourself a little bit accountable for one thing you're going to do this week.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You're going to take away from kim's talk, but we'll put all the links.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: We'll send a replay of the session also the um career remedy, or um.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know you were going to share, and um, obviously all your contact details and everything as well.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So, thank you so much.
• 42:36
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• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That was brilliant.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Um.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much, kim.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it was helpful.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so michelle's going to do the worksheet as well.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: So yes, great granny said professional dna was very insightful.
• 42:49
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• 42:50
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