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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 390 - The Gemstone Files · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 2: Night and here we go. Oh lah, what's up my
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  Speaker 2: good people? Sorry for the slight delay that is on me.
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  Speaker 2: My phone died and I was out back on the
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  Speaker 2: screending porch and I thought I had more time than
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  Speaker 2: I had, but apparently I did not. Anyway, what's up everybody? Joe,
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  Speaker 2: how are you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing well. I am doing well. We were
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  Speaker 1: definitely going into the rabbit hole tonight. That's what we'll say.
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  Speaker 2: That we are. We are going deep, deep into that hole. Joe. Yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Every once in a while you got to go deep
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  Speaker 2: in the hole, you know, So strap a board on
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  Speaker 2: your ass and dive in with us. This is a
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  Speaker 2: longoming podcast. This is episode three hundred and ninety and
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  Speaker 2: we will be talking about a little thing called the
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  Speaker 2: Gemstone Files this evening, which is I don't know, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I like to think of it as the Granddaddy of
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  Speaker 2: all conspiracies. I kind of liken it to the octopus
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: All these tentacles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, if you ever wanted to believe
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  Speaker 2: in a great, grand conspiracy bigger than anything you've ever
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  Speaker 2: dreamed of or can imagine, this is it, Like this
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  Speaker 2: is this is it? Now. We were talking a little
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  Speaker 2: bit on memory is only about some things, and I
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  Speaker 2: kind of mentioned this, but in my head I always
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  Speaker 2: get these two things messed up, and that would be
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  Speaker 2: the Gemstone Files, right, and the Torbet Document aka Nomenclature
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  Speaker 2: of an assassination Cabal, because I believe we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about William Seymour and somewhere in my head I conflated
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  Speaker 2: the two subject matter wise. But that's okay, because I
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  Speaker 2: figured that this would make a good part one, if
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  Speaker 2: you will. We're going to talk about the Gemstone Files,
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  Speaker 2: and then we can do for members only part two.
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  Speaker 2: We can do the Torbet Document because they are kind
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  Speaker 2: of the same, uh, you know, when you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: where they came from and what they are. Really basically
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  Speaker 2: they're kind kind of a random like well, the skeleton
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  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, with the Gemstone Files. Uh, we don't
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  Speaker 2: really have them, per se what these are. It's thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands of handwritten pages of some random dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's theory, right, and we don't know who that random
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  Speaker 1: dude is.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, Well, we do know the dude allegedly his name
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  Speaker 2: is Bruce Roberts. Okay, but we don't really know who
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  Speaker 2: this guy really is. I mean, maybe he's a real guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What we do have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead and.
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  Speaker 1: I will show the only alleged known photo of mister Robbers.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and a little bit nice and uh. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the the title of Gemstones comes from him having some
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  Speaker 1: gemstones using some secret technology that apparently how were here
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  Speaker 1: stole from him. So this is we're going down the
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  Speaker 1: rabbit hole here, guys.
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  Speaker 2: There, I promise. I mean, this is one conspiracy that
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  Speaker 2: goes back a lot of years. And let's just say
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  Speaker 2: that there there, there's a reason. Now, what did end
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  Speaker 2: up happening, Joe is what was that lady's name? There
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  Speaker 2: was a lady who published a book called The Skeleton
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  Speaker 2: Key to Themstone Files.
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  Speaker 1: I think I have it here? Was it Stephanie Corona?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know how you say her last name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm probably butchering it.
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  Speaker 2: You are probably butchering it.
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  Speaker 1: But h.
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  Speaker 2: I say, carojuana, carojuana, carojuana.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Possibly, Yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah. Now, what's interesting
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  Speaker 2: about this Gemstone File and this Bruce Roberts guy. Allegedly
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  Speaker 2: he would hand deliver some of his things to Hustler magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Larry Flint would publish some of it. He was allegedly
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  Speaker 2: in touch with May Brussel and fed her a lot
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  Speaker 2: of this information which she would you know, use on
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  Speaker 2: her radio show and then her newsletters and things. Allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Roberts was born in eighteen, nineteen nineteen, and died
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  Speaker 2: of lung cancer in San Francisco on July sixteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy six. Some skafuza named fact Sheet five. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 2: Mike Gunderloyd who published something called fact Sheet five. Likely
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  Speaker 2: some Zene or whatever. This guy would also self publish
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  Speaker 2: for some versions of the Gemstone File. Gunderloyd wrote that
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  Speaker 2: the original Gemstone File was simply a list of contributors
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  Speaker 2: to the Committee to re Elect the President, which was creep,
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  Speaker 2: which is, you know, comes out of the water Gate
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  Speaker 2: eight era. If you will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You also have a book, The Gemstone File by
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  Speaker 1: uh or just edited by Jim Smith. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: an author's name on it.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Keith, Jim Keith, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Illuminati net Press, Illumine net Press.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, all that all that does is that book
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  Speaker 2: includes the Skeleton Key to the Gemstone Files, an interview
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  Speaker 2: with Missus Carojuana, and excerpts May Brussels radio broadcasts on
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  Speaker 2: the Skeleton Key and the Gemstone File. Mm hmm, and
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  Speaker 2: articles by Robert Anton Wilson, Carrie Thornley and others. So
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  Speaker 2: we know how batshit crazy Carrie Thornley was.
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 2: And Robert Anton Wilson, you know, these guys were doing
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  Speaker 2: the Discordian thing and way way out there. And Ken Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: another JFK conspiracy author, wrote a book called Inside the
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  Speaker 2: Gemstone File, published by Steamshovel Press along with David Hatcher
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  Speaker 2: Childress in nineteen ninety nine. Yes, and that book explores
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  Speaker 2: James Bond novels and movies compared with the Skeleton.
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  Speaker 1: Key, mind Control and conspiracy series.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. And it does touch on Danny Castillarro's mysterious death.
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  Speaker 2: I Lie the Octopus, which if you have not watched it,
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  Speaker 2: get your ass over to Netflix. What are you doing
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  Speaker 2: and dive in?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Rob. Just to just to make it clear
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  Speaker 1: for the AU, the skeleton key is the twenty four
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  Speaker 1: page document or notes if you will, that remains from the.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the Tomstone Files themselves have never been published in
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  Speaker 2: their entirety or in at all, at least not that
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  Speaker 2: I could find anywhere. There's something out there called the
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  Speaker 2: Opal File, which deals which is part of the Gemstone File,
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  Speaker 2: which deals with a vast of NASAs conspiracy involving New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand and Australia and oil and natural resources and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of crazy stuff conspiracies involving that. So what I
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  Speaker 2: think happened Joe is that he named each each part
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  Speaker 2: of the Gemstone Files after a gemstone, which I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: The only one I could find was the Opal, the
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  Speaker 2: Opal File, But that doesn't really have anything to do
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  Speaker 2: with the jfk assassination either. But before we get into
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  Speaker 2: the Gymstone File, Joe, please go ahead and welcome the
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  Speaker 2: good folks in here who are nice and patient waiting
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  Speaker 2: for us, and uh hit the table there and then
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  Speaker 2: we will get started to Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, who got the gold.
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  Speaker 2: Rob Roger Roger, hey, job.
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  Speaker 1: And Double B got the silver. He says, nice good,
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  Speaker 1: nice good job Roger, and mister Robert fully Aer got
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  Speaker 1: the bronze. Yes, you did get it, sir. Uh Trey
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  Speaker 1: coming coming in as the runner up.
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  Speaker 2: Trey is not in third, No, he's He's number one.
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  Speaker 1: In our hearts for sure. Mister James Smith loved that
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  Speaker 1: AI artwork. Yeah, we are looking at the gemstones. Jack Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: what up? Are we starting an hour early tonight? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think so. We're starting in a couple of minutes late.
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  Speaker 2: John P.
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  Speaker 1: Nolan, what's up? So many Martin's and gaze involved?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, God bless the Gays.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, South to West ready for this. Hello sir, Although
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  Speaker 1: you didn't get a metal, you are racking up the golds.
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  Speaker 1: Owen Smith evening and Double B gifted five. Hello gunman.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, David Ferry approves, Thank you, Brandon appreciated brother.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, troops coming in from the next day here in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, but can't wait? Amen to that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeap Zendar Eendor. Of course the Double B we already
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  Speaker 1: said Scott Edwards, sporing my Oswalt and Ruby podcast shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Well this actually might be a good time to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the new merch which I and the Double B
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  Speaker 1: because he texted me has ordered today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a reference from the members only show
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  Speaker 1: where I put a bunch of pictures of my Italy
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  Speaker 1: trip and there was a picture of Saint Mark's Basilica
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  Speaker 1: in Venice and it had all the Saints lined up,
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  Speaker 1: and I got here.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pull it up, Joe to show the show folks.
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  Speaker 1: Here. I'm giving the context here. And my kind of
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  Speaker 1: nickname named by the Doublebe is Saint Joseph the Skaffusa,
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  Speaker 1: patron of the Scaffoss, and I kind of respect it.
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  Speaker 1: I like it, and we were joking we got to
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  Speaker 1: move a couple of them over to make room for me.
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  Speaker 1: So Rob got this great idea to make merch of this,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to sport it. It's pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Let's see if I can figure this out. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: do you see a thing on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Just the blank your bit emoji if you will.
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  Speaker 2: Just MASKI foods, just your.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful beard and bald head pondering something maybe the jumpstone.
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  Speaker 2: Hum well, how in the hell, why do I hear
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  Speaker 2: the themes theme.
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  Speaker 1: Music because my YouTube opened. Mm hm.
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  Speaker 2: Oh here it goes Jesus Man. What in the Samuel Hades?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Samuel Hades? Where do you get thought from?
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  Speaker 2: Sam Hill?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and you see it now?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, uh. The picture where your cursor is over
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  Speaker 1: is uh yeah, maybe click on that, yeah to make
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  Speaker 1: it bigger. Yeah. So that is me in my robe
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  Speaker 1: Saint Joseph and at the bottom it says patron Saint
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  Speaker 1: of Skufuzas and I'm holding a JFK book with a microphone.
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  Speaker 2: Duct taped to a staff. Yes, yes, so I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I ordered one today in black, and uh, I'm pumped.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a sin to wear it to church? Double
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  Speaker 1: b let me know? But to Worr? Sure? But you
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  Speaker 1: got the mug, you got the coffee cup? Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the one I ordered. Oh boy, it's good. And there's
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  Speaker 1: like fifteen percent off by the way too on the
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  Speaker 1: merch site right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah for another you're three days fifteen percent off everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so saved me a couple of bucks. But that
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  Speaker 1: that was funny. I really liked it and I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait to wear it to my dad's house, who is
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  Speaker 1: very religious to see what he says.
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  Speaker 2: That looks good on the brown too.
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  Speaker 1: It does, it does. I might have to order a
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  Speaker 1: couple more colors, as I I didn't love the white
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  Speaker 1: on it, But like I said on the merchide, you
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  Speaker 1: could choose any color and and we pay the same
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  Speaker 1: for merchants. You do, guys, so, or at least I do.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little maybe gay, but that color.
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  Speaker 2: Again, you can change the colors. These are just display
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  Speaker 2: colors for certain things, right, I mean you could even
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  Speaker 2: go really gay and get like or light pink, a
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  Speaker 2: lighter shade of pink if you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I believe that will be tinyes color of choice.
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  Speaker 2: Yell or even looks good too. I like that. I
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  Speaker 2: kind of like that. Yeah, yeah, although you could probably
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  Speaker 2: see your nipples do that shirt very well for some reason?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it though. It's a It's a good
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  Speaker 1: design and I'm not too gray on there.
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  Speaker 2: Which I like. I'm getting better at this whole AI thing,
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  Speaker 2: you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought the black was really slick. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what I chose for myself and nice. Hopefully I
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  Speaker 1: will be sporting it in the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: So let me continue the introductions as you go here, Steve, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: how's it hanging? Everyone? Good, i'd say, Timothy Rahan, good evening, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful spring night here in Philadelphia. Yeah, it's nice weather
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  Speaker 1: here up in Connecticut as well. Tony Holman, what up?
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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday everyone, doom Claude and aunt you. Dene is
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  Speaker 1: having a grand old time at the Driftwood Motel and
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  Speaker 1: says how to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Paper thin walls at the Driftwood Motel, telling you need
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  Speaker 2: to keep it down a little bit. It's getting a
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  Speaker 2: little get a little loud and heat it over there.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, mister Derek. Uh, Swindon man, Swindon man. Yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: are you good evening? I hope you're having a good
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  Speaker 1: evening as well, sir. Uh, that's myself there, Paul Andichi,
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  Speaker 1: what up, Bud? How are you? Uh? And Uh? Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to miss anyone because I always seem
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  Speaker 1: to miss someone. Sally, we can't miss her.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Si, did you hit Timothy Brian?
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  Speaker 1: I did hit Timothy Brian.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we've shouted you out and remembers only for dropping
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  Speaker 2: episodes of the show and random Facebook groups.
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  Speaker 1: You are a man, Yes, thank you, Thank you? Tim
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  Speaker 1: and uh, oh my god, I can never pronounce this.
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  Speaker 2: Um hm.
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  Speaker 1: Hm you look at.
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  Speaker 2: You look at the Luga. Yes, you look at the Luga.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like some people just make the names to
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  Speaker 1: make me, uh mispronounce them. Uh, mister Ashley, what up?
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  Speaker 1: Fran Fitzgerald, thank you so much for my gift. Membership
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  Speaker 1: was very generous of you. Oh are you saying that
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  Speaker 1: to the Double B? Yes, the Double B is a
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  Speaker 1: very generous soul Southwest. We already said hi to h
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  Speaker 1: Saint Shoby. Yeah, one day, allegedly, I got a long
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  Speaker 1: way to go. But I have been being a good
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  Speaker 1: Catholic boy, trying to be trying to repent for my sins,
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  Speaker 1: which there are many. So yeah, let's uh, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into it. Rob.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's very distracting. What the hell is going
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  Speaker 2: on on your shoulder? Is that a tag hanging out?
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  Speaker 1: This?
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  Speaker 2: No, the white thing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's l RG Lifted Research Group.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is it supposed to be there? Yea, Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: thought I thought maybe you had a I don't know
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  Speaker 2: normally tags in the back, but yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We are LIFTED here and we do research and we
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  Speaker 1: are a group, So I like wearing this shirt sometimes anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, welcome in, welcome in, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: In, folks bad indeed, that.
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  Speaker 2: Means good evening in Spanish in a tongue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the few phrases I knew. I
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  Speaker 1: knew when I said bon dui. I got like two
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  Speaker 1: dozen phrases down in my five and a half weeks
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  Speaker 1: in Italy, and I was one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Is can I hit the other one?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? If not, I had to you speak into my
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  Speaker 1: translation app and then show them.
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  Speaker 2: Can I smash?
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  Speaker 1: I could ask.
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  Speaker 2: You have that one right in your back pocket?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's on my home screen. Can I smash?
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  Speaker 2: Does she say it in Italian?
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  Speaker 5: H No, I mean it just does it in text,
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  Speaker 5: but it says poso fai.
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  Speaker 1: See.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, thanks Joe, You're welcome usked.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I had to communicate for like a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how people did it but
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  Speaker 1: before then. But let's get to it. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the skaffoozi for now.
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  Speaker 2: And okay, okay, okay, the Gemstone files, yes, folks, the
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  Speaker 2: jim Stone files. So again, we don't have text per se.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some somewhere somewhere out there in La
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  Speaker 2: La Land somewhere. But they're allegedly a collection of handwritten
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  Speaker 2: thousands of pages of some of the rantings of Bruce
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  Speaker 2: Roberts Okay, that he started releasing back in nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 2: nine to select certain Americans right again, like I mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: like May Brussel, possibly Richard Nixon. But it goes back
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  Speaker 2: a while aways, if you will, at least back. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing I can see, Joe, is it goes back
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  Speaker 2: to nineteen thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, that's kind of when the timeline starts, if
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  Speaker 1: you will.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bond of the conspiracy. Now, I do find
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  Speaker 2: it interesting, Joe, that this dude, aristotleo Nassis okay, would
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  Speaker 2: be the man that Jackie Kennedy would run to and
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  Speaker 2: eventually mary after JFK's assassination. At the time, ARISTOTLEO Nasis
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  Speaker 2: was one of the richest people in the world. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And allegedly it started off basically by giving her some
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  Speaker 2: place to go, giving her access to as many yachts
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  Speaker 2: and mansions all over the world to hide away from
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  Speaker 2: the public prying eyes. Because that you can imagine after
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  Speaker 2: the assassin a nation, how Jackie Kennedy felt. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the media would have been trying non stop to talk
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  Speaker 2: to this woman, you know what I mean. And you
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  Speaker 2: know she didn't go run to him right away. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it took a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at nineteen sixty eight they married.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they were definitely met before that though, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: to get out of the prying eyes of the press
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  Speaker 2: even back then, you know, you had very few options. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Jackie Kennedy was no slouts. I mean she
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  Speaker 2: had money, her family came from money. But on NASA's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: had what we like to call Joe fuck you money, Yes,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like fuck you, fuck you, fuck you no you're cool
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and fuck you fuck you buck you look you no
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You're cool.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Allegedly this guy who's Bruce Roberts is calling Uh Aristotle
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of Nasis, a Greek drug pusher and shipowner who made
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: his first millions selling Turkish tobacco aka opium in Argentina,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: which is down in South America. UH and worked out
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: a profitable deal with Joseph Kennedy, Eugene Mayor and Meyer Lansky.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: O Nassas was to ship Booze directly to Boston for
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Joseph Kennedy also involved was a Heroin deal with Franklin
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Delano Roosevelt. Okay, allegedly, so as you can see, this
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: kind of starts off in Land. Yes, fast forward in
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty four, ARISTOTLEO NASAs. I'm guessing that's JD. Rockefeller,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: maybe Nelson, I don't know. I think it's probably JD.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Though he's an old dude. And the Seven Sisters, which
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: would be the major oil companies, if you will, signed
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: an agreement that outlined an oil cartel. Basically, they all
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: these big swinging dicks like onnasa's Rockefeller and all these
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: other rich oil company owners sign an agreement to basically
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: beat the Arabs out of their oil and ship it
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: on on Nasas's ships, Rockefeller and the Seven Sisters to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: get rich. And all this was done so basically it
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: was a collusion, if you will, from all these giant
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: oil magnets to basically get themselves rich and built the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: rest of the world out of money for oil. All right,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: not much changed, no, I mean, if you've been to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the pump.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Lately, Joe, I have, and it sucks, Yeah, I mean Jesus, so, yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: not much has changed.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, this is how these old old money.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: You know, we're talking like back in the Titanic days,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you know, when when they were coming up with these
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: federal reserve banks, you know, and you see these same
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: names coming up again and again and again and again.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: You know, these grandfathers of basically racketeering, you know, controlling
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: our energy resources, whether it be electricity, oil, our pharmaceutical system,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: our money system, our banking system, our credit system. I mean,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: there's certain names that just keep coming up over and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: over and over again.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Right, yep, yep. And he did own the world's largest
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: privately owned shipping fleet.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Unass Yes. Yeah, So this lawyer dude, allegedly, Bruce Roberts
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: studied gernal journalism and physics at the University of Wisconsin
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and uh learned of these things. And his special interest
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: then was in crystallography and the creation of synthetic ruby rubies.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Joe clun your dog, We're gonna make synthetic rubies. Uh,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the original Gemstone experiment, if you will, Right, That's why
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he called it, uh, basically the Gemstone files and kind
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of in his mind, I don't know, you can kind
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: of see of all the synthetic factors of creating a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: synthetic Gemstone would come together to create this one beautiful, shiny,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: bright object. Right, So that was kind of his vision.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Now I'm not too familiar with Eugene Meyer, but in
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six, this dude, Eugene Meyer buys the Washington
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Post to get our news media other mafia by other papers,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: broadcasting TV, etc. News censorship of all major news goes
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: into effect. So I'm guessing Bruce Roberts think that this
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Eugene Mayor guy is somehow connected to the mafia and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: basically becomes CIA Mockingbird before there was a mockingbird basically
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: controlling the flow of information throughout our media, which back
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: then was basically newspapers and radio. I don't think there's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: much TV going on back in nineteen thirty six. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: could be wrong.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think you are.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Then World War Two happens, of course, right right, very
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: profitable for O NASAs, Rockefeller, the Kennedy's, the Roosevelts, Ig
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Carbon etc. O. Nasais is selling oil, arms and dope
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to both sides of the war. And he just managed
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to not lose a single ship or a man working
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: for him during World War Two, which having the largest fleet,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and that probably bigger than some nations armies or navies
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if you will, you know, kind of operated.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: With the.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: What do you call it, not anonymity but exclusivity. You know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they knew better than to take out his ship, you know, right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: because when you look at all this, whoever controls the
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: flow of fuel oil? You know, during wartime it's going
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to make a lot of money. Also, who's selling guns
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and bullets to both sides? It's going to make a
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: lot of money.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And pretty much you're talking about like U boat possible
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: attacks in the Atlantic Channel, right, which was a major
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: issue in pre America getting into World War Two.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, the the both sides used to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: go after airstrips and roads to highly impede the flow
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of goods and necessary items for countries. Right, if you
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: can control, you know, if you can control you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: blowing up landing strips and blowing up certain roads, then
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: you know, certain parts of certain countries can't get items.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You can't get food in there or whatever goods that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: they needed.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And when you're talking about Europe, there's there's lots of
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: water around it, Joe, and things normally would get delivered
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: not into country, but to the edges of Europe in
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the Middle East via a boats and ships. So for
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: this guy to come out unscathed after World War Two
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: is pretty pretty amazing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's either very lucky or very smart.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Nineteen fifty six, folks, enter Howard Hughes, another gajillionaire. Right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it's alleged tized to the mafia and the CIA as well.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: He's going in the political route. He starts buying up
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: senators governors Nixon, allegedly via a quarter million dollar non
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: repayable loan to Nixon's brother Donald Nixon.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Again, not much has changed really when you think about
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: donors buying up politicians and even current presidents.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, so far this is pretty believable, Joe, it is.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're not in crazy lands yet, No, not yet.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I mean I can, I can buy pretty much everything
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: so far, you know, I agree. In early fifty seven,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Vice President Nixon repays the favor by having IRS grant
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: tax free status to the Huge Medical Foundation sole owned
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: of Hughes Aircraft, creating a tax free, non accountable money
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: funnel or laundry whatever Hughes wants to do. US government
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: also shelved and anti trust suits against Hughes's twa et cetera.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: So again believable. Okay, when you can buy your way
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: into a tax free status.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Especially through foundations, Yeah, that's like one religions.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah yeah. Fast forward to nineteen fifty seven,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Aristolo Nasais carries out a carefully planned event, Joe. He
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: has Howard Hughes kidnapped allegedly from his bungalow at the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Hotel.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've stayed there, have you, Yeah, for a wedding
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: one night.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's all it's old, but it's okay. It's not like
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it's super nice.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: It's got to be getting run down by now a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, But apparently o'nas's bought off Howard Hughes's
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: own men a Chester Davis.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Uh born in Sicily.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. A few days later, a Mayor Meyer Canon
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: of Nevada arranges a fake marriage to Jean Peters to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: explain Hughes's battered and brain damage in the scuffle. He's
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: taken to the Emerald Isle Hotel in the Bahamas, where
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the entire top floor has been rented for thirty days,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and later drugged dragged off to a cell on o'nasa's island. Scorpios.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty cool name for an island.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like James Bond villain type shit.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Scorpios, my island sounds better than an Epstein island.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, little Saint James, welcome to little little Saint Joseph.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Don't do that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Joseph Island.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: My status as a saint would be revoked.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Scorpius, very cool name for an island, though.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, uh.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Onnasas now has a much larger power base in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: US after acquiring much of the Hughes Empire, as well
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: as control over Nixon and other Hughes purchased politicians.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Uh wait, can I stop you there? Yes, So let's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: just think of the scenario of on Nassas drugging and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: kidnapping Howard Hughes. Also another BSD, big swinging D. Right,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that's where this starts for me to get little I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: don't know, I wasn't there, but that would be very aggressive.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Right again, though, Joe, if if you could pull it off,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: all right, think about this for a second to put
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it in today's terms. Okay, okay, say we're doctor evil, right,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: We've got millions of dollars we want to take over,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of control of maybe American media.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Oh look, there's Elon Musk. Okay, who I think we
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: can compare Elon Musk to Howard to use these days? Right,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: He's got his own massive aerospace industry's automobile auto automotive industry.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: He's got more money than God. He's got control of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the American media via x Right. Now, imagine for one second,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: if you could turn some of Elon Musk's most trusted
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: aids against him, to kidnap him in discrete and replace
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk with a double, somebody that looked like him. Okay, okay, Now,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: if you remember, you know, throughout the sixties, towards the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: late fifties and into the sixties, Howard Hughes stopped making
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: public appearances. He would only communicate via certain individuals, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: then you know, eventually went batshit crazy, grew his fingernails
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and hair all long and shit, wore tissue boxes on
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: his feet as shoes, and eventually died. Right, But if
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: what if you could pull off pull that off, if
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you could replace Elon Musk with your own controllable look
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: alike double, that'd be pretty crazy, right, that would.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Be extremely crazy. What did he say? What did he?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Uh uh?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: What happened to fifty five elder rector A Hughes double
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: becomes Howard Hughes. I mean, yeah, it's a crazy theory,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: but is it out of the realm of possibility?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Certainly not, especially if he was quote brain damaged in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the scuffle. That's what I was looking for. So if
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you have this dude, Howard Hughes who was allegedly brain damaged, AKA,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: like at this point, like what you try to impersonate him?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I could.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Or replace him. I can see a situation, although I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that's a reach where that could have happened.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Like if you have your own private island where you
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: can stash this motherfucker, right, you know, and make him
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: sign whatever you wanted him to sign, right.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Right, power of attorney, You.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Control over his entire empire. Yeah, I mean, think of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the power. I mean, you're already a millionaire, but you
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: kidnap and replace a billionaire with an empire big enough
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to rival your own.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Well, the billionaire is replacing the millionaire really right, right?
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, all right, yeah, so now we're going to
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: get to Cuba, right, Uh, not quite yet.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: We're not going quite Oh yeah, we have a So
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven, apparently aristotleo Nasis calls the Appellation
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: meeting to announce to the US mafia had his take
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: king of Howard Hughes and his adoption of Hughes's game
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: plan for acquiring power, buying US senators, congressman, governor's judges
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to take control legally of the US government of nass's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: radio messages to Appellation from a remote Pennsylvania farmhouse intercepted
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: by FBI's Jagger Hoover on the basis of a tip
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: off from Army intelligence guys who weren't in on the plan.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And the Appalachian meeting was with all the big LA
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: mafia bosses that got blown up and they all ended
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: up like scurrying into the woods. I thought it was
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: an upstate New York. Maybe I was wrong. It was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. But yeah, that's that is a documented event
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: in terms.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Of yeah, and I don't know how many times before
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: this or after this that you would have all of
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the heads of the major crime families actually come together
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: in one spot for a meeting. It seems risky, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: to pull that off, you would have to have a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: lot of power. And so basically Aristotle on NASAs he's
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: acquired Hughes and his vast empire, he understands this mafia
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: coast and Ustra network and how important it would be
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: as basically an illegal flow of money. Right because these guys,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: these families, they're spread out all across the United States.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: So if you can get them all on the same
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: page and you can benefit them while they benefit you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a little, you know, you rub my back, I'll rub
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: yours type of thing.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: You're talking about La Kansas City, other places in the Midwest, New.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: York, Philadelphia, yes, and of course down south Florida, Louisiana, Florida.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, Texas, Texas.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So again if this is true, not out
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: of their own possibility and just saying, but he would
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: have been smart enough not to actually be at this meeting,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: but to basically get radioed in, like you know, you'd
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: have all these dons around the table and they Wheeling's
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: big ass nineteen forties radio and you know, you hear
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Aristotle on ess welcome in, gentlemen, uh, you know, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: he would inform them, you know, about everything that's going
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: on in the world and how things are going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: go from here on out, YadA, YadA, YadA. So kind
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of interesting, kind of instertrting because as you know, you know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: there would be no Las Vegas without Howard Hughes Jo
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: and the mafia.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah Meyer Lanski as well, and uh yeah, yeah, who's
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: going to come into this in a little bit.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yep. And in nineteen fifty seven, Joseph Kennedy, which would
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: be the elder John F. Kennedy's father, Yep. He takes
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: JFK and Jackie to see Aristotle on Nassis on his yacht.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He introduced John and reminds of Nassais of an old
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: mafia promise the presidency for Kennedy, and O Nassas allegedly
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: agrees to make this happen. Okay, So in nineteen fifty eight,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: hordes of mafia selected and purchased and supported grass roots
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: candidates sweep into office around the country. In nineteen fifty nine, however,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: that's just when we come to Cuba, Joe YEA. Castro
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: takes over from Dictator Batista, thereby destroying the cozy and
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: lucrative mafia gambling empire run by four O. Nasis by Mayerlanski.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Castro scoops up six million dollars in mafia casino receipts
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: oh NASAs is furious. Vice President Nixon becomes operations chief
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: for CIA, playing Bay of Pigs Invasion otherwise known as
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Operation forty, using CIA Hunt and McCord and Cuban expertise
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to strong arm cops like Martinez Gonzales as well as
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: uh guys like Frank Sturgis Fiorini allegedly. Right, so you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: we know that that this is what a lot of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the mafia was pissed about. That when Castro came to power,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: he pretty much shut down the gambling in Havana, kicked
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: out a lot of these guys from their casinos and.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: A person a few of them Santos.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So fast forward nineteen fifty nine, we have the
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: presidential election battle between Kennedy and Nixon, and no matter
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: who gets elected, basically Aristotle on NASAs wins because he
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: controls both people at this point. Right, But in nineteen
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: sixty JFK gets elected by a cooney hare. The American
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: people are happy, whereas Kennedy's happy, O NASAs is happy,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and the mafia is a static allegedly. So this is
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: when the author of the Gemstone Files allegedly brings his
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: synthetic rubies the original gemstones, to huge aircraft in Los Angeles.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: They steal his rubies the basis for laser beam research
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: laser bombs because of the optical quality of his rubies, Joe,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: they are fantastically magnificent.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Right, talking about like direct energy weapons, right, yeah, yeah,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Quick aside, Uh, I saw one of these. What's that?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I said? If you want to put up what I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: have on the screen, this is the one picture allegedly
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: of mister Roberts.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I hang, I want to think, hold the phone, Hold
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the phone.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: This is the only picture I could find, kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: on a weird website, but it says right here the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: only known photograph of Bruce Roberts. He's fitting Carmen Miranda Well,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I think was some actress that could be.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: She famously wore the banana the fruit u fruit bikini.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: If you've ever seen the woman dancing in a fruit bikini,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: like with a banana on her head or whatever.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't, but I'm gonna look at it after the show.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: From with Jewelry in nineteen fifty two. It was eight
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: years later that Howard Hunt stole his Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, stole his rubies. Yes, you could take it down.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to give the audience a visual if
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you will.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Joe. Oh quick aside, So we're talking
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: about Hughes Aircraft Building in Los Angeles. I was watching
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: one of these reels or TikTok story conspiracy things. You know,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I'm prone to catching all kinds of shit. You know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I'll see some and the conspiracy thing on on on
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Instagram or TikTok or something, and I'll I'll start following
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: that person and then you know, all I get is
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a consistent barrage of conspiracy related reels and everything. But
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: there was one about Hughes Aircraft in Los Angeles. Allegedly
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: there there this was like the West Coast version of
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: of of the mon talk Chair, where there was a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: time travel portal inside the huge aircraft building. Like yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and this date they housed all this crazy technology they
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: would travel to to Mars and the moon and back
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: in time and everything from the huge aircraft building in
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Louisiana or La Not Louisiana Los Angeles.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still there today. This the huge Aircraft
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: building is it's still in Los Angeles. It's a very
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: mysterious building still to this day.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So interesting.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, apparently it's it's built over over top, you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: like goes like you know, one of these buildings, it
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: goes like thirty thirty stories underground and all you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: you know, they back they back engineer UFO technology there
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and all kinds of crazy shit.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we warned you guys were getting in the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole tonight. Yes, we're going down.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: We're going deep.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Let's check out a couple comments before we continue, because
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: we haven't checked them out in like half an hour.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me see, didn't.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Jackie go on a ten day holiday in September sixty
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: three after their Patrick Kennedy died. So yeah, Rob, I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: wanted to uh address this because there is the rumor
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that Jackie was on on Nassas's boat and JFK called
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: her up and told her to leave. This is what
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I read. Again, I have no idea if this is
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: true or not.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because look, you know JFK was doing his own
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: thing on the side with his sei.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he wouldn't mind.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Jackie was doing her own thing on the side, okay,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: which is understandable. And you know, the only basically, I'm
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: sure the only rules don't embarrass us publicly, you know,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: stay out of the public eye doing this shit, you
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: know type of thing. You know, they put on their
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: public happy face, and you know, who knows how they
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: really were behind the scenes. But again, JFK was doing
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: his own thing. She's doing her own thing on this side.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it was in a yacht in Greece with
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Onassis Ulok Padulla says. And I did read this, so
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's making this up or she I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like he says, it sounds like a
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: bad James Bond movie, right, plot, and some of them
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: were allegedly close to the truth.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Joe, what were Lee Harvey
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Oswald's favorite books to check out of the library in
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three, Well.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: He checked out two JFK books, all.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Right, He checked out four or five James Bond novels.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yeah, interesting.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Let me shoo it all.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Just when we're talking about both Bowfinger, Blofeld and Goldfinger.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Nobody has the full file though the Gemstone files are
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: over six hundred pages. Yeah, well, I've read over thousands
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: of handwritten pages. Again, there's there's like this fictionalized thing
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: like Uncle David says a specter, these trans international elites, right,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: people like on Nasis Hughes, you know, all these extremely
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: insanely rich folks. Sally allegedly it started in the sixties,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine when it is allegedly when he
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: started handing out sending some of his gemstone files to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: prominent Americans, allegedly.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Appellation New York. That's what I thought it was. Yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I thought it was.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Tray with the rubies are Forever, Yeah, and diamonds are
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: forever again. Another gemstone reference in James Bond. H interesting.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: They do like to give those subtle references, right.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Sally, if you can create again, not necessarily
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: a fake gemstone, but a synthetically created a lab created
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: basically gemstone that is flawless compared to a natural gemstone
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: or ruby to be used, and that can handle everything
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that you know, a light and laser beam can throw
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: at it and help amplify better than a natural gemstone
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: and for much cheaper. You know, think think moistenite and diamonds, right,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: you know, mois and nite is a is basically a
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: fake diamond, but it's harder than diamond, but not as rare.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Allegedly, Yeah, Ula Cadula says the yacht was called Christina.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's still one of the biggest yacht private yachts. Ever. No,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I believe that's pretty well documented that Jackie was on
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: his yacht. I don't know for sure, but uh, it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: crazy and uh, you know, like we've talked about, not
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: much has changed, right with with oil and elites and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: influence and billionaires and blah blah blah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Musk's yacht I have not, dude, google it real quick.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: It is freaking sick. I mean, I'm sure he has
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: more than one, but there's one in particular that I'm
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: thinking of. But yeah, Southwest then Montalk project is deep
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: deep conspiracy theory. Yes, yes, well hello, and yes, Sally,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: it does sound effing bonkers, but the reality of this
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: world that we live in is pretty fucking bonkers at times.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: If you really step out of your reality and start
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to look at all the crazy shit that's really going on.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: In the world.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, you'll be amazed.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did find a picture of it. It does
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: look like very Tesla. Eh. The Google AI overview says
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk does not publicly own a personal super yacht,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: often stating he prefers to spend time on land that
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: he has been photograph vacationing on chartered vessels like the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Zeus in Greece. Recent recent reports of a seven hundred
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: million dollars Tesla yacht are speculative, appearing in digital renderings
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and YouTube videos rather than official announcements.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: So I mean the one I saw was made out
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: of like the same material as a stealth bomber. Yeah
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: it's black, Yeah, radar blind to radar and all kinds
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: of crazy shit. But bulletproof and everything.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Now. But yeah, and that's the problem with things today,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Like you never know what the hell is true or
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: not right? What's AI? What isn't? What's misinformation? What's clickbait? Like?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, so back to the timeline here. JFK is
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: like sixty they stole the dudes rubies right, yep. And
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: one of the eleven possible sources for one of his
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: ingredients involved in the Gemstone experiment was in the Golden
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Triangle area, okay, which is over in Indo China or Indonesia,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: and a lot of the dope heroin trade was coming
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: out of the Golden Triangle back then, a lot of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: money was going through there. On Nasas's was heavily involved
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: in the Golden Triangle dope trade. Robert's investigation revealed the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Onnasas Hughes connection kidnap and switch. The gemstones and synthetic
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: rubies and sapphires with accomplished histories. Gemstone papers were sold
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: or given away to constolar offices in return for information.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: So again, think Joe, if you could, if you can
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: create synthetic gemstones and sell them for a shit pile
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: of money, that's pretty crazy.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Right right, synthetic as in not really one hundred percent.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Real, correct as in man made? Yeah, as in cheap right.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You know apparently there was eleven ingredients to make a gemstone,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: and you know you can mass produce these things and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: sell them all throughout the world as gemstones for jewelry
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: things like that.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not that dissimilar from these days. You
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: have those lab grown diamonds, right like if yeah, by
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: by my girlfriend an engagement ring, although she might already
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: have one. But that's an old European cut, right, Uh,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: it's different than the lab grown ones. So I think
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it's a good analogy.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, do you how much costume jewelry
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: has been sold? You know, these big honking synthetic gemstones,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: And even if you're not selling them as real, I mean,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: even if you're selling them as fake, you can still
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: make money by selling fake ones as fake ones, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: real ones is fake or fake ones is real ones?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: So crazy. In nineteen sixty one, old man Kennedy Joseph
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: has a stroke, ending his control over John and Bobby.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: The boys decide to rebel against their NASA's control. Why well,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the inter mafia struggle perhaps a dim hope of restoring
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: this country to its mythical integrity. They began committing mafia
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: no nos by arresting Wally Bird owner or Air Thailand,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: who had been shipping on NASA's hair win out of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: the Gold and Triangle and Laos Cambodi in Vietnam. This
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: guy was under contract with the CIA. Air Opium arrested
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: teamster mafia Jimmy Hoffe and put him in jail. Declared
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: the seventy three million and forged Hughes land Leans deposited
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: with the San Francisco Bank of America as security for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: the TWA judgment against Hughes to be what they are
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: as actual forgeries. So basically, the Kennedys are starting to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: fuck and fuck back with Hughes on nassas he's messing
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: with the drug trade and Vietnam Leos Cambodia. Yeah, allegedly,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: so you can see why this would piss off ARISTOTLEO
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Nasis right aka Doctor Evil. So in nineteen sixty one
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: we have the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Of course, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Howard Hunt record, CIA beatissas, Cubans and Mafia are angry
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: about JFK's lack of enthusiasm to oust Castro. Mafia Nassis
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: has his right hand man, Hughes's top eight former FBI
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: and CIA guy Robert Mayhew who you may have heard
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: of before, Joe Yes, hire and train and MafA assassination
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: team to get Castro. The team of a dozen or
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: so includes Johnny Roselli and Jimmy the Weasel Pradleiano expert
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: mafia hitman, assisted by CIA hunting McCord and others. This
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: was reported recently by Jack Anderson, who gets a lot
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: of his tips from a friend named Frank Sturgis, also
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: on the Castro assassination team. The team tries five times
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: to kill Castro Castro with everything from long range rifles
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: to apple pie with sodium morphate in it, yet Castro survives.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Joe Yes, yes, oh boy, but yeah, Robert Mayhew and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Johnny Roselli, you know we hear about these guys. Were
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: you able to find anything about out about these other
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: mafia guys?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Joe so I, I, uh, when we get to uh.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Uh Fratiano, then Pratt Prattilano.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we got to Fratiano.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Yet, simm the Weasel Prattlano. Sorry, all these damn names
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: sounds the same.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they're the same. Jimmy, according to Rock,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Fratiano, whose full name was Aladni James Jimmy the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: re Weasel Fratiano. Okay, we gotta get this was an
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Italian born American mobster best known as high ranking member
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: of the La Los Angeles crime family, also called the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: La Mafia. He briefly served as his acting boss in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: the mid seventies before becoming one of the highest ranking
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: mafia figures to turn government informant. He was born in Naples, Italy.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I was just there. He immigrated to the US and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: grew up in Cleveland's Little Italy. Started crime as a boy.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Blah blahlah blah blah. Witness once yelled something like quote
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: look at the weasel run during a chase, and the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: nickname Jimmy the Weasel stuck. Police even put this on
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: his record, mistaking it for an alias. He had a
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: long criminal record, starting in his youth in like the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties and going to the nineteen forties. He turned
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: foremant in nineteen seventy seven on extortion charges. Fratiano decided
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: to cooperate with the FBI rather than rest being killed
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: by his own organization. So we'll get to him in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a second. I think that's we covered the main parts.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: And Joe please welcome in Assassination Archives Andre aka Allen
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Dale into the mix. What's up, Allen? Hey, Allen, Andre,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: what's up?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: We're going down the rabbit hole here?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: A serious campaign is credit damage of NASA's and his
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: business holdings is certainly what it sounds like. For sure
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: was initiated in favor of a NASA's adversary Stavros near Narcos.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: The first operation was authorized at the highest levels of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: the Eisenhower administration.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, so actually we're all I have some documents on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: that right now.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: If you want to get into it, might as well.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: What a time than now, I know, so we can
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: get Allen's.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Allen's job is a knowledge hot knowledge on us. Yes,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: let me bring this back up, op asteroid coming, see you,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: fiddle folk. Welcome in, fiddle folk.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Oh man, where did this go? Oh?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: And Joe? Rest in peace?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Africa Bombarda who passed away this week.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I do not know who that is? I'm sorry, can you?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Of course you don't?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Is it before my time?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Yes? Very prominent, one of the Four Four, one of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the four runners and fathers of the American hip hop movement.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Oh came out in nineteen eighty two, responsible for a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: lot of early hip hop hits and the Zulu nation
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Africa Bombarda rest in peace?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: All right, definitely rest in peace. Let me pull this
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: up as I figure this out here, Yes, figure this out.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Let's see. This is about as you could put it up, Rob,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: you got it. This is about on Nassas and kind
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: of the oil wars that he was involved in. I
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: think we'll skip this for now as we go to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Mayhew and Newarkos. So Mayhew, this is I believe it's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: church committee. Mayhew was used by Nearkos against Onasis in
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: connection with the business feud, and Mayhew used an audio
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: device in the course of this activity. There is no
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: problem in subcommittee questions on this particular point, as the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: agency did not participate in any way with the bugging. However,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: the agency was at the time in a comic complicated
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: relationship with Arcos and his feud with Onasas, which involved
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: an attempt by the latter to monopolize oil shipments from
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Again, we talked about kind of the oil
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: wars at the beginning of the show. British shipping interests
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: also opposed a Nassas, and they and New Yorkers employed Mayhew.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: The US government also appoyed opposed Onasas's aims, and the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Department of State requests with the agency's assistants in providing
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: communications facilities to mister Mayhew and his overseas investigators. Remember,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: he was kind of like a private investigator. Of course,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: we always joke about how everyone's like a private investigator, right,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Jack Martin. You know, the Onassis plan was never consummated
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and Mayhew was at no time employed or directed by
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the agency. Okay, that's what they say. Now we have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: a hold on I wanted to Okay, So this is
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna skip the other part. This is I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: believe Church committee as well wire tapping surveillance of Aristotle Onassis.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: So in July fifty four, Mayhew was hired by British
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: shipping Interests sponsored by Stavros Niarkos. During his employment for
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: New Yorko's, Mayhew conducted a surveillance of Aristotle Onassas in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: New York City. CIA documents indicate that Mayhew stated that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: he had technical coverage wiretap of Onassis's New York apartment,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: and that he used one of his employees, John Frank,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to perform electronic surveillance. The CIA documents also indicate that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Mayhew hired a technician by the name of Leon to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: perform this surveillance, and that the CIA may have, in
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: quotations been given some of the information may have right
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: received by Mayhew from this technical coverage Mayhew, can.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: I can't remember Leon's an interesting random name there.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Can provide an explanation for exactly what he did and
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: what connection he had with the agency in this venture
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: against on asses B procuring females and producing films of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: foreign leaders for the CIA. Again, Rob, not much has changed,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this is true. May He was used by the CIA
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven, fifty eight, and fifty nine on
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: three different projects involving leaders of foreign countries ie heads
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: of state. The first project was entitled Project Happy Days.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: That's a great say happy Days, That's a.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Great operational name man, and occurred in nineteen fifty seven.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: In this project, Mayhew was requested by the CIA to
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: rent a movie studio in California and make up an
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: actor to look like a foreign head of state. Mayhe
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: was to produce a film with actor and actress and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: an actress simulating an intimate relationship. The CIA, then, through
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: its technical division, provided a backtock for the film which
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: would make the completed film appear to be a film
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: of the foreign leader having an affair in Russia. The
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: agency was then to distribute the film in leader's country
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: to embarrass him and to make him angry at the Soviets.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: CIA documents indicate that while the film was completed and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: sent to the Office of Security. You can't make this
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: stuff up, man, it was never distributed abroad. The second
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: project which the agency asked Mayhew to complete was entitled
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Project Star. In this nineteen fifty eight project, Mayhew was
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: requested to and did obtain a woman to send overseas
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: to try and cultivate the same foreign leader about which
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the film was made.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, just to compare that to today, right, So, say, Joe,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: if you had if you had somebody that that kind
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: of looked like Vladimir Putin for instance, right right, and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: you put him in a compromising situation movie, shall we say,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: with another another man perhaps, or an animal or h
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: a large lady. Uh, and you send it to him
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: and said, look, you know you're gonna do what we
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: want you to do, or we're gonna release this thing.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: And he could say, well, that's not me, and he said,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: well it looks that, it looks it looks a lot
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: like you. People would believe it, whether it's he or.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Not, right, especially especially when you consider AI these days.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now anybody can say, well that's that's Ai, that's fake, right,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: But back in the fifties and sixties, right, you had
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: to go the the the uh the real route.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: You know, the Stanley Kubrick.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then here we are sixty years later and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: they fake in the moon landing again.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: Oh man, uh yeah, it's funny because they're like, oh,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: we're not going to be able to communicate you with
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: you and like you have.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Nixon like communicating with him on the phone in the Oval.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: But we digress, We digress.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: So President talking to you from the White House. How
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: are you guys? Good?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: So this is also I believe Church Committee. They interviewed
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: mister Robert Mayhew and they go, now, for what period
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: of time did you have a tap on mister Onassa's phone.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Mister Mayhew, I did not have a tap on mister
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: NASA's phone. For what period of time was there a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: tap on mister NASA's phone which you contracted to have
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: put there by having mister Frank put it there on
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: behalf of or with the complete knowledge of the United
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: States government That tap was on the phone, I believe
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: maybe eighteen or nineteen days. So just stop right here.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: He says, we didn't I didn't put a tap on
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: the phone. But there was a tap for about eighteen
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: or nineteen we had.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: A tap put on the phone. There's a difference, Joe.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: We didn't have to see. I told me to do it,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: so I had it done.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Mister Madigan, we had lengthy discussions about this prior to today,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: of course, probably off record. Can you state briefly without
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: going into too much detail, of course, what the basic
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: assignment was and how blah blah blah blah blah. So
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I found it an interesting FBI document. This isn't from
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, right, so this is the year that
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Jackie married ONASA in October. RFK was killed in June.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: The author of the letter has not signed his name
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: nor given his address, which is, you know, a little
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: suss but it's postmarked in France l'havare Lahere. I'm saying
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: that we're during it. But he asked what the quote,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: gentlemen of the Federal police are waiting for, and why
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: do you not intelligently investigate and arrest the assassins of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the Kennedy brothers. If the murders of the Kennedy brothers
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: were thoroughly analyzed, the analysis would reveal that they were
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: committed out of quote pure interest and ambition of a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: dirty woman and prostitute named jack Lee Boovia, later Kennedy
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and now on Nassas. It is known that she actually
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: did not like her husband Kennedy. There was even question
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: of their divorce at a certain time. It is natural
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: that a woman married to a statesman as important as
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Kennedy accept an invitation for a long cruise. This is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: where we get to the cruise rob on a yacht
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: of Onasas. She accepted the invitation after she delivered a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: stillborn baby, right, Patrick, So let's take this down now.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: But uh in crazy craziness happening here. Uh Now, I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: don't think Onasas was some type of like mastermind. I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: think he was probably.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Dirty, dirty as dirty af that's what we call him. Right,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: But some Jeffrey Epstein of his time only instead of
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: track is traving children and blackmailing everybody. Well you know,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: he was uh making his money in a little different ways. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: but I'm still a bad guy.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Right And if you if you think about it, and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: like a re type of way or a logical way,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: if you're a billionaire, one of the richest guys on earth. Yeah,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you might not like Kennedy, but are you going to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: risk your freedom and your wealth on taking him out
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: or would you just get back at him at other
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: ways like via oil economic.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Again, to correlate it to modern times, you remember, not
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: too long ago, Donald Trump brought Elon Musk into his administration, right,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: and then of course they had a falling out. Elon
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Musk has this mysterious black eye. He looks like you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: got the shit kicked out of him, and he's kind
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: of standing behind Trump like, you know, kind of withdrawing,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: not really saying much with a black eye. And then
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: not long after that he's out right he's out of
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: the administration, and uh he says some mysterious things on
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: X and then you know this this whole thing like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Trump is making a left turn, like complete uncharacteristic of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: what he's always said and campaigned on and everything. I mean,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: did you see he came out and was blasting freaking
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carls and Alex Jones Candae.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I saw yeah, I saw it. I saw it.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I I you know, he he's he's just gone off
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: the rails man.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane, like and everybody says, oh, this is
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: take everybody's mind off of the Epstein files, and blah
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: blah blah. I don't know what's going on here.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: It's a negotiating tactic. He's playing three D chests. No,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: he's just sucking uh. And coming from someone who voted
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: for him, I'm to say, and I would take a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: pack if I could not that it matters in my
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: super liberal state, but it's it's he's lost it. Anyways,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: we don't want to go on this political rant. Mister
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Allen Dale says Leon was probably a guy named Bernard
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Spindle seven minutes ago. Interesting, I don't know him. And
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: by the way, mister Dale, I have a message to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: send you. Maybe i'll do it after the show. I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: want to ask you something. But yeah, this this whole
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Nasis thing is crazy, man, It's and it goes even
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: more off the rails here as we get to.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just to get in the nineteen sixty three.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm saying, like we're almost two hours in
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and like we're like a third of the way through
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: this document, so we might really have to I might
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: even be like a fourth of the way through this document.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Actually, I say Look, we'll get as much ken as
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: we can, and like I said, Part two will be
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: the continuation of all this. But like you said, there's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: so much to get into here. So we're up to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: sixty three members of the Castro assassination team arrested at
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Lake Pontre train in Louisiana by Bobby Kennedy's FBI Justice Boys.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Pissed off and NASAs stops trying to kill Castro, says
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm done. I screw you guys, I'm going home.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: He changes his target and goes for the head, who
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: is JFK. According to a Nassas welch on his mafia deal,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: they got him elected, and JFK sets up the Group
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: of forty aka Operation forty to fight O Nassas, not
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: necessarily Castro. It's interesting by August of nineteen sixty three,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: to excuse me, two murders had to occur before the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: murder of JFK, or people would understand the situation and
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: might talk.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure who these two people are, Joe, But
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: that brings us to Senator Key Fover, whose Crimes Commissioned
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: investigations had uncovered a nineteen thirty two deal between Onnasas, Kennedy, Meyer, Landscape, Roosevelt,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: et cetera. So senator asked is Keith Folver planned a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: speech on the Senate floor denouncing mafia operations. Instead, he
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: ended up eating a piece of apple pie laced with
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: sodium morphate aka rat poison, and had a sodium morphate
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: induced heart attack on the Senate floor. On the Senate floor,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: which is a little sus.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine like a sitting senator today, like being poisoned
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: on the Senate floor.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be like somebody's trying to taking out Luna
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: on the s floor, you know, for looking into the something,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, the hell man Philip Graham, an editor
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: of the Washington Post, had married Katherine Meyer, Eugene Meyer's daughter,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: the owner of the Washington Post, who had inherited the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Washington Post and media empire. Graham put together the Kennedy
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Johnson ticket and was Kennedy's buddy in the struggle with
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: on Nassis. According to Jimstone, Katherine Meyer Graham bribed some
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: psychiatrists who certify that phil was insane. He was allowed
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: out of the nuthouse for a weekend and died of
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: a shotgun blast to the head in his home in Washington.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Death ruled a suicide. Oh my god.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was let out of the Nutthouse for the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: weekend and died of a shockup.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Apparently this is one of the murders that had to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: happen before JFK was killed, or else people would know
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: what the hell was going on. Philip Graham, then editor
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: of the Washington Post. And the next one is a
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: DM in Vietnam. So fast forward to November first, sixty three.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: The hit on JFK was supposed to take place in
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: true mafia style, a triple execution together with DM and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: New and Vietnam. DM and New got theirs as scheduled,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: and uh, JFK decided not to go to Chicago to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: get his the last minute.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Right, it's because I was the around the date of
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the alleged Chicago second Okay.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah. On NASA's had invited Jackie for a cruise
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: on the Christina, where she was when JFK got tipped
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: off that big O. That's so NASA's planned to wipe
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: him out. JFK called Jackie on the yacht from the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: White House, pissed off, got off that goddamn yacht if
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: you have to swim, I don't care. Just get off
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the yacht. He canceled his appearance at the football stadium
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: in Chicago, where his CIA Mafia assassination team was poised
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: for the kill. Jackie stayed on board the yacht said
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: fuck you. Jack descended the gang plank. A few days
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: later on Onnaza's arm in Turkey to impress the bay,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Mustafa Madam new in the US bitterly remarked, whatever has
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: happened in Vietnam. One of the assassination teams was picked
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: up in Chicago with a rifle and quickly released by
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: the police. Three weeks later, that mafia's alternate and carefully
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: arranged execution plan went into effect. JFK was killed in Dallas.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: A witness who recognized pictures of some of the people
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: arrested in Billy Plaza having been in Chicago three weeks earlier,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: told Black Panthers Fred Hampton and Clark.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Oh Man, we're starting to go off the rails here.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the JFK murder on Nassas and Hughes's man
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Robert Mayhew, who he just talked about, reassigned the CIA
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Mafia Castro assassination team to the murder of JFK Adding
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Eugene hal Braiding, a third mafia hit man from the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Denver mafia, Amadon's family. Two months earlier, Braiding, on parole
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: after a series of crimes, applied for a new driver's license,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: explaining to the California DMV that he had decided to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: change his name to Jim Braiding. Braiding got his California
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: parole the first time to look things over, and the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: second time when JFK was scheduled for the Dallas trip,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: which brings us to Lee Harvey. Oswall's CIA, with carefully
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: planned links to both the ultra right and to the Communists,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: was designed as the new Patsy. He was supposed to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: shoot Governor Colinelly, and he did. Allegedly, each of the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: four shooters were Oswald, Braiding, Friday, Ono, and Roselli had
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: a timer and a backup man. Backup men were supposed
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: to pick up the spent shells and get rid of
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: the guns. Timers would give the signal to shoot. Hunt
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: and McCord were there to help. Sturgis was not in Dallas,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: he was in Miami. Allegedly, Frediano shot from a second
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: story window of the Dow Text Building. He apparently used
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: a handgun from the second floor of the Dow Text Building.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: He is an excellent shot with a pistol, though, Joe,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Frediano and his backup man were arrested
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: and driven away from the Dow Text Building in a
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: police car and released without being booked. The Dallas Police
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: office is in the Dow Text Building, which is not
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: a true statement, Bruce.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Robert, Right. The one thing that the one thing that's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: interesting about this is Fratianos, as we went over him
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: very briefly on my quick Wikipedia search for what that's worth. Yeah,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: was an acting boss at some point of the La
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: crime family. And we know Jim Braiden. Jim Braiden came
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: from La. But why would an acting boss be taking shots?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: That doesn't check with me. Yeah, and especially when you're
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: talking about a pistol.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: But uh again, Boombada, which made me think of Africa
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Bombada who passed away but in a different story, says braiding. Now,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: how did he know about braiding in the early seventies,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: probably from the Garrison investigation. I believe Garrison was hot
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: on Braiding and Braiden trying to get him extradited extradity
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: from California. Yeah, yeah, yes, all right, So back to
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: the action. In Daily Plaza, we have Roselli shooting Kennedy once,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: hitting the right side of his head and blowing his
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: brains out with a rifle from behind the fence in
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: the grassy No area. Roselli and his timer went down
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: a man hole behind the fence and followed the sewer
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: line away from Daily Plaza. The third point of triangulated
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: ambush was supplied by Eugene Braiding, shooting from Kennedy's left
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: from a small pergoda and Daly Plaza across the street
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: from the grassy knoll, which would be the south No.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Braiding missed because Rosselli and Fridiano's shot had just hit
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Kennedy in the head from the right, in front and rear. Simultaneously,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: braiding shot hit the curb and ricocheted off. Braiding was
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: photographed on the scene stuffing his gun under his coat.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: Allegedly wore a big leather hat, the hat band marked
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: with large conspicuous xes.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Why would you do that? Do what mark your hat
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: with large conscious exes?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: That's just the kind of haty, That's just the kind
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: of fedora he was wearing that day, Joe, all right,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: all right, Uh, it's interesting, but who they all knows?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Police had been instructed to let anyone with an ex
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: marked hat band through the police lines. So that's why
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: he was wearing.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, the conspiracy grills larger.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, some may have been told that they
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: were secret service. After his shot, Braiding ditched the gun
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: with a backup man and walked up the street towards
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: the Dow Text Building. The sheriff's rushed up to Braiding,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: assuming he was secret service, and told him he had
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: just seen a man come out of the book depository
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: and jump in the station wagon. Braiding was uninterested and
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: then walked to the Dow Text Building to make a
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: phone call. There, he was arrested by another deputy sheriff,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: showed his Jim Braden driver's license and was released without
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: being booked. Oswald, which brings us to him, shot conly
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: twice from the school book depository. He split from the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: front door. His backup man was supposed to take the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: rifle out of the building, or so Oswald thought. Instead,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: he hit it behind some boxes where it would be
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: found later. Three men dressed as tramps picked up the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: spence shells from day Plaza. One was he Howard Hunt.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Allegedly there we go. Then they drifted over to an
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: empty box car sitting on the railway spur between the
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Noah area and waited. A Dallas officer ordered two Dallas
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: cops to go over to the box car and pick
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: up the tramps. Three tramped. The three tramps were paraded
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: around Daily Plaza to the police department in the dal
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Text building, which again it wasn't in the dal Text building,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: but it was closed. They were held there until the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: alarm went out to pick up Oswald and they were
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: released without being booked. And all ten men were arrested
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: immediately after the shooting and all were released soon after.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: None were booked. Not a word about their existence is
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: mentioned in the Warren report. But wait, there's more. Joe.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Regarding Lee Harvey Oswald, Officer Tippett was dispatching his police
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: car to the Oak Cliff section where Oswald had entered
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: a room. Tippett may have met Oswald on the street.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: He may have been supposed to kill Oswald, but something
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: went wrong. Tippett was shot by two men using revolvers.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: The witness Domingo Benavides, who used Tippet's police car radio
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: to report we have a shooting here, may have been
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: one of the men who shot him. So there's a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: lot of facts wrong here. Okay, Benavides was not the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: radio man. Okay, that was TF Bally right right. I
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: don't think Benavides got out of his truck. He may
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: have after the alleged shooters left, but I don't think
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: he ever said there were two shooters. But this guy
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: is saying that Benavides may have been one of the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: shooters because they attempted to take out his lookalike brother
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: shortly after the Tippet murder and they thought it was him.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: All right, that did allegedly happen, I mean his brother
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: being shot.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. A shoe store manager, wait.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, can you go back to this thing?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: A Domingo Benavides appears in connection with the MLK shooting. Also,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: is this true?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: You can't make this shit up? Jough.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Apparently you can now, So let's get to Johnny Brea.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the shoe store manager told the theater cashier Julie Postal. Yeah,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: that a suspicious looking character. It sneaked in without pain
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: fifteen cops and FBI charged out to the movie theater
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: to look for the guy who had sneaked in. Oswald
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: had a pistol that wouldn't fire. It may have been
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: anticipated that the police would shoot the cop killer for
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: resisting arrest, but since that didn't happen, the police brought
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Oswald out for a small time mafia jack Ruby to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: kill two days later. Then we get to the mafia
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: halfa financed Cuban hotel in Dallas aka the Cabana Motor Lodge,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: where Brading was staying, where Ruby had gone, okay, the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: night before the murder, to meet his buddy Lawrence Myers.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Right. That's also where Marita Lorenz also was alleged to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: be staying.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't know that all right, hotel? Okay. The rest,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: as they say, is history. O NASA's was confident of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: his control over the police, the media, the FBI, the CIA,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: the secret service in the US judicial system, that he
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: had JFK murdered before the eyes of the entire nation,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: then systematically bought off, killed off, frightened off all witnesses,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: and had the evidence destroyed, put a seventy five year
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: seal of secrecy over the entire matter cover up participants,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: including many Gerald Ford on the Warrant Commission and next
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Nixon recommendation CIA at Tony attorney Leon Jaworski of the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: CIA and Anderson Foundation representing Texas before the commission to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: see that the fair name of Texas was not besmirched
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: by the investigation. You have CIA Dallas Chief John McCone,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: wh his assistant Richard Hilmes, and a passal of police, FBI,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: news media, et cetera. So that is the grand conspiracy,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: at least when it comes to the JFK assassination.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, there's there's a lot there.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: There is a lot there.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know, it's it's a lot for me.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: It's entertaining for sure. We definitely got some good laughs
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: off it. I don't know how much more of it, Rob,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: you want to do tonight or how much you want
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: to do on part two. Members only your call, because
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: we are like literally maybe a third not even through
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: this two hours in. As we get into the get.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Through some of these major players, where are they nows
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: We'll okay, okay, sounds good.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: We'll cut it before we get to chap equitic.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's when it really goes off the rails.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: But continue, So.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: This next part Roberts explains what happened to the players. Okay,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Johnny Rosselli alleged le received part of his pay for
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: the head shot on JFK in the form of a
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars finding fee for bringing
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Hughes Oh really on Nasis to Las Vegas in nineteen
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: sixty seven. Jimmy de Weasel Fridayano's payoff included one hundred
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: and nine thousand dollars.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: How'd they come up with that number? One hundred and
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: nine thousand.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a non repayable loan from the San
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: Francisco National Bank, whose president was Joe Aliado Aledo Yeah,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Aleano Yeah. Credit authorization for the series of loans from
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: sixty one to sixty five came from Aliado and a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: high teamster official. Dun and Bradstreet noted this transaction in amazement,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: listing how friday Ano could explain so much credit as
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: the only known title listed in dun and brad Street
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: was mafia executioner.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: And I believe he was played by someone in the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Irishman by Martin Scorsese a few years ago.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Fridayano went around for years bragging about it.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: There, I'm Jimmy Fradiano, mafia executioner. Nice to meet you.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what they would do.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. A bank vice president told the whole story
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: to the California Crime Commission, where Al Harris, who later
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: shot off his mouth a little too much, was heart attacked.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: When last seen March nineteen seventy five, the weasel Fridaiano
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: was testifying before the San Francisco Grand Jury to his
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: participation with East Coast Mafia Tony Remain in the Sounoy
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: golf Course swindle, which cost San Francisco somewhere between one
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in non payable loans to start a
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: trucking company in the Imperial Valley, where he engaged a
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: lot more swindling involving US government, where they explained the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: MafA he is doing business directly with the US government now,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: which is not almal possibility.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: No. I mean you go back to World War Two
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: when they were guarding the docks in New York City,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: to the castro plots. I mean they were doing business
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: with the US government.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: So it's a source of black funding. You see what
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yeah, Like, you know, they're allotted so much
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: by our government. They're funded by but then they also
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: supplement their income from doing shady shit like drug dealing,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: like dealing with a mob, arms arms dealing. I mean, look,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I ran contra ship that was going on, uh, you
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: know with the CIA and Air America and you know
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: bringing in these drugs and the yea, you know, the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: government is horrible. But I digress. Let's see, Okay. Friday
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Ana was killed in seventy five. Braiding was questioned by
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: the FBI two months after his arrest and released in
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Dallas as part of the Warren Commission's determination to leave
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: no stone unturned and its quest for truth about the
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: JFK assassination. In spite of the fact that Braiding was
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: a known criminal with an arrest record dating back to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: twenty years, the FBI reported that Braiding knew nothing whatsoever
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: about the assassination, which is basically true. What happened to
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: the Warrant Commission really didn't pursue the whole Braiding lead
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: at all. They addressed it, but didn't pursue right. Braiding
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: would become a charter member of the LaCosta count the
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: LaCosta Country Club, Mafia Haven near San Clemente. It's a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: clever name, which, by the way, Jagger Hoover was taking
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: his boyfriend Clyde Tolten to. He also became a runner
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: for the skim money and the NASIS slash hughes Las
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Vegas casinos to launder the money through a NASA's Swiss
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: bank system, which believable. Yeah, I mean, you gotta have
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: somewhere to laundra aw this dirty money, Joe from Vega.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Switzerland is always a good option.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Which brings us to Gerald Ford of the Warrant Commission
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: went on to become president by appointment of Nixon. Then
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: in danger of even further and more serious exposure, from
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: which position of trust, Ford pardon Nixon one month later
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: for any and all crimes that he may have committed.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: That covers quite a lot, but Ford is good at
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: covering things up. Macone, the head of the CIA, went
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: on to become the member of the ITT Board of Directors,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: sitting right next to Francis L. Dale, no relation to
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Alane of Creep or the committee to re elect the President.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that acronym bringing.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Us to Richard Hilmes. Macone's assistant ultimately has been rewarded
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: with the post of CIA director and overall dirty bastard.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Richard Hilmes. Leon Jaworski, the CIA attorney, became the Watergate prosecutor,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: which is ironic, replacing Cox who was getting too warm.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Jaworski turned in a startling performance in our quote government
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: as theater unquote, the honest, conscientious investigator who uncovered not
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: a bit more than he had to and managed to
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: steer everybody away from the underlying truth of the Watergate
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: break in a doctor Red Duke, the man who dug
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: two bullets out of Connolly and saved his life, was
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: shipped off to a hospital in Afghanistan by the grateful CIA.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: I never heard of that before either.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Wow. Jim Gason, New Orleans, DA, who tried to get
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Eugene Braiding out of LA but used one of Brady's
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: other alias as Eugene Bradley by mistake, had his witness
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: his witnesses shot out from under him, and was framed
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: on charges of bribery and extortion. You know the whole
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: airport scene when Garrison goes to LA and you know,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: the old tapping his foot in the bathroom type thing,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: trying to you know, yeah, trying to get Garrison to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: use the glory hole in the bathroom. After FK's death,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: O NASA's quickly established control over Lyndon Johnson through fear.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: On the trip back to Washington, Johnson was worn by
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: radio relaid from an Air Force base. There was no conspiracy.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Oswald was alone an assassin. Get it, Linden. Otherwise Air
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Force might have Air Force one might have an unfortunate
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: accident on the flight back to Washington.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was what is in the what was it
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the fourteen minute gap?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe so?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe so, I'm being sarcastic, but yeah.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Who in the hell?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: And I do you want to sum up your points
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: on it? I got one more thing after this, Joe, No,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: And then we'll check a couple of comments and we'll
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: save the rest report too.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: Let me share this thing.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, what do we got here? Sir?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: A top secret dinar whatever. This is a minimum distribution
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: reproduction prohibited without prior NSA approval. This is an NSA
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: document dated November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three, and it
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: is redacted heavily.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as to who it was sent to and who
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: sent Yeah, but.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: We have it here says the assassination of the Great
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: President Kennedy was a shock to Palestinians. Please convey our
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: sincere sympathy to the Kennedy family and the people of
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: the United States. Behind the mysterious crime is a carefully
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: plotted Zionist conspiracy. Review of the secret and overt Zionist
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: criminal conspiracy against Lord Knowing Bernadotte, the Egyptian and German scientists,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: as well as the terrorist method adopting kidnapping, Richmond and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: many others, provides the evidence to question the position of
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: their secret organization. The late president was likely to win
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: the coming president's the elections without supplicating the Zionist sympathy
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: or seeking the Jews votes. Aware of the fact that
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: their influence and power in the United States are based
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: upon the Jews votes, the Zionists murdered the courageous President
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: who was about to destroy the legend of theirs. His
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: assassination is a warning to the rest of the honorable
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: leader reveal their conspiracy to the supreme judgment of the world.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Be careful you are the hope of the Palestinians.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: So so you know how when we got a bunch
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: of these newly released files, this was in twenty five, right,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are redacted based on different intelligence services.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: This seems to me that it was from like a
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Palestinian or Egyptian related intelligence service, if you will, I mean,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: just based on the context. And like I said, all
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: this was redacted, whether it be Israel, whether it be France,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: whether it be m I six, like, all of that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: stuff was redacted.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: Yep. All right, so we're gonna leave you with this.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna blow some minds right about now with some
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: shit you probably never heard of before, but allegedly this
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: is all true. One I'm about to tell you, Joe,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: I attention everybody. Okay, this is weird. Yeah, when we're
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: talking about complex conspiracies. Okay, it doesn't get much better
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: than this. Joe, consider this for a moment, folks. Abraham's
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: a Pruder, okay, in his White Russian affiliation, Abraham's a
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Pruder was a thirty second degree Mason, an active member
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: of two CIA proprietary organizations, one being the Dallas Council
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: on World Affairs and the crusade for a Free Europe.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: These two organizations were CIA backed domestic operations in Dallas,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: whose membership included Abraham's A Pruder, Clinton Murchison, D. H.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Bird, owner of the TSPD right.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Yep Merchants and was the owner of the Dallas Cowboys
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: at the time, Judge Sarah Hughes who swore in LBJ
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: on the plane, George Mornshield Okay George Bush, Neil Mallin.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: H. L.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Hunt, and Dimitri Van de Mornshield George George's brother right.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Who worked for I believe was Radio Free Europe.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So going back to nineteen fifty three
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: and fifty four, a woman named Jean Legone worked side
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: by side was the pruiter at a high end clothing
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: design firm called Artists of Dallas. Jean Legone designed the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: clothing and the Pruter cut the patterns and the material
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: for her. Incidentally, Abraham's the Pruter's obituary misstates the date
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: in the year that he departed n Artists of Dallas,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: incorrectly citing in his nineteen forty nine The correct year
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: was actually nineteen fifty nine, the same year that his
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: partner in designed Jean Legonne became known as Jean Legone
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: de Mornshield when she married George de Mornshield. Lynda Bean
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: Johnson's personal secretary Marie Femmer, who flew back to Washington
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: on Air Force one with LBJ, just happens to be
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: the daughter of Olga Fehmer, currently living in Tyler, Texas.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Olga Fehmer also worked at Nartists with Zapruter and Jean
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: de Mornshield or Jean de Mornshield Okay. Olga Fehmer, the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: mother of lbj's personal secretary, Marie, worked closely with the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: man who would later capture the assassination on film, Abraham
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: the Pruter, George de Morrenshield's future wife, Jean Legon, also
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: worked at Nartists in Dallas Blah blah blah uh. The
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Oswald spent much time together in the Soviet Union during
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: their courtship. Much, if not most, of that time was
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: spent in the city of Mintzk, which is where George
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: Moore Owrenshield and his brother Dimitri grew up after fleeing
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: the place of their birth, MOSiR, which was also ly
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: mistaken thought to have been part of Poland. Abraham's a
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Pruderus coworker Jean Legone and her husband George de Mornshield
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: introduced Lea Osweald to the daughter of one of de
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: Mornshield's close friends, Ruth Payne. Ruth Payne's husband Michael, whose
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: stepfather Arthur Young, collaborated with none of the Linda Bank
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Johnson's personal pilot Joseph Mashman to develop Bell helicopter was
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: employed by Belle At the time of the assassination. Three
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: thousand to five thousand Bell helicopters were lost in Vietnam,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: and Bell stockholders made a fortune replacing them. In nineteen
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: seventy eight or seventy six, De Mornshield was subjected to
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: nine electroshock treatments at Parkland Hospital under the order given
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: by one doctor Deloache, who was the first cousin of
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: FBI Assistant Director Cartha Dieke Deloche, which is interesting. His
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: doctor of record, a doctor Mendoza, ordered the administration of
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: intravenous drugs upon De Morninshields being committed to Parkland for
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: quote mental problems, but it was Deloche that ordered the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: electro shock therapy. This episode occurred during the time that
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: George Bush was the director of Central Intelligence and within
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: weeks of de Mornshields having written a manuscript for a
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: book entitled I'm a Patsy, I'm a Patsy, which named
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: names of various CIA and FBI personnel who framed Oswald
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: to cover their tracks in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: There is an extant version of the manuscript floating around
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: the net, which is possibly a creation of a good
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: forger like E. Howard Hunt. On March twenty, nineteen seventy seven,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: the same day De mornshield agreed to an interview with
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: the HSCA, he was found dead with a shotgun blast
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: through the mouth by his daughter Alexandra. His death ruled
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: a script. In nineteen sixty four, a CIA reports. A
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: report states that quote she was being monitored by CIA's
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: James Jesus Angleton because she was having an affair with
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Mohammed al Fayed.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, that would be Princess Diana's.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: Father in law, father in law right, soon to be
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: father in law father of Dodi Fied.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. James Angleton's name is signed at the bottom of
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: a forty one page report, and under his signature is
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: that of CIA at Jane Roman. Roman was a CIA
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: agent on who the record shows was charged with monitoring
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: the movements of Lee Harvey Oswald for the two months
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: preceding the assassination. George Bush's roommate at Andover and Yale,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: who subsequently enlisted with him in the Navy was Dmitry
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: von Mordenshield's stepson, a guy by the name of Edward
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Hooker whoa.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: Say that again.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: George Bush's roommate at Andover and Yale who subsequently enlisted
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: with him in the Navy was Dmitri von Morrinshield's step son,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Edward Gordon Hooker.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: That would be George Bush junior senior Senior, Yeah, okay,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: George Marshall's old got it.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: George de Morrinshield was business partners with Mohammed al Fayed
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: and Klaymar Charles and Haiti while working for Clinton Merchant's
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Haitian interests. He also worked for Merchiston's Three States Oil
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: and Gas Company. Jackie Kennedy grew up calling George de
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Mornshield uncle George, as her mother Janet Austin Class nearly
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: married him after she had dated him during her divorce
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: from Jackie's father, black Jack Bouvier.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's true.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: At one time, de Mornshield actually was engaged to be
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: married to Jackie's mother's sister, Jackie's aunt, Michelle to mourn
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: Shield was laying pipe back in the day, bro like
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: he was. He was crushing damn. He had like six
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: wives and probably almost married six other ones. Yeah, he's
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: laying it.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: He was right, and he was a good looking guy.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, even in his later life. I mean, no, homo,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: but you know.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Well William Altman's surely thought so. Yeah.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Well he allegedly went both ways.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: With a well choice.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: And wait, wait can did you say that his last wife,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Jeanne de Mornshield, worked with the Pruter. Yes, that is weird,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: although I I'm not sure what to make of that
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: because it was really a Zapruder's film. Uh kind of
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: cast a lot of doubt on where the headshot came from.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I I mean, granted, like we have.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Morphed into that, but if you're just thinking that from
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: the perspective, Okay, a bunch of these rich motherfuckers that
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: hated Kennedy would love to have a whole movie of
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: him getting his head blown off. Right in the most
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: simplest of terms, something that they could show their friends,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I understood into something totally different. But you know,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: if you're of the conspiracy mind, which is where this
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: is trying to go, and all these rich folks, and
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: you know they're all kind of inner can and part
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: of this, the CIA backed companies, you know, you got
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: to hunt Murchison Bird all these rich dudes working with
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: abrahams Appruter is a thirty second degree Mason, you know,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: with these white Russian connections and and and old oil
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: money and the Morning Shield and it. You know, you
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: would you would want to have somebody in daily Plaza
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: up on a perch with a unipeded line of sight,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: with the camera pointed directly where it should be pointed
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: exactly the right time to make a movie of this thing.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, And I have a good picture of
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: me on that pedestal being held up by Marita Renz's daughter,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: well she was posing as his secretary because you know me,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: I could fall. I probably would.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Well at any time. But yeah, that that is the
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: basic nuts and bolt of this Gemstone file. If you
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: will now again we don't know really what the original
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: Gemstone Files said, right, we just have this kind of summary,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: if you will, a rosettic key to understanding the Gemstone Files.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: It was written by some random woman, right. I mean
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: you can kind of figure some of this out from
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: listening to May Brussels old radio shows because she got
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: she went deep into the conspiracies with like you know,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Skorzeny and the Nazis and paper Clip and all this
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: stuff and trying to connect all this old money. And
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: she was she was going in a lot of different
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: directions back then.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and hey, I respect her a lot, like
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: I I hold her in relatively high regard, although I
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: haven't listened to everything. But she was kind of ahead
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: of of her time in many ways. I don't know
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: exactly what rabbit holes she went down.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: Or you know, but she went down a lot of them,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: and God bless her. You know, she was one of
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: like the og podcasters of the time. Yeah, she was
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: broadcasting from some little shitty AM radio station to the world,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: you know, making these tapes and sending them out. And
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it was a different time back then. You know,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: you had to be like kind of connected, like on
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: the on the underground scene, and you know you had
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: to basically subscribe, you know, like she had members. You know,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: you subscribed, and she would send you the tapes of
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: the radio shows, you know, like tapes, right, yeah, yeah,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty wild. Pay five dollars a month,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: you get four four concent tapes sent directly to your home,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: you know, type of thing, which is cool. Man. You
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: know she was, she was. She was one of the
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: ogs of this ship. She's look at us now as
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: it with a microphone, right, yeah.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Even Saint Joseph, the patron of Susas, has one.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, alright, let's check in with some comments before we
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: get out of here.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, we have a few. I think we're forty minutes.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: Behind Tim Rob.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: You were right.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: One of your first episodes was about Fraser. That guy's
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: full of shit. Thank you. Yeah, it's a fourteen year
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: old sentiment. It still holds hold water this very day,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Joe, it's been a while. Oh, here we go.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: We might have to rekindle and update the Fraser nonsensical horseshit. Yeah,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: spread it around the internet so more people can understand
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: why this dude is not to be trusted.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe we can get you know who. I'm
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: not going to name him publicly, but you know, to
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: get him on I won't come on.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: Well, apparently, uh, Jefferson Morley's email was hacked because this morning,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: Joe I got an email what yeah, yeah, uh hang on,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: let me let me send it in and I'll show
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: you of this thing. Where is it? Roger?
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: Roger says, this is some crazy ship tonight boys, Yes
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: it is. It was meant to be a fun show
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: and I think we accomplished that.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: All right, let me download this thing real quick and
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: I'll show you. I took a screenshot of it because
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: and the funny thing is is I just kind of
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: I saw it and I was just like, what the
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: fuck is this? And uh then I got a Facebook
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: message from he was like, man, you ain't gonna believe this.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: I think Jefferson Morley has been hacked, and I was like, yeah, no, ship.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: I got the same thing, like, what the hell is
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: going on here?
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: You're not on the email list.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I maybe unsubscribed, I don't know.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: In a moment of haste, all right, let me get
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: rid of this and replace this image with what I'm
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: looking for here. Oh shit, hold on, I don't have
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: it yet. Where is it? Okay? There it is green shot. Okay,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: downloading it now and media learning from disk. Here we go. Okay,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: that's not what was on the email. Yeah, yeah, you
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: see it, says Jefferson Morley on the top. Right, Blue Mountain.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: You've received an e card, right, says Jefferson Morley MORLEYJ
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. GM. That's a red flag since
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: you an E card from Blue Mountain dot com. Right,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: it looks like, you know, a weird birthday card. I'm like, well,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: it's not my birthday, right, and why the fuck is
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: Jefferson Morley sending me an E card? You know, like,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: this makes no sense, right, So I clicked on the
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: link to open up my e card right. Oh boy,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: that might have been a mistake, and it prompted me
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: to enter in my Google to basically log into my
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: Google account mm hmm, you know, using my email address
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: and password. And I was like, nah, fuck that you
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: ain't getting me, Jefferson, No, no new so but like
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: when so in this image, right, I clicked down because
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it kind of opens up their their email
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: address that is sending it from and it actually came
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: from MORLEYJ at gmail dot com, so apparently his email
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: has been hacked. But yeah, this is uh, this is
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: definitely weird. Doug got the same thing, and Doug actually
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: got two different ones. I only got one unless one
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: of mine went to spam hmm, which is possible.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, bro, I don't know if to make this.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so everybody out there, Jefferson really has been compromised.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Has been has been. I'm sorry.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: That was bad. It was a low blow, Joe, I know,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: Hopefully he won't get through two hours and six minutes
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: of this and see it, but listen to it.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Everybody will. Says May was unbelievable what she did without
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: the internet. Definitely do not agree with a lot of
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: her opinions, but salute and she was not a fan
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: of Mark Lane either or Marina. This is true and
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: her she was right.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: Basically, Bombarda says Jimmy the Weasel was big time. I
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: think he is buried near Niagara Falls. Well yeah, I mean,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: if you believe Wikipedia, he was the acting boss of
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: the La crime family for a while. So interesting that
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: his name would come up in this whole Gemstone Files.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Uh, someone I wasn't really familiar with that
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: I learned a lot about while prepping for the show.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: So Tim says, I have to download this and listen
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: later live is neat. Glad met you brother, Rob. Cool story,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: See you next week. We welcome, Welcome to the Ship show, Tim,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you. We're happy to have.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: You here, Quada. After all this crazy stuff, I don't
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: even know my name.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: Now, we're like only a third way through the document. Bro.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, it gets crazier and crazier. Now most of the
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: rest of it really doesn't have much to do with
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: the Kennedy assassination. So you know, it's not like we're
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: gonna go crazy on members only next week, because we
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: do have the Torbot document to get to, which is
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: another batshit crazy conspiracy great grands conspiracy theory that was
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: written by a mysterious lawyer allegedly that nobody knows if
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: this guy really existed or not, Willing Torbot, and it
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: does you know this that that deep dives into like
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: the Perman deck shit, Clay Shaw William Seymour is this
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: crazy CIA trained assassin and all kinds of stuff. So
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: that trust me, there's there's way more to get into
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: and I've been sitting on this thing, Joe in my drive.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: I have this document that is literally, god damn, it
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: must be one hundred pages long, typewritten pages, and I
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: think it was sent to Jed or Hoover and it
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: was this guy outlining this crazy conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, the craziest shit you've ever heard. And I've
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: never done a show on it before. But you know,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: we got nothing but time, So.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: That is true. That is true.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: All right, So Joe, you've already grabbed a goddamn dog.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I had to mute and pretend that we were
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: signing off because that's when she comes. When she she,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, man later and then she
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: comes in. So she's going to pick.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: Up come to Bourbon Street and I'll show you what
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: I think of the case. Do you know his dancing
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: and stuff out of here. Thank you again, fooks for
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: hanging out with us. Thank you to Brandon. I've uh
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: inscriptions the show or to the channel appreciates your brother
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: and the people that got him. Hope you appreciate him
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: and use him. You're sort of smashed, like betting on
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: your way out the door. And if you have, get
• 2:10:14
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• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: missed a thing from this channel. Oh well look up
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: by well see your friends. Folks. We'll review before members only,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: so stay tuned, but members here it first, see it first,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: and here at first.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, peace, peace, guys, thank you,