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Ep. 273: Would You Shoot A Shed Buck? And Other Iowa Shed Camp Questions · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This this episode number two and
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  Speaker 1: in seventy three into day. In the show, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a phone conversation from our annual Iowa shed hunting camp
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  Speaker 1: in which we're talking shed hunting off season, white tail
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  Speaker 1: prep and lessons learned, and we're tackling a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of listener Q and A. All right, Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx and
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  Speaker 1: today I am sitting in Iowa for a kind of
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  Speaker 1: unique podcast of sorts. We're actually sitting in a truck
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  Speaker 1: outside a restaurant. We just had a fish fry tonight
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  Speaker 1: and uh i'll hear with my buddy Ross Hass and
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  Speaker 1: my buddy uncle Peter. Hello. Thank you guys for for
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  Speaker 1: making this work. We're struggling with the post fish fry
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  Speaker 1: kind of food coma. What did you say that's hard forbid? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So if Ross sleeps his way through this one, forgive him.
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  Speaker 1: Um well, it would be the first time Ross slept
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  Speaker 1: through a podcast of yours. Today, I digress, We'll played.
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  Speaker 1: So So I did the crazy thing today. I was
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  Speaker 1: planning on coming out to Iowa for an extended shed
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  Speaker 1: hunting trips slash do some podcasts things like that, and
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  Speaker 1: I just had a bunch of funky things come up
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  Speaker 1: with my schedule, um where I had to go to
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  Speaker 1: some other places and the time to do the Iowa
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  Speaker 1: trip got kind of cut. So I was sitting here
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  Speaker 1: the other night last night thinking myself, if I what
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  Speaker 1: am I gonna do? I'm not I'm basically not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to go to Iowa four the shed
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  Speaker 1: hunting trip that we've been talking about at all, unless
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  Speaker 1: I somehow try to fit it in this weekend. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I only had one day. I thought I could
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  Speaker 1: get away with that. So at about ten thirty last night,
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  Speaker 1: I decided, you know what, I'm gonna wake up at
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  Speaker 1: three thirty am tomorrow morning. I'm gonna drive this so
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  Speaker 1: many hours, six or so hours to Iowa and we're
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  Speaker 1: in a shed hunt for the day. How how's that going? Well, well, no,
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  Speaker 1: well it's not the answer, um. But the other thing
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  Speaker 1: is I'm gonna try to do this all day shed
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  Speaker 1: hunt and then leave still tonight. So that put a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pressure on today's shed hunt on us. That's
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  Speaker 1: to your point, Peter, Yes, yes I found one shed, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I think we had we gotta set the stage
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit more because a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: are worth noting today. I do want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: our shed hunting trip. I do talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about how the shed season in general has gone, because
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  Speaker 1: we're kinda kind of peeking shed season right now for
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  Speaker 1: most people, and then it's going to kind of start
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  Speaker 1: transitioning over turkeys here soon. Um. Speaking of turkeys to Peter,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, last year at our shed camp
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  Speaker 1: are Iowah shed Camp podcast, you were with me and
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  Speaker 1: Ross and Ben, and we spent a decent amount of
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  Speaker 1: time talking about, you know, you're hunting journey up to
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  Speaker 1: that point and some of the things going to last season.
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  Speaker 1: So if you'll let me, I want to grill you
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about how your two thousand eighteen season went.
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  Speaker 1: Sure we can do that. So your crowd is going
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  Speaker 1: to love that, So let's have So I do want
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  Speaker 1: to do that, and then we've got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: audience questions I wanted to um tackle if we've got time.
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  Speaker 1: So the shed hunt though. I think you were seeing these, Peter,
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  Speaker 1: but tell me if you didn't. Ross has been sending
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  Speaker 1: our group text over the last few weeks, you know,
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  Speaker 1: frequent messages saying how good it's going to be this
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  Speaker 1: year for the shed trip Um specifically one honey hole
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  Speaker 1: of of of the Rosses that we've been shed hunting
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  Speaker 1: for a number of years now, and he's like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the year it's gonna be double digits on such
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  Speaker 1: and such a place sheds acres. Yeah, and so I
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  Speaker 1: specifically was thinking last night as I'm laying in that
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  Speaker 1: ten thirty debating whether or not I should do this.
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  Speaker 1: Any other year it would be stupid to drive all
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  Speaker 1: the way to Iowa for a one day shed, but
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  Speaker 1: this is the year double digit sheds in one spot,
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  Speaker 1: Ross promised me. So I did it last night last night.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting ready for bed, actually I was just
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  Speaker 1: starting to lay down. Mark text me, so it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be good, right, And I said, yeah, that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: really good. I mean i'd come if how are you? Yep?
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  Speaker 1: That was me like doing a little self uh self debate,
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  Speaker 1: like is this a stupid idea or not? Well, if
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  Speaker 1: we could find the guy's footprints and we could figure
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  Speaker 1: out who's there before us. Unfortunately, you might have a
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  Speaker 1: good idea of what they they found, so we were
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  Speaker 1: I would have to concur with Ross. I drive by
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  Speaker 1: the same spots and it was just pounded with deer tracks,
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  Speaker 1: thick seedars, a lot of ridge lines, and just standing
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  Speaker 1: standing food of many varieties for them to eat. And
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  Speaker 1: I would say we would have found at least fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't goes high as twenty. Yeah, so it might
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  Speaker 1: have been good. It would have been a good number
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  Speaker 1: for us. Why Ross, did you think it was gonna
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  Speaker 1: be so good? Um, it's just a good The woods
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  Speaker 1: is just a good wintering kind of like betting area
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  Speaker 1: for the deer. Like Peter said, it's got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thick cedars, and there's a lot of sun exposed areas,
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  Speaker 1: and it's the closest cover to where they were feeding.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of standing beans that got left
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  Speaker 1: in because they got flooded or something like that in
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  Speaker 1: the fall, so that you were just piling in there,
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  Speaker 1: just pounded it. So when would drive by and check
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  Speaker 1: it at night, there be I'd see deer, No no problem,
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  Speaker 1: just from the road. That's crazy. So I was really excited,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and so and now we're just getting that
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  Speaker 1: snow melt. We had some warm temps this week, had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of snow on the ground last week. So
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  Speaker 1: we decided, well, now it's probably the best time because
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  Speaker 1: everybody else has been watching this place too, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure other people have permission um to walk it. So
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  Speaker 1: we thought, well, let's let's try to do it as
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  Speaker 1: soon as possible. And that's why that's why we told
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  Speaker 1: you twenty ships tomorrow, Mark, you should probably come down here.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Mary, which I like to call her Mary,
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  Speaker 1: but her name is Sarah. I thought she had we
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  Speaker 1: had v I P access VP. It's actually Stacy, but Stacy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Well, yeah, we're going to be some
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  Speaker 1: secret What did happen with that ross? Yeah, well I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean, super nice lady and uh,
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  Speaker 1: grateful at you. Let's just walk in there it. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: we show up and like within a matter of like
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  Speaker 1: thirty seconds of getting there, there's boot tracks everywhere, pretty
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  Speaker 1: fresh ones too, oh really really fresh. And then and
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  Speaker 1: then not just fresh, but then boot tracks that were
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  Speaker 1: old too. So somebody had been in their ton. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably one of those things where you got permission hunt
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  Speaker 1: years ago or permission years ago to do something, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't always reask, You just kind of assume you
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  Speaker 1: can go. Perhaps, Yeah, well it was fun still, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it used to be. It used to be fun. But
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  Speaker 1: then people started talking about shed hunting time and it's
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  Speaker 1: get a big shed rally, rally, look awesome, this is
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  Speaker 1: anybody go out and do it. Yeah, you guys don't
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  Speaker 1: like the competition, huh. And then we go we go
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  Speaker 1: shed hunting, and then we find a bunch of boot tracks,
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  Speaker 1: get all discouraged, and then hey, let's have a podcast
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  Speaker 1: about how awesome shed honey is. That'd be great. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the vicious little tongue in cheek they're about. Yeah, um, so,
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  Speaker 1: so what let's break down where we we did find
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  Speaker 1: some sheds though, and folks listening that are trying to
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  Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about finding sheds, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's worth noting where we found them. Um So I
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  Speaker 1: found one shed. Now this is on a separate property
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  Speaker 1: that we went to earlier in the day before Peter
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  Speaker 1: was able to join us. Um, but where I found
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  Speaker 1: it was actually down in the bottom, right near a
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  Speaker 1: creek crossing. But there was a single, lone cedar down
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  Speaker 1: there in this bottom and it was there was snow
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  Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the bottom except four underneath this cedar.
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  Speaker 1: And I just I saw that lone tree there, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, that's worth checking for a shed.
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  Speaker 1: Walked over there and walked, walked, looked at the big opening,
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  Speaker 1: didn't see anything, kept walking and then stopped and for
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  Speaker 1: some reason turn and looked back the way that the
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  Speaker 1: way I came. I think, because there's all these trails coming,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, God, there has to be a shed around here.
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  Speaker 1: So I stopped, took a second look, and then somehow
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  Speaker 1: I had missed. It's kind of a small four point
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  Speaker 1: side was sitting down there underneath that cedar laying there.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it from the different angle. Um, but that's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things I think you guys would all agree. Um,
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  Speaker 1: when you see those lone cedar trees just always seems
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  Speaker 1: to be something worth checking, do you think, Yeah, other
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  Speaker 1: properties I shed hunted around here, Uh, kind of late season,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go hit all those kind of stranded cedar trees
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  Speaker 1: that are kind of up on next to prairie grass
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and you get pretty lucky. I've found a
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  Speaker 1: lot of green like basically horns out there. For a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, nobody saw, especially on a hard winter
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  Speaker 1: when when the deer browsing cedar cedars more than usual,
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  Speaker 1: like in a mild winter, they might not touch them
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  Speaker 1: really at all. But this winter was an exception, and
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  Speaker 1: so cedars are probably a good good place to look
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  Speaker 1: this year. Um, so then we're else, we're whof? So
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  Speaker 1: I found mine? First? No, you found the first one ross? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that little dink. You found a spike? Right? Ye? Where
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  Speaker 1: was that fence crossing? Fence crossing? Okay, second shed was
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  Speaker 1: underneath the cedar. Third shed of the day was what
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? It was that old one? Hold that
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  Speaker 1: old one. That was if you can imagine a prairie
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  Speaker 1: grass field, a gravel road and then like that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thicket before a fence line. It was kind of
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  Speaker 1: going through the thicket jumped the fence and that's why
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  Speaker 1: I found it. So it was that was that was
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  Speaker 1: probably three years old. That was considered a what would
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  Speaker 1: I call it a chalk on a chalk on that
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  Speaker 1: one It was cracked and everything. So yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was that was that was there quite a while
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  Speaker 1: quite well, yeah, three years or so. Shed number four
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  Speaker 1: was you as well, Peter R. Yeah, that was my nickname.
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  Speaker 1: Perimeter Pete. I like to walk to a perimeter. If
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine this property having a a fence line
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of private ground, we can't walk,
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  Speaker 1: that's all prairie. Uh, and the deer come out of
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  Speaker 1: this array of cedars and ridges, and I was just
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  Speaker 1: on the edge in between. It's like twenty yards maybe
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  Speaker 1: of just mode grass between the fence line and the
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  Speaker 1: road on a road basically. So yeah, you guys, you
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  Speaker 1: guys traveled a long ways. Mark, I said, you go
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  Speaker 1: go get the good stuff and I'll just sit out
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  Speaker 1: here in the perimeter. And um, the last time we
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  Speaker 1: actually shout it here together, I did the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: just on the other side of the road. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny, right, you always do this. You always say
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  Speaker 1: I'll go get the low hanging fruit, and you always
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  Speaker 1: walk the edge and then you find sheds on the edge.
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  Speaker 1: So today, before you arrive, Ross said, hey, don't let
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  Speaker 1: Pete walk the low hanging fruit. You make sure you
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  Speaker 1: get it this time. Yeah, well it didn't happen to it,
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  Speaker 1: and then somehow we we self sabotaged. Didn't let you
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  Speaker 1: take it anyway. Ross was like, when are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: get here? Said, well, why don't you guys just start walking?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe walk the stuff on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: road for a time. When I get there, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: walk the green stuff and then you guys meet up
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  Speaker 1: with me at some point. But he didn't like that idea. No.
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  Speaker 1: Rass specifically said, we can't let him go free range.
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  Speaker 1: Free range, Peter is trouble. He didn't have any high
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  Speaker 1: visible colors on today. You had camouflage on. That's not
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  Speaker 1: like you can't keep tracking when you got camel Yeah,
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: hunt in life. I think we talked about that last year.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: How you you tend to wear high vis orange shirts? Well,
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: why don't you guys know where Matt? So when you
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: gotta do when you got to come over to do
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  Speaker 1: filming for me? When I got this monster shed, I
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  Speaker 1: want you to see me and kind of get it. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: there he is track them down? High is high is
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  Speaker 1: pi number four looks like the orange the orange on
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  Speaker 1: your hat matches orange on my shirt, so it's true
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  Speaker 1: combination Shed Number five was ross. Yep, that one. Not
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  Speaker 1: much to that one, except for I was just right
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  Speaker 1: in the timber where they where they have been quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit. It was on the just on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of a stump. So it was one of those
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  Speaker 1: ones where if he would have just went to the
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  Speaker 1: right a little bit, you probably would have missed it.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that shed was there? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that they're dear beded there or is that just transitioning.
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  Speaker 1: I think just transitioning. I don't think they're in that
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  Speaker 1: spot specifically. I don't think there were any beds. But um,
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  Speaker 1: like you saw him. We went to the other side.
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  Speaker 1: They were crossing that fence and coming into that timber
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit from there, and I think that dear
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  Speaker 1: maybe was moving in or it was just up in
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  Speaker 1: browsing after being laid down. But how many shows do
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  Speaker 1: you have so far? That's your ross? Uh? Something like that? Yeah, Peter.
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  Speaker 1: I found a match set on some city property in
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  Speaker 1: the town I live in. And I found one when
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  Speaker 1: I was I don't know if this is a tip
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  Speaker 1: or not, but I found one one I was looking
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  Speaker 1: at the property potentially to purchase. I was walking and
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  Speaker 1: I just found one. So that was kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: There you are you gonna buy a farm one of
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  Speaker 1: these days, I think. So we were talking in the
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: past about as a business grows, a lot of things
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: are happening. And if you're self employed, it's just getting
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: the right financial people in your life with regards to
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  Speaker 1: accountant and um, making a strong decision what you can afford,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: what you can't, and knowing what you can I can
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  Speaker 1: do and I think that's the biggest thing. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there will be something. I'm hoping to get it closer
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  Speaker 1: to Ross, so I gotta be a little bit more patient. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: something that Ross does and this is actually one of
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  Speaker 1: the next things I wanted to bring up. Something that
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  Speaker 1: Ross does really well, um, and that we got to
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of today was getting permission. And you get
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  Speaker 1: so much shed hunting permission. Ross. I don't know how much.
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  Speaker 1: I bet you have thousands of acres of shed hunting ground.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that's probably true? Yeah, just just in
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  Speaker 1: one one one person. Actually, well yeah, look quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit and a lot of it's not good for looking.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you had up all though acres that
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  Speaker 1: you have access to, you yeah and so and then
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  Speaker 1: you also have a lot of hunting permission UM, and
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  Speaker 1: I just finished writing an article for the Meat Eater
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  Speaker 1: dot com about UM some of the things I've learned
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  Speaker 1: about gaining hunting permission, some of the things that I
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  Speaker 1: use personally, and other things I've learned from some of
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  Speaker 1: the folks I've interviewed on the podcast, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole permission's thing is on my mind, especially
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  Speaker 1: today now that we took advantage of. Interestingly, the spot
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  Speaker 1: that we shed hunting today, the Honeyhole spot, was a
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  Speaker 1: location that when I came out here, maybe six years
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  Speaker 1: ago or five years ago, I was coming out to
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  Speaker 1: try to get permission to hunt, and you had there
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  Speaker 1: were a few places that you would recommend that maybe
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  Speaker 1: I should check with because you've you know, driven by.
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  Speaker 1: You looked at the map and you thought looked pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: So I added those spots to my list. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a property that I had on that list. And
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  Speaker 1: I knocked on this ladies door, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she was home, or maybe she was home. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember what happened, but I didn't get permission. I know that, UM.
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  Speaker 1: But later we returned, and then I think you returned
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  Speaker 1: and got shed hunting permission on. Um. But this is
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  Speaker 1: all to say now that I'm thinking about this whole
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  Speaker 1: permission thing, and now that some people maybe are out
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  Speaker 1: there right now trying to get somewhere to look for
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  Speaker 1: sheds over the next couple of weeks. UM, we've never
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  Speaker 1: talked to you. I don't think about what you'd like,
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  Speaker 1: how you pull it off so well, Um, is there
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  Speaker 1: anything you can share about your process for getting permission,
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  Speaker 1: how you how you do it? Because if I remember right,
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but you were not into
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  Speaker 1: it right away, like you were kind of nervous about it.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to knock on doors when you first,
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  Speaker 1: you know, start coming out in Iowa with everybody, Corey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really likes doing it. I still don't, UM,
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  Speaker 1: But I remember the one I remember being with a
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine. His name is Josh, and he he
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  Speaker 1: was bugging the heck out of me. He was riding
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  Speaker 1: passenger and he was telling me pulling here, pulling here,
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  Speaker 1: pulling here, and I just didn't want to do it,
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  Speaker 1: and and then finally pulled in there. And of course
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  Speaker 1: most people are genuinely pretty friendly and and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we talked to the guy for thirty minutes, and
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  Speaker 1: he was showing us all of his stuff, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, we were talking about everything, and then one
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  Speaker 1: thing leads to another, and then he mentioned somebody and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: then you go talk to them, and then and then
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: as you start to learn learn about the area and
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you get to know people, just more doors open up.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Pretty much when I go about it, I don't I
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: don't expect when I go to the door, I don't
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: expect anything for anybody right when I go to the door. Um,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I just want to try to build a relationship, let
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: them know who I am, you know that they can
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: trust me kind of thing. So like, if I go
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to a door this year, I'm not gonna expect to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: get anything out of it. I don't. I don't expect
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to be able to shed hunt or hunt or anything
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: like that. But but just having a presence and getting
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: to know people. And then one of the best things too,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: is getting to know people in the area. If you
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: get to know him pretty well, people always ask you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: where you're from or how you end up in the area.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And if you know Joe Shmo down the road really well,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it makes it easier to talk to other
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: people as well. Yeah, I mean I talked to people. Yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: go to the door and you know, okay, and so
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and so goes to church with so and so, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: oh I know him, and then you get talking and
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: then it just one thing leads in another. And I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: think that helps out quite a bit first as just
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: being some some guy that just wants something from somebody
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: all the time. So so when you're saying that you're
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: not expecting to get permission of any kind the first
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: time you go up there, what are you asking about? No?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I mean I ask, you know, like I asked right away.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: But sometimes a no isn't like a no forever. It's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: just a note right then too. Um do you go
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: back every year or multiple years? But I know I have.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: But usually people usually know pretty quickly whether it will
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: whether it's something you should should ask again, or if
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it's you know you should return or um. But just
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: getting a good conversation started. I wouldn't beat around the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: bush too much. Let him know who you are, how
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you ended up in the area. They always want to
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: know why the heck you're at their door. Don't stand
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: right on the don't look in their windows, and be
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: standing right next to their door. Back off the stoop
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit, stand back, you know, do you remember
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the first time we did it together. You're much better
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: than I am, by the way. But that particular property
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: we got we asked at first, We asked the hunt
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and a lot of acreage there, and he said no,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and we he said kind of no right away, but
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: very nice, and he talked for a half hour. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: before we left and we were walking away, I went
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: knocked on door again. I think that was me being aggressive.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You went back to the same door after well, just
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: after we closed, I knocked. I think it was closing
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: and we just said hey, I said, you know, do
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you mind if we follow up with you in the spring.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe they just look for antlers we go, we have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a good time doing that, because yeah, that'd be great
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you guys. He said, it was really cool because you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: guys presented yourself really nice. I don't have a problem
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: doing that, So that was kind of I think the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: presentation was key. We were non threatening, so but Ross,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: sorry Mark, no, go ahead, but Ross, don't you bring
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: candle up there once in a while? Your wife, I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: think that's like no, she guys waits back a good
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: technique too. I have heard some people that do that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I've got a friend who his wife hunts with him
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and they go tag team and he believes that having
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: his wife there with him helps him significantly. UM, I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: not sure you know exactly how to explain that, except
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: for shows that maybe your family man you're you know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: not too terribly creepy because you've got a wife. Um says,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: there's something that you can it kind of softens it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I would imagine. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: just don't don't expect to have a bunch of success,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: like right right away. You know, every time you go
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: out and you talk to people, you're learning about an area,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You're learning about people, and it builds on itself and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: eventually it leads to two doors opening up. Yeah, tell
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: me how often are you like going and doing this stuff?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I hate doing it. I don't do it that much, Mark,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like you do it more and most I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: did back in the day just because I was really
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I was really motivated. Then Now I'm I'm a little
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: bit more content. I still ask I think you can
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: talk about now where he's he did the hard work.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Now he's just like he's massaging them. He's kind of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: continually did special missile. Yeah is it? Is it? Fried Festival?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Do you do that kind of stuff? Fire Festival? Watch
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that documentary? Yeah, Ross, go get me some water? Move
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on or the other show? What's that one? Anyways? We
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: digrez Where are we going? Forgot? You were talking about massaging? No, no,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know you're just like you don't don't get permission.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And then just then stop stop showing up and thankful.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: You know, every year, you know, take take the landown
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: or something, always like taking them walleyes and they love that,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and stop and just say you're you know, even if
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you're in the area, just stop and say hello. Everybody
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: likes to talk, especially it seems like in rural rural
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: um Iowa, Northwestern I don't think. I think I've only
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: been to a door twice where it was kind of like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: oh that was not a good idea. But but other
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: than that, I mean, everybody's so friendly all the time,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and it's just and then and then over the years,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you just you just actually you can make some friends
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and and create some relationships that are are even better
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: than you know, being able to hunt. Right. Yeah, you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you certainly shown that that's the case. You dealt some
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: great relationships by way of that kind of thing. But
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think I think being down here though too. Like
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I when we started, when we were living in Iowa,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: when we came down here from Wisconsin, it was a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: little easier to get permission back when we were really
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: trying to trying to find places to go. Now it
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: just keeps getting harder and harder. Other areas of the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: country I think would be I mean ten times harder
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: than here, but but it is, it is becoming more
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: challenging for sure. Do you think that's just because more
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: people are trying to get permission or are you seeing
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: outfitting happening by you or other things or what leasing?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And then you know, and then everybody else, I mean
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: permission to other people, and yeah, I mean it's it's yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: years ago when we were kind of doing the some
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of that filming for you, I mean to discuss that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Avin Ross text me, look at this sign on our stand.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: We had no idea our best property was leased out,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of way it went. And then all
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the rest kind of all that he had like three
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: different areas we could hunt individual foreign properties and they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: each one of them slowly went away and then it
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was gone. That was really like the end of an
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: era too for you guys, wasn't it. Yeah, we used
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to hunt together a lot back and then Ross got married.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Ross got married, But Candall hunts all the time too,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So that's actually great for them. But it still doesn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: bother do not for me so much? No, gosh, sure
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: it does. Ross would rattle the deer in you. Peter,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: there is shoot, I go, No, not big enough son.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: My favorite, and I can't remember if we've mentioned this before,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: My favorite, one of my favorite clips ever that we
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: had for the Wired Hunt episodes was it was opening
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: day in Iowa two thousand, awesome day, beauty, and Peter's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: up to bat first, he has the bow. Ross is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: sitting above him filming. Ross were even in Iowa. That
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: No was in Wisconsin. I just came down the video you.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I thought, Hey, he's gonna he's gonna actually let the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: aerofly and shehot a big buck. So he's he And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: now was it the split that came in first? Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: but there was a smaller eight that had great potential.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Then the split nine or ten described this buck a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: little more. No, No, no, that that young buck that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: had like super came through. Yeah, he came through the split. Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but then there's yeah, well he would there was the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Albom was okay, I'm okay with you letting that. Yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that's fine. Apparently not in the film though, Well no, no,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that was just the way Yeah, no, it was can
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you paraphrase what he said? Mark? Do you remember so
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: when the big one came through the bigger the two
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: came through? Ross says Peter, what are you doing? Shoot? Shoot?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Peter's like, I don't think so. And I laughed very,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: very hard every time I watched that you too squabble
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: up in the tree. He was it was like probably
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a four year old hundred fort and I think it
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: was a great three whatever. Yeah, it was like a webbing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He was not like a nice fork. It was just
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a webbing. And what are you talking about? You now
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the little one? No, just split on
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the G two was just more of a web versus
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: as big. This is why I hang out with these two. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I don't, you're not You're getting them confused. No, I
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: was right in front of me the whole thing. It
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was a It was a big deer, especially for where
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they came in later. Yeah, okay, there's a two At first,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that's when you kind of yelled at Oh no, no, no,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with those. Yeah, okay, the other one. Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I went home. I got sick to my stone. Maybe
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I did yell at you for them. Maybe you'r you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: passed on like a hundred and thirty class buck And
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that was a three and a half and had had
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: a nice split going on G two, but that one
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: had a lot of potential for the further year. They
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: kind of went away, and Ross was still disgusted and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: even bigger about because we heard a smack Nember that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: he was fighting somebody someone. I wonder who's fighting? So
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking, What's who is he fighting?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: He comes in like G three is a little small, No, no, no, no,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: what did I do? He just he had nubs for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: G four's But oh yeah, that's right. It doesn't matter.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter. It shouldn't have mattered. Why did you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: talk yourself out of that? Uh? Yeards broadside, he was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: probably one forty. What what is the what's the truth
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: of the matter, Peter truth? I just don't want to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: shoot so I drove all the way down here's the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: real truth to sit in that tree to watch you.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Because Kenda the year before saw these one fifties, one sixties.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the first day of the season. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in reality, did I get another opportunity that whole year? Probably?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: But wait which one? We were the one that was
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what the big on public? Later on the other one came.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But people, we're losing the audience now, So what are
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you talking about? That one forty class year? I should
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: have shot after the other two walked through. Yes, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: went home and I watched the video and I go,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: oh my god, he's hute. You know, that was nice.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: That was my mistake. I think it was his first,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: first first hunt of the year. I'm like, I got
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this because Ross had to lay down. We got this
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: permission on this property. It's three acres right here. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: get to hunt it all myself. And because Ross is
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and Ross is in Wisconsin that and I'm thinking to myself,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I got I'm not. I'm gonna wait, what's the difference,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because we actually did see a lot of good deer
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, that's a lot of good video for
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you that year. Did Yeah, yeah, um, so we're gonna
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: say something Ross. No, remember he's probably piste off because
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I went were swearing. I didn't think he'd want to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: come all away from lacrosse. Okay, so the plan was.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: The plan was, I'm coming down, are coming where? It
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: never told me? He goes and she hunts it by himself. Ross,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you should see all the s. No, no, no, that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: not what it was like. You were finding like you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: had like six little ones and you sat down in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a stump and pouted because you didn't have any big ones.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And then you found like five right together like through
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and cleaned it all up, and then we had to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: go back there and get get the seconds. Unbelievable. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was mad. I know you were, but I had no
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: idea you're still mad? Well yeah you should be. Yeah. Anyways,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: so anyways, back to Peter Passing Deer. When we had
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you on the podcast last time, Uncle Peter, people might
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: remember that as the the closest thing we ever got
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to a Bigfoot episode on where Hunt. Oh that was great.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Oh then I did you did allow me to market
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: my business and I did get a gentleman that came in.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: What did this client say, like I asked him, I said,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: did you listen to the whole podcast? Kind of question
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: mark voice? And uh, because it was good. Yeah, he
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: didn't really bring it up, so I kind of let
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it go as if he didn't know that I did
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: big big foot and vocalizations. One of those vocalizations sound
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like the rates that are and just so everybody knows
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: in case he no, we got we're in the public
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: place right now to scare the natives. So okay, maybe
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you can reference back to that. Yeah, that's a lot
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of editing, but probably not. But we we kind of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: talked about your journey as a hunter, how you kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of got up to this point, um, some of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: different challenges you've had, some of the good things I've
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: gone on, Um, And we kind of left off hopeful,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: like we thought that two th eighteen would be your year. Um,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you had some confidence coming in. Yeah, we had a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: lot of good intel. Uh. So before you only further, Yes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta just make sure you don't forget
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that your two thousand eighteen season did begin very well
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: with our Michigan Turkey camp. Yes, that was exciting, um,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: because that's a story worth telling, you know, Mike, I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of experience killing things, so that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: was actually fun to get out there and uh kill something.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So that was that kind of gets the on the table.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So so we're going turkey hunting together. So I was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I got luck and have to go out there with
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon extra the extraordinaire, pretty good at calling in turkey.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So we get out there and we're sitting on this
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: this little spot it's probably like a fence row that's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: has a road coming through it, and we I isolate
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the turkey the hundred fift yards away, would you say
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: maybe something like that? It comes down in we're watching it,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: saying come forever, and it's getting within forty yards and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: he's hammering away and I'm like, this is gonna happen.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like Mark can be you know, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: know Mark, and I'm not really scared of him, but
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I was actually scared if I'm during that because he's like, Peter,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: don't move from but I'm like, I gonna move and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I've really got to move. I'm going numb. And I'm
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like I'm like I'm seeing a different side of Mark here,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like this, like that Cameraman episode, you know, this fall
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: hunting where the cameraman was scared of you. I guess
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's real. And so I'm like, I gotta move. I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like going numb, and I you know, I'm so long
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: story short. That bird came in. I was did great
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and then and then, uh, I'm not an experienced turkey hunter,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: so I probably should have just stood up and shot, right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think you could have just swung your gun at
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that point and shot. Yeah, that was five ten yards
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: through brush, you know, because he was he was about
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to step on us. He came right in. And then
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: if I remember right like we're waiting for him to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: pop out from behind some brush and then he got
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: right on top of you. I probably would have stood
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: up in fall, and because my ass was none, because
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I just was in so much tenderness saying you're Peter's
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in so much tenderness on this turkey, so that that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: bird ran walked right up to us, gobbling, and then
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't Coco Corey Corey was Chuck sniper. Wasn't he just
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: up the way? He was probably ds away? Yeah, he
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was set up over there, and and then you turkey
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: finally put put it away once he kind of saw
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: something was going on. If you could imagine what he
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: was saying in his head, what do you think he
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: was saying? He was saying, what's he doing? Was Peter
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: doing is shooting? He never shoots anything shooting. Um, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: didn't work out. But then yeah, then so then we
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: will kind of do some fast forwarding here. We kind
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of walked around. We had a couple of opportunities but
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: didn't work out. Kind of we're running gun I guess
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the technique. And then we spotted some in a different
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: field where we could actually shoot the field, but we
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't hunt the field, if that makes any sense. We
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't walk the property, but we could shoot the fence line.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: According to the farmer we had and you were if
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I recall, You're like, you're man, I want to eat breakfast.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan said, I'm like, no, we can probably make
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: this happen. I don't. Yeah, yeah, he wants the waffle waffle.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That's true. I feed the tripot, That's what I keep saying. Anyways,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: so I go, Mark, let's get this a shot. I go,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it looks like they feel kind of looks like the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: train bends over there. They might be closer over there.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Than you are here. So we kind of let's just
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: say we went to fifty yards back from the fence
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and cut through the ridge and then we we got tack. Man,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this can happen. So I started going down the hill
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and um, I stood up on top of So what
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: was our plan? Let you kind of give the plan
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that we kind of came up with at that point.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: It was me and you and and Corey. I don't
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: remember what Cory did it. I'll tell you. I think
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he just stayed up behind me, right he was he
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was the wind beneath my wings. He was the wind
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: beneath your ring. He's courageing. And and I was back
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: on the hill calling. And you were going to try
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to sneak down the hill, kind of crawl down the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: hill and then try because of the way the ground,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that the slight hill in the brush, it looked like
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you might be able to edge your way up to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the edge of the field. There's a lot of crouchwalking
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to begin with. And then and then it happened you
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: went prone. I went prone. And this is something specifically
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I'd like to do. If you recall the picture of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: me being prone in that log. Yes, it's very very dramatic,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: but I I don't recommend it for everybody. It's not
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: for everybody, but you should try to go prone once
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in a while. So so, so I'm crawling on his belly.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I think it'll start because it was like a tree
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: down but it had a branch like this, so I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: couldn't kind of duck through it. So I just started
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: crawling and I kept on crawling to the field edge
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and all the while, yeah, I mean there was ten yards.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They're going like, I don't think this is gonna happen.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I go, it's got it. So I kept on crawling.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't hear me. But you guys are
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: making a cackle up top? Were you at that point?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But that once you were pretty darn close. I think
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: we started trying to just get them to come start
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: moving our way a little bit because they're they're pretty
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: far out there, and we start. Once you finally got
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: into position, that's when we were really That was that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: was intense. And the hen started yelping, and then I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: would get here really piste off. I keep yelping really
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: grassively back at her, and she keep going and I
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: keep going, and then I just started going crazy. So
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: at this point I'm prone, just like you shooting a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: rifle on the ground, and uh, I think I had
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a red dot too, didn't I Anyway, I don't know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been Dusty's gun, but um, yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I just this big turkeys ross hay soon when I say,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it's all fluffed out and yeah, sorry terminology, And it
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: was common and coming coming, and then all of a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: sudden at the last second, and I probably could have
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: shown where he was, but I wanted a little bit
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: more because he was coming, why not let him go further?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Um because again, in reality, you guys are about twenty
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: yards higher than me, and so they were focused higher
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: than where I was. And then this jake just runs
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: right in front of him and right at me. So
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I just let him eat it. And that was. That
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: was my first turkey kill. So that was pretty exciting. Yeah. Yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and Coco come running through there and he's like, yeah,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: he's just screaming, and uh that was pretty cool. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it was a good moment. Yeah, it was I I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: look forward to doing that again this year. Yeah. That
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: was that was an absolute blast, and I feel like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it it kind of took the edge off something yeah,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: in my, my, in, just in me. So we were
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: all proud of you. We're very proud. Yeah, genuinely excited,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: proud and happy for you. I can still picture you
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: walking into that, um the trailer, that beautiful trailer, with
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: that jake on your Yeah, that was cool. I don't
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: want to talk about the trailer though. Man, you didn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: really enjoy sleeping in there? Huh No, I feel like
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I hovered the whole time with my hands at my
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: side six inches off the bed because I didn't want
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to just mice chewing on your ear loves sleeping big
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: zipped up so tight you could just barely see the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: white of his eyes. Yeah, Penicillin's on the list of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: my things to bring next year. So Turkey camp went, well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: yeah it was you're feeling, did you? I feel like
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you like left that with some new confidence. Is that
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: fair siting? I would say so. Like I said, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: think last year, I'm not a big killer, but I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: do everything about hunting. I grew up with hunting. My
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: father and brother they killed everything they saw and it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: just wasn't who I was. But I have killed deer,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I've killed pheasant turkey now and uh who knows what's next.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So talk to us then about the tills in eighteen
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: deer season. So so we're going right back to Yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: we had some good intel from previous hunts. Last year,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I do a hunt mostly state land now, and UM,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: i'd for taken river access on some of these spots
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: because it for the benefits of you just crossed the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: river and you're you're up in your stand and um,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that's it, dear, don't know you're there. And this year
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the river was so high. We did some testing during
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like a Midsummer's day in September, and it was up
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to our chest where normally it's at are just above
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: your knees or at your thigh, and it was just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: too too risky. I thought, coming through there in the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: middle of the in the morning, you know, dark, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: most likely you'll make it, but if you fall, that's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: just a little dangerous. So decided to just take the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: long way in and walk the whole property and sweep
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: down into this river bottom. And I ran a few
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: deer a few times, and I really think that just
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: educated the deer that something was going on out of
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the normal. And uh, and I didn't see as many
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: deer as I had in the past. But I did
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: see a nice one, you know, a nice would be
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: eight or nine pointer, and and um, we did get
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a quality deer on camera, and that was amazing to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: see that on camera. So a quality deer. Uh, if
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I said the word Don Higgins, is that give you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: an idea really big buck? Yeah? I never really thought
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: i'd catch one of those on camera around here. So
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: one photo and that well five photos in that little series,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: but we never saw him again, so we're not sure
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: where he resides when he resides somewhere around that area.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So back to your um than encounter. You had an
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: encounter with a really big deer. Didn't didn't wasn't Wasn't
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: there a learning experience of that encounter. Yeah. So basically
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: we set up on which was seemed like a primary
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: scrape tree. Uh, we'd like to hunt this area around
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the early twenties and all the way to November one.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's best at that time unless the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: year before I had to just two monsters go through
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: there and no opportunities. It was in the wrong spot,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and then we moved everything to the right spot. We
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: thought this year, Uh, the scrape wasn't as active as
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it happened in the past, and and um, so we
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just didn't get the quality or coming through. But I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: learned this year there's still coming from the one spot.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So next year, if I can across that across that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: river and maybe do a little bit more mobile set up,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I should be able to get a better chance at
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: one of these year because they're just doing the same thing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: So I was hoping they'd go to that scrape, but
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: like they did the year before, all, they didn't do
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it this year. Uh, we didn't get a lot of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: intel this year. We had a camera up in September
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: all the way to October and a rackoon knocked it over,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: so we we don't know if that bigger deer would
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: have been there or what type of deer were there
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: this year compared to other years. So so that was distressing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So so you had one one good encounter, couldn't get
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, I was just fifty fifty sixty yards away,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: so no shot there. I did move to then, so
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't move kind of then from where they were
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: coming from. And one great morning I got one of
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the one of the first doughs must went in the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: heat around there, and I saw this dough was awesome.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: She was running by herself, just crazy, and she's making
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: all these crazy zig zag patterns all the way down
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this ridge and back up and down. Jumped out to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: where I was, and at that time I was watching
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: a two and a half ye old buck. He started
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: chasing under the opposite direction. But five minutes later all
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: these bucks come running on her same trail and the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: all zig zag up and down the hill. I did
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: have a good encounter there with maybe a good, good
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: four and a half year old deer. I don't know
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: how big it was really, maybe maybe one forties, pretty thick,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it seemed like not not huge, But um I didn't
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: obviously I didn't do a lot of trimming in this spot.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Well you can't, but I was up in my window
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: was more forward where this came into my left, which
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: if you can imagine all these saplings growing to all
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: these little times times and trees. He was at ten yards,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: just couldn't get a shot. Do you think there's anything
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you would do, like anything you do differently coming into
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: this next year now after these close calls you had,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: or the failed access via water. I think that the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: water is the main access. Maybe do I get a kayak?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, it just seems like a lot
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: of work just to do that, when in reality, if
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I can just go down this this bank when I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: was doing, uh, that seemed to work fine. It really
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: depends on the water. But if you had full blown waiters,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: could you do? Oh? I did have full blown waters.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: It was just kind of do you just ago? I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: fell on the water when I was up to my
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: knees and I ruined my camera and everything, so I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just didn't It was pretty fast, and that water is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: faster there. It turns up the underneath and it makes
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it kind of a little treacherous. So a lot of rocks, yeah,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of big rocks that you kind of I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just think that it's kind of a faster spot and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: you get you follow those waiters. Maybe I'm being a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: little wimpy, but I just figured i'd be easier just
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to do it this way. So, yeah, I hear you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: still feeling good about twenty Yeah, you know, I there
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: is a dream buck on that property, and I don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: really I really don't worry about it. I just for
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: me is let's get a nice one down let's find
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: a nice one. There's plenty of them there. Uh, something's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: happened to this property. I'm not gonna go into detail,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: but it makes it more makes it a little harder
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: for people to get to certain spots. So if you're
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: not willing to put in the walking. Uh. And it
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: kind of slowed down some of the traffic foot traffic
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: this year, I noticed. And um, I think that did
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of good benefit as well. Yes,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it seems like a little honey hoole if you get
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: into it so well, then um ross, what about your
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: off season? Because we we talked to you back in
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: November after you killed that big old buck. Um. But
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I know that you're just like me in
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: that every year you're kind of overthinking everything, right right right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you probably think through everything and analyze
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: all the little things that went right or wrong last year.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And I think about you want tweak? Do you have
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: any big tweaks that you're planning for this off season?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: You know where shed season is gonna be done in
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a handful of weeks and then it's you know, either
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: food plots or tree stand prep or scouting or all
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that what's what's on your to do list for this offseason?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I think I think for next season, I'm gonna try
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to move. I'm gonna try to find something. I guess
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: where I've been focusing. I haven't hit. There hasn't been
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: anything too big lately, so I think it might depending
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: on what the cameras show and stuff like that, I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: might have to move a little bit and find something.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe I get a little bit more excited about. Um.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: The quality of books just kind of down in that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: area right now. So thinking about maybe trying some public
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: land again. Um, moving around and trying to find some books. Um.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Other than that, though, still in shed mode. And then
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Turkey Turkey mode. So you might hunt with Pete again.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah we can know it again? Nice? Yeah would you really?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah we did last We did once or twice
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, what's that like? Uh? To me, that's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: what hunting is. I guess I enjoy the camaraderie part
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: of it. Um. We talked about me buying land. There's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: some nice properties north me but I'm like, well, i'd
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: rather be next to Ross or somebody, you know, like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a buddy. Then we can kind of brainstorm together. You're
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: just five minutes apart, Timan's apart, and it just seems
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: more ideal. So, honey with Ross is always fun because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it just get the chat a little bit, or or
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you just kind of you know, you've got two minds
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: out there versus just one. So Pete Ross, what would
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you say? That's like, Oh no, it's it's a lot
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: of fun. I I miss it, Peter. Yeah, Ross says,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I walked too fast. That's the only thing. Yeah, Well,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: if you get still sweat it up like that, you
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: gotta change all your clothes by the time you get
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to stand. That's a problem. Yeah, you do. You practically run?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Does he really? Oh yeah? Is he loud? Is that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: something we gotta work? He falls a lot? Yeah, I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: do fall that ankles and knees. And we told the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: story about the climbing tree stand yet I think so yeah, yeah,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: yeah that was I tied up the bottom with twine
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and it fell. Rather than help me, rather than help
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: me right away, he just took a picture. You're just dangling.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: You thought you were just gonna bear hug the tree,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and well I kind of really have had to. I mean,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: do you really think you could have? Yeah, I'm a survivalist.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I hate to see me in bear country. Look at
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: these deer just running here. Yeah, we actually have a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of deer running around in front of the vehicle
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: right now. Mockiness the irony. I was talking about hunting strategy.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: While there's how many here are there? There was four
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: or five? Um, so you guys are hunting together when
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you do that, Ross, do you usually like to have
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Peter be the hunter? And well in this situation, you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: guys aren't filming though anymore, so what would you just
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: hunt separately? Then? Right? Yeah, we could hunt separately, but
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't I take the cameraly yea yeah, yeah, just
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: try to get it. It was fun much anything contribute
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: one more time to you if we ever could or
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: sell it to thee I'm joking that really big one.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine that would be something? Maybe that's something
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Ross and I could do as a gold this year.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can you know, we kind of know where
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it's probably living, but we don't know for sure. Maybe
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: we can do some scouting this, you know, spring or summer,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: put sets and cameras in different spots. It would be
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: fun to try to track that deer down, you know. Um, Yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it just all depends on where he's at. He's living
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: somewhere where we can get him. That would be unbelievable
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: if you guys kill that deer. Picture we got kind
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: of suggests that he was betted on public that day.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But I have a hard time believing, just with all
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the pressure that he stays there past mid October when
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: we got that picture. So I don't know. I wish
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you guys had that camera still, right, or wish it
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: hadn't get knocked over right now? Yeah, yeah, we raccoon
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: knocked it over, so we don't know what we could
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: have saw. Yea, so good. We're traveling a couple of
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: hours to get to that public, are you. That was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a long drive. That's one of the problems with that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's like seems like it's in the middle of nowhere. Okay,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, ross this season, you don't need a whole
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: lot of You don't need to do a whole lot
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of different changes in Sally Peter. You've got some tweaks
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you want to make. But this is gonna be a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: year we all all all of our our group text buddies,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: we're all convinced that when you do kill a buck
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: with your bow, it's probably gonna be like a one
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: eighty non typical giant. Um. So I'm quite certain that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some smashing success here soon. UM.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I want to tackle a couple quick listener questions before
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: we wrap up this little um BS type episode sorts,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Are you guys cool that all right? This is kind
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of just an interesting scenario to consider. Um. Someone wrote
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: in says something along the lines of, you know, it's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: not uncommon for guys to talk about seeing bucks that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: have already shed their antlers before the season is over.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So in light of this, I can't up with an
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: interesting hunting scenario. Let's say you've been running your cameras
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: all year and you have shoot, I just exit out
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: of the thing. You've been running cameras all year, and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you've got a sure enough stud on camera, plus once
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in a lifetime type buck. And for the sake of
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the story, let's say that he's highly identifiable even without
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: his antlers. So let's say maybe there's a scar in
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: his face. So you've hunted this deer all year, and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: one morning in January, you're walking to your stand and
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you stumble upon some sheds and they are obviously from
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: this buck. You pick him up and you go get
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: in the tree stand and right after daylight here he comes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: He steps out right in front of you so you
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: can take him. What do you do? Do you kill
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: that deer even though he's dropped his antlers but you
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: have the antlers? Or do you not? I'd probably kill him.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: You're choot him ross. I don't know what I think,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: so I can just do you imagine the taxi dermist
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: could Yeah, I guess that's kind of what I'm thinking.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: It's the same same deer. You got the antlers. I
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: don't know, Peter, Gosh, he's not going to shoot him.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Come on, we just talked about this for the last
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: cowny minutes. Don't shoot anything. I have actually the question.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I have actually thought about that from a standpoint. If
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you're watching it eating, you want to come in and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it one drops right there like maybe with one horn,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and you know you have the other one. I thought
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you would. I would shoot if that's a buck you
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: want and you have the handler. I mean it's a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: cool story too. Now what if he had one handler
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: dropped already but not the other. But you've got permission
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: on this farm. Nobody Let's say nobody else hunts this farm?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Do you You don't have antler in hand, though, you
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: don't have anil in hand, so you would have to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: make you'd be betting that you could find the shed.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't shoot him, Let him go. I wouldn't shoot him. No,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: what about this one when this is something you know
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I had to deal with a couple of years ago.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: What if you've got the same that you've been hunting
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: all this time and he busts off some significant portion
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: let's say half a main beam shooter, don't shoot? What
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: does he what does he look like? Let's just call
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: him a big main frame a pointer. Well, let's say
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: we'll do like the Holy Field Snare a couple of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: years ago, big main frame ab excuse me, the bust
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: off his main beam? You know, pass the G three
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: in this private republic private And let's say, are you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: if you've chased him for years and you've got close
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: many years. I think at that point it's more about
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: getting the deer than maybe the rack. Right, Yeah, maybe
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: at that point my shoot, especially if he's I'm not
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: going to really amount too much the next year. So
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Steve asked me this question though he posed. He's like, well,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: if it's not just about the antlers, if it's about
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the story, it's about the experience, the journey you've had
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: with this deer. Why you shoot him if he lost
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: his antlers completely or if he busted broth both main beams?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So would you shoot this deer if you both excuse me,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: if you've been hunting for four years over and over
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: all these encounters, but you can tell with the scarlet
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is him and he's busted both of his antlers off.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just got some spikes sticking up main beam
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: sticking up now or something? Would you shoot him? See,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would say that I probably wouldn't, but
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: wait till next year. But it kind of kills me
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: to say that, because I part of me is like,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: why does that matter? Doesn't? But I think the way
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I thought about it, if I was gonna kill this
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: deer that I've seen so many times and had experiences
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: with so many different different times, I would want to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: have that dear be the way I know him. What
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, That's where I was going. If he's not
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the memory that you have, then you're shooting something. Maybe you're, well,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: this is a double edge, but maybe not, as you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I was happy with him at that level or at
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: that Yeah, in some weird there's there's something there that
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, part of the thing is. And
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: again it's obviously not all about antlers and rack and
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: so at least not for me, um, I don't think
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: for you guys either, But you know that is it's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a physical representation of that animal
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and that experience when you have that rack on the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: wall or the mount on the wall or whatever it
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: might be. And every single time I walk into my
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: various rooms where I have deer on the wall, I
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: stopped and I look at them and I think about
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: those memories and it all comes back. I absolutely love it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I love just sitting in my main room with all
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the mounts and just looking at each one of them,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: are taking my son to each one. I love being
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: able to look back and see that and relive those moments.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And it just wouldn't be the same if you don't
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: see that same animal that you that you saw originally.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: You know, although we did have a deer once ros
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: remember twin towers m hm. He wasn't broken, but he
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: just didn't develop nice. On one side was just these
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: two twin towers the World Trade centers him off. One side.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: One was a little taller than the other. The other
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: side was a beautiful guy. He would have been a
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: one fifty one sixty class dear, let's just say one
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: fifty for sure to the other side match. But he
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: was unique and just beautiful on his own right. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: he his he was just like two huge spikes on
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: one side, and then the other side was just gorgeous.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: So I think it comes down to the eye of
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the beholder. Um. So speaking of in the eye of
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the beholder, Um, Peter, your one of my elder friends,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and at the high end of your demograph, you are
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you could be his. Yeah, I could have been actually
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: lived down by those guys. I might have tapped Mark
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: on the head one day at the candy store I
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: lived in ann Arbor slash to come see the head
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of the key be like, oh gosh, definitely one of
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the worst things he could be doing. So you're like,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you're suggesting that I did that. I didn't do that,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: but at one point I feels like I could have
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: walked by Mark and said, hey, little boy, you you
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: want some candy, You're going to run a podcast. Oh
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So this guy Um says he's forty two and he
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: just started hunting this year. He's been intrigued with the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: sport for ages and after watching in this case, it
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: was the Mediator TVO TV show he was talking about
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: UM Washington show. Listening to the podcast, he thought, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna try it out. So he went
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: out and got all the stuff he needs to hunt, weapons, gear, etcetera.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: He's got a buddy who owns a thousand acres in
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Ohio and he's ready to hunt. His big questions. He's
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: just wondering what are the top three things he needs
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to do or focus on to make two thousand nineteen
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a successful white tail hunting season. So this is obviously
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: could be a very generic question. But I want us
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to think about for a forty two year old adult
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: onset hunter. So for a new hunter, but who's who's
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: an adult at that age at that point coming into this,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: what's one thing that we could each recommend for Jim
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: shoot a dough first thing, explain why, UM, just to
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: get some experience. So shooting just get some experience shooting
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: at deer. Obviously practice and everything ahead of time, but
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: but um, shooting a dough would be a great first step.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Get some venicine, get some practice, don't worry about shooting
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: a big box or any of that stuff. Just like
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you're talking to me, Well maybe I am, And what
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: id you're listening? I think that I think sometimes listening
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: to some of this stuff for reading things, it's all
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: focused about on big box and people can get kind
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: of um. They they think they that's what they have
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to experience, or that's what they have to to h
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: or that's what's going to make a good hunt or
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a memorable hunt, and that's not the case anyway, in
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: any in any case, So I would just focus on
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: shooting a dough and and just learning about deer, watching
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: deer and starting for um, you know, starting simple. Don't
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: focus on all the yeah, find details because that will
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: come once once you get some experience. Yeah, I think
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that's I think that's really good advice and kind of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: what I was thinking too. I do think that there's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: there's something about taking those baby steps, like one step
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of the ladder at a time. And I kind of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: made the same mistake. I wish I had um started
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: shooting does earlier on because I wanted my first year
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to be a buck, and so I passed on many
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the year over the years to try to get that
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: first book. And I think I would have grown a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: lot more as a hunter more quickly if I had,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: you know, just gotten that monkey off the back. You know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I just say, shoot a dough or shoot a small buck,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: shoot the first book you see. Um, nobody cares how
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: big the buck is. That everybody's gonna be happy for you.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody the only person that cares about what you shoot
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: as yourself. Nobody cares if you shoot a big buck
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: or a little book. It's just it's it's you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: nobody's gonna remember what you shot. Nobody cares. So do
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: it for you. Yeah, do it for you. Totally agree, Peter,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you are the closest in age to this gentleman. Uh. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I would have to say, I heard a thousand acres
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and that can be very overwhelming. I think I had
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: access to five acres one time, and I tried to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: hunt the whole damn thing. I would maybe section it off,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: do your scouting and figure out where you can hunt.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Where you can't and then UM go about it that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: way that five acres I had to begin with, I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: was I was just jumping. I never really got consistent
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and everywhere. So those good Peter like that would be
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: my eyes. I think section section it off a little bit,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: figure out the best few spots in that area, and
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: then you know, go from there. Yeah, and I will
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: add that we did a podcast last summer. I think
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it was all about UM beginners deer hunting or beginner
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: deer hunting type information. It was called I think it's
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: episode two sixty maybe UM or one sixty. Gosh, I
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: should know this, UM only go well, we don't have
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: service down here and do it. But if you were
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to google the wire, wire to Hunt, Beginner's Guide to
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Deer Hunting, UM, something along those lines that I think
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: would be a good resource for you, Jim as well,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: because you know, there are a lot of new hunters
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that pop into the wire and podcast and sometimes I
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: maybe don't do a good enough job of of helping
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: those folks out because we do tend to go really
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: deep into the weeds and things UM. And it's worth
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: it's worth remembering that it is important for us all
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: the you know, try to help out those new hunters too.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the one piece of advice what
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you got here, which is sixteen Yeah, the size of
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that book we saw to sixteen Um, the size of
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the book we saw. Oh, I know what you're saying,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that too much information. I already gave too much information.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: It's like Nevery's gonna track it down. Whatever. What I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: was trying to say was that that was our advice
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to Jim. I think my advice to the rest of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: our audience is just consider trying to be a mentor
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: for a new hunter like Jim, or a young person
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: who maybe wants to get into it. Um. That's a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: goal of mine this year to try to do a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: better job of that, and um, something maybe worth considering
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: for all of us. I know, Yeah, would you consider
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: yourself a mentor? Ross to Peter, because you guys kinda
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: had a relationship like that early on. I'm pretty much,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: what do we do that first time? How did that go? Well?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I showed I showed up in tree Bark Camo. This
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: is about ninety seven. Yeah, very popular back then. Uh,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: because what are you doing? I don't I'm gonna find
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a trail and so on a rock because it was
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of rocks around, and I just pretty much said,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: all right, see you later. And I saw it. I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: saw four or five deer. Maybe that's why we had
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the conversation. We had started this podcast later, you know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: because he knew that I hunted, but I'm like, I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: never had a tree stand. He goes, Okay, We're gonna
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: go to Dick's or wherever we went and cut some
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: tree stands and climber and then it always started from there.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: So and all the adventures ensued. And here we are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: sitting in a truck treating catfish watching deer, and I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: think that is a good place for us to end
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: this quick episode. But it was a good time, guys.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me along for the shed hunt. I
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: get a kick out of every time I get to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: come out here, and whether it be deer hunting or
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: shed hunting or just b s. And it's uh, like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: you said, Peter, I think that is a very wise
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: subtle words. It is about the camaraderie. It is about
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the relationships and the people. And sometimes I'm guilty of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: getting so obsessed with the end goal of trying to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: kill a deer, I get really really into it obviously, Um,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I sometimes lose track of just the same things. And uh,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I think that something you've got very right is the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: fact that you prioritize that. And uh, thanks for being
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that role model for us, Uncle Peter. You're welcome. I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: love you. Well. There you go, folks, Thank you Peter,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: and don't be afraid to say that you're glad, glad
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you come down. It was it was a good time.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Next time you promised double digit sheds, that were aws,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little bit more skeptical. Number one
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: tip for anybody is don't count your sheds before there. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: It seems like bad luck. Yes, that's all right, next time, right,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: that's right, all right, let's shut this down and that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: will do it for this episode of the Wired Hunt podcast.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: So I will just ask you, if you haven't yet,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: feel free to hit him over to iTunes and leave
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a rating or review of this podcast. If you want
• 1:02:48
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• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: in the White tailed world, check out the wired Hunt
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Instagram account or Facebook page. And other than that, I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: would just say thank you, thanks for listening, thanks for
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: tuning in. And spending your day here with us. Best
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: of luck in the woods if you're scouting, maybe even
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: starting a turkey hunt. I know that's gonna be kicking
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: off for a lot of people. And until next time,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunk