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The Left's Strategy for Selling Socialism · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garritty of National Review.
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Speaker 1: Free Martini's coming up.
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Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Monday edition of
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Speaker 3: the three More teeny Lunch. We're going to be digging
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Speaker 3: into two very topsy turvy senate races, South Carolina and
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Speaker 3: Maine as our conversation continues today. But Jim, we start
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Speaker 3: with the left, and it's a dsa socialist drift in
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Speaker 3: certain parts of the country and in certain races that
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Speaker 3: are really not the deepest of blue. We'll see what
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Speaker 3: happens in Michigan here in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things that we always like to see.
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Speaker 3: We saw this with the Mumdani campaign last year. I
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Speaker 3: was like, Oh, it's not socialism, it's it's democratic socialism.
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Speaker 3: It's totally different. And now we're getting a better idea
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Speaker 3: of how they're selling socialism in this day and age.
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Speaker 3: And you have said this many many times. People are
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Speaker 3: being convinced it just means you're social and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: how can people be that silly? Well, here is how
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Speaker 3: it's explained.
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Speaker 4: I know I saw statistic amazing For you guys, more
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Speaker 4: than half of young Americans now prefer socialism over capitalism.
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Speaker 4: So if you can look into the camera and give
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Speaker 4: a thirty second elevator pitch on why socialism is better
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Speaker 4: than capitalism.
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Speaker 1: Community.
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Speaker 5: Are you tired of sitting alone and being by yourself
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Speaker 5: and having no one to talk to? Be a socialist.
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Speaker 5: It's all about community. It's about literally sitting down and
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Speaker 5: having coffee of random stranger and talking to them, talking
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Speaker 5: about the game. Hell, I have hugged more strangers in
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Speaker 5: this past summer because of the NIXT game, because of
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Speaker 5: the World Cup. Because socialism works is the watch parties
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Speaker 5: at a zone round hosts. It's about the parties that
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Speaker 5: we allow. You don't have cops hogging every single site
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Speaker 5: and saying, oh, you can't be here because there's too
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Speaker 5: many people, instead of allowing people just being in their nature,
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Speaker 5: a natural element of talking to other dude bond over
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Speaker 5: things we love and share. So that what socialism is,
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Speaker 5: It ain't scary word. He ain't me. Taking your house
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Speaker 5: is about me making sure you're to remain in your hands.
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Speaker 5: Some million doesn't take it from you. That's it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not what it is, Jim. I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 3: you can talk to people and have coffee without wanting
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Speaker 3: to give up your freedoms and having the government gather
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Speaker 3: more and more and more power. But the question is
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Speaker 3: is how convincing is this argument for people who you
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Speaker 3: know are young or just maybe fed up with what
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Speaker 3: they think they think of politics right now? And what's
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Speaker 3: the best counter?
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Speaker 1: Greg?
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Speaker 2: Why do I have the nagging feeling that if you
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Speaker 2: ask that guy, so, what's capitalism he would say, Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's what they do in the capitol, state capitals, national capitals,
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Speaker 2: or actually they like to use capital letters, and that's
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Speaker 2: why they're always shouting on social media.
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Speaker 1: That's what capital had got. No. No, oh, my goodness,
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Speaker 1: I do. I'm sure we're to begin.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I find it really interesting that
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Speaker 2: his defense of socialism begins with the victories of the
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Speaker 2: Knicks and the victory they Enjoinman of the World Cup.
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Speaker 2: A bunch of millionaire soccer players and a bunch of
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Speaker 2: billionaire basketball players.
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Speaker 1: This is what socialism is all about. No.
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Speaker 2: No, By the way, they did not reallocate the number
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Speaker 2: of points in the game so that each team gets
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Speaker 2: the same amount I'm kinda struck by this. But like,
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Speaker 2: on the one hand, he's basically saying, like it's good
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Speaker 2: to go out and interact with people, as as you
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Speaker 2: should go out. And when you have a cup coffee
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Speaker 2: with a stranger who's paying for the coffee, because my
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Speaker 2: guess is you're going to Starbucks, you go to some
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Speaker 2: other place, Well, someone had to buy that coffee, ergo.
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Speaker 2: It was a manifestation of capitalism not socialism there. Secondly,
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Speaker 2: other than when I'm talking with you, Greg, I really
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Speaker 2: don't want to talk to strangers when I'm having coffee. Please,
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Speaker 2: I met a mom. Let me have one cop before
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Speaker 2: we even start talking to me in the morning. That's
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Speaker 2: that's issue one there. But if that is the case,
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Speaker 2: IF's the Democratic Socialists of America who are taking over
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party with the ruthless efficiency of the borg
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Speaker 2: taking over a starfleet's crew members, assimilating them into the collective,
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Speaker 2: assimilating them into the collectivism, the warmth of collectivism that
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Speaker 2: requires you to turn down your air conditioning, as mom
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Speaker 2: Dommy said, like, if they really have convinced people that
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Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with big government, nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with government taking from people, they've deemed too productive,
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Speaker 2: who have too many resources, people who've done that.
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Speaker 1: Also, he says in.
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Speaker 2: There about some millionaire won't take your house? Now, Greg,
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Speaker 2: I know you live a little further south of me.
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Speaker 2: Have you had millionaires running in and just like taking
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Speaker 2: people's houses. No, I'm curre. You know, it's interesting how
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Speaker 2: much they talk about billionaires and all that stuff. You know,
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk can get out of my nerves every now
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Speaker 2: and then, but he's never stolen my car. I've never seen,
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Speaker 2: you know, Brinn or Warren Buffett break it into my
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Speaker 2: house try to steal some stuff. It's interesting. It's always
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Speaker 2: the folks who have less money who always see we
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Speaker 2: wanted to take stuff from me. I noticed that stuff. So,
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Speaker 2: on the one hand, like it is, he says, it's
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Speaker 2: not a scary word. Well, I guess if you redefine
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Speaker 2: it to simply mean social interactivity. But yes, it's not
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Speaker 2: such a scary word, right if you actually know what
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Speaker 2: socialism has done, particularly the variant that goes by the
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Speaker 2: name of communism.
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Speaker 1: But as we discussed numerous times in this.
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Speaker 2: Podcast, it's all very blurry, it's all it's very hard
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Speaker 2: to stare with exactly where socialism stops and communism begins.
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Speaker 2: They keep insisting true socialism has never been tried. But
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Speaker 2: then when people say, oh, but then look at Norway again.
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Speaker 2: If we had the oil and natural resources of Dorway,
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Speaker 2: we could do increase a lot of government spending.
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Speaker 1: If we had all that.
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Speaker 2: Oh you guys don't like the oil and natural gas drilling.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well that's a really big.
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Speaker 1: Flaw in your plan. Then.
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Speaker 2: So it's kind of sad, Like it's sad but revealing,
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Speaker 2: and I guess I'm glad.
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Speaker 1: We get to see these kinds of interviews.
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Speaker 2: But also it's interesting demonstration that the people who are
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Speaker 2: out there calling for socialism. It's reminded me of the
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Speaker 2: people were saying from the river to the sea, Palestine
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Speaker 2: will be free. It had no idea which river and
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Speaker 2: which sea they were talking about, like geography, economics generally,
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Speaker 2: Like we really need just remedial education in like like this.
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Speaker 1: Is a pen. Really basic stuff needs to get across
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Speaker 1: to these people.
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Speaker 3: No, it's true, but it's a compelling message. If you're
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Speaker 3: young and maybe you're just getting into politics, says hey,
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Speaker 3: this is about just doing stuff together and we're hanging
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Speaker 3: out everybody's having fun. And you know, we had Marco
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Speaker 3: Rubio's speech on Friday about where this really leads, and
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Speaker 3: so I think that would be a pretty effective counter effect.
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Speaker 3: But maybe that's a little too formal. What's the best
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Speaker 3: way to I know you and I aren't twenty something anymore,
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Speaker 3: but how do you counter that when this guy seems
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Speaker 3: oh so friendly and this is just us hanging out?
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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is you know point of like,
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Speaker 2: where do you think that coffee came from? Where do
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Speaker 2: you think the cafe you're sitting in? You do you
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Speaker 2: think it's getting a state subsidy? No, you know, you're
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Speaker 2: not hanging out at a city run grocery store. You're
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Speaker 2: not sitting around in a government building or something like that.
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Speaker 2: All of these things are the fruits of capitalism. It
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Speaker 2: a only seems ridiculous to argue against that. But honest
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Speaker 2: to goodness, Greg, do you think that if you and
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Speaker 2: I describe ourselves as being anti socialist, people think we
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Speaker 2: are literally antisocial budgeonly every now and then. But I
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Speaker 2: think of myself as a fairly social person. We're on
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Speaker 2: social media at this moment.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, so yes, education is the key, and let's
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Speaker 3: hope we can do it in a create way. Because
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Speaker 3: if this is an effective message, and at least it
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Speaker 3: is in some parts of the country, New York City
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Speaker 3: It is now July twentieth, Happy Moonlanding Day to all
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Speaker 3: who celebrate fifty seven years ago. But up in Maine,
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Speaker 3: they are now seven days away from the Democratic Party
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Speaker 3: having to officially name a replacement to Grand Platineer On
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Speaker 3: the line of the US Senate on the November ballot,
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Speaker 3: and it looks like we're already at the point where
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Speaker 3: Troy Jackson is going to be that new nominee. In fact,
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Speaker 3: all the other major challengers have dropped out of the
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Speaker 3: race because he's pretty much locked up these delegates that
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Speaker 3: have been selected recently to make this decision. Remember it's
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Speaker 3: not another primary. It's literally six hundred and one people
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Speaker 3: in Maine Democrats picking this new nominee. So politico with
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Speaker 3: the story, Troy Jackson is a near lock to be
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Speaker 3: Maine's Democratic Senate nominee and officially replaced scandal plagued former
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Speaker 3: nominee Graham Platner on the November ballot, but he still
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Speaker 3: has to escape the shadow of Platner's meteoric campaign and
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Speaker 3: disastrous collapse. Even as Jackson dominated the weekend's county delegate conventions,
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Speaker 3: showing organizing strength that will benefit his campaign through November,
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Speaker 3: many main Democrats expressed frustrations with the makeshift nomination process
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Speaker 3: triggered by platinum last minute resignation, and raised concerns about
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Speaker 3: Jackson's ability to carry the torch of the high energy
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Speaker 3: populist movement ignited by Platinner. And so you know, this
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Speaker 3: guy finished third in the Democratic primary for governor just
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Speaker 3: last month. By the way, the guy who won that
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Speaker 3: primary ended up losing because of ranked choice voting. On
10:19
Speaker 3: another reason to hate ranked choice voting, but in any way,
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Speaker 3: So Troy Jackson's going to be the nominee. They're going
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Speaker 3: to validate this officially in the next few days, and
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Speaker 3: then he will face Susan Collins. Jackson ran at the
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Speaker 3: hip of Graham Platner in his gubminatorial campaign this year,
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Speaker 3: so kind of separating himself from that could be a
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Speaker 3: little bit difficult. And also a number of years ago,
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Speaker 3: he was a rock ribbed Republican, So I don't know
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Speaker 3: how many people on the left trust him in that sense.
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Speaker 3: But Susan Collins, I don't know how she's feeling about this.
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Speaker 4: Jim.
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Speaker 3: By the way, when it comes to Platner, Gosh, they
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Speaker 3: still love Graham Plattner. Politico says he's a gifted public
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Speaker 3: speaker whose candidacy thrilled and galvanized the Democratic base before
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Speaker 3: a series of scandals forced him out of the race.
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Speaker 3: And then they go on to say how he still
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Speaker 3: denies all that. But what do you make of what
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Speaker 3: the Democrats are putting together on the fly. Here.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Greg, you know who else was a
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Speaker 1: gifted public orator.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're deliberately setting me up for these,
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Speaker 2: but I just I appreciate the set the spike.
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Speaker 1: It works very well, like volleyball. So I imagine if
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Speaker 1: you're a main like we made.
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Speaker 2: Fun of some of the lesser known candidates in the debate,
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Speaker 2: I suppose they should be glad that they had one.
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Speaker 2: I don't if you're gonna go ahead with that second
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Speaker 2: one that was supposed to be organized by CNN and
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Speaker 2: the Banker Daily News. And I suppose if you're a
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Speaker 2: main Democrat, you know, like, on the one hand, it
11:38
Speaker 2: seemed a little silly to have a campaign including televised
11:42
Speaker 2: debates when the decision was going to be made by
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Speaker 2: six hundred and one main delegates, But fine, like, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, at least you went through it. And now it
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Speaker 1: sounds like it's done.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like it's going to be Troy Jackson, and
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Speaker 2: it sounds like, you know, almost everybody else has dropped
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Speaker 2: out in theory. I guess if you're a main Democrat, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is good We're unifying behind one guy pretty quick.
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Speaker 2: As you ment, Troy Jackson is not a whirling dervish
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Speaker 2: overall political charisma's I'm going to use a very painful
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Speaker 2: metaphor here, Greg, and maybe it was only a certain
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Speaker 2: portion of our audience is probably going to get this,
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Speaker 2: But Troy Jackson is Trevor Simeon, And for the non
12:16
Speaker 2: NFL fans, I'll take it back to I'm not saying
12:19
Speaker 2: it's the most painful moment of my life, but maybe
12:21
Speaker 2: in the top ten Opening day Jets season Monday night,
12:26
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers terraces Achilles at is out for the year
12:29
Speaker 2: the Jets and backup quarterback is Zach Wilson. He was
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Speaker 2: actually won that game against Buffalo that night, but the
12:34
Speaker 2: Jets needed at that point in the season. There just
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Speaker 2: aren't that many free agents sitting around. Trevor Simeon, who
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Speaker 2: had been with the Broncos a couple of years earlier,
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Speaker 2: gets signed. Takes him a couple of weeks, and it's
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Speaker 2: not like Trevor Seman was any you know, was great,
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Speaker 2: you know, towards the end of the season was okay
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Speaker 2: at best. Right, Troy Jackson is your emergency third string
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Speaker 2: quarterback Troy Jackson is the guy, and you know, break
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Speaker 2: glass take him out, and you just can't have particularly
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Speaker 2: high expectations. Now, what makes this really interesting is that
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Speaker 2: we don't know how the Senate racers are going to
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Speaker 2: shake out, but it looks, as I say, the cement
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Speaker 2: is drawing. If you're a Democrat, you got to hope
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Speaker 2: on Like Taller Rico in Texas, you have to start
13:09
Speaker 2: hoping for some long shot to break your way. If
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Speaker 2: l Said is the nominee, then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: Rogers looks like a pretty decent shot. In the state
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Speaker 2: of Michigan and all that stuff, it is conceivable that
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Speaker 2: on election night or shortly thereafter, or however many weeks
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Speaker 2: it takes her California to finish counting the votes, we
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Speaker 2: will see a Republicans keeping control of the Senate, and
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Speaker 2: we'll be able to say, look, knocking off Susan Collins
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Speaker 2: was never going to be easy, but once Platner was
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Speaker 2: the nominee, it was pretty much doomed. And I say,
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Speaker 2: because there's no way Platner, with all of his scandals,
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Speaker 2: would have beaten Susan Collins. And I think Troy Jackson
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Speaker 2: no offense to him. But like, this is a really
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Speaker 2: tall order and the guy who just came in third
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Speaker 2: in the governor's race is not bringing a sterling resume.
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Speaker 2: Collins has got eleven million in the bank, huge name.
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Speaker 1: I d she usually.
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Speaker 2: Outperforms her poll numbers. Main Democrats look like moron because
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Speaker 2: they nominated a Nazi rapist. If Republicans keep control of
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Speaker 2: the Senate, did it all come down to the main
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Speaker 2: Democrats choosing to nominate Graham Platner? Look, was Janet Mills
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Speaker 2: any great shakes? No, she was gonna be the oldest
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Speaker 2: first term senator ever elected if she'd won. But like,
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Speaker 2: it's one of those things where like you looked at Collins.
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Speaker 2: This is a state that Democrats. It's a classic purple state.
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Speaker 2: Democrats win the overall state vote total, they usually get
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Speaker 2: three of the four electoral votes. This is one of
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Speaker 2: the states that splits them. They really should have had
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Speaker 2: a chance here. This will not be a terribly exciting
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Speaker 2: or competitive Senate race by the time we get to
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Speaker 2: October and November. And I think there's been a lot
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Speaker 2: of fingerpointing of what platin Ormania may have actually determined
14:42
Speaker 2: control of the Senate in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Bernie, thanks for that much on Rocanna.
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Speaker 1: Good job everybody you know, Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 2: You know Reuben Diego, good guy, great character references here.
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Speaker 1: Wow, good call guys. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: How do you think Janet mills Field? She thought she
14:59
Speaker 3: was riding high because she stood up to Trump at
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Speaker 3: that one governor's meeting about the lawsuits and boys and
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Speaker 3: girls sports and that sort of thing. And then she
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Speaker 3: launches this Senate campaign thinking she's on a glide path.
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Speaker 3: The party overwhelmingly rejects her. Platner flames out with scandal.
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Speaker 3: There's absolutely no movement whatsoever to then bring her back
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Speaker 3: at all. So then have to bring back all these
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Speaker 3: people that just lost in the primary running for other races.
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Speaker 3: She's going to be leaving office pretty quietly. I think
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Speaker 3: now that her own party has proven multiple times they
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Speaker 3: want nothing to do with her.
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Speaker 2: It may well be that it post Biden, any candidate
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Speaker 2: or her age was going to have a really tough
15:35
Speaker 2: time closing the deal. But having said that she won statewide,
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Speaker 2: you know, you would have figured she would have at
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Speaker 2: least gotten serious consideration, and it looks like main Democrats
15:45
Speaker 2: did not do that. And one of the the fascinating things.
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Speaker 2: How she went from the flavor of the month for
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Speaker 2: standing up to Trump within less.
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Speaker 1: Than a year. She was seen as the old, tired
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Speaker 1: establishment that needed to be cast aside in exchange for
15:56
Speaker 1: you know, Nazi tattoo guy.
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. All right, Well, we'll see it official here
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Speaker 3: in the next few days, and then we'll see how
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Speaker 3: the campaign unfolds. It's still gonna be a tight race
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Speaker 3: up in Maine. The people that don't like Susan Collins
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Speaker 3: still don't like Susan Collins. But I don't think Troy
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Speaker 3: Jackson's gonna motivate a ton of people. And I'm guessing
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Speaker 3: there's perhaps some things in his past too, not like
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Speaker 3: Grand Platin.
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Speaker 1: Hi bar to clear.
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Speaker 3: You know, every controversy involving Troy Jackson's gonna end up
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Speaker 3: with well, at least you want a Nazi.
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18:00
Speaker 3: over to South Carolina, and on August eleventh, Republicans will
18:04
Speaker 3: head to the polls to select a US Senate nominee.
18:08
Speaker 3: And if somebody gets fifty percent, that'll be the end
18:10
Speaker 3: of it. If nobody gets to fifty percent, they'll go
18:13
Speaker 3: to August twenty fifth in a runoff of the top
18:15
Speaker 3: two vote getters. On August eleventh, and so there's a
18:18
Speaker 3: couple people already in. Ralph Norman, congressman who had just
18:22
Speaker 3: unsuccessfully run for governor, is in. Also Russell Fry, a
18:25
Speaker 3: sitting member of Congress. But Donald Trump, once again trying
18:30
Speaker 3: to put his thumb on the scale here. He did
18:32
Speaker 3: the same thing in pushing Governor Henry McMaster to nominate
18:36
Speaker 3: Graham's sister, Darleyne grab Nordone to be the temporary appointee
18:41
Speaker 3: the interim senator for the rest of Graham's term here
18:43
Speaker 3: over the next final months. But it is now Trump
18:45
Speaker 3: trying to convince Darley and Graham to run for the
18:48
Speaker 3: full six year term. Part of his statement says that
18:52
Speaker 3: he was honored to have her to the Oval office
18:53
Speaker 3: after she was sworn in a senator, and he says
18:56
Speaker 3: during her visit, I asked Darlene for the good of
18:58
Speaker 3: our nation to run for the US Senate this special
19:00
Speaker 3: Republican primary on Tuesday, August eleventh, twenty twenty six. I
19:04
Speaker 3: hope Darlene does this and that there would be nobody
19:06
Speaker 3: better to honor the legacy of her beloved brother Lindsey.
19:09
Speaker 3: Darlene comes from an incredible family. It has been a
19:11
Speaker 3: total winner all of her life, and should she accept
19:13
Speaker 3: has my complete and total endorsement, and so, Jim, this
19:17
Speaker 3: is frustrating on multiple levels. First of all, I think
19:19
Speaker 3: there was an understanding that the appointee would not be
19:21
Speaker 3: running for the full six year term. And secondly, as
19:25
Speaker 3: you pointed out in her email today, I'm.
19:27
Speaker 1: Sure she's a good sister.
19:28
Speaker 3: But what else do we know about Darlene Mariam.
19:30
Speaker 1: At this point? Very little?
19:32
Speaker 2: There will be a campaign for this seat, but it's
19:35
Speaker 2: going to be very abbreviated. If no candidate gets fifty percent,
19:38
Speaker 2: there'll be a run off between the top two finishers.
19:39
Speaker 2: So maybe that would give, you know, voters more time
19:42
Speaker 2: to become familiar with the candidates. But there's a very
19:45
Speaker 2: big difference between effectively a placeholder senator for six months.
19:49
Speaker 2: January third is the day that the new Senators get
19:52
Speaker 2: sworn in and a six year term. I'm sure Darlene
19:56
Speaker 2: Graham is a wonderful person. It's less than ideal to
19:59
Speaker 2: have a family member appointed, and these are your Senate
20:01
Speaker 2: seats or not family heirlooms. But fine, I'm sure she'll
20:04
Speaker 2: be fine. Usually assume she's a Republican. I know she
20:07
Speaker 2: loves her brother. I assume she's got views that are comparable.
20:12
Speaker 1: To his is. But we don't really know that, now,
20:14
Speaker 1: do we.
20:15
Speaker 2: If it was one of those things, like if she had,
20:17
Speaker 2: like I don't know, a couple months in the job
20:19
Speaker 2: before we were going to have an election for this
20:23
Speaker 2: new nominee, then maybe you'd at least be able to
20:25
Speaker 2: judge her on her time in the Senate, the votes
20:27
Speaker 2: she's taken. Has she even given a major address, Has
20:32
Speaker 2: she given a speech, has she done any interviews? At
20:35
Speaker 2: this point, we just don't know very much about her,
20:36
Speaker 2: and it just doesn't seem like I guess I'm not
20:41
Speaker 2: surprised that President Trump is weighing in and saying she
20:43
Speaker 2: should serve the full six year term. There are a
20:46
Speaker 2: couple of folks who've jumped into this race, and you know,
20:48
Speaker 2: something like all of them have records and government, or
20:51
Speaker 2: most of them do, and it just seems like that's
20:54
Speaker 2: something that should matter. Sympathy for the grand family, that's
20:58
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing to have. But to paraphrase the former
21:01
Speaker 2: governor of Illinois, a Senate seat is a is a
21:04
Speaker 2: bleeping valuable thing, and it's particularly a six year term.
21:07
Speaker 2: So you just kind of figure this is the sort
21:10
Speaker 2: of thing that the voter should be fully informed on.
21:14
Speaker 2: And I think until a couple, you know, weeks ago,
21:17
Speaker 2: most people, even while South Carolinians certainly didn't know much
21:20
Speaker 2: about her, didn't know much about her views on policy,
21:24
Speaker 2: what she would want to do as a senator, things
21:26
Speaker 2: like that, And I just I don't think you can
21:28
Speaker 2: handwave this sort of stuff. So seeing this rush to
21:31
Speaker 2: make her the next senator for the next six years.
21:34
Speaker 2: I'm not loving that, and I kind of feel like
21:35
Speaker 2: it's serving this people of the state of South Carolina poorly.
21:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, Usually when Trump does an endorsement, he always says,
21:42
Speaker 3: you know, she's great on the border and guns and
21:44
Speaker 3: national security and our great military, and maybe she would
21:47
Speaker 3: be I don't know, but it's probably mentioned that we
21:51
Speaker 3: don't know. It's like in Diehard when Duynete Robinson first
21:54
Speaker 3: shows up and al Palell doesn't know a lot, but
21:56
Speaker 3: he's given him the fragments of why he thinks, you know,
21:59
Speaker 3: the situation is the way it is, and basically Robin says,
22:02
Speaker 3: we don't know squat Powell to clean it up. And
22:04
Speaker 3: that's kind of where we are on this. I mean,
22:06
Speaker 3: if she does run, I'm sure she'll express reviews on
22:08
Speaker 3: some stuff, but I think the people of South Carolina
22:11
Speaker 3: we're expecting, you know, kind of a free shot at
22:13
Speaker 3: this and not having the interim senator put upon them
22:17
Speaker 3: in the primary.
22:18
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, I don't know, But do you have
22:20
Speaker 1: David Suitor trauma.
22:22
Speaker 2: Like this this sense, Yes, yes, that's a Supreme Court justice,
22:26
Speaker 2: but it's that same sense of when somebody you don't
22:28
Speaker 2: really end up, Harriet Myers, right with somebody who everybody's
22:32
Speaker 2: telling you is great, but you don't know much about it.
22:34
Speaker 2: They don't have a paper trail, and they don't have
22:36
Speaker 2: a long record of the job that they're going to
22:39
Speaker 2: be into. Obviously, it'd be a six year term. I
22:41
Speaker 2: Darling Greb would probably be fine, and I'm perfectly fine
22:44
Speaker 2: with having let's see how things go for the next
22:46
Speaker 2: six months. But I think you know, you can't just
22:48
Speaker 2: you can't just hand somebody a six year Senate term
22:50
Speaker 2: and you know, assume things are going to work out.
22:52
Speaker 1: I'll key you worry. Yeah.
22:53
Speaker 3: The other thing here that that kind of bugs me,
22:55
Speaker 3: And I know he's trying to be nice. There's no
22:57
Speaker 3: better way to honor the legacy of her beloved brother
23:00
Speaker 3: than to elect her to the Senate. That's not why
23:03
Speaker 3: you should be voting for someone for the United States Senate.
23:05
Speaker 3: As much as you may like Lindsay Graham. It's the
23:07
Speaker 3: same thing with the Russian sanctions bill. It might be
23:09
Speaker 3: a great bill, but people are like, oh, we should
23:11
Speaker 3: do this to honor Lindsay. No, you should do it
23:12
Speaker 3: because you think it's the right thing to do.
23:14
Speaker 2: What's the best way to honor Lindsey Graham. I think
23:16
Speaker 2: seeing Russia get kicked out of the Ukraine that'd be
23:18
Speaker 2: pretty awesome. That'd be a pretty awesome way to honor them.
23:20
Speaker 2: But yes, I think that you are correct that like
23:24
Speaker 2: this is kind of tugging at the heartstrings, and I
23:27
Speaker 2: think everybody was kind of shocked and horrified to the
23:30
Speaker 2: passing of Lindsay Graham. I was just talking to my
23:32
Speaker 2: folks last night. My dad was talking about all the
23:34
Speaker 2: times he had a chance to meet him. People are
23:36
Speaker 2: really sad about this, But that doesn't mean that the
23:39
Speaker 2: right You know that therefore, you know Lindsey Graham's sister
23:42
Speaker 2: should be the Senator for the next six years. That
23:44
Speaker 2: is not followed by logic. And can't agree with the
23:47
Speaker 2: president on this one.
23:47
Speaker 3: Well, of course, underpinning all of this, as we've said
23:49
Speaker 3: all along, is the is the death of Lindsay Graham.
23:52
Speaker 3: But when we come back, New Life will celebrate in
23:55
Speaker 3: just a moment, all right, Jim Chaser for today. Great
24:02
Speaker 3: news yesterday Vice President Ja d Vance and his wife
24:04
Speaker 3: Usha announcing the birth of their fourth child. It is
24:08
Speaker 3: a boy, Alec Neil Vance. Everybody's doing fine. They have
24:12
Speaker 3: four kids now, and I know everybody already knew this,
24:15
Speaker 3: but I'm going to point out that he's the first
24:17
Speaker 3: sitting vice president to have a child since Skyler Colfax,
24:22
Speaker 3: Grant's first vice president, way back in eighteen seventy. So
24:25
Speaker 3: pressure friends with that one.
24:27
Speaker 2: I was going to say one, you know, warmest wishes
24:30
Speaker 2: and happiest thoughts to the Vance family. Every birth is
24:33
Speaker 2: just a joyous occasion. You know, little Alec is going
24:37
Speaker 2: to grow up in a really unique set of circumstances,
24:40
Speaker 2: and I suspect the Vice President might have.
24:43
Speaker 1: Some sleepless nights or might not be getting as much
24:45
Speaker 1: sleep as he's used to.
24:47
Speaker 2: I have my disagreements with the Vice president, and he is,
24:50
Speaker 2: you know, strikingly young for the position that he's in.
24:53
Speaker 2: But I will take the challenges of a younger than
24:56
Speaker 2: usual president or vice president to the challenges we I've
25:00
Speaker 2: seen with recent presidents getting up there in years. And
25:03
Speaker 2: it's going to be fun to see toddler, you know,
25:06
Speaker 2: little footsteps and crying babies around the Naval Observatory.
25:10
Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe the White House is in point
25:11
Speaker 1: in the future.
25:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, you know they're getting that place out
25:14
Speaker 3: in farm country in Virginia. So maybe it's like I'm
25:17
Speaker 3: staying there till the baby's sleeping through the night. Kind
25:19
Speaker 3: of a thing. I don't know, but anyway, best wishes
25:22
Speaker 3: to the Vances. They got a nine year old, a
25:24
Speaker 3: six year old to four year old, and a newborn,
25:25
Speaker 3: so you're playing zone defense and good luck. So anyway,
25:29
Speaker 3: great news, Jim, have a great day. See tomorrow.
25:31
Speaker 1: See tomorrow, Greg.
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