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Health Minister Natasha Fyles explains the new CHO directions, and what we can expect when the Stronger Futures legislation ends making way for alcohol on community · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Now, late yesterday, as we've discussed and mentioned earlier this morning,
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  Speaker 1: we learned that those close contacts who are triple vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: will no longer have to isolate. The new rules will
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  Speaker 1: require close contacts to undertake a rapid antigen test within
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  Speaker 1: the first three days of becoming a close contact. They'll
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  Speaker 1: then need to take another test on day six. Now
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  Speaker 1: joining me on the line to tell us a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more about the situation is the Health Minister Attasha Files.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Minister.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Why was the decision made to change the close contact rules.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw late last week HPPC matts and we
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  Speaker 3: saw a number of jurisdictions announce changes. We here in
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  Speaker 3: the territory had a sempse. We also had another SEMPC
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow and our health team, the Chief Health Officer's Office,
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  Speaker 3: worked very hard on this looking at the territory's contact
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  Speaker 3: We have seen an increase of cases lately, but we
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen a correlation in the increase of ICU and
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  Speaker 3: oxygen cases. We do have a number of people Katie
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  Speaker 3: in hospital and I acknowledge our frontline health staff the
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  Speaker 3: caring for them in that acute hospital setting. That we
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  Speaker 3: had that information nationally and we just took the time
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  Speaker 3: to make sure this was the right decision for the territory.
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  Speaker 3: But it's another step of transitioning from a pandemic to
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  Speaker 3: an endemic. The removal of isolation for close contacts who
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  Speaker 3: are fully vaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially, if you are triple vaccinated or if you're
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  Speaker 1: a triple vax close contact, you no longer need to
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  Speaker 1: isolate for seven days, but you are still going to
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  Speaker 1: need to test yourself, correct.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, So it's the same testing regime or a test
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  Speaker 3: within three days and a test on day six. You
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  Speaker 3: also need to avoid those high risk settings such as
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  Speaker 3: a hospital, a prison, and age care facility. You must
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  Speaker 3: wear a face mask if you are outside, both indoors
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  Speaker 3: and outdoors, if you can't physically distance, and you also
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  Speaker 3: need to notify your employer or your educational facility your
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  Speaker 3: school that you are a close contact. The reasoning for
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  Speaker 3: this is just around work health and safety. In the workplace,
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  Speaker 3: an employer can make a decision there may be someone
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  Speaker 3: who's particularly vulnerable. They can just work through those individual arrangements.
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  Speaker 3: But you can leave the home if you follow those criteria.
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  Speaker 1: Now we also know that the definition of fully vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: for the Northern territories changed as well. Fully vaccinated now
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  Speaker 1: means that you have to have had those three vaccinations.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we not in line with other states on this?
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, we know with Omicron that the third vaccine
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  Speaker 3: is just vital and we have seen significant increases. We
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  Speaker 3: spoke last week it was about sixty two percent of
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  Speaker 3: people that had that third dose. We've seen that increase
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  Speaker 3: to about seventy percent. So territorians are listening to the messages.
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  Speaker 3: But that third dose is particularly important with OMICRON, and
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  Speaker 3: so to be eligible as to have the status of
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  Speaker 3: fully vaccinated and not have to do isolation as a
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  Speaker 3: close contact, you do need to have had that third dose.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now that vaccine mandate is indeed in place now
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  Speaker 1: as well, how many public servants didn't meet those vaccination rules?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, it'll take a few days, anticipating about ten
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  Speaker 3: days to calibrate the exact figures, but we're expecting the
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  Speaker 3: compliance to be very similar to the first two mandates,
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  Speaker 3: which was about ninety eight percent. We're just working through
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  Speaker 3: with managers. Information goes through to the Office of the
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  Speaker 3: Commission for public employment, and we people who may have
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  Speaker 3: recently had COVID, they do have sixteen weeks grace to
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  Speaker 3: get that third dose. You may have people that are
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  Speaker 3: on leave. So it's just working through all that. But
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  Speaker 3: we'll certainly have those figures in the coming days.
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  Speaker 2: Minister. Somebody's text through and said, can you please ask.
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  Speaker 1: Minister files are we going to have COVID number updates
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  Speaker 1: for the next ten years or when will we stop
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  Speaker 1: reporting these case numbers?
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, we're in a pandemic. I think that the
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  Speaker 3: point is that you know, at some point we hopefully
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  Speaker 3: transition to the endemic. This is a global situation. It's
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  Speaker 3: not just our jurisdiction that's placing this. I know people
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  Speaker 3: are fatigued about talking about COVID, but it is really
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  Speaker 3: important public health information. But we've certainly shifted our messaging
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  Speaker 3: to making sure that the information is available. There's a
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  Speaker 3: large number of pieces want that information, but at the
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  Speaker 3: same time not hyping that up, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this situation with liquor licenses
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  Speaker 1: on remote communities. It continues to be discussed on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Three indigenous groups are calling on the Northern Territory government
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  Speaker 1: to immediately shelve the legislation that could allow takeaway alcohol
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  Speaker 1: into more than four hundred and thirty community living areas,
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  Speaker 1: town camps and other small communities from mid July. You
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  Speaker 1: and I have spoken about this on numerous occasions. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance of the Northern Territory am
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  Speaker 1: SAND John Patterson joined me on the show. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what John had to say yesterday. Are you
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  Speaker 1: saying that there's been no consultation really with the likes
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  Speaker 1: of amsand that is managing the health of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Indigenous territories and helping with the health facilitation in
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  Speaker 1: so many of these locations.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing, nothing or the series nature, Katie, We're not talking
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  Speaker 4: about serious. I mean official meetings with our hierarchy, with
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  Speaker 4: our leadership group, with the leadership of government, with politicians.
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  Speaker 4: We want to sit around the table with politicians, not
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  Speaker 4: seeing your bureaucrats. Yep, this is how serious it is, Katie.
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  Speaker 4: We want politicians to sit around the table and justify
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  Speaker 4: and inform us as to why they believe that they
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  Speaker 4: should open up alcohol back in the community where flabagased
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  Speaker 4: just got no idea what the urgency is around this.
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  Speaker 1: Minister, why hasn't the government consulted the likes of Amstandt
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  Speaker 1: And yesterday we also heard from the Police Association on
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  Speaker 1: this legislation.
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  Speaker 3: So Katie, I think it's important for people to understand
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  Speaker 3: what is actually happening here. So the intervention, which then
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  Speaker 3: transitions to the Stronger Futures legislation is a Commonwealth piece
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  Speaker 3: of legislation that will end in July. So we could
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  Speaker 3: sit and do nothing, and what will happen in July
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  Speaker 3: is that every one of those remote communities, an outstation,
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  Speaker 3: a town camp, people will be able to drink alcohol
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  Speaker 3: in those communities. We have bought into the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 3: Parliament a piece of legislation that will allow communities, if
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  Speaker 3: they opt in, to remain dry for up to two
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  Speaker 3: years whilst they decide whether they would like to continue
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  Speaker 3: to be a dry community or whether people can drink
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  Speaker 3: in that community. So this is commonwealth legislation ending. We
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't have the ability to continue that legislation. It's commonwealth
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  Speaker 3: that we would have, you know, if it has been
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  Speaker 3: subject to racial discrimination claims. But what we're doing is
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  Speaker 3: bringing in an interim piece of legislation that would allow
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  Speaker 3: communities to make a decision separately to that is lecal
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  Speaker 3: licenses and clubs in communities. So yes, the ending of
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  Speaker 3: stronger futures. Presently, to have a liquor license in a
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  Speaker 3: remote community you have to go through both the Northern
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  Speaker 3: Territory government process and the Commonwealth government has to tick
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  Speaker 3: off on that. And that's we've talked about this before, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: whenever locations with the Federal Minister. So it's incredibly complex
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  Speaker 3: for people to understand.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying that that doesn't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what's happened to you that you know that
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  Speaker 1: you've got different, different organizations that don't understand the legislation.
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  Speaker 3: So John partisan Pado someone that I respect enormously and
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  Speaker 3: I was in contact with him yesterday. But what it
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  Speaker 3: is is you've got a Commonwealth piece of legislation ending.
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  Speaker 3: What we are attempting to do is what we've introduced
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  Speaker 3: to the Northern Territory Parliament is a bill to allow
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  Speaker 3: the status quo to continue. So it is what people
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  Speaker 3: are calling for, just more time. But what has to happen, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: is the community has to opt in. So you've got
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  Speaker 3: a community, for example, looka it's presently a dry community.
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  Speaker 3: All looker community wants this legislation in the territory passes,
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  Speaker 3: they just have to say we're locked into that, and
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  Speaker 3: that community would remain dry whilst they can decide if
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  Speaker 3: there is any provision of alcoholic But.
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  Speaker 1: So once that legislation passes, essentially those communities have to
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  Speaker 1: decide whether yes, they want to remain status quo and
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  Speaker 1: they do not want to lique a license or the
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  Speaker 1: other option is that they go through the process of
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  Speaker 1: getting a liquor license. There's not a situation here where
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  Speaker 1: once the legislation passes, there will be alcohol allowed in
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  Speaker 1: the community.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, You've nearly got it and with most respects. So
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  Speaker 3: there's two parts to it. So in terms of a
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  Speaker 3: liquor license and a license venue, they still have to
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  Speaker 3: go through the Northern Territory licensing approval process. So you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to suddenly see four hundred odd clubs, you know,
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  Speaker 3: pubs licenses in remote communities. But what you will see
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  Speaker 3: in July, when stronger pictures of federal legislation ends, is
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  Speaker 3: you'll see alcohol can be consumed.
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  Speaker 1: In promote so they can take alcohol into those communities,
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  Speaker 1: says take they can get takeaway alcohol and take it
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  Speaker 1: into those communities once that stronger Futures legislation ends.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, unless the community opts in to this legislation that
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  Speaker 3: we've got in the Northern Territory Parliament that provides that
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for them. We've got a buil it's called the
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  Speaker 3: Association's and Liquor Amendment Bill twenty twenty two, and that
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  Speaker 3: would provide a legal mechanism for a community to opt
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  Speaker 3: in and remain a dry community and people can't drink
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  Speaker 3: in that community.
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  Speaker 1: So understandably then I guess some of these communities are
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  Speaker 1: concerned if they've been dry for an awfully long period
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  Speaker 1: of time and now from July, once that legislation passes
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  Speaker 1: from July, they will be able to have alcohol in
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  Speaker 1: that community unless they're community leaders opt to not allow
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  Speaker 1: that takeaway alcohol.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, So, as stronger futures end, we've provided a sunset
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  Speaker 3: clause I suppose you could call it, which would allow
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  Speaker 3: community continue to be dry. But we need the community leadership,
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  Speaker 3: we need local decision making to make that. We can't
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  Speaker 3: force that upon a community. If we were to do that, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: that would intertwine with the Antidiscrimination Act, potentially the Commonwealth
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  Speaker 3: Racial Discrimination Acts.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially you're doing this framework, doing this because you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be racist.
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  Speaker 3: We want to allow communities to decide if they would
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  Speaker 3: like to remain dry. This is a legal mechanism for
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  Speaker 3: them to do so.
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  Speaker 1: Should there have been that consultation though with some pretty
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  Speaker 1: key groups, I would think, you know the likes of
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  Speaker 1: AM Sant and indeed the Police Association, the Katie.
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  Speaker 3: I'll always accept the criticism around consultation, but I have
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  Speaker 3: been talking about this, I have met some of the
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal medical organizations around it. It's certainly been a conversation
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  Speaker 3: that has been had for some time. There is formal
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  Speaker 3: communications with the Chief Minister and Cabinet Office. But I'll
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  Speaker 3: take on board that feedback from PADO and others. But
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  Speaker 3: Katie's strongest features is ending in July, and that's the
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  Speaker 3: end of the intervention. As I've just outlined and I
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  Speaker 3: won't repeat it. If your listeners provides a mechanism for
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  Speaker 3: remote communities, outstations, town camps to remain if they wish to.
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  Speaker 1: Be, would it be a better option to go the
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  Speaker 1: opposite way? And those that have been dry remain dry
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  Speaker 1: unless they actually apply to have that license and it's
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  Speaker 1: led by the community, So.
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  Speaker 3: We can't legally do that. That would intertwine with the
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  Speaker 3: Anti Discrimination Act in the territory and the Racial District
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  Speaker 3: Nation Act Commonwealth. So if we're providing that exact legislative framework,
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  Speaker 3: all the community has to do is say we opt in,
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  Speaker 3: and they can opt in for a period of time.
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  Speaker 3: They can opt intill Christmas when they've made a decision.
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  Speaker 3: You've got some communities and we saw Barunga recently obtain
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  Speaker 3: a liquor license and they're managing that in their community.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, there is the ability for them to opt
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  Speaker 3: in and make these decisions in their own time. They
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  Speaker 3: just need to sinkly opt in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I don't necessarily disagree. I think that there
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  Speaker 1: is communities that, you know, if it's community led and
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  Speaker 1: they do want this to happen and the community is
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  Speaker 1: fine with it, I think that you know, that is
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  Speaker 1: well and truly a decision that that community can make,
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  Speaker 1: whichever community we're talking about. But I guess what we
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  Speaker 1: also have here is a situation where you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Police Association are quite concerned that we could indeed see
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  Speaker 1: see issues and potential issues in those communities if there
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  Speaker 1: is takeaway alcohol automatically allowed into them from July.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, There's been conversations and I've been at the table
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  Speaker 3: with a deputy Police commissioner the Department of Licensing. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: police are certainly aware of these changes and are working
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  Speaker 3: through operationally what it means for them.
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  Speaker 1: Are you worried about about the fact that there could
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  Speaker 1: be those increased issues in communities and not enough well,
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  Speaker 1: firstly not enough police to deal with them, but also
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  Speaker 1: there could potentially be ramifications to those healthcare clinics as well,
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  Speaker 1: having to you know, to assist people who you know
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  Speaker 1: who may wind up unwell or assaulted if there is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of alcohol in the community.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, the alcohol is the biggest single social issue we face.
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  Speaker 3: It's the basis of many crimes and antisocial behavior. As
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  Speaker 3: a government, we've done more than any other government. But
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  Speaker 3: we can never stop. We have to be agile, particularly
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  Speaker 3: when you've got a change setting, and so we are
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  Speaker 3: looking at our alcohol policies, what works, what can we
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  Speaker 3: change and so this is a different way that alcohol
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  Speaker 3: will be in the territory post July, but it's something
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  Speaker 3: that we are providing that option for communities. Every single
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  Speaker 3: community Outstation town Cap can sign up and remain dry
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  Speaker 3: post July. It's up to that community to make that decision.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, as you've touched on there, we know that
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  Speaker 1: alcohol is such a massive issue in the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: right now. You and I have spoken about this again
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  Speaker 1: on numerous occasions, and this issue of antisocial behavior on
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  Speaker 1: the streets, it is one which has seen a school
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  Speaker 1: in your electorate right to parents and care is about
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  Speaker 1: the potential of putting up a fence around the school
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  Speaker 1: following an increase in what they say, is itinerant behavior
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  Speaker 1: including bodily fluids still on premises when staff and students arrive,
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  Speaker 1: as well as harassment? Minister, is this issue alone enough
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  Speaker 1: for you to acknowledge that the problems we've got with
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  Speaker 1: alcohol at the moment have gone too far.
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, I think that the issue of the fence
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  Speaker 3: around Nightclid School, I'm on the public record. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's an amazing part of our community, is the heart
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  Speaker 3: of our community. There's been a lot of work by
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  Speaker 3: many volunteers and school staff providing a natural environment, and
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  Speaker 3: so I'm strongly concerned about the proposal of offense and
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  Speaker 3: how that will change. You know, the schools utilized during
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  Speaker 3: school hours, there is some already internal fencing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for younger children to keep them safe and equally it's
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  Speaker 3: really accessible for the community after ours. I think that
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  Speaker 3: in terms of antisocial behavior during my time as nearly
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  Speaker 3: a decade as a local member, we do see it
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  Speaker 3: in our community.
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  Speaker 1: But will is this the worst you've seen it? Is
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  Speaker 1: this the worst you've seen it? Because we've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people saying that at the moment, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: We deal with it in different parts in our community,
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  Speaker 3: and Nightcliff has always been you know, it's a service hub.
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  Speaker 3: We've got hospital closed by the airport, we've you know,
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  Speaker 3: and so I've been working with police actively over the
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  Speaker 3: last few weeks as well as other non government organizations.
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  Speaker 3: We've got you know a number of people in the
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  Speaker 3: community presently. Do they want to return home? Can we
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  Speaker 3: facilitate that? So these a complex issue, But for me,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think fencing the primary school is a solution.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is just disgraceful that the school's even
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  Speaker 1: in a situation where you know, these bodily fluid on
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  Speaker 1: site when teachers and when children are arriving at school
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  Speaker 1: like to me it is I know, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: feel the same. It's just a horrendous situation that that
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  Speaker 1: would happen at any school.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The Police Minister was on the show last week and
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  Speaker 1: she flagged that there were going to be announcements in
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  Speaker 1: this space. She said that last Thursday, when is the
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  Speaker 1: government going to take some different action when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to what we are seeing right now right around the territory,
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  Speaker 1: but particularly on the streets of Darwin and Palmerston and surrounds.
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  Speaker 3: So, as we spoke about last week to Katie, we're
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  Speaker 3: working across our non government partners with the City of Darwin,
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  Speaker 3: but also in the space that we provide those services
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  Speaker 3: and what we can do, and we're working continuously with
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  Speaker 3: both police, licensing and health, particularly in the space of
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  Speaker 3: alcohol policy. So we are working right now, but we
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  Speaker 3: are also looking to what else we can change to
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  Speaker 3: alleviate this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Are you waiting for the Chief Minister to come back
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  Speaker 1: from leave? Is that what is the hold up here?
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  Speaker 3: No, as a cabinet, we don't wait for individual and
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  Speaker 3: we all have to take lead from time to time.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about that it's working through processes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's not a single solution to these issues that would
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  Speaker 3: have been put in place decades ago if there was.
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  Speaker 3: These are incredibly complex, but the community can be reassured
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  Speaker 3: that we are working incredibly hard across the different government
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  Speaker 3: agencies to put in place mechanisms to help tackle this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I'll say to you what I said to
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  Speaker 1: the police minister, and I'll say it to the Minister
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  Speaker 1: of a small business Paul Kirby when he's on the
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  Speaker 1: show a little bit later. I think it's reached the
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  Speaker 1: point right now where Territorians are so frustrated. People are
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  Speaker 1: so frustrated that they just want to know what action
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  Speaker 1: the government is going to take.
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, we have provided a range of resources across
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  Speaker 3: our community and we have made sure that police have
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  Speaker 3: the resources they need. We make sure that they have
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  Speaker 3: the CCTV. But it's also gone further the work that
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  Speaker 3: we're doing with Larachean Nations.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think all of that is enough at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's making the impact that it should be.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'll come back to the point, there's not
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: a thing. It's not simple to solve these to work
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: with non government organizations. Every little thing adds up to
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: make a difference and that's what we're focused on right now.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I'll ask you the same thing that I asked the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Police Minister. Do Territorians just need to be patient and
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: wait for some of these changes or for some of
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: this to have an impact.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I can understand the frustration of the community and they
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: need to know that we are working on this with
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: a sense of urgency. There is mechanisms already in place,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: but we're identifying what can be done further in this
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: space to tackle these issues.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Health Minister Natasha Files, we are going to have to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: leave it there.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this morning.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you