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Long COVID Fatigue: Why One Supplement Will Not Solve It | Dr. Jenny Tufenkian · The Shivan Show with Shivan Sarna

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  Many of you listening to this probably have long COVID and don't even realize it.
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  If you're experiencing brain fog and fatigue or low moods, you have inflammation in your brain.
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  And there are things that you can do about it.
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  You can create your own individualized toolkit.
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  That's where the power is.
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  Hi, I'm Siobhan Sarna, and I have a very special friend of mine here with me today.
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  And her name is Dr. Jenny Tafankian.
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  She's a naturopath.
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  She's done some phenomenal summits having to do with long COVID and neuroinflammation, brain inflammation.
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  And before you go, oh, I don't have long COVID or my brain's not inflamed, it's fine.
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  There's a cascade of symptoms that are explainable from when you have this inflammation and
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  And a lot of times people have no idea that all of those things are a result of this.
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  And then you have to figure out what's causing that, right?
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  We're laughing, but it's a very serious topic.
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  What made you want to help people with neuroinflammation and these different conditions?
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  It's really one of those paths that came just from my life.
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  I was very, very sick my second year of medical school after really thinking I could be Wonder Woman and not only go to medical school with a child, which I did, but then have a second child and ended up having secondary infertility where I had a series of miscarriages and one of them was at 17 weeks.
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  I hemorrhaged, passed out, was rushed to a hospital and became a dark night of the soul thing.
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  And I got very sick.
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  The journey of healing from that made me understand a number of things.
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  One, that the body's incredibly resilient, even when you're down, lower than you think you can possibly, when you don't even think you can live, because people thought I was actually gonna die at that point, the body still has this incredible ability to regenerate and heal.
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  And not just on that physical level, but on that mental, emotional and energy level as well.
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  And it was really that that pulled me into working with people with really complex illness.
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  I had to take a whole year out of medical school.
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  But when I came back, I realized that there was a part of me that really felt very comfortable and good sitting with people with complex illness and.
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  and beginning to help them figure out the puzzle of what needed to happen, become the detective to help them in their journey of healing.
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  And then the brain inflammation part is that my dad actually died of a sort of uncommon type of dementia
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  And he was aware of it about 10 years before he died.
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  And he was going to some of the best doctors and they could not figure out what it was.
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  He was just a little bit too early.
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  I really wish I knew then what I know now, because I think now he came to me.
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  He's like, hey, Jenny, what should I do?
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  What can I do?
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  I know my brain's not okay.
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  My doctor says it is, but I know it isn't.
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  And now I would go, yeah, you're right, dad.
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  And this is what we need to do, which is why I'm so mission driven to get the information out there to help people with brain inflammation, with long COVID, with chronic fatigue, with all these complex diseases.
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  You really have a lot of tremendous results.
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  You help people with their Alzheimer's, with their dementia.
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  So what do you want everyone to know?
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  I want people to know that, number one, if you are experiencing brain fog or fatigue, it's not normal.
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  It's also not your fault.
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  And there are things that you can do about it.
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  And also, it's important that you do do things about it.
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  Because what's happening in your body right now is, if you're experiencing brain fog and fatigue or low moods, is that you have inflammation in your brain.
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  And that inflammation in your brain is the setup to get dementia.
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  We had the pandemic.
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  And I knew we were gonna have a second pandemic of this thing called long COVID, which we had, which is really the bulk of the people that I work with are struggling with long COVID.
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  And the people that have long COVID, unfortunately are at higher risk for getting dementias.
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  And I know that sounds really depressing and scaring, but I want it to be that fire under you that says, oh, I really do need to take care of this.
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  I need to address these issues.
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  I need to understand what's going on with me, why my body is dysregulated.
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  so that I can get my brain and my body back.
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  So first of all, how can we even tell if we have long COVID?
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  You know, I had COVID, I felt better.
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  I've never really been quite the same as I was beforehand.
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  It could easily be long COVID and there isn't a test.
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  And this is one of the challenges that we have because the conventional medical system is really writing a lot of people off.
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  I think there are many of you walking, many of you listening to this probably have long COVID and don't even realize it.
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  because that long COVID can kick in weeks or months after you have a COVID virus.
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  And it can come in and
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  start wreaking havoc with your immune system, with your mitochondria, which are the powerhouses in all of your cells.
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  What I tell people is that if you are struggling with fatigue, if you don't have a good reason for being tired, and if you cannot address that fatigue through just doing some lifestyle modification within a few weeks, then you really need to go get some more help.
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  You
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  a functional medicine practitioner, a naturopath, an integrative doctor, if you're lucky with a really great conventional doctor that understands this and will begin to look under the hood to figure out why is it that you're still so tired.
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  And in terms of testing, there is a test that I run on people that is not a test to diagnose that you have long COVID, but it can be some of the people with long COVID do this thing where they are, their body is still replicating the spike protein.
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  And I don't know if you saw the 9 to 5 movie.
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  Of course.
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  Yeah.
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  And there's that Xerox machine scene where it keeps on blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  And that's how I see it is that the body keeps producing these spike proteins over and over and over again.
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  Now, this does not happen with everyone with long COVID, but there's a certain population that do.
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  Yeah.
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  And the people that are doing that, there's a spike antibody protein test that you can get done.
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  It's just a conventional lab.
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  And if that is skyrocket high, then I am very suspicious that you may be one of the people that is producing that spike protein, or maybe you're one of those people that has a little viral fragment in your, still in your body that your immune system is still reacting to, or I think less likely, but still possible that you're.
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  immune system is just kind of responding to a ghost.
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  It's like a ghost impression of that virus, but it is still definitely acting as if there's an acute infection in you, and which can be really helpful because people who get that test have the symptoms and get that test, then they find out that it's something that they can actually address.
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  Right, so I did have that test done, but they didn't indicate the number.
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  That was a problem.
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  That's a problem.
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  That didn't make me very happy.
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  That didn't make me very happy.
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  It just said positive.
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  That's not useful.
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  Everybody in the world at this point has had some kind of contact with the virus, either through an injection or through an actual...
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  exposure to the virus.
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  And that means that your immune system has had exposure to it, and you will have some antibodies to it.
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  But I've seen people who have antibodies around 100, which you would sort of expect that to be, you know, most of us would have some kind of antibody reaction.
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  Less than 13 and one of the tests that I'm thinking of, I think this is LabCorp Quest, I can't remember which one it is, is considered, a bug 13 is abnormal.
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  It's a positive test.
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  You would expect most people would be abnormal at this point.
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  Yeah.
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  Some level of it.
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  But what I see is those people are like around 100, whereas the people that have that spike protein Xerox machine thing going, they're literally topped out, like at the top of the scale.
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  Like hundreds.
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  Like 800.
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  Oh, wow.
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  It's either Quest or LabCorp tops out at 800 and the other one tops out at 2,500.
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  So I see people all the way at the top, greater than 800 or greater than 2,500.
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  And I'm going, you know what?
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  I think it's worth if we do an experimental trial of treating it as if you have – it's like an acute chronic disease.
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  COVID exposure.
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  And so then we're going to come in with a protocol that's actually going to work at reducing that spike protein level in your body.
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  And for some people, we also need to do some sort of testing to look and see what your lymphocytes are doing and what your white blood cells are doing, which is your immune system, because you want to see, is your immune system just exhausted?
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  You've been like fighting this virus for weeks or months or years, and your body's exhausted.
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  And that helps determine how much immune support you need.
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  Okay, see you there.
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  First of all, of course, you know, Dr. Tvenkian isn't your doctor and this isn't medical advice, but this is some really great information that you can utilize.
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  with your provider or like vet a provider to find out like, do you really deal with long COVID and ask them some of the questions that you're learning about this information here today?
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  How do you usually treat it?
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  Like what are some of the tools in the toolbox for treating?
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  So my toolbox is huge and I'll go through some of the things that I've found useful, but one of the things I really, I really want to, cause I think it's really easy to listen to these kinds of conversations and you're like, Oh my gosh,
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  Dr. Jenny said that this herb and this supplement, you know, cures long COVID and I need to go buy some.
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  And then you try it for three days and you don't feel better.
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  And you're like, that didn't work.
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  And then you're, I mean, you've gone through that cycle of the myth of the one thing.
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  The myth of the one thing.
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  Myth of the one thing, which is, yeah.
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  Myth of the one thing, which is that one diet, that one treatment, that one protocol, that one amazing food from the Amazon is going to cure you.
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  And then it's sort of this fear of hope thing comes up for a lot of people who are struggling with the cynicism sneaks in.
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  It does.
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  It does.
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  And it's their fear of hope, which stops you from knocking on doors and finding out for something.
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  Yeah.
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  Listen to what you just said.
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  The fear of hope.
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  I have lived in that for a really long time in different seasons of my life.
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  So the fear of hope.
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  You don't even allow yourself to hope because you're going to be disappointed.
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  You're afraid of the disappointment.
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  It's very scary.
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  Yeah.
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  This is really where the resilience needs to come into play as a person who happens to have some chronic conditions.
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  I don't want to identify you as a chronic condition person.
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  patient or anything like that like they happen to be present in this season okay go ahead the fear of hope see my nose has been itching so much because so many truth bombs have been coming my way today histamine response to truth then you think i'd be read all the time moving on sorry that was like such a great nerd joke that was such a great ending nerd joke thank you
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  Okay, don't be afraid of hope.
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  So what I'd say is part of this myth of the one thing, the trap that you get stuck in is that you keep following the myth of the one thing and you try this thing and then it doesn't work on you and then you get disappointed again.
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  Then you fear to hope again because you've had so many series of quote unquote failures, things you've tried that didn't work out.
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  You've got the supplement cupboard that's just full of capsules of things that didn't help.
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  Right.
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  So I'm saying all that before I share what I have used in some people, because I think the real power is in you to heal, first of all.
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  I mean, that's really true.
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  Like the power is inside of you to heal.
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  Your body wants to be well, and it has the ability to get well.
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  It's just figuring out what needs to either be removed in from your life or in your body, or what needs to come in to stimulate that natural healing ability in your being.
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  And sometimes it's not just on the physical level, like I said in the beginning, sometimes it's on the mental, emotional or the energetic level.
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  And so you may have dis-ease, but that dis-ease may be coming from some emotional trauma or maybe because you pick up energetic stuff from everybody.
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  You're an empath and you're picking up stuff and that's disturbing you.
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  Or there could be all different kinds of ways that these different bodies interact with each other.
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  Because the power is in you to heal, it's really on you.
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  to begin to become your own detective and to begin to assess what does work on me and what doesn't work on me so that you can create your own individualized toolkit because that's where the power is.
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  When you start to understand what kinds of medicines work for you and which don't, then you can start sort of thinning out your wardrobe.
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  Here's a great analogy.
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  When I started doing stuff online and I was gonna be doing this in front of cameras,
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  I worked with this woman who does this really interesting way of looking at what colors work with you or don't.
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  And I've never shared this anywhere before.
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  I don't, my husband doesn't even know I did this.
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  Exclusive scoop.
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  Nobody knows I did this.
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  To thank the end's personal wardrobe choices.
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  Right.
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  But it was really great because she gave me this kind of colorway and patterns and things to look for.
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  And all I can tell you is shopping is so much easier because I walk into a store and I can eliminate like 80% of whatever is on the rack because it's not in my thing.
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  And this is kind of what I'm telling you as you start working on shopping.
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  putting your health toolkit, it's the same thing.
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  You can go like, oh, that kind of stuff doesn't really resonate with my body.
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  So I'm going to go over to this section here and you start listening and you start beginning to work more sophisticated with who you're listening to and what they're saying to you and what resonates when I'm working with people, I'm all about finding out what resonates with their body.
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  because I've had patients who do really well with pharmaceuticals and other people who just cannot do any of that stuff.
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  I have people who do really well with energetic medicine.
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  I have other people who do much better with botanical medicine or supplements or those kinds of things.
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  I had this one person who could only do pharmaceuticals or homeopathy.
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  That was it.
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  The other stuff did not work on her, which is bizarre, because I don't do that much pharmacy.
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  That's just her system.
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  So when I say...
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  Here's some things that I would first kind of start out with.
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  These are the things that I see working on most people.
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  And then there are my special people.
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  And the special people are those of us who are super sensitive and might need just a microdose of something.
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  Or maybe we need an energetic force.
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  form of these things.
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  I have some people who are so in tune that they can just hold a thing and imagine it in their body and it starts to do the work.
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  But I want you who are listening to know that you're not crazy if that's you.
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  That just means that that's how you're built and that's who you are.
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  And some people need freaking bulldozers.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, the power of the mind is phenomenal.
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  And I think that's really honestly, the future of medicine is really understanding that power and us owning that power and being able to tap into it in different places as a form of protection.
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  People say, what's the best thing to do when I'm on airplane?
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  Well, I have a little thing I do with my energy body before I go on an airplane.
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  Okay, I will promise I answer your question now.
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  And this is not medical advice.
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  This is information, free to share with your provider, Siobhan said.
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  For the people that are having a reactivated COVID, an acute COVID in a chronic COVID case, I find something that brings that viral replication down and something that works on that spike protein is really helpful for,
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  There are a couple of different herbs and supplements that could be great for this.
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  Something called Gromwell root in common name.
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  I believe it's lithosperma in Latin.
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  I may be wrong on that.
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  And it's Zichao or Zichao in Chinese.
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  It's all the same plant.
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  So you say the Gromwell?
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  Gromwell.
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  G-R-O-M-W-E-L-L. Gromwell root.
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  You want to be shooting it in a clean form.
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  A lot of people buy herbs off their shelves.
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  And when we study them, they're not in there.
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  So you want to find a good provider.
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  I don't have one I can offer right now.
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  There was a good company.
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  that got shut down due to a war, but it is still out there and there are good companies, you just have to find it, but that's a great one.
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  And I do an acute dose of that, where people are taking that two or three times a day.
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  And I usually find people need between 30 and 90 days of treatment, depending on how long they've been sick in their body.
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  But that's usually what I kind of tell people.
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  It's like, hey, kind of thinking this is like a 30 to 90 day thing, and then we'll see.
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  And some people may be down at 30, some people may need longer, we'll just see.
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  I add in some things that are really good for the vascular system because we know that that spike protein loves to damage that vessel and especially the intimate and glycocalyx of the vessels and that wreaks havoc in the brain and all different parts of your body.
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  There's a product, can I get product names?
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  By all means.
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  There's a product called Arterosil, A-R-T-E-R-O-S-I-L I think.
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  That's a product you can get off of most health websites, and it's in full script.
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  The usual dose is just one a day, which is kind of nice.
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  The other thing to look at is natokinase.
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  This helps break down any kind of microclots might be going on.
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  A lot of people get a lot of support from this.
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  And then there's some other things I kind of look at and consider depending on the person.
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  Some people need more nitric oxide.
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  So doing something with beets, extra beets, beets in your diet, beet powder, taking a capsule.
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  Nitric oxide from Berkeley Life is great.
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  I love that product.
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  You can kind of see where you can kind of put together a little pool of things.
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  L-lysine actually seems to also help some people with this, which is interesting because a lot of people with long COVID have reactivated Epstein-Barr virus.
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  And L-lysine is one of the best things to do for that.
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  Whoever has any kind of complexities, if you have an autoimmune condition, if you have long COVID, if you have myalgic encephalitis, which you wanted me to talk about at some point, which is the real true word for something called chronic fatigue syndrome.
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  If you have any of these complex conditions, there is something that was what I call your setup.
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  There was something that was going on in your body that made you vulnerable to get this condition in the first place.
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  Understanding what your setup was is also part of your protocol.
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  Because whatever that setup was that made you vulnerable, it was the soil, it was the terrain that your body was, that was the right terrain for that seed of that condition.
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  For a lot of people who have long COVID, COVID was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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  I mean, the setup was there.
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  And so part of the healing package, the map that you need to map out for yourself, the process is working on those underlying health foundations that were broken that made you vulnerable
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  to getting that long COVID, that autoimmune condition, that ME in the first place.
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  Can you spell the ME or just say it very slowly?
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  Don't spell it.
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  Just say it slowly.
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  Myalgic encephalitis.
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  It is inflammation of the muscles and the brain.
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  When we got a lot more money to study this chronic fatigue,
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  During the pandemic, because they saw this long COVID thing happening, a lot more research, like tons.
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  I do this because I have a slide and some things where here's the ME-CFS.
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  This is the magic encephalized chronic fatigue budget that's been there for a while.
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  And then the long COVID budget was like a bag this big.
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  That's now gone.
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  But while it was here, it was nice that we had some research dollars going in.
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  And there was a research study where they put in people that had myalgic encephalitis, they put dye in their body, put them in a PET scan, compared to sex the same gender and the same age,
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  also dying their body in a PET scan.
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  And what showed up is that the people with the myalgic encephalitis, their muscles in their brain just flared up with inflammation.
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  This is really powerful because these people who have been struggling with these conditions have been told you're making it up, it doesn't really exist, there's nothing going on.
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  I mean, I was told I was faking it
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  As a 17-year-old, when I went into Kaiser, they're like, oh, you're just trying to get out of school, kid.
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  And I was like, just because I didn't have mono and didn't have strep, he's like, oh, you're just trying to skip school.
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  So this is really validating.
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  But it also really says that this myalgic encephalitis is actually a really good term to explain what's happening in the body from our understanding at this point.
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  Myalgic encephalitis.
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  There you go, you did it!
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  What is encephalitis?
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  It's an esflame brain.
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  Okay.
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  And as I said in the beginning,
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  If you are exhausted, if you have brain fog, if you find yourself that you don't have the bandwidth to have the focus to do the amount of work you used to do, and sometimes you find yourself procrastinating or scrolling and stuff where you used to be really disciplined and just be able to focus and get your work done, that can be a sign of brain inflammation.
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  And that's what we're seeing over and over again, which is what leads to dementia.
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  How do you see the relationship between alcohol consumption and dementia?
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  Do you see a correlation?
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  I know the studies have come out recently.
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  For sure.
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  100%.
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  There's no doubt.
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  Yeah, there's no doubt.
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  I mean, there was the whole, oh, some wine is probably good for us because it's got like quercetin in it.
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  And I remember at the time, because I didn't drink at that time, I was like.
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  You know what?
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  There are other things that have this.
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  You could have onions.
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  You could eat vegetables.
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  You could have so much stuff.
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  And they're like, oh, no, it's really good for you.
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  It's because of these, you know, like those are in a lot of plants.
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  So that was fun for a while.
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  But yeah, they've actually come out and said they don't think that there's any level of alcohol that's actually healthy for us.
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  It massively increases the inflammation in the brain.
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  And part of that is the alcohol and part of it's the sugar because it really spikes your blood sugar.
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  And impacts that metabolic health.
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  Exactly.
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  You've done a summit.
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  I have.
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  You have.
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  It's very good.
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  What is the name of it?
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  Here's the thing.
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  I was going for this award.
• 21:35
  I was going for an award, the longest summit name award, and I won.
• 21:39
  Oh, good.
• 21:40
  Yeah, that's great.
• 21:40
  So it's the long COVID, chronic fatigue, pain, brain inflammation, I think,
• 21:48
  Can I help you with that?
• 21:49
  Yeah.
• 21:49
  Yeah.
• 21:50
  Yeah.
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  Not my best word, but it's fine.
• 21:52
  It's fine.
• 21:53
  So we call it the Long COVID Breakthrough Summit.
• 21:55
  And the reason we put all those names in there is because we really are talking about the root causes between all of these conditions.
• 22:03
  They're not separate.
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  They're all happening inside our body.
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  And if you have one, you're more at risk for the other.
• 22:08
  So we put them all in there because we want you to have this information.
• 22:12
  So if you're dealing with pain, if you're dealing with fatigue, you're dealing with brain fog, if you've got long COVID, if you've got malachic encephalitis, there's so much incredible information that you need to know so that you can activate that healing potential inside your own body.
• 22:26
  It is available for you.
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  It is real.
• 22:29
  You're not crazy.
• 22:30
  Dr. Tufanke, and if somebody wanted to work with you, how could they?
• 22:34
  They can go to my website and fill out a form to apply to work with me.
• 22:38
  I bring on a few people to work with me one-on-one for a full year.
• 22:42
  The reason I do it this way is because I found that that's what it takes, is it takes that time.
• 22:48
  For the people who are ready to do the work...
• 22:50
  I love the commitment that we both make together where I'm there with you for this year and you're there for yourself for this year.
• 22:56
  Can it be remote?
• 22:58
  Yeah, it can actually.
• 22:59
  Is it educational or do they have to live in Oregon?
• 23:02
  It depends on which state you live in terms of what my license covers.
• 23:05
  I'm licensed in many states.
• 23:06
  I'm not licensed in all the states.
• 23:08
  So the best thing is to apply and to talk to my team.
• 23:12
  Thank you so much.
• 23:13
  Thank you for having me, Siobhan.
• 23:14
  It's just a pleasure to be with you.
• 23:16
  It's always good to be with you.
• 23:17
  Thanks, everybody.
• 23:18
  There's a lot of hope.
• 23:19
  There really, truly is.
• 23:21
  And I hope today has sparked that inspiration within you to take the next steps.
• 23:26
  So that's a wrap on today's episode.
• 23:28
  Thank you so much for being here.
• 23:29
  It genuinely means everything to me.
• 23:32
  If something in this conversation sparks something for you, share it with a woman or a guy in your life who needs to hear it.
• 23:38
  That's how this show grows.
• 23:40
  That's how we heal the planet together.
• 23:41
  And that's how we really connect.
• 23:43
  For more resources, free tools, and everything we talked about today, head over to SiobhanSarna.com.
• 23:48
  That's S-H-I-V-A-N-S-A-R-N-A dot com.
• 23:53
  It's all there waiting for you.
• 23:54
  And until next time, keep asking the questions, keep finding the answers.
• 23:58
  You deserve the full picture and the very best.
• 24:01
  Namaste.