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NFL Draft Day 2 Reaction · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John
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  Speaker 2: Middlecoff Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully you are doing well.
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  Speaker 2: I said, it's Friday night, but the second Round is rolling.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do a little podcast react to the action. We
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  Speaker 2: had a lot going on. We won't waste your time here.
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  Speaker 2: this beautiful face smiling at you. And let's just talk
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  Speaker 2: some football. What we saw go down on Friday night
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  Speaker 2: a lot. Honestly, the second round. If you love college
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  Speaker 2: football and you watched, you know, the top teams over
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  Speaker 2: the course the last couple of years, I felt like
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  Speaker 2: was loaded with dudes. Second round was really good. We've
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  Speaker 2: been talking about this for a long time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a pretty consistent theme. As people thought the
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  Speaker 2: second round from like twenty five to the seventy range
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  Speaker 2: was gonna be loaded with a lot of good players,
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  Speaker 2: and that was the case. But you know Howie Roseman
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  Speaker 2: went viral last night by embarrassing the Pittsburgh Steelers I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm gonna get into that that on a Monday show.
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  Speaker 2: But he makes another huge trade tonight, kind of out
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  Speaker 2: of nowhere, all of a sudden, he trades for Minnesota's
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  Speaker 2: former pro bowler, Jonathan Grenard. You're like, wait what, And
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  Speaker 2: it's like, hey, he just gave a couple thirds and
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  Speaker 2: gave a hundred million dollars. It's like, where's the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the league on this? So we'll dive into that
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  Speaker 2: and we'll just kind of fly through some of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite picks. But this has been a consistent theme here
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  Speaker 2: is there is a big difference between salary cap and
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  Speaker 2: cash and nights like tonight. It is so evident when
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  Speaker 2: you watch Jeffrey Lurie the Eagles and Howie Roseman. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: how he's willingness to always be aggressive speaks for itself.
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  Speaker 2: He trades up in the draft constantly. He's never afraid
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  Speaker 2: to make a move. I mean, he's got a star
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver on his own team that we already know
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  Speaker 2: is already traded and they're just kind of riding it
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  Speaker 2: out till June one. But tonight, when all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: it comes across mid second round. That how he has
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  Speaker 2: traded two threes this year's and next year's for Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: Grenard and oh yeah, he gave him four years one
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. It's like, oh, well, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Then you see fifty million dollars in guarantees. And we
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  Speaker 2: talked about this over the course of this run up
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  Speaker 2: to the draft with the Denver Broncos. No team beside
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  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers spends more cash and they have
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  Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback who makes two and a half million
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year. It is a huge, huge advantage. The
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  Speaker 2: Eagles operate like they're the Yankees, They're the Phillies, They're
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  Speaker 2: the Mets in terms of their willingness to spend money. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I do think a lot of gms, most gms in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL do not have equity and security, like Howie Roseman, like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a pretty short list. Yeah, hell, Jonathan, I love
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  Speaker 2: John Schneider, but he doesn't even have a We don't
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  Speaker 2: even know his onerous you know, Jason Light kind of
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  Speaker 2: a weird year last year. Obviously he's an excellent GM,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, probably gonna potentially go through a coaching
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  Speaker 2: change over the course of the next year. Les Sneed
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  Speaker 2: just took Tyson Simpson, so things can change and get
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  Speaker 2: weird really fast. No guy is more minted right now
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  Speaker 2: in the league. You could argue in all of sports
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  Speaker 2: in a weird way, like he's in the NFL got
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  Speaker 2: like a pat Riley vibe going just like the dawn
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  Speaker 2: right now of the general manager position. But I think
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  Speaker 2: he would be the first to say one of his
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  Speaker 2: truly great advantages is the ownership group in the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: led by Jeffrey Lurry and their willingness to spend money,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm sure there were other general managers that would
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  Speaker 2: have been very interested in a guy that in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty twenty four accumulated almost twenty five sacks.
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  Speaker 2: This is an EDG rusher. I mean, they just lost
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips, which has been a problem in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the edge rush. Obviously, they have very very talented defensive tackles.
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Graham retires, Sweat comes to the Cardinals. They have
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  Speaker 2: to trade mid season for Jalen Phillips, but then he
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  Speaker 2: gets this insane contract with Carolina that the Eagles can't match,
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  Speaker 2: and they get a guy who's historically more productive at
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  Speaker 2: a cheaper rate. Now he's gonna be twenty nine here
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  Speaker 2: in a month. But this is the type guy I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I just went on YouTube immediately and just pulled up
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  Speaker 2: like a five minute highlight tape. You know, in terms
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  Speaker 2: of speed rush, he's got some like you know, inside moves,
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  Speaker 2: spin move. He's just an aggressive, hard playing, tough guy.
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  Speaker 2: And think of who he's played for the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, widely considered one of the best defensive coordinators
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  Speaker 2: in the league and Brian Flores. So if Vic Fangio
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  Speaker 2: and going, should we make this move, You're getting a
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  Speaker 2: guy that is not only coached up, but is really
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  Speaker 2: productive and just a tough, fucking good player, good edge rusher,
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  Speaker 2: something that is hard to find. You're definitely not finding
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  Speaker 2: in the third round. Now you got to pay for it.
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  Speaker 2: And part of the reason he was available, by all accounts,
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  Speaker 2: is because the Minnesota Vikings couldn't come to an agreement.
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  Speaker 2: Which who's negotiating here right? I understand that the cap
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  Speaker 2: guy becomes the pseudo GM right now with the coaching staff,
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  Speaker 2: but typically the cap guy in most organizations is taking
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  Speaker 2: orders from the GM who gets his marching orders from
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  Speaker 2: the owner. So that there's like a hierarchy and a
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  Speaker 2: streamline thing going on. Well this cap guy, who's he
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  Speaker 2: negotiating for Flores and Kevin O'Connell. So look who takes
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  Speaker 2: advantage of their situation? No GM and he pounces, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just listen, I'm not that confident in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the Eagles upside because there's so much with this
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  Speaker 2: new offense and kind of the drama with the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: But when you look at the Eagles today or yesterday
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  Speaker 2: and the day they get makay Lemon, they who did
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  Speaker 2: they just draft the tight end from Vanderbilt who won
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  Speaker 2: all the awards that you couldn't help but watch Vanderbilt
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  Speaker 2: over the last couple of years with Pavia and clark
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  Speaker 2: Lee and then winning all these games. I mean Stours
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  Speaker 2: was a big time player for them. So you bring
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  Speaker 2: you know, Dallas Goddard back. They have a ton of
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  Speaker 2: wide receivers. Even if they get rid of aj Brown,
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  Speaker 2: they still got Saquon Barkley that we know. Their defense
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  Speaker 2: is good. Like, this is a team that if Jalen
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  Speaker 2: just plays solid and they get get back to running
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  Speaker 2: the ball, Like, there's just no disputing the talent on
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  Speaker 2: this roster year in, year out, and obviously Howie gets
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  Speaker 2: a ton of credit. But you know, while every team
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  Speaker 2: has the money, not every team is willing to spend
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  Speaker 2: the money. Not every team is willing to do these deals.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not a deal like the Dexter Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: deal where the majority of teams, even talented teams, like
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  Speaker 2: if you gave the Bills or the Chiefs or whatever
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity, like, they wouldn't do that deal for the
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  Speaker 2: tenth pick. They're not that desperate. The Bengals were in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a spot because of Burrow and because of
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  Speaker 2: just the urgency of this operation. And it feels like, now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that I've said this over and over,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Brown would do a deal unless it got really
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  Speaker 2: really crazy. But people keep saying like, do you never
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  Speaker 2: know it could come, Joe Burrow could force his way out.
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  Speaker 2: I'll believe it when I see it, especially with Mike Brown,
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  Speaker 2: okaying a trade. But I do think it's fair to
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  Speaker 2: say when you watch that Dexter Lawrence move, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this they feel a little desperate, even if the move,
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  Speaker 2: you know, makes some sense, and you know, you look
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  Speaker 2: at the Eagles that They're just making two threes for
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  Speaker 2: a guy that you know can get them ten plus sacks,
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  Speaker 2: something they desperately need because they know interior defensive line play,
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  Speaker 2: you know it is gonna be good. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that was really it was like, whoa, You're just
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  Speaker 2: watching the draft some of these guys getting drafted, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like, wait, what did just happen.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, thank God for Howie. Howie makes these these
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  Speaker 2: these uh, some of these random rounds over the course
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  Speaker 2: of the last several years. Kind of interesting because he's
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  Speaker 2: always always willing to throw a curveball. Now, obviously there
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  Speaker 2: were some trades before the draft which you know, carry
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  Speaker 2: us between that period from like free agency or you know,
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  Speaker 2: the combine to free agency and then free agency to
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  Speaker 2: the draft. With DJ Moore and McDuffie. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of action, and I always really enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: this new group of general managers that is willing to
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  Speaker 2: do deals, willing to you know, make trades like NBA
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  Speaker 2: teams did forever before this weird new cap restrictions. Like
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  Speaker 2: in baseball, the big teams are willing to do. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the NFL teams you know, with younger res of GMS,
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  Speaker 2: will will wheel and deal. Well unless you're Joe Shane
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  Speaker 2: and you know, caveon Thibodeau. He posts that he's bouncing
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  Speaker 2: and everyone thinks he's gonna get traded. And then I
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  Speaker 2: saw Joe Shane's quote was like, what are you guys
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  Speaker 2: talking about? That's not true. The guys you just just
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  Speaker 2: pull the howie and be like, hey, you know he's
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  Speaker 2: on our team for right now. It's okay if you
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  Speaker 2: want to trade him. Like, no, no one's holding that
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  Speaker 2: against you. There was a great clip last night of
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  Speaker 2: Harbaugh being asked about about trading him and he's like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: we don't get rid of good players. And then he
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  Speaker 2: looks at Joe. He's like do we and Joe's like, yeah, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we don't get rid of good players. It's like, god, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: you are just in fairness to him. It's a weird spot.
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  Speaker 2: You're just desperately trying to kiss the ass of your
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  Speaker 2: new boss, because that's what John Harbaugh is. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I you most of us would probably act somewhat like
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  Speaker 2: that in that position. I think it's easy to beat
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  Speaker 2: up on him. You know, Twitter was making a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun of him, but I think most people making
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  Speaker 2: fun of him. If you put yourself in that spot,
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  Speaker 2: you're the GM of the Giants, which historically is one
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  Speaker 2: of the greatest jobs in all sports. Google some of
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  Speaker 2: the guys they've had in those roles, and I just
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  Speaker 2: think you don't want to lose it, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think you're a little terrified even if you think things
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  Speaker 2: are going good. Sunday morning is am I gonna get
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  Speaker 2: a call that my iPad and key card no longer work.
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  Speaker 2: So been there, Joe, And I don't blame him for
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  Speaker 2: one to hold on, but you know, the night kind
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  Speaker 2: of got started with a bang. Kyle Shanahan, he is
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  Speaker 2: just adamant, like this is a philosophical belief that guys
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  Speaker 2: that score touchdowns, guys that make plays on offense are
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  Speaker 2: more important in terms of draft capital and drafting high
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  Speaker 2: if all things are equal, than offensive linemen. Most people
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  Speaker 2: I know in the NFL don't necessarily agree, but that
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  Speaker 2: is a core belief of Kyle Shanahan when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to football. And he drafted years ago Deebo really high
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  Speaker 2: in the second round after he coached him in the
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  Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Drafted Brandon Ayuk in the first round when
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Packer fans thought that the Green Bay
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  Speaker 2: was gonna pick him, and obviously a couple of picks later,
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  Speaker 2: they take Jordan Love. He took Ricky Piersaw a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago in the first round. He took Stribbling
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  Speaker 2: Today from Ole Miss Here essentially picked thirty three. It
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  Speaker 2: might as well be a first round pick. It was
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  Speaker 2: essentially the Niners first round pick because they traded back
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  Speaker 2: to get the first pick of the second round. And listen,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what's funny about looking at some of
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  Speaker 2: these guys' bios is the amount of guys And I
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  Speaker 2: was just I played golf the other day with a
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  Speaker 2: guy named Nick Phuzikis. He's one of the great kind
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  Speaker 2: of mid major basketball players of all time. He's the
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  Speaker 2: all time leading scorer at Nevada, played in Japan forever.
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  Speaker 2: He was drafted, I think by the Clippers in the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of the second round. He lives here in Scottsdale,
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  Speaker 2: and we were just we were just talking football and
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  Speaker 2: the transfer. I'm like, God, you miss your window. He's like, shit,
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  Speaker 2: I would have been at Carolina like by my sophomore
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  Speaker 2: year I'm like, yeah, business would have been good. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, how you look up, people have always you know,
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  Speaker 2: not always, but it used to be more difficult because
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to sit out a year. Now with the
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  Speaker 2: free for all, I look up Stribbling's career, it's like
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  Speaker 2: started at Washington State, then he went to Oklahoma State,
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  Speaker 2: and then he ended up with Lane Kiffin, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's pretty crazy how it goes down. But we
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  Speaker 2: were talking, He's like, do you kind of judge guys
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  Speaker 2: for transferring because back in the day twenty fifteen, ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago, before the transfer portal, it used to be
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  Speaker 2: a red flag. Now I'm like, you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: a red flag at all. It's just it's kind of normal. Honestly.
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  Speaker 2: I was telling Colin last night. When Miami drafted the
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  Speaker 2: San Diego state wide receiver or cornerback who had an
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  Speaker 2: excellent season, somewhat of a one year wonder, I immediately text
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  Speaker 2: a couple guys and like, why didn't he transfer? That's
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  Speaker 2: if you're a smaller school guy, my first question is
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  Speaker 2: why are you still at the smaller school? I want
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  Speaker 2: you to level up, and mainly I want the big
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  Speaker 2: boys to be on you, because now they all have
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  Speaker 2: scouting reports and scouting departments. So if you're good, like
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  Speaker 2: an Ashton Genty, Well the reason Aston Genty state at
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  Speaker 2: Boise State. He turned down you know, hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of dollars and took not much relative to what he
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  Speaker 2: could have made to stay at Boise. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: I heard. The San Diego State guy did. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Toledo safety. So when you hear these stories, I
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  Speaker 2: want to hear that. If you just say, well, no
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  Speaker 2: one was really on them, it's like, well, what's going
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  Speaker 2: on here? If you feel loyal, I'm all for I'm
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  Speaker 2: not against that by any means. But Stribbling did not
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  Speaker 2: take that tactic. I mean, that guy was going wherever
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  Speaker 2: the cash was flying. And I texted a wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: coach who worked him out was a huge fan. You know,
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  Speaker 2: some people think it was a little bit of an overdraft,
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  Speaker 2: but you go to the Combine, you run in the
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  Speaker 2: four threes, you know, you play for one of the
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  Speaker 2: more explosive offenses in the country. I'm sure Lane is
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  Speaker 2: singing your prey. And he was just an excellent player
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  Speaker 2: for him. He's a good kid. His dad was a
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  Speaker 2: wrestler from Hawaii. You know, he's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a raw product. But the one thing the forty nine
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  Speaker 2: ers just do not have is just someone to stretch
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  Speaker 2: the field. You know, really that there stretched the field guy.
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  Speaker 2: It's been George Kittle, right, And that's not really Mike
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  Speaker 2: evans thing anymore. You know, that's McCaffrey's kind of slowing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, relative too. He's not quite as explosive as
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  Speaker 2: he was several years ago. Juwan Jennings, that was never
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  Speaker 2: his style. He's just gone. So I think that they
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  Speaker 2: just they just really believe in wide receivers. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I personally one draft that I have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: respect for, and I would just say, roster man for man.
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  Speaker 2: If you remove the quarterback, I think you could put
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  Speaker 2: the Texans right there with anybody. I mean, last night
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  Speaker 2: they take this mauling guard from Georgia Tech who was
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  Speaker 2: just an old school badass. I watched I love a
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  Speaker 2: good phone call, like I love a good GM on
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  Speaker 2: the phone, Like, you're our type, guy. The toughness, the grit,
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  Speaker 2: what you stand for, the soul, You're everything we want
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  Speaker 2: in this building. It just kind of gets and the
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: guys like, yes, they always call it the GM coach
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  Speaker 2: like yes, coach, Yes coach, We're so fired up, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just kind of gettro juicing. There's just something raw
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  Speaker 2: and real. This is a genuine you know, for this
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  Speaker 2: multi billion dollar business and now with college football with
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  Speaker 2: niol I think I mentioned this last night. There's something
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  Speaker 2: about this event that just really makes you feel good.
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  Speaker 2: The moment with the Terrell brothers, it's just it's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of cool. I mean, I don't really know what
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  Speaker 2: else to say. Beside there's nothing else quite like this.
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  Speaker 2: And part of it is the NFL draft so much longer.
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  Speaker 2: All these guys are coming from bigger schools, or majority
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  Speaker 2: of them are. And I just think the Texans, if
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  Speaker 2: you remove the quarterback, I don't see. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: might be closer to one than they are five in
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  Speaker 2: terms of roster. And one thing I'm gonna stand by
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  Speaker 2: saying is I think a CJ can take more of
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  Speaker 2: a kind of an outlook. And I think it's difficult
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  Speaker 2: because he just saw will get paid. He seed all
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  Speaker 2: these guys in the league make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: No CJ was the number two pick in the draft,
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  Speaker 2: Like he's a multi millionaire. So it's like he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: get paid no matter what, Like it's just relative. Is
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  Speaker 2: he gonna have a season where he throws like he
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  Speaker 2: throws forty touchdowns, they're the number one seed. He could
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  Speaker 2: get some insane contract, But honestly, if he just threw
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  Speaker 2: like twenty eight touchdowns and seven picks and they won
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  Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen games, I don't think the contract would
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  Speaker 2: be that much different. And I think the key is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be because he's a more talented player than Alex
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  Speaker 2: Smith or Ryan Tannehill. But like what Alex was the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs and what Ryan Tannehill did for Rassini's boyfriend in Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: if he can just play under kind of those parameters
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  Speaker 2: and then every once in a while, you know, make
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  Speaker 2: a better play because he's more gifted, but let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: be more of a game manager. I think Texican win
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Shanahan said this at the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I thought there were two teams this
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  Speaker 2: year that we played that if their quarterbacks just didn't
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: screw it up, could win it all with special teams
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: in defense, and that was Seattle in Houston. I was like,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: totally agree, and I'm a CJ fan. Story's awesome, but
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: his game has kind of got a little off kilter
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and their team. I mean, Caden McDonald, the Ohio State
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle, is a beast, I mean, a run stuffer.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So you put him with these edge rushers. Cool moment
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: two where he's he's he gets off stage and Cam Hayward,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, one of the great Ohio
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: State players of all time and legendary NFL player. They're
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: just having this one on one talk. There's gotta be
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: just something raw and real about when you go to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: these Bama Georgia Ohio State and you see one of
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: your you know, kind of your elder brothers, one of
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: your elder I mean essentially mentors. I mean he's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: played the same position you see Cam standing next to him.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: He's a little bit bigger. I don't know how tall.
• 17:53
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• 17:55
  Speaker 2: was like, no, wonder, Cam's got it. Buy a couple
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  Speaker 2: down is t J Parker. The Bills took him with
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the third pick in the second round. You had several
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: guys go yesterday from Clemson. You had multiple guys tonight
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: TJ Parker and then the corner who went to Atlanta
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to play with his brother AJ. There can't be many
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: teams in college football history that underachieved more with their talent.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I do kind of comprehend watching these draft picks because
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: these guys, I mean, especially the defensive lineman played terrible.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Obviously a quarterback play was terrible, but the actual physical
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: talent on the field was elite. I mean, I don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: want to say it's Ohio State but or Miami, but
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that it was much closer to them, like
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: they were a more talented roster. Now their quarterback play
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was club Nick was bad relative to Mendoza, But I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: don't see the difference, especially when you're talking defensive linemen.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So I mean, this is this notion that Dabbo, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal and isn't recruiting. I think it's the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: problem is clearly the coaching, because the physical characteristics and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the talent is there that they're getting all these guys
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: going in the top forty. We're on the flip side.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You look at Texas Tech. You have Bailey go one,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you have Rodriguez go forty three, and you had Lee Hunter,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the defensive tackle who probably should have gone higher, but
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: he did a vertical jump that went like ten inches,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: so he fell in the draft a little bit. He's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a lot like Cade McDonald. You watch some of his
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: highlight tapes, Vin Stack and shite because you watch Texas
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Tech tonight, or I mean this year and defensively, I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: tweeted this out. If Mike Leach ever had the defensive
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: talent that Tech had this year because of Nil with
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: some of his offenses, they could have won the national championship.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I feel pretty confident saying that they could have won
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the next if you put this defense on the Crabtree
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: offensive team, like you might be winning the Natty. I mean,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez. We'll see if it translates. You know, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: think there's some question marks. You went to Miami at
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: forty three, but I mean he was in the mix
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: for the Heisman Trophy as I was texting buddies, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: in terms of they're like his tape in terms of instincts, playmaking, tackling, turnovers.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It's the lead. He's just he's a little smaller. He's
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: not the greatest athlete.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: That's the reason Sonny Style is an elite prospect in
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this guy's not as good because production wise, if you
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: put Jacob Rodriguez in Sonny Style's body, you could justify
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: it as raiders. Like I'm just gonna take this guy
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: number one overall, what are you gonna do at quarterback?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I will figure it out later. We think this guy
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: could be the greatest football player of all time, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that's not how the draft works. That's why you get
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: these guys, you know, kind of falling in the second round.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at the Tennessee corner as I'm recording,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: this is early in the third round. McCoy. And here's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the thing with the draft is general managers. I mean
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: a large percentage of them were probably small school college
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: football players. Obviously some guys like how he didn't play,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: but I bet if you just went around, they were
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: college football players in some form of fashion. I think
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: less Sneed played it Auburn. John Schneider played at like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: D three. John Lynch played in the NFL. You just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: kind of work your way. Elliott Wolfe's Ron Wolf's son,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Dan Morgan, you know, obviously NFL player. But these guys
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: are football guys. They're not They didn't go to medical school,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they didn't do their residency at John Hopkins.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Uh So when they get the information from their doctor,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and if you're a if all these teams, their doctors
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: are typically coming from you know, the Eagles their doctors
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: coming from like U Penn, the Niners coming from Stanford,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the Rams, and the Chargers coming from UCLA. Like you're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: getting the best of the best, and they're going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the combine or they're going to some of their personal medicals.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And if they tell you it's not good, I wouldn't
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: draft this guy. What are you gonna do argue with him.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: This isn't like a player to player like, this isn't
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: one of those situations where it's like Caden McDonald's like, oh,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't love his past rush, I don't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: love his interior penetration, but he's great against the run.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He can two gap, he can take on two guys.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: His efforts, incredible, high character. You can argue players till
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you're blue in the face. It's honestly the most fun
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: part about working in football, especially this, you know, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: leading up to the just arguing over players and talking
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: about players. But when the medical people get involved and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: they go, yeah, it's knee shot, Like what's your rebuttal,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: it's like are you sure? Like yeah, I mean I've
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: seen been looking at knees for thirty years. This is
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: not good, you know. I saw someone said it must
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: be shredded like chicken or something. I mean, it's just
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. This is a guy that I think, fully healthy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: would have been in the Mexico in the top ten.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But that's that's the part of the draft. It's like
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: one team that's having a really good draft.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Is where they take him. The Jets were where were
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the New York Football Jets number fifty, de Angelo Ponds.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I thought Lewis Riddicks was right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: He said, the only thing this I lacks' size if
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you and this is why a guy like this goes
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: in the second round. But do you know how good
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you have to be to go pick fifty at corner
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and be five to eight point eighty? Do you know
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: how good you have to be to be picked in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the top fifty picks at five eight one hundred and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: eighty pounds. I can't think of the guy's name off
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the top of my head. But the forty nine ers,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the dude they took last year in the fifth round
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Nickel like same thing. He's like five to seven of
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: bucks sixty and he's like, well, their best players on defense.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But you just can't justify taking small guys. I mean,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: look at the size of some of these people playing
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and especially a guy like that. It's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: gonna have to play probably a lot of nickel. But
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Fernando Mendez is number one overall pick and you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: win the Heisman Trophy. You could argue that di'angelo Ponds
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: was their best player pound for pound, their best player,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: just an absolute baller. I mean, the Jets are having
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a good draft. They are. They have a lot of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: good players. There is no there's The Browns are having
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a good draft, and they're great examples of when you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: have no quarterback, Like it does feel like they're just
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl level quarterback from both being playoff teams
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna keep drafting like this. The other there
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: are two guys that went back to back that Oklahoma
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: was like. Their problem down the stretch was John Mattier
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: got injured, messed up his thumb, and I started thinking, like,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: is this guy even that good? And I actually at
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the combine talked to an assistant coach who's now working
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: in the NFL for a team, and he'd been around
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma in the last couple of years and he loves him. Honestly,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I was. I was several cocktails deep and I was like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: what's this guy's deal? And he just went on and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: this is a defensive coach and he swears by him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, I'm resold, I'm back in on
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma Sooners next year. But their defense was awesome.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were you could argue as good of
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a defense as any by metrics. I mean, at one
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: point time, I think they were the best defense the SEC,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: but just on the eye test in terms of three
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: levels of physicality, speed tackling. The Chiefs getting Mason our
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Mason Thomas at pick forty, I mean, so you get
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: last night, you get a star corner. I mean, he's
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: got a chance to be a shutdown, pro Bowl level corner.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You get a defensive lineman for Clemson that I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you pull the trigger on that. You're basically just blaming
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the Clemson coaches for screwing it up. And obviously you're
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: gonna have to stay on his ass to you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: play harder. I think that was a big issue with
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: all these guys of the Clemson defensive line is this
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: was not like the Cleveland Ferrell Christian Wackett Wilkins group.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins obviously is a butt of many people's jokes.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The guy was a baller in college. I mean that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: defensive line that the national championship teams had were leghit,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and that's what this group was supposed to be. It
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, and it just didn't live up
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to the hype. Parker Woods, their DB's and the A's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: didn't happen, but Oklahoma's did. And our Mason Thomas to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: me like, you couldn't watch Oklahoma play and he stood
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: out Edge Rusher to go with, Carl loftis to go with.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Now their couple defensive linemen, you get a legit dB.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I think they go, hey, we do offense that we
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: bring in Kenneth Walker. We're gonna run the ball more
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: this year. I've been saying it over and over. I
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: truly believe that he's gonna try to be more intentional
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: about the ground game. I think they're gonna emphasize that
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: this year to make it easier on Patrick. And they
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: also got justin Fields who they can bring it in
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: packages run him around as well. And then if you
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: watch Texas A and M, this guy just he had
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that classic like mid nineties. The pads ended like at
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: his third ab and he was a complete badass. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I get it. He has arms like the size of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a twelve inch ruler and no one like him and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Ruben Bain small arms terrified people at defensive line. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: when you watch Cash's Howell play for Texas A and M,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: he wrecked fucking shop. So people you know, the Steelers,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: who I'm gonna get to on Sunday Like that is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel for McCarthy. The Ravens still got
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of question marks, got a lot of new faces,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: new coaching staff. I do think the Bengals got a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: chance to be pretty good. You bring in Dexter Lawrence,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you sign Mafey, You got Shamar Stewart, which listen if
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: he can just be a backup and just say hey,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: twenty five thirty plays, just run hard and same with
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this guy. I mean, I do think they got some
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: reinforcements up front. We know how good and talented the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback and the two receivers are. I'm pretty confident the
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Bengals are as sitting here right now, might pick to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: win that division. Zion Young was a guy kind of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: discussed about the first round. You know, the Ravens definitely
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: need some edge pressure. Same with the Lions. Going back
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to back here, Derek More and Zion Young to the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Lions and the and the Ravens. I mean two teams.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: The Lions get very very eight and Huts is independent.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: And for a split second, I thought, Jacob rod because
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the Lions trade, and then it said Jacob Rodriguez. I'm like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell had to have a woody watching this guy play,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and then I realized he went to the Dolphins, so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I couldn't make that joke. Jeremy Bernard the Alabama wide receiver, clearly.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not even debatable. They wanted Makai Lemon
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: at picked twenty one, and they want, you know, a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: big slot to like Aaron Rodgers likes the big slot
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: when you look historically, like they utilized that kind of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: body type Pittman two, like McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Jordan Nelson's, the Davante Adams, like they like that bigger
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: body type that you can move around in different spots.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And this guy, you know, you could argue as the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: best receiver last year. Like I said, Ponds just a baller.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Terrell the Clemson corner going to Atlanta with his brother's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that's just one of the cooler stories. Going Lee Hunter
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, just a monster inside. That's a good pick.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: The Panthers the actually South most of these guys in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the second round. I like, like there weren't many guys
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: drafted that I was like, I like that, Like CJ.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Allen from Georgia. I feel like I've been watching that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: guy fifteen tackles a game for three straight years. Then
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I googled it. He enrolled early out of high school
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and he was starting by his freshman year. And I mean,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: this guy, I know there's some knock on. He's not
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the most He's not like Fred Warner Roquan Smith in
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: terms of fluidity as an athlete. Roquan obviously a Georgia
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: guy who was just a much better athlete. I think
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: just in the open space, there's a natural instinctive nature
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to this guy's game that his just nose around the football.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I think CJ. Allen's playing in the NFL for a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: long time now. Is he going to become Ray Lewis
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: or Fred Warner. I'm not sure about that, but I
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: do think at pick fifty three and one thing the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Colts do have a good history of it's drafting linebackers.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I think this guy's a plug and play linebacker. Eagles
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: go with tours, so now they got multiple tight ends,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: They've added a million wide receivers. Sneaky, a lot of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: pressure on Jalen Hurts. Like that's part of that article
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that comes out. You bring in this new coordinator. There's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: just always a lot of eyeballs on this team. You
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: just like surrounded you with a lot of different weapons,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: tight ends that are in theory closer to the line
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage. You don't have to throw it as far.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Big targets too. I feel like Eli Stower's like six
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: six six'. FOUR i, mean you're talking about tall body.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Types other than, that the The toledo. SAFETY i had
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a good friend in THE nfl that got, like at
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: one point in, time people are talking about him going
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: in like the top. Twenty some of these mocks had
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: them like teen or fifteen or. Sixteen some of the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: GUYS i relied on thought he was pretty. Overrated they
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: did not see. It this was much more the, range
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like past pick fifty and The browns get him to
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: pick fifty, Eight like that's really good. Value that's part
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of this entire exercise is this is a economic. Exercise
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: this is not just picking, players, right it's picking players
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: at what. Value like if you love a, guy you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: wouldn't take him in the first round if you knew
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you could get him in the third. Round and that
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: is the general manager's job to be able to assess
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: every player in the draft that you like or even
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: that you don't, like and have a gauge of where
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: they're going to. Go, now lots out of your, control
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you can't know for, certain but you have a pretty
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: good idea of who's going where in. Ranges and that's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: why some of these teams get crushed for. Overdrafting it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: almost feels they don't know. Value and typically the people
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that don't know value are the, coaches because you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: why the coaches don't give a. Shit they want that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: player get him to me. Now that's what was so
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: weird about last night With Ty. Simpson it felt Like
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: lesnie was, LIKE i love this, GUY i want him,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: now and maybe he could convince. Me you. KNOW i
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: think right before we hopped, On Carson beck went picked sixty,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: five so it's fair to say The cardinals would have
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Taken Ty simpson at pick thirty. FOUR i don't think
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: The rams weren't picking until sixty, one SO i think
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: they would argue we just never would have got. HIM
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: i would have been, like that's part of the way
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: the draft. Works But Carson BECKS i Heard Albert breer say,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: this and it makes a lot of. Sense in bad quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: drafts when only one or two guys go in the first,
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  Speaker 2: round typically you're not going to see many guys go
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  Speaker 2: in the second or third round because in a bad quarterback,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: draft it inflates People like this, year, Right Dante, Moore
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  Speaker 2: there's just not another crop of guys That Ty simpson
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  Speaker 2: is able to work his way. Up it's like he's
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  Speaker 2: clearly the second best. Quarterback AND i don't even disagree with.
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  Speaker 2: THAT i UNDERSTAND i would rather HAVE i probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want any of these, guys but Like Ty, SIMPSON i
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  Speaker 2: get the, Argument Carson, Beck Drew all or, whatever you,
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  Speaker 2: go Diego, pavia who's not gonna get. Drafted but you
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  Speaker 2: know WHAT i, mean in bad quarterback, drafts you're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna see many guys go in the second or third
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  Speaker 2: round because if you take a guy in the second,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: round typically you believe the guy has like the guy
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  Speaker 2: can be your. Starter you're not taking a backup quarterback
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  Speaker 2: in the second. Round like one, year a couple guys.
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  Speaker 2: Win it's Like Jimmy, Garoppolo Derek, carr you, know historically Like.
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  Speaker 2: Hackenberg Now i'm not saying not all these guys work,
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  Speaker 2: out but your mindset is this guy can be a starting,
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  Speaker 2: quarterback because if you just want a, backup you just
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: wait till like the fourth or fifth round and then you.
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  Speaker 2: Take it's why last year The Riley, leonard The Will,
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  Speaker 2: howard like those guys were viewed as. Backups you wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Wait he's a second or third round pick on that.
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  Speaker 2: Guy and you, Know Carson Carson, beck he's kind of
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  Speaker 2: right on the fringe that shittier. Draft so it's definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Inflated you. KNOW i would say most drafts you take
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  Speaker 2: a guy at sixty, five it's, like you, know just
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  Speaker 2: let him kind of come in and. COMPETE i don't
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  Speaker 2: know If Carson beck could beat Out Jacoby. BURSETT i
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: definitely think he could beat Out Gardner minshew right, now
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  Speaker 2: though any other picks at the end of the first.
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  Speaker 2: ROUND i, liked once you get to the third, round
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  Speaker 2: you kind of start losing me a little, bit gets
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a little. Random it's kind of. Flying Then Drew. Aller
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Drew aler went to The Pittsburgh. Steelers me and my,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: guy Producer Shane, here we were talking before we hopped
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: on and when you you, know he lives In New.
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  Speaker 2: York he went To, syracuse like he's been in bad
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: weather WHEN i lived those couple of, years you know
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  Speaker 2: in Downtown. Philadelphia i've been To pittsburgh Or, boston Or,
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  Speaker 2: washington Or baltimore Or cleveland Or, cincinnati you Know. Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: these games once you get to, know remember The chiefs
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  Speaker 2: playoff game against two a couple of years ago On.
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  Speaker 2: Peacock you have to have a strong. Arm you can't
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  Speaker 2: have a weak arm and play in these. Areas Like
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Rock purty can thrive with the forty nine. Ers if
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you Put Brock purty on The New York, jets even
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: If Kyle shanahan was his, quarterback it would not go as.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Well there's a reason why when you look at the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: best quarterbacks over the last several, decades most of them
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: in the cold weather cities have had big. ARMS i
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: would Say Joe burrow And Lamar jackson are somewhat outliers
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: because really the best quarterbacks they Replaced flaco And Carson.
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  Speaker 2: PALMER i know he didn't directly Replace Carson. Palmer like
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you need a big arm in The, Roethlisberger Tom, Brady donovan,
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  Speaker 2: McNabb Eli. Manning these guys had. Howitzers you need a
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: host because it gets windy And. Colt look At caleb
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  Speaker 2: now In, Chicago Patrick, Mahomes Josh allen And. Buffalo you,
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  Speaker 2: Know drew Brees well easier to play in the. Dome
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  Speaker 2: Perty it's Like stafford's one of those. Guys now he
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: plays in a, dome but he could have, thrived you,
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  Speaker 2: know Like rogers or far out in the fridgid cold
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  Speaker 2: because of the arm. Strength and it's really. Important So
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  Speaker 2: pittsburgh Takes dreuler seventy six to, ME i want to like.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: HIM i had money on them a couple of years
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  Speaker 2: ago when they lost A Notre dame in that playoff.
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  Speaker 2: GAME i just feel like something's missing as a. Player
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  Speaker 2: hard to judge. Him this year kind of got derailed
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  Speaker 2: after That Penn state OR i mean The oregon. Game
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: but he was not good in that game. Either remember
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: they were down was fourteen to nothing and they lose
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  Speaker 2: seventeen to fourteen or twenty to fourteen or whatever in,
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  Speaker 2: overtime and he threw that horrendous pick to the New bear.
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  Speaker 2: SAFETY i just feel like there's something off with his.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Field that's Where i'll Give Carson beck some. Credit he
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was much better this year and especially down the, stretch
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  Speaker 2: Like Carson beck's a better player Than Drew. ALLER i
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  Speaker 2: don't even think it's. DEBATABLE i don't Think miami is
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  Speaker 2: in The National championship With Drue aller is the quarterback In,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: miami AND i think if you flip flop, HIM i
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  Speaker 2: Bet Penn. State who, knows Maybe James franklin is still
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: At Penn. State SO i Thought Mario christobaul was. Crazy
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  Speaker 2: Given Carson beck all that money last year to transfer
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: From georgia kind of was a good, move you. Know
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: and in, FAIRNESS i thought he was. Nuts WHEN i
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: read six and a half millions For Ty simpson might
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: not have been crazy. EITHER i DON'T i haven't watched
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Enough duke football the quarterback they, got But i'd imagine
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that guy's gonna be pretty good. Too so Help miami
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: keep spending money like, this they'll eventually win A. Natty
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna do a much deeper dive On sunday's. RECORD
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: i had a lot of thoughts today AND i was,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like you know, What i'm gonna save a little something
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: something for A monday, show you. Know The Ty simpson
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  Speaker 2: comps to The packers With Jordan love And Aaron. RODGERS
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  Speaker 2: i want to go in on. That The steelers moment
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  Speaker 2: last NIGHT i think was pretty indicative of something that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: been going on now for a couple of years THAT
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: i just don't think it's talked about. Enough and Then
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: i'm sure we'll have some more trades and some more you,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: know veteran guys get get maneuvered two different teams or who.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: KNOWS i, mean there's still some random guys like on
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the street that haven't signed because typically they wait for
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the draft to happen and then maybe they try to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: get a little bit more. Money It's Keenan allen. Anywhere you,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Know debo just opened up a bar here In. Scottsdale
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: pretty sure he's not on a. Team so then there
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: are a lot of, guys you, Know Cam, Jordan, Nick Joey,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: bosa you, know, veteran bigger, name, former highly paid guys
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: WHO i think have just kind of been waiting it,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: out hoping that the teams that were interested in them
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily stock up early in a draft on that
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: position that are more likely to give them an extra
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: million or two to come sign with. Them so we'll
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: talk about that On. Sunday and hopefully you guys enjoy
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: your weekend and enjoy the third day of the. Draft
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that could drag a little. Bit that can, uh that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: could be a rough. WATCH i Love football's made a
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: living off talking about this sport and watching you, know
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: these games for six months during the. Fall but the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: third day of the, draft, HELL i worked in, it
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: AND i remember thinking like this is this is, boring
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: so it can it can, Be it can be a.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Grind that's probably. Wife rabel and his wife are headed
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: to the counciling tomorrow AND i wish them the best
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: and we will talk On. Monday see it
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  Speaker 1: The volume