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The Night COVID Closed the Doors and 3 Million People Heard the Gospel · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Michael. It's an honor to be with you today.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Neff, CEO of Sight & Sound Theaters, which brings
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  Speaker 2: the Bible to life. I'm big fans of what you
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  Speaker 2: guys do. You do this through live theatrical musicals, celebrating
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  Speaker 2: your 50th anniversary this year. You guys have theaters in Lancaster, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 2: and Branson, Missouri. As I say, Lancaster, I think. I
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  Speaker 2: might be mispronouncing that.
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  Speaker 4: Not bad.
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  Speaker 3: Not bad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to assume everybody knows what you guys do,
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  Speaker 2: who you are. What do you think makes Sight &
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  Speaker 2: Sound unique? And for those who have never been there,
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  Speaker 2: what is Sight & Sound?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we are first and foremost storytellers. That is our calling.
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  Speaker 4: That is our passion. We love bringing either the Bible
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  Speaker 4: to life on stage shows or true redemptive stories of
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  Speaker 4: God's intervention with man on screen via films.
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  Speaker 3: That's our passion. And we love storytelling.
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  Speaker 4: Using the creativity God has given us to tell these
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  Speaker 4: stories that have been changing lives for hundreds or thousands
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  Speaker 4: of years. And our role is simply to tell them
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  Speaker 4: again and see how the Lord works through them. And
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  Speaker 4: that does not get boring.
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  Speaker 2: And these are not just Bible plays. I'll try my
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  Speaker 2: best to describe it, but I think I've heard it
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  Speaker 2: described as a stage as wide as a football field.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of a surround sound stage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You have live animals, you have screens, you have special effects,
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  Speaker 5: there's people walking up and down the aisles, you know, characters,
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  Speaker 5: characters and animals, and it's a musical, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: What would you add or, yeah, I mean, did I
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  Speaker 2: get some of that right?
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  Speaker 4: You totally did. You sound like a pro.
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  Speaker 3: You've been here.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think the biggest thing that makes us unique,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to maybe say traditional theater, is the
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  Speaker 4: immersive experience.
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  Speaker 3: Elements.
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  Speaker 4: And that's been from the beginning. Our founder, Glenn, as
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  Speaker 4: a creative and an artist, just wanted to put people
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  Speaker 4: in the heart of the story. How can we make
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  Speaker 4: it more relative to the person in the seat? So
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  Speaker 4: some of the things you mentioned are ways that we
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  Speaker 4: do that. So every show when we're designing it, it's
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  Speaker 4: designed with that in mind. How do we surround the
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  Speaker 4: guest with the story that they can be a part
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  Speaker 4: of that? And what we see happen is when you're
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  Speaker 4: in the story, walls can come down, It connects hearts
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  Speaker 4: to what the Lord wants to do. So some of
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  Speaker 4: my favorite things to watch are if a guest comes in,
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  Speaker 4: you can spot the guest who was drunk there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: by a significant other, like the guy whose wife took
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  Speaker 4: him to some Bible show, right? And in the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: you know, his arms are crossed and he looks like
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  Speaker 4: the furrowed brow. And then halfway through, he's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: all right, this is not what I expected. And by
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  Speaker 4: the end, he's crying, you know, like those are my
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  Speaker 4: favorite moments when you see that happen with guests.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah. That's what we get to do.
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  Speaker 2: How do you guys make sure that the spectacle doesn't
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  Speaker 2: overshadow the message, though? Because it's both, but I'm just curious,
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  Speaker 2: what would you say to that?
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  Speaker 4: That is probably some of the most passionate debates in
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  Speaker 4: the production process are letting story drive the spectacle. We
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  Speaker 4: love cool stuff and things that impact people, but we
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  Speaker 4: have to be really vigilant to say, but does it
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  Speaker 4: serve the story? Does it advance the story? And if
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't, then we have to Cut our darlings, so
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  Speaker 4: to speak. Things we might be a little attached to, like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: that would have looked cool. Yeah, but if it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: really advance the story, it's not going to serve it.
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  Speaker 4: And that makes for a better production, is what we found,
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  Speaker 4: just by really being committed to what moves the story
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  Speaker 4: forward the best. And I love how some of my
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  Speaker 4: colleagues like to say it, when spectacle and story meet,
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  Speaker 4: that's like the magic that can happen at sight and sound.
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  Speaker 4: Great example of that would be an older show, right? Noah,
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  Speaker 4: the story of Noah. Top of Act 2, you are
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  Speaker 4: in the Ark for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: The audience is literally in the Ark.
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  Speaker 4: The curtains rise and you're surrounded by it. And it's
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  Speaker 4: a moment where it's all coming together for Noah too.
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  Speaker 4: So the heart of the story is hitting the same
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  Speaker 4: time the spectacle is being revealed. Those are the magic
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  Speaker 4: moments that we strive to hit. And just see what
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  Speaker 4: the Lord does with that. It's pretty fun.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if you have an answer for this,
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  Speaker 6: but I'm curious. How many different characters of the Bible
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  Speaker 6: have you guys– spotlighted. And if you don't know, just
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  Speaker 6: kind of help me name some of them. Samuel, Noah, Moses, Daniel, David.
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  Speaker 6: Those are ones that are off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 6: I think you had an Esther.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus, Esther, Ruth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Let's talk about Joshua. That's your latest production.
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  Speaker 2: Give us a preview of what that production is. And
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  Speaker 2: I ask that because you could have gone a thousand
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  Speaker 2: directions with that story.
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  Speaker 3: That's always the challenge.
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  Speaker 2: It's my understanding that it began, I haven't seen it yet.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I had, but it's my understanding that it
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  Speaker 2: begins long before he takes the mantle of leadership. Is
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  Speaker 2: that correct?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And, and that's, I guess I'll give this little
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  Speaker 4: sneak peek away, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like we wanted to jump into.
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  Speaker 4: The heart of the story and portray what made Joshua, Joshua.
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  Speaker 4: So the top of the show literally jumps right into
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  Speaker 4: the crossing of the Red Sea. Like, boom, curtain opens.
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  Speaker 4: There's Moses on the rock.
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  Speaker 3: Here they go.
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  Speaker 4: And you start to see this just normal Israelite Joshua.
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  Speaker 4: You see his character revealed in that first scene, even
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  Speaker 4: in the crossing. You're like, there's something different about this guy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when everybody's complaining, there's something different.
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  Speaker 3: About this guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's keyed into what God is doing. He's keyed into
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  Speaker 4: honoring Moses.
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  Speaker 3: As their leader.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a buildup to who this guy is.
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  Speaker 4: The hard part when we're producing shows is identify what's
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  Speaker 4: the core message we believe the Lord once told through
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  Speaker 4: the story today, right? So it's not just, well, let's
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  Speaker 4: retell Joshua. It's, no, what's the core theme?
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  Speaker 3: What's the message?
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  Speaker 4: And so like, for example, what emerged in this production
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  Speaker 4: was the fact that the actual promised land was more
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  Speaker 4: about the giver of the promise, right? Like the heart
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  Speaker 4: of Moses, the heart of Joshua was to be about
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  Speaker 4: God who was giving the promise. He is the promised land,
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  Speaker 4: not the physical space so much, right? So it's like
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  Speaker 4: most of Israel is like, let's just get to the,
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  Speaker 4: get us to the promised land, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And you have that moment in the Bible with scripture
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  Speaker 4: where Moses is saying like, Lord, if you go without,
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  Speaker 4: or if you let us go there, but you're not
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  Speaker 4: going with us, your presence is ignored before us, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to go.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's the heartbeat.
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  Speaker 4: So that essence of being with him is one of
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  Speaker 4: the things we got to communicate through this story. And
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  Speaker 4: that's the part I love about the show the most.
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  Speaker 4: You just see this heart after the father and the fulfillment,
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  Speaker 4: joy and peace, because you can find that in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 4: You can find that when you have new food, when
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  Speaker 4: you have new weather, like his presence is always accessible
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  Speaker 4: to us. So for me, that's probably the main theme
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  Speaker 4: that I love coming out of his production. And that's
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  Speaker 4: the fun work is like mining for what are those subtle,
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  Speaker 4: maybe hidden themes behind these characters that we've read about
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  Speaker 4: hundreds of times maybe. Or in some cases, people have
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  Speaker 4: never heard the story and now this is their first introduction.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of times these productions, movies as well,
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  Speaker 2: not specifically sight and sound movies, but Bible movies and
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  Speaker 2: Bible productions, it's not driving back to the Bible because
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  Speaker 2: I want to know which part of that was 100% biblical.
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  Speaker 2: That really is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes I'm shocked to learn that it was in
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  Speaker 2: the Bible, you know, to my own shame. But how
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  Speaker 2: do you guys balance creativity with biblical fidelity? Because that's
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  Speaker 2: a question anybody who does these types of projects has
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  Speaker 2: to deal with.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because we recognize like we're, we are telling a creative portrayal, right?
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  Speaker 4: A true story, but not just a true story, a
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  Speaker 4: sacred scripture. So we take that pretty seriously. So When
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  Speaker 4: push comes to shove, it's always going to err on,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to honor God's word, right? Like, we're not
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  Speaker 4: going to, I don't know, add some kind of crazy
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  Speaker 4: character there.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to make you go, wait, what?
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  Speaker 4: What's this message about, right? That's not what the message
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  Speaker 4: of that scripture said. So, finding creative ways to tell that. Like,
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  Speaker 4: for example, we don't know much about Joshua's wife in scripture.
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  Speaker 4: In the show, we have a character who plays his wife,
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  Speaker 4: and she's a key part of the show. and how
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  Speaker 4: she helps call him up, how they grow together. We
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  Speaker 4: don't really know what that relationship looks like scripturally, but
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  Speaker 4: that's not going to detract from core scripture, if that
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  Speaker 4: makes sense. So that's how we endeavor to handle that.
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  Speaker 2: And the cool thing about these productions is each one
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  Speaker 2: of them ends with a gospel presentation. For those who
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  Speaker 2: don't know, that's how it ends. You have the story
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  Speaker 2: of Joshua, you have the story of Moses, you have
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  Speaker 2: the story of David, and at the end of every
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  Speaker 2: single show, You hear a gospel presentation. How did that
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  Speaker 2: start and why is that so important to you guys?
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  Speaker 4: That's a good question. How did it start?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that's kind of always just one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does stretch back to the very
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  Speaker 2: beginning because I think you're fabulous. So that's what I've
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  Speaker 2: heard at least. You're founders.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: That was the point. You don't want to convert people
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  Speaker 2: to followers of Joshua. You want to convert people to
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  Speaker 2: followers of Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well said.
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  Speaker 3: That's about scripture, right?
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  Speaker 4: And every story presents either a direct or a shadowed
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  Speaker 4: image of Christ to come. So like, for example, in
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  Speaker 4: this show, Joshua, right? There's that moment where the angel
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  Speaker 4: of the Lord meets Joshua before they take Jericho. And
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  Speaker 4: it's one of my favorite, like, even one of my
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  Speaker 4: favorite scriptural interactions, even though it's brief. I just love
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  Speaker 4: the fact that Joshua meets, he sees this warrior and
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  Speaker 4: he goes, are you with us or against us?
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  Speaker 3: It's like, neither.
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  Speaker 4: The commander that hosts the Lord's armies. Oh, Joshua's on
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  Speaker 4: the ground, right?
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  Speaker 3: Shoes off. Like, this is all we know about.
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  Speaker 4: So, there is that element in this story as well.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where you get to see Christ interact with him. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: everything is geared to point to him because that's what
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  Speaker 4: scripture does.
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  Speaker 2: So, amen to that. And you guys are I think
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  Speaker 2: you're going to film one of these, film it before
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  Speaker 2: a live audience and show it. You're going to bring
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  Speaker 2: it to theaters all across America. Yeah. October the 30th.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything you would add to that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we love getting to do that because we recognize
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  Speaker 4: right now that show is running in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. So
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  Speaker 4: the only way to see it is to physically come.
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  Speaker 4: Not everybody can do that.
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  Speaker 3: So to capture.
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  Speaker 4: That before a live audience and then do a quick
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  Speaker 4: edit and then show it around the country in movie
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  Speaker 4: theaters is pretty exciting. It's a great way for people
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  Speaker 4: to experience the story who maybe can't physically come.
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  Speaker 2: And for those who missed what we said at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the podcast here, there's a location in Lancaster,
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  Speaker 2: one in Branson. They don't show the same production, though.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what's showing in Branson right now,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not Joshua. David is showing there. How often
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  Speaker 2: do you guys launch new productions?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty frequently.
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  Speaker 4: We are always working on two new productions at a time.
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  Speaker 4: It's a four-year process to create a show from start
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  Speaker 4: to finish. So, yeah, we have new ones in the
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  Speaker 4: works and excited to tell them if here's a hit.
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  Speaker 2: When does the next one launch? Do we know that yet?
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  Speaker 4: Well, next year we will have Jonah returning to the
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  Speaker 4: Lancaster stage. It was last year, 2017. And every time
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  Speaker 4: a show returns, it gives us a fresh opportunity to say,
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  Speaker 4: all right, how do we make this more relevant for today?
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  Speaker 4: What technology didn't exist last time it was on stage
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  Speaker 4: that we can incorporate to make it more impactful? And
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  Speaker 4: then at Branson, we'll have Daniel, the story of Daniel
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  Speaker 4: will premiere in Branson next year. It'll be brand new
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  Speaker 4: for the Branson stage.
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  Speaker 3: And we're excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of a brand new, brand new one, though,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're more than a year away from that one, though.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned. Well, we can talk about the movies. You
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  Speaker 2: guys are now in the movies as well. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's called Sight and Sound Films. You had a movie
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago called I Heard the Bells. And
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  Speaker 2: then you had one this year called Great Awakening, which
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  Speaker 2: was about the friendship between Benjamin Franklin and I forget
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  Speaker 2: the evangelist's name.
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  Speaker 3: George Whitfield.
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  Speaker 2: George Whitfield. Thank you so much. I kind of just
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  Speaker 2: had a brain lapse there. Wonderful movie. And people love
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  Speaker 2: those movies. Some people wondered when you guys were doing this,
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  Speaker 2: why is Sight and Sound getting into movies? And I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody else knows now. It's because they're pretty good
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  Speaker 2: at it. But why did you guys want to do films?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those, boy, it wasn't birthed out
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  Speaker 4: of like, boy, it'd be cool to make movies.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do that. Because it's really hard.
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  Speaker 4: Work and very expensive to do it. It was really,
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  Speaker 4: we felt called. It's as simple as that. We felt
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  Speaker 4: like the Lord really stirred us to a different style
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  Speaker 4: of storytelling. How could we reach people maybe in fresh
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  Speaker 4: ways that we aren't through stage productions? And as we
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  Speaker 4: teased that out and really sought the Lord on it,
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  Speaker 4: we also felt clarity that they would, like the stage shows,
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  Speaker 4: they would also be true stories, ways that we've seen
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  Speaker 4: God work in the life of mankind. And we sensed
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  Speaker 4: that they did not necessarily have to be Bible stories.
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  Speaker 4: So that kind of opened things very, very broadly. And
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  Speaker 4: there were just certain stories, and then we felt like
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  Speaker 4: the Lord would stir in our hearts. So like with
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  Speaker 4: The Great Awakening, that was one that stirred actually, boy,
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  Speaker 4: all the way back to, I'd say 2019 originally is
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  Speaker 4: when it started to percolate. But we felt like it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't the first one to tell. Like it's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit too big of a story for it first. So
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  Speaker 4: it became the second film. And just that relationship between
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  Speaker 4: George and Ben that most people don't know about, how
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  Speaker 4: formative it was to our nation. But more than that,
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  Speaker 4: how much God.
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  Speaker 3: Desires for us.
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  Speaker 4: Day to awaken to his presence, to awaken to him
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  Speaker 4: in our lives. And so our film was, our intent
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  Speaker 4: was for a call for America to awaken once again,
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  Speaker 4: because we did it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, let me ask you about COVID. I know
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  Speaker 2: that that was a unique time in the nation's history,
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  Speaker 2: and especially sight and sound, because you guys rely on
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  Speaker 2: in-person visitation. You still rely on streams like Hollywood can.
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  Speaker 2: So what types of Challenges did that present, and how
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  Speaker 2: did you guys survive?
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  Speaker 3: Man, extreme challenges.
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  Speaker 4: Because right before that happened, I mean, we were teed
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  Speaker 4: up to have the strongest year we'd ever had. Record
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  Speaker 4: pre-bookings at that point for Queen Esther was going to
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  Speaker 4: be a brand new show. Here at Lancaster, Noah was
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  Speaker 4: going to be on stage with Branson.
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  Speaker 3: We were pumped. And supposed to open mid-April, or I'm sorry, mid-March.
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  Speaker 4: And the week we're supposed to open that week, That
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday night, I'm watching basketball with my boys, and the
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  Speaker 4: announcer comes on and says, the NBA is going to
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  Speaker 4: suspend the season starting tomorrow. And I just went, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is not good. I just couldn't believe it. And
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  Speaker 4: the next day is when everything started to unravel, so
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  Speaker 4: to speak. And our governor in Pennsylvania asked large venues
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  Speaker 4: to close immediately. So we went into triage.
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  Speaker 3: Mode as far as, Lord, what are we doing? Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we didn't know. Like, is this two weeks?
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  Speaker 3: Is this a month? You know, nobody knew. So we
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  Speaker 3: decided that we would honor that. We would close. And
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  Speaker 3: then just kept seeking the Lord. Like, what is your wisdom?
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  Speaker 4: And pretty quickly, it's interesting. One of the things we
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  Speaker 4: felt like the Lord challenged us was, what's in your hand?
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  Speaker 4: Kind of the question he asked Moses, you know, what's
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  Speaker 4: in your hand?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, a staff.
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  Speaker 2: He throws it down.
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  Speaker 3: That's a snake.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's more than a staff. In our case, we
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  Speaker 4: had the story of Jesus ready to be in movie
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  Speaker 4: theaters Easter weekend. And then movie theaters were closed as well.
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  Speaker 4: So we were like, what do we do? So we
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  Speaker 4: reached out to some broadcast networks and Trinity TVN said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we'd love to show that worldwide and stream it Easter weekend.
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  Speaker 3: We're like, go for it.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is.
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  Speaker 4: And best estimates, somewhere north of three, three and a
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  Speaker 4: half million, maybe more people around the world experience the
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  Speaker 4: story of Jesus in three days. Well, You know, if
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  Speaker 4: we have two sold-out theaters in a full year, that's
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  Speaker 4: like 1.4, 1.5 million people we can reach in a year.
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  Speaker 4: In three days of us being closed, way more people
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  Speaker 4: experienced the gospel. That was mind-blowing. And even though that wasn't,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that didn't bring in anything financially, it was
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  Speaker 4: like reaching people. And it stirred us to accelerate the
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: launch of Sight Sound TV.
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  Speaker 3: As a streaming platform.
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  Speaker 4: It gave us the idea to broadcast Queen Esther once
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  Speaker 4: we were able to run the show again later that fall.
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  Speaker 4: And so we get to the end of the year.
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  Speaker 4: Biggest financial loss we'd ever had in our history.
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  Speaker 3: We had barely survived.
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  Speaker 4: We had to take on a new bank that kind
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  Speaker 4: of got us through with a breach loan and all that.
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  Speaker 4: And we had reached three times more people than.
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  Speaker 3: We had ever reached in a year.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like, Lord, how did Betches tap it?
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it went that way. And I know you
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  Speaker 2: guys were under some heavy restrictions there in Pennsylvania, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming Missouri as well. I don't know, state halls. Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: state restrictions are different. But you guys had limited seating.
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  Speaker 2: I guess you were spaced out for a while. At
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  Speaker 2: what point did you guys go full theater once again?
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, man, in Lancaster, not until I think halfway through 2021.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, it was a long, long haul.
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  Speaker 4: It's either closure or then greatly reduced capacity. Missouri, we
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: did some spacing in 2020, but then 2021, we were
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: back full normal ability anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Some of my favorite restaurants in America were kind of
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: either closed or really changed their menu during COVID. So
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  Speaker 2: I think COVID really impacted some of us in ways
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: like that that really didn't have a major impact. But
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  Speaker 2: you guys had your ministry kind of I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if threatens is the word, but I mean, you guys
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  Speaker 2: were in danger of closing. I mean, what did you
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  Speaker 2: guys learn about God's faithfulness during that time?
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  Speaker 4: Well, what's cool is we saw, and we've seen this
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  Speaker 4: many times in our past, near-death experiences, but gone, right?
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  Speaker 3: But here's what's cool.
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  Speaker 4: The thing I realized, and it's interesting, that first day
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: where we decided like, okay, we're going to close in mid-March. Yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: it was a crazy day, wild day, long day, exhausting day.
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  Speaker 4: And so the next morning, I wake up and I'm just.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Staying in bed. I'm just praying. I'm like, Lord, what
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  Speaker 3: is going on? You know, that.
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  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden he starts reminding me of
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: his faithfulness in past seasons. But not just that. He
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: revealed to me, he used those to take us from
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: where we were to where we were supposed to be next.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa.
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  Speaker 4: So you're up to something new. And so I literally
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: came into work excited. And I remember finding one of
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: my colleagues and shared that. He's like, are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I woke up this morning with this burning
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  Speaker 4: sense of how do we get the people? If they
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: can't come to us, how do we go to them?
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  Speaker 4: So all of that's what led to the Jesus on
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  Speaker 4: TV and all those things. So again, it's the Lord, yes, faithful,
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  Speaker 4: not just faithful. It's like, and let's work towards what's next.
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  Speaker 4: And usually we get comfortable, right? It's like, we don't
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  Speaker 4: want to change. Figured it out. Let's keep doing this thing.
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  Speaker 4: The Lord's like, nah, I got something else in mind.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what we've seen, not just faith, but through
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  Speaker 4: the faithfulness taking us to what's next, as only he
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  Speaker 4: can do.
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  Speaker 5: Do.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.