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Ep 138: The Life and Times of a Squirrel Man · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely
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  Speaker 1: bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You
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  Speaker 1: can't predict anything. We're looking out the window right now
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  Speaker 1: and there's a green heron fishing. When we just looked
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  Speaker 1: at that a second ago and I wanted to mention it.
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  Speaker 1: We used to my old man had um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like the drum inside of a washing machine, like, and
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  Speaker 1: they'll like the old days, they just had like these
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  Speaker 1: big steel perforated drums inside of top loading washing machine.
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  Speaker 1: We use one of those for alive well off of
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  Speaker 1: some industrial size washing machine, right, because it's already perforated.
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  Speaker 1: So you just set it out in the lake, throw
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  Speaker 1: some rocks in there, some bricks in there, and then
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  Speaker 1: you could put all your bluegills in perching there right
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  Speaker 1: and wait till you had enough where it warranted cleaning them.
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  Speaker 1: So we just go down and catch a few and
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  Speaker 1: throw them in there, and then when you had this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing full, we'd go down and scale him and
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  Speaker 1: flam him. But there was this heron that lived on
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  Speaker 1: our lake, or spend a lot of time hunting our lake,
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  Speaker 1: and he would never get in his head that they
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  Speaker 1: were that they were captive, so he would land way
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  Speaker 1: the hell down the beach and stock this thing, like
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  Speaker 1: just painstakingly sneak up on this thing and then bam,
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  Speaker 1: grab a blue gill out of there. It never just
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  Speaker 1: got comfortable with the idea he was, I could do
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  Speaker 1: the Hunt's high fence right where they still go through
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  Speaker 1: all the like they get like their camo on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they you know, they go through all the rigmarole.
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  Speaker 1: But then he would just come up and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: never got into his head that he could just land
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  Speaker 1: there and started bluegills. Um, Parker, it's really I'm really
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  Speaker 1: glad here. Do you mind if you touch on a
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  Speaker 1: few things before we start talking to you, please? Okay? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: another point to raise. Be honest, you know how you
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  Speaker 1: think that you know how you think that it's stupid
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  Speaker 1: that I think that there is confusion around what constitutes
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  Speaker 1: a half her whole breast. Yeah, yeah, I think you're
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  Speaker 1: burning precious time. I'm worrying about that. Check this out.
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  Speaker 1: A guy rode in. He was at the grocery store
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  Speaker 1: this weekend and there was a woman fixing to buy
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  Speaker 1: chicken breast which were on sale, and she was having
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  Speaker 1: a disagreement with the meat purveyor about are you talking
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  Speaker 1: about the whole breast or half abreast? He says that
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  Speaker 1: at one point in time she even groped on her
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  Speaker 1: body what she thought amounted to a breast and in
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  Speaker 1: the end hold on. So she was right, and the
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  Speaker 1: butcher was saying, no, that's not a whole breast, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, well, what do you mean. I gather that
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  Speaker 1: she felt it meant that she should get too or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but that she registered confusion, point being this is not
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  Speaker 1: just the thing that comes down to turkey hunters. Parker.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. I know what you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about. What do you think about that? I think
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  Speaker 1: a whole breast is two halves. So if I say
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke up a turkey breast, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think I'm smoking? I think you're smoking. I think you're
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  Speaker 1: smoking a half. But I think it's slang. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's slang for if I said I'm I'm getting turkey breast,
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  Speaker 1: that means half. If you're smoking a turkey breast, that
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  Speaker 1: means whole. Man, I don't stay in half. But what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying is it slang. So but you're saying on
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  Speaker 1: a bird, if you were, like I shot him in
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  Speaker 1: the breast, you'd be talking about both. Correct. A guy
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  Speaker 1: rode in and said, this doesn't even need to be
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  Speaker 1: a problem if we would adopt um things from the
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  Speaker 1: poultry industry where they call them lobes. Mm hmm, because
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  Speaker 1: you don't talk about it. You talk about lobes, and
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  Speaker 1: an all confusion falls away. I don't know if that
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  Speaker 1: words that appetizing. Though smoking up the lobe, I would
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  Speaker 1: think it was like he was smoking a joint of
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  Speaker 1: some slang term for the type of jointing. Some guys says, ye,
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  Speaker 1: I'm smoking up a big old lobe this weekend. Really, uh,
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  Speaker 1: moving on, just cleaning up a couple of housekeeping issues here.
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  Speaker 1: We just did a podcast about all the nine million
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  Speaker 1: acres of landlocked land in the West, and the guy
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  Speaker 1: rode in. He says, I'm not like taking this as
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  Speaker 1: a slam on the East, because you weren't talking about
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  Speaker 1: the East. But he says he spent some time on
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  Speaker 1: on that he lives in North Carolina because he knows
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  Speaker 1: about a lot of landlocked land around his house in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, so he spent some time on X and
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  Speaker 1: within a twenty minute drive of his home in North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: there are eight hundred and forty seven acres of landlocked
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  Speaker 1: land around him. One chunk, he says, kind of because
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  Speaker 1: it's river accessible, but there's no boat launch anywhere. There's
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  Speaker 1: no public boat launch anywhere near there, so it would
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  Speaker 1: be hours on the water. Sounds I know. That sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a freaking honeyol Man. He doesn't give any details
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  Speaker 1: about where. It is a lot of national forests, but
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  Speaker 1: there's landlocked land within the national forest. So he said,
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  Speaker 1: this is a problem that plagues us as well out here.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe that they said that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be working on more states, that those thirteen western states
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  Speaker 1: is just where they decided to start. I think they
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  Speaker 1: should um another question. Podcast episode one thirty four, Steve
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  Speaker 1: mentioned their Bush pilot was dismayed at something they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring back to town, and I was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it later but never did. What the pilot
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  Speaker 1: was dismayed about is that we had a generator to
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  Speaker 1: charge camera batteries and it was insult The idea was
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  Speaker 1: insulting to him that you would move gas back to town.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of his career has been
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  Speaker 1: spent getting gas out to people in weird places who
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  Speaker 1: need gas, and he was insulted by the idea that
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  Speaker 1: one would bring a two gallon can of gas back
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  Speaker 1: to town, whereas he explained us, there are gas stations
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  Speaker 1: all over the place and wanted us to go find
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  Speaker 1: at least go find a quad runner and pour that
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  Speaker 1: gas into it. He also had the personality that like
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  Speaker 1: that's that was his stick was to be just dismayed
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  Speaker 1: at everything he was. Then the only thing that got
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  Speaker 1: got his feathers ruffled up. He we almost so we're
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  Speaker 1: packing out trash, and he gave us a hard time
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  Speaker 1: about that. Didn't like the trash. He especially didn't like
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  Speaker 1: that we had camera equipment. No one likes that. No
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  Speaker 1: one likes pelican cases. No person in aviation likes a
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  Speaker 1: pelican case. So upon seeing the pelican cases and asking
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  Speaker 1: what's in there and hearing that it was camera equipment
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  Speaker 1: except for our buddy John Varko, he didn't give a
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  Speaker 1: ship no but that that dude's cool. He's a pro
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  Speaker 1: this guy. Upon learning what was in our pelican case,
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  Speaker 1: it says, fun, uh, one last thing, this is something
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  Speaker 1: that's been brewing for a long time. I think people
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  Speaker 1: are gonna need to start paying a little bit at
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  Speaker 1: attention to it. There's two there's two last things. So
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  Speaker 1: this is one of them, and this is gonna have
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  Speaker 1: like this could have major ramifications. It's just something that
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  Speaker 1: people need to watch. It's gonna go to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: Lord knows you've been hearing a lot about the Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Court lately. Um meaning who's who is? I'm gonna perhaps
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  Speaker 1: be sitting on it in the near future. But this
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  Speaker 1: has something to do with this. M There's a thing
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna that's probably probably gonna be heard in the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court soon. They'll have a big major ramifications for
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  Speaker 1: big game. It's called the Herrara case. It's started in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen when a member of the Crow tribe
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  Speaker 1: in Montana was out hunt with two other tribal members
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  Speaker 1: and they went onto national forest land off of the
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  Speaker 1: Crow Reservation out of season with no licenses. They go
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  Speaker 1: into the Bighorn National Forest and Wyoming. So they pushed
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  Speaker 1: across the state line into Wyoming and they shoot four
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  Speaker 1: trophy sized bull elk no season, no licenses, Okay, a
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  Speaker 1: game warden. Uh, here's about this does an investigation and
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  Speaker 1: comes to issue citation to the tribal members. Two of
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  Speaker 1: the guys pled to their crime and presumably pay their
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  Speaker 1: fine or whatever happened to him, but one of them, Herrera,
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  Speaker 1: makes a claim that in eighteen sixty eight treaty between
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  Speaker 1: the United States and the Crow tribe allowed him to
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  Speaker 1: hunt unoccupied This is a quote from the treaty quote
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  Speaker 1: unoccupied lands of the United States without any sort of
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  Speaker 1: state or federal regulation. So he's convicted and his appeals
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  Speaker 1: with the Wyoming state court system is denied. But they
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  Speaker 1: keep pushing it and they and they pushed it up
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  Speaker 1: to have it heard by the Supreme Court. Because this
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  Speaker 1: is something that's been waiting to be finally settled for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Some people think it is settled. They
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  Speaker 1: think that Bureau of Land Management land national forest land
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  Speaker 1: is in fact not unclaimed, it's claimed or you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not unoccupied or it's not open and unclaimed, but
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  Speaker 1: it's occupied and claimed. And so if it's heard by
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, um, it might change our definition of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. And if Wyoming loses the case, so it's
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  Speaker 1: like rare of the Wyoming If Wyolming loses this case,
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  Speaker 1: Wyoming and ten other states, as well as the federal government,
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  Speaker 1: will lose the ability to enforce hunting and fishing laws
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  Speaker 1: on any tribal members pursuing wildlife off reservation. Because there
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  Speaker 1: are a handful of treaties that use similar language, you
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  Speaker 1: could theoretically, depending on how this goes, you could tribal
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  Speaker 1: members could theoretically hunt within the Yeloso National Park. So
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  Speaker 1: a lot of statement state game managers are watching this
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  Speaker 1: very carefully and trying to understand, like what the implications
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  Speaker 1: of this could be ridgical? Cool man, I did have
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  Speaker 1: a thought about breasts lobes. No, the tribal thing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a subject matter expert. It's more like a like
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  Speaker 1: a racism sort of issue because I remember in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: go On there was always like uh growing up the
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  Speaker 1: Um tribe and like manesty, I think it's the Ottawa,
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  Speaker 1: but they could fish salmon out of season. I remember
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  Speaker 1: like a bunch of dudes growing up that we fish,
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  Speaker 1: which were always like goddamn Indians can fish and blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah. I remember here next because because tribal members
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  Speaker 1: in the Sioux can snag ye and then it led
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  Speaker 1: to like they didn't just focus on that. They then
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  Speaker 1: like expanded and then just like became racist against Native Americans.
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  Speaker 1: So like I think I'm hearing that stuff. I'm always
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  Speaker 1: just like thinking about like where that'll go socially, where
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  Speaker 1: management ends and racism begins, because I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta you do have to think about the animals
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  Speaker 1: if that's the m the main issue. But then like
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  Speaker 1: you know, the random person who's like, oh God, damn
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  Speaker 1: India now gets to come in and shoot this ouk
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  Speaker 1: out of season or whatever it's like, then then it
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  Speaker 1: becomes less about like the issue and more about something
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  Speaker 1: that isn't really related but kind of related. I understand
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying. And even in um like I look
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  Speaker 1: at that. So I look at the Horrare case, and
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  Speaker 1: I damn sure know how I hope the if it
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  Speaker 1: gets hurt in the Supreme Court, I damn sure know
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  Speaker 1: what I hope the court says. But in the back
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  Speaker 1: of my head, I do wonder, m hmm, am I
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  Speaker 1: tipping that? Like, what are my motivations for tipping the
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  Speaker 1: way I'm tipping? Is it an us versus them? Yeah? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it strictly that I'm viewing is what would
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  Speaker 1: be the implications for wildlife management. I feel and everyone
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  Speaker 1: feels this way about themselves. I feel as though, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not tipping that way out of some latent bigotry.
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  Speaker 1: I feel as on tipping that way, but it's in
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  Speaker 1: the back of my head. That is that a thing
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  Speaker 1: that's going on in my head and us them? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think keeping that in check is important. And at
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  Speaker 1: least if you're thinking about it, then I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's an issue. If you're not thinking about it, then
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  Speaker 1: it's then you can get into the the weeds on it.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are, if you're conscious of like, oh
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  Speaker 1: is this in us them over wildlife? If you're already
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  Speaker 1: thinking that, I think you can have a I think
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  Speaker 1: you can make an objective decision. You know, what's your
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  Speaker 1: take on Annie? Nothing? While I'm with you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I really hope it's gonna you know, don't decide that
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  Speaker 1: it's it is occupied land and throw it out. What
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  Speaker 1: would be helped full for me too? And no one
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  Speaker 1: could answer this because we just don't know where things
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  Speaker 1: are going down the line. What would be help with
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  Speaker 1: me too is to understand the scale of exploitation that
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  Speaker 1: we would be talking about if we knew there was
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  Speaker 1: just like very minimal exploitation of the resource, I would
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  Speaker 1: feel differently. But you just don't know where things are
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  Speaker 1: going to go and now and then we make rulings
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  Speaker 1: and things. Um, we make rulings like look at the
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  Speaker 1: Wild Horse and Borough Protection Act, Right, we make a
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  Speaker 1: ruling and then wind up down the road being like
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, I had no idea that it would cause
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  Speaker 1: this level, like at the time, I couldn't foresee the
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  Speaker 1: level of trouble. We would be like the Pandora's box
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  Speaker 1: that would be opened. Well yeah, and that in this case,
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  Speaker 1: it could be one individual that you know, if they
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  Speaker 1: decided to exercise that right and uh, I think about
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  Speaker 1: if if you went away from Elkin went to big
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  Speaker 1: Horn sheet, You're going and take every possible you know,
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  Speaker 1: regular hunters opportunity in one unit with a with a
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  Speaker 1: couple of pulls the trigger. Yeah yeah, you could. Someone
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  Speaker 1: could do in a relocation of a handful of big
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  Speaker 1: horns and spend you know, a few hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: on it, and someone could decide well sweet, yeah, thanks thanks, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: No yeah, no oversight, no game regulation oversight here and
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  Speaker 1: that Yeah, it does sound like you need to adjust
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  Speaker 1: treaties from the eighteen hundreds now because the landscape was
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  Speaker 1: very different. You know. That's like one of Rogan's jokes,
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  Speaker 1: one of his his latest jokes would be like Thomas
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson coming back and being like, hold a minute, you
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  Speaker 1: guys haven't changed any part of this. You guys just
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  Speaker 1: left it like this. Uh, Where to begin? Where to begin?
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about that this morning. How to begin?
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  Speaker 1: What would we go complete? Linear? Linear? Or do we
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  Speaker 1: choose set the set, choose a species, set the stage. Nas,
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  Speaker 1: We're Missouri visiting our new friend Parker Hall, who's been
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  Speaker 1: on the show before, Yep, the podcast program, and we
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  Speaker 1: decided to come back to make a television program and
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  Speaker 1: to uh try to catch big giant catfish. Can I
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  Speaker 1: can sure? Speaking of program, sixteen brand new episodes are
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  Speaker 1: up on Netflix right now. Yeah, go watch them and
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  Speaker 1: tell your friends to watch him, and tell your family
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  Speaker 1: to watch him. My grandmother les her heart. When she
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  Speaker 1: was live, she liked watching meat. Either she's not really
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  Speaker 1: into watching hunting or hunting didn't let me tell hunting stories.
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  Speaker 1: So tell everybody to watch it. It's good ship. Go
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  Speaker 1: on now, um, yeah, so we're trying to catch our
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  Speaker 1: big catfish by a method called bank polling, and then
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  Speaker 1: uh go and shoot a few squirrels behind Parker's dog.
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  Speaker 1: Those are like main activities while we're here. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was just having a hard time decide any whether
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  Speaker 1: we I wanted to talk squirrels first or catfish first.
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  Speaker 1: Let's set the table like this. I got a good
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  Speaker 1: way to set the table, Parker. Explain why, Explain why
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  Speaker 1: it's good right now to go for flatheads and shitty
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  Speaker 1: right now to go for squirrels will in short order
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  Speaker 1: winners coming to Missouri. Al though it doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: it this week, chicks are out, chickers are ound ninety degrees.
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  Speaker 1: But this time of year, those flatheads I think really
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  Speaker 1: put on the feed sat getting ready for that slow
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  Speaker 1: time where they're inactive. They're laying on the bottom and
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  Speaker 1: they're just trying to wait for spring to get through
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  Speaker 1: get through winter. So they're really get active this time
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  Speaker 1: of year, and it's it makes for good fish and
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  Speaker 1: good bank polling. The reason it's bad for squirrel hunting
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  Speaker 1: with the dog, it's good squirrel hunting without a dog
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  Speaker 1: right now. But you think like good Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: the time. This is the mast is out. The squirrels
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  Speaker 1: are in the trees cutting nuts and and getting ready
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  Speaker 1: same thing, winners coming, you know, real active, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of white oak acre. And so this is the time
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  Speaker 1: you could slip around. And we talked about it before,
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  Speaker 1: you know, slipping through the trees and seeing them and
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  Speaker 1: listening hearing them, and you can kill them with the dog.
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  Speaker 1: It's bad for that same reason. With the dog. The
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  Speaker 1: squirrel has it come down out of the tree, get
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, mess around. The dog uses its nos
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  Speaker 1: chase to squirrel back up a tree. The squirrel then
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  Speaker 1: hides and you find it. Well. With leaves all over
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  Speaker 1: the canopy so dense and thick, it's almost impossible to
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  Speaker 1: find the squirrels almost um during the winter months January February,
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  Speaker 1: there's no leaves, the squirrels are much easier to find
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  Speaker 1: and much more um able to be harvested. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then it's bad for creeping through the woods. They can
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  Speaker 1: almost get real bad for creeping through the woods. Almost
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  Speaker 1: impossible because they're so paranoid. They're so paranoid because they're
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  Speaker 1: so exposed I think to avian predators. When there's no
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  Speaker 1: leaves that it is paranoid coming from a mile away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the forest floor this time of year, it's year old
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  Speaker 1: leaves that have been rained on and decayed, and just
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  Speaker 1: inherently it's quieter when this fall, when all the leaves
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  Speaker 1: come down their new brittle. Man, it's crunch, crunch, crunch.
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  Speaker 1: They can hear you see from a great distance. That's
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  Speaker 1: a good point, man. I mean I've known that but
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  Speaker 1: never thought about it. You're right right now. It's the
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  Speaker 1: quiet like this time before the leaves start to fall
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  Speaker 1: as the quietest the woods will get because the leaves
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  Speaker 1: are the most decayed, right, it makes for good slipping. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because that's a great point in the spring. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you would think that through the winter. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: remember how crunchy it was when we were down here
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  Speaker 1: in Missouri turkey hunting, very crunchy. It's really frustrating to
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  Speaker 1: hunt squirrels right as leaves come down, remember, like we're
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: hunting dougs places for squirrels. Just like dealing with the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: leaves down and new leaves on the ground. You had
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: just go out and sit, get into a likely spot
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: before dark and just sit and just lean against tree
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and wait for one to come into your zone. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: then when you blouch, it's like, you know, everybody knows.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Then it starts over. It's like really hard to have
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a great day. We used to hunt them around Christmas time,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and man, it was tough hunting. If you got a squirrel,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you've been doing good around that time of year, and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you've done it before. This time of year was particularly
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: when they're cutting hickories. You can shoot several out of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: one tree, shoot them with a twenty two or whatever,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and the others don't even hardly check up eating just
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: shoot another one. You know, sometimes you can kill three
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: or four out of one tree. Not like that in
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the winter. Um, what next? You honest? Have you thought
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: about how you want to dig in? Let's talk flatheads? Linear?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's how I vote. You're voting linear. Do you want
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to Can you introduce yourself? You've never been on the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: show before, Michael linnimouth camera man, first time on the show,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: first time filming the show, and you're taking a cameraman's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a show business sensibility to this discussion. You want linear? Okay?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That would mean that we start out with a really
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a bad but a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: disappointing squirrel hunt. Absolutely, and that's going to open up
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: one of the big questions I have is what the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: hell happened between that morning and last night? Is there
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like an explanation? Well, there's infinite explanations that you go
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: through in your head. I don't know one of them
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is correct. Weather changed. We'll get to that, but let's
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: start out with that day. So we're down in we're Donna, Missouri,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and we go to Mark Twain. You don't mind like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you're really because you're moving anyways. You're moving anyways. Mark
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Twain's Mark Twain National Forest. Now, anyone who's who had
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the pleasure the joy of reading, uh, Huckleberry Finn, Tom
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Sawyer Uh, and then all Mark Twain's beautifully written accounts
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: nonfiction accounts of working on the riverboats on the Missouri
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and Mississippi. UM know that Mark Twain should know the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Mark Twains from hand. Was born in Hannibal raising, Hannibal, Missouri.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Was a river man. His name was Samuel Clements. His
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: pen name was Mark Twain, and his pen name came
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: from when you're running riverboats on the river and the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: old days the river channel would just changed constantly. It
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: still does. It still shifts, but I mean it would
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: shift wildly. Like the river was nothing like it was today,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: because this is prior to when they channelized it and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Levi did and everything. Um, it would just move as
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a meandering channel, and it was running the river was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: very difficult and paddle wheel boats, Um, they'd run aground
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: all the time. And there'd be a guy whose job
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it was to stand up in front of the boat
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and he had a weighted line. He's got a rope
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: with markings that would not is tied in it and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a weight on it. And as you're going through a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: treacherous spot, he's up there hucking that way out ahead
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of the boat. The weight he hits the bottom and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he counts the marks on the wine to tell death.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, Yanni could check into this
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: forest just a fact check me. If I'm not mistaken.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: They nodded the rope at three ft increments. Safe passage
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: was six ft of water. And I believe that as
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he's up there yelling out the marks the river, the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: guy who's doing the depth soundings mark twain was two marks,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: which meant safe passage, and so drawing upon that, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: his drawing upon his heritage and time spent upon the river.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Samuel Clemens took the pen name Mark Wayne. So the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Mark Twain National Forest, uh became that? About that, Parker,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I thought it just occurred to me and maybe we'll
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: get to it later. Uh Pounder over there, similar to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the depth checking man, we'll definitely touch we'll definitely touch
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: on Ridge Pounders attempt at taking a depth sounding. There's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: not a case of like what happens on the river
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: stays and every sort of thing. Uh. So we go
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to Mark Twain National Forest and you because because you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: being a squirrel man and a river man, um and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you took your You grew up in Georgia and it
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: was real common to have kind of make a corraction.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, you're just just still know just a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: little bit. But it's not three ft, it's six for
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a fathom, and so actually safe passage is twelve. Well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: how the hell are you gonna get anywhere? Twelve ft
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: really must not have been John boats. It's a snow. No,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they're talking Steave s safe debt for the steamboat twelve
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: ft of water. Yep. So there's fathom soundings and The
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: second mark is Mark number two, Mark Twain sing about
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Mark Twain. Here it's just says half Twain, quarter Twain,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Mark Twain, no ship fathom soundings. I had no idea
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: those boats drew that much water. Huh No, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: do me another favorite man. I'm gonna keep talking to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Parker about being from Georgia and everybody has squirrel hounds
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. Pull up Mark like two or three of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Twain's doozyst quotes. Please you can do that. So there
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you are Georgia. Everybody's got a squirrel dog. I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: know that. I would go as far as to say everybody,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: but more common than other places. If you want to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: know how legitimate Parker Hall is as as a houndsman,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: he's the hunt Coons with a man named Festus. If
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that doesn't, if that doesn't established some legitimacy, that's like
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: out of a Jerry Clower story, Hunt Coons and a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: man named Festus. Yeah, I've never met a Festus. I've
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: never heard of a fist. Yeah an he wore and yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: also out of Jerry Clower as fastest war overalls with
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: no shirt beneath it. And you know what you said
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: another thing. Did you tell me that? Yeah, and another
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: thing you told me that it was funny because we're
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: about the same age. You're in your early forties. Um,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm approaching mid now forty four. But you
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: mentioned like when those maglights came out, they were like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: baseball bats, and people thought they were so we thought
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it was like, uh, like it was. It was like
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a revolutionized being out at night, right when those big
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you put those three or four big D cell batteries
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: into a magalit and you thought you were invincible. Man,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Now you can have a flashlight the size of your
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: index finger that throws a bigger beam than that. I remember,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like the one thing that everybody wanted. It was like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: for five years in a row, the only thing anyone
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: got for Christmas was a D cell mag late. They
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: just got longer and longer. Man. You did install the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: little holster in your car. Yep, I had that holster. Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you could screw into your dashboard truck a thing that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: held your light there. And they had that rubber ring
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you could put on your waist belt and they got
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: longer to the point they were like baseball bats, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: policemen carried them around. Maglite was tearing it up and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: then they got like something happened to him. I don't know, man,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: They weighed six pounds and yeah, load everything up and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you got the mag oh yeah, like running traps and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like everything. It was different when Maglay came on the scene. Yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: big and you get in your stocking like you get
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that light and you're stocking just be full of decl bad.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: That's like a whole era. Man. God, people got excited
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: about those, so um yeah, and tell the kind of dog.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: He got a little bit about the dogs lineage, not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that particular dogs linneys, but the breed you know, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what occur in a feist and all that is. So
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: there's two main I mean there's a lot of different
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: dogs that are tree squirrels. I mean I'm seeing black
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: labs tree squirrels, but reliably, no, not reliably. You know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: they're not bread to do that. But you get one
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: every once in a while that'll that'll tree a squirrel.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But mostly the tree dogs are the you know, a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: blue any of the in any of the coon hounds
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with tree squirrels and some guys so Walker, red Bone. Yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they're all tree squirrels. Why don't squirrel men use them
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: because they're a lot rangier and they want to run
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and trail on the ground and put something up a tree. Now,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of squirrel men do use um, some of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: those hounds, some of those bigger hounds. It just depends
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: on what. Um. When you say a ranger, you mean
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they're running out too far. Yeah, they want to run far.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You know. The squirrel dogs generally stay a little closer,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: check back in with you. You know, the curs and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the fists, I'll go out and run a little circle. Um.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: They use their eyes as well as their nose a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: little bit more than a hound will. A hound is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: just nose to the ground, kind of trail up a tree,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: bark tree. So there's these These dogs are um bread
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: for small game hunting and chase. And the one I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: have is is a cur called a tree and cur um.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And it's because of the size um this particular this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: particular dog. The fice dogs are a little bit smaller
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like um. You hear a lot of people like Jack
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Russell's treeing squirrels. I think people try those. That's that's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: kind of like a feist size. These curves can get
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: get pretty pretty big. You know him, And it's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's a measurement at the shoulder, measurement at the shoulder
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to distinguish a fight from a cur fights being the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: smallest in years is like one size up right right,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So mine would be a small curve. And when if
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: someone goes to get one of these, how do you
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: go about getting one? And how much does it cost
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to get one? The gentleman that I got my squirrel
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: dog from charges two hundred dollars, and he always has
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and I think he probably always will just because it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: squirrel man on her code. He's not in it to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: make money. He's in it to produce high quality squirrel
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: dogs and give them the squirrel hunters. And you know
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this his life's passion. That's what he does. And you
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: were you were actually mentioned to me that you heard
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of somebody selling the squirrel dog for like twenty grand
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: or something. I heard that a squirrel dog has fetched. Man,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I would like, but I think, but this is this
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is the competition squirrel dog. And I didn't verify this,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: but I heard it from from a very reliable source
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that there has been a case of a single squirrel
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: dog selling for that. But I think it's an anomaly, right,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it would have to be. It'd be like saying, hey,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: how much does a car cost? And then you talk
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: about how much a car costs, You're like, oh, you
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: can get you know, most sedans with this, and then
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: some guys like, oh, one time a car sold for it. Right, Yeah,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that isn't like, it's not really relevant. I kind of
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: want to meet the man who paid twenty dollars for
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a squirrel dog, because that must be a heck of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a good squirrel man. I got a feeling he's doing
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: something besides squirrel hunt. I think he came into some
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: came into some money somewhere along the way, so two
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: d bucks. And this dude doesn't want you're saying to that,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this guy, he won't like if you said, I just
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: like the looks of that dog. I just wanted for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a house dog. He's not interested. He's not really interested
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in that. He wants them in the hands of squirrel hunters. Absolutely,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: he produces high quality squirrel dogs. Not saying I have
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a great dog, but he he's had some good dogs
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: with great lineage, and he's known in that part of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the country for having really good squirrel dogs and his
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: breed comes out if you were saying, kind of comes
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: out of Alabama or his type of dog Alabama. Right,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that's where he is. And and you know, I don't
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to speak to the man's lineage of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: where he got all of his dogs, but I know
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: some of it's out of that, you know, East Tennessee,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Western North Carolina, Smokey Mountain area. Um. And he has
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: his own own line of squirrel dogs that he's worked
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: hard to develop. What uh growing up? How old when
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you got your first squirrel dog? Um? I was. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't too young. I was maybe in high school, ninth grade,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: ninth grade maybe grade maybe, And it was kind of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it was kind of a um. It was you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: we knew guys that that had squirrel dogs. We've been
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: hunting with them before. But we had a somebody gave
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: us a dog that was half cur half feist, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: we didn't do anything. We actually had him to as
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a hog dog. Right. It's kind of just a mixed up, old,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: nasty looking dog. And we'd take them hog hunting and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: turn them loosen here and off and tree squirrels and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: all the other dogs. He was like he wasn't interested
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in hogs. He wanted to and my brother and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: were like, hey, man, we're into something. Um. You know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we'd always squirrel hunted, you know, from the time we
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: were little bitty kids. We'd always squirrel hunted hard. But
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it was early season hickories and slipping around this time
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of year, you know. But we got into the squirrel
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: dog again. Man, we took off. We've had one ever since.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Did you have to train your dog or is it
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: like out of the box ready to go as somebody
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: else was asking this question. And you know, the different
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: dog breeds are kind of bread. They want to do
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: their thing. Like a retriever. If you get a tennis
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: ball in the yard and throw it and throw it
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and throw it, he wants to bring it back. Now,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the difference between a yard dog that will fetch a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: tennis ball and a good duck dog, you know, day
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and night. So you work with them a little bit,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but they, you know, the instinct to do that activity
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: is in them. When you when he's treated. When a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: squirrel dog goes out and trees a squirrel, you think
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that he normally needs the death squirrel has come down
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and hit the ground right unless he just catches a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: glimpse of it or hears it or whatever. But typically
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: he's knows of the ground and he finds where a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: squirrel is hit the ground. Is he like a rabbit
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: beagle where he can run that trail back and forth
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and tell which direction the squirrel went. Yes, And you
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: can see when the dogs working sometimes it'll go up
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a tree, look up it, maybe stay, maybe go off
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and check all the trees around, and then come back
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: in tree on that tree, um, and then identify that
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that that the squirrels in there. Now, we had several
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: run and you could tell um I was telling. You said,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the squirrels on the ground and the dog. You can
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: see that the high yipping people kind of like a beagle.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And then up the tree the squirrel goes. And then
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you hear that tree bark that repentitve and then you
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: know what's in the tree. And then there's a sound
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: he makes when you know that he's seen the squirrel. Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that's the Yeah, that's the squeal. You know, just that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I cannot contain myself noise, and it's different every time,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you know, And you said, and I can tell that
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the dog has seen the squirrel. It's it's the squeal bark.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't take it. Noise. Yeah, it's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: funny because all the noises he makes, you know, the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: noise that he makes for he doesn't know what's going on. Right,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's she Ruby? Man. Since Hunt with that Dog, I've
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: got that song stuck in my head, that old Kenny
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Rogers song, Don't Take your Love to Town, where it's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a guy that uh went off and got sent off
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the Vietnam and got paralyzed and came home and can't
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: satisfy all of his woman's needs. And he understands the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: wants and needs of a woman her age, but she
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: goes into town at night and he's imploring her to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: not take her love into town. I remember, and he says,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: if I could move, I'd get my gun and I'd
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: put her in the ground. Just a hurtful song. Man.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I had that song stuck in my head since Hunt
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: with that Dog, Ruby. Where was that going with that?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yeah, So you're out hunting the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: dogs making all these noises, and it makes some noises
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: where you just think that it's it's just it's just something.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: It senses, something's going on. There's something that goes on,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and you're listening, and I'm watching you listen, and you're
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: saying it's chasing one. There's sort of a noncommittal kind
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of hay, this might be the tree. There's a this
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is the tree, and then there's this is the tree.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but I have seen it in
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the tree. I have seen the squirrel hurry come now. Yeah,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And that's when you run through the woods. And then okay,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: this is the hard thing that you don't really know.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's in the dog's head. But how can it tell?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Like if you picture pictures, you're sitting in the woods
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: watching squirrels, and squirrel comes along, comes down a tree,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: spirals down a tree, hits the ground, runs fifty yards
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and spiles up another tree. It surprises me that the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: dog can tell that the scent on one end of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that is older than the scent on the other end
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: of it. But unless what help might help answer it
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: is what is the time stamp on a scent that
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: will interest that dog in the evening? Is it running
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a morning cent? No? So it's deal. It deals in fresh.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It deals in fresh, fresher than like a hound wood,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a hound some of those hounds can get take very
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: old tracks. The squirrel dogs work on fresher yea, yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: within you know, I think within minutes. I got you,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: because a lion hound he'll go out to work an
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: eight hour old track. But a lion hound can't tell
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you what way the line went, is dealing in just
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: faint residual order and can't make and can't say like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: relative to fifty yards over there, This scent is newer here,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and so when a lion hounds running a line, he
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: might be running the wrong direction. You gotta find a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: track to verify the line of travel. What it makes
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: sense because you know squirrel's home ranges. I don't know
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the actual answer to that, but I'm gonna guess. You know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: come a hundred very yards right, lions going you know,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: ten miles. So yeah, I bet you a day in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: day out activities, the squirrel uses an acre ground. What
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: would you think? Yeah, I think so that's fair. Probably
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: moves according to the sea like seasonal movements, of course,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of course, I always it's really interesting you mentioned that,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: because given the opportunity, I would want to be able
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to have the sense of smell that a dog has
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: just to see what that's like, Like, wow, a deer
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: ran through here and I know what that is, or
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a squirrel ran up this tree, or you know, the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: sensory overload must be amazing for a dog to be
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: able to pick that out. Yeah, you step into a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: dog's head running through the woods for a minute to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, so this is what it's experiencing. You
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: can't know because, like you know, we'll go out. You'll
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: go out and you'll get a whiff. You think, oh,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it's smell something rotten somewhere, or I smell elk, like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: elk had been here. But really you're just not you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: we got we got our eyes and we got our ears, right,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And then you think that that his nose is more
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: important to him than those two things. It's really hard
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to pictures seeing the world that way. Yeah it is.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And if you watch anybody's dog, if you watch your dog,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: it could be youth what you think asleep and watch
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: its nose work. I mean it's senses things with his nose.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I think that dog's nose, or maybe many animals, is
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: their number one sense. Ours would be our eyes. I
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's full factory for animals, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: your dog does use its ears because it knows the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: word squirrel, and you need to be careful to not
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: say squirrel around that dog or let it see a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: squirrel when driving down the road. Yeah, we're driving to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the hunt spot and a squirrel ran out on the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: road and you quickly reach back and blindfolded the dog
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: with your hand for fear that it would see that squirrel.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: What happens, don't you see? If you will look at
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the dashboard of my truck, you will see the claw
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: marks and the nose slobber on the windshield. From the inside,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and she barks loud. You know, you hear outside, but
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: inside the car it's a deafening sound and it's repetitive
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and fast, and yeah, I can't make her be quiet.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: It's something I think that even I've only been on
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: three or four dogs squirrel hunts. But like it takes
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: them getting used to, you know, you, Like I can
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: see my dad being annoyed me having to be like, look,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it's just like after a while, three or four days,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's just normal right at dogs is going there and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it's like a part of it. But at first it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a little jarring to be in the woods with something
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that loud, except at home when I'm at home and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: there's a yard squirrel and she goes to barking entree
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and at it. I know that's what she's wanted, what
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: she wants to do, and I have her, but it
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: annoys me to the ins degree. It really does. Like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: barking dogs be quiet. So when we struck out from
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the little parking area there on Mark Twain National Forest, Um,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: hold on, I got another question. So at home because
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going squirrel dog hound for our first family.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You lived two hours away from squirrel hunting, I know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: but just now because I was reading up about some
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: curR stuff and there's a bunch of different cur type
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: dogs and and there are a lot of them are
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: very versatile. You know. They can they can run cougar
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: tracks and squirrels. They can defend your family from uh
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: from what cougars bears? Um, dude, I don't you've been
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you've been to my house lately? You know a little
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: kids run around. Man, if they're a hundred yards away
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: from yeah, like notify you sure or yeah, give my
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: kids a chance to trick and not get eaten. Like
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it's it is a slight possibility in my house. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: called in the bull moose on Yanni's property. Yeah, I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: almost got your kids or your kids thought there. My
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: kid did not like that. Man. That bowl came in
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: hot and you've seen that. He'd seen video and you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: get charged by a moose and that's what was running
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: through his head. Yeah, he got nervous man. All right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So but so here's medal. Yeah, I'm two hours away
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: from good squirrel hunting, but I've got a pile of
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: pine squirrels right like thirty yards from my house. Have
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you ever tried that? Am I gonna be able to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: train my dog to say, don't worry about those squirrels.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: We want fox squirrels are gray squirrels. It's a delicate
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: balance when the dog first starts traying, you're gonna you're
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: gonna have to shoot those things down. You can't tell
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it not to do that, and you can eat them.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: They're not bad. Yeah, so you're gonna have They're not
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: great like a gray squirrel or fox squirl. You're saying
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: they're super small, it's just small. It's like there, you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: bigger than chipmunk, smaller. They sit right between a chipmunk
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and a gray squirrel and people say they taste like
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: up in tye or piney. It's just a squirrel meat.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: So it's I'm gonna put a couple into the crock pot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: In the next week or two, I'm gonna bring back some. Um.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I'll give you some notes down like what I've done
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: with those things that I just put them in a
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: crock pot, braised them down, Pick the meat, season the meat,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: put it on a taco, put it on a tortilla. Delicious.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It's just his meat, right, could be people, cat, could
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: be anything in there. When you do it like that,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it just tastes like meat. Yeah, it's just a taco.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: No one in the world would come over you serve
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: that too, and they're gonna be like pine squirrel, It
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: just isn't you know? You could just take up pine
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: squirrel hunting. Yeah, why not? That's you would be the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: first guy I think. But here's the thing though, here's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the problem with that is it's not that helpful and
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: pine where pine squirrels live in the kind of trees
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: they live in, noe, what tree he in is in
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: isn't very helpful unless the dog could pressure him into
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a tree that he didn't want to be in because
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: if he goes to his preferred tree, the density of
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: these trees, he goes up some big mature for or whatever.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: The density the home trees are so big and so
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: dense and they go so high. That's like it's not
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that helpful. Yeah, to know where he is up there,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you need minoculars. Yeah, you need a chainsaw, or like
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Jerry Clower wanted. Jerry Clower's stories, the guy that has
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the rack, the monkey that he hunts with, and he says,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: the monkey up in trees with a flashlight and the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: pistol if you had if you had a monkey like that,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you'd be in business. Um, well, you know, here's our
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: quick question. Long was on the subject because my kids
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: sorely want a dog, and I sorely don't want them
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to have a dog. But if I do get one
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: for him, I want to serve my purposes as well.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: What are the chances that you'd have an ace squirrel
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: slash cotton tail dog very high? The litter mate to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Ruby is a really good cotton tail and squirrel dog.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So much something's got to sacrifice though, right, There's like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: there's no way it's great at both? Or is this
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: dog great at both? The gentleman who has this dog
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: is a retired gentleman who hunts every day. And those dogs,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like your honest was saying, are really versatile. And any
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: dog you get him in the field day after day
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: after day and and they pick up what you're going after. Um,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's the you know it's a good
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: dog both. I take it either way. But you know
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: how a beagle runs a rabbit Like not that he
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: runs rabbit. It's like a rabbit runs a loop. Yea,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: when the rabbit spoon, he's gonna run a loop, go
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: out and he's gonna come back to his home, his
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: safe spot, his home spot. And that's you hunt with
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a beagle. Is the beagle starts to trail and you
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: just get two to the somewhere on the circumference of
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the loop and wait because he's just gonna do his
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: loop and come by. Now. Will will of squirrel dog
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: run that loop with him? Or does he just kind
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of function as a flushing dog. From what I've seen,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the squirrel dog's running around and when it jumps a rabbit,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it'll run it, and it runs it a lot faster
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: than a bagle wheel. And I think it's it may
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: be head up, just getting the getting the scent behind
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the red slow as dogs short legs didn't do anything quick. Yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: with with the with the curve feist dog, it's generally
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a pretty quick loop. Yeah. You know. We used to
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: have a lab that we wheel as our wall, her
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: foul duck dog, and it was very good. I mean
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it's something. This dog would pull ducks out of eighteen
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: inches of water all the time. Man pick up the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: scent on the surface and stick its head down there
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and find that thing. It bring you ducks to other
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: guys killed. You go on the swamp, you won't even
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: have fired the shot yet the dog be standing there
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: with a duck. So it was a great dog. But
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: we would take a cotton tail hunting and she would
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: just be a good flusher because she knew the story,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: she knew what was going on, and would go into
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: likely patches of cover that you didn't want to go into,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and she hunted close and would just kick up rabbits.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It would have never been a million years occurred to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that dog to chase. It just flushed. And one time,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: the one time I can think that it saw a
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: rabbit and chase it. My buddy shot the rabbit, and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: later in the day I was one of when my
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: dog was bleeding out of her nose, and I pinched
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: her nose and squirted the shotgun pellett out of her nose,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: but no one would fast up. So she was chasing
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the clothes enough at some point in time where she
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: caught stray pellet. You know. Yeah, but that's an interesting thing. Man.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: If I could get one, the guy you know that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: has the one that does both, what would he sell
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that dog for my hand? I don't know that he'd
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: sell it. How old is it? It's rubies literally three years?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And how many years can you get out of one?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: On the squirrel dogs, they can get old, um man.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: You can hunt them for twelve fourteen years, they start
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: slowing down. No any dog when he gets that age slowed,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: but it'll treat him. Yeah, so you could like your dogs.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Three and it's already a crack hound. It's coming along, dude,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the dog just coming along. When we're on the ones,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that dog spends more time barking up a tree than
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: it does anything else. It finds squirrel after squirrel after
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: squirrel after squirrel some days. So we we strike we
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: strike off, we strike off from the parking spot. My
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: first question to you was, so who is in charge? Right,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it's O the dog. We're somewhat in charge the dogs
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: hunting for us. We're not hunting free it, um, So
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we can direct it in a direction. But I generally
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: try to hunt into the wind because the dog naturally
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: wants to work into the wind. Um. So I kind
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of think about that, and you might even park your
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: truck accordingly, or I do, and just because she will
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: naturally drift that way. And so if you think about that,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it makes for a little easier hunt. Then you can
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: call it. And unlike a hound, those those smaller curves
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and fast, they'll they'll respond to you call them off,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like a big hound. Sometimes you put them
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: on a track and man, they're gone. The stopping point
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: is who knows where? And then you got like GPS
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: collars and they're in some other county and you're driving
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: around all night trying to find them. Right, so those
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: dogs will stay within earshot and and they're bread to
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: come check back in with you every once in a while. Yeah,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: your dog is very responsive to your whistle right where
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you can call it off a tree. Yeah. And and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's because is oftentimes when you stay with the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: dog enough and you whistle to it, it it knows you
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: want it and you're gonna put it on something to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: do something, you know what I mean, Like, Uh, well,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll get to it. But uh a squirrel
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to hit the ground and you go over there and
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it's not there. You need to call the dog over
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to trailer squirrel up to see where we went. And
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, once it figures that out, it'll come
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to you. So what was going on that first morning?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: We hunted? Because your dog must have treated a dozen times. Yeah,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: So part of it was the squirrel gods, and we
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: got one. It must have treated a dozen times or
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: more and we got one. Yeah, but a lot of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: some of that wash roll of the dice too, because
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: several of them were giving us a slip. We saw
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: some more we couldn't get shots at. I missed one, Yeah,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you missed one. And and so I don't know had
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: we killed what we saw? We'd had four or five
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and what end up with one of the first day,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: first of all, we got one, and then last night,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: we go out for a third of the time and
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: get nine right, do we have any getaway? Last night
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: after we watched him for tween this when the tree
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: right into a hole, and I told you, like when
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: they hit the ground running, they are going to a spot.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: They're not blindly running. That squirrel be line. He knows
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: his turf, right, he knows his turf. We had a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: bear bio just in one time who was talking about
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: doing some research. Was what state was he doing that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: black bear research? In North Carolina? And he finds that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: black bears Tennessee. That's right in this particular area where
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: he was doing his work. Black bears then twenty feet
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: up in trees, in hollow trees, which raises the question
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: how many trees have a black bear sized cavity twenty
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: ft up? Not many? And how they ever get to where? Right?
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: How they ever get to knowing those cavities. And I
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: think what he's saying that was typically in chestnuts. It
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was a masked I can't remember what I had to
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: go read this to it. It It was a mask They
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: typically denned in a mast producing tree. And the only
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: thing you can think is that they're going up there
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: they're climbing into these things to harvest mass crops, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: they're taking no, oh wow, there's a large cavity that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I will come back two months from now and utilizes
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: a denning site. Because how would you ever have that
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: level of spatial awareness. It's like they're not operating on
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: just like stupidly going through the woods climbing trees. Yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you're right. When a squirrel bee lines off on the ground,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: he's like, I know a place that I can fit into,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and this a going ass thing behind me. Cannot get
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: can't fit into it, right, And then he goes into
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: a into a hole with a two and a half
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: inch four inch diameter orifice. That's not a word you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: get to use very much in a way like in
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: this kind of conversation. Orifice. No, it's a nice word
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I haven't used in days. So he goes into the orifice. Um.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of the squirrels we lost on our first
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: day out would be the dogs treeing. Do you guys
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: use bathe or is that just something more for hounds?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: We use the word tree, and if it's up a tree,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: bade would indicate to me on the ground, Oh more
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: so than in a tree. So there he is treed,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and you go and right away you look in fifteen
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: feet up the tree whatever, they're just like a squirrel
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: nod hole. And then you know where that squirrel went.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: You say, they sometimes will pass the whole by. Sometimes
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: they will, and you will let's go. Oh no, there
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: he is fifteen ft above it in a crotch, trying
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to hide like he passed it up. He passed it up.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: But you know what I've seen in the past hunting deer.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I've seen a squirrel try to go in a hole
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and then another squirrel come out and kick his ass,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: not his hole. Yeah, And I've seen a mink fight
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a squirrel through the squirrels hole. Wow. Ye. The mink
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: was trying to go in the hole to raid the
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: young and the squirrel is at the entrance to the hole,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: fighting so voraciously that the mink is giving here a
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: mink screech. The mink is screeching, and they're dueling it
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: out at the hole. So it could be that he
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: goes in, gets his ass kicked and then has to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: shoot up and being a less than optimum position. Yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: the squirrels like no room at the end. Bro right,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's the offspring of the squirrel that's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in that hole. Oh, that squirrel knows that holes there,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: but he's not welcome, not welcome anymore. They'd be like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: like you see the your your kid's car coming down
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the driveway with cops behind him. He's locked it over.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So that happens, and then there's nothing that happens is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: you guys call it treat out. Jerry Clower calls it
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: tap in the tree. But it be that the squirrel
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: dog is on the ground and he's like a squirrel
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: cross through here. He's going this way to this way,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and he went up this tree. But the dog, unless
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: he saw it or heard it, he has no way
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: to know what the squirrel did after he went back
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: into his arboreal environment. Exactly. There in lies the problem.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: They're in lies a big problem because I noticed, you
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: know how Yani's really good at spot and squirrels. Well,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: let me tell you why. It's not that he's good
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: at it. It's not that he's good at it. Here's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: what I figured out. Here's what I figured out. In
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: his role as a producer. He know, he understands his
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: role as a producer, and he's there observing, and he's
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: got camera guys doing their job. A squirrel bayze up there,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: the tree, dog trees, squirrel dog trees, ridge pounders with
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: his camera with me. Michael's with his camera with you,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: not bleeding, not bleeding because he's not pushing through briars hard, Seth.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Have you said anything yet, Seth? You did say something
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: earlier about how I was too steep to get built out.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah. Your theory about how Idah holds
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: these hunts that that's fine man, that you can steer.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody want to Idaho, I don't care. So, uh, Seth's
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: got a camera. He's trying to look up in the
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: tree tops to find this world. I look at what
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you're doing, and I watch your line of approach, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do one a d off your line
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: of approach. So if you imagine there's the tree, and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: then you have a circle around the tree, you want
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: one guy in each side of the tree, because if
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you both stand on one side of the tree, the
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: squirrel is just gonna squirt around and paste his body
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: up against the other side of the tree and hide.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: And so you gotta get one guy in each side.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: To try to make it move, and then if he moves,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: everybody's got a chance to see him. So we're doing that,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and I move into shotgun range and I get on
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: my side and you're on your side, and we've got
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the camera guys, and Yanni can't crowd the action, right,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: he needs to stay clear of the action. So in
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: one and wonder how is he spotting so many damn
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: squirrels getting away? It's because he's getting back enough right
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: where he's not looking in the one tree that the
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: dog smelled the squirrel going to. He's looking in the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: three or four trees in the cluster girls actually in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: because the squirrel probably tapped the tree. So I later yesterday,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: after wondering like why he was so on fire and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: feeling and feeling inflamed with jealousy, thinking about maybe should
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: giving him a dick change in him right, just not
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: because I'm so annoyed, I'm like, you know what, I'm
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: gonna stand back like this too and taking the big
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: view because the dog knows the tree, but these trees,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the spacing on him isn't great. And I think a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: lot of times, yeah, he went up and very smoothly
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: just hid in the next tree, and so you can't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: just looking his tree. No, it's the grouping of trees,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the periphery. Yeah, and that's how you pick off squirrels.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Don't run into the crop, don't run into the stump
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: looking up, stand back and get the view right, because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: nothing that would happen is And you brought this up.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: The squrel eventually get overwhelmed with anxiety, have to move.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I can't take it in. It could be six seven
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: minutes into staring up there, like your stay up there
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: and you do not see the squirrel. He's gone and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: you're ready to wander off, and all of sudden, honest
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: hooting and hollering about there he goes, goes because of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the anxiety got to him and he panicked. Yeah, although
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I might be observing like more of the periphering, I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: might have less blinders on. No, no, no, I think
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that you know, we killed nine, And be careful not
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: to be fulled by coincidence, because remember, there's like more
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: than two sides to a tree. If you two are
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: covering two angles, I'm gonna go to the angle that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you guys can't see. And the coincidence was that all
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you know, he popped up on that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: side and you know I saw him. I don't know, man,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: your spot at they have squirrels. If we did, if
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: there was a hundred and I had pulled ninety of them,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: then I okay we had to, you know, say a shirt.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think it was a market difference.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: You see, spotted a lot of squirrels. That spotted something too,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and he spotted a lot of squirrels not in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: tree we're looking in right that. I learned a real
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: lesson there. Man. It's different this time of year because
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with the canopies so much. You know, you
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: can scan those that periphery of trees when there's no
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: canopy and the leaves are down pretty easy, you know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: and you you get to know where they are. And
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the difference is now there's just because there's leaves, they
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: go to the same spots. I noticed, like, what is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: it different? But no, they go to the same spots
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: in the tree, but you just can't pick them out. Well, no,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: because they use different trees different ways. A hickory. Seth
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: explained what the doing a hickory because we saw it
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: twice last night. We had to find him with binoculars.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: They were going all the way up to the top,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: tippy tippy tippy tops because the leaves are so thick
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: on a hickory. They'd climbed that hickory till they're on
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the final twig and lay up there in the thick,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: thick leaves And okay, it wouldn't work because you'd pick
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: them off that one that one tree we're about to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: give up on. Remember I said, I think he's in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that hickory, and then you pulled out your glass and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: found him in the top. Yeah, I'd like you to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: speak on that a little bit. Can you speak about
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: your transformation? And I always thought it was like a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Western big game hungry latest thing, like got my my
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: binknox on my special strap on my chest and I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: think in my mad like I'll never do that, man um.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: But honey, yesterday you said we're binoculars. I'm like you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: even I'll point you mocked me for having my Well
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you'll notice that the first day we went out SETH
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and I both we didn't bring him the first day, right,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you're the only one, see that rought him, and man like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's gonna be too may leads.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see it's gonna be up close.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: There's no reason for him and man, it wasn't two
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: squirrels into it. I was kicking myself like that was
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I was. I was kicking myself at the parking lot.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to wear him, but Parker, the way he
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: was talking, I was like, yeah. I was like, I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to disappoint playground bully. Yeah,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: like you get a new coat in the playground bully, Max,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: You're so bad you want leaving your locker and go
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: out cold and suffer on the play For me, this
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: is this is my favorite time to like still hunt
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: squirrels and you see him go up a tree and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: then you got your binoculars. The fun part for me
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: is finding them. I feel I really feel like you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: were kicking me when I'm down right now, I'm about
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to I'm about to admit I'm going to use but ooculars.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Do you own something? Can I send you something? Sure?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna get the strap? I was running and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know about the strap, the harness. Can you
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: got it? Like the front strap? Are you gonna keep
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: him your pocketing. I don't know, you're gonna have to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: give me like a lesson on what to do, but
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I will know. You know, we'd come up to a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: tree and I'm surrounding looking looking, oh say it, and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: there's an army of dudes with binoculars and somebody goes,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: got him. I'm going, what you've got him? Yeah? And
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: so I was thinking about it last night. We culled
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: nine last night, and I know, I think four of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: those we're found with binoculars. The tail like a scroll,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't realize he has a tail, right. They don't do
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a good job concealing. They don't do enough to hide
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: their tail or. It's just a hard thing to hide.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes I pick out the tail hairs with the light.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: That's the thing behind it. The light it's off. It's off. Yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: because he can pace his body against a thing, and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: like a gray squirrel, particularly on most tree bark, oh,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: hickory whatever thing, when he when he welds his body
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: to to that bark, it's a hard thing to see.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: But the flight will always filter through that tail in
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: a in a very distinguishable fashion. Evolution never cleared that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: up for the squirrel. I don't know what you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: they need it for balance. The tail is really important
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: for balance. I mean, think about how they just run
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: treat a treat, you know, a hundred feet up. I'd
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: like to talk to a physiologist about what all a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: squirrel gets out of the tail. And I imagine also
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: there's something going on with um signaling. Perhaps if you're
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: watching a squirrel pist in a tree. Yeah, they move
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: their tail a lot when they're barking at you, which
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: heavily hunted squirrels seem to not bark at you. You
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: go out like open day squirrels a bark at you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: in the woods. Later in the year, when all those
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: squirrels are gone, the ones that are alive don't bark.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: But when he's barking, he's doing that. He gets in
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: that position where he's like using his tail as like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: an alert thing, and I think he's clueing other squirrels in.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I heard a theory about like why does the white
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: tail dear flag? Why does he put his flag up
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: when he's running? And it will never know? This is
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the kind of question you like, you can't test the no,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: but but person that theory about it that when a
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: white tail runs away and he lists that big brush up.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: You follow it like it's almost like you got it,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: you know, And so he's like, why would he do that?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Because it's so easy to see where it's going. But
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: when he runs and stops and lays it down, the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: thing that you were paying attention to, like what you I,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: what you I adjusted to, all of a sudden vanishes
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: and the health the deer perhaps slip away helps the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: deer switch away, like you see that thing and then
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: that thing goes away and you're focused on that and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: not that. I think what you can wind up saying
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: about it isn't that that's why he does it. But
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that's definitely a thing that if you pay attention to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: it and watch it, that's a thing that happens that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: would be advantageous to the deer. But it could also
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: be that it's it's a display for other deer. Other
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: dear see that, and they know that there's trouble. There's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a there's an altruistic quality to it about that. So
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: what else happened between how we went out tree the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: same in number of squirrels, roughly the same number of squirrels,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: but got one versus nine? Do they do they Is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: it an evening morning thing. Well, um, I generally like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: to hunt him in the evening. Um, And I think
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it helps stand And I think that cooler air starts
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: coming down from the from the night. It helps with
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: the with scent a little bit better the morning. And
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: this is just all squirrel man theory. This doesn't I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: don't know if this is right or wrong. This is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: just what I've observed this time of year. They don't
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: come out of the trees. They don't really need to.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: They're up there and eating white oaks and whatever mass
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: they can, and so they if they do come down,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: it's for very short periods of time and then right
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: back up um in the evening they've had their feel.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Then they're going to bury in and getting ready for
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the for the winter time. And they're down on the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: ground getting to drink of water, you know, cash and nuts, digging,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: and I think they're on the forest floor a little bit,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in the afternoon. The morning hunts
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: always seem to be hinky, you know, it's like that's weird,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: or you've got a runner, or we're covering a great
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: distance and we're not putting many many squirrels up. It's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: over time. It's just a rather hunt the evening, no
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: matter the time of year, no matter the time of year, right,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: no matter the time of year. Now, the first day
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: we went squirrel hunting, it was ninety degrees um. The
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: dogs having a hard time. Um. Scent probably is not
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: as fresh as when we went yesterday, and it was damp.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: It rained the night before. There's a lot more humidity
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: in the air. Um. It was in the evening. I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: think the squirrel the squirrels were down and the dog
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: could smell them, probably a little bit better. I don't
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: know why they hailed or we found them. Maybe it's
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: because of the binocular. A lot of knockers, a lot
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: of knockers. And we did have a couple of multi
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: uh squirrel trees, which helps. Yeah, we shot three out
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: of one tree. Right, that helps. That adds that, That
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: adds numbers. It does help too that like Mike and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Chris are they're they're staring through their cameras, you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: really working. But Seth and I uh, definitely, I mean
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: we doubled up basically eyes you guys are you know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: each have an extra pair of eyes to find these squirrels.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: That helps a lot. Yeah, you were there in the morning.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just making a general general statement that. Okay,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: one last squirrel question for you. What are your favorite
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: ways to uh prepare the squirrels you get. You're saying
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: you eat about two hundred a year your family it's
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: about two hundred a year. Yeah. How do you guys
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: like to do them? And how did you like to
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: do them when you were a kid, and hasn't changed
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: over time. So when I was a kid, it was
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: squirrel and gravy over rice and squirreling gravy over mashed
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: potatoes or fried squirrel very little deviation. Um. When I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: was a kid, we we barbecued some on a grill
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. But can you take us
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: through a brief recipe of squirrel gravy how that's made?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: My mom made squirrel gravy. And I know this is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna uh just talk about something else. One time
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I remember going deer hunting, um, and my dad got me.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an old timer thing,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: but my dad would make me get up at like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: three or four in the morning, sit in the tree
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: for like an hour, before it got light, you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: like get in there before the deer. And I think
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: it was low deer numbers back then, and they were
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: just starting to come on, and those guys thought you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: had to be their way before light. And I remember
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: getting up at like three in the morning and my
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: dad made some week old warmed up some week old
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: squirrel and gravy and put it over grits, which was
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a Southern food. And remember I had a little hair
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: in it, and I just, I mean, I'll never forget that.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: My brother and I are like three thirty in the morning,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: week old squirrel, gravey and grits are like, oh man,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: what about a pop tart or something? But we ate that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Uh but no, it's just uh, it's just like any
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: other gravy you would would cook. You know how you
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: cook the squirrel before it gets into the gravy. So
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: you if you fried squirrel or you can crock pot
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: squirrel either way and just use the use a little
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: bit of grease drippings or whatever from that and make
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: your gravy and then you can put it back on
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: it oftentimes in the cast iron skillet and now go
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: in there, so you're picking the meat or not picking
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: the meat at this at this point in my squirrel
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: eating career as a kid, it was not picking the meat.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: It was quarters, you know, dipped out quarters on rice
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: with gravy and then up and then you picked it
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: up and shoot up the shot and the hair spit out, shot,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: bone and hair, all of it, and you pick it now.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I pick it now. I swear to myself, I will
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: not do this to my children. Not that I didn't
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: like it, but I still eat it, and I still
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it's a nice squirrel dish man like my mouth waters
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: for it. It's to me one of the best meats
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: in the woods. And so now I do a variety
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: of things. Um, I messed up the first time a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: a I was trying to press my wife. I killed
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: a squirrel and I gutted it and just had a
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: splayed out like like a squirrel would be on a spit. Yeah,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: like Don Argentina and a Montamon those Uh yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I did that, and I'm crucifixed amount of mine. Man.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I made that for my wife, and I presented her
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: in very professional fashion, in my opinion, as a squirrel man,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I splayed delectable squirrel. I picked a young one too.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't give her a great big old this when
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: you were when that was when I was Courtner. Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: it was a prize. She's not a squirrel man nahr
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: river man. Nah, She's none of the above. Uh So
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I present her with this squirrel and man that went
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: over like a turd and a punch bowl. It was good.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: And so it was just too much. It was too
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: much she I mean, just the look on her face
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: was It's that it went into my mind, I'm gonna
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: have to change this up a little bit. And for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: years she wouldn't need it, and just because of not
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: because the flavor of the squirrel or that it was
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: a squirrel, just the presentation went into her mind every
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: like you just served to me at a rat um.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: But now I changed it up and it's mostly picked
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: um and the way that I've been doing it lately,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: and I was telling you honest about it, the way
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so proud of as I've been crock
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: potting it with some spices, garlic, picking it um and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: rolling it up in a croissant with either cream cheese
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: or cheddar cheese or peppers, onions, jalapenos, which whatever little fixings.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I want to clarify too, though the crock pot. You're saying,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: like not completely covered in liquid in the crock pot.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I put no liquid in the squirrels. Um that I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: cooked so well. You can't put a squirrel in the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: crock pot turn to cry pilon, That's what I was saying.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: You can, Otherwise it's boiling it. I put a little bit.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I hit it with a little bit of um oil
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: in there, and there's there's enough moisture. Yeah, and it'll
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: so those I threw those nine squirrels in there, and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: there was two inches of moisture. And this morning and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I just pulled the bones right out. You got onions
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: in there, um, yeah, onions. Throwing onions in there and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Otherwise it's boiling it. You know,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: if you put liquid in there, that's a good point, man,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: But it's just you know, we would fry them. My
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: my mom would do um. She would brown oftentimes, this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: is one of the ways I like it the most.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And sometimes we put them in a deep friar. But
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: also my mom would brown them in oil, dust them
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: in a seasoned flour, brown them in oil, then put
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: him on a sheet pan and put them in the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: oven at three degrees and that makes like it's like
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: we would call it, and it's different because other people
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: use different things. We would call it chicken fried squirrel
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: even though like chicken fried steak, because that's how my
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: mom would. If my mom went out and bought chicken
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: chicken thighs, she would brown them in oil and finish
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: them in the oven. So she would just do squirrels
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the same way. Man. Sometimes it was just like perfect
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: on the bone, brown, real nice, and then baked that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: low heat to tenderize them a little bit. It was
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: pretty good. But when you say you roll it, I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: want to get back to this croissan thing. You roll it?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: What do you roll it? The croissant? And then baked
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the croissant right, just like your baking you by those
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: little triangle croissans, right exactly. But yeah, I spread the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: triangle and then I put all my fixing like a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: taco right, everything that I want. I've been putting some
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: time in there lately, like a sprig of time, which
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I really like. A roll that thing up, folded up
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: nice little a pouch of squirrel meats with everything else,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: bake it and then the croissant bakes into a itself
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: and all that, the little hot pot, it's like a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: thinking man's hot pocket and the and the and I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: knew I was onto this when my kids started fighting
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: each other over those things, the last one like, no,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: give it to me, and and my wife's eating them
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: and going, that's good, and old squirrel Man's going, oh,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm onto something here. Yeah. But it's hard to burn
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: through two squirrels shoving them inside croissants because you're just
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: not getting a lot of bulk in there, you know.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And we gumbo a too fe we fry them. You
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: make a t and gumbo, yeah, we and we we
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we make all that stuff, you know.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: And it's just the meat we use as opposed to chicken.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: For us, it's squirrel. And your wife likes to cook
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: with game, obviously she does. The one conversation I have
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: with your wife when I met her, she was going
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: home to make uh fish stew, coconut curry fish stew.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: And asked her what kind of fish, and she said catfish?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Was there any other kind? And she had asked her
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: if she was gonna put it in cooked or put
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: it in raw? She said, I put it in raw
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: and cook it in the soup broth. And she said
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: that you don't like it spicy. I love that that
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: she only keeps you around because you're cute. That's not true.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Do you have a name for this recipe yet? No,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I don't. I love to come up with him. Squirrels
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: squirrel sing, squirrel st squirrel, squirrel pocket. You haven't had
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: a good luck. How do you freeze your squirrels? I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: freeze them um with the old milk jug water and
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: then most importantly, after you cut the top off the milk,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: fill it up with water and freeze it. And being
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: scolded from a child by my dad, you have to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: then go back and make sure that there's none exposed
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: on the top of Man, that's stuff. Freezer burns bad, right,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: and so you have to hit it with another layer
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: of water. And so that's how I freeze them. But
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I think you ought to reconsider is
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: just for freezer management and capacity issues. Squirrels vacuum the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: vacuum bag beautifully with the bones. Yeah. Man, man, you're
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: busting me about having cheap bags. Maybe that's my thing.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I got sorry bags because I can't do it listen.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I used to not like back when everybody's running those
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: um right, when vacuum seelers came out and it was
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: like infomercial era and shipped for like Homeowner vacuum steelers.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: They came out with a lot of bad vacuum steelers
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: and bad bags. I'm sure there's a variety of good
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: ones out there. But I have one of these things.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's big, but it's like the it's like the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Western Pro Series. It's big. I mean you can put
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: a nerve football and back the air out of nerf
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: football with one of these things to make it look
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: like a flat pancake. But I have that. And I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: use their bags, which is like a like a heavier
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: gage bag, and you can put them in there, lay
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: them out in there, suck it out and ate just
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: it's like nothing bad happens to him, and squirrel freezer
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: burns bad like a squirrel in the ziplog bag is
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: a disaster done last long. It's a lot of surface area,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: like per It's a lot of surface area per volume.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: If you when you cut him, though, you know how
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I was getting on you about how I think you're
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: cuts too high when you cut his legs off. That's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: one thing that can puncture the bags if you have
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: jaggedy bones. But if you cut at the joint so
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: you have nice rounded bones, you can put a whole
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of quarters in there, or splay them out like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking about with your presented as with your wife.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: You can pack them in there. I've even packing them
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: in there where they're all spooning, like the squirrels are
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: spooned out, four or five wide whole and vacuum in there,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like a page in a book, like a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: nice flat package full of squirrels. And you could stack
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: a thousand of them in your freezer because I used
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: to do that jug of water thing, and man, you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: just wind up with a freezer full of jugs. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: when you're and can I finish selling you on this,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: you put that thing in cold water. You take the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: vac bag out of your freezer and poor a mixing
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: bowl of cold tap water and lay that vac bag
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: in there, and that ship is ready to eat in
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes, ready cook, ready to cook. Yeah, sorry,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: it's red. It's thought. You gotta get a blowtorch out
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: when you want to get him out of a milk
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: jug the day before or that morning the thall. But
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: or you burn through ga lins of water by setting
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: it under the thing and turning the water on to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: run over it. I'm telling you, man, it's like just
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: like you gotta get on with actors. And I'm not
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: coming at you like like you've got you're a better
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: outdoors than to me. No way. But you're wrong about knockers,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: and you're wrong about you've adjusted on, but you're wrong
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: about back bags. I really like the ideas flop for flatheads.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: For anything, you need to invest in a real vac
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: steeler and some good damn bags. And that's my problem.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I got the whatever when they first came out. But
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the joint
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: cut on the squirrel. Are you so you're taking the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: time when you have tin squirrels lined up on the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: back of a tailgate and you have your cutters out,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: you're taking them time to find that little joint with
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: your fingers and then game sharing and got it off.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Or you're skinning and then visibly cutting because you have
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: hit it. No, No, you don't know, you don't You
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: need to move your cut three six of an inch
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: towards the tone nails, and I'm gonna hit it every time.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: You're gonna hit it where you wind up with a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: nice rounded product. Picture that you went down and bought
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: a chicken drumstick with a jaggedy ass bone sticking out
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: the end of it. They they it's a nice joint,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: nice round joint. I get the idea. I just don't
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: know about speed. But you know your cuts are nice,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: but you got really nice cutters. That's important. I noticed
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that you don't use games shares because your cutters are
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: better than games shots. I do not use games shares.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I used tin snips. Yeah, that's the way to go.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Why do they even make games shoot? I don't know.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know own a pair your tin snips? Yeah,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: my games hears, it's like they kind of crap. You
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: gotta then get into a knife. Things are nice. That's
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: a hot tip. You wanna talk about hot tips? Tin snips?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Tin snips? You have some Irwin's? Is that where they were?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I got? I have several different ones. I go in
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: the home depot or Lows or the hardware store, hit
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: me with the tennis nips. That's what that's what you
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: want new stock. That's right. Okay, So you need some
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: vinyls in a backs either, I'm gonna I'm gonna work No,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on it for you. I'm gonna work
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: on it for you. Man, I'm gonna work up where
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: owe you one? So I'm gonna work on it. Everybody
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: cool on squirrels, Raidy, move on Rich. Yeah, unless we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: want to talk about the the byproducts that we're dealing
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: with from our squirrel I would like to speak on that. Uh,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: you're from the South, South, You're from Georgia. You keep
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: calling this the Midwest. We all feel like we're in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the South. If you get out of a boat and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: get scared by armadillo, you're in the South. They're relatively
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: new to this part of the country. That's Seth was saying.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Seth was saying, Armadillos are headed north and they're taking
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: the South with I feel like we're everything about it,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: including the I was saying I had three hundred chigger bites,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: but I kind of did like a little count. I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: have two hundred chigger bites around my waistline, in my groin,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: my groinal area. You had to do like a fisheries count.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Where you count like one sect and then multiply that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: out because you have so many. I count bait that way,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: and I count chigger bites that way, where I like,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: look at a sample size area right like you make
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: like a six packy thing with your adsmen, and count
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: how many lean over and clinch how many bites around
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: one one of the beer cans on a six pack
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: And then and then go like, okay, there's twelve there,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: and then start moving around your crotch and groin and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: scroll area and and add them all up. And I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: feel like I have two Hondo, he's probably got a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: good one fifty chiggers. So I don't think. I don't
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really I can speak on this, but I
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: don't really want to because listening to you guys talk
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: about this is just been a great experience for me,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: like just our bafflement. Yeah yeah, And on the Google
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: and researching and man, I've learned a lot about chiggers
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: that I didn't know, Like some of the wives tales
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: that I heard that aren't aren't true, and uh, you
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: guys are researching. God, what are these things all over me?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: It's been interesting. I mean, I don't know that I've
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: seen worst cases of chiggers. Well, I think we made
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: some real rookie mistakes, man like not. I was just
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: it was a hot day, so I had just the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: loose t shirt, no tuck in, no bug spray around
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: my middrift and wading around in that tall grass. Right. Yeah,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: it was like when I first moved to area, they
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: had a lot of deer ticks and a lot of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: lime disease. I didn't do any of the things that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: everybody that lives there is like they know what to do,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: talk your pants into your socks, use deep. I didn't
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: do any of that. Jump, I didn't do tick checks right,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: and I paid the price. So here it just happened
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: to be that my one. If I had gotten a
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: dozen bites, I'd be like, huh, you know, next time.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: But just to get so overwhelmed by them. That's been
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: in areas obviously have them before, but I've never, I've
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: really never experienced just a real hard hit from chiggers.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I'll fesce up, I'll fesce up to the listeners. I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't sleep and I couldn't concentrate, and I had to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: go down and I went down to a medstop and
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: got around the steroids. Is that bad? It's bad you
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: got you guys got it bad. And it's it's lucky
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: the draw too, because you just like walked through them. Man.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: But I did spray, and I remember offering you guys.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: But I went around and hit everybody's ankles. I just
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: put a little squirt in my ankles. And we were
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: thinking about seed takes. We weren't thinking chiggers. I use
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: it like breath freshener all over. So off does prevent
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Shakers said, so on the can oh, because well we're
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: like what we deal with a lot with in the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: northern in Northern States, and the summer is no SEMs, gnats,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: white sox for that stuff. I just carry a little
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: teeny bottle of a deep and you get like behind
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: your ears in a couple of places they'd like to hit.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: But it's not like like I was when I went
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: out last night. I had so much that junk. I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: mean my clothes were wet. Yeah, good, I hosed down.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: You didn't pick up anymore shakers, man, good on squirrels. Yeah,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: what's interesting is that Mike Seth park Well Parker sprayed
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: down properly. We didn't spray down the first morning. Yeah,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't around and hit your ankles. You didn't notice.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: But it might be that they don't. But you know
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: how like some people are more susceptible to mosquitoes and stuff.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: It might be that I'm just like, there's something about
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it because like I was, I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: was on like behind your honest the whole time I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: was wearing that pack with a hip belt. I had
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: my shirt tucked in, but I had that hip belt
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: tight around my waistline the whole time, which might have helped.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a micro not it's not microscopic, but
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna notice it readily. They're very very small,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: and it's a it's a large it's a larval stage
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: of some Iraqi and uh there they hang out in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: clusters and you pass through a cluster and get them
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: on there and they latch on, the latch on for
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: four hours. They have an enzyme. They secrete an enzyme
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: onto you which liquefies your skin cells. And they laugh
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that stuff up, and that the residue from that little
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: activity causes intent itching and inflammation. Sons of bitches, man,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: But you started itching the night of I was feeling
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: it when we were rigging flathead Tackle. I kept being
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: like looking lifting my shirt up and probably causing more
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: trouble for myself, lifting my shirt up, trying to be like,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: why do I feel like something's on me? At first,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: everyone thought it was poison ivy because we had hit
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: that that field just a sea of poison ivy, and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Mike threw his headphones down in it. And that's when
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: you told me, you walk by instad I would watch
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: your headphones or laying in poison ivy. So I'm waiting
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: for that. It'd be here by now. Yeah, I think so,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: it'd be here by now if we I think it's dying,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: it's dying down and it's not oily right now. But
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: it took two days for the chiggers for you, but
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: if you look online different people, it could take it
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: could be hours or a day or two days later
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: for the chigger bites to emerge. Poison ivy has a
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: really nasty he like it's that's what's so kind of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: that's just so kind of um nasty about poison ivy
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: is is that that delay where you like you just
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: have like this, don't know, you get hit by a
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: horse fly, fuck you know it. Poison ivy gets you. Man,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: it's like secrety. How long Like if you go walking
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: through poison ivy and it's on your boots and like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: the cuff your pants, how long is it? Like if
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: you're like untired boots that day and then the next
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: morning put your boots back on and tie, Like, should
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: you be washing your hands again the next day? Yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: that's that's when you get like, but there's different kinds
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: of poison ivy effect. Is when you get like you
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: get back from somewhere and all of a sudden you
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: get some poison ivy bubble stripes on your knuckles and stuff.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: I think you're dealing with that kind of junk, But
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think like the direct exposure of when you're
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: getting like plant to skin, plant to skin leaves these
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: marks where you can just almost see the the impact
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: of it. But I do think that you do get
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: it on your boots then later and if you get
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: into it real bad and you're real set, are you're
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: supposed to take rubbing alcohol and wipe down your wipe
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: down your stuff, wash your clothes and hot water. But
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of that where you like, you
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: get it around your knuckles and inside your arm. Then
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: like a week later you get a couple more spots,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: and I think that you're getting some residual oil transfer.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: But it's nothing like like Senior Skip Day when I
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: was in high school. It's a tradition of my high
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: school to everyone's skip school on Senior Skip Day and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: you go canoe the White River. Um. I was telling
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: this story the other day. Uh, Senior Skip Day. I
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: shimmied up a tree because you climb trees and also
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: jump into the river. I shimmied up a tree. The
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: head poison ivy vines on it, and I wound up
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: going to Uh. I went up having to go to
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: the doctor about that. That was bad. That and burning it.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Burning in a brush pile can make you really sick
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: because you're inhaling it. Oh that hurts. We're going on, squirrels,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: We're good, m flatheads. Uh. Explain poke polling what you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: call bank polling? Oh m hmm. It's just like limb lining.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: If you know what limb lining is, were you, Well,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you find a limb overhanging a likely place where a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: catfish would be. That's somewhat limber enough to hang a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: line off of, and that hangs in the water with
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: a bait on it, the catfish grabs it, and then
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: that liam acts like a fishing rod with some um,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you know, some resistance when it pulls down, it pulls
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: back against the fish and holds it on on the hook.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Um bank polling. It's similar to that. And as much
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: as you use a tin or twelve ft fiberglass rod
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: poked or stuck into the bank on the side of
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: the river with your line and then on it, and
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: that big fiberglass rod acts like a fishing rod or
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: gives that resistance. The difference between the two is the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: fiberglass rods you can put where you want to where
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: a likely place a fish would be, unlike limb line
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: and you're just you're kind of the mercy of where
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: a limb would be. UM. And so these we try
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: to pick the best likely spots, stick them in with
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: a bait um a live bait when you're targeting flatheads,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: and man go from there. Talk about the bait a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: little bit first, the bits of the issue. The baits
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: always the issue. So we ran oh eighty or so
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: hooks and to go for a flathead catfish like we
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: were going. Big baits are better, um, and so you
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: need eighty big baits and a big bait. A big
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: nice bait would be like a hand size blue gill
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: or a carp minnow or something you know, four to
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: six to eight or ten even twelve inches long. You
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: need eighty of those to be successful. To be successful,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and you're you're allowed to run thirty three hooks per
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: per per person, thirty three hooks, so we were running
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: a three of us were running eighty or so. We
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: weren't quite there, but you know, you get bait, and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: after you have a hundred and fifty baits, you think, man,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: you have bait for days, but you don't, and you
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: gotta come back and go for bait. And I'm indiscriminate
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: bait collector, and we'll collectibate in any way, shape or
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: form that I can. And we ran into that problem.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: We're in out of bait, and you casting net for bait,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: casting net for bait, and the uh, you can, man,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: you can get it anyway you can. You could sin it,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you can catch it on a hook and bober. However
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: you can get it. And you guys used like hoop
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: traps for bait too, writ hoop nets No, yeah, a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: little little ones in the creek or something like that,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, going for carp shad have We haven't had
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: any luck with the little hoops though. Actually would you
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: set them in the in the current channels and they
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: don't keep swam up in there? But you try it
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that way you had a little fish traps. So we've
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: just had very little luck. Now suppost diameter on your
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: hoop traps. The one we don't have one that we
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: try it and it's a I bet it's a eighteen
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: inch er. My brother has hoop traps. He does an
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: area we allowed to hoop net yea for rough fish,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: and they used to bait their hoop nets. But then
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: he thinks that the bait doesn't matter. He just puts
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: them in lines of travel. Like if you got like
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: a let's see you got like a little gravel Let's
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: say you got a stream it's got the shallow in
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: and you got like a little gravel trough up against
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the up with a deep cut bank and a little
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: gravel off down in there. He'll lay that hoop trap,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: obviously opening up towards the down stream side and he
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: pulls up some halls of suckers net thing. Yeah, I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: don't have a figure, just catching them on their path,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: but he's got But these are huge, right, No, they're
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: the one I have a little bit. He's like thirty hoops.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, it's mostly cast netting. Yeah, so you're
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: going to cast that a bunch of but you can't
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: use a large mouth as bait. Cannot use game fishes bait. No,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: but you like shad carp. I like shad, but they're
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: tough to keep alive. Um, if we can keep them
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: are aiding. I like those, They're they're a good size,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: a big shad, hand size shad um carp which are
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: super tough blue gill which I think personally everything in
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: the river likes a blue gill. I think it's like
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: flathead candy. But they're not as tough as the's like
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: a carpet. Uh, and now explain a likely place for flatheads.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: This is you know, this is a great debate, but UH,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: generally behind um a blow down or some sort of
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: cover in the river. You know, UM, a blowdown, a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: wing wall or dike rocks, those places where fast water
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: goes to slow water. Like, yeah, big an ambush um spot.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it would be like in any other stream
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: or creek where the fish would be. You would think
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: of those eddies and pools, um, the flatheads would frequent
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: frequent those areas. That's what that's what's good about the
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: bank poll because there's not a whole lot of limbs
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: that hangover like the Missouri River where we were. I
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: mean it's like trees falling down. There's no big limbs
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: that hang over those places that would be I mean
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: a few, but not enough to be able to do
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: what you want to do, particularly when we're going for
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: We would like to catch big flatheads, and that's kind
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: of our kind of a little thing, you know, catching giants. Yeah,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: big ones. At what point in your mind is a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: flat big thirty pounds or abuff? That's a nice flathead
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: thirty plus pounds. Now, I like all of them. I mean,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: I think the best eating fish in the in the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: rivers probably three pounds flathead. But I just like those
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: big ones. Man, Oh, it's impressive they are. I mean
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: we caught some doozies. Yeah, we call some nice ones.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: So you go up down the river and you got
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: all your imagine the old days, like when I was
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: introduced to bank polling and it was described to me
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: as poke polling on the Ohio River. These guys were
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: using hand cut limbs, basically go out like with a
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: machete and cut like what I would think of as
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: muskrat trap and steaks like big long steaks, and run
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: those into the bank. And I'm sure that that's probably
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: what people used to use. I'm sure. But the fiberglass
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: rides is pretty damn nice because you could fit just
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: like laid up along the gunnal in the boat. You know,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: you got thirty forty of them in a very nice
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: little package. What's the diameter on that? We have five
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: eighths and to now we do have um half inch poles,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: but we've discarded the half inch poles. And the reason
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: we have is we never called anything over like twenty
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: five pounds on a half inch pole. And I don't
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: know the reason other than we think that the fish
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: can't hook itself, or I don't not rigid enough. It's
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: just not rigid enough. It's it's like the twenty five
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: pound cut off and then ridge pounders throw your last
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: half inch or into the river. That's the benefit of
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: cutting your poles. Those will float. Yeah, five classes, that's
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: a good point. And a ridge pounded even even yell
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Twain or anything. I don't know what happened, man,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Let's just get to it. We were making a set.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: We were making a set, and I just asked Ridge.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I kindly asked Ridge, Hey, can you take that poll
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: and see how deep it is here? Easy task. I
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: think he just just kind of lowered the pole into
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: the water and then just let it drop. Dude. It
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: just literally came out of my hand. I was like, oh,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I got this, and then it just this. I just
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: watched it like disappear. It was the weirdest. It was
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: one of the stranger things I've seen. Neither of them
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: said anything either, They just just he just sort of
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: like releasing it. That just happened. Ten ft fiberglass pole.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: That wasn't a good morning for me either, because then
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I threw a bait overboard. That was right before. It's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: right after he discarded a bait. Yeah. Um, so you
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: have it rigged where it's a ten foot pole and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: you run ten ft of of twine. Not twine, it's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: not cotton, nylon braided nylon. And then in the in
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest they call it gannyon, damnyon li gannon.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Have to remember that it's gannyon like you're that material
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: used in that for that peris would be ginny. So
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: you have roughly it's ten foot poll and you have
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: ten ft of eight ft of leader right or not leader,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: eight feet of mainline mainline, and then you put a
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: plumb syncer on. It was like a one ounce plumb
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: one ounce lead right or whatever else we can find
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: on the riverbank h one ounce lead. Then you put
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: then you tie to a barrel swivel, big barrel swivel.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Then off that barrel swivel you got another two ft
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: a leader. And then you use a big gass halbet hook,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: big circle hooig circle hook. And on that circle hook
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: you like to tail hook or lip hook, depending on
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: the velocity of current. Correct speak to that there are
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: tailmen and there are head men. I'm a headman as
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: a general rule, and because this is the reason when
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: you're fishing current it's coming down, I like to hook
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: them in the nose or in where in the in
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: the lips. So the current is the fishes oriented facing
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: the current, and it's like it would be a natural
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: swimming type of motion for them if you hook them
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: in the tail, they're facing backwards in that swift current,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: and I mean in actuality, they drown um that the
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: water is going backwards over their gills and they don't
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: stay alive and they die in a very unnatural shape
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: at a ninety, like they're all out a ninety. You're right, Yeah,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: they look like ship look terrible and their scales are
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: all fluffed out. You know. But if in a the
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: argument for tails has got to be the longevity in
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: no current, that he's gonna have more action and then
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: have action for longer. I think they stay on the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: hook better the tailhook. With the tailhook because you're deep
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: in the meat and it stays on. So in a
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: in a an eddy or slow water, I like to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: hook him in the tail if if there's no current,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: because the smaller fish can't pick pick it off for
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: you know those sorts of things, they do stay on
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: the hook better. Yeah, I'll point out that um bait
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: loss is a big problem giant. So I want to
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: walk through couple of points. I explained the rig. You
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: get a whole boat load of these rigs. You go down,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: launch your boat and you just start punching in poles
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: all over and you're not and you're that easy just
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: to punch in a bunch of poles. No, it's hard
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: to punch in poles. And they make a little thing
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: where you were a rubber palmed a tight fitting rubber
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: palm gloves and get a good grip on the fiberglass
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: steak and you guys make a little which which I
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: don't know why he didn't turn me onto these or
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: let me know about these. I had like kind of
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: discovered on my own after a lot of poles. Keith
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: runs those that they have a little block of wood.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: Parker's body has a little block of wood that he
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: took a half or five eights drill bit like a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: five eights auger bit drill and made a little circular
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: cut board, a little circle into the block of wood
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: that fits the end of the fiberglass pole. You stick
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: this block of wood under your type fitting rubber palmed
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: glove so that it's like well that joke, you know,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: those old things use those buzzers you put in your
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: hand to shock people when you shake your hand. It's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: fits in your hand like that you Because what I
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: was doing to sink the poles prior to my discovery
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: of the wood block was I would get it started
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: and then put the end of the pole right up
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: against my heart because I had a p f D on,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: a personal flotation device on with good padding, and I
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: would put it against the padding of my life jacket
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: and use the force of my body to drive it in.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: And this is all about the boats swirling around the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: current and the motors running. It's tricky and you need
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: to drive it in enough to hold a sixty pound flathead,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: which is shocking that it works. It is shocking. But
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: then I discovered that block of wood, and you put
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: that block would fit the hole over the end of
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: the thing, and then you can just drive that sum
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: a bit and then it's so satisfying. Man. You're just like, yeah,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: and got him forty five degree angle and you're not
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: driving it into the dry banks so much. Oftentimes you're
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: driving it into two three ft of water where it's
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: hanging out at a forty five degree angle over deeper water, right,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: And you'd like to put all your poles in because
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on bait loss. You don't like to
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: bait until dusk. So you go through and make all
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: your sets, get all your poles in ready to go,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: then hang out factory and how much time it's gonna
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: take to where you're getting done. Just at the moment
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: you need to start using your head lamp and then
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: go back through and bait all your hooks because big
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Mambo John Bow flatheads come out at dusk or at night,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: and you don't want all the turtles and gar destroying
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: all your bait, right. You want to have the bait
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: hit the water at the magic moment. Right, but still
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: you come back in the morning nine easily of that
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: bait's gone in the morning easily. Yeah, that's a fair assessment.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: I'd like to know what gets the largest percentage of
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you're missing fish,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's turtles, guards, combination of everything,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel as though you have to
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: lose a lot of turtles and you have to lose
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: a lot to cars. The reason I say the garden things,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: I've seen it happen limb lining where with the bright sun,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: this is baiting. In the bright sun, we can see
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the water. Hang that bait down,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there's three or four guards
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: nosed up against it that fast. They just know they're
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: down there anyway, That's why we don't do it a
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: whole lot in the middle of the summer with the
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: guards when these were shorten those guards but just like
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: pecking at it, you know. So that's an issue. But
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how many baits, especially those cart
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: minnows and then the bluegills, that would survive the whole night.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: We'd be there at nine or ten o'clock in the
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: morning and you can finish that bait another day, just
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: fresh and and then I'm it's the big debate, does
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: does this spot suck? You know? You know it's like, well,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: it's a great, big, good bait and it hasn't been
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: touched in twenty four hours. Should I move it or
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: just let him run? You know, Parker saying he likes
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: to let those baits go and reward those baits I
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: do just like a hard working bait. Like man, you
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: got caught, you were put in the bait bucket. We
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: drove a big hook through your mouth. You're on there
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: for two days, we're pulling our poles. I take that
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: hook out as gingerly as I can, and it's like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: a brook trout fisherman. I let him just slide into
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: the water and go free. Takes a little picture of it.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Keep thank you, sir. You did a great job. You
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: did not get eaten by flathead when you go out
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: and check them. You'd like to start checking ready daybreak? Yeah,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: what what's the thinking on that? The thinking on that
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: is it's very visible to see, you know, those big
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: poles bouncing, guys running the room. It's titilating the passers by.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: It is people running. Yeah, be a big pole bouncing
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: looking around, going hey, uh, there's a big old flathead
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: over there that I could get. So you kind of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: want to get out before all the people start running
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: the river. And also, you know, the longer anything's on
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: a set line like that, the more chance it has
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: to escape. We could offer work a big hole, So
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: try to get there early as we can. And you
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: go down the river and you can tell, you know,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: a big flathead the way he works a pole, you
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: can tell it's as exciting as it's as exciting as
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: like I like in my mind I keep going to
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: muskrat trapping on the whole thing. It's just exciting to
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: go out and check it is. It's like Christmas, go
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: out and check the line and talk about the way
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: a big flathead is on that pole. So if you
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: visualize the pole sticking out of forty five degree angle
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: and a fish on the line of it, a smaller fish,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: it will be more of a bouncing, bobbing type of action.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: You know there's a fish on it, but you don't
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: really know how big it is. But a big flathead,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: just with the weight that pole just goes down slow
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: or it will be bent or stay you know, kind
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: of at a twenty degree angle, or and slowly go
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: under the water and disappear um and then ease back up.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just sheer poundage that's doing that. That
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: fifty pounder suck that pole slowly, sucked that pull under
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: water and held it underwater long enough that we thought
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: he pulled the pole. We thought it was gone. I
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: was worried that it pulled the pole. I was too,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: I was thinking he pulled it. We spooked him and
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: he pulled it, but at eased back up. Dude, It's
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: so fun man um and sometimes they're on there and
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: they don't buck, And you kept saying that I didn't
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: believe it. We eventually saw it. Yeah, as you can't
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: approach every pole if it's not moving. Take a little
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: bigger fish, they'll just lay on the bottom. And what
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: what you don't want to do is have the pole
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: come up to the pole and a fish take off
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: and that pole go down and hit the gunnale or
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: side of the boat because on those large fish they
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: snap that stop or break or the ring off. You
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: got to let him have that action, so the same
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: way you wouldn't grab the tip of someone's ride when
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: he's fighting to fit exactly exactly the same premise. So
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: you come up and with a pole, particularly one that
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: ridge pounder through in the bottom of the drink, you
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: use that to feel the line before you get there,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: and if there's resistance to it, you know there's a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: fish on it, even if the poll is not moving.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: And I was telling you that you you kind of
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: get lack a daisical because you're running poles nothing, nothing, nothing,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: and then you pull up to one that's not moving. Bam,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: you know you got a thirty five pound blue cat
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: on the end of it. Yeah, that's a good transition.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: There's the trifectors, the catfish trifecta, which we pulled every day. Yep.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: We checked for two days and pulled trifectors on two days.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: So I lost one. Oh yeah, I think it was
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: an incomplete tri factor the first day because I tried
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: to horse him up into the boat and didn't use
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: the landing that and he came unbuttoned. And I was
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: actually glad that that one got away because I was
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: our first pole, and that's the ominous sign. Although we
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: didn't do well. If you catch one on your first pole, man,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: because it's like that's bad juju. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: you go, we're gonna we're gonna cross unless unless if
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: it was a fifty pound on your first pole, yeah,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: then you're good. But to catch a little channel on
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: your first pole is not good luck. No. The thing
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: about catching a fifty pound flathead is like the trips made.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Even if it's on your first pole, there's no way
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: you things can go bad because you're just you're peacocking
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: around like just your fan is fully exposed up and
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: down the river. Yeah, you're hoping to run into some
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: passers by. That's right, see what I got. Yeah, you
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: were saying, this is one of the internet more interesting
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: things you told me about. This is that you go
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: through like your family eats five year in a year, right,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: and you're saying, uh that you don't even really care
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: for deer hunt. And if someone came and just dropped
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: off five got it out deer in your driveway, you'd
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: be just as fine with that, hand would I? I would.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: And when you moved up here, the flathead fishing was
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: so good that you dropped down to three deer year
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: and are eating too deer worth the flatheads? Too deer
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: worth flatheads. It's a good trade. It's a good trade.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: So that's probably roughly a hundred pounds flathead probably two
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: deer process me right, hundred pounds of flathead felets. How
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: many times a year do you need to go up
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: and do how many times a year do you go
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: a limb line or bank poll? I do it too,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: like you do two sessions sessions a year. And it
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: depends on the amounts of biomass that I accumulate. Look
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: at my freezer and I go, I have enough, or
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: and it's good that it's two times a year because
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: it's spring. And then if you look in the fall
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: and you open and you go, man, I'm low on flathead,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: and then you hit it hard in the fall or
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: I still have something from the spring, so I don't
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: need to hit it too hard. Yeah, And you when
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: you get all set up, it's a lot of work
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: to get set up to usually do two or three
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: checks or one. Yeah. I generally run them two or
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: three nights for sure. And and uh, we watched the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: river levels and generally you get them better on a
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: rise of the river. So we watched the river. Lif
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: there's on a steep drop, we won't go. And when
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: the conditions are right and we feel like we're gonna
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: have good good luck, then we'll go. Um back to
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: the catfish trifecta, channels, blues and flats. Can you speak
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: to the the edibility and mystique and rank them out
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: in a hierarchy. I can give my opinion that because
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: this will be met with resistance. I know among each
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: every catfish man man has different thoughts. So for me,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: I like flatheads, but that's that's universal though. I feel
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: like people that have access to flatheads like flat heeads. Yeah,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: they're not. They do scavenge, but not as as much
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: as the other two species. They prefer live their predators, predators,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: not scavengers. Hence the giant mouth you know. So, Um,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: they don't have as much fat on them. The meat
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: to me is better tasting. It's it's a little firmer.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: It's not a real flaky meat. Um. Yeah, catfish fat,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: we should point out, taste like ship. Yes it does.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: And it's not so much when you when you go
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: to cleaning a catfish. It's not so much the red
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: meat that you're seeing now. I trimmed that, But it's
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: the it's the light colored fat. It's like a gelatinous
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: like you skin. If you take when you were skinning
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: those blue cats with a pair of skinning players, and
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: you pull the hide on a blue cat, a big one,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: underneath it is just a full on gelatinous fat that
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: when you touch, your hands are too greasy to hold
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: your knife. That stuff tastes like hell. It's bad. So
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: And now, don't get me wrong, blue cats are really
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: good to eat, but you have to trim that off.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: If you leave it on, it's it can be. That's
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: why I think a lot of people don't trim that
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: and they eat it and go, God, this is horrible, muddy,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: this is muddy. This tastes bad. It's just it's not
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: the it's not the meat, it's the fat. Oh. And
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day, and I mean
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: we've mentioned on the podcast before, but we bought that
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: catfish for the shoot for the film for yeah, a
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: little film shoot we had going on to do a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: recipe with catfish, and we just assumed that it's in
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: the store, it's gonna be trimmed out properly. And it
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: was disgusting. It was farm raised catfish. They hadn't deep fat,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: and I just assumed they did. And we just caught
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: it up through it in the friar to take a
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: picture of a cat fried catfish play. But we eat
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, you know, like, oh yeah, but it
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: tastes like dogshit though. It was bad. So you can
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: see how the world over, you know, at least in
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: the first world country where they're buying meat in a store,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: you get turned off on catfish if that's what they're
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: selling in the Midwest. I know, you think that we're
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: in it now, but the real let's say, the in
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: the upper in the upper Great Lakes, um, because they
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: have yellow perch wallee small mouth. People don't target catfish,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: and catfish has a reputation as just being a muddy
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: tasteing fish. And I grew up thinking that and used
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: to and we would catch them and fry them. And
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: it's just not widely known. It is down here, for
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: sure among people who target them. Is not widely known
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: that you needed that you need to trim your filets
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: because people up there used to eat in flames that
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: need no trimming, right, So the so there you are,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: You're you're ranking them out. The other argument is, and
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I think one that's more highly debatable. I think, like
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: you said, flatheads are our tops top shelf in the
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: catfish shelving world. The blues and the channels or where
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: a great debate happens. Um. I prefer channels a little
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: bit more than than blue cats because of the fat contact.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: And I do I want to point out that we
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: caught a maybe a seven or eight pound channel. You
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: said that's a channel. I was going, man, I think
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: that's a blue cat um because they're they're similar, and
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: you were right. Um, we asked one of our fisheries, buddies,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: and it's the it's the shape of the was it
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: the anal anal ray and a chance that's the best.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: That's the best tip I've ever heard. Because they both
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: have a forked tail, right, Like some people call channels
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: forks because they have a forked tail, and the blue
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: has a fork tail. But the anal ray that's a
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: good tip. That's a hot tip that he that's a
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: good one. And and so the anal ray on a
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: channel catfish. So if you go to the fin that
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: sits on the bottom side, the bottom side that fits
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: between the between the vent in the tail, in the
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: caudal fin or tail, there's an anal ray and it's
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: you go ahead, yeah, um on a channel it's it's
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: curved like like the bottom of a channel would be.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: And that's that's the way he remembers it in his mind.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: So it's it's like a like a D shape or
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: a curved canoe shape. It describes like an arc an
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: arc on the blue cat that fin is flat like
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: a straight line. Yeah, it's like a radius along straight
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: line and another radius that comes back up into the fish.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to forget that and I've struggled with
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: it a lot, and I've had people send me pictures
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, it's a blue cat, and I'm like,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a channel cat, and you go, no,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's a blue cat, right. But it's just
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: a final, done deal done because there's a little bit
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: of color variation. But them, damn, the blue cats are gorgeous. Yeah,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: they're blue, man, and they look like it looks like
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: it looks like they got skin like a mako shark man,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of color, you know. And then uh, channels
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: have that like a yellowish grayish and then the flats
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: and the Great Lakes, the flats are a deeper, almost
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: chocolate brown. But here they that some people then call
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: them yellows, right, yellow cats, right, yeah, And you get
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: some color variation in those even here, Yeah, there will
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: be some dark brown. That fifty pounder had like a
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: ghostly yellow to it. Those big ones are like that.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: You see that big old yellow head come up on
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: a bank pole. It's exciting. Man, he doesn't see the
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: sun much. It's one of the biggest freshwater fish you're
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: gonna monkey with. Yeah, other than sturgeon, I think so
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: widely available, well managed right sustainable yield type thing. I mean,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: sturgeon are big with they're hurting right all over the
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: hurt like no one's let's say there's places, right, there's
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: places where you can do some freezer filling on sturge
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: and in a tightly regulated fashion. But like flatheads are
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: like you know, and as they as they phase out
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: some of the commercial fisheries, because there's still this is
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: the kind of a little known thing that you know,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: there's very few freshwater commercial fisheries in the US, particularly
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: for native fish. Like when you rule out there's some
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: commercial fisheries for non natives, but when you rule out
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: the non native commercial fisheries, there's very few freshwater native
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: species commercial fishing that goes on in this country. You know.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: Then you got like a salmon in Alaska and the
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: people debate, like our salmon saltwater fresh water. My brothers
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: a fisheries biologist. He points out that they begin their
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: life and end their life and fresh water. There are
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time out in saltwater, but
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: there are some that never even touched saltwater. And he says,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: he's like, it's arguable that the salmon is a it's
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: a freshwater species. So there's a commercial fishery for those
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: up there, right, but here's very little. And I think
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: there's you know, there's not like an increased there's not
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: an increasing commercial exploitation of catfish. It's a decrease in
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: commercial exploitation of catfish. Absolutely, catfish are being uh, you know,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: even if even with aquaculture or growing catfish, the catfish
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: farmers have really been hurting, you know, the past few years,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: because that's the species is just not looked at as
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: that great of a food fish as it has it
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: has been in the past. And I don't know, I
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, some of these other things
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: are becoming more more popular to others, specs and easy
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: to grow, and you know, telapia kind of overtaken catfish,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: and man, you couldn't get me to eat a telopia
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: for anything. Those they market under different names to nile, well,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Nile Perchase, because they're you know, that's one of their
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: native ranges. You don't like tapia, you just don't like
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: the idea. I don't like the idea of it. I
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: don't you know the I think I heard um in
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Florida and the everglades like half the biomass of fish telopia,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: you know, invasive and and there. Uh, I mean, I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: don't know the I mean they're like a carp They're
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: a vegetative, vegetative eating I don't know, man, they grow
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: them in cesspools on like a catfish. And I don't know,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was in the Philippines and they
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: have rice terraces. These are like communities where you can't
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: not even roade accessible. You have to like hike into
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: these areas in the Philippines, and there's people that have
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: the thousand year old rice terraces and they do a
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: rice harvest, so they'll grow a crop of rice, harvest it,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: and then as a way of fertilizing and regenerating the
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: capabilities of the soil, they'll put in a harvest of
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: tilapia and let the tilapia live in there and the
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: fish defecate, right, and then you harvest the tilapia and
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: then replant rice. And that system tilapia seemed cool to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: me because it seemed like this very like harmonious kind
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: of system that they've developed. And in that way, like
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: eating tilapia was cool. I thought was just like a
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: cool way they had to go about it, and that
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: in that particular situation, I looked at sloppy is being
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: like a badass fish. But you know them as a
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: non native, it becomes not as a them as a
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: non native. In the u s, they somehow lose a
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: little bit of that. A friend of mine caused them
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: to away green of what was that movie, charl Soiling Green.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: We're eating people. It's people. Yeah, he calls it the
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: soiling green of the fish world. But you know, a
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: rainbow trout is equally as synthetic. It's a manmade fish,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: farm raiser, just gen if you look at like what
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: we've done with the rainbow trout propagated all around the world,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: moved in barrels everywhere the stocking right, So it's it's
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: like a you know, outside of the Pacific rim um,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: it's a man made fish because rainbows aren't native to
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: like Midwest or any of that brown trout in this country.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: It's a manmade fish. Brown trout too. Man, you're eur
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: asing man. It's an invasive he's audit. Brooks are native.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: Brock trotter native in the East, cutthroat native in the West,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: native in the west. That's yeah. Yeah, when you're on
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: some pristine river casting dries at a brown, it's a
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: it's a barrel fish. Dude came over in the barrel.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: Give me the muddy river and a big flat man.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: Well you're a river man, though, So you like channel.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: Explain the other side, the flip side of this, because
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: you like a channel better to blue. Explain what you're saying.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: It's contentious. It is contentious. Uh. The good thing about
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: a blue catfish is they get great big and so
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: there's a sheer amount of meat argument that you could
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: use for fishing blues. The channels don't get nearest big um.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: So there's that aspect of it. But man, I don't know.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: Some of some of the guys just really prefer one
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: over the other. And I don't know. Um, I'm a
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: channel man, if if if given the opportunity. Now, I
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: like channels because out in my neck of the woods,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: that's the one we have greatest access to. So the
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: lower Yellowstone River, like, we fish channels and there that's
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: what you find there. I've heard rumors, they're unsubstantiated. Yeah,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard rumors about how far up
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: that system Blue is making and sometimes they pushed the
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: that they've been found way above their known westward terminus.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but we go after channels. But after
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: this hanging out doing this, I'm definitely like, I agree
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: with you. There's a mystique of those flatheads. Like I'm
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: with you. If I live in a place that had flatheads,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: I would be if I would be a flathead guy. Um,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: I like to fish yellow. I would probably abandon a
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: lot of my activities in favor of fishing flatheads. They're cool,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: They're super cool, and I know that they're so cool
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: in fact that a lot of people now are sort
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: of trouting them, trout eising them where it's becoming taboo,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: Like some people want to take like the bat the
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: large mouth bass aesthetic and apply it to flats where
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: they become like this touchable. You're not supposed to eat them,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: hey man, I'm good with that. As long as people
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: could keep putting flat heads back in the river, that's
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: fine with me. It's more for me to catch. You
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: got a good point. Can you explain your point on
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: or I could do it for you. On what your
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: thoughts on uh heavy metal contamination yeah, I think. I
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: like to think in my mind this every time somebody
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: asks me, well, what about the heavy metals, And it
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: goes and through my head like the flesh contamp, the
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: contamination of flesh from industrial plutes. Aren't you worried about
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: mercury or whatever? And I think, in my mind, man,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: if I can fish, catch clean, cook, fry up, and
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: eat so many flathead catfish that I get sick and
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: die and die, I will have one at life. Man, Like,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: look at Parker. He's ninety, but the mercury finally got him.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: He's gray, right, Yeah, that dude caught a bunch of flats.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: He must have some good spots. Yeah. Uh. It's the
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: same argument when when you go with deep, like or
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: is that deep good for hims? Like I don't know, man,
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: maybe he catch cancer in like sixty years, But do
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: you want lime disease or cute you know, spinal swelling
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: from some other disease or chiggers spray it on? Man? Yeah,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I used deep, Yeah, and I was
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: like I was explaining to you, I saw a deep
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: warp the back of my phone case off and destroying
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: my phone. I still put it on my body now
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: and then because I've also had lime disease and I've
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: also had chigger infestations. So we got on cats. Anybody
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: got anything any final thoughts on cats? Cast some baggin's.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: They're cool fish, just a giant they look like dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: We were looking at after Parker uh finished cleaning the
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: big one. We like, I mean, steps were like looking
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: at it hanging on the tree and there was like
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: you can look up through its guilt plate into its mouth.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: It's just like such a simple thing because like you
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: could just look up and you're like, oh, and then
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: that's the inside of it, and it's like, I mean
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: what you're looking into that gaping mall. Yeah, and it's
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: just so yeah, man, I like that they don't um no,
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: like teeth. I mean they have like sand paper, yeah
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: a really their mouth, their bottom and top lip or
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: colda with a really grippy sandpaper, and then they have
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: these crushers in the back of their throat that are
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: colded with sandpaper. Like when he gets a hold of
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: something that something's not going anywhere, but he doesn't have
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: It's nice. It's a nice fish when you can just
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: reach in there a fifty pounder and reaching there and
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: his grab his lip and not ribbing your hand. That's
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: nice because this is satisfying to pick up those cats
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: by that bottom lip. Man, I think I don't like
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: the bottoms. How long? How long they live in the
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: bottom of the boat. My sister in law when we fished,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: our sister in law, Juanita, she makes us promptly kill
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: every fish, and it's time consuming when you're into them
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: real good. She will not be in a boat with
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: a live fish in that boat. This is getting me
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: in trouble right now. Just so you know, My wife's
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: the same exactly. She'll sometimes not even she'll stop fishing
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: just to be the person who dispatches all the fish.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: She'll the fish because we remeb brother that wo'll get
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: him later. But she treats it like, yeah, that you
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: need to promptly dispatch the fish. She would not like
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: bank polling. She had to bring a shotgun. It's not
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: easy to dispatch a fifty pound fish in the boat.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: You have to use cover. You have to bring a
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: snake charmer out with you and hang them over the
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: side the boat and hit h with a snake charmer,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: like like castaways drawing lots Man. Have you ever read
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: that book in the Heart of the Sea. Oh? Thanks goodness?
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: Um anything else, no one. I have one thing that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: I thought about on the way over here. I want
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: to go back to what happened at the end of
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: the squirrel hunt. We're back to squiring yesterday, and I
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: was thinking the reason to be missing that rabbit. The
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: reason people don't use slings that are jump shooting rabbits
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: or quail or jump shooting it just in general is
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: because of what happened yesterday. I think, because that's a
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: real that was an issue. I used my sling on
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: my shotgun turkey hunting, and I used my sling on
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: my shotgun squirrel hunt, where you're doing a lot of
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: walking around, and was Rohn, because I need to use
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: my binoculars. I need to be able to put my
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: shotgun on my shoulder whatever to look for my binoculars.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: Same use bnoculars turkey hunt. Used binoculars all the time
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: turkey hunt. So if I was out quail hunting or
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: cotton tail hunting, I wouldn't have the sling on it.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: But it saved that rabbit's life. It did. It was
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: it was apparent a rabbit kicked up right at the
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: end of the hunt, close to the truck and ran
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: directly away from a beautiful j route to you, and
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: they got ja. Yeah, the here I come, you know,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: like going around a greyhound ring, you know, like here
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: I come, and then ran directly away from you for
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: like until it disappeared, like sixty or seven at a
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: trajectory where you need to do no aiming, right, just
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: pointing that general direction, and I fling my shotgun up
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: and the sling of somehow tangle around it. You can't see,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: but Gabriel, you know, good blouch anyways, but just like
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: off in that direction looking through a sling. Yeah, I
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: was dumbfounded. And you said you said the slings and
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see. I was like, ah, because it was
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't a thin sling that when you
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: he know, it's like a padded shoulder. It's called a
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: Folks should know this. It's called what do they call
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: those quakes? Those some nice freaking slings. Man? What I
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: do on them? Know, the hardware on them is no
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: good when you buy them? What's that company makes? No
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: grove tech? I take the quake sling and cut the herd.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: One end, you can just undo the hardware because it
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: comes like Uncle Mike's on it. So on one end
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: or something, I can't hember what hardware they used, but anyways,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: on one end I undo, you can just undo it
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: and put a grove Tech mount on it, grove Tech hardware.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: On the other end, the other end, you actually got
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: to cut through the still itching. Put a grove Tech
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: on there. You just order the growth text online, put
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: a grove Tech on there, put it back, and then
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: I gotta get dental flossed in my big gass needle
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: and redo all the stitching, and then you got a
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: sling and then you got live rabbits. Yeah, that should
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: be should be in your bag. That was embarrassing. What
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: a treat that would have been, that little added rabbit. Man,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: it was embarrassing. But from a camera perspective, like me
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: and Mike were like right that you guys are just
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: talking and it just had like for the camera, it
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: just happened so naturally, and it would have been so
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: it's like the rabbit, I just see everything Mike's on Parker.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: It's just like if the scene was I mean, it
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: still was a fun scene, but like yeah, if that
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: rabbit that the whole thing, man. Yeah, yeah, we were
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: right there really. Yeah. It was like I was like,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: this was over the shoulder, over the shoulder man. Everything.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: It was like the perfect We dig out that footage
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: so I can use that footage. Man. Yeah, that was embarrassing.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should be embarrassed. It was an issue.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: It's a sling issue. You couldn't see. I would have
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: made fun of you if you'd have just missed that one.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: But that was nice to have that little crutch. That
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't your little thing, like that wasn't your fault anything else. Well,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: I got a concluder um after a like our our
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: merch store, it's been lackluster for a long time, but
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: we're getting a really hardcore back up and running. And
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: we just got in stock a whole bunch of meat
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: Eator podcast t shirts, including our blouch shirt. So if
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: you go into the to the meaater dot com and
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: go into the story, you'll be able to get yourself
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: a Mediator podcast T shirt. And I was saying in
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: the description the even if you don't know what it means,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: it's just a cool shirt with a weird word on
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: it right, keeps people guessing. You can go with the
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: ladies in the bar and be like, check this out.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: What do you think that means? I recently heard about
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: a guy who goes to the bar and brings as
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: the only want to bring this up, He for some
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: reason puts tic TACs. He carries the thing a tic
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: TACs around in his pocket and he reaches when he's
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: talking to a woman in the bar, he reaches into
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: his pocket and shakes that tic tac thing goes. I
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: hear rattlesnake, there's a rattlesnake in my pants or something.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: Remember thinking that, like the quality of person that that's
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: gonna dredge up, I always used as a filter of
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: who I didn't want. I feel like the quality matches quality.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Like if you're the type of dude to go into
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: a bar and do that, the person that you're gonna
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: go to net probably the person that that trick is
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: gonna net. Yea perfect matter. There's a rattlesnake in my pants. Yeah,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: that's what he says. That's known as the local factor.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: I don't call him any I don't I agree. I
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: don't I agree at the bar, H you know, I
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: actually got a double concluder. Because here's the deal. I
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: go fish channel catfish every year, um on the Lower
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: Yellowstone and we have over the years go out there
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: with my kids, and over the years we have developed
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: we have perfected, between me and my bro the perfect
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: fried catfish sandwich. And we have a link to a
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: video about how you can go No, not a link,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: Let's go watch the damn video if you go to
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com, or you can go to
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: the show notes and find a link in the show
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: notes and you can see our video about how to
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: make the perfect It's not it's like a I I
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: like it because we make the sandwich with catfish, but
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: it's good for anything. And in fact, I don't know, man,
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: you can make the sandwich with any kind of fried fish,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: rock fish, catfish, smallmouth, bassball, I don't care. But um
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: we break it all down to this video and you
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: go check it out again. Go to the meat eat
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: dot com and you'll find the perfect catfish Sandwich recipe
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: or like I said, link in the show notes. And
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: here's the deal is it's it's also captured in our
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: forthcoming The Meter Fishing Game cookbook. UM, so you can
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: find it there as well. Any more concluders anyone ridge. Uh,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: you don't make one up for no reason. No, not
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: making one up, just reflecting on the life of a
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: river man and a squirrel man. And then it's a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: good one, good rewarding, rewarding life. Man. You could see it.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: I could. Yeah, I could. In a different life, I
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: could be a part of it. Fully. Yeah. That was
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: on your fortune cookie last night. It was yeah, business opportunity,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: trapping pigs. We're just living on a river, trying to
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: avoid math seth final thoughts. Ah, that was just cool
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: hanging out with you, Parker. Learn a lot it. Come on,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: it's a good time. It was fun. Yeah. And you
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: grew up chasing the wildly squirrel Yeah, I grew up
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: chasing squirrels. But my first flathead experience good. So no
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: flatheads in Pennsylvania. I don't. I don't even know. We
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: never There's something we just never pursued, you know. You
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: know what, man, we caught a big flat one time
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: out of I need not native there. We caught a
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: big flat one time out of the Delaware between pencilhere
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: it flows between Pennsylvania New York. Yeah, I need to
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: go back and look at a picture of that catfish. Man,
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: it was a long time ago, but I feel like
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, I feel we caught a big flat
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: out of the Delaware. Knowing what I know now. If
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: you know, if I was back in Pennsylvania and I
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: knew they had flats, that'd be all over him. Well,
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: we're not like these ones, you know. I mean, I
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: don't think there's not any place you're gonna go out
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: and get them like this. I speared, going too big flat.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: I don't Lake Michigan because sometimes in the late summer
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: the lakes get so hot. You know the break walls
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: they have with the Great Lakes at all, you remember
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  Speaker 1: the break wall is so like and the Great Lakes,
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  Speaker 1: oh like, if you go on the western side of
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  Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, you have all the river systems that are
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  Speaker 1: they're flowing west towards Lake Michigan, and the river systems
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  Speaker 1: usually passed through like a large you know, like like
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  Speaker 1: a large estuary where should be like the lake so
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  Speaker 1: white Lake Moskegon Lake are the river mouths, and so
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  Speaker 1: the rivers will spill out and they'll form these big
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  Speaker 1: lakes that form against the sand dunes that formed the
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  Speaker 1: shoreline of Lake Michigan, and then they hold back these
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  Speaker 1: big bodies of water, and then there'll be a channel
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  Speaker 1: that leads that drains that lake out into Lake Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: And the channels used to migrate, but they eventually came
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  Speaker 1: in and channelized them with big channel walls. So they
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  Speaker 1: built channel walls for shipping so that ships could come
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  Speaker 1: off the Great Lakes through the channels into the big lakes.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: And the cities are built around the big lakes, and
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  Speaker 1: you had mills and you know, coal fire generators and
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff they needed to get coal and lumber
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  Speaker 1: out all that um. To protect those channel mouths, the
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  Speaker 1: channelized channel mouths, you'd build these brake walls to bust
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  Speaker 1: up the surf. And so they would just take rip
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  Speaker 1: rap giant slabs of concrete and ship and build these
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  Speaker 1: big protective arms that sort of stretch out and come
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  Speaker 1: back in almost like a like a diamond shape, but
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  Speaker 1: the points cut off it to protect the channel from waves.
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  Speaker 1: And when the lakes get super warm, if it's a
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  Speaker 1: really hot late summer, the big flatheads would come out
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  Speaker 1: of there and go out and then live in those
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  Speaker 1: rock piles. Because it also gets so hot that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of suckers and stuff will come out, or they're
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  Speaker 1: coming up from the depths of Lake Michigan, don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but they will come out, and yellow perch will come
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  Speaker 1: in and all be living in those rocks where the
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: water is nice, much cooler than inside. And the big
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: flat has to come out and land there and you
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  Speaker 1: can uh there. You're allowed to spear gun. There's the
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  Speaker 1: only certain things you can spear gun or shoot with
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  Speaker 1: a bow. But catfish are among them. And I went
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  Speaker 1: out one time when we were diving down spearing red
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  Speaker 1: horse suckers, but I ran into in spirited giant flathead
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  Speaker 1: out in Lake Michigan. So in that way, I'm among
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  Speaker 1: a very small, small minority of the American population who
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  Speaker 1: spearheaded a flathead out of Lake Michigan. Yeah, two or
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  Speaker 1: three dudes are gonna write in and be I did
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  Speaker 1: it too. But it's a small subset of the American
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  Speaker 1: population that the spirit flat Lake Michigan. Yeah, any of
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: you see, I told you that's my concluder. Michael Um.
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  Speaker 1: I had a great time, enjoyed it. Yeah, following you guys.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, I did bleed a few times
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: more the first day. But yeah, that was a fun
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: first time filming you guys. I've been watching in the
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: show for a while, so it was kind of weird
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  Speaker 1: to be following you. But it's helpful because you probably
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: knew what we how it goes, yeah, what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: It did help and I'm excited to eat some catfish
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: and squirrel Johnny, me too. Man. My com cleaning thought
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: is we need to cut this, shut it down because
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  Speaker 1: I need to go and apply some anti itch cream.
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  Speaker 1: All right, turn it off.