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Fraggle Talk Episode 1: "Pilot" with John Tartaglia and Halle Stanford · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome to fraggle, talk.
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  The Unofficial Fraggle, Rock podcast, brought to you by tough
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  fix.com. This is the podcast where we
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  couple Fraggle Rock back to the Rock Episode by episode along
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  with the town's of producers. As writers and Builders, who
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  helped put it together, I'm your host silly creature Johannes.
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  Today. In our Premiere, episode will be
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  dissecting the pilot of back to the Rock in which we are
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  introduced to all the fraggles Doozers gorgs and various
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  creatures will Fraggle Rock again and Uncle traveling.
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  Matt returns into outer space joining us today are two very
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  special guests without whom this series would not exist.
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  First off, we have executive producer and Jim Henson
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  company's president of Television Hallie.
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  Heard, hello, Hallie, thanks for joining us.
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  Wow, hello silly nature. Hello.
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  And our second guest, is executive producer, writer
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  puppet, katzen and performer of here's the list sprocket,
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  architect doozer, gunge Barry, blueberry and Gobo fraggle
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  himself. John tartaglia.
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  It's I was so excited. I was so excited.
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  I said your name wrong. I apologize for that but beside
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  it and we're going to leave it in because that's how we add is,
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  this is no editing, no, none whatsoever.
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  Well, thank you both for joining us.
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  I think this is going to be a blast and this, this whole
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  series is going to be blessed as we're already revisiting this
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  series. After just mere weeks of it
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  being on Apple TV, Plus Yes, it's made for you to go back and
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  revisit so I love that. Yes.
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  Well I hope everyone who's listening.
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  This podcast is watching the show for the second third,
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  fourth time, along with us. Yeah.
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  So before we get into the actual episode, there's so much to
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  cover before you guys even turn the cameras on.
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  So can you tell me a little bit about how this show came about
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  and specifically what your roles were in the creation of this
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  series? It started out.
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  I was in a meeting with Apple TV plus and Jamie Ehrlich was
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  getting to know our company. We were talking about everything
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  we do and I was saying how I feel, you know, I really believe
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  in Hope Punk that it's, you know, time to make corny.
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  Cool. Again hopeful programming and he
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  was like, yes, yes, we're doing that.
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  We want to do that as well. And then he said, hey, what's
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  going on with Fraggle Rock? And I was like, what do you
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  want? Along with Fraggle Rock, you
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  know, like it was like perfect conversation starter hope Punk
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  than Fraggle Rock. And so he was very interested
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  and the minute I got my car. I called Johnny tartaglia, that
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  was like, yes, Johnny and I are huge Fraggle, Rock bands.
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  In fact, Johnny is the the Fraggle Rock.
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  I'm not even close to the level that he's at, but we sat there.
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  And we strategize, how are we going to push this?
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  Forward, how we going to pitch this?
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  What are we going to do to Dinah?
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  You take over and tell more we got and I think I could tell
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  he's comment. I am such a huge fan and I you
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  know I was always like the squeaky wheel the company that
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  was like, what do you know? And then all of a sudden you
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  know, we want to do this and it just feels like the right time
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  and I think Holly and I were always.
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  So we were struggling. I think, at that point because
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  Despite the world was, you know, the pandemic was just starting
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  and there's so much happening. I'd just like the world was
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  falling apart. And, and what do you want to do?
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  You want to escape to her Idol? Rock and make everything better
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  and and use Frog Rock, as a way to, like change the world that
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  was our hope is that we can, the series was an impact people all
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  over the world and do some good. We just wanted to do some good.
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  Yeah, well, you know, when we went into Apple to pitch it,
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  that's what we pitch. We said, you know, Jim Henson.
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  He had a reason for making probable Rock, which was he
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  wanted to bring about About world, peace and War.
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  And we talked about it here, we can do the same but this time
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  let's create a world that's peaceful.
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  And what does that look like? How can we create a world where
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  families and people thrive and let's see what the modern
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  issues. But also we came and we said but
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  let's bring the rock back to the Rock.
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  Let's do rock and roll. Let's like get big names
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  attached, let's do amazing music, let's honor the Legacy
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  music and I think the music part of it as well, was very, very
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  For apple and the Johnny also brought in the puppet.
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  Listen, whenever Johnny puts on a puppet, I feel like a gobo
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  helped us sell Fraggle Rock. Well, I'll go ahead.
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  Well, I was gonna say just on that note because I think I
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  think you enjoy the way the kick out of some sort of the
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  listeners that, you know, Tara Sorensen who runs television for
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  Apple who is a dream come true? We didn't know she was such a
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  huge red fraggle fan and we brought some of the puppets to
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  our original meeting with them. And and she held red fraggle.
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  The red fraggle puppet and was like stroking her pom-poms like
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  like a baby and she was like this is this is so special.
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  It was just wonderful. It was like oh your fans.
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  Like we are. Yes.
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  Like it just felt like the perfect.
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  The perfect team for Perfect combo.
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  Yeah, yeah. For sure.
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  That's, that's such good advice for anyone.
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  Who's pitching a TV series is bring a fraggle with you is
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  gonna win their hearts and that's it.
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  And you can, you sign a multi-million dollar television
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  deal, done. No, that's Hollywood, right?
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  So you're both credited as executive producers of the show.
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  So what exactly does that mean for both of you for each of you?
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  Well, the way I see, like my role as an executive producer on
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  the show and as a show honor is, you know, probably the beginning
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  of idea, right? The pitch, sell it, make it
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  right over, see the whole thing from beginning to end and
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  there's no end because like my job is just to keep the
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  franchise growing, right? And here, I am talking to you
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  about it and wanting, you know, to encourage everybody to keep
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  advocating for more. But so it's about like as an
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  executive producer, Overseeing the Creative Vision from the
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  beginning and making sure it's true to what we wanted to be, to
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  grow it to bring on all key creative talents.
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  So that was my job to bring on like key creatives.
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  That's everything from writers. Two production designers, to all
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  the directors, secular music producer, this is what I do.
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  I connect the show with all of these people, and then on the
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  other hand, to @zp for hence, then it's my job to make sure
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  we're on budget. We're on time, we're delivering
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  Show that suits the Jim Henson brand and then also it's my job
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  to as an executive producer be that executive producer for
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  Apple so that I took on a lot of that responsibility and Johnny,
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  you know, Johnny and I definitely like tag-teamed on a
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  lot of things but that was one of my big jobs to was to make
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  sure that Apple was getting everything they needed and
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  wanted on the series on a daily basis.
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  So there's a lot of there's a lot of little details to to the
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  job. But I would say those three are
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  the over over. Teen Tiffany's that I had is in
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  second producer. Johnny?
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  Yeah, I mean for me it was it was almost purely creative, you
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  know I mean obviously with Holly we were a team and we definitely
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  oversaw the production's hole and you know, and all the
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  logistics of that as well. But I felt like my biggest
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  contribution was in the creative side, you know, I was in a
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  writers room, the entire time kind of helping lead the charge
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  there and and really just kind of, you know, overseeing the
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  fraggle magic. It was kind of like you.
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  You know, I think when your when your hope when you're a smart
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  producer, your job is to just kind of let the ship steer.
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  You know, like to your steering, the ship at your kind of letting
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  everyone on the ship, do what they do best and just making
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  sure it's getting into port and I think that that's what Holly
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  and I, as a team we love doing together was just, you know,
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  we've both of the shared reverence for Fraggle Rock.
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  We wanted to make sure we were delivering a show that, you
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  know, everyone felt really proud of and I grew up listening to
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  and watching so much of behind the scenes at the Jim Henson.
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  World and what was always there, whether it was the Muppet Show a
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  fraggle rocker, Labyrinth of Dark Crystal.
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  All the things we love is that, you know, Jim and his team would
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  always let his group of artists work at their highest level and
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  trust them to do their best work.
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  And that's something that this group did Holly and I got to
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  oversee as we had this amazing group as housing thing, the key
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  creatives with this amazing group of people who were all
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  United in the shared Vision to deliver Fraggle Rock.
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  The way we all wanted to be in 2021 2022.
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  So that Was just that I think mostly, it was just kind of
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  shepherding the creative side of things and I felt so giddy to be
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  part of that entire process, you know, I love that.
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  Yeah. You just made me think to that
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  but what you and I had to do at the end of the day that is hard
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  to do as it's like a producer but that has to be done is we we
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  make the final call, somebody has to make the final call on
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  the show and so the final call to have to be made and and we
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  did it with And but definitely that that was that was that was
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  hard, because there were a lot of, a lot of great ways and
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  paths we could have gone. You know what, the other thing
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  that we did to Johnny that like high-five to us is that we
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  create a really fun fun set, didn't really?
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  Yeah, as EPS like, we're like, we gotta set a fun tone here.
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  Let's just have some fun. We were like bringing in pies
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  and we were bringing an ice cream trucks.
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  And we were dressing up. After truck coffee trucks, for a
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  big deal. But you know, it's I think to
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  that point, you know, that's something that Dave goals.
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  Incurred, Pro, and everyone, we talked to who worked on the
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  original series who were such a big part of, you know, of
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  informing us about how the original series came to be and
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  what that was like. You know, we really listen to
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  that that that Spirit, you know, that fun.
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  Light-hearted joy the silliness, right?
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  That's what everyone talks about the original series, that's why
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  everyone loved working until series.
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  Is that everyone's ideas were Everyone contributed and
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  everyone's work matter just as much as anyone elses.
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  And I think that's something we really tried to honor because I
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  think that came through. I love hearing fans say how
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  they're like oh my God, it just feels like a joyous world to be
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  a part of and that's what the set was like we had about.
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  Yeah, it was the most fun set I've ever worked on.
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  Yeah. It was really glad to hear that.
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  Yeah, yeah. We would do things like every
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  director. We would we would make them a
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  doozer poster and we'd honor them for their The day as as a
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  new director doozer and it was just fun.
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  We would just constantly have fun with new people coming in
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  with our entire group and pro. So anyway, it's important to
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  have an amazing creative culture.
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  And I think that Fraggle Rock was incredibly joyful in spite
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  of a pandemic, right? We were in a pandemic.
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  We did not have vaccines we were we were you know in a in a very
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  safe you know as safe as could be situation but We had a really
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  you know put put down some serious fun events every day
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  just to keep people engaged and excited to come to sup.
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  So anyway, I'm very proud of that.
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  I mean the thing that I loved hearing there is, you know, I've
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  been on Muppet sets sesame seeds, Henson sets and as fun as
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  it often is everyone who especially the old timers?
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  No, well it's not the same as it used to be, you know, used to
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  be. We could kind of fly by the seat
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  of our pants or we have like This family feeling to, you
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  know, between Jim and the other folks that he worked with, you
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  know, for so long that you just cannot recreate and the fact
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  that you made a deliberate effort to recreate that.
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  And that it shows on screen, really kind of proves how
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  important that aesthetic is. Well, there's something about
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  Fraggle, Rock of all the shows that Jim created, there's
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  something about Fraggle Rock. I think it's, I've always, I've
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  done a lot of thinking in the past few months about this, and
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  why, why is it so special? A two fans but to everyone who
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  worked on it. And I think what I've tried to
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  do is is that I think it's, you know, a series where I wasn't
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  variety show presentational like The Muppet Show and it wasn't,
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  you know, curriculum, educational delivery, like
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  Sesame Street. It was a Fantasy character based
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  show, and these characters, grew, and, and so, much of the
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  performers became a part of those original characters.
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  So much of the crew became a part of the aesthetic of the
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  show. And so I think that there is a
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  palpable tangible. Wait.
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  In the original series, The came through screens and it felt like
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  a real world because it was a real real world of people
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  creating it. And I think that that's what we
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  tried to let this version B. And, you know, that was part of
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  the Alchemy of putting together and how they will tell you.
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  Putting together this crew. And this cast, it wasn't just
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  about your talent. It was about.
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  Are you a team player or are you someone who can contribute and
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  understand that the A whole is much more important than each
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  person solo contribution and, and that's really true.
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  And what I love what I was dreamt about what it must have
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  been like, working on the original series, it happened on
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  this version was you would have the special effects, you know,
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  leader come over and say you know what, if you guys did the
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  bit. Hey, oh my God.
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  Yeah, that's a great idea. You know, I like everyone's
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  ideas were heard and even if they weren't implemented they
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  were listened to and they were valued.
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  And I think that that's when everyone feels like what their
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  car. They're contributing matters,
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  then they do the best work that can do and, and that's certainly
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  true for the cast. You know, this cast it, we were
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  very careful with who's part of this cast in the energies and
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  there's a lot of Hearts. I mean, we were fraggles we
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  would go explore the mountains together, we would go have
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  Pandemic, safe distance, dinners together and things like that,
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  because it was just, it wasn't. The whole thing was a family, a
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  giant family, but it was a family and that was just
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  important to us. And I think that, that is what
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  I'd like to think I wasn't there, obviously, but I like to
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  think that's what the original. The old days of Jim's work,
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  we're like to. Yeah, I, you know, I also gave a
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  speech at the top of it, to all the crew.
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  And I think it, you know what I said to them was listen, we're
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  all connected on the show but this show is about community and
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  it's about plussing each other. So yeah, you can plus 1 Their
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  experience and your work together.
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  That's what's going to make this show magical.
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  I think, sometimes I'm Productions, people get really
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  siloed into their departments. They get really soft siloed into
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  their individual contributions. And this show was important that
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  everybody had each other's back and we're plussing.
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  It like how can I make the cast experience even better?
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  How can I, you know, make I'm just trying to give even like
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  even the covid teams experiences even back.
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  Are so they would they would make like little little like
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  doozer do their posters they hang up at the covid trailer
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  that you know like the dudes just getting tested like you
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  know it just it was that joy that kind of just silly Joy.
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  Let's get through this together as it was great.
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  That's gonna say it's Joy but it's also you had people who
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  were the top of their game. On this go extraordinary
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  department heads you know everyone from Sky Johnson
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  running the Creature Shop to To Tyler Heron and production
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  design. And they were extraordinary and
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  they work together to keep building on each other's work,
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  and make excuse. No.
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  Just extraordinary choices. So the look of the show is
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  because we had this team that was constantly, collaborating
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  and innovating. I mean going into the Creature
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  Shop and even going into the section where the Doozers were
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  being Workshop was so much fun. We going to be like, look at
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  this hat. Look at this with, look at this,
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  look at this, look at these little shoes.
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  Spoons jackhammers boots and it's little a little flames and
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  the Spurs on his boots. I mean everybody was having so
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  much fun and really innovating I'm going to keep saying that
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  word everybody was constantly innovating on the show.
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  Yeah that's terrific. And that's something also like
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  front that Fraggle Rock the original Fraggle Rock from day.
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  One was all about Innovation I mean just as from a fan and a
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  you know Puppeteer and a technical aspect to it is all
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  these things that we had never seen done before and you're can
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  only continue Tin Ewing the innovations that are still, you
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  know, obviously usable today, but you're continuing to extend
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  that for the new series. So, I we, I feel like we could
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  talk about this for hours and hours and hours.
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  And we will talk more about these things, the the
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  Innovations, the style, the camaraderie, all that as we
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  continue through the series of back to the Rock.
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  But we are also here to talk about the pilot episode, and
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  we're going to really go through it.
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  The three of us here. And if you guys have some
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  memories, Of filming this stuff for developing it.
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  I would love to hear more about it but we start with not the
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  Fraggle Rock theme song like you would think this episode starts
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  with the song party down in Fraggle, Rock.
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  What was the choice there about not starting with our classic
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  down in Fraggle Rock theme. Well it's funny because I
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  remember reading Alex and Matt's first draft and thinking that
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  instantly I was Like, oh my gosh, the theme is in here and
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  the top and I think that the thought was we wanted to get
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  right into the Rock. We just wanted to go right in so
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  that if you had never seen the show before which a lot of our
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  audience you know, it's hard for fans to think of it.
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  That way that there's going to be a majority of the audience
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  has never seen Pride Rock before, especially worldwide the
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  way it's airing on Apple. But, you know, we wanted to make
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  sure people weren't walking in expecting anything and so it was
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  kind of like, You know, it, we don't want to watch that theme
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  ago. What's that?
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  Who's that person? Who's that inventor?
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  And who's that, dog? And we just went right into
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  Fraggle Rock. We want to get there quickly and
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  so we decided to make a musical and you know and the truth of
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  the matter is it's very important that you know, the
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  first five minutes of any new series, grabs an audience,
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  right? Because there's so much to
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  choose from today. So that's something Hallie.
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  And I certainly like, we were always pushing for is that that
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  first visual that first moment Aunt has to be big, you know,
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  and that four shots of me. Wow.
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  Like the show that this was not the original series that we
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  were, you know, the scale of kind of what we were going for
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  that. It was an expanded world, it was
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  bigger and we're colorful and you know, and they kind of also
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  see secretly to fans. Like we're good, you're going to
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  like this, you know, because there's like you're a
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  Storyteller. There's large Marvin.
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  There's like your favorite. There's the Ink Spots.
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  There's the Doozers all the characters.
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  You you love they're here and it was just kind of you know, if
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  your fan Watching it because you love the original series.
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  It's getting back down the rock for the first time in many years
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  and if you're someone who's never seen the show before.
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  It's wow. What is this world that I want
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  to explore? But I'm laughing right now
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  because I know Johnny so well and I remember the times like
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  where's the theme song? And this and then we're like if
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  we're going to do at the end and I was like what do you mean?
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  And and then so then we did have that conversation but you still
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  have to have Like a killer opening, you still gotta know
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  the world. It's got to be just as exciting,
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  but you know what? Alice come percent and matbus
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  felt were right. They never eat at the end and
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  then you suddenly are surprised with it.
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  You're like and they I think they were genius that they came
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  up with that idea. So give it to Alex and mad on
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  that one. Yeah, that was, it was a very
• 20:18
  satisfying moment which we will get to, by the end of this
• 20:20
  conversation. But for the On Fraggle Rock
• 20:24
  segment which I love because first of all the song is the
• 20:27
  Bop. It sounds great.
• 20:28
  It sounds like an old fraggle song which I very much
• 20:30
  appreciate, but I remember I was thinking back to the original
• 20:34
  episode of the original Fraggle, Rock the original pilot and
• 20:39
  there is a segment there where I'm sure they decided we have to
• 20:42
  tell people what Fraggle Rock is.
• 20:44
  And that's told through, you know, a letter from.
• 20:47
  I'm so not a literary journal entry from traveling, Matt, and
• 20:51
  he's saying I know fraggles are, you know, No, this kind of
• 20:53
  creature, that kind of creature we see on the screen that, you
• 20:56
  know, he's elaborating and we get to know what the Doozers
• 20:58
  are. We get to know what the gorgs
• 20:59
  are that sort of thing but here you jump right in.
• 21:02
  We're just going to assume that you're going to see these silly
• 21:05
  creatures and you're going to know, okay, I got it.
• 21:07
  You're these underground creatures and we'll figure it
• 21:10
  out as we go. Did you want to have anything in
• 21:13
  there? Originally that was going to be
• 21:14
  a little bit more explicit to say.
• 21:16
  This is what a fraggle is or were you just going to let it
• 21:19
  live and be will catch up? You know, get it or they won't.
• 21:24
  I think, you know, this was always the difficult, this is
• 21:29
  the difficulties of any reboot or rethinking of any show is
• 21:33
  that, you know, it has to be it has to appeal first and foremost
• 21:36
  the time that it's being made and you're the original series
• 21:41
  was, especially this first episode was a little quieter, it
• 21:44
  was a little bit slower, it was a little bit more, very dialogue
• 21:50
  heavy which by the way, you know, again, I love, I love you.
• 21:53
  So he's put that was that was the time that it was made.
• 21:55
  It was made in the early 80s. When that's what, that's what
• 21:57
  kids were used to. That's a good TV was nowadays,
• 22:00
  you know, you have big fast, heavy edit, heavy cut, heavy
• 22:05
  physical Zoom, Bam, Bam. It's a very difficult and
• 22:08
  different world to compete in when it comes to Kids TV.
• 22:11
  And we again, you know, as important as it is for us to
• 22:14
  appeal to the fans, me being that, you know, one of the
• 22:16
  biggest it's really important that we bring a whole new
• 22:19
  generation into the world of Fraggle Rock and a whole new
• 22:21
  generation of kids too. Fall in love with it the way
• 22:24
  that the Highlight did right and what you did.
• 22:27
  So, we knew that we had to kind of get right into that world and
• 22:30
  we had to make it funny and, and physical at a party.
• 22:34
  Like you said, the songs about bright, as a reason that we
• 22:37
  started with that song written by the brilliant Harvey, Mason
• 22:39
  jr. And his team, you know, it was
• 22:41
  like we need it. We need a way to say to you so
• 22:45
  much if you wanted to show as opposed to tell I guess it's the
• 22:47
  way they answered. Yeah, I'd also you know the
• 22:49
  other challenge that we have with this show and we did I feel
• 22:53
  like we did it successfully is to over, explain will make you
• 22:57
  feel younger yeah to over plane everything at the top in song or
• 23:01
  in script I believe what it made it feel like a preschool show.
• 23:05
  And so you know there's a reason that we brought on Alex cut
• 23:08
  person and matbus Ville to run the writing of the room, they
• 23:11
  understand family comedy. We had to elevate it and make it
• 23:16
  more specific a storytelling. So obvious is left to discover
• 23:19
  fantasy world. So for the fans that you know,
• 23:22
  new Frederick They already knew what the fraggles were right?
• 23:25
  And for the new fans let them Discover it right?
• 23:27
  Let them discover what the pearls all about.
• 23:29
  That's what's exciting about entering a new fantasy world.
• 23:32
  You don't go, you know. Star Wars did have the narration
• 23:34
  in the beginning. Yes.
• 23:35
  But you got to discover that world, you got to look at it.
• 23:39
  You got to figure it out. So that's the same thing with
• 23:40
  this series to it's like we're allowing the new fans to come
• 23:44
  and particularly the kids and Discover it on their own and
• 23:48
  Johnny that's absolutely right. She do not tell but again
• 23:51
  constant challenge to make sure that this Not a preschool show,
• 23:54
  but a chauffeur. Yeah.
• 23:56
  And that even fed into something.
• 23:58
  It's funny. I was thinking now back to,
• 23:59
  like, the lyrics of partying prog-rock, you know, where you
• 24:01
  need all the different characters, you know, I'm always
• 24:05
  ended. The characters are singing about
• 24:07
  themselves. There was a version of that
• 24:09
  where they kind of said their names.
• 24:10
  You know, I'm Gobo fraggle. And I love this, I'm went and we
• 24:14
  said, no, it doesn't work. We took it out because it's that
• 24:16
  felt so young and preschool. And just didn't feel like the
• 24:18
  fraggles and and there was always that conversation in the
• 24:22
  rooms. Like does this feel like the
• 24:25
  spirit of the original, but will work for today?
• 24:27
  And yeah, I think we just wanted to show it and you know, there's
• 24:31
  a little clip of the Doozers in part in Fraggle Rock.
• 24:33
  You see them dancing for a second but we certainly don't
• 24:35
  say we're the losers, you know, just right.
• 24:37
  Yeah. I was kind of get to discover it
• 24:38
  as the as The Show Goes On, which by the way, is the way,
• 24:41
  the kids take on things today the and they all sit down and
• 24:44
  watch an hour-and-a-half Disney film.
• 24:47
  You know, that certainly is not, you know, over-explaining, care.
• 24:51
  You're discovering those World, in those characters, as Show
• 24:53
  goes on. So, so I think that's also just
• 24:55
  a style that kids today are used to Yeah, that makes a lot of
• 24:59
  sense to me. I think, I think you made the
• 25:01
  right choice. So in the first sequence after
• 25:06
  we hear party down in Fraggle Rock, we've got Uncle Matt's
• 25:09
  going away party, he is re-entering outer space which we
• 25:14
  will get back to you. But first this is our first real
• 25:17
  introduction to the fraggles and as you said they all had their
• 25:22
  lyrics here and there in the song, but we do kind of have to
• 25:25
  give them each their own little moment to reintroduce and Okay,
• 25:28
  gobos the one who's he's curious, he's a traveler Wembley
• 25:32
  as wembling over streamers while mokey's kind of doing the Zen
• 25:36
  thing to calm him down. And boober has made traveling,
• 25:40
  Matt, a utility belts of like stain removal potions.
• 25:44
  I just read is she wants to show off her big dive and so, first
• 25:49
  of all, red looks amazing. With, she's you've done some
• 25:54
  sort of green screen, things. You can see her full body, you
• 25:57
  almost don't even notice it. It.
• 25:58
  It's so it's so like Crystal Clear?
• 26:02
  Yeah, because normally you would see like oh there's like a
• 26:05
  bunraku thing going on here where there's probably a
• 26:07
  puppeteer who. Yeah, right.
• 26:11
  Exactly. But now it's seamless, this is
• 26:14
  also the first time that we've seen.
• 26:16
  The, what do you, what do you call this area internally?
• 26:19
  This with the fraggle, ponds the whole frag later.
• 26:22
  The Great Hall. This is the Great Hall.
• 26:24
  Yeah, so this is where, so, we've seen the new Great Hall.
• 26:28
  Yeah. I assumed that you were tempted
• 26:29
  to try to make the Great Hall. Look exactly the way it did in
• 26:32
  the original series. Is that true?
• 26:34
  Yes. And no.
• 26:35
  I mean we have we we kind of had a Tyler hair and who came as our
• 26:40
  production designer. He gave it one of the greatest
• 26:42
  pitchers I've ever seen in my life to be a production designer
• 26:45
  and it turns out he is the biggest Fraggle Rock fan to and
• 26:49
  his whole thing was let's it's like zooming out.
• 26:53
  Let's zoom out and see a real Great Hall.
• 26:56
  Let's add light. And reflection and color into
• 27:00
  this world and make it look, you know, we're all so wrong, 8K,
• 27:04
  screen nowadays, right? So the technology is, you have
• 27:09
  to make it look bright and crystal, clear, and gorgeous.
• 27:11
  And he just gave, I think one of the best pitchers I've ever
• 27:13
  seen, Holly. And I were just like, yeah, when
• 27:16
  we saw that, because it was, it was, it was glorious.
• 27:18
  He's like, I've done nine shows with caves were like you're in,
• 27:22
  you're in how many shows are there out there, he works a lot
• 27:27
  of Deep. You shows like yeah, there it
• 27:30
  is, but it's true. It's like, it's called the Great
• 27:33
  Hall. So you want, you want those
• 27:34
  great set. He wanted to be like the place
• 27:37
  where folks, the fair to Fraggle Rock, right?
• 27:39
  Like the shapes and all that. But like yes, we want to make
• 27:42
  this feel like a richer world like a world that really exists.
• 27:46
  Again, bringing in the modern television visual language kids,
• 27:50
  kids and parents are going to expect.
• 27:52
  You know, something that feels a little bit richer but is an odd
• 27:56
  Allah. You know, many of the franchise.
• 27:58
  Is that we all love, right? Right now.
• 28:00
  Star Wars, you're going to do an odd but you're going to amplify
• 28:04
  it to feel even more real and take advantage of Technology as
• 28:08
  well. So here's my, here's the most
• 28:10
  important question. I'm going to ask you in this.
• 28:11
  Entire interview is the fraggle cave connected to the Batcave
• 28:19
  Batman. You know what?
• 28:21
  Knowing Tyler, he he loves Easter eggs and he loves like
• 28:26
  little meaning behind it. It's very possible that that is
• 28:31
  the think. Maybe I'm a second season.
• 28:33
  Third, season Beyond, we discover something wrong
• 28:35
  connected. I love it.
• 28:37
  And I think red would make a terrific Robin.
• 28:39
  I'm just putting that out. There you go.
• 28:42
  There's definitely would would dig would dig Alfred so there.
• 28:46
  Yeah, oh yeah, they be hard at work.
• 28:49
  Making batarangs and fixing the Batmobile out, man, this is
• 28:53
  great. Okay, well we'll talk about this
• 28:54
  after the podcast. We're gonna we're going to make
• 28:56
  some sort of Greek cross cross over here.
• 28:59
  So so after we see the great cave, excuse me the the fraggle
• 29:05
  cave. Matt takes Gobo to see the front
• 29:10
  the new fraggle whole that's leading to Doc's.
• 29:13
  We Workshop, excuse me, new docks.
• 29:15
  New workshops lot of news here. I'm keeping up here.
• 29:20
  So first of all, it's clear here in the dialog that Matt has been
• 29:24
  to outer space before he is returning to outer space.
• 29:27
  So there's a whole question of Nudity which we don't need to
• 29:30
  get into if it's too fuzzy, but you must have had some
• 29:32
  conversations about. Okay.
• 29:35
  Did he already have these Adventures?
• 29:36
  Are we kind of starting over from scratch with the same care?
• 29:39
  Like what was some of the thinking there, continuity wise
• 29:42
  for this vote of these? These, these free talked a lot
• 29:46
  in the room about, in the very beginning, we had a lot of
• 29:48
  conversations early on about, is this sequel?
• 29:51
  Is this a prequel? Is this a complete reimagining?
• 29:54
  And what we decided was, you know, if you know the original
• 29:56
  series but the Of the fifth season by the end of the, you
• 29:59
  know, the original run. Everything was tied up, you
• 30:02
  know, Matt Matt had come back from outer space go but make
• 30:06
  contact with Doc the gourds were cooled the fraggles.
• 30:10
  The do dishes understood complicated when we were
• 30:12
  buddies. Like if there was kind of not a
• 30:14
  whole intentionally, there wasn't a whole lot of story
• 30:18
  conflict to pull from if you continue it on.
• 30:21
  Plus, of course, we have the reality of the great.
• 30:23
  Jerry Parks have passed away so he couldn't bring back the
• 30:25
  original. Doc they've moved to the desert.
• 30:28
  Which kind of changed that whole setup.
• 30:30
  So it was kind of like we're even doing do that, and people
• 30:33
  didn't quite feel, right? So it was almost like, let's
• 30:35
  just reimagine the show and that's kind of have like an
• 30:38
  alternate universe of. Yeah.
• 30:40
  You know a brand new version of Fraggle Rock gravel verse.
• 30:44
  Yeah. The Practical and that gave us
• 30:49
  the opportunity to explore a brand new version of dock and a
• 30:52
  brand-new version of adding friends into the fold of kogi
• 30:55
  who didn't exist in the original, but that could have
• 30:57
  always been there. You said, A new one before.
• 31:00
  And, you know, I think that as far as Uncle macros we did talk
• 31:03
  about that and and we liked the idea that he already gone out.
• 31:06
  But being Uncle Matt, he may have literally walked into the
• 31:08
  workshop and said I've explored all about our space about so we
• 31:12
  kind of left it very up in the air, you know?
• 31:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:16
  It was really just a reason to say he's going to do this thing
• 31:19
  that we know is a big deal that he's done before and it's
• 31:24
  whether or not go, it was going to go with him.
• 31:25
  That was the big. That was the most important
• 31:27
  part. Establishes is this was he was
• 31:30
  Global ready to go with her and the most important part for me,
• 31:34
  and that moment was Uncle traveling Matt booby noses with
• 31:39
  soba. That was absolutely one of my
• 31:44
  most favorite moments of all time.
• 31:46
  In any Fraggle, Rock, I did write down.
• 31:49
  This whole sequence is hysterical.
• 31:51
  The way that like, they'll look into my eyes moments, and, Oh, I
• 31:54
  thought flip the reveal with the way you revealed.
• 31:56
  It was going to be a bigger deal.
• 31:57
  But oh, it's a whole On the wall.
• 31:58
  Great. Like the whole thing felt.
• 32:00
  So I wasn't was part of it improvised on the day or was
• 32:04
  that all on the script? Well, actually, you know, that's
• 32:08
  really funny, it speaks. So, highly of how brilliant it
• 32:11
  Matt and Alex are as writers. Is that.
• 32:13
  I think that sequence captures exactly the Perfect Blend of
• 32:19
  staying true to the original characters and the original feel
• 32:21
  of the show and making it completely modern in the way,
• 32:24
  it's in the way, it's written in the way it's edited.
• 32:27
  In a way, it's cut together and Actually, chat your questions at
• 32:29
  the Improv in that particular moment, there was very little we
• 32:34
  could do to improve. Because, of course, Dave goals
• 32:36
  was going to be dumping Uncle traveling, Matt.
• 32:38
  So we had to be very careful of how we stopped that too.
• 32:42
  That's my original audio there. You know, my original Global
• 32:44
  audio with the great, Frank magical light puppeteering Uncle
• 32:47
  traveling Matt and then they dumped over it.
• 32:50
  So it was very carefully planned out.
• 32:52
  But I think that writing I'm so happy that you guys brought up
• 32:55
  the pooping notes as moment because that's such a perfect
• 32:57
  example of It Feels So frankly like I could have been in the
• 33:00
  original series and that whole dialogue could have, but it just
• 33:03
  feels very fresh modern and it just it appeals to what we laugh
• 33:06
  at today, you know. Yeah, it was true to script but
• 33:10
  also, you know, Johnny tartaglia is such a hilarious performer
• 33:15
  that, you know, you have these scripts that the guys, you know,
• 33:18
  they sometimes would do some improvisation from but really
• 33:21
  bringing the character performance to those groups.
• 33:24
  I mean, that is also what's hysterical.
• 33:26
  It's just the way The job may be performed.
• 33:29
  I mean, Johnny is the best and I'm not just saying that because
• 33:33
  we're on this podcast together, life is supposed to be, if you
• 33:39
  said he wasn't the best and he's right here.
• 33:43
  Oh, I know, but he like I'm just saying like even though that
• 33:45
  comedy moment, you know, took the script and like plussed it a
• 33:49
  billion times with this performance.
• 33:51
  So funny the back to knock. Oh yeah.
• 33:55
  So we meet the new Dock and the Presumably new sprocket, I
• 33:59
  assume it's a news Prague in not just a dog that because you know
• 34:03
  puppet dogs, they'll be with us forever.
• 34:07
  They do Lily Cooper plays the new Doc and I honestly she's a
• 34:12
  delight I'm sure she was a delight on set.
• 34:14
  I have to assume that she's Delight of a human being but I
• 34:17
  very much enjoyed the new Dock and this reimagining of her as
• 34:22
  as a grad students who's studying Marine Science and like
• 34:26
  trying to save the world on her own as opposed Doing things
• 34:28
  like, you know, stapling and a fried egg to remember what the
• 34:33
  old dog bit. Like those ridiculous inventions
• 34:36
  that he did which were fun, don't get me wrong but like he
• 34:38
  wasn't like that guy wasn't gonna, you know, clean up the
• 34:41
  oceans. But I truly believe that that
• 34:43
  Lily Cooper stock will. Yeah, she will.
• 34:47
  And, you know, so important to us to create a doc that felt
• 34:51
  relevant to today, right? But also its appealing to young
• 34:54
  people, right? So grad student, like,
• 34:57
  Millennial out to save the world, right?
• 35:00
  This is, you know, like like having real purpose, real drive,
• 35:04
  a woman of color, you know? Like we were like, we need doc
• 35:07
  to feel like she is of this time and also find and lovable and
• 35:12
  Goofy. She's so good with me but also a
• 35:15
  real scientist. And you know, Donnie's room you
• 35:17
  say this, a million times. But you know, one of the things
• 35:19
  that's going to bring about a better world, in a peaceful
• 35:22
  world science. Yes science.
• 35:26
  Yes. So that message is going to be
• 35:29
  pounded through Dock and really proud that we talked about her
• 35:34
  inventing inventing, but finding a bacteria that eats Plastics
• 35:38
  and literally, when we were done shooting there were, there were
• 35:41
  scientists and wasn't University that discovered one and I'm
• 35:45
  like, whoo. Yeah, it's real science.
• 35:48
  I love it. Also talking about just the
• 35:51
  casting of you know this younger person to person of color a
• 35:54
  woman that you easily could have gone in the direction of
• 35:59
  casting. Someone who is just so cool.
• 36:02
  Like someone who like like a Disney tween star that just like
• 36:06
  we're going to capture all those kids eyeballs in hearts.
• 36:09
  And instead you got someone who felt very real, someone who like
• 36:12
  people watching the show could aspire to be in real life.
• 36:16
  And we hope that they aspire to be this person because she's
• 36:19
  obviously making a difference in the world.
• 36:20
  I think all that stuff together and you know and she's she's a
• 36:23
  little bit geeky to just like us.
• 36:25
  You know anyone watching Fraggle Rock?
• 36:27
  See a little bit of geek in them.
• 36:29
  Yeah to your point I think it's also about you know, we knew
• 36:33
  that this series was going to air at the same time all around
• 36:36
  the world it was you know and Doc to your point was going to
• 36:39
  be a representative and a role model for kids all around the
• 36:42
  world. So that was that was such a huge
• 36:44
  part of it but also Lily. Lee, you know, she has and she
• 36:49
  is Doc. I mean it's getting to work with
• 36:51
  her to as Sprocket. She is so incredible in her
• 36:55
  improv and her in her quickness, in her memorization.
• 36:58
  I mean, I was like that's a lot of information to memorize the
• 37:00
  quickly, but she walked in and it was funny.
• 37:03
  We were having a hard time finding that aesthetic.
• 37:06
  Exactly. Just said that appealing like
• 37:09
  understood how to be really funny and make you believe
• 37:12
  sprockets real, you know, that that understood the feel of I
• 37:16
  will rock and Lily walked in and it was like there's doc you just
• 37:19
  knew it was. Yeah, her theater background.
• 37:22
  Her theater background. Definitely was key.
• 37:24
  You know, I think that she was used to having to dig deep for
• 37:32
  roles. So this wasn't sort of a light
• 37:33
  fluffy sitcom actor, coming in, she was coming in.
• 37:36
  You know, what's that? What are you holding there,
• 37:38
  Johnny? Holy a cup of water Kelly.
• 37:43
  This is a podcast. Nobody could see what he's
• 37:45
  holding actually. I'm sorry, Celine Dion, coffee
• 37:52
  mug and then I have my water. It's very exciting, very
• 37:56
  exciting. This is great podcast, fodder, I
• 37:58
  love it anyway, back to Lily. She's an amazing theater
• 38:03
  actress. Who can bring like a real kind
• 38:05
  of grounded performance but then have no problem being silly.
• 38:10
  100%. And the other thing I would say
• 38:12
  about Doc, is the original doc, I'm just going to say I thought
• 38:15
  he wasn't like always such a great pet owner, like I'm like,
• 38:19
  but it's always hungry or didn't have water or does it have like
• 38:24
  you don't you bend them a few times.
• 38:25
  He kind of lets me, let's make this talk and sprocket really
• 38:30
  close and she's really a really great dog owner.
• 38:33
  Let's let's do that, shall we? So I feel like one of the best
• 38:37
  scenes in the, in the Sewed is there's a very quick shot of her
• 38:42
  later in the episode where she's rubbing sprockets belly saying
• 38:45
  who's my peanut butter biscuit boy.
• 38:47
  It's just like that's what you doing.
• 38:49
  Yes. That's that's the old dog.
• 38:51
  Never would have done that? No, well, I don't know.
• 38:54
  I think, I think the way people treat dogs now is dip.
• 38:58
  You know, there are basic industrial days to write.
• 39:00
  So it's very different than maybe it was in the early 80s
• 39:03
  and that aesthetic. But oh my gosh, it's so much fun
• 39:06
  with that, you know, I love it. Well, so John, we have to talk a
• 39:09
  little bit about you. Sprocket.
• 39:12
  Yes, what was it from day one? I assume that you decided that
• 39:14
  you wanted to be the one to handle sprocket because you were
• 39:17
  podcasting. It was your call.
• 39:19
  It was well, it was a big Hollywood, tell you, I'm very
• 39:24
  hard on myself and I don't easily put myself into things
• 39:27
  because I, you know, we all have that that that that intercept at
• 39:33
  or right. But this as RuPaul would say
• 39:35
  that always kind of says you're not good enough, but in the room
• 39:39
  of we were talked about Sprocket.
• 39:41
  It's like I just always felt like I understood that character
• 39:44
  so well and I love physical puppetry you know, and I love
• 39:49
  communicating without without actual words and and everyone
• 39:54
  kept saying well, who's gonna play sprocket?
• 39:55
  And finally, I really genuinely think it might have been that
• 39:58
  out. So like you got to play sprocket
• 40:00
  or how they might have, you got that, you got that.
• 40:01
  But but I just I tried it, and I did the voice and I was like,
• 40:06
  oh, we made that's so natural for me and the time I actually,
• 40:10
  May I have a new puppy at the time and and I totally was
• 40:14
  watching, you know, how he responded.
• 40:16
  And her little sounds, he would make, and it just felt natural
• 40:18
  to me to do it. So I just kind of fell into it,
• 40:22
  but I really loved performing. It was such and to have Karen
• 40:26
  prowl as my right hand and a hill Wagner as Karen was on the
• 40:30
  original series. That was just, you know, a dream
• 40:33
  come true and we had such fun together.
• 40:34
  So it was just, yeah, it was a real.
• 40:37
  He was a blast to perform, he's just a boy.
• 40:40
  He's a blast of a character so to play.
• 40:43
  You know, what was funny is zoo read-throughs and you know,
• 40:49
  Johnny didn't have a dog puppet there and then I always had to
• 40:53
  read Doc and I always remember thinking how funny it wasn't
• 40:57
  Johnny. You just see his face.
• 40:59
  Whoo. Oh yeah.
• 41:02
  I've seen Johnny pant on zoo more than Making as myself that
• 41:11
  I'd be able to probably get a laugh with the puppets is so
• 41:13
  that's hysterical. I mean, the thing that we always
• 41:15
  say is Muppet fans, when we would see you know the old
• 41:19
  Fraggle Rock episodes is I don't believe that sprocket is a
• 41:21
  puppets. Pocket is a real dog like
• 41:23
  sprocket just acts like a real real dog.
• 41:26
  And a lot of that was you know kudos to you know with Steve
• 41:29
  Whitmire is the original performer but you've definitely
• 41:33
  picked up on that. And I mean that's definitely a
• 41:36
  credit to your talent as a as a puppet manipulator that you're
• 41:39
  able to Um eh sprocket you look actually alive.
• 41:43
  So thank you for continuing that tradition because it's just
• 41:46
  thank you, fantastic. Well I'm cooking something.
• 41:50
  Also, I think that's also the choice to the Kali was thing to
• 41:54
  make more of a relationship between back and Spock could
• 41:57
  also the way we shot it. You know, we knew Sam saw, we
• 42:00
  what we got a lot more ambitious with Dawkins Market but this
• 42:02
  time around where you saw the floor, you saw sprocket you know
• 42:06
  Standing full full bodied went up.
• 42:08
  There's the two moments in the city.
• 42:10
  She's dancing with him and you see him for the things that
• 42:12
  would, that was we're never done on your original.
• 42:14
  But I think also just increase that realism in that character
• 42:18
  and we, you know, that he wasn't just a funny.
• 42:20
  Sidekick puppet that he actually was a real, a real dog, a real
• 42:23
  character. He's a real doesn't moment in
• 42:25
  the pilot where convince you otherwise.
• 42:28
  Yeah, yes. What in the pilot and I
• 42:32
  remember, Johnny making sprocket, shake shake like a
• 42:35
  real dog would if you got wet and I was like, perfect.
• 42:38
  Like that just was such a Doggy moment.
• 42:41
  We all got it is. Yeah that was that was real.
• 42:43
  It was there. That was a real.
• 42:45
  I was wondering, I'd actually did wonder, I always wonder
• 42:48
  about that. Well will get S.
• 42:49
  There's more water stuff coming up.
• 42:50
  Let's move on with the plot a little bit here.
• 42:52
  So, Matt invites Gobo into outer space and it seems like he's
• 42:58
  considering it before sprocket grabs at them and he, you know,
• 43:04
  he books it and we also find out that Matt has lost his backpack.
• 43:10
  At the crevice of solitude that's going to come back to
• 43:13
  haunt us. So back at the back at, you know
• 43:17
  fraggle HQ we meet the Doozers for the first time outside of
• 43:21
  the the original song here and if you like created these cool,
• 43:26
  monorail things that like run around the ceiling was that must
• 43:30
  be real, right? Like, that's not even CGI,
• 43:33
  they're real. Yeah, that's cool.
• 43:35
  That's real. That's really cool is real.
• 43:38
  I think they're like, people think like, oh, Who are those
• 43:40
  all CG sets know, every single thing on those sets is
• 43:43
  practical, it's remarkable that really is because you, I mean,
• 43:48
  you've created something that looks so real, that it must be
• 43:50
  fake. You know what I mean?
• 43:52
  Yeah, I'm right. The doozer, monorail was
• 43:55
  inspired by the, the doozer spin-off series that we did
• 44:00
  that. I did for Hulu the preschool
• 44:01
  show. And I remember saying you guys,
• 44:03
  we got the coolest monorail. We should have a monorail.
• 44:06
  Yeah, and so, Tyler, Tyler took it to a different level design.
• 44:10
  Wise aesthetic wise, but like it's pretty fun with that one
• 44:13
  that monorail goes by, it's very cool.
• 44:18
  If anything we tried to make anything to current on this
• 44:22
  series, you know, we I think that's one of the other
• 44:24
  blessings of The Originals because it's takes place in a
• 44:26
  another world. It is timeless.
• 44:29
  And so we wanted to keep that as much as possible, but I think
• 44:31
  that with the dishes were like, no the Doozers have definitely
• 44:35
  Advanced their technology. Yeah, they're like a hundred
• 44:38
  steps ahead of the front holes. They figured out jetpacking.
• 44:43
  They figured out monorails, they figured out, you know, how to
• 44:46
  use the water to actually make energy and drive their
• 44:48
  constructions. Like they're a lot more
• 44:51
  relatable. I think two kids today like as
• 44:54
  far as they're like they're what kids are playing with, right?
• 44:56
  Kids are ya kid, his aren't just doing building blocks kid, kids
• 44:59
  are playing on iPads and kids are using technology.
• 45:03
  Well and I appreciate the fact that they have advanced since
• 45:07
  the original Fraggle Rock series because you know I look at
• 45:09
  things like We're seeing new Star Trek, Star Wars those,
• 45:13
  those kinds of franchises, you know?
• 45:14
  And it's like well technically we're a good like 30 years since
• 45:17
  the last thing that you saw how do you advance on something that
• 45:20
  was already future Tech? And they have to find these
• 45:24
  little ways that just to kind of push your imagination little
• 45:26
  bit. And here you have absolutely
• 45:27
  done that. Like, I said, Jack packs.
• 45:29
  I never thought I'd see a doozer on a jet pack, but there he is.
• 45:33
  So we see the new Dozer dome for the first time which has a cool
• 45:37
  statue of a doozer. I'm just curious.
• 45:40
  Is there a back story behind who that doozer is is not a factor
• 45:44
  of that particular Doozers persona.
• 45:48
  But that's actually Tyler purposely put that there as a
• 45:51
  nod to the original doozer. Dome, you know, to the little
• 45:54
  fountain that was in the original at the middle of the
• 45:57
  original music, Dome. And what I love is, if you look
• 45:59
  really closely, he standing on the building blocks of the
• 46:01
  original doozer sticks, oh, that's cool.
• 46:04
  The original crystalline sticks. That's, that's what they're made
• 46:08
  out of it. And so, it's almost like,
• 46:10
  Teachers are honoring their Advanced building.
• 46:13
  So that was a little glass of actually tons of Easter eggs
• 46:16
  throughout the series and that's one of them.
• 46:18
  That's one of those like if, you know, the original series you
• 46:20
  like those the original doozer sticks.
• 46:21
  If you don't know, there is no series.
• 46:22
  It just feels right anyway, but but that's what.
• 46:24
  That's cool. I like that a lot.
• 46:27
  We also meet cotter pin and the architect user in this scene.
• 46:31
  I love that Cotter pin. I don't know if she'd had this
• 46:33
  in the original series. She has actual cotter pins in
• 46:36
  her hair and her costume. Someone pointed that out to me
• 46:39
  that day. And I went, Well, first of all,
• 46:40
  that's what a cotter pin is. And second of all, it makes
• 46:44
  sense that she has used her namesake to, you know, for her
• 46:48
  for her wardrobe there. Well, and and talk about, you
• 46:51
  know, Innovation to your point real quick about the way we move
• 46:55
  things, the original cotter pin. She had that very kind of thin
• 47:01
  very feathery, stringy hair and we wanted to kind of make her
• 47:05
  look a little bit little bit cuter.
• 47:07
  So we added more hair. But you know what happened is
• 47:08
  her feathers would We'll fly away.
• 47:11
  And when we tested her like, oh, she's kind of looking a little
• 47:14
  wild hair, and how do we fix that and Scott Johnson the
• 47:17
  brilliant. Scott Johnson, and Jurgen and
• 47:19
  Robert Bennett. The Creature Shop came up with
• 47:21
  the idea of actually using cotter pins to tame her hair
• 47:24
  down in to keep her hair down. So it was, it was both a
• 47:27
  wonderful function that we needed to figure out like how do
• 47:30
  we make her look a little bit better on screen but then also
• 47:33
  it was like oh, of course, that's what you would use
• 47:34
  because her name is Connor. Yeah, brilliant.
• 47:39
  And John you perform. The architect, I do.
• 47:43
  There he is. So what's that?
• 47:46
  Like you got to be a doozer. Oh, I love architect so much
• 47:50
  Architects looking. I would make the crew laugh
• 47:53
  constantly with the architect on set because again the whole
• 47:56
  backstory and be like caught up in.
• 48:01
  Did I say about the time that I was Suzanne Somers workout
• 48:04
  partner like I would just make up the dumbest things and Donna
• 48:08
  I Campbell as cotter pin. So brilliant.
• 48:10
  You always go right along with me and probably being we have
• 48:13
  the career of the stairs. But that's it character that I
• 48:16
  did not think I would perform I did it in one day in a
• 48:19
  read-through. Just just because someone needed
• 48:22
  to read it in the room and the register and I was like oh I can
• 48:24
  do that boys. So it was one of those like
• 48:26
  magical discoveries. I was like, thank you Jerry
• 48:28
  Johnny, can't do any way you can do it anyway.
• 48:34
  I did not expect to play him but I was so thankful I did because
• 48:37
  I love really fell in love with that guy.
• 48:40
  Character. He's such a great, wonderful,
• 48:43
  character to play. He's just a goof ball and and ya
• 48:47
  know about Johnny because like you're like I am, I am not paid
• 48:52
  for this, but we're not getting paid for this executive
• 48:58
  producer. It's important that you put
• 49:00
  people in different roles that are key.
• 49:02
  And it really was important that Johnny was a part of every
• 49:05
  single puppet World, Fraggle Rock, because he would set the
• 49:09
  tone he would set a standard a high-level standard, that others
• 49:13
  would have to reach for. And so it's completely like to
• 49:16
  me, I'm like yes, of course, he was the architect.
• 49:18
  Yes, of course he was Gobo, do He is our leader and needed to
• 49:21
  be that also in these different puppet worlds as well.
• 49:25
  So anyway, I'm skipping to say that about you, too.
• 49:29
  It wasn't just a read for. So what you're saying is John is
• 49:32
  the architect, he is the architect.
• 49:36
  Yeah, see what I did there. Oh my gosh.
• 49:39
  Wow. All right.
• 49:40
  Well you think about that. So next up in this episode the
• 49:44
  fraggles all set out to go rescue.
• 49:47
  A backpack that seems important and I'm going through the gorgs
• 49:53
  garden where we meet the gorgs for the first time.
• 49:57
  So there's a couple of very minor changes here with the with
• 50:02
  our three gorgs, mom pain, Junior mom pot seemed almost
• 50:06
  crueler than they were in the original series where before,
• 50:09
  you know, paw was just a little bit more Dottie and Miles more
• 50:13
  afraid of of the fraggles in anything but here we start out
• 50:16
  with them saying those fraggles are nuisance, they eat our
• 50:19
  radishes To get rid of them. And that's kind of the tone that
• 50:23
  they keep through the rest of the season.
• 50:25
  Was that deliberate? Was that was that just something
• 50:28
  that you know, for the the ease of the characters of Simplicity
• 50:31
  of them, give them that one note, you're nodding I assume
• 50:34
  your response. Yeah, it was, it was deliberate
• 50:37
  and in some ways, I mean, I think we wanted to first of all,
• 50:41
  give Junior, you know, he's children, see the world in a
• 50:45
  much more honest and real way sometimes than their parents do.
• 50:50
  Because they're not as hardened and they're not as affected by
• 50:57
  what they've been taught, you know?
• 50:58
  And Junior is very pure. He's in a very pure sweet
• 51:01
  character. He he, he looks at me again.
• 51:03
  Garza Juniors. Performer said, you know, nature
• 51:06
  is informative to him. It's true.
• 51:08
  You know, he sees how nature works together.
• 51:10
  He he's like he sees the bugs and the grass and he appreciates
• 51:14
  it. And so you've got a very
• 51:14
  innocent view of everything and we thought it was important to
• 51:18
  show that, you know, The reason he is gorg, like, in the way he
• 51:23
  acts and goes after the fraggles of it, but it's because that's
• 51:25
  what his dad tells him to do. Yeah.
• 51:27
  And I think, I think we thought that we had a big talk about
• 51:31
  making sure that, you know, the gorgeous represent the 1% of
• 51:35
  today, right? The bearing there are, there are
• 51:37
  taking right there, taking all the natural resources, they're
• 51:40
  taking everything, you know, we need to have more water than
• 51:43
  anybody else. Just so we can say, we have it,
• 51:45
  you know, which is, which is what's happening around the
• 51:47
  world. So it was, I think Holly.
• 51:50
  I mean, I you you, I remember in the writers room, we had a lot
• 51:52
  of conversations about how to make these gorgs difference in
• 51:57
  the original, you know, still feel right.
• 51:58
  Of course, and still feel reels with the world, but to make them
• 52:01
  more relevant for today, that was a big thing there.
• 52:03
  They're making the wrong choices.
• 52:05
  They're making greedy choices choices that are affecting their
• 52:08
  garden and their world and with no regard for the other.
• 52:11
  And the whole point of this show is to show that we actually do
• 52:15
  affect one another. And you can see that was the
• 52:17
  story of the water. The thing that I I thought was
• 52:20
  really important with jr. And four children out there
• 52:23
  because, you know, there are more children out there yet.
• 52:25
  We talk about the 1% but then we also can talk about a lot of by
• 52:29
  standard ignorance and the world as well.
• 52:32
  And so if we can give kids a role model of critical, thinking
• 52:37
  of this character who is going to be under the influence
• 52:43
  parents, or any type of caregivers that are, you know,
• 52:46
  giving information that we know, you know, is wrong, but They
• 52:50
  don't think it's wrong, you know, it's their property, it's
• 52:53
  their land, they can do what they want and they can keep all
• 52:55
  out who they want to. But if you can show this
• 52:58
  character of develop compassion and empathy and critical
• 53:03
  thinking, I feel like that's one of the best messages we can give
• 53:06
  all kids around the planet right now is like, you can think
• 53:09
  differently than the people who are in charge, not to say that
• 53:13
  they shouldn't listen to their parents, but they can also, you
• 53:17
  know, listen to their hearts. That's terrific.
• 53:21
  Speaking of junior, he maybe it's just my my overly trained
• 53:28
  eye looks a little bit different than the rest of than the old
• 53:32
  Junior gorg especially when you consider the fact that all of
• 53:35
  the other characters have returned from the old series,
• 53:37
  look almost identical to their earlier counterparts.
• 53:41
  Was there a deliberate redesign their, and if so, why Well, I
• 53:47
  think it was a combo one. Was we wanted to up his facial
• 53:50
  expression capacity, we wanted to make him more remote knowing
• 53:54
  kind of what was going to happen in these 13 episodes and how
• 53:57
  much of a journey he was going to have, you know, the original
• 53:59
  series The Corkscrew really just blinken and lip-sync.
• 54:02
  And I was, it was a very basic functions that because that was,
• 54:05
  that was the technology of the time and I think with with since
• 54:08
  then the Creature Shop is in such incredible animatronic work
• 54:11
  with dinosaurs and wild things and everything.
• 54:14
  So it was kind of like, you know, Let's still keep it in the
• 54:17
  that kind of beautiful, simple fraggle aesthetic, but the world
• 54:21
  of the fraggles. But let's let's let's add the
• 54:24
  ability to smile and the ability to quick call his mouth and the
• 54:26
  ability to have upper and lower lid separation and move his
• 54:30
  eyes. And just have a little more life
• 54:32
  because we knew he was going to need that to a moat especially
• 54:34
  towards the end of the 13 episode 1.
• 54:36
  But he really has those big emotional moments with jr.
• 54:38
  Jr. With Gobo.
• 54:40
  And that was that was probably the other reason was, we wanted
• 54:42
  him to look just a little bit sweeter, a little bit.
• 54:46
  You know than the original puppet looked.
• 54:48
  And I we all love the original Junior but it was a chance to
• 54:52
  kind of to just rethink him a little bit and refraction a
• 54:54
  little bit. Yeah, he definitely looks much
• 54:57
  more youthful and innocent now. Yeah like almost like you know
• 55:02
  you want to buy a like a plush and you know, keep me in your
• 55:06
  bed at night or whatever. I want to Junior gorg.
• 55:10
  I want to do. Yeah, I don't buy one, buy a
• 55:14
  couple of them. So, in this scene, when the
• 55:18
  fraggles are running around and juniors, trying to grab at them,
• 55:21
  it looks like you got little fraggles that are actually
• 55:24
  running around the city like it back in the day.
• 55:26
  You know, there would be a little doozer size fraggles that
• 55:29
  like that you little are animatronic guys, but now I have
• 55:33
  to assume their computer generated or not.
• 55:37
  They are, they are, you are correct.
• 55:40
  And that is the only time that you will see them
• 55:43
  computer-generated. But old So when we worked on
• 55:47
  what they look like, we wanted them to have the weight of
• 55:50
  Puppets, right? Yes.
• 55:51
  So we had to give the direction like when they run, you know, it
• 55:55
  still needs to have a puppet. Wait, we did the same thing on
• 55:58
  Dark Crystal. And so that was an easy note to
• 56:00
  give on this one because I've been through it on Dark Crystal.
• 56:03
  But, um, I think they did such a good job and I think they're so
• 56:06
  cute. Well, I never won.
• 56:08
  You know, it's funny. I think everyone had the same
• 56:11
  like, worry of. Oh, are they gonna replace all
• 56:14
  the puppets in the show? With Stevie G and, you know, and
• 56:17
  it's understandable because there's a lot of probably a lot
• 56:21
  of situations and other franchises, other shows not that
• 56:24
  aren't Henson that what that would happen.
• 56:26
  And I think that we come from the place of puppetry is the art
• 56:29
  that we're proud of and we have this amazing team of puppeteers,
• 56:33
  amazing team of puppet artists. So basically the rule was if it
• 56:36
  was something that we really felt would be just easier and
• 56:39
  better to do with t g. We wouldn't do it.
• 56:41
  But like I said, that's one of the only times you see that and
• 56:45
  it really, it was Scale and and you know, those we actually have
• 56:49
  those those those little mini fraggle puppets.
• 56:52
  The, the there's so cute, they're adorable, but they are
• 56:56
  very limited. So, we have to bring it to life
• 57:07
  and to use it for. I think this, the two biggest
• 57:09
  moments are, is our that. And then, in the second episode,
• 57:12
  when red, it's all the flips on the rocks and things like that.
• 57:15
  Which You know, just would have been that would have been like a
• 57:17
  10-hour day right there. That's right.
• 57:19
  Yeah. And S.
• 57:21
  So it was just, it was used very few and far between the only if
• 57:23
  it really enhanced it and made sense for the moment.
• 57:27
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:27
  And it totally works. And also, especially when the
• 57:30
  fraggles are that small and you can't really see the scenes.
• 57:33
  You can't see that blue line that you were talking about
• 57:34
  before it works really well. And then immediately jr.
• 57:38
  Picks up Mochi, and mokey's a puppet.
• 57:40
  Again, it's all I got your brain doesn't go too well, monkeys
• 57:44
  still see gee mokey still has that.
• 57:46
  Uncanny valley to her face, it's like, nope.
• 57:48
  Here's something that doesn't really incredible.
• 57:49
  That this is what blew my mind having a lot of blue screen
• 57:52
  where I couldn't believe that they could do this.
• 57:53
  Is that when you look at that shot of when he's holding Mochi,
• 57:56
  her in his hand and she says, be the noodle all that, that is
• 58:00
  literally the brilliant digital artists matching the actual
• 58:05
  Junior gorg. And that's not a scaled up and
• 58:07
  it's not built hand. That is Bender.
• 58:10
  Shay's hand side of Junior gorg shot on One camera and then
• 58:14
  Donna as Mochi. The real puppet on another and
• 58:16
  another camera and they blend it together and tracked it so that
• 58:19
  there's no yeah. So that is really cool.
• 58:23
  That's an example of using technology today in a very you
• 58:27
  know friendly frog away but that looks so right and that you know
• 58:31
  you could have been made that whole thing.
• 58:33
  But we were like no half me real no.
• 58:35
  Yeah terrific. I mean that's very much in the
• 58:37
  vein of what what Jim would have done which I very much
• 58:40
  appreciate. Oh yeah.
• 58:42
  That that little tinge of computer help too.
• 58:45
  Mostly, it's all puppets. We have to do puppets and it
• 58:49
  looks real because of the hobbits.
• 58:51
  So, immediately after this, the fraggles meet the trash Heap and
• 58:54
  they seem to be meeting the trash chute for the very first
• 58:56
  time once again, as just as we are as the audience, the trash
• 59:01
  Heap seems pretty different and I have a few theories as to why,
• 59:06
  but I'd love to hear you talk a little bit about what, what are
• 59:08
  the updates to the trash Heap character?
• 59:12
  Well, I think that we it's funny how I actually talked a lot
• 59:17
  about this but when the series was first beer, first kind of
• 59:19
  talking to Apple about the show and you know what, it could be.
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  And you know, I think we both felt very strongly as did
• 59:26
  everyone behind the scenes that, you know, there's no reason why
• 59:30
  the trash Heap shouldn't be performed by an amazing female
• 59:32
  puppets. Here we have we have in our
• 59:34
  group, the world of puppetry is expanded and there are so many
• 59:39
  talented people, puppeteers out there.
• 59:41
  And, you know, Jerry was, oh my gosh, he was brilliant as the
• 59:46
  trash Heap in the original series, but first of all,
• 59:48
  there's no Jerry's not here, and there's no Jerry Nelson to
• 59:52
  perform the trash Heap now. So, it was like, well, let's
• 59:54
  let's take advantage of the fact that we get to.
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  Now use one of our brilliant, female puppeteers, and give her
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  a whole new life in a whole new spirit.
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  And, you know, I don't think it's a secret that the original
• 1:00:05
  series that there was, you know, the original voice of a trash
• 1:00:10
  Heap, you know, isn't always taken well.
• 1:00:14
  And so we also wanted to kind of make sure we made a character
• 1:00:17
  that appeal to everybody and that felt, you know, okay for
• 1:00:20
  everybody. And that's when Amy Garcia came
• 1:00:24
  into the picture. Also, Amy is an incredible
• 1:00:27
  singer and I think that we also felt like we wanted to and
• 1:00:33
  hopefully if we get to do more and more, Songs for the trashy
• 1:00:38
  but like she's just she's just a brilliant.
• 1:00:41
  Brilliant performer, you know the trash Heap, still the Trashy
• 1:00:45
  though she's wise and all-knowing has just the perfect
• 1:00:49
  way of giving you the answer but pushing you towards the solution
• 1:00:54
  on your own, that's important as well.
• 1:00:57
  So she's a great role model and that she's telling parents you
• 1:01:00
  know sometimes you gotta push them to find their own.
• 1:01:02
  You gotta go dig deeper. That's what she says to them and
• 1:01:07
  Also, want to push comedy comedy comedy with her.
• 1:01:09
  We wanted her to be funny. So that was really important,
• 1:01:13
  too, because I'm going to tell you right now my son who's now
• 1:01:16
  24, when he was a kid, he was terrified of the trash Heap.
• 1:01:21
  He was like, I don't know what the tragic like he was so scared
• 1:01:26
  of her and I'm like, okay we can make her scary.
• 1:01:29
  She can be kind of like icky, you know, sometimes and stinky,
• 1:01:32
  but she shouldn't be scary. So that was really important to
• 1:01:35
  up The Comedy of the Trashy for sure.
• 1:01:38
  Based upon my own personal experience, with, with my son in
• 1:01:42
  the trash Heap. So along with the trash Heap,
• 1:01:47
  she's got a couple of friends, it's Philo and gunge were also
• 1:01:50
  back from the old series and John here back, you're still
• 1:01:53
  here as gun. Yeah, yet another character for
• 1:01:56
  you. Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  So I mean, I always assumed that Dave and Richard on the old
• 1:02:03
  series, probably had the most fun just screwing around as
• 1:02:07
  Philo and gunge. Do you have the same kind of fun
• 1:02:10
  with these cattle prod? Yes, well and that's actually,
• 1:02:13
  you know, something that's Few people have asked me as they
• 1:02:14
  said, oh if you had Dave goals back, why didn't I didn't date
• 1:02:17
  play Philo? You know, and we have a lot of
• 1:02:20
  talk about it and and Dave actually was the first one to
• 1:02:23
  say that so much of what made those characters funny.
• 1:02:26
  And so much of what we love about them originally was the
• 1:02:29
  play on the set, right? Like the back and forth and he
• 1:02:32
  and Richard had and The Improv and the ad libs and the comments
• 1:02:36
  know, even just a little times they'd be like, hmm, like those
• 1:02:40
  little things that it just enhance the moment to make it
• 1:02:42
  funny. So He was a, he was so
• 1:02:45
  supportive of recasting Philo, and Dan and I have a long
• 1:02:50
  history together, working on / and Bubbles and other series for
• 1:02:53
  Henson. And, and, you know, when he
• 1:02:57
  auditioned for Philo, he just nailed that, that silliness that
• 1:03:00
  they've brought, and then I Richard Hunt is one of my
• 1:03:03
  personal Heroes. I mean, II, you know, as a
• 1:03:06
  fellow gay Puppeteer and just as someone who he played these
• 1:03:10
  wonderfully outrageous characters, I just think they
• 1:03:12
  were always my favorite as kids. So it was kind of, you know, my
• 1:03:16
  little tribute to him to get the plane gungeon to follow in those
• 1:03:19
  footsteps. And those are the original
• 1:03:20
  profits to. So there was something wrong,
• 1:03:22
  that's kind of a really emotional time and I put them on
• 1:03:26
  it was like, oh my God, like no one has touched these puppets
• 1:03:29
  and how many years we get to do them.
• 1:03:32
  So, you know, we just, it was just trying to keep that same
• 1:03:35
  partnership, anesthetic going and and Dan and I would often
• 1:03:38
  finished each other's sentences and a lot of what you saw
• 1:03:40
  actually that's weekend improv. That's where you saw a lot of
• 1:03:42
  them probably didn't A departments while on guns that
• 1:03:45
  luckily would make it in and then you have a me to who's such
• 1:03:48
  a brilliant improper to that you know, all that whole bit.
• 1:03:52
  I think I would have considered a is where the trash Heap is
• 1:03:53
  like okay, back to me, that isn't all that like that was all
• 1:03:56
  just us just playing and they just kept the cameras rolling
• 1:03:58
  and we kept it in. So the time yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Nobody characters was the ones who yeah, you can just improve
• 1:04:03
  with them and it works very well for the characters and that
• 1:04:07
  would have been hard to do with a voice that we haven't done.
• 1:04:09
  So that's why we haven't needed that life.
• 1:04:12
  That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  After getting some very vague advice, and a lump of trash
• 1:04:21
  cheese from the trash Heap, the the fraggles head back into the
• 1:04:26
  Rock and we get one of our original Fraggle Rock songs.
• 1:04:30
  Only way home. This is one of my favorite
• 1:04:33
  things about the series is that you brought back some of the old
• 1:04:35
  music and yeah be defined. It each one in a different way.
• 1:04:40
  You know we're not doing the exact same thing with the exact
• 1:04:42
  same characters you know? This one fraggles heading back
• 1:04:45
  home but it's this time it's Gobo and mochi singing.
• 1:04:47
  You know, harmonizing together and just kind of giving us this
• 1:04:50
  moment of walking through the Rock and passing through by all
• 1:04:55
  these characters, a lot of which seem original to the show but
• 1:04:58
  also some that are definite Throwbacks to the old series.
• 1:05:03
  I have to assume to ask about the old ones where they rebuilt
• 1:05:08
  as Easter eggs or were some of these just like sitting in a
• 1:05:11
  drawer and it's like oh it's that old fraggle character.
• 1:05:13
  Let's toss them on screen. Well, everything has to be
• 1:05:17
  everything has to be rebuilt. Yeah, yeah, does it.
• 1:05:25
  Does it really though? Yeah, it does.
• 1:05:29
  It does. Well, it's, you know, it's a
• 1:05:30
  tribute to the original public Builders and artists that things
• 1:05:35
  that you would have thought would have fall apart years and
• 1:05:38
  years and years ago, that have not been used for a very long
• 1:05:41
  time. They would pull them out of the
• 1:05:43
  Boxes and go. Hey, you know, we also have
• 1:05:45
  these rock creatures and they need some work, they need
• 1:05:48
  somebody for bishamon some repair, but the pretty great and
• 1:05:52
  that was magic. So so, you know really it was
• 1:05:54
  kind of like, oh my gosh, they still exist.
• 1:05:57
  Oh my gosh, those things are still usable to Holly's point.
• 1:06:00
  We had to do a lot of refurb to them and a lot of, you know,
• 1:06:02
  retouching and repainting. But I mean, it was amazing.
• 1:06:05
  The shape of these puppets were in.
• 1:06:07
  And again, that's that, that movement, that's the quality of
• 1:06:09
  what the Jim Henson Creature Shop does and those original
• 1:06:12
  builders in the 80s. Put into it.
• 1:06:14
  And so yeah it was just kind of like I was like a kid in a candy
• 1:06:17
  store. I mean, you can ask Holly.
• 1:06:19
  I was like in that creature shop like We can use that, like, I
• 1:06:23
  was the happiest, because I knew every one of those little
• 1:06:26
  creatures, that's what I loved about.
• 1:06:27
  The original series was watching the original series and that,
• 1:06:30
  that ecosystem, that was created.
• 1:06:31
  They never attacking didn't have names.
• 1:06:34
  They didn't have, you know, they didn't have a bill ever talked
• 1:06:37
  about the just for their, they're just crawling up the
• 1:06:39
  wall or stuck in a hole that's part of the World building,
• 1:06:41
  right? That's how you create a great
• 1:06:43
  way that it's in the script but it's also in the visuals of the
• 1:06:45
  world and so you have to make it alive and you don't have to I
• 1:06:49
  like that. You know you don't have to name
• 1:06:50
  everything. It's just yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Part of the experience, I love that song So Much.
• 1:06:55
  By the way, it's such an incredible song and it's such a
• 1:06:57
  beautiful moment. Paul Fox, our director did such
• 1:06:59
  a cinematic and beautiful job with that particular song and I
• 1:07:05
  got one moment said, that's ones.
• 1:07:07
  You want that? Oh, that's cool.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah, I'm glad that you just call that out because again,
• 1:07:17
  you're hearing, Donna, Kimball playing mokey, she's an
• 1:07:20
  incredible singer, so that Many that was suddenly brought to the
• 1:07:24
  music, like, just plus tit Harvey Mason junior, is a genius
• 1:07:28
  building off of The Genius of the original songs, but that one
• 1:07:32
  in particular I think it I think it pulls kids in there like,
• 1:07:34
  okay, you're on this adventure to now.
• 1:07:36
  You're now part of the fraggle, five your the fraggle 6.
• 1:07:40
  Now that song, where you're like, okay I'm part of the crew
• 1:07:44
  now. They're my friends now as
• 1:07:46
  opposed to the first song which is just party down in Fraggle
• 1:07:48
  Rock. You're now part of this group
• 1:07:51
  and there's something so emotional.
• 1:07:52
  National about that moment. Yeah, and there's something so
• 1:07:55
  specific about the voice of Philip Balsam and Dennis Lee's
• 1:08:00
  songwriting that even the most talented.
• 1:08:04
  Songwriters are never going to sound exactly like those guys.
• 1:08:07
  And every only way, the only way to get there, you know, to get
• 1:08:11
  that exact sound is to use their songs.
• 1:08:13
  Well, that and that and that is a big part of the original
• 1:08:16
  series. I mean that's what made Fraggle
• 1:08:18
  Rock, Fraggle Rock, it's called Fraggle Rock.
• 1:08:21
  So you know that music is It's such a part of it.
• 1:08:23
  So we knew right away very early on were like we have to use some
• 1:08:27
  of those original songs. It has to be a part of this
• 1:08:29
  family like once that we were A show.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah. And an original song when we
• 1:08:37
  really took a took us down with apple on that.
• 1:08:39
  We were like no that's this has to be.
• 1:08:42
  This has to be. I'm very grateful for that.
• 1:08:44
  I'm also really grateful for just new recordings of these old
• 1:08:47
  songs because first of all You're great and everyone every
• 1:08:50
  musician out there should want to should want to cover a
• 1:08:52
  fraggle song. But also I understand that
• 1:08:56
  except for the original fraggle songs that were recorded and
• 1:08:59
  released on albums back then. Is no, like, truly great.
• 1:09:03
  Crisp sounding recordings of those songs aside from like
• 1:09:07
  whatever's on the DVD. So to be able to like now we can
• 1:09:11
  start to put together some new fraggle albums you know even
• 1:09:13
  just streaming something like that's that's exciting to me.
• 1:09:16
  I love that. Download the album now on Apple.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah they love all, it's everywhere.
• 1:09:36
  You know what the Foo Fighters, you know, they did do their
• 1:09:42
  version of yeah, Fraggle. Rock rock rock and they had a
• 1:09:47
  blast doing it. Like late artist, love to take
• 1:09:51
  these original songs and just play with them too.
• 1:09:54
  So, you know, the I hope maybe we will get to do more of that
• 1:09:57
  as well. Yes, that would be amazing.
• 1:10:00
  Tell me something that we'll talk about in a few weeks.
• 1:10:03
  As we get to that episode. But for now our fraggle friends
• 1:10:07
  have found themselves in the crevice of solitude spot-on in
• 1:10:10
  Matt's back pack. Dangling from her from a
• 1:10:13
  precariously, Balanced Rock and Global climbs up.
• 1:10:16
  And once again, we talked about this before but he's really
• 1:10:19
  dangling. There's no CGI which I very much
• 1:10:22
  appreciate, you know, that was a combat is a combo of real
• 1:10:26
  puppet. And then we use the remote
• 1:10:29
  control version of Gobo to. So I so we could, you know,
• 1:10:32
  Akley hang in there and he could still have life to him and move
• 1:10:34
  his mouth and everything, right? Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  You don't just have like a fishing wire string just tugging
• 1:10:39
  on them. Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Like Jonah. He's struggling and there's a
• 1:10:44
  cave in and this I mean John you know better than anyone.
• 1:10:49
  This is something that when it happens on Fraggle Rock this
• 1:10:52
  isn't Justin. Oh no how do we get out of this
• 1:10:54
  situation? This is a know.
• 1:10:56
  We might be trapped here, forever.
• 1:10:57
  We might not make it out of here.
• 1:10:58
  Like there's some really dire consequences which I very much
• 1:11:02
  She you keeping in, in the tone of the series you easily could
• 1:11:06
  have taken that stuff out and made it a little bit younger, a
• 1:11:09
  little bit safer, little, you know, adding a little bit more
• 1:11:12
  fun but that really is a part of, in my opinion, part of
• 1:11:15
  Fraggle rocks, you know, bloodline that you know, the
• 1:11:19
  rock can be a dangerous place 100% And that guy was also
• 1:11:23
  something that we talk to, you know, with apple about early on
• 1:11:25
  to was like, you know, to honor the the series and make it true
• 1:11:30
  to the original. But also just feel Fun for kids
• 1:11:33
  today, this has to still have the spirit of Adventure and
• 1:11:37
  risk. And I know there's a lot of, a
• 1:11:39
  lot of real life lessons that come out of that, you know it.
• 1:11:42
  Yes. It's a very end that's real for
• 1:11:44
  kids, right? Kids are living in a very
• 1:11:46
  dangerous world today and the very difficult world and and
• 1:11:50
  watching how characters go through, those difficult
• 1:11:54
  situations and get out on the other side of them is really
• 1:11:57
  valuable, but it was. Yeah, it was important to us to
• 1:11:59
  say, we're going to see the fraggles getting to you.
• 1:12:02
  Dangerously high places, we're going to see them you know,
• 1:12:05
  dangling off of rocks, we're going to see them diving into
• 1:12:08
  pools, we're going to see things that you know are adventurous
• 1:12:13
  and and not be really honest. I had to go back, I had to go
• 1:12:16
  head-to-head. It was me going in head-to-head
• 1:12:19
  with broadcast standards and practices.
• 1:12:23
  And having to do a big speech where I'm like, these are
• 1:12:26
  fantasy creatures. These are fraggles.
• 1:12:31
  These are not little Children and you know and and we are not
• 1:12:36
  role modeling that a child won't dive off of the Fraggle Rock
• 1:12:40
  Cliff because they won't have access to the Fraggle Rock.
• 1:12:44
  Let like it was like just it was a it was the thing we did, we
• 1:12:48
  did make some you know we had to do some shopping for you show.
• 1:12:51
  People are okay, everything's fine and we're very responsible
• 1:12:55
  about that, but there was a whole speech about you got to
• 1:12:59
  let these fraggles. Like Johnny said, you know, And
• 1:13:02
  dangerous adventurous situations.
• 1:13:04
  Otherwise it's just not going to once again.
• 1:13:06
  Feel like a show for older folks, well, and it helps that
• 1:13:10
  this scene is right up against a scene where they're basically on
• 1:13:14
  a water slide, you know, like it's like when it goes very
• 1:13:17
  quickly from, you know, we might, you know, we might
• 1:13:21
  actually Parish to now. We're like whoo, whoo, damn fine
• 1:13:26
  hairs wet. Yeah, that's doing the big time
• 1:13:28
  and all that but this also introduces the concept that
• 1:13:32
  They've discovered this new water source.
• 1:13:34
  And yeah, there's so much to unpack with this moment.
• 1:13:38
  The biggest of which being that over the next 12 episodes after
• 1:13:42
  this that Discovery is going to carry itself through which is
• 1:13:46
  only the old Fraggle Rock series.
• 1:13:48
  Very rarely did of we learned something here and in a in a
• 1:13:52
  different episode is going to pay off.
• 1:13:55
  So I don't think there's really much to say about that other
• 1:13:58
  than, you know, you're updating the format like Lee for Fraggle
• 1:14:03
  Rock. But if you did have anything to
• 1:14:04
  say about about the new, serialization aspects of the
• 1:14:08
  show, again, it's what audience is, you know, are used to right
• 1:14:12
  now and expect and at the special in that it Aventure
• 1:14:15
  Series. So you know a light Arc through
• 1:14:18
  a series of one is completely expected and keeps you wanting
• 1:14:22
  to watch. And so that was a very
• 1:14:25
  deliberate choice we made. But in terms of a bigger
• 1:14:28
  messaging, I would also say, you know, the water was a deliberate
• 1:14:32
  choice. Choice because it does connect
• 1:14:34
  everything in Fraggle Rock. But also connects everything in
• 1:14:36
  our world almost every country and all of us around the world
• 1:14:40
  are connected through the oceans and connected through water.
• 1:14:44
  So it's this beautiful metaphor that we can all relate to or
• 1:14:47
  need to be reminded of, right? Well, if you have to, if you
• 1:14:51
  talk to experts, they say when, you know, you ask them, what are
• 1:14:54
  going to be the crisis, we're going to have to face, you know,
• 1:14:58
  in the next Generations Waters. Always wants top ones.
• 1:15:01
  It was the top. Yeah, and not and not just
• 1:15:04
  pollution in the water, which is a huge problem, of course, in
• 1:15:06
  the world, which is what Doc is working to solve, but the fact
• 1:15:09
  that we are connected by water and then it's going to get, we
• 1:15:11
  will if we don't do the right things, it will become a
• 1:15:13
  scarcity. And so it just felt like and
• 1:15:16
  knowing the original series dealt with that a few times
• 1:15:19
  which I was some. Those are some of my favorite
• 1:15:21
  episodes from the original are the ones that dealt with water.
• 1:15:24
  It was kind of like could we make this a much bigger thing
• 1:15:28
  that that connects this world and it's something the kids
• 1:15:31
  understand. Only because what's the thing
• 1:15:34
  that we all survive off of what's the thing we interact
• 1:15:36
  with every single day as water. So it just felt like the right
• 1:15:40
  way to go and also to your point, it's not just something
• 1:15:44
  that connects us all it is something that's specifically
• 1:15:46
  connects to this series to the original series because there's
• 1:15:50
  like you said, there's several episodes, notably let the water
• 1:15:53
  run is the first one. I think of that shows that the
• 1:15:57
  Doozers the fraggles, the gorgs and our world are all connected
• 1:16:01
  by for them. It was Only the same water pipe
• 1:16:03
  and it's kind of in here like this, this scene where the water
• 1:16:06
  shoots out and it goes into the fraggle Pond.
• 1:16:08
  The gorgs garden is overflowing with water, the Doozers water
• 1:16:14
  powered batteries, I guess, whatever those are go out there,
• 1:16:17
  crazy the water's coming out of Doc's pipe and more.
• 1:16:21
  So like it's going to have negative consequences later on
• 1:16:25
  down the road which will get you on this series which I'm I think
• 1:16:29
  that's just brilliant but we we will we will cover that.
• 1:16:32
  As soon we don't need to do that today.
• 1:16:35
  And you know what's fun about water on a set, is getting
• 1:16:38
  puppeteers wet. That's the most fun watching
• 1:16:42
  them just get so watching Johnny and Karen in a wetsuit and the
• 1:16:47
  pond that was gonna be my next question.
• 1:16:49
  You guys had fraggles in the pond with real water.
• 1:16:52
  This wasn't just, you didn't fake it.
• 1:16:55
  How did you do that? I was obsessed, obsessed.
• 1:16:59
  When I was a kid first first getting into puppetry.
• 1:17:03
  Watching those fraggles in the pond in the original series and
• 1:17:06
  and of course way before the day of days of CG knowing that those
• 1:17:10
  puppets were in there, the puppets looked a little
• 1:17:12
  different when they were wet, the feathers look different when
• 1:17:15
  they were wet and I was fascinated by that.
• 1:17:19
  I would try to, I remember I cut up a point cock when I was a
• 1:17:22
  kid. I'd like my mom bought one of
• 1:17:23
  those like plastic kiddie pools, you know, and I was like, trying
• 1:17:27
  to cut it up, trying to do it. I probably almost drowned
• 1:17:29
  myself, but I think he's really fast.
• 1:17:34
  And so when we had a big talk about that were like do we
• 1:17:37
  actually put you know, it's very difficult on the puppets to be
• 1:17:40
  put in the water. It's we had to we have to build
• 1:17:42
  these special swim fraggles like it didn't even Series.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah, this one pup is there built.
• 1:17:48
  They're constructed very differently than the original so
• 1:17:49
  they could get wet and get dried and everything.
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  So it was a big thing to do it. And once we decided, we were
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  going to do that, we were going to do the the, you know, dear
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  it. The way that they do it in the
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  original we did it on the pond is there is a rubber sleeve but
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  the To be built into the pond. It's part of the structure of
• 1:18:05
  the pond, in the public gets put on that.
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  And you basically put your hand up inside of it from below the
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  pond dry, but all that means is the puppets kind of sit there,
• 1:18:13
  they can't go anywhere, they're just kind of stuck in place,
• 1:18:15
  they're in the water. But then I think I'm the idiot
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  who in the said in a meeting when we were talking about this
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  first episode, and then, of course, the second episode were
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  red does, the big diving competition?
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  I think I'm the idiot who was like, well, Tyler's built this
• 1:18:31
  gorgeous. It's eight-foot deep 15 foot
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  wide pond. That's basically built like a
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  real, like a Jacuzzi. Almost like it's almost like
• 1:18:40
  that kind of structure. As like, why couldn't a
• 1:18:43
  puppeteer this idiot? Let's talk to you right now.
• 1:18:46
  Get inside of there, like, in a wetsuit and actually move in the
• 1:18:49
  puppet around and you can just frame me out, then you could
• 1:18:51
  really see the puppet swimming not just sitting in place
• 1:18:54
  floating but swimming and moving their hands and and everyone was
• 1:18:57
  like are you gonna do that as like shit?
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  Because you know, I wasn't in freezing cold.
• 1:19:02
  Audrey up. It was happening, it sure sounds
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  great, but we decided to go for it and I think what's really
• 1:19:09
  cool is that it just again to your point you you know it's
• 1:19:13
  there you know it's the difference between CG Yoda and
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  real Yoda you know. Yeah no matter how well, no
• 1:19:20
  matter how beautiful some things animated or CG you're human, you
• 1:19:23
  just have an uncanny valley knowledge that it's there or
• 1:19:26
  it's not and you may see that we couldn't have done it CG and
• 1:19:30
  water. That's right.
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  Fraggle It wasn't, it would be impossible.
• 1:19:34
  It would be like our entire budget for this season, you
• 1:19:38
  know? Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  Getting them in there. Also Johnny, my favorite day two
• 1:19:42
  is when the water was just a little too cold, like just like
• 1:19:45
  slightly like the little bit too cold, they forgot to heat it.
• 1:19:50
  So, they the first time I get in there, they heat it up, and it
• 1:19:53
  was like, almost like being a bath time.
• 1:19:54
  It was great. I was like, I could do this all
• 1:19:56
  day. I'm like, floating in the water
• 1:19:57
  Puppeteer in. This is great, second time, we
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  did it. They God bless them.
• 1:20:03
  They totally forgot to heat the water, taking it up and so I got
• 1:20:06
  in and I was like, I'm gonna die of hypothermia.
• 1:20:10
  What? A way to go make those
• 1:20:11
  sacrifices. What a way to go.
• 1:20:13
  Exactly conduit. Well, it's one of those things
• 1:20:17
  to were like you hear stories about Frank Oz.
• 1:20:19
  Performing underwater with Miss Piggy for great Muppet Caper.
• 1:20:21
  You're like look at Frank and do it like if even Frank would the
• 1:20:25
  time underwater? I can't say no when you know,
• 1:20:29
  Karen Pearl who's the most loving caring.
• 1:20:32
  Human being on this Earth. We've been she was like looking
• 1:20:34
  over the edge of the pond going. Are you sure you're okay and
• 1:20:45
  when you get that wet it a lot. So, I think my biceps got the
• 1:20:50
  biggest workout on those puppet watered is because really sorry
• 1:20:54
  about is soaking. Wet soaking wet puppet that
• 1:20:57
  weighs like 20 times when it's closed.
• 1:21:00
  Yeah, it was so much fun. I was living My Puppeteer
• 1:21:03
  dreams. That was great.
• 1:21:04
  He was he was I was a little worried about you.
• 1:21:07
  That was a day where I had to watch you on.
• 1:21:08
  We can watch the streaming zoom and I was like, I can't text him
• 1:21:13
  to say, are you okay. Yeah you do have a number like
• 1:21:17
  her phone. Yeah, of course.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah, right, so this episode mainly ends with gobert
• 1:21:24
  returning Matt's backpack. Matt offers Gobo once again,
• 1:21:29
  join me in outer space gobos respectfully.
• 1:21:32
  Lines which I think any of us would probably make the same
• 1:21:34
  decision and trash cheese Saves the Day by fending off.
• 1:21:39
  Another spot in the trash doesn't, it always doesn't it
• 1:21:42
  always look for trashed, he's in stores near.
• 1:21:46
  You should always have someone ask you some more urgency crash,
• 1:21:50
  but really this ends with what we've been discussing this whole
• 1:21:53
  time with Gobo kind of pondering to himself, doesn't it?
• 1:21:56
  Make you wonder? What else is out there?
• 1:21:57
  And what else is connected? Which is theme of all Fraggle,
• 1:22:00
  Rock of the The show of this podcast of you and me and
• 1:22:04
  everyone listening like we're all connected and we Zoom way
• 1:22:09
  out to see planet Earth. So we've established officially
• 1:22:13
  that Fraggle Rock is on Earth. We've never done that much and
• 1:22:17
  we Zoom back in. And we end with the way that no
• 1:22:22
  other TV show ends with its opening theme song.
• 1:22:26
  Yeah. The animation of it.
• 1:22:29
  No, John you you pretty recently posted a some great behind the
• 1:22:34
  scenes videos of you filming the theme song.
• 1:22:38
  I know we've been talking for way too long so you know feel
• 1:22:41
  free to keep it brief or we can return to this another time.
• 1:22:44
  But do you have any specific memories that you want to share
• 1:22:46
  about about being back in the Fraggle?
• 1:22:49
  Rock theme song and being a part of it filming that theme song
• 1:22:54
  was definitely I don't think there Was a day that we because
• 1:22:58
  it took a few days to shoot at, you know, between the dockets
• 1:23:00
  Market East, which we shot very early on.
• 1:23:02
  And then the other parts in the caves and the gorgs garden every
• 1:23:06
  day. It was every time we shot it.
• 1:23:08
  It was like, everyone got really.
• 1:23:11
  Super serious and super aware of how special it was, you know,
• 1:23:16
  it's almost like it. And, and the first thing we shot
• 1:23:19
  of it was the doctrine sprocket moment with Gobo getting the
• 1:23:22
  postcard. And I remember to just we were
• 1:23:24
  all this time, looking each other going.
• 1:23:26
  Oh my God, we're shooting the Fraggle Rock theme like you
• 1:23:28
  know, it's it was like, it was like we were so in the, in the
• 1:23:31
  heat of shooting all the dock and sprocket pieces and getting
• 1:23:33
  those finished that, it was like it the reality, without the you
• 1:23:37
  get into work mode. You forget what you're doing for
• 1:23:39
  a little bit and then all of a sudden it was like, you hear
• 1:23:40
  that do. Benton over the over the sound
• 1:23:43
  Symphony. Like, oh my God, that's the bad
• 1:23:46
  and Gretel and it was fun to kind of, you know, figure out.
• 1:23:50
  Well, how can we take the originals, you know, that
• 1:23:53
  original theme and those frat fellow fraggles, nerds like me
• 1:23:57
  out there, listening, who know who this, you know, it took the
• 1:24:00
  original series, a lot of figure out what the original theme was
• 1:24:03
  going to be and how they were going to show the world's.
• 1:24:04
  And I think of us, except I think I'm remembering.
• 1:24:07
  It's like 17 different versions. I think was were created before
• 1:24:10
  they settled on what we all. Know, and love.
• 1:24:12
  And and so it's hard. It's a hard.
• 1:24:14
  It's four different worlds to show it show how they're
• 1:24:17
  connected. You got to shut the characters
• 1:24:19
  each one. So, if you've never seen an
• 1:24:21
  episode of the show, you are not like, what the heck is
• 1:24:23
  happening? Where these big giant creatures?
• 1:24:24
  How are they connected? So we knew we wanted to keep the
• 1:24:26
  same footprint of the original. But again, it was like, how do
• 1:24:30
  we make it feel even more inclusive?
• 1:24:32
  And even more wondrous. And I was so excited about that.
• 1:24:36
  First shot going into Doc's workshop with what the camera
• 1:24:39
  could do. But also Really seeing Gobo grab
• 1:24:43
  the make that connection, you know, go about grabbing the
• 1:24:45
  postcard right, is Doc puts it in and running through the hole
• 1:24:48
  and actually that took the most time with, we use the real
• 1:24:52
  grabby hands. They built for the original
• 1:24:54
  series, those grabby hands that grab pizzas, the could grab
• 1:24:57
  props, but they're very flexible and it grabbed that postcard and
• 1:25:02
  runs with it was like so many different pieces had to work all
• 1:25:05
  together. The camera had a lineup at the
• 1:25:06
  right time Lily had to hit the right place with the postcard
• 1:25:09
  for me to get it for the hand to take.
• 1:25:11
  Take it, I turn there was a weird thing but it was it was so
• 1:25:15
  cool. I did so, so shooting that whole
• 1:25:17
  sequence was amazing. And then we have all the
• 1:25:19
  fraggles at the end. We shot the big Great Hall
• 1:25:20
  moments. I think I have a couple of
• 1:25:23
  things I can post about that, too.
• 1:25:25
  But like, just, everyone would only be like, we're shooting.
• 1:25:28
  It was so excited. And we were all very, very we
• 1:25:34
  knew Johnny. You choreograph that number, he
• 1:25:37
  choreographed that number. Where's many of the directors?
• 1:25:41
  Came with Johnny, they would together come up with the the
• 1:25:44
  dancing and the choreography but in that particular number was
• 1:25:47
  all Johnny and it was really fun to watch.
• 1:25:49
  Johnny direct and be the Bob Fosse above the Practical Rock
• 1:25:53
  theme song. He was very like five, six,
• 1:25:57
  seven, eight like, it was hilarious and very joyful.
• 1:26:01
  It was also figuring out again. Like how could we also keep it
• 1:26:04
  in a minute? And the original is a minute.
• 1:26:07
  I think seven seconds of The Originals.
• 1:26:08
  Really cut up seven seconds like what do we do?
• 1:26:10
  So So, that's where the idea came up.
• 1:26:12
  I think, I don't like to take ownership for things.
• 1:26:14
  I think I came up with the idea of going up, into the Great Hall
• 1:26:17
  through to the gorgs Garden. So you could get right there to
• 1:26:20
  see that connection, but will the figure out those little
• 1:26:22
  things of, like, you know, how do you tell it today?
• 1:26:26
  And I still watching geek out every time I watch them like to
• 1:26:29
  do that, the Remake that that's one of those.
• 1:26:32
  You know, like when you're watching something streaming and
• 1:26:34
  it gives you the option to skip the theme song.
• 1:26:37
  It's like he can't, he literally cannot like it's illegal to.
• 1:26:41
  Get the Fraggle Rock. The insult is always something
• 1:26:42
  else to see. Thank you for saying that, I
• 1:26:45
  won't say who, but Johnny and I were told by some people that
• 1:26:50
  people would skip it and we were like, no they won't.
• 1:26:53
  Nope, no, no, I actually said, I was like rival.
• 1:26:57
  Fans will accept a lot of changes and updates to the show
• 1:27:01
  but the one thing that has to be part of the show, even if you've
• 1:27:04
  never seen Fraggle Rock, You Know, Dan scares away, everyone
• 1:27:09
  knows that you've got people theme song.
• 1:27:11
  I think something has to be in each of us over for sure, and
• 1:27:13
  it's a perfect theme song. It's got that great Baseline.
• 1:27:15
  It's got the claps. It's got an introduction to your
• 1:27:18
  characters. It's fun and funny.
• 1:27:21
  I mean, like if you change any part of that you lose something,
• 1:27:24
  I'll tell you, actually, personally, speaking, there's
• 1:27:27
  one thing that's missing that I wish was there and it's a tiny
• 1:27:30
  little thing. It's when the Doozers have have
• 1:27:32
  their verse, I kind of wish that there was a that little like
• 1:27:36
  poop like that robotic music in the background.
• 1:27:38
  That's in the original theme song and Humming to myself but
• 1:27:43
  to myself when I watch the show because I miss it that much,
• 1:27:46
  that's it second season, we're putting it in, I'll tell her
• 1:27:52
  fantastic, I'm excited. Okay well there's so much more
• 1:27:56
  to talk about with this series and unfortunately we've already
• 1:27:59
  been at this for far too long, but the good news is that this
• 1:28:01
  is only the first episode of Fraggle talks.
• 1:28:03
  We're going to do so much more of this with the rest of our
• 1:28:06
  guests. But this is not the last that
• 1:28:09
  we're going to be hearing from the two of you on this.
• 1:28:11
  Podcast moving forward John you will be presenting a special
• 1:28:15
  fraggle, fast fact in every episode which I'm really excited
• 1:28:18
  about and Hallie, you'll be back in every episode with our
• 1:28:22
  special dig deeper segments. So we could talk about some of
• 1:28:25
  the big topics addressed in each of these back to the Rock
• 1:28:27
  episodes. So this is not goodbye, this is
• 1:28:31
  not fair. Well, this is.
• 1:28:32
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• 1:28:36
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