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Episode 21. Staff Meeting in Space & Chewbacca vs. The Scarecrow (Feat. Garrison Davis of Uprising: A Guide from Portland) · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to High and Dry, where the guests are made up and the topics don't matter.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ryan Barron North, host and drunken philosopher of High and Dry Podcast.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_04: With me as always, we have James Crosslin, our high philosopher.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: James, how's it going today?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_06: It's going great today.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_06: I'm uh I'm really excited to um get messed up like real bad.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah, and talk.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, whatever.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: So joining us today, the Riot Kid from Twitter and writer and host of Uprising, a guide from Portland, our first caffeinated philosopher.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: We have Garrison Davis.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_04: Garrison, how are you doing today?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: I am doing uh swell.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_04: Swell?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_04: Swell, glad to hear it.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: Glad to hear it.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: So for those of uh people who aren't familiar, um would you mind just like kind of telling us a little bit about host the Uprising Guide from Portland?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's uh so that's a podcast project I worked on in late 2020, um, trying to kind of be like a definitive telling of what happened at the BLM protests in Portland over the course of the summer and into the fall.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I I myself and a handful of other journalists were reporting there um basically daily.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um and maybe basically put this podcast together to kind of give what we believe to be kind of the most accurate narrative of what actually happened um and all the people involved and how they survived, um, how they didn't survive sometimes.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, just kind of that yeah, it was uh kind of just a it was like a love project, passion project for a lot of us.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um we interviewed dozens and dozens of people involved.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, our audio files on uh Dropbox are mass are massive at this point because we did so we did so many interviews, it was wild.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's like a like a 10-episode mini-series that you can check out.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: And where can we go to check that out?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_04: Just wherever?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean uh uh iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to all your podcasts, see the whatever the spiel is.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_06: Listen to that.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_06: That's good.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_06: That is uh that is that is professionalism right there.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, anywhere you can listen back.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's that's that's really cool.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's really cool.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so thanks again for joining us.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for coming here to do something way less important.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: Let's get into it.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_06: Let's get down to business.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_04: So on high and dry, here's how it works.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: We kick the show off at the Mall Dilemma and then transition into a fist fight.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: But before we get into that, first we got to get a little drunk, we got a little get a little high.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: In this case, we gotta get a little caffeinated.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_04: Well, hyper line.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: A few few hundred milligrams, yeah.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: Or just do just straight gram.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Just do a gram.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_04: We'll get this out and then a gram of caffeine, yeah.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: That would go great.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: And then you could get to the hospital.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_06: So to get it started, so James, what are you smoking today?
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_06: Uh today I have a very special strain.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, it's been on the podcast once before.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_06: Sarah took it and then couldn't speak for part of the podcast.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's called Green Crack.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_06: I promise it's not actually crack.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_06: It's just marijuana.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: Nice, nice.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: But it's good, it should be a good one.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds good.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds good.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: So, Garrison, uh, how are you caffeinating with us today?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have to fix something again.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: I plugged my headphones into the wrong port.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_05: No problem.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: I swear I'm I swear I'm a professional.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_06: This is going in.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: This is going into the final guess.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_07: I did it.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, alright.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_04: So uh so Garrison, how are you caffeinating with us today?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I have four shots of espresso that I made uh a few minutes ago.
• 4:04
  unknown: Damn!
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: That'll get to shake.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that'll get to share.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_05: Well, meanwhile.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, hopefully.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: I thought about drinking a bang, which has about twice as much caffeine, uh, but I decided against it because I usually save those for when I need to do writing.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_04: Bangs give me headaches.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_04: I've transferred to C4.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: Bang is like a dead clown who's has some disorder that makes it so they can't sleep.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's what bang is.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's useful if you need to get tons of writing done.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um yep, that's where I wrote most of Uprising was at four in the morning on Bang.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: I assume that's how most of Ryan's novel has been written as well.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's how I get that done.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, whatever it takes.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_04: Whatever it takes.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so meanwhile, over here, um, as the drunken philosopher, I have run out of full bottles of boots.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna be switching off between Grey Goose vodka.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: I have a little bit of that left.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'll knock out the rest of this Captain Morgan black spice drum.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: And then for the final shots, James has brought me uh Mama Wana.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: And uh it says on here it's an aphrodisiac, so that's uh I'm trying to get you liquored up for after the podcast.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's how I want to spend the rest of my day.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_06: Cool.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_06: It is a cultural drink from the Dominican Republic that I got on my honeymoon.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_06: Awesome, awesome.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_06: So let's get to it.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_04: So for our first toast, this one goes out to uh Carl Urban and to our guest, Garrison, Garrison Davis.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for joining us.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: I could do a bad Australian accent right now, but I'm resisting the urge.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's alright.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we're we're on the rocks right now with Carl Urban.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: He uh he didn't get back to us when we threatened to release the location of Pathfinder.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so we're still working through that thing.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we reached out.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_06: It's too bad.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I I I would fist fight Carl Urban.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_06: If Carl Urban gets back to us, we'll we'll referee this match.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Who what?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_04: Hmm.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_04: Eventually, we're either gonna talk to Carl Urban or he's gonna send us a cease and desist letter.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: Either way, I'm good.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_06: One can dream.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_06: One can dream.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, either way I'm good.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um so uh for our next uh shot.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: This one is gonna go out to our newest region of listeners.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: And this week, I found this one.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_04: We had uh Japan is now coming in and doing some listening.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you, Japan.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for listening all of Japan.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: We appreciate it.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, all of Japan.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll be visiting all of all of Japan soonish, so that's exciting.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be that's really cool.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: That's really cool.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: Be sure to download tons of tons of episodes from there to like mess with your stats.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that would be great.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_04: We'd appreciate it.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: Biggest podcast in Japan as one listener who's not from Japan.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'll set up like I'll set up like a hundred virtual computers um and just auto-download episodes.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be great.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll do this whole stuff.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we'll get this done.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_06: We encourage every listener to do that.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_06: Buzzsprout, please don't provoke our hosting.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna do this mama mama after I took care of the vodka.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_04: So cheers to cheers.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: That uh easily the most flavorful drink I've ever had.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: Was it good?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_05: It'll get you rock hard in a few minutes, though.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: Huh.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_04: And finally, our last toast before we jump into our philosophical debate.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Garrison, what are we toasting it to?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh on a sadder note, I know uh two people got killed in uh Myanmar uh earlier today um protesting.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh last night um me and some friends, including uh AntiFash Gordon, Shane Burley, and uh a few other uh kind of uh researchers or press raised about$7,000 for Myanmar.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's amazing.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: That was amazing sending over for for gear and any other kind of expenses.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I I was I was up till like 5 a.m.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: uh doing that.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I didn't get much sleep, but it was it was worth it.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that's why I have 400 milligrams, not 400.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I have like 200 milligrams of caffeine right now.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, to the people who are risking their lives uh to resist a coup.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers to them.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: The real fighters.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, like things th things were bad in Portland, right?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was, you know, there there was gunfire, but not from the police.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we had police pull pull guns on us a few times.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we had I had I saw people almost almost like bleed out from getting hit with like steel corbaton rounds, but you know, caught police never open fired with live rounds like what's happening over there.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you know, it's it's it is it is kind of hard to yeah, like as bad as things were here, it is kind of hard to picture what exactly it would be like um over there because it's just something that's hard to imagine.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I can't.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_06: Uh we you know, I I joined some of the uh what became labeled riots here in Las Vegas as well.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_06: And we had someone who was expressing their first men first amendment rights who was murdered by police, Jorge Gomez.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um I thought I yeah.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and uh I can only imagine what my MR is going through.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_06: I went through something, you know, terrible just seeing it happen once.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_06: I I can't imagine.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_06: Real revolutionaries, real people who are really trying to fight for their own freedom.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I see.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: I was I did a I was very limited in the the BLM situation in Vegas.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I was lucky enough that the one I attended, it was very uh uneventful in those regards.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: And it was it was very uh it was very peaceful.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh very it was an it was a cultural sort of experience, so that was nice.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of tough stuff there.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_06: Hopefully.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_06: I think this is a good segue, though.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_06: This is a good segue to the question.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_06: Like we have a lot of problems here, but what comes next?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_06: Ryan, tell us.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_06: Let's talk about our question.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_04: So this week, now that we're all good to go, caffeinated high and a little drunk, um, we have our moral dilemma.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_04: So, in this moral dilemma that I'm posing to you gentlemen, it's 500 years in the future, or or whatever's going to be required for us to get to this point technologically.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we are sent off into space with our spaceship and colonizers, and we are leading those particular expeditions.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: You're given a new planet, colonizers, and a bunch of embryos that'll one day grow into your new population.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: You're charged with deciding how this society is going to be run and what it's gonna turn into.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: What what what what society do you create on this forest moon of Andor?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Garrison, guests first.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: What society do you create when you get off that ship?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: It depends what technology we have on the ship, I guess, and what yeah, how much of it can be usable on the planet.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um Let's see.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be the uh the main thing I'll be focusing on at the start will be creating structures of power that are not vertical, meaning we do not have people in charge of another in terms of um authority from a top-down perspective.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have people with their own specialties, but no one oversurps another person's authority by like using like like by by you know um have by using like a monopoly of violence.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you cannot you cannot create a power structure that can use violence um towards another with support from the from the power structure because because they are of a higher place, because we're not gonna have anyone higher, we're gonna have power spread out um horizontally.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's the main thing is making is making sure that we don't yeah, and then that can that can limit the kind of No monopolies.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no monopolies at all.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: But like no monopolies, like yeah, like even in like personal life, right?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like you know, like not even just like the corporation thing, it's like no monopolies in general, um in terms of you know government and and uh and that kind of thing.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then depending on how much technology we have, that's gonna that's also gonna change kind of what we're gonna look like.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, if we're getting dropped off on a planet, I assume we're gonna be tech technologically limited, at least to some degree.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um even if we have a you know pretty a pretty pretty high-tech ship.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: No, I mean uh for at least a while.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um I mean the assumption at this point is once you're able to send people out, our cultures at least managed to fully harness the sun at that point to power everything.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: We'd have to.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I mean it would take a while.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: That would be ideal.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would be great.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I mean, I would try to definitely limit technology's hold over people.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: I would try to give people tactile experiences, um, try to create a society that encourages um more interaction, more working with the uh more working with the planet, more working with natural resources, because I think that generally kind of makes people feel more um and it makes them feel more kind of connected to their own personhood.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would try to definitely have have more of a kind of a nature-based thing, even if we are embracing a lot of like advanced technology.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, farming is gonna be a big part of this, is figuring out ways that we can farm on this planet that is responsible.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, and just other kind of community-based models of living that is not expansionist, um, but is has respect over whatever other pl what what whatever planet we're on.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because we don't want to destroy it like we did the earth.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's such a great point that you said no matter what, we are in our environment and we need to protect and serve our surroundings as well.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's such a great point.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, let's let's use that as a segue into James.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_04: You just got off the ship with your um competing colony.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_06: Um what uh what does it look like?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_06: So uh what I think I'm gonna do is we're just gonna make the United States again because it's perfect, right?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's perfect, it uh totally works, everything's great.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_06: So we'll just remake America again.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_06: America's gonna electric blue galo.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: First thing we're gonna get to work on is the McDonald's.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: First thing we gotta do is is create some money around here, and then everything will be fine.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Open up 20 open up 20 gun stores uh all in a row.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Each of them has a McDonald's attached to the side.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_06: Uh you're saying you want to make you want to create like a field where we do plants?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_06: No, bullet factories.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_06: Bullet factories are the first thing we need.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_06: Mining, yeah, strip mining.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: By the time anyone gets there to see, hey, what happened to this plant?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's just a ruined McDonald's and everyone's dead.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: We did it.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: Look, humanity was here.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: This is my tag.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: This is humanity's tag.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, so um, my thoughts.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, James, what do you got?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: You get off that ship.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: I like Garrison's idea.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_05: Sounds a lot like what I would do.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: I think my first I think my first uh my first decree as the leader of this colony would be to hand over control to Garrison.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_05: He seems to have it on good.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then by decree and then my decree would be to hand over control to nobody.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and then we all just talk, and then we all just talk about what we want to do.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_06: And I nodded attentively, and I said, yeah, that sounds great.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, meanwhile, I'm watching the tree line for xenomorphs.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, I've I've seen Prometheus and I know how this shit ends.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: First thing we need to do is clear the planet.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: If we're gonna have advanced technologies, we don't even need to mine for bullets.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: We can probably just print them all.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: We can probably have an if we have like we can have like a constant like a concentrated metal surplus that we can just like basically print our own weapons if need be.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um we could make them organic.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: With our own garbage, we could make we could turn garbage into bullets if we wanted in the future.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, we're already changing garbage.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we could we could like we could like melt down our um like our plastics and garbage, um basically capture uh have like a fume have like a fume capturing system and then use that plastic to just print other necessary tools.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_06: Only bullets.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I bet we could get the government to really like like focus in on saving the environment if we if we taught if we learned how to turn garbage into bullets.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_06: I bet they'd totally get behind environmental changes.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: I I only use free-range, organically grown bullets.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but then uh so for me, I so I mean I'm I'm definitely thinking in a in a similar way.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm stepping off this ship and I'm standing in a position here where I have a chance to you know do something new.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um my concerns, however, would turn towards, you know, I didn't get here for free.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I know it's only a matter of time before the guys who sent me up here are gonna be chasing after me, wondering where's the McDonald's?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you assume it's a dystopia.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, I do.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_05: It might not be.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Good, good.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I don't think that's gonna happen at all.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_05: Hopefully, man.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_04: So I've just landed here and I'm like, all right, guys, so this is our chance.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta move quickly because the you know, the the pig dogs who sent us here are soon gonna be behind.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_04: Good, good.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what are we gonna do about that?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so that would be one of my things.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um But uh we we've asked similar questions like this as far as guiding society, and and one of my concerns would be that it doesn't matter who the person is, once you give once uh you know an uh power becomes involved, once anyone has any sort of level of control, they become a monster.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: And and my question that's how it works.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and there's like so my question would be is like, all right, how am I going to prevent that?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_06: Garrison had a like that's totally horizontal power structures.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be a lot of meetings, but I hope by the time they get to this point a lot of boring meetings, and as someone tries to take over, everyone like kills them immediately.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's how it works.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: The only way it's possible.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: Well, wait, I can go to meetings for this, but but you won't have to do manual labor because if we get to this point of interaction, we can build technology that will do that really hard shit for us so we can go to all our meetings.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, then what I see happening here is I'll be I'll be standing there eventually, and it'll be like, James Garrison, why didn't you send me this in an email?
• 20:22
  unknown: Probably.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so then uh that's the question I'd like to ask as we jump around one more time here.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, how the because that that's in my opinion, that's where it's always going to go.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you have the the cyclical nature of nationalism, and you know, how how do you prevent that in your new society?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, Garrison, you had made mentions about the immediate destruction of the individual.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what are your thoughts?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: Garrison, can you go a little more in depth?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Is it just like no country no country for all men style with like the cattle, you know, thing?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: Or we're really sorry you had to be a dick.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: Now you have to die.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the first thing would be like a preventative measure to keep it from happening in the first place.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I think if we have people more connected, if we have more people connected to their personhood and they already feel a sense of purpose, I I think the lust for power will become less of a thing.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think a lot of people's lust for lust for power now is just becomes it comes from a sense of like of powerlessness, right?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: You feel like you don't have control over your surroundings.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Our world is so like distant and it's it's so it's almost so imaginary in a lot of ways.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have so many weird struct like like structures that we do not understand how they work, whether that be money, whether that be taxes, whether that be like energy, internet, we have so many weird things that are too like abstract to wrap our heads around, and we have no power over them.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we try to grasp for power in any way we can.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Some people choose to become police officers, some people choose to become politicians, some people want to like rise up the corporate ladder, right?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: These are all different ways of of gaining power and gaining control.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um so if we can have a society that's more tactile and you can feel more in tune with yourself as a person and the environment and your friends and a community, I think you'll be less concerned about us like an existential feeling of powerlessness.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, I mean I would try to you know ha foster a healthier community environment based on helping each other, based on being in tune with our with our like s surrounding like natural environment.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, there's a few things I would I would try to do to get people to say don't really get to have.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I like that preventative measures.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well I do I definitely have uh you know something to kind of say on that.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: But so James, um so same same kind of concept.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: Your society has gotten started.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: You've already seen that one dude who's like, we need to start putting up walls.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah, I promote him to the highest levels of society and I let him control everything.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_06: And and things turn out great.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, of course.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um no, I uh I think preventative measures is the way to go, like Garrison was saying.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_06: I feel like uh squashing squashing a sense of insecurity.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_06: Insecurity, whether that's physical or emotional or even intellectual insecurity, like all of these things, um if we can quash all these feelings of insecurity and teach people to deal with vulnerability in a very healthy way, because you can't kill vulnerability, everyone's going to feel vulnerable sometimes.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_06: But teaching people to deal with it and have a sense of security in their connections to themselves, others, and the environment, uh, we can really prevent that grab for power.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_06: I know when I was a piece of shit in the past, uh, it was born out of insecurity.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_06: I wish someone would have made me feel secure in myself, my surroundings, and the people around me.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_06: Sounds like we need strong parental figures, people.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_06: We need we need caring, invested figures in our lives to who who show that life can be improved through this system.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um so for me, um, I'm creating this society, things are going well.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I have a secret cult of wrist blade-wielding assassins ready to weed out of elements.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: They got hoods and shit, it's super cool.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um but uh so so for me, I'm I'm I'm I'm very much a subscriber to critical anthropology and that the study of culture and the cultural movements need to say something, you know, as far as like, hey, what you guys are doing right now is a little you know iffy.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we should rethink the way we're running this.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then one of the people I looked to um is uh Eric Fromm.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: He was a Jew, uh German-born Jewish man who fled the Nazi regime, um, and he was discussing the cyclical nature of nationalism and how half of a society all of a sudden says it's time to start exterminating another group of people.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_04: What he developed is this idea of the escape from freedom, and that's a book of his that you could look at.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: And he said that as soon as a society has a surplus of freedom from the responsibilities of their neighbors, but a deficit of freedom to self-actualize.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: And if you combine this with quick moving technology in a situation where people are scared because things are changing, you're gonna have a group of people who will flee towards losing their freedom because it's getting too scary out there.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, and that's what we saw right now with all of a sudden 5G towers.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you got, you know, we've said it a few times, you got the you got the library of uh Alexandria in your back pocket here.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's freaking people the fuck out.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um but they don't have the freedom to self-actualize.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: So in my society, the big thing would be to give these people that freedom to self-actualize.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we which might be difficult if we're being attacked by aliens and um are also trying to farm.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I think that's the key is that people need to be able to self-actualize.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_06: You're killing and managing fear, it sounds like.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_06: Perfect.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, yep, yep.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_06: I like it.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, yep, yep.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: And dealing with any face huggers or anything like that.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_06: Damn aliens, they're always so they're always so aggressive.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_06: I'm trying to create utopia here.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Could you please, for one goddamn second, stop trying to lay eggs in my body?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so on that note, it's time to transition into the next part of our podcast.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: We have some interesting thoughts there on creating societies and what have you.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: But now it's time for the real podcast.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's time to talk about fist fight.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: But before we do that, we gotta get a little more drunk, we gotta get a little more hind, we gotta get a little more manic.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: So, first off, uh James, what's this last shot to?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, this last shot is to our combatants tonight.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_06: We're doing Chewbacca, famous uh uh companion to Han Solo and amazing revolutionary in his own right versus the scarecrow.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_06: That is Dr.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_06: Ichabod Crane.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_06: Crane, it is Ichabod Crane, really.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, Dr.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Ichabod Crane.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not it's not Ichabod, but alright.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_06: It's not Ichabod, it's not oh geez.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_06: It is Crane.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_06: It is Crane.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, thank God.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, oh my god, am I too high?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: I am Dr.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: Jonathan Crane.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_06: Jonathan Crane.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_06: Dr.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_06: Jonathan Crane, the scarecrow, uh famed psychiatrist of uh Arkham Asylum.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_06: Let's see him face off.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: So here's to that, and I'm definitely keeping it in there that you call Scarecrow Ichabod Crane.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is a much cooler name than Jonathan.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_06: Sadly, sadly wrong.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sadly wrong.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_06: Sadly.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_06: Go back to the question from last week was uh who could if you could go back in time and talk to one person.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_06: I'd go back to the person who created Scarecrow, I'd be like, name a Mikabod.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_06: Just do it.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_06: Just do it.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so this is how this works in High and Dry.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_04: So in High and Dry, we have a patented method that's completely irrefutable to determine who would win between two fictional characters.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um how that works, it's the three rounds.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: First round, these characters basically walk down into a basement.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Brad Pitt is Tyler Durden looks on because they remove shirts, shoes, belts, and they just punch each other to death.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_04: Meanwhile, the high and dry crew, they look down while Carl Urban joins them in the box seats.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe if we let him.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: We're working on it.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh round two, it zooms out into a city view.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: And in this city view, the characters now have access to any sort of equipment they'd want to find, um, any sort of tactical um things that are involved with them, just mental acuity, and they have a city to get it done in.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: And then in round three, it's the same thing in that city view, except this time they get to bring one friend.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_04: So let's jump on into it.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: We have Chew Braca versus the Scarecrow, Garrison, round one, these characters have just jumped into the fight club.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_04: No shirts, no shoes, no belts, and they're just punching each other to death.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_04: Giant monkey creature versus a psychiatrist.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is gonna be, yeah, it's very obvious Chewie's gonna win any first fight.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: If assuming assuming Crane is naked, then yeah, that's gonna be that's pretty uh that's pretty cut and dry.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe he can talk him down.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Chewy, you're not mad at me.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: So the thing is, is like Chewie's a dog, right?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's that that's kind that's kind of his whole bit, is that he just went Lucas's dog.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's really the best way, that's that's really the best way to understand his character.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, it makes no sense because they didn't because they don't write Chewy well.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because he he f he flip-flops all the time.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't think Crane can talk down a dog.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think the dog is gonna get it.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um I think you're right.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: So this is the Chewy that is George Lucas's Alaskan Malamut, and it's not the Chewy that's a general, and it doesn't matter.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't matter.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_06: I think either way.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I don't think Chewy was ever a general.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_06: He was like a revolutionary.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I'm talking about like Chewy and the Clone Wars, and in the Han Solo movie, which was not good, but but he was like he was trapped in a cage, and that's where they met, and he rescued him.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_06: They led a revolution, yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, okay.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_06: All right, well, James, your thoughts?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I the giant carpet with a face tears the psychiatrist limb from limb.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_06: Now so then for me.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm leaning that way too.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: My only thought is like, is so you know, like uh when we have the scarecrow in like the uh what's it called, the injustice yeah, where he's got those where he's got the like needles on his hands, yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: He can't even bring that in, but he's he's a little more.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's a little more ready to fight, but he's then he gets it then the dog thing gets his hands on him and rips him in shreds.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: Skinny psychiatrist.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_05: He's just a man.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: He's just a man against a genetic dog creature.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think we're pretty much in agreement then.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Round one is gonna go straight to the scarecrow.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: No reason to not the scarecrow.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: Round one is gonna go straight to Chewy.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: No need to really go further than that.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: So that brings us into round two.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and now at this point, Scarecrow, he's got to get two in a row in order to pull this out.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we've zoomed out into a city view.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: Chewie and Scarecrow have both received a manila envelope, slid under their apartment doors, and they now are aware that they have to take out the other one.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: Where is where's Chewie's apartment?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's on a spaceship, obviously.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Well, he had just moved, he like he was trying to start a new life after Han died, and he was just he moved to uh Gotham.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: Starts a new life.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: To start a new life.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you know, like he like moves in with like Killer Crock or something.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: What do we say the sitcom right there?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: That that is a good sitcom.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody steal our idea.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: We get so many, but I I would want it to be done like Golden Girls style, like it has nothing to do with Batman, it has nothing to do with the rebellion, it's just them like living, loving, and dating and stuff, dealing with life after loss.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'd watch it, I would too.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: At least you know, 15 minutes ago, yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_06: It's ours, don't steal it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_06: Easy.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: So um let's say it's um uh I'm trying to think of a decent place where these two guys would meet.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'd imagine it would be Chewy's abandoned.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Chewy, he went off uh crashed into this planet, which is called Earth.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they they end up on planets all the time.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_06: He got abandoned on Earth.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's ER.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_06: It literally means dirt.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_06: They've had to be on many planets before and adapt quickly to their environments, and so he does that.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um let's see, if we're gonna if we're doing a city battle or battle in a city, Scarecrow does have precedent for this.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: Whether it's Batman Begins or whether it's Arkham Knight, um, he's taken over his cities a few times and basically gassed the entire population.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I think I think Scarecrow would probably edge this out um and basically get Chewie to a point where he's kind of just unable to do anything because he's just a scared little dog kind of hiding in a corner.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um I really like that.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think Crane is enough, because like Chewy, I've never seen Chewie really in like an in like a bustling city before.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like Kashyyyk is pretty primitive, um and the rest of the time he's just on a pirate ship.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think he really has enough social skills to s to withstand getting help from inside a city, um or to really just stand like being in a city in alone in the first place.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I think uh Crane could definitely uh pull enough strings to to just gas the entire city.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_06: Well okay.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_06: Uh well James, your thoughts?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_06: So I really like Garrison's play here that that that crane takes over the city.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_06: That makes a lot of sense.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um I do I do think Chewbacca does have some social skills.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_06: I think I remember in one of the movies he makes a deal.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_06: He makes a deal with someone, and then Han Solo has to be like, oh, you made a deal without me.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_06: This isn't a good deal.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_06: And so I think he he is social and he can get around on alien planets.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but no matter what, like Chewy is a person who has suffered extreme loss, he's been trapped in a cage, revolutionary saw his friends die, uh, lost his best friend.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_06: Uh that is a prime target for the scarecrow.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_06: Even if even if they meet on a spaceship, the scarecrow still has the power to control his fears.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_06: And and Chewie has a lot of shit to fear and a lot of shit to deal with, and dogs aren't great at getting over their traumas historically.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's a good point.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_04: That's a good point.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so on my side, um, so I would say so.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: First, I I I see a lot of like as I know a bunch of different versions of Crane.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you had uh the Dark Knight run that was about 2016, where they turned uh the scarecrow into a uh a child abductor.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_04: And he would um he would experiment on children he abducted, it got super dark.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um and the and just the uh crane's ability to disappear into this city while still doing some real sick shit, I think is really going to affect Chewy.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: Some things I'd say about Chewy, however, um is so he spent time on Curusant.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is like during the Clone Wars, so he's the biggest friggin' city in the galaxy.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: When Chewy was like a pup.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: When he was like a little socialized, like we're not we're not looking at like old man Chewy.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_06: Gruff and dissociated.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: The only thing I might give Chewie um is that so in um Death Troopers by Joe Schreiber.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um thanks, Wikipedia, probably.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm here for you.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's on the bookshelf right behind you.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um but and that, so the whole thing is about it's an Imperial fleet that uh starts getting overrun by zombies.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_04: Super dark.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_04: Halfway through, who shows up?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: Han and Chewie.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_04: And Han and Chewie are confronted by a zombie apocalypse in space.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: They overcome their fears and they pull it out.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_04: But he doesn't have Han.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't have Han.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm ready then to bring it to last thoughts and a vote.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_04: Garrison, what are your last thoughts and what's your vote?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um Let's see.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of disappearing to the city, I think definitely there was also a present for that in the Arkham games, because Crane disappeared from Arkham Asylum to Arkham Knight.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm trying to think if there's any uh I I think maybe in Batman the Animated series, Crane may have done experiments on on animals.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to try to think of any kind of uh any time where Crane basically basically directly gasses the dog just to see what would happen as a comparison.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I can't think it's probably happened.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean you don't just start with the neighborhood children.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's usually uh you graduate.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: You graduate.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, at least that for me.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: The grants needed at the university you worked at to do this testing probably will have to do animal testing first.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they weren't giving him children.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: You're testing on my kid.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's a safe assumption, yeah.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of Chewy, yeah, I honestly I've I've never I've never cared about Chewy that much.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know people like him, but I'm always scared of dogs.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I'm a really I'm really allergic to dogs, and they just kind of freak me out.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um Chewy.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Chewy never really did it for me.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I mean and and it's I think Chewy's best ability is close range combat.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um because he can pull your arms off, and then kind of long range combat or medium range combat that he can that he that he has his like crossbow thing with.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um besides and I I think Crane is smart enough to stay at a distance where both basically both of those are not are not gonna be doable.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: Ums he's not a good fighter.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I I think Crane could pull this off.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: If it's just if it's just Chewy versus Crane in a city, I th I think I think Crane could I think Crane could uh could uh come away with this one.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_06: Alright.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_06: Uh James, thoughts on a boat.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_06: I agree.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_06: I think that no matter the environment, even if we give Chewy like the benefit of like a forest or or a a spaceship and you put and you put uh Scarecrow in that environment, I think he still has the power to get at Chewy's fears.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_06: He's a fucking dog.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_06: He's got a lot of fears, a lot of bad shits happened to him.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_04: Anywhere there's a ventilation shaft or just air.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_06: Any place that any place that Chewy needs to breathe, which is everywhere.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_04: And for my vote, um so I like I I I'm not I've never really I mean honestly, I have I have very strong feelings about like the new trilogies and uh all that kind of stuff.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, why did we do that?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: Why um I used to be a really big Star Wars fan.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um my thoughts were like, why didn't we go to the older public?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Or why why didn't why do we have to keep figuring out what Mark Hamill is up to?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_04: You know, um we're good.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_04: We're good.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um but because they were so stretched thin on material, that's when you start going into Chewie's earlier bio, in which you know he's a guerrilla warrior, mechanic, part-time general.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: He worked with like a um a Jedi Peace Corps for five minutes, and before he gets but every one of his stories ends with him getting kidnapped, eventually escaping bondage, and it all leads to him finding Han Solo after escaping bondage.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_06: So he's really used to being enslaved.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_06: That's interesting.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it's I think it's also important to note how Chewie dies in the uh EU, which I mean we we we we could talk about this next, I guess.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's let's let's actually save that for the next thing because that'll be interesting.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think that Chewie's main weakness is that he cannot help be captured.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think thematically that's kind of his whole bit.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: He does that in episode four, he does that in episode five, does he do it in episode six?
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, if you read any of his expanded literature or expanded comics, he gets captured and waits until the next cycle in which he's released.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_06: So I think he was captured in the Han Solo movie too.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and Han Solo rescued him.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_04: So I think what's gonna happen here, he's got like a stoogian style capture.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that Crane will capture him, and he now I'm going to experiment on giant man dogs.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: This is my new fetish.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_04: So my vote will also go for the scarecrow.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: So round two now goes for the scarecrow, putting both of our characters at a chance to take this, which brings us into round three.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_04: So round three now, these characters are still in that city view, but they have a friend.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: So guests first, Garrison, what do you think?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_04: Who are these characters bringing to it?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_04: What's gonna go down?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the obvious one for Chewy would be Han, but I think we've been talking about this as if this is a post-Hon Solo society.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but so we actually get him at his best.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'll let you know.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_06: We we get Chewy at his best whenever that best is.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_06: But now he gets Han Solo if he wants him.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_06: If that's what Chewy's best, he gets Han Solo.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: The Yoda thing is pretty off.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's just silly.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's just um, dumb.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um fan service for the face sake of fan service.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: I I think I think Han solo makes more thematic sense.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think that will off that will offer Chewie a better chance because Han can actually calm Chewie down.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um and they have more of like an emotional connection.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I think Han will will be better for this.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know who to pick for Crane, because Crane doesn't have any friends.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I have an idea.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_06: James, well let's hear your idea.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_06: What do you what'd you think?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_06: If you'd like to hear my idea, we I say Sinestro.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_06: Uh fear and fear.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_06: Scarecrow was a so he had a yellow ring.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_06: If if if yellow ring scarecrow is the best scarecrow in this situation, yeah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't think uh Han Solo has a bunch of shit to be sad about and fearful of too.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_06: He's he no matter where you go in his life.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_06: He's got some shit to fear, and he's always like his theme is he's always running away from his problems, and you can't run away from fucking Sinestro and Scarecrow.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well yeah, you think about that.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, then the only thing I would uh counter argue would be uh Tom Hardy's Bane.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_04: Tom Hardy's Bane specific specifically.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um because all of a sudden, out of fucking nowhere in that final dark night, yeah, he's leading like a tribunal.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: And like, wait, did Bane sign off on this?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I guess.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's really unclear.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's a lot of problem there's a lot of problems with the editing of that movie.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and a whole lot of it doesn't make any sense.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I think what it was was it was municipalism.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: And I think he just grabbed it was just municipalism.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_06: He had his own air, and he's like, I'm the judge over here.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: And they're like, okay, we can work together.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, are we sure that it was Scarecrow and not just Cillian Murphy?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because in the previous in my society, Cillian Murphy would definitely be the tribunal.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: Would also be a tribunal.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: Just Cillian Murphy.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_04: Alright.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so anyway.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, so then we have as as as funny as the Bane thing is, I I I I don't know.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't think you'd be right.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: What do we think?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so I mean Han, I think there's no one else we could do.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um but then for is it what do you think?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Should we do Sinestro or should we do um Bane?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: Sinestra, I say.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_06: I say I think these they're just gonna wipe the floor.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think Sinestro makes more sense from a thematic standpoint if we're gonna do go fear and fear.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um also it introduces more of like an intergalactic element, which also balances things out.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um it now makes sense.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_06: They they have the Millennium Falcon and they can try to blast Scarecrow and Sinestro, but they're fucking yellow lanterns, so it's not gonna do anything.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_06: Like they get all their big stuff.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but have a yellow lantern.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_06: Well, Garrison, what are your thoughts?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_06: What do you think?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: So like Han's so yeah, I I think Sinestro's the pairing.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um and like so essentially Han is Han's like a pirate smuggler, right?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and Chewie's a dog, and now we have a yellow one.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um pirate and his dog versus versus space gods.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: And and as we all know, Chewie dies in the U because a moon falls on him.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um so if basically if Crane can get Chewie into a place of like catatonic shock where Holland's having to console Chewie, and then Sinestra just drops a moon onto Gotham, I I don't know.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_07: We're gonna take care of that.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_06: I don't see how Chewie could win this one.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_06: I I think that I think that Scarecrow, especially with his yellow ring, is is a little too much for a man and his dog.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_06: You're totally right.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the only thing then that I would counter with, and the only chance that I think Han and Chewie had was that the new movies never happened.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because if we're just talking about a Han that we only ever saw at the end of the through Empire before Rey got involved and before all of them got involved, you're talking Han and Chewie, I think, would have pulled it off just by dumb luck.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_04: And then he would have gotten metal at the end, and they would have gotten a metal.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: However, we have now, I don't know why Disney felt we needed to see this.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_04: They suffered a lot, but now we have seen Han get stabbed by his own son and then just flung into a pit.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_06: That would be the fear.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_06: Like all of that entire scene was just Sinestro and Scarecrow fucking with Han Solo's mind.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and had it had it evented an empire, and we just decided that we've had enough.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_04: We saw the story, it was good, and we didn't need any more, but instead we watched Tan get stabbed in the stomach and thrown into a pit.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_04: He's lost his thematic invincibility now that he's old and decrepit.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think the uh the one one way that may make this a bit more of a fair fight is that I think we if if if we're gonna if we're gonna be giving um Scarecrow a yellow lantern ring, I think Han and Chewie deserve to be in the Falcon this this this entire fight.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um basically they've they like they have basically gotten to gotten in whatever city they're in, they are they are currently in their ship and they can take off, they can do whatever.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: Now, so a few things about the Falcon.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um The Falcon can fit in spaces where it's not supposed to fit.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um right, that that's kind of that's kind of its whole bit is that it can fly in areas where it really shouldn't be flying.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_05: So like through through downtown New York.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_06: We're shoving this up as ass, Chewy.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, that's on Fifth Avenue.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, alright, alright.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, they they're they they're definitely flying around in the Falcon.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not sure, yeah, and then I guess I'm I'm open for other ideas for what Sinestro and Crane are actually up to.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because in order to like in order to utilize Crane's like gas power, they'll need to find a way to gas the Falcon, which I'm not sure if they'll be able to really do that successfully, unless they are able to get inside.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_06: Um otherwise, you can blast you do fear with the yellow ring.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_06: You don't have he the crane doesn't have to get his gas in if he has a yellow ring.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_04: He's just I'm saying even if we don't give Crane a yellow ring, we just have Sinestro floating around.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_04: Sinestro can do it by himself.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um that that's my thought.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, I think then we got a lot of ideas out there.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um Garrison, last thoughts, and where's your vote?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I'm I'm kinda kind of torn here because I feel like I feel like we're really giving uh Crane a lot of a lot of credit here for helping to for having help of um Sinestro.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um because like honestly, like if you look if you if you look at the source text, Han and Chewy inside the Falcon is a pretty formidable foe.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um there is like not much of a trap, like they always get messed up, but they usually always kind of skirt by.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're like the Falcon's never been destroyed.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_06: Um That's true, the Falcon's never been destroyed.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um but they lose the damn thing.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: They do lose falcon.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think in order to make this work thematically, I definitely think they need to basically like they can't destroy the Falcon.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: What they have to do is they they have to like get to Han.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um and get and get Han either gassed or get Han to embrace his fear, and then he's basically gonna crash the Falcon or something that will create a vulnerability.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um because otherwise, otherwise, because the Falcon's basically it's it has so much plot armor that there's no way it can it can it can just be destroyed even by Yellow Lantern.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um But all things considered all things considered, I think the Sinestro and uh the Sinestro and uh Crane team up is just probably too much to overcome in any plot sense.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean as as much as as much as as much as plot armor as Han Solo and Chewbacca have, both of their bits is just always getting captured.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's just that's just that's just kind of what they do.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I I do think I my my vote is gonna be for Crane and Sinestro here, but it will be close with the Falcon.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: There'll be some high tense moments.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um it'll go up and down, but I I do think Sinestro and Crane can it can edge this one out.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_06: So that's one for Scarecrow.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um James, I like that the yellow rings cut through the the Falcon's plot armor.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_06: I like that a lot.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_06: Um I think that uh I think that what would happen is the Millennium Falcon would come up on him and it'd start she would start firing from that gun that comes out the bottom, you know?
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah you know, with the lasers.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_06: The laser gatley gun and uh and he starts firing at them, they're too hard to hit, or they use their god shields that come out of their hands, yeah.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_06: And uh and then they get close and they get the fear, the fear laser king because because Han still has to see out of the fucking ship, he has to have a windshield.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_06: So so that shines a late light in his eyes, he gets all freaked out.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_06: They get in the ship, and then that's it.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_06: Coast.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_06: Alright.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_06: The ship survives though.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_04: The ship survives.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, we need to show it needs to show up in the in the next trinity.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then on my side, then I would say um again, I'm gonna say that had it not been for the new movies, things would have turned out differently.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_06: Uh-huh.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_04: But you have you have Sinestro and Scarecrow who are who their entire theme and purpose is to create a challenge that lives up to the heroes that DC's trying to push.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_04: And that would have been great for Han and Chewie had were we talking The Empire Strikes Back or Yeah, four, five, six only.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um but now we've seen that Chewie, he's gonna get captured.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um Han, he's gonna see visions of his son, and he's gonna get stabbed in the belly.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um or even if that uh Sinestra will win the Falcon in a poker game.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, and then just because the way they're going with this, Shui's gonna be put in a cage in Crane's lab and he's gonna get caught, he's gonna be you know castrated, and they're gonna show it to us too, because that's the way that Disney decided to take it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um so my vote is gonna go to Scarecrow as well.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_04: So final points tallying it up.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: Round one went to Chewy, round two and three went to Scarecrow.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_04: Scarecrow has won.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's episode 210 right there.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_04: Scarecrow has won.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_04: Chewy's been defeated.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, he's in a cage capture now.
• 54:55
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• 54:58
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• 55:00
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• 55:07
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• 55:10
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• 55:12
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• 55:14
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• 55:18
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  SPEAKER_04: Um you can find my bookshop, uh, bookshop.org forward slash shop forward slash Ryan Barron North.
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  SPEAKER_04: Remember to buy your literature from independent bookstores.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't give Amazon any more your money, please.
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  SPEAKER_04: I beg you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: There's our show.
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  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_06: Thanks, Garrison.
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  SPEAKER_06: It means a lot.
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  SPEAKER_06: This was like dream fulfilled.
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  SPEAKER_06: Woo!