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Donald Trump _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _526(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: I have some tour dates to tell you about. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be in Las Vegas, Nevada over Labor Day weekend. If
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be there, then I will too. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be in Bend, Oregon, Spokane, Washington, Portland, Oregon, Vancouver in
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  Speaker 1: the Canada, Oklahoma City, North Little Rock, Springfield, Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: Sioux Falls, La Crosse, Green Bay, Moline, Lafayette, Louisiana and Beaumont, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: All tickets through TheoVaughn.com slash T-O-U-R. And thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for your support. I can't thank you enough. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my ninth grade civics teacher, Barbara Olinger, would be tickled.
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  Speaker 1: to know that one of her students is getting to
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  Speaker 1: sit down with a president today. So I just want
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  Speaker 1: to speak her name. She taught me to care about
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  Speaker 1: our country, and I still do. Today's guest is the
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  Speaker 1: 45th president of the United States of America, and he's
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  Speaker 1: currently running for president on the Republican ticket. He's been
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  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, a businessman, a television personality. We sat down
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  Speaker 1: at his club in Bedminster, New Jersey, and we want
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  Speaker 1: to thank the crew there for helping us make the
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  Speaker 1: production happen. He's one of the most famous people on earth,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for this chance to learn more about
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  Speaker 1: the man behind the headlines. Today's guest is Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Shine that light.
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  Speaker 1: On me I'll sit and tell you my story.
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  Speaker 3: And I will find a song I've been singing.
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  Speaker 2: But your thing is going really great. My son's a
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  Speaker 2: big fan of yours, Baron.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Baron is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He just graduated high school, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. He just did. He knows you very well.
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  Speaker 2: He said, Dad, he's big.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. You're a big one. That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it is nowadays, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's interesting. You know, yeah, I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: that we're able to get platforms. I started in my kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: and then, yeah, it just evolved out of there.
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  Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. Do you want to start?
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  Speaker 2: You go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good. Are we rolling? Yeah, sure. We're good? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: does Barron play sports or anything?
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  Speaker 2: He does. He plays golf and different sports, soccer. Loves soccer.
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  Speaker 2: Very good at soccer. He's a good athlete, Barron.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he going to go, has he already picked
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  Speaker 1: a college or no?
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  Speaker 2: He has, and he's getting set to go in the fall.
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  Speaker 2: Good college, a very good one. And he was always
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  Speaker 2: a very good student. He's smart, smart guy.
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  Speaker 1: Which one of, yeah, like which one of your kids, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's something you admire about each one of your sons?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Don is a hunter. He's a great, great hunter
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  Speaker 2: and knows everything about that world and guns and all.
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  Speaker 2: he was the first one that said, dad, boy, you
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  Speaker 2: got lucky because I didn't realize that 130 yards is
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  Speaker 2: actually very close in that parlance. And, uh, he said,
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  Speaker 2: you got lucky. He knew immediately when he saw that,
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  Speaker 2: he said, it's incredible because that's considered a pretty close distance.
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  Speaker 1: From how far the shooter was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah. I wasn't a bad shooter supposedly, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was a very disturbed guy, but he wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: bad shooter. And, uh, Eric, likewise, he loves the business.
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  Speaker 2: He loves real estate. Also very much of a hunter
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  Speaker 2: and understands a lot of things about that. They were
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  Speaker 2: sort of, as young guys they were with their grandfather,
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  Speaker 2: and he would take them hunting in Czechoslovakia. And somehow
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  Speaker 2: they developed very well.
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  Speaker 1: Czechoslovakia, damn.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of letters even.
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  Speaker 2: That's a long time. That's a name you don't hear
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  Speaker 2: too much anymore, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: I'd need a scope just to get through the spelling
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  Speaker 1: of that word.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, a lot of people, a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But so he'd go, they'd spend time in Europe and
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  Speaker 2: they'd do that. That's where he learned a lot about
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  Speaker 2: both of them. Really good.
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  Speaker 1: With your dad, they would go?
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  Speaker 2: No, grandfather. Actually, they had a grandfather who was a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful outdoorsman and athlete. And during the summer, he'd take
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  Speaker 2: them out into the woods and they'd go hunting and
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  Speaker 2: lots of things. And they loved it. They got to
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  Speaker 2: love it. And that's Don and that's Eric.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're funny.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They have a good sense of humor too. Like whenever
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  Speaker 1: I see them at UFC, it's like, yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: like the first time I was nervous, I think. And
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  Speaker 1: then after that, when I've seen them, it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: fun to kind of cut up with a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they're, they're good. They're good guys. And they,
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  Speaker 2: they really, they get along great with the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the family. We all get along great. We have a
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  Speaker 2: good family. And, but I love you. I see what
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  Speaker 2: you talk about. A great guy. How about Dana White?
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  Speaker 2: Good job he does, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to thank Dana, too, for helping get
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  Speaker 1: us set up together. Yeah, he makes it happen. I
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  Speaker 1: like Dana. He doesn't waste words. He doesn't waste time.
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  Speaker 1: He likes to, I think, be efficient, and he seems
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  Speaker 1: like a strong sense of integrity for himself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody like him, actually. You know, there's an expression
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  Speaker 2: that everybody is replaceable. Not Dana. Yeah. Nobody could do
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  Speaker 2: what he does. And he's made that sport into a
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  Speaker 2: big monster sport.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting. And we go there and we enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Go with him. Sometimes we do walk-ons with Dana and
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  Speaker 2: place sort of likes it. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've been there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was in behind you in one, um, one video.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the dogs here will pull it up. Um, But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are some of my favorite things ever. UFC became
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  Speaker 1: my favorite sport during the pandemic because Dana was brave
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  Speaker 1: enough to stay open. He was it.
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  Speaker 2: He was the whole ballgame. He was the only sport.
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  Speaker 2: And he'd open up in arenas with nothing other than
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  Speaker 2: very good fighters. Yeah. And they would be fighting. He
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  Speaker 2: had some of the best fights during the pandemic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was exceptional. There it is right there.
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  Speaker 3: See, look.
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  Speaker 1: There you are, and I'm right behind you there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the white guy in the hat.
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  Speaker 2: That's great. That's right. The white guy in the hat
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  Speaker 2: is right. That's great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of us there, but I
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  Speaker 1: was one of them for sure. Um, yeah, see, that's
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  Speaker 1: me right there.
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  Speaker 2: Good sport, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Dustin Poirier fan.
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  Speaker 2: So he's great. He was a boy. I tell you,
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  Speaker 2: he's a warrior. That last fight he had, whether you
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  Speaker 2: like it or not, he is a warrior.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It felt like he didn't get the, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: get the victory, but it didn't feel like he lost.
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  Speaker 2: No, he didn't lose that fight. He, he really, the
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  Speaker 2: man he was fighting was tough. He was tough and
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  Speaker 2: didn't expect that same fight, but, He oftentimes will, he
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  Speaker 2: makes people suffer. There's no question about it. No, he's all,
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  Speaker 2: he's all, he's a pro. He's a professional.
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  Speaker 1: He's all heart. He's from Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: That's where I'm from. As that fight went along, he
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  Speaker 2: just got stronger and stronger and he was getting pounded
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  Speaker 2: and he was going to be choked out about four
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  Speaker 2: different times and he just wouldn't let it happen. No,
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  Speaker 2: you say hello to him. He's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll make sure to.
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  Speaker 2: He's a really great fighter.
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  Speaker 1: And he cooks Thanksgiving dinner every year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Maybe I'll have to go sometime.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He must do good food.
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  Speaker 1: He does, yeah. He does some good stuff over there.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the first fight that you ever went to,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was UFC or boxing or anything?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. It was Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali in
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  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that was the first fight I went to. I was
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  Speaker 2: like the boxing.
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  Speaker 1: How old were you, remember?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy, I don't know. You can deduct it from
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  Speaker 2: what I am now, but it was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated.
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  Speaker 2: Muhammad became a friend of mine. So did Joe, Jolton Joe.
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  Speaker 2: They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I
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  Speaker 2: think they had like many heart attacks that night, literally
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  Speaker 2: heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two
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  Speaker 2: undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC
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  Speaker 2: and there was no competition really. It was it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so you had two guys. I remember that Muhammad
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  Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things.
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  Speaker 2: And he was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very different.
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  Speaker 1: And they finally made it happen. They finally made that
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  Speaker 1: bout happen.
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  Speaker 2: And they made it happen. They had two undefeated heavyweight
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  Speaker 2: champions fighting.
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  Speaker 1: And who took you to the fight? You remember?
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  Speaker 2: I went with my father and my brother, Robert. And
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  Speaker 2: it was just, I don't know. I must have been
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  Speaker 2: very young. It was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But you would never forget it. That was one of
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  Speaker 2: those moments. Oh, yeah. But literally, there were like many
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  Speaker 2: heart attacks in the arena.
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  Speaker 1: Did people have too much fun? Or what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: It was drugs? No, they were just having heart attacks
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  Speaker 2: because it was such a crazy thing. Oh, yeah. It
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  Speaker 2: was so, the people were just, I know a friend
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  Speaker 2: of mine, the father, he went, he had a bad
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  Speaker 2: heart attack. Literally, they took him out. They were taking
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  Speaker 2: people out. That's an early KO. And I don't hear
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  Speaker 2: that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting events.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's ever been, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: guess there has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali,
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  Speaker 2: their first fight. But it was a very exciting time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just people being, I guess, yeah, sometimes our
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  Speaker 1: systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's
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  Speaker 1: going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 1: people just couldn't even handle so much joy. Like, you
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  Speaker 1: think it was that people were just so excited.
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  Speaker 2: They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had, I
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  Speaker 2: guess they do at maybe Super Bowls or something.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, people have heart attacks eating a thick soup, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome
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  Speaker 1: like that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens. just that one but we had
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  Speaker 2: an exciting event the other night with Elon Elon Musk
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  Speaker 2: and me I listened we had a pretty big audience
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  Speaker 2: for that one I.
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  Speaker 1: Can tell you yeah I listened for probably about like
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes I thought it was cool it was I
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  Speaker 1: think the tough part was just like the just like
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  Speaker 1: it would have been neat if you guys could have
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  Speaker 1: been in the same spot you know but I.
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  Speaker 2: Still thought it was exceptional. I heard the audio was great.
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  Speaker 2: And actually they put out a clear tape of it
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  Speaker 2: cause they had clear tape.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 2: They had so many millions and millions of people watching
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  Speaker 2: like record numbers of people. And I'm trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out we're on a cell phone or I was, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's a lot of people coming into a
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  Speaker 2: cell phone one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I heard some people had a problem with the audio.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't do that thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that was done. And, and, uh, We had a great conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It was for two hours and 15 minutes. They just
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  Speaker 2: put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape
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  Speaker 2: of it. But I sounded, I think I sounded, somebody
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  Speaker 2: said your voice was distorted or something. And, and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing,
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  Speaker 2: such a big audience, but I would have, I would
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  Speaker 2: have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They
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  Speaker 2: put it out right after the show. So now it's
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  Speaker 2: a clear tape where a perfect tape done there. But
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  Speaker 2: when it goes through different phone systems and everything else,
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  Speaker 2: you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think his voice was more clear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because he was the one who was like
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  Speaker 1: initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: about how all that works. But yeah, I know that
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  Speaker 1: in post, a lot of times they can tighten things
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  Speaker 1: up and make it better, you know? Yeah, it's amazing
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  Speaker 1: how Elon, like the cost to really have your own
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  Speaker 1: voice in the world is $ 44 billion, basically.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to have your voice, like, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? He has his own, like he has
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  Speaker 1: his own channel.
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  Speaker 2: And he does what he wants to do. And he's
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  Speaker 2: a fantastic guy. And he's a brilliant person. And the
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  Speaker 2: country should be very proud of him, actually. I have Truth,
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  Speaker 2: which has been very successful.
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  Speaker 1: Truth Social, you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Truth Social, yeah. And that's been very successful in getting
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  Speaker 2: my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram. I
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  Speaker 2: was on all of it. I was on Facebook. And
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  Speaker 2: when you added it up, I had, I, I was
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  Speaker 2: told by Zuckerberg and others, it was like record setting
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  Speaker 2: type of numbers. And then one day I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled.
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  Speaker 1: This is a collusion there, right?
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so
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  Speaker 2: I had nothing. So after about a month, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of things to say. And after
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  Speaker 2: about a month, I said, you know what I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do? I'm going to just go out and put
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  Speaker 2: out an old public relations statement. You, you remember that? And,
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  Speaker 2: although you're a little young to say it, but in
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  Speaker 2: the old days you'd put out a statement. And I did,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up,
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  Speaker 2: and I opened Truth, and Truth has become terrific, actually,
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 1: Good platform.
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  Speaker 2: I really want just as a platform. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: more important than anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at least you have your voice then. You can
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  Speaker 1: say what you want to say.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it gave me my voice back, yeah. I had
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of people. Even now, I haven't been
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  Speaker 2: too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90-some-odd
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  Speaker 2: million people on it. And, but I was much higher
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  Speaker 2: than that when I was actually all.
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  Speaker 1: The people, I don't know how many people there are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's been, but I love the job
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  Speaker 2: he's done and he's brought a certain voice back into,
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  Speaker 2: into play. Yeah. The previous people were terrible, terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged.
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  Speaker 2: Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like, um, when
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  Speaker 1: you have a babysitter and they don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: any fun or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That's kind of the vibe I got when you, um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I see you at the fights. I see you sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: You'll sit right by Dana. And sometimes I'll sit, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like me. I'll go with, like, David Spade sometimes. He's
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  Speaker 1: a close friend of mine.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: And, yeah, I'll see you coming with Kid Rock. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you don't drink at the fights.
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  Speaker 2: No, Kid Rock is terrific. He came to the convention.
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  Speaker 2: He knocked everybody out. He was amazing. and he's a
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  Speaker 2: great guy he's just a great guy he's he's popular
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  Speaker 2: very popular.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he's so he's definitely he's a real dirt serpent
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  Speaker 1: too dude he's a freaking legend you know he's he's
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  Speaker 1: a legend he is a legend i guess in a
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  Speaker 1: true sense oh 100 people love him dude look at
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  Speaker 1: him i went to his show not long ago somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and um people i think some guy had a heart
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  Speaker 1: attack there too but it was like It was more
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  Speaker 1: funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes.
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  Speaker 2: He draws big crowds, actually. It's amazing. I saw one,
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  Speaker 2: he was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but he's really, forget about that. I call him Bob,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Bob, right? It's Bob. Kid Rock, but it's Bob.
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  Speaker 2: But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I live in Nashville. Right when I got
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  Speaker 1: into town, he... Yeah, he hit me up one night
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  Speaker 1: and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: this weekend. You should come. And I didn't even know him.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: And it was nice of him. And since then, we've
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: done a lot of fun stuff together. His brother's missing
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: a leg, too, which is crazy. He looks like the lamp.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that movie, The Lamp, from like
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: a Christmas story or whatever?
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. But he's fantastic. The family, the father,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I knew very well. He just passed away. And it
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: was tough for him.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you knew his dad.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I did. And he was fantastic. I got to know
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: him through knowing Bob. And I tell you what, it's
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: just a fantastic family, the whole family.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: at his brother right there.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: That's right. And you know what? He plays golf and
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: he plays well. He hit a perfect drive with me.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I said, do you play? We were in the 17th hole.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really?
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And he got up. Well, it was very hard for
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: him to put the, I mean, it was really a
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: tough situation because he has to get the ball in
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it for him. And he did it. I mean, he
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: goes to the ground and he did it. Gets up.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: He swung. And I'm a good golfer. He had a
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: perfect shot out to the right with a little hook.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows what that means in your audience probably, but
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: that's like a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: it again. Cause you'll never be able to hit a
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's a,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: he's great. And, and, and Bob really.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Do it again. Yeah. They really have an amazing family.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Bob was great. I've been to parties at his house.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: You know, one thing that's really nice about him is
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'll go do something with him. And then like a
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: few days later, he'll send a nice note or he'll
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: send like a photo, like a frame photo and just say,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Hey man, I had a nice time.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Um, Yeah, yeah, I noticed at the events, you don't drink,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and you don't drink or smoke, right?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I don't drink or smoke.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: You never have.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: No, I never have. I had a great brother who
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: taught me a lesson, don't drink, don't drink. And he said,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: don't smoke. He smoked and he drank, and he was
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Is he older? He was older?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Older, quite a bit older, yeah. And he had a
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: problem with alcohol and smoked a lot, but I tell people,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: no drugs, no drinking. No cigarettes. Yeah. I tell that
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to my kids all the time. I'd say no drugs,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: no drinking, no smoking. And, um, he had, well, he'd
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: always tell me, he'd say never. So he was, uh,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you know, really old enough that you would look up
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Did you admire him?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I admired a lot, so much about him. He
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: had so much going, had to look, uh, he had
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: an unbelievable personality, like a, an incredible personality.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: What was his name, Donald?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: His name was Fred, Fred Trump. And he had a
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to get off of. I've, I don't know if you've
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: ever heard that. I was in recovery.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Actually, I've been in, I've been in recovery. So like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: most of the last 10 years from alcohol, from drugs
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and alcohol, which, which is worse for me. Drugs is
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the problem. But if I have a drink, then I,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: it's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: It sets off a chain.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But is, which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is harder to quit than drugs. If that makes sense.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean, I can only imagine cause it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: probably more readily available.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: everyone's drinking and all. Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Really? Do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Xanax is or something, you know, for appetizers.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Usually people are having like a mint, you know, a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: mint julep or something a little fancier Negroni. I just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: learned about.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Um, But yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So you have a problem with that then? Yeah. Oh, wow.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It's been in my family. My family, it's like, yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Can you stay away from it? Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I've done a good job.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So how long have you been off?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I go to recovery meetings. I've been off most recently,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a little over two years.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Do you ever go back on?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had stints where I go back on. And
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you don't control it? It goes downhill pretty quick. No kidding.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So you think it's going to be easy. You think
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: you're controlling it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And then you're damn.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: You're doing the go-kart and racing with hookers and stuff.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It gets bad.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It's not to do it. Right.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Right. So then in the end, you're like, I have
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to not do it. Did you see like with your brother?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Did you, could you see it or anything?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man. I was amazed because he, he had
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: so much going at everything going. I think he probably,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it happened in college at a fraternity maybe, or I
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, somewhere along the line that happened. And, All
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, this is not unique. This
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: is a very common story, unfortunately. But, and then the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: family would see it and start to notice it. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: it didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of, I was amazed that his
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: body could hold out. It held out and it had
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: bad moments. And, but his body was unbelievably strong that
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it could, that it could withstand this.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a body. Why is it so resilient? Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the last time that you saw him
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: or spent with him?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And, uh, I'm sorry to ask you about it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: is it might help other people. If it helps one
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: other person, it's worth the conversation.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: We talk about that stuff a lot on our, on
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: our podcast.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: A lot of our audience, uh, struggles or has struggled with, um, alcoholism, addiction,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like a, it's pretty kind of normal conversation, but, um.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You know, the interesting thing is, and I tell people,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: so I never had a cigarette and I've never had
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a glass of alcohol. And my brother was incredible. He
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: would tell me cause he knew he had a problem
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and it'd say, don't ever drink, don't ever smoke. He'd
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: always add smoking because he did smoke a lot, which
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: is not very healthy, but, he'd say, don't ever drink,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: don't ever drink. Cause he knew he had this addiction
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: did I have a glass of alcohol because of him.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And I would say that if I did drink, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: could conceivably be the type of personality that would have,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: like you, that would have a problem. But I'd never had.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And the only thing I say to people is if
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: too late for the people that you're talking about, but
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: If you don't drink, you don't miss it. I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I don't even think about alcohol or anything.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's not a part of your world.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of that. If you don't take drugs or if you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I had a friend who went to the Wharton School
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Where is it, Wharton School?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: That's in Philadelphia. That's at Penn. Oh, yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Rocky.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And it's part of the University of Pennsylvania, the business school.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's nice down there.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: My friend's brother went there or something.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: We ate near there once. Then he was smart because
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: it's a great school. But this person that I met,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: he hated the taste of scotch. Hated it. Couldn't stand it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: but he insisted on having it because he wanted, he
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: just don't drink. He said, you know, to be successful
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in business, you have to sort of interact and you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant like one of the best.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, he,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but he hated the taste of scotch and he still didn't,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: he couldn't live without it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. Literally. Well, I think I noticed a lot of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like in the recovery rooms and stuff, it's a lot
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of people that have, they're missing something inside of them.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And so they, they take on like, you know, they
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: want to try and fill it up with something else.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the last time that you spent with
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: your brother?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: very sick. And we thought we'd lose him or we
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: lost him. Then he'd get better. And that happened five
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: or six times. I mean, when you thought you lost him,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And then he got better and it was amazing. I mean,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he was, you know, certain way, very strong in that sense.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And I just tell people it's, it's so tragic. Don't drink,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: just don't drink. Yeah. And you're not going to have
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a problem. Like even you, if you didn't drink, you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: would never, but you probably, maybe you wouldn't be successful
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: like you are, you know, it's part of your, your story.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It's helped me a lot. Yeah, because I don't know
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what would happen probably. I think it's just too risky.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It is risky. What's something that you miss about him? Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: like what's something that you miss about him, Fred?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of it. He's got this problem, and it was very
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: important for him to convey to me not to have
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this problem. And I couldn't have been successful if I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: had that problem. If I had that problem, and I
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: had the problem if I drank alcohol. But if you
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't miss when I see somebody light up a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's very Native American.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: they kind of like they take the speed bumps for us,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like as younger brothers, so that we don't have to.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm talking about?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: My brother went through a lot of stuff so that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to go through it. And then I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: get to see him and learn.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Is he okay now?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's doing great now.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: He's doing great now, but it's just, it's like, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that's one of the blessings I think of having an
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: older brother.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Well, you can learn through history too, whether, even if
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: it's not a brother, it's by watching other people. I mean,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you can see if you have a friend who's an
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: alcoholic or even just by reading about people, you can learn.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: this case it was very personal. It was a brother. And, uh,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I learned not to drink and I learned not to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes. Now I don't know that I would have
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: smoked cigarettes. I probably would have drank. I think, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: there's no reason not to drink, but I had a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: reason because he told me, you know, just don't do it. Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That was kind of a blessing then, huh?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And where did you, did they, did you guys ever
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: have with him?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, sweet.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And he loved it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Did you ever fly with him?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I did. I flew with him. He was a great
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: pilot and a very talented. Other pilots would come to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: his house to, study with him and he was really
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: talented at that, but ultimately he had to give that
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: because of the alcohol. He had to give that up,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: which was a hard thing for him to do, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he had to give that up.
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• 28:02
  Speaker 2: those days, it wasn't drugs. It wasn't like, don't drink,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: don't take drugs. I don't think drugs, I don't even know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: were there even a factor. They happened a pretty long
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: time ago. But I think in those days, I don't think,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: were drugs a factor? You go back 25 years ago.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Not like it is now.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly not like now.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that actually takes me into something else I
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about. Alcoholism and addiction is something that's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: really bad. ramped up even like you're saying, like in
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the past 20, 30 years in our country. Right. Um,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and during the opioid epidemic, um, they estimate that like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: almost 600,000 people died and that doesn't even include the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: broken hearts and the deaths of families and, um, circles
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of trust, all, you know, just people that lost a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: brother doesn't even include the actual, the siblings, you know?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And so the ripple effect of that is huge. Um, and,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and there's that, there's that Sackler family that pretty much
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: got away with it. You know, they had a financial
• 28:58
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• 29:00
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• 29:05
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• 29:09
  Speaker 1: are things that you can do, um, to help curtail
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that when you get into office?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So, well, we did a great job.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: We had to make sense or not.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It does make sense. And we had, uh, Committees, blue
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the big problem we have is, you know, fentanyl is
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: probably the biggest. Opioid is bad. Opioid is bad, too. Yeah,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's bad because everyone thinks, you know, in
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: many cases they think they're going to do away with pain.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And literally the time is so short. If you take
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it for like two weeks, you're almost addicted to it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's incredible when you think.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, the whole, yeah, all of that is horrible. But
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: why do we allow that time?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: How did you get addicted?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: No, I would just do cocaine. That was really, yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: So not just, yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: That's down and dirty, right? Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And this is, yeah, this, I mean, it was, yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: But you don't anymore?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Is it too much? Too much to handle?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Some of the stuff started to get a real rattle
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in it too. I don't know where we were even
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: getting it from in this country, but yeah, it started
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: So the thing you go back to then is alcohol
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: for the most part.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, but what I want probably is cocaine, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I know that if I have a drink, then it'll
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: give me, it'll be like, okay, well, I had a drink,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: then I can do this.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Is cocaine a stronger up?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you can think of.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You'll be out on your own porch.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: You'll be your own street lamp. You're freaking... And is
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that a good feeling?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a miserable feeling.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: But you do it anyway, just like the guy you're
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: saying with the scotch, like you did, you didn't, you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: knew it was bad, but you.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Still, it's not even good during what would be normally
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the good time. In other words. Oh, well, so why
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: would you do it?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. That's why I don't.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: But it's crazy because that's what alcoholism is. I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it's that it trumps the why it like it doesn't.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And it just, you don't, And you just go to it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So that's why they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: That's what they say about alcoholism. And it is.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Which is a bigger problem in our country, would you say?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Opioids.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Bigger than alcohol?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. I think that's one of the biggest problems.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And compare that to fentanyl?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: fake opioids because they can't afford real ones or they're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: just getting them off the street and then they put
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: fentanyl in them. Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Fentanyl's like laced into everything now. It's horrible.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It's horrible.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They found some in a baby rattle somewhere. I think,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I don't even know where that was. But one of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the things I was wanting to ask you about was like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: so there's like the big pharma lobbyists, like there's 1800
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. Right. There's only 535
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: total representatives or senators total. So, just the fact that
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: how do we stop them? And it just seems like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's obviously killing people. Like people are dying, you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it's like, what do we have to do that our
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: own government won't help us?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I was not a big person for lobbyists. And if
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: they have even a little access to like a president
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: or a Senator or a Congressman or woman.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: They're snakes.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: They get a lot of money.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And in some cases, they just take the money. They
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: don't do anything. But you have a lot of lobbyists
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in Washington pushing, and certainly a lot for all of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the things that we're talking about.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Including alcohol. The lobbyists are winning, it feels like.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money, absolutely.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? How
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: do we stop that?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Well, one way you could stop it is to say,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: if you're going to go into government, you can never
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: be a lobbyist. in many cases they have rules and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: five years, whatever.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: You could say that if you're an elected official or
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You have people that work in government and they give
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: out contracts to the military and And then they leave
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and they work for the people that they're giving out
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: contracts to.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to work for them so they could loophole the laws.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But can we outlaw lobbyists or we can't do that? Well.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: There's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: make somebody never, ever go into the business? If you
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: work for government, and especially if you're giving out contracts,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: in other words, you're a powerful person within some industry,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the Navy, the Army, any, you know, anything. It could
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: be military procurement, et cetera. There's a whole thing like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: there's a whole question as to you give out a
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: contract and then all of a sudden you're working for
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the person you gave out the contract to or the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: company that you gave out the contract to.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Right, it's like you're playing both sides of the net.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's obviously a problem, and it's a big problem,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and we were doing things about it, but then we
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: had to get down to other business. We had to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: solve some, we had a lot of problems with this country.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of problems.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: would say. What do you think?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the people like me.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the people.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: We're leading now in all the polls. We're leading, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: highly regarded poll, and we're leading by five points. Rasmussen poll.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And others also. And we're doing well. But I think
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the people like me a lot.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: No doubt. So we won in 2016. And then we
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: millions more votes.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? What
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: is it that they are so afraid of?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: In some cases, the things we're talking about right now.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: They want to sell product that I'm not interested in.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: They want to have certain boats and certain chips and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: certain planes and certain everything bought. Pharma is another one that's,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you know, interesting.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Or do they push back against you, you think?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: pretty obvious that they do. In one way, that's a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: positive thing politically, because when you can show that they
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: push back, the voters seem to like it. But we
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: people that want to see me come back and win
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: because we had a great time. We had the greatest
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: economy in history.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: When I was president, we had the best job numbers.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: African-American, Hispanic-American, if you look, Asian-American job numbers, women, men, everybody.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: We did a lot of good things. We cut taxes
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: which created jobs. We had a great period of And
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I think the people want it back based on what
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing that people want it back.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: on and interesting.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And I know that's very interesting.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: healthcare system is against the American people because hospitals and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of us. And literally they can charge whatever they want.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I'll pay. You trust the hospital, but then you get
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: That's what it seems like to me. But you had
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices, right? So
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that people would be able to know, okay, if an
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: MRI costs $ 600 here, and it's $ 5, 000 there, then I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: can go here and save myself money. But that hasn't
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: even been enforced.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Biden got away with it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Hospitals and insurance companies, they're still not showing their prices.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: They hated it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Of course they did.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And because it would have made it very competitive. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Biden let it go. He never enforced it. And to
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: get that approved was a big deal. And that would
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: have brought down the price of, you know.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, so many things.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Not only, you know, just care, right? care, physical care,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: mental care that would have brought down the cost of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: care by 50, 60%. And Biden and Kamala didn't press it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: It was a big thing to get it, but I'll
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: be pressing it. And because I'll be pressing it. Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And because I'll be pressing it, there are some people
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: for money reasons.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Those people can go to hell, dude. That's insane.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they're bad people.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: America is medical debt. I mean, it's, that's crazy. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't even think I made that up either.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: No, it's, when you think of it, at first when
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: about it, I'm saying, it's really not a wow. It's,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I understand it. Yeah. Tremendous lobby, tremendous, powerful lobby.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because, I mean, think about what else is
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: going to put you in medical, like, in that much
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of a debt. It's like, I think that's, I believe
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that that's accurate. Who's behind the health care insurance, that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: whole thing? Like, who's behind it all? It feels like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: there somewhere.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: he's one of the people that keeps the prices high.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: The people on the other side, yeah, and him and
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: plenty of other people, a lot of people. It's a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: very powerful lobby.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: You know the most powerful lobby?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: The lawyer lobby. And that feeds into that also. You know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: it all feeds into it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, just so I understand, Donald, sorry. So
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that lobby is a very powerful one.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But why do those people want people to suffer, though?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Just so they can make money?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: It's really has to do with money.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. How much money do they need?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: This is terrible. And then they eventually say, well, but.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Can we just as a country say, Hey, how much, okay,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you need $ 3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off. Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: We want to be healthy.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Like, can't we make a deal with those people?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They're very tough to deal with. And they've been taken
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: care of by drug companies and others for years. You know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you have politicians that have been for years being taken
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: care of by people that make a lot of money
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and they want to keep making a lot of money.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And it is, I mean, in that case, it's not
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a power thing. It's a money thing. Yeah. A lot
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: of money.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Um, what are some of the other lobbies that are
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: out there that we don't even know about?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Well, the most powerful lobby is, uh, the lawyer lobby.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: sometimes really to the detriment of everybody. But, The most
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: But they have, that's why if you wanted to get
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: in this country is out of control, loser pays. What
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: you do is you go loser pays. In other words,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for the
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: other side, has to pay back all the money the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: other side spent.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: You think that would solve it?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of, of
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the litigation. We are a very litigious country.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's on, everything's under, it's all bureaucratic. It's all, it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: lot of it, but the lawyers are opposed to it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: It will, it probably will not happen no matter what,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: because obviously the lawyers want to, can you.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Do, what would have to happen? The Supreme court would
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: have to vote on something to make it happen.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that maybe would have to
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: go before the Supreme court, but, The most powerful lobby
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of places have it in different countries where
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: have to pay the costs of the other side.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, I think.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it in this country. It's too bad.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's just pretty heartbreaking, I feel like. There
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: was a rumor that you almost had RFK Jr. as
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a potential vice president.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: No. Okay.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Just a rumor.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I like him. I've always liked him.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him, too. Bobby and I are friends.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine. I've known him for years.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: He's a good man. Yeah. He's in there pitching. It's tough.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: It's a two-party system, and he's a third party. It's
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: a tough thing. He can't get. registered now in New York.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I see New York and the Democrats have really opposed
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Well, the laws don't allow that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, they don't allow you to debate. You
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: You can't add the debates are very important. I mean,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I had a debate with Joe Biden.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And that was a very meaningful, that was a very
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: consequential debate. to put it mildly.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they, they, they, uh, they took the hand
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: out of the puppet after that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they wanted to debate. They gave me everything that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't want CNN. And then they gave me a
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now remember this, they were
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: very straight during that debate. I, I have read, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: gained a certain respect because, uh, Jake Tapper, who I
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: call fake Tapper, but I don't do that. I don't
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: do that so much anymore. You did. Uh, but, I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: thought they were very even handed. If you want to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: know the truth during the debate.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like they, I didn't feel like they pushed.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: A lot of certain pressure on them to be even handed.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's hard to not do that, but they
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: were very even handed. And, uh, it was a great debate,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: but a very important debate.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, Oh,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Biden's fine. And America for like, 18 months like my
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: dad was really old when I was born my dad
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: was 70 when I was born right so I don't
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: like seeing senior citizens get take advantage of right I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: felt like that happened a lot when I was a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: kid and so I think for me it reflected on
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: me like it made me really angry because I was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: like I know this guy's not well it's not fair
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to pretend that he's well yeah it's not fair to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: him because he doesn't know you're pretending you know and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: thing that we know is not real. Our media is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: just saying this is real. And we're like, we're just
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: being gaslit as humans about something that's like moral. Like
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: this is a human man. This is somebody's grandfather. And then.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: they just disappear. He just disappears. And suddenly it's like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it was a coup. Kamala is the, is the one
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that went in. What do you think happened in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight. That happened.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: telling him to get out or they, they threatened him.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: But who were they? Angry person.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi, and numerous other people,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the heads of the Democrat party. And they did, they
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: threatened him violently, I think, and he didn't want to
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: get out. Remember, he said, only God will get me out, right?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Only God will get me.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Somebody dressed up like God and just chased him out
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of there.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what happened is they went to him and
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: they said, this was after the debate. Now, if he
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: didn't have the debate, he would still be running. So
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: they set him up. They knew they were going to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: pull him. That I don't know. I mean, He had
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I heard they offered me things that I would never accept,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and I accepted them. They said CNN. They said Jake Tapper,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Dana Bash. They said all things that I could not take,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and I accepted all of them. And, you know, look,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: good debate for him. I think he'd still be running
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: she was a failed vice president. She was the most, um,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: she was considered the worst vice president in the history
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: of our country. She had no chance. You know, if
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: she was and they wanted to choose from 11 different people.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Do you feel, I thought that's what they were going
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to have.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, you thought that's where the, well, that would have
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: seemed more democratic.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: They were, they were, uh, they wanted to be politically
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: correct and they chose her.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like it would have seemed more, but dude,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I got so angry when they sidetracked Bernie a few
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: years ago or that wasn't fair.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: It just happened to Bernie twice. Yeah. You got to
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: think about it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: 2016 and 22.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: He just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: whatever you think, it's just like, we have to be
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: able to believe.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: You like Bernie. Is he, are you friends with him
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: or something?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'd met him the other day.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I like the first time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It was the first time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Were you impressed by him? I, yeah. One thing he's,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: he's still sharp, right?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's still sharp.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: He doesn't suffer from what Biden did.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Mental dullness. Yeah. Right. Mentally gone.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: He's, you know, he's somebody put a merry-go-round in his head.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I heard, but that's, you know, but they didn't plug
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: it in. They didn't tell him.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: But no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of the things is, is the healthcare. I just feel
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like we spend so much money in different places and,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic. I just
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: feel like, and the lower cost of drugs, those are
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: things that I.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And did, because I got insulin down, and they took
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: credit for it. But I got it down to $ 35.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And I said, I hope I win because somebody's going
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to take credit. It takes a period of time before
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: it kicks in, statutorily. And I got it down to $ 35,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: which is a very low price. And they took credit
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: because I'm talking to you, you know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if you did it, then you should be
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: able to take credit for it.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I just watched her performance today. So she went out and.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Who, Kamala?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she lied about everything. She said, this Trump tax,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that Trump tax, that Trump tax. He's going to tax this.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: He's going to tax all these different things. And I'm
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: not going to tax them. She made it up.
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  Speaker 2: Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: made up a series of lots of different taxes that
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Your taxes are going to go up by four times.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of months pretty soon. She has to be able to
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: tell you what, if she's the worst vice president ever,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: he's the worst president ever, a deadly combination. And we
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: have a country where the borders are bad. where the
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: are happening. And she has no clue. And you know
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: what I say about her? Why don't you do it?
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: three and a half years. Why don't you do it?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is say, why don't you
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: do it? Why didn't you fix it? You could fix
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And she won't talk to you, and she won't talk
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to anybody. She won't be interviewed.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: She's welcome to come on. I would love to get
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to talk to her.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: her exciting.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: You think?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: which is crazy.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: That's about it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to wrap it up soon.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, Donald. Sorry.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: two Border Patrol agents that came on in the past
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: two years, right? Because we wanted to learn about it
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: from people that are there on the ground. And one
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: of the things that we found out was a lot
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: of times they keep arresting the same people because the
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. That's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems they were saying. What can
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: we do differently to make things safe at the border?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: It's the fact that a family can't, a father can't...
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you know, can't sleep at night because he doesn't know
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: who's going through his yard or going through it. It's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: just not fair. It's not what you sign up for
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: when you're an American. What are you going to do differently?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: So the borders, well, I did it. We had the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: best border.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, the wall, they should have kept it. I agree.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: We had the wall built. We had more going to
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: of miles of wall and it worked. Walls work, you know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: walls work. And wheels.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I say it all the time. Two things that never
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: get obsolete. Wheels and walls. Well, they also supplied infrastructure.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: People don't understand the wall also was a place where
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Border Patrol agents could go to get water, to get food,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to rest. It provided like a shelter out there as well.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It worked.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: They're in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: The two that I've spoken to said it worked.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: And I was going to do 200 miles of wall.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: We had it built to the specs, specifications of the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Border Patrol. We were going to put it up. And
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: it would take three weeks to put it up. That's
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you know, when you make the wall, then all of
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: a sudden they suck them in through other areas. We
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: had it wired, and they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them. Sick.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: We have over 20 million people, in my opinion, right
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: now that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries now,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: their crime rate is way down because they're sending all
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: their criminals to us?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's a party.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's horrible.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the worst border czar in the history of the world.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: She's a roller skater. That's what somebody told me the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: other day.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: She's terrible.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But what are you going to do? What's going to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: happen with the border when you're back?
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to seal the border. And I had it
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: very well sealed. We had the most successful border in
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the history of our country. We're going to seal the border.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: because they didn't do it. And we're going to have
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: an unbelievable border. And we're going to spend a lot
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: of time getting the criminals out. Look, we have murderers
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: in our country.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think people should be allowed to be
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: in our country if they're criminals.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: that we have a lot of people Hundreds of thousands
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: of murderers. We have people, drug dealers, talking about drugs.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And they are in our country right now. And the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: country that brought them out said, if you ever come back,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: kill you.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Well, in Brooklyn alone, there's a huge building that is
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: housing just Haitian people. They're just housing this wandering around
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn all the time, my friends are telling me.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: They have some rough people too, really rough people.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: So if you get reelected to the border, you're going
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to continue that project? We're going to make sure it's safe?
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: We had the safest border and the best border in
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: the history of our country. And now... It's a disaster.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Biden, somebody invited Biden to the border and they said
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: he went to a borders books, dude.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, they invited her and she
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: she's a disaster. She's, she is the worst vice president
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: is the worst administration in the history of our country.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: She's a part of it. And she won't do an interview.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: She would never do an interview like this. She won't
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I want to learn more about her.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you should ask her to come on.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Um tell baron i said thanks man yeah he's a
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: big fan i hope to get to meet him someday
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: he seems like a neat kid yeah he is he's
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: great is he yeah um and yeah thank you for
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: your time i can't believe that i got to be
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: able to sit down with you i'm grateful to uh
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to dana white as well for setting this up and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: um and um yeah i just appreciate uh you giving
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: me your time today donald trump.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much good luck with your situation you're
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: gonna do it you beat it right oh yeah good
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: luck with.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: It thank you brother thank you very much.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: For 50 years now.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Hip-hop has been a reflection of culture and society.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: That includes stories of struggle and pain, social injustice, racial inequality,
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: the marginalization of communities.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Today, we confront a healthcare system that has been rigged
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: against all of us.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Hospitals force patients to sign contracts.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: For services without ever showing us actual prices, stifling competition,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: overcharging without accountability.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: And if we can't pay, These same contracts allowed them
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to take everything we own, creating so much fear that
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of Americans refused to enter a hospital,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: putting our health and our lives at stake.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: This is an American humanitarian crisis. We love our nurses.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: And we need our doctors.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: But hospitals and insurers rigging a system to make profits
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: off of people that's in.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Struggle is unforgivable.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: We demand prices and transparency in health care.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: How?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: To the patients.