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Ep. 727: Backpack Hunting for Alaskan Black Bears · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: recording in a airplane hair plane hanger, yeah, next to
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  Speaker 1: a two o six. If you, guys, if this was
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  Speaker 1: interesting than over here. It's busy. Yeah, well if you could.
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  Speaker 1: If you if they had done it the way I thought,
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  Speaker 1: and you're watching on on you're watching the video on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be looking at a big old welding project where
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  Speaker 1: and it's held up in this kind of jig apparatus
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  Speaker 1: tools laying around and just looks awesome. But instead you
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  Speaker 1: got just a regular old plane.
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  Speaker 2: So pretty cool, pretty cool plane.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good looking plane. It's good. There's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that plane. It was telling you it's better over
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  Speaker 1: that way.
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  Speaker 3: Coolest part about that plane that people can't see is
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  Speaker 3: it says forestry on the wing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, uh? Joining it by av so cool? Joining it
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  Speaker 1: by Avanthalker, who's on the show for the second time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember what do we call the last time
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  Speaker 1: you came on?
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  Speaker 2: What was the name of it? Yeah, I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: You did a good job on that one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thanks.
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  Speaker 1: I keep wanting to sing my new song about Chili,
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  Speaker 1: just to show people that it's not like that big
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  Speaker 1: of a deal. What's not that big of a deal, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's just writing songs. Whatever. Listen to this one. Chili's
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  Speaker 1: rifle man, gonna make his final stand. See how far
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  Speaker 1: I got on that.
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  Speaker 4: It sounded like he almost forgot the second line.
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  Speaker 1: The second line was I just repeat the first line.
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  Speaker 1: It was Chili's a rifle man. Chili's a rifle man, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: rifle in his hand, gonna make his final stand. So
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  Speaker 1: now you're hooked dude, because you're hooked, because you're like,
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  Speaker 1: tell me more about the final stand, but.
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  Speaker 5: Knowing you probably won't, you probably won't write anything more
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  Speaker 5: to it, I'd say.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say it's more of like a marching or hiking cadence. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're hiking, fixing the hike when I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about seven days to come off the bats.
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  Speaker 2: All, it takes time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so my song, my song is faltering, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's that what I want to do. Though. So we're
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  Speaker 1: coming from we're in this here aircraft hangar, and we're
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  Speaker 1: coming from uh spending four or five days, six six nights,
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  Speaker 1: at least six nights six nights doing like a little
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  Speaker 1: backpack based fly in airplane hunt. And when we got
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  Speaker 1: into it, we we had this argument about I was
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  Speaker 1: I was taking like I was playing Devil's advocate on
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  Speaker 1: this argument where the guys here were talking about looking
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  Speaker 1: at packing lists. Okay, someone looking at packing lists, and
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  Speaker 1: I was just, for no reason at all, assuming the
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  Speaker 1: position of someone who didn't think that was constructive that
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  Speaker 1: you just felt like arguing, Yeah, I feel like arguing nothing.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing like big to argue about. Rick can't said
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  Speaker 1: anything like totally stupid.
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  Speaker 4: Did you bring your iyem ask?
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  Speaker 3: That's the question.
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  Speaker 4: Did you bring your iyem ask?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, So so I think what I was saying
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  Speaker 1: was this. I was saying, it's very Subjective's subject highly subjective,
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  Speaker 1: because there's like things that work for people and things
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  Speaker 1: that don't work for people. And I was saying, how
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  Speaker 1: I could go online and trick you guys and make
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  Speaker 1: a packing list for something that's coming up and then
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  Speaker 1: put crazy stuff on it and then laugh when you
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  Speaker 1: brought it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well I was trying. I was trying to tell
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  Speaker 6: you that I have the ability in my mind to
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  Speaker 6: be like that will work for me, that won't type
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  Speaker 6: of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good reminder I should bring that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it dark, Yeah, that's it. Wasn't thinking that that
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  Speaker 1: I should probably take that. So that's the attitude with
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  Speaker 1: which you approach.
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  Speaker 6: Pack Yeah, not like if I was watching yours and
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  Speaker 6: you're like, oh, I have a I was gonna, yeah, pushbrew.
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  Speaker 4: Clean out your tent, just like one of those little guys. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally No, the list and then buried right in
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  Speaker 1: the middle. List is like a push broom and see
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  Speaker 1: if people bring it.
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  Speaker 4: See Conrad did not look at the list and he
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  Speaker 4: used a sock to cover his eyes, which worked out
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  Speaker 4: pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: So what I want to do, I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I want to do a gear thing for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: What I want to do is not what you brought,
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  Speaker 1: not what you brought. But if everyone can think real quick,
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  Speaker 1: you can raise your hand when you're ready. Not what
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  Speaker 1: you brought, but like so so backpack hunting in June
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  Speaker 1: in the mountains in east central Alaska, spring bear hunting
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  Speaker 1: more like early summer bear hunting, because like it starts
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  Speaker 1: turning the winter again in a couple of months, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like September it'll snow right well, snow in August.
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  Speaker 3: It's like early summer in the valley winter up tops.
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  Speaker 1: Not what not, not what you brought that you like?
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  Speaker 1: What do you what? What? What was the thing you
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  Speaker 1: wish you had done to different packing? Something you'd change,
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  Speaker 1: should have brought like a packing insight. Oh, if you're ready,
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  Speaker 1: because I could go, I had time to know that
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna do this.
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  Speaker 4: I brought really ultra light rain pants.
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  Speaker 1: You first give your credentials.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Rick, one of the camera guys.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'll do it better than that. When you're watching
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  Speaker 1: a nature When you're watching Nature documentary and there's like
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  Speaker 1: some crazy thing happens, You're like, how in the world
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  Speaker 1: did they ever film that? Rick did it? No?
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  Speaker 4: No, I've I work on this show more than I
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  Speaker 4: work on Nature documentary.
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  Speaker 1: But you do work on nature occasionally, don't be mine?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: His brother's doctor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Morgan, this is your podcast. Shout out all
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  Speaker 4: your your buddies up there. And hell Rick's parents are
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  Speaker 4: very proud of his brother. Yeah, ultra light pants.
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  Speaker 1: No, I want to get back to your credentials.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, I've been working on this show since
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  Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been working with us for a million years.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes remember when you went to that golf course
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  Speaker 1: and you had to just wait there forever waiting for
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  Speaker 1: and kill a dump or something.
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  Speaker 4: BBC Natural History Unit shoot, and you just.
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  Speaker 1: Spent you just spend a boatload of time waiting for
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of wolves to kill a moose.
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  Speaker 4: Yep up for a Disney Plus show with Bertie Gregory.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, somewhat wildlife wildlife film Polar Bears, which is
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  Speaker 4: cool film Polar Bears. Yeah, yeah, where in the Hudson
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  Speaker 4: Bay south of Churchill.
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  Speaker 1: So like I was saying, yeah, so when you watch
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  Speaker 1: some animals do something, rick pro filming it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, or yeah, or I'm filming the guy filming it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm in the he's in the mix, in
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  Speaker 4: the mix.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now you wish you'd have broad well I was.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the weight we have to carry just a
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  Speaker 4: lot of batteries, so then you try to like go
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  Speaker 4: ultra light on everything else. So my rain pants were
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  Speaker 4: very thin, and I brought puffy pants thinking, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: those will keep me warm and we go up high.
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  Speaker 4: But I think I should have brought thicker rain pants.
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  Speaker 4: It's wind production and not not bothered with the ultra
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  Speaker 4: light little ones. I mean going through the alders. If
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  Speaker 4: it was wet, it would have been uh, those pants
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have survived. So no puffies, No puffies, Yeah I
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  Speaker 4: had I had one too many insulation layers. I cannot.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when it's my turn, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 1: something that I have dialed and something that I don't.
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  Speaker 1: So go ahead and hit something that you think is
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  Speaker 1: something in your your general program that's dialed.
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  Speaker 4: I think my using I sweat a lot, and so
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  Speaker 4: it's humid, and I use a synthetic, like that first
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  Speaker 4: layer synthetic and then the rest of my stuff's wool.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's the like when you when we hike,
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  Speaker 4: we generally hike super fast and hard. And Steve's still
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  Speaker 4: wearing like all of his layers and his gloves, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a like a T shirt sweating, and uh
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  Speaker 4: so I think I got my my bass layer game
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  Speaker 4: suitable for me.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have you pegged as a sweaty man.
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, just if I just start thinking too hard.
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  Speaker 1: Breakout and sweat. Yeah, you know, we hike hard and
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  Speaker 1: we sit hard, right, that's yeah, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: So if you look at if you look at like
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  Speaker 4: ultra light hiking lists, they're all made for hiking, stopping
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  Speaker 4: and going to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 4: We we do this thing where we hike really hard
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  Speaker 4: and then we sit in spots that you would never
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  Speaker 4: camp in because they're cold and they're windy, and you're
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  Speaker 4: exposed and you're not in your tent and you're not
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  Speaker 4: in your sleeping bag. So you have to bring more
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  Speaker 4: insulation layers and than somebody that's just doing like a
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  Speaker 4: fast through hike situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right, you get all worked up and
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  Speaker 1: you sit and then all of a sudden a while
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  Speaker 1: lay like freezing. My asks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're not normally if if it gets cold
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  Speaker 4: and you're through hiking, you're just you're sleeping in like
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  Speaker 4: your little comfy sleeping bag. We're just sitting out on
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  Speaker 4: a knob, last one for a couple hours.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what you got dial Yeah, Okay, who wants
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  Speaker 1: to go next? We're saving Evan for last. Evan's still
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  Speaker 1: formulating you got one already because he's you're still that
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  Speaker 1: was Chilli, because because Evan's still acclimating to the like
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  Speaker 1: you're like a horse guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't ever backpacked before.
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  Speaker 1: So you're you're still agregating to all the like the
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  Speaker 1: fancy materials.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's nice. I mean it's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot less stuff to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, keep stewing on that, Okay, working on it. If
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  Speaker 1: you can put it into like a song for him,
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  Speaker 1: right Limerick, Okay, Chilli, go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think the.
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  Speaker 3: Oversight the one thing I would have done better, Like
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of knew but didn't really fully grasp like
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  Speaker 5: the fact that you know how it would affect sleeping,
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  Speaker 5: like with the sun being out.
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  Speaker 3: All night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about just how bright it is. Like what
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  Speaker 1: activities could you do all night whatever you do during
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  Speaker 1: the day. You could shoot a rifle, yeah, at any
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  Speaker 1: distance all night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, if you wanted to, you could go completely. You
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  Speaker 6: can flip your day completely. Yeah, Like if you wanted
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  Speaker 6: to bear hunt from six pm to you know, four am,
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  Speaker 6: four am, you know, be no different. You could do
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  Speaker 6: that and then sleep all during the regular day hours
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  Speaker 6: that light out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And so with that, like the effect that the sun
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  Speaker 5: had on the tent, like when we were sleeping, kind
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  Speaker 5: of it wasn't like terrible, but it kind of made
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  Speaker 5: it like a little warmer than what you would get
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  Speaker 5: or a lot warmer than what you get if you
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  Speaker 5: had like actually darkness. And so I found that when
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  Speaker 5: I'm in my sleeping bag, it got a little humid
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  Speaker 5: and like my legs would like it'd get kind of
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  Speaker 5: sticky because it kind of sweat a little bit. So
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  Speaker 5: if I had to bring something, it would be like
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  Speaker 5: a pair of like top long Johns, So like my
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  Speaker 5: legs went stick together.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate, I absolutely hate that you got sweaty thighs,
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  Speaker 1: is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, And I'm a pretty light sleeper and
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  Speaker 5: anything that's wrong I will wake me up or make
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  Speaker 5: me cause me to move.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I probably would have done that.
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  Speaker 1: That was my thing.
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  Speaker 5: But on the flip side, the thing that I think
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  Speaker 5: I did really well was like my sleeping system set
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  Speaker 5: up was like you know, like had I had one
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  Speaker 5: of those Nemo accordion pads and then I had a
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  Speaker 5: Nemo or a Thermoresque inflatable pad and that was like
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  Speaker 5: probably and like plus my nice uh sleeping system that
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  Speaker 5: was pretty dialed. Actually, my sleeping system saved your ass.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get through that. Okay, that's my oversight. Save Steve's life.
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  Speaker 1: So I forgot what you got dialed the sleeping my
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  Speaker 1: sleeping set up, oh yeah, which is what I don't
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  Speaker 1: have dialed. Yeah, yeah, you know what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: Like that feeling you get of everything sticky and I
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  Speaker 1: just sleeping bag. After a few nights, I wear those.
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  Speaker 1: I sleep in those arrow wool boottop ones boottop ELK
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  Speaker 1: super thin arrow will bootop LJ because it keeps you
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  Speaker 1: from getting that feeling like you're glued to the fabric.
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  Speaker 1: Of your bag.
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  Speaker 3: I hate that.
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  Speaker 2: And Seth that's the way Seth was.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: We shared a tent and he had those on every night.
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  Speaker 5: I just get jealous. I also sleep in an arrow
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  Speaker 5: will top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so I don't stick all gluey
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  Speaker 1: to my bag right weight top. Same, Thanks for sharing, Chili,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready, Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I did not bring gators on this trip, which oversight oversight.
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  Speaker 1: I just forgot him. I so it sounds like someone's
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  Speaker 1: reading a bad packing list.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it was on the packing list. I just I
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  Speaker 6: actually had him said out and then I just forgot him.
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  Speaker 6: Gators would have been nice. And another thing I give
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  Speaker 6: like a right well stream crossings. It rained half the
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  Speaker 6: time over half the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a forty eight hour rain stretch.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're going through thick altars and willows and you
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  Speaker 6: just end up with wet pants.
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  Speaker 1: So I wish I had gators.
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  Speaker 6: And then I wish I would have brought the lightweight
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  Speaker 6: at like orange attless gloves for the rain rainy days. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: because I soaked out my leather gloves.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point, man, that's a good point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've done that in the pass on rainy, rainy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you'd bring like rubber commercial fishing gloves yep,
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  Speaker 1: and just be like screw it now, dude.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like they're not super heavy to where you're like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, too hot, but they're you know, just enough
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  Speaker 6: to take the edge off and you just don't get
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  Speaker 6: your gloves wet.
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  Speaker 1: When I publish my gear list, that might put that
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we'll read it, Seth, and I'll probably read
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  Speaker 6: that gear. And the thing that I had dialed was
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  Speaker 6: my water system. I think tell us more liter and
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  Speaker 6: a half Nalgene bottle and two of those collapsible like
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  Speaker 6: platypus bottles, No big ol' ms R bladder Nope, nope,
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  Speaker 6: just two of those, and I would stay like the
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  Speaker 6: stuff that I felt like I needed to stairy pen.
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  Speaker 6: I would just do that in the in the now gene.
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  Speaker 6: And then the two platypus bottles were like my dirty
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  Speaker 6: water bottles, so I would fill those up and then
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  Speaker 6: fill up my big bottle and then I would stairy
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  Speaker 6: pen in that, and then the as I needed I
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  Speaker 6: would take from the platypus bags dump into the Nalgene bottle.
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  Speaker 1: Then and you're happy with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean a lot of the stuff we
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  Speaker 3: drank from we didn't didn't need to.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't purify a thing the whole trip. We were
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  Speaker 1: higher than the beavers. Yeah, and we're just drinking water
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  Speaker 1: out of Glacier.
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  Speaker 3: That stuff that came out of that side drainage that
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  Speaker 3: we went up that you said was like the the
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  Speaker 3: Grayling stream, Yep, that stuff was just seems so pure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
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  Speaker 3: The Glacier River had a little bit of like silty
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  Speaker 3: clo oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a lot of that. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was bringing this up and I shouldn't even bring
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  Speaker 1: it up because I'm not. I'll bring it up with
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  Speaker 1: the with the caveat that. I don't don't know if
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  Speaker 1: this is true. I feel like guys that live up
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  Speaker 1: here have told me that there's like that it's that
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  Speaker 1: drinking too much of that, that it's not good to
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  Speaker 1: drink too much of that glacial till or they just
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  Speaker 1: don't like it. So when I'm with my brother Danny,
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  Speaker 1: they'll bring a they'll bring a like a picture like
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  Speaker 1: a big collapsable dog bowl yep. Like it's like a
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  Speaker 1: like a duffel bag that's made out of that what
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  Speaker 1: the hell's the material on? Todd trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: like a it's like a duffel bag bucket. I don't
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  Speaker 1: un till you call it just like a waterproof Yeah,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: like a waterproof bag bucket. Yeah. And they'll dip will
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: dip out of that three four gallons at night and
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: then let's settle and then drink it in the morning
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and in the morning when it's not being agitated by
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: flow in the morning. It's just like an eighth of
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: an inch of just clay, yea laying on the bombs stuff.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So they'll set it out at night just to let
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: it settle, to not drink it. But I feel like
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: they were someone was telling me something about that. It's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: not just like that, you shouldn't do that too much.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I could be making that up. So don't stop drinking
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: glacial till based on what I'm telling you do your
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: own reasons.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe looking back, I would I would probably liked
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: to have had a filter for that stuff instead of
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: just to get the till out. Just to get the
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: till out, you run through your underwear. Well you had
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: more till, yeah, but no, that's that's all I got.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Conrad, give your background. You never been on the show before? No,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: first time, first time on the Mediator podcast. But Brad
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Brooks has been on the podcast and you're his friend. Yep.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I'm an old climbing buddy at Brad Brooks. I grew
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: up climbing with him for a number of years.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Started filming with him some of his hunts a couple
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: of years ago, never hunted before. He was like, you
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: want to go film some film some hunts and I
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: know you can keep up. And I was like, yeah,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: let's do it. And UH went out for about a
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: week and a half on a rifle elk hunt and
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I thought it was just awesome, just running around in
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the woods.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And then had been filming with him for a couple
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: of years. UH, and then got connected with you guys
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: with through Brad and then oh, so he's not pissed
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: at you with us, No, he's I told him, And
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. He he can
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: acted me with Sam.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And then my buddy Drew Smith his brothers with with
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Dirt and he connected me with Dirt and had a
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: good conversation with him, and and we have a lot
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: of the same background. He fought fire. I fought fire.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: We were a year apart at a in Neats Bay
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: in Alaska. I worked up there in a hatchery and
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and he was on a boat up there, and so yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: here here I am. And it's awesome.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I kept calling dirt two point zero. Yeah, yeah, Sam
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: sat a couple of times too. Yeah, that's yeah. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: he recommended me and I had never met him, so
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that's awesome.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Well that might be like a Garrett did the wedding,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: so you know, or or didn't. Sounds like.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: We had a thirty minute conversation. He was like, you're like, yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I'll put in a good word for you. And I
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: was like, man, I've never worked with you. You don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: have to do that, but I really appreciate it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad he did this. But it was a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: fun hang out.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super fun.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, hit me with your hit me with your insights. Yeah,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I forgot Long John's this trip. I I I wish
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you'd have brought it up. Well, when I get to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: my thing, you'll know why you should have brought it up.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well I forgot Long John's. I realized it on
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the on these gonna be like I had. I realized
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: it on the on the drive.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Why did you say anything?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I told Sam and she and she was like, oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: do we need to get you long John's ad. No,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to complain, was just tough it out.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: But anyway, should have brought long John's.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And I probably would have brought an extra bass layer
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: for the top just for sleeping with all this wet weather.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: It's nice to get in your bag and have have
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: dry clothes him. So those those are the two things
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I would have would have brought.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And then what do you what? What? What like? What
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: thing in your pack? And thing feels like just totally tight.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I think my sleeping system earplugs because I'm sleeping with
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Rick and he snores. Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it used to me and I did not know this.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know about it has developed recently. But a
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: nice tent, nice sleeping bag, good good pad sleeps. Sleep
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: for me is super important after big, long days. So
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: the more sleep I can get, the better. Blow up pad,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: blow up pad, yeah, exo pad uh, and our golly
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: sleeping bag twenty degree bag super warm and then our
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: golly uh uh two p tent got it?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, and that's like the new fan dangled floorless single
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: wall tents.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yep, single wall super waterproof. Got a little condensation problems
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: when it's when it's raining out, but every ten has that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: We me and me and Rick were throwing back and
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: forth if we need to bring an insert, and when
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we came up here and it's all that snow, we
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: didn't bring an insert and just rule the doll floorless.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And it was a pound to carry around your backpack.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So that's nice.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's super nice.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You ready, You know you have to do yours yet,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: because I can do mine. You can if you just
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: get nervous. You want to get it over with.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, let's do it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You want to hit it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So the thing that I the only the only thing
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that I missed when uh, when I was up there
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: because you guys told me what to get or got
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: got me rigged out, was I wished I had some
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: shoes to walk around camp in. Wish I brought that. Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: if I could get away with the Yeah, but just
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: because putting your boots on after you've been in them
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: for a while, which the boots were Honestly, I was
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: talking about it yesterday. They're good, like pretty comfortable boots,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: but still kind of putting them back on to slip
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: around to go do whatever you need to do around
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the camp. And uh, as far as being dialed in,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I was not dialed in, but I had.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I did wear.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I can't take credit for being dialed in.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Like I had.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: As far as my layers went, there were they were good.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I had or Long John's the whole trip, and two
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: sets of like a T shirt over the long Johns
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: on top, and pretty much slept in my clothes and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: brought like a couple pairs of socks to dry one
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and do the other gaiters and stuff like that. It
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: was I mean, I can't think of a time I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was particularly like the temperature or rain was bothering me,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know. And if you got cold, you could put
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that extra layer of rain rain gear on and you
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: can stay pretty warm even sitting still.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And you didn't blow up your sleeping pad till the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: third night.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know how to do it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Sleeping on the ground.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It was pretty good, but like the sleeping pad's real
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: real good. I got in there and I didn't see
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like the blow up bad and I was trying to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: blow it up with my mouth and I was like, oh,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this is not gonna work.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Defeated like the again. Man was yell over to my
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: tent area and.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But it it, it all worked out.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Oh that's good. Here's here's my problem. Uh. I used
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to never use inflatable pads. Sleep pads, but the best
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: thing in the world until so I got mine. Really,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I was kind of in like a little puddle for
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a while, and I went to dry my bag and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: got some not even ambers. Dude like ash put some
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: burn some holes in my pad. I was trying to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: dry my pad and I burned some holes in my pad.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Couldn't find all the suns of bitches. Found one one night,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: found not one of the other nights, still one thing
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in it. And you realize that, Uh, you put a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: lot of faith in those. You put a lot of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: faith in something that's pretty fallible. I mean they're great,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: but they're fallible. And Rick was carrying a blow up
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: pad and he had a little halfy a little one
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of those.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I guess just in case, just you can use it
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: as a pad when you're glassing.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: But you said in case, my thing, I don't like
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I don't usually pack with a ton of in cases,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but those I got two sleeping bags in case something
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: happens to sleep.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: And it is sort of the in cases the problem
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: with packing. If you bring all the stuff in case,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: then you just have too much ship.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: But the blow up pad is the vulnerability. Chili brought
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a blow up pad and underpad.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Because I didn't I don't have a tarp like where
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: like or like a footprint to lay down like on
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: the just on the ground in between you and your
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: and your blow up mattress or blow up had. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: instead of just going to buy one sporadically, I just
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I had this Accordion Nemo phone pad, the one that
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: we all used to kind of sit down on the
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: ground when we're glassing, just a full length one.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'll just use that on the ground.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It's like six seven ounces or whatever it is.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Strive it to the bottom of my pack, like it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: not gonna the footprint of it's not gonna like cause
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: me to have to get a bigger bag or anything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: So yeah, that was kind of my thinking and it worked.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: It worked great, And luckily Seth had like a little
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: plastic thing as well, so I could throw that down and.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just kind of just like a tart if
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: not comfortable, more comfortable, yep. Yeah, I brought a little
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: chunk of before I left. It was like the last
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: thing I grabbed was just a little chunk of plastic
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: that I used to like cover my garden when it frosts.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And I threw that in.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: I was like, ah, just in case, like I need
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: to put something under my sleeting pad or whatever. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: then Chile ended up grabbing me a footprint from the
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: store Janet, But so I still had that and then
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: gave it out to Chili.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Uh. What I got dialed is over the years on backpacking,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: over the years I have I have pretty much eliminated
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: any changes of clothes extra clothes, yeh, with one exception.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I keep in a dry bag, the extra set of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bass layers, extra set of thin bass layers. I keep
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the driving and like this never touched them as much
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: as it rained. I left them in there because it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like I leave them in there being like if something
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: bad happens, I can get in my bag, which I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: keep in a dry bag, I can get in my
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: bag with dry stuff at night. But I've gotten overcarrying
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: any kind of extra anything. Well that's not I carry
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a pair of socks. I cart one pair of socks
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: because the worst case, you washed pair in the creek,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: put them on your back to dry. I got rid
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of all that kind of junk, like, oh I have
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: extra pants, I might want to change my shirt. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: just I have the one thing I'm wearing, and like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you just get used to it. It's funky, you get
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: over it. And I don't care any kind of extra
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: clothes except for those except for those lj's that I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: have as an insurance policy. Or should a camera guy
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: forget his ljs? Well, now I know I would have
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: happily dipped me my extra ljs.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I brought an extra like mid layer, wool ool mid layer,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: and I never touched it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: It's like the one thing I was like, I should
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: have just left this behind.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Because what happens when you do when you bring extra
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: clothes is there was mornings when I was like to myself, thinking, man,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put them clothes on, mm hmm,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: But then you to put the other ones on, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: then those ones are messed up too, and then now
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you just got whatever you yeah, instead of one pair
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of pants that are now dry because you wore them,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: now you got one wet ass pair of pants in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: your backpack. It's just like I just got rid of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: all that junk. I think it was the coldest it
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: could get. Have what appropriate? So I had like a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like a air wool top, synthetic hoodie, brooks Down bast
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: or brooks Down jacket and omen storm shelter rain jacket.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: That was it. Same thing on my same thing pants,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the aarrow wool pants, a pair of pants, and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the lightweight rain pants.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: You mentioned brooks Down Best. I brought one of those,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: and that's like that's a hot tip in my opinion.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: It's like very compacts, very tiny. It's like the size
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: of a scroll, very lightly and it's like it's just
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: enough to like take the edge off and like keep
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: your core warm. It's it's a great piece of gear.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: I forgot I that kind of messed up.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Pro tip every when you're in the back country, don't
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: forget a spork or a spoon, because then you might
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: be left whittling one and then your buddies might come
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: up after three hours of whittling, saying, I got two
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: extra spins, really good spoon.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: We were having so much fun.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: One.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I need to get my little spoon back.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Well it's mine now. But that's too short. It's too short. Yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: get a long one, get a long spin. Oh yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they make the long dogs just for eat and freeze drive.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So I have to give me, give me your give
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: me your impressions, man, like you're you're you're just your
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: general impressions.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That is like the prettiest country I've ever seen, or
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: as pretty as anything. It's more interesting seeing that glacier,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and it's like seeing we We saw more wildlife on
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: this trip than a bunch of stuff I never laid
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: eyes on. But as as far as.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: What we saw for we hit all the we hit
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: six so we had We saw a caribou, doll sheep,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: ye a moose mm hmmm, wolves, grizzly black bear, yep.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's it park.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got caribou. Yeah, that was that was
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: interesting man, to get to see all that stuff, get
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: see that many sheep, like I feel like not that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: many people get to even see those things. Yeah, that
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: was that was really neat to me and just being there,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: being in that that kind of a environment is It's
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: something that you, hm, it's easy to spend a lot
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of time like making excuses and not getting it done. Like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm really happy that I got to go and had
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a reason to go because it's like really reignited my
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: love for this stuff, just because you you just procrastinate
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and put it off and then don't get back on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the horse, you know. And this was a good one,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: like a really really good trip.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you you so you were born in Oklahoma
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and spent your life in Oklahoma. And I remember telling
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: me that at one point in time you and your
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: dad took took your horses and went out and you
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: guys did are on Western Titan hunting.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we went.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: We just kind of just went and did it all.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he and I which my dad knows quite
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: a bit about about packing and uh and really about
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: hunting in general. And uh he took me up there
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and showed me, taught me a whole lot and really
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: gave me like a love for We had a great trip.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: You know, we were in the elk and we didn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: come home with anything, but it didn't matter, you know.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: It was like we were so close, we had opportunities,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: we were seeing stuff, and it was like it was
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the wildest place I'd ever been at that point in time.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Everything just feels so, I mean, there's it's easy to
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: be hunting places that are easy to access and feel
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: like it's not authentic enough for me to feel like
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I'm doing anything sometimes, you know, And when you get
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: back into this stuff that not a lot of people
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: get to see it, it just feels more special to me.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And it's just got another it's just another level and
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: more of an experience. But uh, yeah, I love this stuff,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Like I've never dreamed that I'd get to fly in
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: on a super cover, be in one ever have reason
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to be in one, you know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: So it's yeah, Well, the thing I didn't know about
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the thing I didn't know about you when we spoke
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: before and just communicated over text message and whatnot, is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that you got into coon hunting for
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a coon hunter. That was my That's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: what we did for a long time.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And so that was the kind of dogs you brought.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Up for the first dogs I really had that were
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: my first hunting dogs. Yeah, we had I had a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: few different kinds of coonhounds.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I had some.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I had a pretty good plot hound, and I had
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of blue tick dogs that would tree a coon.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And I was, you know, I was fifteen, fourteen to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: sixteen probably when I was really really into it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So like in your high school years, you're going out
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: at night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, going out, man. I had two or
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: three buddies that that hunted and we'd go every night
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  Speaker 2: we could.
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  Speaker 1: And that was like before the quail thing.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I kind of traded that for for quail hunting.
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  Speaker 1: I went.
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  Speaker 2: I had one good hunt with in front of a
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: good dog in the hills, and we we killed birds.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I think I might, I don't think I shot a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: quail in in the timber. For a year after that
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  Speaker 2: trying to. I mean, I had to learn how to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: shoot because it's it's tough shooting, and I just it
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: was hard and I fell, you know, fell in love
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  Speaker 2: with it, and I had I've still got dogs on
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: my place that are descendants of that dog that I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: went on my first quail hunt.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how many dogs you keep knowing? How many bird dogs?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: The bird dogs. I me and my buddy Phil, he's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: actually training on on some right now. But I've got
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a I got one wire haired dog that that is
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: mine that I've done everything on. And then we've got
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to two pointers because I sold sold one, so just
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: some guys that needed one.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get into squirrel dogging? Yeah?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I went and we had some dogs, you know. We
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: we did a whole lot of that, riding on like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: horseback riding, shooting with like squirrel hunting. Yeah, training with
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a dog, and we did a lot of it. It
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. We had friends that had
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a one really good dog, and but I never had
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I never really had any that I can think of,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: not on purpose, you know.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And then you do use your same dogs for waterfowl hunting.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I have those, Yeah, I have a versatile hunting dog
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: that those draw tars, just the German bread wire hairs
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: are all of them will get in the water. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: those are specifically, you know, made to do everything. Like
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: they've been bringing them pretty tight for a long time.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: You know. Everybody's been training up their dogs do now,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: which kind of like bums me out but kind of
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: makes me jealous. Is got all these dogs now finding morels?
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Man?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: How did they?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah that that's interesting.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: These little tin looks like a chew tin with a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of holes in it. Put some morals in there.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So you want to want a dog on that you
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: don't want.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You don't want to I wish it was. It's like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: just yet another thing that demystifies the morale. But it's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: yet another thing to demystifies the moral, like them learning
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to cultivate morels should be illegal, should be illegal to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: find them with a dog. But since it's not now
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: killing me that I don't have one of them dogs.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: My brother Danny went out hunting morels and he said
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: they filled a bucket with a dog. And he says, dude,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: if that while dog wasn't there, it would have been,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: like you, it'd have been like a two or three
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it would have been a two or three morel day. Really, yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: there's probably he's a big mushroom hunter, he said. It
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: would have been yet another two or three morell search.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: He said, the dog is like bing bing bing bing.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a bunch of gunshot dogs that you
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: could probably turn into a morale dog. That's probably a
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: good job for a bunch of sensitive dogs.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if my dumb little dog.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Probably I'll take that out with my kids.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: It's nice how you talked about it wouldn't do shit
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Well, here's what the dog does do. Like, it finds.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: That dog is very good at finding red squirrels, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: once it finds one and sees it, it's not leaving.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't notify you that it found one. So
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the moral dog that my brother Danny was out with
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't notify you that it found a morele It just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: stops doing anything and it stays there. He said, you
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: can probably teach it the bark. I don't know. I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can teach dogs to bark. It's hard.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But he said, that dog just finds morel after morale,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: after Morrell, after morell. That's cool, I know, I kind of.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, but then you're keeping a dog for fifty weeks,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for two weeks of action.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: We just like to have a second job.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Some people just like having a dog because where are
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: gonna put it the rest of the time. Where you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: gonna keep it the fifty weeks out of the year,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you're not hunting on your couch. So tell me, tell
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: me what's going on. Tell me what give me some,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Give everybody some. Turnpike Troubadours.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: We put out a record which was kind of a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: quick turnaround for us. We put out a record in April.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: What makes a quick turnaround less than two years, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: or sometimes we've gone like six or seven years between records.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So that that's pretty speedy, very quick. I was surprised.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: So when you guys made this album, I'm surprised that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you go in and you kind of like it's like
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a very intense two weeks and you come in like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you got your ideas and your basics, but you're really
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like building it over two weeks.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a got a pretty good shell of
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a song and like an idea and exactly. You know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'll have a lot of lyrics and just be
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: sort of trimming them and just editing. And then sometimes
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it's I come because like sometimes in those high pressure situations,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: if you don't have to come up with just tons
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: of material door you're just buried in like feeling like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna make it, you can come up with
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: one idea and complete it really quickly and it's a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: good you know, it has been in the past for
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: me a good, good idea, like a good song. So yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: we we went in with just like iPhone recordings of
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of it, ninety percent of it, and would
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: just walk in the studio and flesh it out and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: play it, you know, and hopefully I didn't have to
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: sing it that day so I could. I'd sing like
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: a rough track or hum of verse or whatever, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: then I go back and make sure that the lyrics
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: were exactly how I wanted them.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And then I had to ask you about this till now.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I was kind of wait until now about the you'd
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: contact me at one point and you were looking for
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a picture of a deer in velvet for the album
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: called Yeah. I never said why.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so there's like there are some animal
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: images in that song it's called on the Red River,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and uh, I thought we were looking for themes for
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: for artwork while we were in the studio, and I thought, well,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: what the hell, you know, so let's just put these
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: images up. And like I mentioned a kelpie dog in
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: that song, which is kind of a not the most
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: well known animal in the world, and uh so I thought, well,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I'll put one on the cover so when people.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Ask what it is, it's easy. It's an easy restaur
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: on the cover.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I thought, well, I'll build off that,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and we've so we used they from that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that stuff and uh put it put it there in
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: sort of like an old like kind of like the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Wild America like filter on it. It looks like, yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it looks like with Marty Stafford stuff.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. Yeah, and then that's been Uh,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that's out. Everybody can go check it out. And you
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna start touring soon.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll go on like a real tour. We're gonna
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: do some stuff in in the UK and then we
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: come back over here and we do. I want to
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: say it's I told you it was more date sentators.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's twenty something dates all over the US.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So so if people want to come check you.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah, should it should be something to see.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm gonna make one of them. I'm gonna make
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: one of those dates work and come out. Hell. So
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: my wife's dying to come see you guys. It'll be
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: fun and I'll go along. So I'm gonna fly out
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and check out one of the shows.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Try to let you know what's the ones that I know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: are best sonically or best to hang out in.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't want to catch you. You got
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like some town with a bunch of cousins and stuff
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: in it. I need to I need to find a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: time when there's no one gonna be cousins. Cousins allowed. Yeah, man,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I want to come see it bad. So you guys
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: are going to Europe and sometimes you tour and you're
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: with other bands, but your tour is gonna be like
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a Turnpike Troubadoor tour. This will be our headline headline tour. Yeah,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: when you go to Europe, you you do. You're part
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of a broader thing.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do a few headline and bar shows over there,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and then we'll be opening for Zach Bryan, who's draws
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: huge over there.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Got it? And you brought like a ukulele with you.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: No, it's an old cool cowboy guitar, so like a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Marty Robbins's. It's a Martin guitar. It's pretty cool.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that, man.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It's like a forties model Martin that a guy that
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: works with me named Sherman had this guitar and he said, hey,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you should start using that because it's easy, easy to
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: fly with. And then he wound up selling to me
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: that it's a I think Marty Robbins played one of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: these on some.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Of those recordings, so it's traveling guitar.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just when I take it can take
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: everywhere because it's so small.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: God, now you're gonna play something. Yeah, you're gonna play
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the Red River.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I think so, I think that would be And I
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: gotta make uh move camera.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Before you start. I tell you something funny. I've walked
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: next to a million dudes singing a million songs out
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in the woods. It was so weird to hear dudes
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: singing a song. It was like like a like really
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: like a singer because I'm always like, Y need your money. Yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of that that goes on these shoots.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You're like, it should be nice to have a real
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: singer here. I was like, take it away, Evan, I'll
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: take a break for an hour. You sing us a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: little something.
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: And there's a mid July white tell in velvet read
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: as your old Chevrolet. And I was sixteen when yourected
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: and when we're lucky both walked away. You could say
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: were scrape out a living.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: The work for which you've been born.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: You were quick with a live fan forgiving, and tied
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: hard and fast to the horns. We had kelpies and
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: good quarter horses. We had a week pasture yearlings tied down.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: You learned pain is the prize, serve admission. You're never
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: done paying it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Down back on the Red River.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Not hard to.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Remember when you Daddy would never get off. I saw
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: the world from the bone your shoulders.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I remember you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: When you live like we do, Death doesly with the
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: beastbart On days off could help out our neighbors, for
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: we worked and sweated for free, and you learned every
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: dream with your labor.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: And I'd sleep on your front seat.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: And you'd call it cure for a snake bite. You
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: reach for fifth old crowl Some medicine should get your
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: head right when the symptoms to start to show. Back
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: on the Red River, not hard to remember when you
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Daddy would never get old. L saw world from the.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Bone your shoulders. I remember the view.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: When you live like we do, death does leave with
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: the best party. How the cars lined up down the
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: driveway haven't really been gone two years night beyond my
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: third On a good day down the last bottle. It's
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Saturday started without you, and I knew before.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I got the car.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: Alaridge. July bucks are in Vail. I tell you all
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: abouttle this fall from back on the Red River.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: Not hard to.
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: Remember when your taddy would never get off lie solt
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: world from my bone, your shoulders, I remember.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: You when you live like we do.
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: Death doesn't me with the best party. You gotta look
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: at the world from my bone, your shoulders, and I
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: remember the view when you live like we do. Death
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: doesn't me with the best party.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: All right, man, it's good, I thinks soon, all right,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: catch them when they head out on the road Turnpike.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Troubadour is heading out when I think.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: In July, it's in July.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Coming up, Yeah, coming up. Okay. Oh, there's the thing
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta do my own little deal here.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Oh so Season three This is hot from Krinn. Season
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: three of our kids podcasts, Meet Eater Kids is out.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: So if you don't remember the way Meet Eater Kids
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: podcast works, it's a three acts show. There's like a history, lesson, wildlife,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: lesson whatever comes out in the beginning. I've done them.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Clay's doing around right now. So it's like uh history
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and wildlife. According to Clay, Act two is for your kids.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: We start building that we find animals that have like
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: a wide, wide array of vocalizations, and we start laying
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: in the vocalizations, like real recordings of real animals doing vocalizations,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: and we start giving clues until you build up to
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: where kids guess them. So if you kids are real smart,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: he'll guess it right away. If you needs help, he'll
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: take them while to guests, you can tell it's a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: way to suss out how well are you kids doing?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: In is that outdoor education? Then three it's kids Trivia,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: So kids are gang of kids doing kids trivia. The
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: objective is to for them to work together to work
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: up a pot of money which goes to a conservation
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: outdoor conservation group that benefits kids. So that that's the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: kids podcast. Season three is out now. The season dropped
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: on June thirty. You can get episode two out today,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: so go listen and subscribe on the new Meat Eater
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Kids podcast feed and then go buy your tickets to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: go see Turnpike Troubadors. Now, when you get your bear
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: rug back, you can have that all laid out on stage.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Is it gonna tour with you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: It's too nice to tick on the road.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's not on the road, so when you go,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: don't be surprised. You don't see a new bear rug
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he ain't got one. Having foulker Turnpike. Thanks
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: going on the show Man. Thanks having us, get your gear,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: your pack right, and uh blow your air mattress up
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: but don't pop it. Thanks again,