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Speaker 1: Welcome to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table
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Speaker 1: podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in.
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Speaker 2: The world, twelve years strong.
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Speaker 1: It is the college football season, so many great storylines
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Speaker 1: to get into him. We've got a great discussion coming
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Speaker 1: your way on Table Talk this week. We've got one
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Speaker 1: of our really good friends from Fansided, one of the
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Speaker 1: lead writers over there. He's been on the show a
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Speaker 1: number of times, mister John vial Er. Funny, how you
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Speaker 1: doing and thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Good to be here, Jeff, glad to see you. Anna
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Speaker 3: Falcons gotta win on Sunday. There you go, deal with
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Speaker 3: the fact that George should not get it done on
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Speaker 3: Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: You're down south, you know you follow some of these
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Speaker 1: more southern teams. I know George is your team in
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Speaker 1: college football. We're gonna get to that in a bit here, John,
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Speaker 1: But I first wanted to start off our discussion, wanted
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Speaker 1: to get into my team here, the Penn State Nitney Lyons,
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Speaker 1: who just dropped their first loss of the season to Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's their only loss this season. But I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna hold out hope and I'm not gonna hold my
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Speaker 1: breath here. I swear it's like every year, a lot
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Speaker 1: of us Penn State fans, John, we always have high
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Speaker 1: hopes coming into these games, but at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day, frankly, a lot of us just weren't surprised
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Speaker 1: how this all turned out in the end. These are
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Speaker 1: some really good Penn State teams that we've seen over
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Speaker 1: the years, but they just have trouble beating top ten
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Speaker 1: ranked teams like Oregon, like Ohio State, which I think
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Speaker 1: is probably going to be their second loss of the season.
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Speaker 1: It's just an ongoing theme here.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Chris Landers over at Fan Sided, one of your colleagues
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Speaker 1: an interesting story on James Franklin and the quote, hell
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Speaker 1: that is the Penn State football program that we're all
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Speaker 1: currently in here, just in terms of the floor and
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Speaker 1: the ceiling with this team. Dear lord, I want to
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Speaker 1: get your thoughts as we start off this discussion, thoughts
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Speaker 1: on the Penn State Oregon game and your overall thoughts
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Speaker 1: on the Penn State football program at this point and
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Speaker 1: we're looking again at a what I believe is probably
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Speaker 1: going to be a two lost team this year.
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Speaker 2: Once again, what are your thoughts, buddy?
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Speaker 3: A lot of question, but I can right here. It's
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Speaker 3: just it's the Jams Franklin of it all.
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Speaker 2: I would be with the.
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Speaker 3: Mark Ric experience there in Athens, so I empathize with
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Speaker 3: what's going on there in Happy Valley. Look, I was
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Speaker 3: I picked Oregon to win the game coming in. I
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Speaker 3: thought that the Docs are playing very well under Dan Lanning.
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Speaker 3: They took that loss to Ohio State and Rose Bull personally,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, Wow, Oregon's tough. I didn't think I'd
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Speaker 3: ever say that in a sentence before, but looking at
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Speaker 3: looking at Penn State here, you've got all the talent
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Speaker 3: in the world. I mean, maybe not at every scoop
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Speaker 3: position or have a position on the field, but like
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Speaker 3: certainly enough to go on a deep playoff run. The
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Speaker 3: concern is, you know, I think this team's kind of
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Speaker 3: poorly coached. I James Franklin, like, if we're gonna do
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Speaker 3: a point with him where like he's got to make
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Speaker 3: it happen or not. I know, I know Jim Knowles
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Speaker 3: is a fantastic defensive coordinator. He's new. I'm a little
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Speaker 3: concerned with Andy Coldenecky on offense, and when's Drew Aller
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Speaker 3: going to be better, Like, I know he's got to
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Speaker 3: be I think he's a better version of J. J. McCarthy.
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Speaker 3: But honestly, you see what both Privyla is doing there
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Speaker 3: at Miszoo, and you kind of wonder like we picked
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Speaker 3: the wrong guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I I don't think Drew Aller is
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Speaker 1: going to be the I'll say this right now, just
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Speaker 1: in conversations I've had behind the scenes with friends even
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Speaker 1: family members, Drew Aler going to the NFL, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure if that's really going to necessarily be an experiment
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Speaker 1: that's going to work.
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Speaker 2: I we see him in these big.
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Speaker 1: Time situations, whether it was twenty twenty four season, how
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Speaker 1: that ended with an interception. We see this game it
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Speaker 1: ends on an interception in overtime. I love the kid,
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Speaker 1: I do, but I just don't think Drew Aller is
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Speaker 1: the guy necessarily even to get this team to a
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Speaker 1: national championship. But I want to dive into your team
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Speaker 1: that you follow, that you are very very in tune with,
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Speaker 1: and that is Georgia. Here. It's really amazing to me
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Speaker 1: how Georgia, because of their recruiting, because of the talent
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Speaker 1: they have, just really hasn't looked like a real true
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Speaker 1: SEC powerhouse in terms of a top five team that
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Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. I mean, they just dropped
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Speaker 1: this past week's game to Alabama and that could actually
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Speaker 1: have some college football playoff implications down the road. John, So,
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on what we've been seeing from
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Speaker 1: Georgia thus far this season and can they really be
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Speaker 1: a force within the college football playoff bracket? What are
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Speaker 1: your thoughts here?
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Speaker 3: I'm so tired of losey Dalli. I'm so sorry. It's
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Speaker 3: like Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: It's like Ohio State.
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Speaker 3: Ye, it's hammer versus nail. Georgia and Penn State are
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Speaker 3: one of the same. Yeah for like and again, the
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Speaker 3: same sort of issue applies. Kirby Smart's a fantastic head coach.
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Speaker 3: I think anybody who follows college football knows that to
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Speaker 3: be true. The problem is he has two absolute stooges
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Speaker 3: for his coordinators. Mike Bobo just because he was best
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Speaker 3: friends with him back in ninety six doesn't mean he
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Speaker 3: should be calling plays. I don't care that his son's
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Speaker 3: the center, I don't care. And Jwn Schumann's my age.
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Speaker 3: He's been at the program for ten years. What's the
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Speaker 3: point he's like Thomas mccowski from Office Space, what exactly
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Speaker 3: do you do here? And like I said, George's got
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Speaker 3: plenty of talent there. I think FPI favors Georgia a
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Speaker 3: little bit more than Penn State to make the playoff.
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Speaker 3: But like what I've seen out of the dogs, like
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Speaker 3: maybe you can win a seven and ten home game,
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Speaker 3: but like you're not going to get past Oregon, You're
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Speaker 3: not going to get past Ohio State, You're not going
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Speaker 3: to get passed. I'm not looking forward to facing go
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Speaker 3: adminislator on this season.
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Speaker 1: That's scary, right, I mean when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: offense really quick, just because you know, I've always I've
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Speaker 1: always found Georgia to be fascinating in terms of their offense.
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Speaker 1: Is it more trouble with and not that they're necessarily
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Speaker 1: having trouble, but are you finding that the passing game,
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Speaker 1: the running game is like really kind of lacking the
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Speaker 1: type of you know, panaje, I think that maybe we've
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Speaker 1: seen in the past. Is are you seeing that at all? Really?
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Speaker 3: The big thing is the reason George has got two
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Speaker 3: national championships is because Todd Monikan was our offensive coordinated
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Speaker 3: for three years. That guy's yeah, I mean, he may
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Speaker 3: he may be regretting going to Baltimore now because of
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Speaker 3: the Lamar Jackson of it all. But I will say,
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Speaker 3: like there is not really Uh it doesn't set itself up.
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Speaker 3: I mean there's there's times in the game where when
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Speaker 3: Bobo calls running plays looks fantastic. George is a its
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Speaker 3: best when we turned the football, He's got some really
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Speaker 3: interesting designs there from a passing standpoint, and the gutters, Dagan,
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Speaker 3: you can make all the throws. He's not really been
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Speaker 3: the problem.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: The issue is kind of like again, George's receivers drop everything.
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Speaker 3: There's just not really been. I mean I've been a
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Speaker 3: Georgia fan since I went there in eight Like we've
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Speaker 3: only really had three truly special receivers maybe four now
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Speaker 3: it's Zach ryat Branch, But like outside of aj Green,
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Speaker 3: Lat McConkey and George Pickens, it's like that's the part
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Speaker 3: of the team where it just I just don't trust
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Speaker 3: that unit. Like I could have had that go ahead
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Speaker 3: score with the freshmound blanking On's name. It's just it's
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Speaker 3: it's mad ning. You know, I'm done. I'm done with Bubba.
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Speaker 3: I want to get somebody else in here.
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Speaker 1: We feel that at Penn stayed a lot with certain
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Speaker 1: coaching staff members as well. But look, before we go
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Speaker 1: to our first break here, I wanted to get into
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Speaker 1: the quarterback position in college football in general because we're
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Speaker 1: always looking at and assessing this this quarterback scene, and
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Speaker 1: it changes throughout the course of a college football season.
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Speaker 1: I mean, coming into this season, Arch Manning, I mean, wow,
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Speaker 1: you talk about some guy who had a ceiling possibly
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Speaker 1: because of his last name being Manning, and boy, he
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Speaker 1: has certainly dropped in terms of favorability within the college
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Speaker 1: football ranks at the quarterback position. Marcel Reid from Texas
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Speaker 1: A and m We're certainly keeping our eyes on him.
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Speaker 1: He's been doing some good stuff this year. Carson Beck,
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Speaker 1: even from Miami. I mean, he's intriguing. I didn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: think Carson Beck would be as intriguing as he is,
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Speaker 1: And maybe NFL scouts are taking a look at him
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Speaker 1: and saying, oh, is he is he professional football material? Here,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, John, how are you seeing the quarterback landscape
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Speaker 1: really taking shape? As there are gonna be some of
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Speaker 1: these NFL teams are gonna need that quarterback help in
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Speaker 1: the future. After the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. What
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts here about the quarterback class.
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Speaker 3: I'm really glad I've got Michael Pennocks junior in Atlanta
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Speaker 3: and you've got a Jailer Hurts in Philadelphia. Yeah, this
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Speaker 3: is not this is not the year to get a quarterback, right,
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Speaker 3: and we thought it was.
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Speaker 2: It was last year.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'll try to pack unpack this as ye
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Speaker 3: as I can. Okay, I thought there was like six
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks that had like first round grades coming in. I
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Speaker 3: know you mentioned Reid. I know you mentioned Beck Reid.
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Speaker 3: I got to see him develop more as a passer.
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Speaker 3: But he's in a great situation there with Elgo as
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Speaker 3: his coach and calling Klin's like, hey go be me
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Speaker 3: at k State either. I think that works that well.
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Speaker 3: I've looked through the Carson Beck experience. He's thriving in
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Speaker 3: Shannon Dawson's offense. He's got all the starts in the world.
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Speaker 3: He'll have an opportunity the NFL. I just don't know
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Speaker 3: if he throws the most catchable ball. That's kind of
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Speaker 3: like what leads the incompletions interceptions. But again, Beck could
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Speaker 3: do what cam Ward did potentially We'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 3: As far as like quarterbacks that I thought were going
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Speaker 3: to be first round picks, I thought Drew Allen for sure.
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Speaker 3: It really comes down to like the right team at
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Speaker 3: this point. Maybe it's Cleveland. Kay Klubnick has been a
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Speaker 3: disaster with Clemson, Yes, and then honestly, Garrett Nesmeyer kind
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Speaker 3: of a complainer. I understand that he's hurt, but like
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Speaker 3: on the Matthew Stafford of Blake Bortles scale, he's probably
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Speaker 3: closer to Bortles, and that's not what you want. As
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Speaker 3: far as who may you may look at, I still
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Speaker 3: I think Lenorra Sellers is the most talented guy there
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Speaker 3: at South Carolina. Yeah, again, he made return, but Mike
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Speaker 3: Schule has been a terrible oc hire to place stow
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Speaker 3: log ends. I really like Fernanda Mendoza at Indiana. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but again, his brother Alberto is on the team, so
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Speaker 3: maybe he was to exhaust his eligibility playing for coach
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Speaker 3: sig Why not John Mattier a guy a lot of
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Speaker 3: people like. I think he's a little small, maybe injury
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Speaker 3: pron My problem is he's a little too reckless. So
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Speaker 3: if I had it, if if you had it, if
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Speaker 3: you had to tell me who I want to take.
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Speaker 3: I would take sellers, but I think Mendoz is the
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Speaker 3: big one to watch right now.
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Speaker 2: I really want to.
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Speaker 1: Get into now after this break here. You know a
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Speaker 1: team that has kind of surprised me here this season.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they shouldn't have, But I think we need to
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Speaker 1: realize that Old Miss really is a team that's on
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Speaker 1: the rise. And it pains me because of how much
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Speaker 1: dislike I have for Lane Kiffen and for so many
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Speaker 1: years with Old Miss. Man, I think they really could
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Speaker 1: make a run at the college football championship this year. John,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you believe so as well from what
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Speaker 1: you've seen. What are your thoughts on what we've seen
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Speaker 1: from Old Miss thus far? Do you think they're championship
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Speaker 1: cal burmastute material?
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Speaker 3: Here through five weeks of the best team of the SEC,
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Speaker 3: and I don't think it's close.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I know you despise Lane Kiffin and I'm probably going
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Speaker 3: to here in a couple of weeks when he comes
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Speaker 3: to Athens. But like the dudes in his bag, he's
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Speaker 3: really feeling. He's calling a lot of great plays. He's
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Speaker 3: really leveled up as a coach. He's grown up a
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Speaker 3: lot since dinner. That's kind of how he is.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but.
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Speaker 3: I will say this, what's really important is he's got
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Speaker 3: great coaches on the staff. Charlie Weis junior, He's a
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Speaker 3: future head coach. Pete Golding's approven SEC commodity there at
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Speaker 3: defensive cordator. My former quarterback Joe Cox is on the
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Speaker 3: staff too. It's again coaching matters. And I also think
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Speaker 3: with Old Miss like they have the stones to pivot
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Speaker 3: off Austin Simmons in favor of Trinidad Chambliss the fair
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Speaker 3: estate transfer. I mean, this guy was on my heisman
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Speaker 3: ballot if I had one, he'd be number two right
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Speaker 3: now behind Dante More And I think with Chamblis at quarterback,
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Speaker 3: he's giving the Rebels all sorts of confidence in all
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Speaker 3: three phases to go out there. You see the plans
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Speaker 3: defense flying around there versus Ealisu winning a crucial game
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Speaker 3: in Magnoia. And I didn't think Ole Miss to make
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Speaker 3: the playoffs this past in the offseason because they had
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Speaker 3: a very favorable schedule. I think it's them Tennessee and
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Speaker 3: Miszoo and I'm blanking on the fourth team that had
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Speaker 3: like the fourth easiest schedule of the SEC relatively speaking.
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Speaker 3: But if they go ten and two, like they can
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Speaker 3: get to Atlanta. They they've never been to Atlanta since
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Speaker 3: they've had an SEC championship. If you win that game,
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Speaker 3: you get a first round by FPI over there on
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Speaker 3: ESPN grades them very favorably. My concern with ole Miss
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Speaker 3: is the same thing I have with Indiana. I just
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Speaker 3: don't think that they recrew well enough out of high school.
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Speaker 3: They do well in the portal. And even if you
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Speaker 3: have great teams like this and ole Miss in Indiana,
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Speaker 3: you got to win three games against a bunch of
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Speaker 3: really good teams to win the playoff. And look, as
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Speaker 3: an Atlanta fan, as a Philadelphia fan, all we've all
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Speaker 3: seen teams before that were a lot of fun, but
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we knew weren't gonna
14:53
Speaker 3: win it all. The ninety eight Falcons weren't going to
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Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl, twenty fourteen fifteen Hawks weren't going
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Speaker 3: to win the NBA Championship. I mean, I'm trying to
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Speaker 3: think would be an example Affilly, like maybe the one
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Speaker 3: six series, like you gotta beat Kobe and Shack absolute
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Speaker 3: seven times through, but like Olmos has like a national
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Speaker 3: semifinal ceiling. If they get a lucky break, maybe they
15:14
Speaker 3: get to the title bout. But uh, I mean maybe
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Speaker 3: it's like maybe it goes like TCU a couple of
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Speaker 3: years ago. I'm not saying they're gonna get blown out,
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Speaker 3: but there is a ceiling there with all miss but
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Speaker 3: this is still a really good football team.
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Speaker 1: Something you mentioned and I didn't plan on bringing it up,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's so noteworthy, John, is that you know,
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Speaker 1: whether it's Lane Kiffin or whether it's another college football
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Speaker 1: program and head coach, is how the coordinators all mesh
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Speaker 1: with each other and the head coach too to then
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Speaker 1: inevitably get this productive product on the field. And I think,
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Speaker 1: like we've tried to dissect it so much over the
15:45
Speaker 1: years on this podcast platform, and inevitably, I think it
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Speaker 1: really comes down to relationships, whether it's coaching relationships with
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Speaker 1: each other, understanding and gelling and it's something you can't teach,
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Speaker 1: and then the relationship with the players on the field,
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Speaker 1: how that manifests itself I should say off the field,
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Speaker 1: and then it manifests itself on the field. Relationships are
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Speaker 1: just everything in life in general, but in the sports world,
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Speaker 1: I think it's that much more important for teams to
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Speaker 1: see success. And it's just it's always astonishing to me
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Speaker 1: how you can have coordinators and coaches who are not
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Speaker 1: successful in certain situations, but then they move to another
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Speaker 1: situation and it's like, my gosh, they are geniuses, and
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, why weren't they doing this in other
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Speaker 1: locations and other cities and other towns and other colleges.
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Speaker 1: And you say to yourself, well, it's the relationships at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day. I mean, I think that's
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Speaker 1: a big part of it. I don't know what are
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Speaker 1: your thoughts.
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Speaker 3: That's a great point the you know, Golden for example,
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Speaker 3: they wanted to run him out of town in Tuscalosive. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they thought he was the guy that brought the end
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Speaker 3: of the Saban dynasty in Great Alabama, and he's just
16:47
Speaker 3: found a much easier place to I mean, all this
16:50
Speaker 3: is kind of operating out of the zenis right now.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how much further they can go. Maybe
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Speaker 3: they'd get to like Johnny Vaught era the late fifties
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But you look at Ohio State,
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Speaker 3: like everybody thought, everybody paying the Matt Patricia higher that
17:03
Speaker 3: seems to be working out. You want to you want
17:05
Speaker 3: to settle. Most people don't do that. The problem is
17:08
Speaker 3: Brian Hartline can call plays and that's going to cost
17:11
Speaker 3: the Buckeyes potentially a chance at repeating. So it all
17:15
Speaker 3: comes down to coordators, you know, in coaching staff. I
17:18
Speaker 3: mean I wonder. I wonder with Texas, like you know,
17:21
Speaker 3: Kwaikowski's got the defense going. I don't know what aj
17:23
Speaker 3: Milby does behind Steve Sarkisian. That's why I'm not really
17:26
Speaker 3: high on Texas right now.
17:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting to think about these relationships what
17:31
Speaker 1: they mean when coaches are going from team to team,
17:33
Speaker 1: city to city, and college program to college programs. So, look,
17:37
Speaker 1: as we're as we're kind of finishing up our discussion,
17:39
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about some underrated teams, some overrated teams
17:43
Speaker 1: within the college football scene. Let's first get into some
17:45
Speaker 1: underrated teams here. I personally think that Missouri is going
17:51
Speaker 1: to be more and more of a force as the
17:54
Speaker 1: season progresses, and I think there's an argument to be
17:56
Speaker 1: made that they are actually ranked too low at number
17:58
Speaker 1: nineteen in the country. As we're recording this year, John,
18:02
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, who have been a couple of perhaps teams
18:06
Speaker 1: that have been most surprising to you in college football
18:10
Speaker 1: this year, Maybe some teams that might be ranked a
18:13
Speaker 1: little too low, maybe not ranked at all.
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Speaker 2: Who are some of those underrated teams for you, buddy, to.
18:18
Speaker 3: Bring up a great point with Missouri. Like I said,
18:22
Speaker 3: every league has like a comparative in another league. Yeah,
18:25
Speaker 3: Missouri and North Carolina State are kind of one of
18:27
Speaker 3: the same. The as soon as you like buy into
18:30
Speaker 3: Missoo or in c State, they always just appoint disappoint
18:33
Speaker 3: whenever you like, don't think anything about them. They always
18:37
Speaker 3: exceed expectations, right, Uh both. Privula has really added a
18:42
Speaker 3: lot to the Tigers offense. They're massive upgrade over Brady Cook.
18:47
Speaker 3: I think getting the head case Diva Luther Burn the
18:49
Speaker 3: third out of the out of building is a huge help. Uh.
18:53
Speaker 3: You had to overcome losing Blake Baker to LSU. That's
18:56
Speaker 3: not easy. Yeah, And I think the big question with
18:59
Speaker 3: Miszoo is like how long I'm gonna go to keep
19:00
Speaker 3: Eli Drinkwitz because there are potentially three sec jobs that
19:04
Speaker 3: could open up that he might take. He might take Florida.
19:06
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go there personally. I think that place is
19:08
Speaker 3: a disaster. He is from Arkansas. Do you turn heel
19:11
Speaker 3: in battle line? Right? The job that he really wants though,
19:14
Speaker 3: that's Auburn because he was on a Chiswicks staff under
19:17
Speaker 3: Malazon and everything like that. Also, another great coordinator in
19:21
Speaker 3: Malazon there at Florida State outside of Miszoo. I mean,
19:25
Speaker 3: they have a really soft schedule, probably the easiest in
19:27
Speaker 3: the SEC. That's kind of why I think no one's
19:29
Speaker 3: giving them the benefit of the doubt. But they could
19:31
Speaker 3: beat Bama, they could beat Oklahoma.
19:33
Speaker 2: I think, so.
19:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a team that I thought was
19:36
Speaker 3: going to go nine and three. But I also don't
19:38
Speaker 3: think I had them winning the Border War versus Kansas.
19:41
Speaker 3: And if I got to go throw another team out there,
19:43
Speaker 3: I've been pretty impressed with Memphis out of the group
19:45
Speaker 3: of five, and then in the Big twelve, b Yu
19:48
Speaker 3: is not going away. They lost Jake, they lost Jake
19:51
Speaker 3: Gretz laugh just kind of show goes to show how
19:53
Speaker 3: good of a coach Kalani Sataki is there in Provo.
19:56
Speaker 2: And I think Ryan.
19:57
Speaker 3: Silverfield's getting ready for another job. And if if not
20:00
Speaker 3: for Justin Flinte, he'd be the perfect higher there in Blacksburg,
20:03
Speaker 3: but they won't hire him for that reason.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my gosh, Well, leg let's head in head
20:08
Speaker 1: over to the overrated teams here, because look, I mean,
20:11
Speaker 1: you mentioned Oklahoma. Pretty good football team, pretty good football team,
20:14
Speaker 1: but I'm not so sure that they're actually a top
20:16
Speaker 1: five team when you take a look at this team
20:20
Speaker 1: in detail, when you look at this team under the hood,
20:22
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they are a top five team. Look,
20:25
Speaker 1: there are also folks that talk about Penn State too.
20:28
Speaker 1: I think Penn State dropped to number six or I'm
20:31
Speaker 1: number seven. I'm sorry, And you know there are people saying,
20:34
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe a little overrated for number seven
20:37
Speaker 1: in the nation at this point after the loss to Oregon.
20:39
Speaker 1: Are there a couple teams that you think are way
20:41
Speaker 1: too overrated for what they're ranked at this point in
20:44
Speaker 1: the season, John.
20:46
Speaker 3: I'll start with the Penn State of all, just to
20:48
Speaker 3: give the South away, Okay, I think I think Penn
20:50
Speaker 3: State is going to be a top three to five
20:52
Speaker 3: team in the Big Ten. They'll be ab and flow
20:55
Speaker 3: to that. I think Indiana is really good, but like
20:57
Speaker 3: if you're in that three to five range, you're in
20:59
Speaker 3: the playoff mix. I don't buy into USC at all,
21:02
Speaker 3: not really buying into Michigan. I think Illinois just got
21:05
Speaker 3: his clock cleaned by Indiana. I think I think the
21:08
Speaker 3: line I are pretty good, so I'm not too concerned
21:11
Speaker 3: about Penn State here. I think there's four teams in
21:13
Speaker 3: the SEC that are grossly over it. Okay, that would
21:18
Speaker 3: be Oklahoma, that would be Texas, that would be Texas,
21:20
Speaker 3: A and M, and that would be LSU. I think
21:22
Speaker 3: that Oklahoma. You beat Michigan like I knew you were
21:27
Speaker 3: going to. Sharan Moore is not going to win that
21:29
Speaker 3: game at his alma mater. John Mateers played well. He
21:32
Speaker 3: does turn the ball over. I understand he's hurt. He's
21:35
Speaker 3: going to miss the Kent State game. If you win
21:37
Speaker 3: red River, you know. I'll give Oklahoma their props. But
21:39
Speaker 3: they've got They've got the hardest schedule in the SEC
21:42
Speaker 3: outside of Florida. They got to play so many tough teams.
21:45
Speaker 3: Don't really trust Brint Vinables at Brent R Buckles all right,
21:48
Speaker 3: been r Buckles as good as as it can be.
21:50
Speaker 3: Like they may be able to overcome this. They might
21:52
Speaker 3: be the only nine to three team that makes the
21:54
Speaker 3: playoffs this year if it comes to that. Again. I've
21:57
Speaker 3: mentioned Texas. Don't trust arch Manning. Don't think they're going
22:00
Speaker 3: to beat Georgia between the hedges. Yeah, I don't know
22:02
Speaker 3: if they're going to bet A and M. Don't trust
22:04
Speaker 3: A and M. Yeah, I interviewed. I interviewed Jesse Palmer
22:06
Speaker 3: back in the day and he said, don't ever trust
22:09
Speaker 3: Texas A and m under any circumstance. And I've taken
22:12
Speaker 3: that to heart. And as far as LSU is concerned,
22:16
Speaker 3: Brian Kelly is kind of it's like him in Lincoln Riley, like,
22:20
Speaker 3: what are we doing Hereah? Yeah, I feel bad because
22:24
Speaker 3: they finally got a defense there, but no, Smyer is
22:26
Speaker 3: not healthy and you really need to win Magnolia there.
22:30
Speaker 3: So I will say, of those four teams in Oklahoma,
22:33
Speaker 3: Texas A, and LSU in Texas, maybe one of them
22:37
Speaker 3: makes the playoff. I would probably I'd be much more
22:40
Speaker 3: likely to take Oklahoma, Alabama and Georgia over any of that.
22:43
Speaker 1: It's interesting to it's interesting to witness what has been
22:46
Speaker 1: happening with the SEC in terms of powerhouse teams, in
22:49
Speaker 1: terms of the conference in general. Interesting for sure, and
22:53
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