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Dillon Dingler Joins Elite Tigers Company With Gold Glove Win · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kiarriens
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Speaker 1: Deckley with me as always as a man who always
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Speaker 1: leads off the correct amount off third base. He is
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Speaker 1: Cody Stavenhagen, How you doing?
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Speaker 2: Starting off with the spicy topics? I think he could
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Speaker 2: have taken another shuffle or two at the very least.
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Speaker 2: I get not a huge secondary lead. I get all that,
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Speaker 2: But you can be even with the third baseman.
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Speaker 1: Right right, I think you can far be it from
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Speaker 1: me to judge, but I think you can. And you know,
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Speaker 1: game benches and I don't have anything like riveting to
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Speaker 1: say about the World Series, Cody, but it was a
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Speaker 1: lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: You know what really upset me was bunting. Too much bunting.
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Speaker 1: How do I know that?
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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff we don't see with a J.
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Speaker 2: Hinch as the manager of the Tigers just kind of
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Speaker 2: makes you appreciate Aj even more watching the way some
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Speaker 2: other managers. Even though Dave Roberts had a million great
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Speaker 2: buttons and John Schneier guys team in the World Series,
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Speaker 2: there were some things that irked me.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you could not have driven up a
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Speaker 1: more even I guess World Series. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: all the extra endings and including Game seven and then
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Speaker 1: just like the amount of one in a million events
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Speaker 1: that you know went this way and that way, and
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Speaker 1: just like a fraction a fraction of an inch difference,
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a launch angle adjustment, and this
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Speaker 1: series is completely different. That's that's why we love the game.
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Speaker 1: So congratulations to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Graduations to the
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Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays on you know, making that far and
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Speaker 1: then you know, playing such a great world series. Tough Break,
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Speaker 1: top break for the Blue Jays. Fans are friends up North, Cody,
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Speaker 1: Tough Break.
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Speaker 2: It was an epic series. It was so much fun
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Speaker 2: to watch from start to finish. Yeah, congrats to the Dodgers.
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Speaker 2: I know they have a huge payroll, but I think
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Speaker 2: this World Series some you know, there's a referendum about
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Speaker 2: is this breaking the sport? Is this saving the sports
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Speaker 2: of testaments and teams trying to win? Obviously the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: but the Blue Jays too. It was the last winner.
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Speaker 2: I was sitting here being like, what are the Toronto
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays doing? They need to rebuild, right, they.
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Speaker 3: Didn't do that.
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Speaker 2: They kept the foot on the gas, kept trying to win.
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Speaker 2: It took more than just resigning Vlad Guerrero. It took
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Speaker 2: surprising years from the Ernie clements of the world. But
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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays have tried very hard for a very
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Speaker 2: long time to win and they finally did it this year.
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Speaker 2: And maybe they didn't have quite the talent level of
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, but they won ninety four games, They won
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Speaker 2: the Al East. They took the Dodgers to the absolute
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Speaker 2: brink in the World Series. I think there's a lot
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Speaker 2: to like about both of those teams and both of
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Speaker 2: those organizations.
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Speaker 1: Well, the World Series itself was good for baseball, and
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Speaker 1: I feel really good about the place that the game
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Speaker 1: is a If you look at the television ratings, they
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Speaker 1: were awesome. A lot of stars both obviously the Dodgers
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Speaker 1: are filled with stars, but Toronto and no slaps in
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Speaker 1: the star department either. Like I said, trying to win,
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Speaker 1: spending the win, and so I I feel really good
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Speaker 1: about the game. Just in time probably for a work stoppage.
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Speaker 2: Uh next year, we got another year before that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just you know, my mind naturally goes
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Speaker 1: that way. But anyway to some Tigers news, Cody, we
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Speaker 1: got uh an update on the Gold Glove winners.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler was, of course, ah a nominee for a finalist,
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Speaker 1: I should say for the catcher position gold Glove and
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Speaker 1: he is the winner of the Gold Glove Award in
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Speaker 1: his first full season of major league service. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: puts a nice cap on what was a remarkable season.
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Speaker 1: A remarkable guy to watch perform day in and day
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Speaker 1: out and honestly kind of overperform if you just want
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Speaker 1: to say, the sheer amount of games he had to
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Speaker 1: be in the lineup because the Tigers were, you know,
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Speaker 1: just trying to make the playoffs there at the end. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we all watched them. We all knew like he was.
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Speaker 1: He was great behind the plate. But this, this puts
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Speaker 1: him in the history books as the top defensive catcher
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Speaker 1: of the year by the the the ward of record.
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Speaker 1: I would say, so, I guess I would ask this
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Speaker 1: to you, Cody, and you got to talk to him
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Speaker 1: today after the news. Why and how did Dylan Dingler Like,
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Speaker 1: how did this happen? He gets the Gold Glove award
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Speaker 1: in his first season, you know, first full season in
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Speaker 1: Major League.
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Speaker 2: Baseball, holl. I mean through being a really good defensive
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Speaker 2: catcher and a really well rounded defensive catcher. I guess
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Speaker 2: this is a long way of getting to the point,
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Speaker 2: but I want to start here. I didn't think Dylan
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Speaker 2: Dingler was going to win this award. I thought he
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Speaker 2: was a worthy finalist, but there were two other worthy finalists.
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Speaker 2: Let's just take a look at the metrics here. Pick
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Speaker 2: what you want. You know, Alejandro Kirk was easily the
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Speaker 2: best framer and easily the best blocker, but average in
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Speaker 2: the throwing department, that caught stealing department. Dylan Dingler and
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Speaker 2: Carlos Nirvaia's, you know, kind of similar metrics. It's like
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Speaker 2: you could choose any of these guys. I wonder if
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Speaker 2: the Tigers slump to the finish line got Dylan Dingler
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Speaker 2: this award, because one thing he had on both Nerviz
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Speaker 2: and Kirk was games started, was innings. He caught over
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Speaker 2: one thousand innings, second only to cal Rally among American
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Speaker 2: League catchers. The goal gloves are determined seventy five percent
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Speaker 2: through a vote from managers and coaches and twenty five
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Speaker 2: percent through a statistical component from the Saber Defensive index.
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Speaker 2: So I think this tells you that the managers and
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Speaker 2: coaches in the game a really respect Dingler's presence, what
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Speaker 2: he brings to the game, and probably had a respect
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Speaker 2: for the amount of games played, innings caught behind the
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Speaker 2: plate because it seemed like maybe that's something that could
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Speaker 2: have tipped the scales when you had what really came
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Speaker 2: down to like a really close field. Now, it's obviously
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Speaker 2: attestament to Dingler doing this in his first season, drafted
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Speaker 2: with all the tools you could want in a catcher, right,
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Speaker 2: athletic arm, go presence. But when we talked to Dylan
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Speaker 2: Dingler Monday afternoon, he talked a lot about his work
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Speaker 2: with Ryan Sinko, starting in the minor leagues, carrying over
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Speaker 2: to the major leagues, working to improve his receiving, his framing.
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Speaker 2: This didn't happen overnight. It was years of work that
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Speaker 2: went into Dingler being able to assert himself so quickly
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Speaker 2: at the major league level.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's assert himself so quickly at the major
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Speaker 1: league level, assert himself so quickly to probably the most
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Speaker 1: demanding pitcher, UH in baseball. We're recording this as the
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Speaker 1: award nominations are being announced, so I'll just kind of
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Speaker 1: go off on a limb and say that Trek School
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Speaker 1: will be a nominee for our finalist, I should say
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Speaker 1: for the cy Young Award, So for the a cy
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Speaker 1: Young winner, perhaps back to back cy Young winner. Dylan
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Speaker 1: Dingler quickly earned the trust of Tarrek schoobl And and
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Speaker 1: by extension, the rest of the staff and uh and
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Speaker 1: by and obviously demanding manager in aj Hinch and demanding
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Speaker 1: pitching coach and Feder and the entire system. And I
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Speaker 1: know it's the Goal Glove Award, but like you look
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Speaker 1: at his offensive numbers while he put up these elite
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Speaker 1: defensive numbers, it just adds, It just adds to the
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Speaker 1: kind of the legend. Like it's actually quite remarkable and
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Speaker 1: one of the more like holy crap that happens developments
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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty five Tigers. And maybe I'll just
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Speaker 1: ask you this, like I'll give you a quick list
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Speaker 1: of some holy crap that happened if at this time
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Speaker 1: next year, last year I said these things happened, Dylan
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Speaker 1: Dengler wins the Gold Glove Award. That's one. How about
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Speaker 1: Specer Torklsen having a higher Baseball Reference war than Riley Green.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know Zach McKinstry being an All Star
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Speaker 1: Hobby Bias starting the All Star Game at center field.
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Speaker 1: So there's in schoolble presumably winning back to back cy
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Speaker 1: Young So like, wow that happened? Nominees, which one kind
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Speaker 1: of sticks out as to wow that actually did happen?
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Number one has to be Hovey Baias
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Speaker 2: not just starting the All Star Game, but he started
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Speaker 2: the All Star Game in center field. I couldn't have
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Speaker 2: even fathomed saying that sentence in spring training, just completely unexpected, unprecedented,
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Speaker 2: and then going on to be the Tigers leading hitter
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. The Hovey Buyas comeback, even though he
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Speaker 2: you know, your entire year performance wasn't stellar, he was
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Speaker 2: such a big part of this team when he had
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Speaker 2: been pretty much left for dead in the minds of
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Speaker 2: a lot of people, kind of ourselves included to some degree.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's number one surprise. The Kinstry a surprise,
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Speaker 2: but maybe you could see it. The twerque thing over
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Speaker 2: Green does surprise me. But I think Dingler's season as
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Speaker 2: a whole is right up there with any surprise outside
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Speaker 2: Bias I'm not surprised he did great behind the plate.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised he hit two seventy eight. I'm surprised he
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Speaker 2: was as good and consistent as he was offensively, because
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Speaker 2: we've just seen countless players, countless hype prospects come up
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Speaker 2: to the major leagues and struggle for a little bit,
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Speaker 2: including Dingler in his first taste to the majors last year,
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Speaker 2: where it was like, what happens if he can't hit
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Speaker 2: major league pitching? Not only did he hit it, he
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Speaker 2: hit it quite well. He led Tiger's position players in
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Speaker 2: fangrafts war. Really an amazing surprising year, and it makes
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Speaker 2: you wonder like, is this this guy like a perennial
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Speaker 2: All Star? Is he a perennial Gold Glove winner? Is
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Speaker 2: he a next star catcher? Or could he be a
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Speaker 2: regression candidate? And I don't know, but I think based
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Speaker 2: on the sample we've seen Man's it's hard not to
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Speaker 2: be pretty optimistic, pretty excited about what the future could
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Speaker 2: hold for Dylanzingoi. Yeah, I mean one thing, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if he's gonna hit two seventy eight again. I
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Speaker 2: think he's got a little more power in the tank.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. He had Uh let's see,
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Speaker 1: look at his slog. He had a seven fifty two ops,
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Speaker 1: thirteen home runs, you know, two triples. He obviously you know,
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Speaker 1: he touched on the athleticism that he has behind the plate,
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Speaker 1: that manifested itself as well at the plate and running
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Speaker 1: the basis. So I don't know, man, I like, I
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Speaker 1: try not to get like too like hypee with some
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Speaker 1: of these young players because you've just seen too many examples.
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Speaker 1: But and that's like my default. It's like, all right,
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Speaker 1: calm down, like you know, what's Dingler really gonna be?
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Speaker 1: But then you look at the metrics, and then you
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Speaker 1: look at the you know, the counting numbers. By the way,
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Speaker 1: Terrek Scoogle is officially a we're getting this live right
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Speaker 1: now official CY Young finalist, Crochet and Hunter Brown the
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Speaker 1: other two. Congratulations to them all. It just feels real.
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Speaker 1: It just feels real. It didn't feel like accidental. Uh.
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Speaker 1: The floor seems really high, which is actually kind of
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Speaker 1: funny to say about Dingler because I think we looked
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Speaker 1: at him the majority of his time as a more
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Speaker 1: high upside catcher, and we see and we obviously this
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Speaker 1: season is definitely a lot of upside, but I also
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Speaker 1: kind of feel like it raises his floor a lot
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Speaker 1: more so than even some other guys, like even when
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Speaker 1: Jake Rogers was kind of a fan favorite.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: It just it just feels a little bit more real.
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Speaker 1: And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention some of
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Speaker 1: the history associated with this. So Pudge Rodriguez obviously won
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Speaker 1: three gold gloves while wearing the Tigers uniform, as did
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Speaker 1: Bill Freehan, who won four. I have that correct. Five.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, so some elite, elite company for for Dylan
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Speaker 1: Parish and oh yes, Lance Parrish. Sorry, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the older names right now. Lance Parrish as well there
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Speaker 1: in the mid eighties, so my apology is there. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean those are those are like the post World
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Speaker 1: War two, the best catchers in Tiger's history, and now
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Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler is in their company.
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Speaker 2: Pretty cool, Yeah, incredible, Like I said, excited to see
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Speaker 2: what the future holds. We're gonna talk a little more catchers,
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Speaker 1: Seems like Dingler is the Tigers superpower from from here
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Speaker 1: from here on now, Cody and another Like catching news
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Speaker 1: Tomas Nito resigns or signs back with the Tigers for
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Speaker 1: a minor league deal with the major league invite. It
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Speaker 1: kind of got me thinking, you know, everyone really loved
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Speaker 1: having him in the system. You don't really know what
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Speaker 1: to make out of Jake Rodgers right now. You know
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Speaker 1: he was hurt and then he could never get in
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Speaker 1: the rhythm because you just had to have Dingler in
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Speaker 1: the lineup. I wonder if there's going to be I
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Speaker 1: don't know how safe is Jake Rogers C two spot.
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Speaker 1: Just this is the thought Stuft.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a fair question. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to make too much out of it. I think it's
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Speaker 2: a really good thing that Tigers were able to bring
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Speaker 2: back Nido. He's obviously capable, obviously seemed pleased with the role.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he would have re signed if he
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Speaker 2: didn't feel he had some sort of chance to compete
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Speaker 2: for the big league job. But among the most interesting
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Speaker 2: things Dylan Dingler said Monday was talking about other catchers
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Speaker 2: he watched and admired, and he kind of said, well,
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Speaker 2: number one on that list is Jake. He went on
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Speaker 2: to say, Jake had every right to be salty or
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Speaker 2: spiteful regarding Dingler taking the line share of the playing time,
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Speaker 2: and so he never was. He was there for me
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Speaker 2: all the time whenever I needed it, he said, Jake
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Speaker 2: is our leader. He's the leader, always has been. So
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Speaker 2: I almost interpreted that as a little vote of confidence
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Speaker 2: in Jake Rogers from none other than Dylan Dingler, and
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Speaker 2: a reminder why I think the Tigers will not only
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Speaker 2: tender Jake Rodgers a contract, but at least give him
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Speaker 2: every chance to stay on this team as the backup catcher.
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Speaker 2: He does a lot of intangible things, and he's still
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Speaker 2: a very good defender, probably a better definitely a better
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Speaker 2: defender than Thomas Needo. Could Neto have a little more
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Speaker 2: in the bat and maybe, but I think you're probably
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Speaker 2: going into next year expecting Dingler to catch one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty games again. So maybe Rogers and Tangibles went
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Speaker 2: out over any other small edge Needo could give you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I am I am a guy that believes
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Speaker 1: in that intangible stuff, and I do believe that it
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Speaker 1: adds value to the catching room, to the clubhouse in general,
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Speaker 1: to to your roster. And you know, you know what else,
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Speaker 1: say good competition. I think it's good.
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Speaker 2: If putting a little pressure on Jake, if Dingler's putting
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Speaker 2: a little hey, Jake, want to play again? Boom?
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Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 2: If these guys one of them has a great spring
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Speaker 2: and pressures Dingler a little bit. Hey man, sure you're
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Speaker 2: gonna play one hundred and twenty games. I'm still pretty good,
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Speaker 2: you know. I hope we see a little bit of
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Speaker 2: that from whoever ends up being in this mix.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dingler, the the the defensive ability and the
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Speaker 1: offensive upside. It's pretty good in a in a backup catcher.
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Speaker 1: So like, I'm not like inviting the you know, the
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Speaker 1: end of the Jake Rogers era, I guess, But again,
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Speaker 1: I just thought it was, you know, worth worth talking
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Speaker 1: out for a second. All right, Let's move on to
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Speaker 1: some more grander baseball news, and that is we had
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Speaker 1: nominees for the Baseball Hall of Fame from the Contemporary
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Speaker 1: Baseball Era Committee, and there was we have it on
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Speaker 1: the screen if you guys are watching on YouTube. The
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Speaker 1: ballot will consist of Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, car del Gato,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Kent, Don Maddingly, Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield, and Fernando Valenzuela. Notably,
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Speaker 1: Ebsence would be one Lou Whittaker, and the saga continues
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Speaker 1: with Lou Whittaker as to whether he will get into
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Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of fame, and I have to say
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Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a defense defeatist attitude
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Speaker 1: on this Cody. It just seems like he had his window,
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Speaker 1: he had his momentum. It did not happen to him.
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Speaker 1: I believe that to be unjust. But the longer this
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Speaker 1: drags out, the longer I just don't see it happening
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Speaker 1: for Lou Whittaker. And this is where I get on
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Speaker 1: my soapbox for a very quick second, and I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna go name some names that have similar and or
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Speaker 1: lower career war than Lou Whittaker, who right now has
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Speaker 1: the same war as Mookie Betts that obviously go up.
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Speaker 1: Lou Whitaker has the same war as Johnny Bench ever
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Speaker 1: heard of him, Reggie Jackson, Jim Tony, Larry Walker, Derek Jeter,
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Speaker 1: Rafael palmera who obviously had a Hall of Fame career,
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Speaker 1: uh Ron Santo, Gary Carter, Scott Roland, Carlos, Beltron, Tim Rains,
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Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn, John Smoltz, Eddie Murray, the aforementioned Ivan Rodriguez,
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Speaker 1: Al Simmons, Miguel Cabrera, Andre Dawson, Calvin Craig Bidding, Calvin Bigio,
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Speaker 1: Craig Biggio, Duke Snyder, Goose, Goslin. There are some historical
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Speaker 1: names that are lower. You know, it's one metric, but
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Speaker 1: it's the one that now that that is the fault
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Speaker 1: right now, Dave Winfield, Sorry, I just had to get
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Speaker 1: that one in there. Lou Whitaker had a high has
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Speaker 1: a higher war than all those guys, and I don't
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Speaker 1: even think he's He's gonna sniff the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: from here on out. And I can't wrap my head
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Speaker 1: around a great justification for it.
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Speaker 2: Cody, I'm just trying to figure out how he's not
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Speaker 2: even on this ballot. I expected him to be on
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Speaker 2: the the Airs Committee ballot and winning that vote. It's
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Speaker 2: a hard thing to do. So if he didn't get
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Speaker 2: that vote, I'm not gonna say I would agree or understand,
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Speaker 2: but I thought he'd be on the ballot.
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Speaker 3: I am.
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Speaker 2: At a loss for how Lou Whitaker is not at
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Speaker 2: least getting consideration yet again, with a seventy five career war,
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Speaker 2: higher than Derek Jeter, higher than Alan Trammell. The closest
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Speaker 2: thing to a justification I can think of for Whittaker
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Speaker 2: not being in the Hall of fame is that his
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Speaker 2: peak wasn't astronomically high he was. I don't have it
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Speaker 2: pulled up at what a four to five win player
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Speaker 2: a year and a year out for a long time. Trammell,
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Speaker 2: I guess why. Eighty seven was a real peak for him.
19:54
Speaker 2: But Trammel and Whittaker had very similar careers, and Trammell
19:59
Speaker 2: got in, Whittaker has not. Trammell would be the first
20:02
Speaker 2: to tell you Lou Whittaker should be in the Hall
20:04
Speaker 2: of Fame. I just can't believe it. The Hall of
20:07
Speaker 2: Fame has a lot of things to figure out. I
20:09
Speaker 2: know there are other people deserving as well. One thing,
20:13
Speaker 2: when I look back at this graphic, you have a
20:16
Speaker 2: problem with the steroid era. I've always said all these
20:19
Speaker 2: guys I think are eventually going to get in, Well
20:22
Speaker 2: now they're because voters didn't vote them in initially. They're
20:25
Speaker 2: clogging up spots on airs committee bots for people like
20:29
Speaker 2: Lou Whittaker, who played the game right and who missed
20:34
Speaker 2: the Hall the first time around. Maybe they weren't properly
20:36
Speaker 2: appreciated in their eras. But now Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens,
20:40
Speaker 2: Gary Sheffield have to be on this ballot. That's fine.
20:42
Speaker 2: They should be in there, and they should be in
20:44
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I think I think there are
20:46
Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know. I used to be more
20:49
Speaker 2: of a small hall guy, and I'm just not anymore
20:52
Speaker 2: because there are all these guys who aren't in there
20:54
Speaker 2: who should be in there, especially when you look at
20:57
Speaker 2: the precedent, which is the greatest argument for Louwhiticker, and
21:00
Speaker 2: you also have the best players of a generation not
21:03
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. There's gonna have to be
21:06
Speaker 2: some sort of remedy for this that maybe goes beyond
21:09
Speaker 2: the Eras Committee, the different committees at some point in time,
21:14
Speaker 2: because there are just a lot of things that don't
21:15
Speaker 2: really make sense.
21:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his baseball reference page right now. Lou
21:21
Speaker 1: would occur at thirty four years old playing second base.
21:28
Speaker 1: He had a six eight war season, didn't get a single,
21:33
Speaker 1: didn't that's not even his peak. That's at the end,
21:35
Speaker 1: like like he didn't even he didn't win Silver Slugger,
21:38
Speaker 1: he wasn't an All Star, he didn't win Gold Glove,
21:40
Speaker 1: he didn't get jack and he was a six to
21:43
Speaker 1: eight War player nineteen ninety one, at thirty four years old,
21:46
Speaker 1: and then he followed it up the next two seasons
21:48
Speaker 1: with four point seven and four point one war season.
21:50
Speaker 1: This is not his peak. This is at the this
21:52
Speaker 1: is the home stretch of his career, and we're talking
21:55
Speaker 1: about like you know, you know he didn't have like
21:58
Speaker 1: his peak wasn't high enough. Well, I don't know. Maybe
22:00
Speaker 1: his peak wasn't even his best. Technically his best season
22:02
Speaker 1: was at thirty four years old. Yeah, technically, just so
22:05
Speaker 1: based on War So I gotta take a water or something.
22:08
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense. Precedent is ruined, and
22:12
Speaker 1: you the small hall thing is done. It's done, like
22:16
Speaker 1: like you can't have a small hall anymore with Harold
22:19
Speaker 1: Baines in the Hall of Fame. So so that's that.
22:22
Speaker 1: That that that's all I have to say about the
22:25
Speaker 1: small hall things. I would agree with that in principle.
22:27
Speaker 1: It's not a thing anymore.
22:28
Speaker 2: It's not things, not a perfect metric, but it's the
22:32
Speaker 2: closest thing to something that wholly encompasses the value of
22:36
Speaker 2: a player. And if you go one war Lew Whitaker
22:40
Speaker 2: had a better career than Derek Jeter and all the
22:43
Speaker 2: other names. You just listen on Glloyd what are we
22:45
Speaker 2: doing here?
22:46
Speaker 1: Also, he was a champion, so it's not like some
22:48
Speaker 1: like wall like you know, like Ron and no offense,
22:51
Speaker 1: but like Ron Santo who kind of wallowed away in
22:54
Speaker 1: some bad like Cubs teams or whatever, like this guy was.
22:57
Speaker 1: He was a champion and like a part of some
23:00
Speaker 1: other seasons that were legendary chases in Major League history.
23:04
Speaker 1: So all right, it just doesn't It just doesn't make sense.
23:09
Speaker 1: There's not any justification of it. No one's come out
23:12
Speaker 1: and given a real justification because again I just broke
23:14
Speaker 1: down the peak argument right there. It's it's unfortunate for
23:18
Speaker 1: a guy known as sweet Lou that he is not.
23:20
Speaker 1: He's getting the opposite of sweetness from from from from
23:25
Speaker 1: the game and the contemporaries when it comes to the
23:27
Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame. So who okay, I had to
23:34
Speaker 1: get that off my chest there, Cody. In other news,
23:38
Speaker 1: the Tigers, we don't have to spend a lot of time,
23:39
Speaker 1: as the Tigers did make another front office higher, Alex Smith.
23:44
Speaker 1: I should have written down the position name but that
23:47
Speaker 1: he got. But the Tigers brought him in from the Cubs.
23:50
Speaker 1: I'm looking this up. This is bad podcasting by me
23:52
Speaker 1: so I apologize Director of Baseball Performance. Is that what
23:57
Speaker 1: it was? Strategy, baseball strategy, so vice president of baseball strategy.
24:05
Speaker 1: So just another again not a lot of not a
24:09
Speaker 1: lot of ad here, but just another sort of an
24:12
Speaker 1: example of like the Tigers bringing in guys from other
24:15
Speaker 1: successful organizations. Uh, and you know, with with ties as well,
24:20
Speaker 1: to try to you know, formulate a long lasting, uh
24:24
Speaker 1: you know, competitive baseball team. I'm a I don't know
24:27
Speaker 1: if Alex Smith's position is on signing Alex Beckman, but
24:31
Speaker 1: uh maybe we'll find out here uh here in the
24:34
Speaker 1: next couple of months. Uh, all right, anything else? Uh, Cody,
24:38
Speaker 1: you feel.
24:38
Speaker 2: About just hiring guys? You know, Smith worked with Scott
24:43
Speaker 2: Harris and Jeff Greenberg with the Cobs, as did Shane Ferrell,
24:46
Speaker 2: as did a lot of others. It's an interesting debate
24:49
Speaker 2: because people you know you've worked with, you understand their strings,
24:53
Speaker 2: your weaknesses. There's a level of trust me and you
24:56
Speaker 2: do a podcast because we we know each other, right,
24:59
Speaker 2: That's that's how that happens. Or maybe it's hypocritical. I
25:03
Speaker 2: think you got to have some people you trust. But
25:05
Speaker 2: I start to worry when you're kind of hiring a
25:09
Speaker 2: lot of people from one tree. Does that limit your
25:12
Speaker 2: school of thought? Does that limit the talent pool? Alex
25:15
Speaker 2: Smith must be very bright. He's had a lot of
25:17
Speaker 2: success rose up the CUBS organization. I'm sure he's deserving
25:20
Speaker 2: of this, of this role. But that's just a thought
25:25
Speaker 2: I had when this news first came out, something to
25:27
Speaker 2: something to keep in mind, especially as they make more
25:30
Speaker 2: hires and there's still a GM assistant GM opening as well.
25:36
Speaker 1: My thought on that is, I don't I'm less concerned
25:39
Speaker 1: about the you know, you know them and more concerned
25:43
Speaker 1: about like, do you actually or is it just a
25:48
Speaker 1: echo chamber in there? Because you can you can hire
25:51
Speaker 1: somebody like we we could bring somebody onto this podcast
25:54
Speaker 1: so we know that we would like disagree with, you know,
25:57
Speaker 1: about certain philosophies or whatever. And that's fine, but but yeah,
26:04
Speaker 1: it could be limiting. I think it's fair to raise
26:07
Speaker 1: the question. But without knowing them and the dynamic and
26:11
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, it's hard to say, but worth
26:13
Speaker 1: worth discussing. Maybe maybe he's a big Alex Begman guy.
26:16
Speaker 1: Maybe this is how you get Kyle Tucker now just kidding, Uh,
26:20
Speaker 1: we we're gonna wrap this up here, Uh, next episode,
26:24
Speaker 1: we'll do a little bit. Now that guys are starting
26:27
Speaker 1: to opt out and declare themselves free agents and guys
26:30
Speaker 1: are officially free agents, we'll go ahead and give a
26:34
Speaker 1: little bit of a free agency preview on our Friday episode.
26:37
Speaker 1: So hope you guys will check that out as well,
26:40
Speaker 1: and then go back if if you would and listen
26:42
Speaker 1: if you missed it. Our interview with Max Anderson Rising Prospect.
26:45
Speaker 1: He was a lot of fun to have on the podcast,
26:47
Speaker 1: really thoughtful, very mature, uh you know, gave us some
26:51
Speaker 1: insight into the Tigers organization and and his journey, and
26:55
Speaker 1: I found it really fascinating. Definitely the kind of guy
26:57
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