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Romy and Michele's High School Reunion with Danielle Perez · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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  Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
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  Speaker 1: best start changing it with the bec Del cast. Hey everyone, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's us, It is us. You're about to hear a
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  Speaker 1: live episode that we recorded in Los Angeles at the Ruby, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with the fabulous Danielle Perez about the movie Romy and
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  Speaker 1: Michell's High School Reunion, a movie I've never seen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But before we get to that, we're just going to
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  Speaker 1: you there. So that's all we got to plug for
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  Speaker 1: right now. Enjoy the episode. Yeah, enjoy cast. Hi, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. This is the Bathtubcast. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: If you've never heard the show before, I suppose we
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  Speaker 1: should just give you a quick primer. We talk about
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  Speaker 1: the portrayal of women in movies and how generally it's
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  Speaker 1: very bad. UM, and we use the Bechtel test as
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  Speaker 1: dumping off point. We use it to initiate a larger
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  Speaker 1: conversation about representation and if you're not familiar, UM for
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  Speaker 1: you know the people listening at home who were just
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  Speaker 1: tuning into the Roman Michelle episode as their first step flips.
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  Speaker 1: what they got, and for those of you in the audience,
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  Speaker 1: you might not know. The Bechtel test is a media
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  Speaker 1: tests that you generally apply to movies, and it requires
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  Speaker 1: that there are two named, female identifying characters who speak
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  Speaker 1: to each other and their conversation cannot be about a man.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like an easy metric, doesn't it. Well, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: most people fuck it up because men make most of
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  Speaker 1: the movies boo and they I do think that. I
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  Speaker 1: do think that, of course, the number one reason that
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  Speaker 1: movies don't pass the Bactel test is good old fashioned misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that there is a level below that,
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  Speaker 1: just below that, where it's like men who are like
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  Speaker 1: I could write a female character, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to talk to girls. How would I know how
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  Speaker 1: girls talk to each other? Better make them guys? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is worse than misogyny. I thinkwards that there's a
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  Speaker 1: branch of misogyny. Yeah. Cool, Well that's the show. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for waiting, That was worth it. I'm wearing my Crocs today.
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  Speaker 1: You look great. Listen. I was fishing for a compliment,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted to give some quick background on my
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  Speaker 1: Crocs place. Agusto. I went on a very cursed brief
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  Speaker 1: vacation with my mom in Florida in our cursed time
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  Speaker 1: share where my family has been paying like six dollars
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  Speaker 1: a month for nine years on a time share that
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  Speaker 1: allows us to go to Florida in the winter once
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  Speaker 1: every three years for five days. And we went and
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  Speaker 1: my mom and I did not do anything except go
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  Speaker 1: to the Crocs outlet, and my mom made deep spiritual
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  Speaker 1: bonds with each and every one of the employees. Thank you. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this has just turned into a braw Yeah, emotionally available,
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  Speaker 1: my mom is. But we both got matching crocs, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes we talk about like are you wearing the Crocs today?
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  Speaker 1: And today she was wearing the Crocs, so wearing the
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  Speaker 1: crocs women. Wow, I don't have any such mom story.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll text your mom and be like, can I
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  Speaker 1: mail you some Crocs to really improve your relationship. That's
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  Speaker 1: already good. Yeah, shout out to our mothers, all of
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  Speaker 1: our mothers or you know, all right, we're off to
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  Speaker 1: a great start. The show. Everyone loves us. Um, we're
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  Speaker 1: doing really well. We had to thaw our cold audience
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  Speaker 1: the week. Yeah, shall we bring out our guests? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, you remember her from our hocus Pocus episode.
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  Speaker 1: I ever heard of it. She's a hilarious comedian. Please
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  Speaker 1: welcome Danielle Perez. Hi, welcome back, come back. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for having me. Of course this is exciting. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: so excited for you to be here. I'm sad that
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  Speaker 1: I don't have crocs there. That's when I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this is such a leisurely look. It's like velvet, but
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  Speaker 1: make it house with the crocs. That's honestly why I
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  Speaker 1: felt they need to address it. It's like the disparity
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  Speaker 1: between the velvet and the crocs is so vast that
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  Speaker 1: the movie we're discussing today is and I keep wanting
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  Speaker 1: to say, for some reason, Romeo Michelle's summer vacation. That's
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  Speaker 1: not what it's called, correct, called Romeo Michelle's high school reunion,
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  Speaker 1: which is the same number of syllables. Almost there should
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  Speaker 1: be a summer vacation. Romeo and Michelle moved a yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a franchise. Well, there was a sequel, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about that. See, these are a movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's a movie. It was a movie. It far under
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  Speaker 1: my radar. This was I mean the movie came out
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  Speaker 1: in ninety seven, so I think this was like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand's Katherine Higl Like, this is like before Grays. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a maid for TV movie. Oh that's
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  Speaker 1: why I don't know about it. Okay, weird. I grew
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  Speaker 1: up without cable, so I've never seen a single television
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  Speaker 1: show in my entire life. I am to TV, Jamie
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  Speaker 1: what you are to movies. That is true. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know a bad television Okay. So we're talking about romy
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  Speaker 1: and Michelle's high school reunion. Yes, clap if you heard
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  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, clap if you've never seen it. Hell yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right with people who never heard the same people who
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  Speaker 1: have not heard our show before also have not seen
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  Speaker 1: the movies. But we're so sorry. Who turn you hostage?
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  Speaker 1: If you're okay? There's always one stray at every live show.
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  Speaker 1: I simply love it there. Yeah, Danielle, what is your
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  Speaker 1: history with the movie. My history with the movie. I'm
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with the movie. I love the movie. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it when it first came out in seven in the
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  Speaker 1: theaters with my mom and her best friend and her
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  Speaker 1: best friend's daughter who was kind of like my du
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  Speaker 1: facto best friend. H. But I was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was like twelve and I saw this movie and I
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  Speaker 1: was so in love with it. That's like, that sounds
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  Speaker 1: like the perfect circumstances to see this movie. It was great.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, because like I don't, like, I never
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  Speaker 1: watched Friends. I don't care about that was the one
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  Speaker 1: show I have seen. I've seen Friends, of course, you have, Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin would watch Friends on Netflix. Excuse me, I probably would.
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  Speaker 1: I did the worst thing with Friends, which is that
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  Speaker 1: I never watched it. But I was like eleven or
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  Speaker 1: twelve and it ended, and I taped the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: I watched it over and over as if I was
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  Speaker 1: very attached to it because I was conditioning myself to
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  Speaker 1: be an absolute fraud sure from a very young age. Beautiful, So, Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of your favorite movies. It's absolutely one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite. I love it so much. Beautiful, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what about you. I saw it a few times in
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  Speaker 1: high school, I think, or maybe I was like in
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  Speaker 1: junior high. I don't know. I saw it like shortly
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  Speaker 1: after it came out, not quite right away, but somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's, and I remember liking it
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time, but I didn't really revisit
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  Speaker 1: it after that, which was a mistake because it's a fun,
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  Speaker 1: silly movie that I really enjoy. The dance scene with
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  Speaker 1: Alan Cumming at the end of Oh my God, I
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  Speaker 1: learned that dance. I mean sister and my mom's best
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  Speaker 1: friend's daughter. It was like my de factor best friend.
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  Speaker 1: I made her learn that it's so rude. I keep
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  Speaker 1: saying that about her. It's such a thing though, because
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  Speaker 1: she's not like at the time but not anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like we're ex best friends, but it was
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  Speaker 1: like circumstance. We were twelve. Yeah, my de facto best
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  Speaker 1: friend and I ended up gaslighting ourselves into being like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're friends, and we're friends to this day. I saw
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  Speaker 1: this movie this morning. Wait, you've never seen this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I've never no, no, And it seems like for I
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  Speaker 1: mean it on every level, seems like a movie I
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  Speaker 1: was I would really love. And one of the few
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  Speaker 1: entries in Alan Cummings, you know, like entire body of
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  Speaker 1: work that I haven't seen because I am an Alan
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  Speaker 1: Cummings stand girl ever seen I've never seen this, and
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  Speaker 1: so this movie really delivered to me on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of levels. Alan Cumming is like in this movie, he's
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  Speaker 1: in it. It's I watched earlier today because I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it in years. But I realized, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like so much of my humor and like
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  Speaker 1: my love of like weird art theater people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Janine Gross, Like it's so nineties. But it was
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  Speaker 1: like I was aware of those things. Like it made
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  Speaker 1: me feel grown up, and I feel like I learned
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff just like stuck in my brain
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  Speaker 1: that didn't come out till later from this movie. This
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  Speaker 1: is an iconic movie. I mean, it's for for all
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  Speaker 1: of its faults that will spend the next rest of
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  Speaker 1: the show unpacking it is. It is, like I'll say,
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  Speaker 1: right at the top, relief and weirdly progressive to see
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  Speaker 1: female protagonists in a movie who are absolutely mediocre, because
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  Speaker 1: there's such a merry sue, like if a woman's in
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  Speaker 1: a movie and she's the main person in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: she must be perfect in every way, she must be unkillable,
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  Speaker 1: she must have a specific set of skills, but not
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  Speaker 1: ballyam niece and and like she has to be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And so to see like two female like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like idiots be and I don't know. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. You don't see that. I'm firing. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: almost every comedy is led by a mediocre man. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just appreciate mediocre female representation. That's what equality is exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: It's what did give me a mediocre everything. It's grant
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  Speaker 1: a loud. Shall they do the recap? Okay? Cat? Well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, the opening scene, We've got Romie, We've
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  Speaker 1: got Michelle. They are in their beds that are side
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  Speaker 1: by side. They are making fun of a movie. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like they're us pretty much there Jamie and I.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty I said, Gil and I are usually in
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  Speaker 1: the same same bed. Michelle has a cat. There's a
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  Speaker 1: cat present. It is it's us. Michelle used to have
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  Speaker 1: a back brace. But I know, oh my god, we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to the back brace represented. I was, I really,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know she had a back brace in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that it was only Deany who had
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  Speaker 1: ever had a back brace. That horrendous Judy Bloom book
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  Speaker 1: that makes me sick to think about. Um Hi brack
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  Speaker 1: bace girl back braces make you cool is the thing.
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  Speaker 1: But they're basically recording a Matron episode except minus the
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  Speaker 1: recording part of the Yeah, they're saying some pretty regressive
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  Speaker 1: things about it's kind of there, but yeah, so they're
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  Speaker 1: basically that's true. She gets really happy when they finally
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  Speaker 1: let her shop, shows a lot of empathy, but before
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  Speaker 1: that she's like, yeah, those shop girls are horrors too,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, yikes, watch there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on. Anyway, So they're they're best friends, romy
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  Speaker 1: and Michelle um together for ten years. They Venice Speech, California.
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  Speaker 1: Only one of them is part time employed, supporting both
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  Speaker 1: of them very brick huge apartment. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: this is the nineties of Venus Speech isn't what it
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  Speaker 1: is right now, but but the finances of this movie
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  Speaker 1: are baffling. Right. So one day, when Romi is at work,
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  Speaker 1: she runs into Heather Mooney, that's Jennine Garffalo's character, who
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  Speaker 1: is just this week softly canceled. Yeah, she was defending
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  Speaker 1: Luisi k pretty vehemently and literally quote leave Louis k
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  Speaker 1: alone unquote, which is a wild stance to take at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time. But you know, maybe by the
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  Speaker 1: time who knows a soft cancel. At the time this recording,
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  Speaker 1: she's made some missteps, but who knows, maybe she'll redeem
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  Speaker 1: herself anyway. So probably, I don't know, anything can happen,
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  Speaker 1: all your faves wrong, Alfred Malina can be on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast anything can happen? Well, the one uncancellable man, Thank god,
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  Speaker 1: we will never need to call back to this clip
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  Speaker 1: because he'll never do anything wrong. So she runs into
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  Speaker 1: heather Mooney and they went to high school together, and
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  Speaker 1: Heathery's all like, oh, you're going to the high school
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  Speaker 1: reunion and she's like, what, we didn't get an invitation,
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  Speaker 1: which does not get explored any further than that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so much of this movie would not happen if there
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  Speaker 1: were any semblance of social media, So we sort of
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  Speaker 1: just have to like, if there were Facebook, everyone would
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  Speaker 1: know what the people are doing, and there's almost no
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  Speaker 1: need to go to a high school reunion. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's probably why a lot of people don't,
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  Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, these people are doing better than me.
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  Speaker 1: Let me remove myself, right yeah, the high school reunions
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  Speaker 1: like built up to be this really huge thing that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it is anymore. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: didn't go to I mean it was like like ROMI
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  Speaker 1: having that cell phone was like such a big move
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  Speaker 1: and showing up with a with a flip h Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So and then Heather wants to know if Michelle married
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  Speaker 1: Sandy Frank that's Alan. I'm sure I could not get
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  Speaker 1: through this movie without saying every lie, annoying my friends
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  Speaker 1: with that very habit. Yes, I wanted to just take
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  Speaker 1: a survey of the room to see do the teenage
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  Speaker 1: age people look older in this movie or what hot
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  Speaker 1: American summer? It was neck and neck for thirty five
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  Speaker 1: year old people playing sixteen year olds, Alan coming being like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sixteen when Alan coming and he's in a terrific
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  Speaker 1: actor but you can see the fear in his eyes
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  Speaker 1: as he tries to play a teenager. He is soft forty.
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  Speaker 1: But then you've got justin Throw, who I forgot was
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  Speaker 1: in this movie looking sunk. Oh my god, be fair,
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  Speaker 1: mostly concealed by a hat. So okay. Anyway, so Heather
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  Speaker 1: is all like, oh no, did Michelle marry Sandy Frank
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  Speaker 1: because she had a whole thing for him, and then sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I was very much, very much in love. It was
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  Speaker 1: not a thing. Then we cut to Romie and Michelle
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  Speaker 1: going through their high school your book, which triggers this
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  Speaker 1: whole like a flashback sequence when they're like, oh, which
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  Speaker 1: group were we a part of? Were we a B
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  Speaker 1: or C group? And then they're like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't part of any group. And then um, which
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  Speaker 1: sounds kind of insult but in their cases, cool, we're owners.
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  Speaker 1: Look at us alone. They're like, there's a picture of
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  Speaker 1: like the group, and then they're just like in the
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  Speaker 1: background the background, we see Sandy Frank being in love
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  Speaker 1: with Michelle. We see is a back brace high school girl.
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  Speaker 1: Important detail. We also must mention the p y per
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  Speaker 1: the permit is is vital. It's a huge pot point.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, how do we age these characters down? What
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  Speaker 1: can we do? And then we see romy being in
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  Speaker 1: love with this guy named Billy Christensen. He's like the
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  Speaker 1: popular jock kid at school. Um, there's like these mean
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  Speaker 1: popular girls and the leader of those is Christie. She's
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  Speaker 1: putting magnets on the back braise. They have a special
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  Speaker 1: bag for it, which honestly I kind of love. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: know this is a very anti bowling time right now,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're gonna do it, go hard, be prepared.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy the use of props that spoke to me
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  Speaker 1: of like maybe Christie is in fact the loser if
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  Speaker 1: she's doing homework to bully someone good bullying is off
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  Speaker 1: the cuff, improvised, Okay, So then they yeah, so they're
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  Speaker 1: going through their yearbook. We see them at prom, Billy
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  Speaker 1: and Christie play mean trick on Rummie where she's like,
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  Speaker 1: dance with me and he's like okay, and then they leave,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: they leave Rummie behind. We also have to suspend our
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: disbelief for the entire high school sequence that like Lisa
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Kudro and MirOS Orvino are not hot. They're like Madonna twins.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, wouldn't they be the dopest girls in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: school in seven wearing mini dresses and like boss like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and then like Christie is always dressed like it's fucking Easter,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, the hottest girl in school. I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: was like, this doesn't make sense to me. You know.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: What I did appreciate is that her color was purple.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And not pink, and I was like, look at that,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that's really that. I feel like that was breaking some
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: more progress, you know, for like the head bitch, you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not to choose pink. But she's also dressed. She and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: all the popular girls are still dressed like it's Easter
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in true. But then but then the step mom from
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the parent trap is there, Meredith Blake, yes, in a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: power suit, and she's like, actually, Romy and Michelle are hot,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and then the easter women are like, no, it's crazy.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Precisely what happens when Meredith showed up. Can we talk
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: about how the last day of high school is prom
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what it's like we're not going to see anyone ever again.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: It's the last day, yeah, promise usually like two or
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: three weeks before the last day of school. It was
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: like two or three months. It's in the spring. Wasn't like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: wait when did your school end? Promise like April, April
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: or market? Yeah, I feel like it's promised after my graduation. No, wait,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: maybe the week before what. I don't know. All I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: remember so confused. I feel like problem was a good
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: two months before graduation. I don't know. But also I'm
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: thirty four years old. Brag. What I remember about my
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: problem is that I don't remember when it was exactly,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: but I do know that someone's tampon fell out on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the dance floor. Someone get loose, and then and then
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: someone procured you drop it on the dance floor. Okay,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that's how you drop it. Someone was doing some serious
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: work in prom and misplaced their tampon on the dance floor,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and then I forget like some dork had it. He
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: said he had a DNA tester at his house, so
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: he didn't figure out whose tampon it was. What he
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: did was steel a used to he sucked that tampon.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So that's just something that haunts me. Aggressive. Okay, well
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that was great. I haven't thought about that in a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: long time. This sys the have a DNA tester at
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: their house. What a wide switch? Do you think? He
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: went to school in the eighties and like no one
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: would question him on that Google search DNA tester. Oh
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: my god. That person later invented ancestry dot com. Yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: he is now the CEO of three and Me And
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: when he goes to his high school reunion, he can
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: be like, I invented DNA testing. I'm a billionaire. Helicopter.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Probably choked to death on a tampon nine years ago.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I have no idea, no idea, death by misadventure. Alright,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: so stole the damp on. Okay, he wasn't gifted it. Yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it's a different story if it we gifted to him.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: All right. So we cut back to the present and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Robby Michelle are like, yeah, we're gonna go to this reunion.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: People will be so impressed with us because we leave
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: these like awesome lives in l A. But then they're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like filling out their forms for the reunion and they're like,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, we are not that impressive. Let's try
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to find jobs and boyfriends. And there's a one of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the my least favorite, like their eternal weight loss narrative.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: They're like, in two weeks, we're gonna lose weight, get boyfriends,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and get sick jobs, and then we're gonna go to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: our high school reunion and shake our fists or whatever.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Mind you. They are already very thin, and they're like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we need to lose weight. Yeah, it's the it's really
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: more roamy because Michelle's eating that bag of Doritos. She's like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but you do think we
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: could lose a few pals, and she takes away a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: gentage bag of cool ranch Dorito's sweet sponsor there, Oh,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: shout out Robert Evans to the Doritos behind the Bastards. Okay.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So then they're like, yeah, what's the point of go
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to the reunion if we can't impress everyone? So they
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like try to like whip themselves into shape career wise
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and like partner wise and fitness wise, but none of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it works. So many great ye Romy's treadmill out It
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: really spoke to me on a lot of levels. I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: was like, where do I get it at their boutique,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: which is probably on Rodeo drive. Let's go. I love
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: remember when everything was like a math question, Like it's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: like you gotta get like x miles on a robot
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to get to town, And who wants to go to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: town with a guy who rides a robot? That was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: my internal narrative any time a guy was lay in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: high school, It's like he probably drives a robot. A
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: good burn. To this day, it still works. So then
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Romy and Michelle are like, wait a minute, what if
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we pretend to be successful and then we'll impress everyone?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: So they make themselves some business suits. They borrow a
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Jaguar from the dealership the Ramie works at what did
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I say? The car a car, not an animal? No?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I okay, you said jaguar? Weird? Did I? Yeah? What
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: does some people say? Jaguar? Jaguar? Oh? Yeah? Some people say, like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: which thing did I say? Jaguar? Jaguar? Jaguar? What is it?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Ja ja? Okay? I just need to say I know
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the difference between an animal and a car, Like, are
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they on a horse that's a Mustang? Okay, so jaguar
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: is wrong, then j I don't know what's I mean.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I know jaguar is right, but that's not to say
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: jaguar is wrong. They get an expensive car and go
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to the drive to the reunion, but on the way
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, what wait, what are our jobs going
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to be? And so they decide that they're going to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a woman asks and they're like, oh wait, we forgot
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to be specific because they really made a big deal
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: about being business women. So then they decide that they're
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: going to say that they invented post it's. But this
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: leads them to fight because Romi's like, yeah, I invented
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: post it's but Michelle, you like design them, and Michelle's like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, dude, think So then they start fighting
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: about like what they think of each other, and then
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: they're like, you're not cute, You're not cute. And then
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they decide that they're not going to be friends anymore
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and that when they get to the reunion they're gonna
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: part ways and go off and do their own thing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Then something wild that I had to rewind to make
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: sure actually comprise fifteen full minutes of this movie. Really
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the dream sequence. It's amazing, but you didn't When did
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you realize something was amiss? I hope this isn't too late.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But when Alan Cumming could fly, that's exactly because I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: was watching it because I knew that it was a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: dream sequence, and I was like, but when does it
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: really start to get weird? It was like and the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: music starts to get kind of funky. It was like
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: who because someone is like over the sunroof and I'm like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: how could you be at that? An tooby? And then
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Alan Cumming can fly and you're like, huh, true, so
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: far into the secret? Yeah, it's really awesome. It's so good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. True Alan Cumming fans know that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he can actually fly, so that didn't register. Is weird?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: For was it the Christie Ballroom with all the giant
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: posters of Christie. It was it that I didn't even
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: made to be like fruits and veged the carrots and bananas.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: The Christie Ballroom was like, oh okay, now some now
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: my the cars waiting for them inside and doors. Michelle
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Be voted most changed for the Batter since high school
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and she hasn't stepped foot inside the reunion all night
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and it's only wearing a bra. No, sir, I mean
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like that has changed for the better. This
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: speech where she's like I can't buy my top and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, where, it's great anyway. So there is
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like a fifteen minute dream sequence without the dream sence.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think this movie is future length. No, they
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: say right there, ninety one minutes minute movie of the Scholar.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with this movie, though. They loved that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: about the nineties. I loved an eighties seven minute movie,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. The thing about this movie though, is
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that there's about ten minutes of plot and the rest
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: is like dance sequences that have no bearing on the story, Like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: there's almost nothing that happens in this movie, and yet
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it is terrific. Um there's so much internal friendship. Sure,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: but like plot wise, I mean, not a ton happen,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but on a bad thing. I'm just saying like, they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: try and they fail, and then realized friendship is the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: most important thing. And then the helicopter, Oh baby, do
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you know what that's with? Heaven? It's a place on
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the soundtrack is incredible track. Okay, so then the dream
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: sequence happens. Everything's weird, but they get a lot of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it right, Like they know that Sandy Frank is rich somehow.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So then for real, Michelle and romy go into the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: reunion and they're like, hey, we invented post it and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, no, you didn't. And then their secret is
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: exposed because Heather comes and it's like no, some other guy.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And then they feel dumb because everyone laughed at them.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But then they're like, wait a minute, friendship is important.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: There were stupid that we're fighting. And then they put
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: their great outfits back. They're like, let's go out there
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and be ourselves. And then Sandy Frank shows up in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: his helicopter and he's like the only thing I don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: have in my life is you, Michelle. And then and
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: then the dance and we're literally just like, yeah, sure.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Very few actors could get a yeah sure from me
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for that kind of bizarro scary plot twist. But'm like, well,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it is coming out of Alan Cumming's mouth, so I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: guess we're rolling with it. And then we cut back
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to them in l A. They have opened up a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: fashion like a clothing boutique. Presumably do they stayed explicitly
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that Sandy like venture funded there, Yeah, they're She's like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: she's like, I feel like we can pay him back
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: this week, and she's like I think we're like two years.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he don't care. He's unhinged, and that is
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the end of the movie. Maybe you forgotten. In the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: dream sequence, they each win the medal for like most
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: change for the better, But then they each go off
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: with their like respective love interests, right, and then we
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: flash forward to seventy years later. Seventy years so they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: are ninety eight years old, and then they still hate
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: each other. Michelle on her deathbed giving romy the finger
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a beautiful moment in cinema. It's really like so great
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: because once you find out you're in a dream sequence.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, now we're just gonna turn it up
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to wratch it up. One of the weirder things about
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the dream sequence is in the dream sequence Christie has
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a career, but in the real world she doesn't, which
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: was one of the only things that I was like, Oh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was a strange time. We're only in dreams a woman
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a career, but the one who no longer hangs out
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with the A group salut. She is like an associate
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: editor for Vogue, businesswoman, elegant cream suit. It's good to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: see Meredith be able to play a hero. True, I know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: just for saying all in all, they're not bad. Just
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a year later, she is in that scene in The
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Parent Trap where they're out in the woods with Dennis
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Quaid and a lizard crawls into her mouth. What a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: wild couple of years. This is a Lindsay Lohan one. Yeah,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: she plays wife. Huh, who's like? I learned what eon
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was from her? So where should we jump in with
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: our discussion? Oh gosh, where to begin? What if we
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: were just like female friendship? Yes, queen and then left?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I mean. I do love that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like female friends, Like this movie just celebrates female friendship.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Like that's it, Like you're saying, like there isn't really
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of plot, and you just get to see
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: two women who are adults like genuinely care about each other.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that's honestly, like very refreshing, Like you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: just don't really get to see that in movies or TV.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And it's like they have this atypical lifestyle where they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like implied like by their like Lucy
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Ricky set up in their bedroom that it's like they're
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: like in it, like they need permission to funk from
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the other person U and like they're I don't know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: like they're they have like their lives are built around
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: their friendship. And then prior to this reunion coming up,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: they don't seem to be unhappy with that, Like they're
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: they have fun going out together. Even when they go
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: out to like it's like they're sort of like, we're
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: here to meet guys, but they still seem to want
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to hang out with each other anyways. Yeah, like the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: two cokes with extra cherries and it's like the bartender
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: knows that's their order. It's like okay, wait, their party girls,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: but they're like not, they're sober, they're not getting wasted,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: they're not doing anything. They just love hanging out. Like
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: that part of it I just thought was like awesome,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and then it's like the problem comes from there. Whatever
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the world they from, isn't that wouldn't think that's a
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: cool way to live. And to be fair, they should
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have like, like Michelle should have tried to get a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: job at some point. But in this world you could
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: get a five room apartment in Venice for you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: like a part time Jaguar cashier salary. What I don't know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, Michelle has rich parents we don't
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: know about is the only thing I can think of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: playing this lifestyle. I mean, maybe Michelle was on unemployment.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but she goes out for jobs and she's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like very picky and and unemployable because she keeps like
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: messing up during this She was good versa. She was
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she was like, you look like ship in that sure,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And I was lying when I said he was really
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: good at telling people they look good at like but
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that is so I feel like it's just I love
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: watching Lisa coudro Be. Lisa Coudro likes so good and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: this is like mid Friends where you can just tell
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at Lisa Kudra is dying to not be on Friends
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: for two seconds, and she's so good. I also forgot
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: how much I love Mira Sorvina. She's so good in
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: this movie. I haven't seen Mirrors, so I've only seen
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Mirrors Orvina in like one other movie that like, did
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you guys ever see Wise Girls with Mariah Carey. No,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. We'd love to do Glitter that we have
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: to come back when you can come back, We'll come
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: back for Glitter. I'm obsessed with glitter. Glitter. Mariah Carey
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: thinks none eleven is the reason Glitter did not succeed. Oh, Maria,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: not eleven is personally very difficult for her. Oh my god,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: what an icon escape? Good for Mariah carry So yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is largely about female friendship. That
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: is the crux of the movie. But then there's also
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: parts where it's like, okay, well, a big part of
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: these two many characters is that they feel their lives
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: are inadequate because they don't have boyfriends. And then by
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the end, at least for Michelle like she she ends
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: up with a guy I think we can presume I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: don't know, I mean he's in love with her and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: gives them a bunch of money to open up this shop.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So either way, it's I'm kind of all for letting
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: someone think that you're in love with them and taking
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: their mind. I'm down with that. I think that's a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: feminist message that it feels like reparations to some degree.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But maybe maybe, but I think the not thinking their
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: lives are good enough, Like that's for sure coming from Romi,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: because Michelle seems very like, Okay, I'll go along with
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: like your plan, Like sure, why not? Like Michelle is
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like fine either way, Like she's still like even after
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like their plan to make their lives better or whatever
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: goes put, She's like I still really want to go Yeah. Well,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: because Michelle she's the one that like kicks Romy's ask
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, our lives are great, and I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: always thought they were great, Like we didn't have to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: do all of this. Yes, I like Michelle is like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the loyalist, loyal friend possible, and we can get into
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: like the message that extends beyond that. But Michelle throughout
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the whole movie whenever Romy is having an issue of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: like feeling inadequate, like Michelle goes above and beyond to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: alter her behavior to make Romy happy or be inclusive
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in moments that like, I don't know, I feel like
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: if instead of when, when Sandy's like, oh, Michelle, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just want to dance with you, like Michelle's like include yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: which to Sandy is a wild challenge. But he's Allen comming,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: so he knows what to do. He just goes. He's like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I have the choreography ready, thankfully, this choreography is for three.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But like Michelle often like comical ways will include Romy
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to keep her friend happy and feeling secure in a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: way that Romy like. Not that Romy loves Michelle any less,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but it seems like Michelle is the friend and the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: relationship who goes above and beyond definitely, which I love
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: about her. And I'm also like, man, you don't have
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to do it every time. You could dance with Sandy.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But I don't even know if she wants to. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the thing is I think she. I'm just like I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: hope that after the helicopter took off, Alan commings like
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: so you're in love with me, right, she's like, no, no,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but thanks for the helicopter ride a million dollars. Do
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: we see them kiss? And then she's like happy that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't bring as big a notebook, so they probably bang.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: She feels his erection. I guess she's applying, she feels
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Alan Cumming's big old bonar. So I don't know. For me,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: it didn't seem like a sure thing that they ended
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: up together, because it doesn't seem that like that kind
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of movie, right, because the end is he's referenced in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: terms of like him investing in their business, but we
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: don't see him on screen again, so the emphasis is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: still on their friendship between Roman and Michelle. Yeah, so
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be terrible business owners like that at the end. Yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to sink are so good it was it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: almost looks like dash or something. It looks like that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: sort of venture is perfect. Yeah. Um. I would say
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the other kind of bigger issue that I have with
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: this otherwise perfect movie is that several of the plot
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: points revolve around many different pairs or groups of women
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: not getting along with each other. So it's yet another movie,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I would argue, at least where we see women just
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: in conflict for reasons that aren't clear, just because it's like, oh, well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you know, they like Brady high school bullies. So I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: think at the time this movie came out, if we
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: were to put it in context of the time it
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: came out, and I do agree with what you're saying,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this seems to be like the given for like, well,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in movies, this is what high schools are, Like there's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: nice girls and there are mean girls, and that what
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I was almost bummed out and sort of started talking
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: about it before. But like between the dream sequence and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the real sequence were in high school, Christie was this
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: mean girl, and like that is an exaggerated version of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: dynamics that sometimes exists in real high schools, and yes,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: media should be challenging those and you know, giving young
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: people different ideas of how high school dynamics can work.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: But it is a reflection of something that does happen
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: in high schools, heightened to a major extent. But during
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the dream sequence, I forget which of them goes up
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to Christie, and Christie's like, oh yeah, I'm the most
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: successful weather girl in Tucson, which felt more like the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: reality of Christie felt to me like less realistic and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: more reductive in terms of the story than than the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: dream version of Christie, because in the real version of Christie,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: she is like the popular girl who was always like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be famous, I'm gonna do all this stuff,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and then she ends up marrying her high school swee
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: sweetheart and having three kids by not that there's anything
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: wrong with that, but the movie tells you there's something
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: wrong with The movie has a really weird view about
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: motherhood where it's suggested it's actually quite nasty. Yeah, it
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: kind of suggest sorry, at least roomy. Michelle didn't get fat,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: you know, but according to the movie, uh, romy used
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to be chubby. And I was like, huh, and if
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I'll keep calling her that and it's like, what are
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you talking about? The high school dynamics in this movie
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: are dated as fuck, really really in it, and don't
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: do that much to challenge those dynamics. I'd say the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: most the furthest it went to challenge because in high
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: school everyone's focus is to like find a heterosexual partner
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and do well, and then ten years later, everyone's goal
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: is to have a heterosexual partner and do well in
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: their career, and so like nothing is really challenged there,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: except by Romy and Michelle, who are like, we're losers.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We're getting in a helicopter, and that's well, I mean
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, there's like the mean girls and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of these this kind of reductive high school tropes.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But I did appreciate they you know what happens with
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: um when they're like talking to like Heather Mooney about
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: like who they each thought they were in high school,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, everyone made someone's life a living hell,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: where like in hindsight you can like you experience it
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and you feel it this way and so that's your truth.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: But then in actual quality, it's like, oh no, it
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: seemed like you guys are having fun and you had
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: it made and I wish I was like as cool
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: as you and doing all the stuff that you guys
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: were doing. And I think that's like a very real
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: true thing. And then she's the Heather Mooney character is
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: very pleased when she finds out that she has made
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the Toby Walter's character's life of living. How the Cameron
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: about her Time's character right, She's like, oh, hell yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: if I was a horrible wretch to you, and that's great.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Um just to go back to the how the movie
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: views like motherhood really quickly, it's this like weird idea.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It suggests that like women who choose to be mothers
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: have given up and or that they also can't have careers.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Like it's this weird. I feel like it feels like
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: left over from second wave feminism kind of thing where
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's like the focuses on women having careers, which is amazing,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but it's almost like women can have careers and if
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you choose not to have a career, Like it's not
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: a very inclusive view. It's progressive and yet also in
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: his main to mothers that the world requires. Because then,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like Christine even says, the line is something like she's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: saying this about the Lisa Luter character, who's like the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Vogue editor. She says something like such a great out
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of it. Um. She says, like unlike a certain ball busting,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: dried up career woman. We know we're all happily married.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And then like Lisa's like, yeah, keep to keep. So
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's right, it's like this, we yeah, that was not
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: handled especially well. It's very nice. Those are the only
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: three mothers we see like the same amount of friend
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: they're all the same amount of pregnant. They're all the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: same amount of bitchy and rude. In me, that's it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: That's They're all dressed like it's a star. It's crazy. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And then at the end, I didn't like the last
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: beat for the Christie character, where like her dress blows
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: up and you see her pregnant stomach and everyone's like
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: from their helicopter her, this is a bit much she
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: because well, where the Christie character ends, and like the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: popular girl characters are dealt with very weird and not like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: not super thoughtfully. I feel like it's almost just like
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a cookie cutter idea of who a popular girl is,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: which I thought was challenged in the dream sequence, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: then they were like, no, actually we didn't want to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think about it. And at the end, in like the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: last ten minutes of the movie, you get a very
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: tragic u setup for what's going on in Christie's life
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in her marriage, where I'm like, I don't think she
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like she put yeah, she put magnets on your back.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. People did that to me too, and I
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: wouldn't wish this on them. Like where her husband, popular
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Bobby comes up and it's implied that like he's not
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: as like conventionally hot as he used to be. And
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: he comes up to Roman and he's like, my wife
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: lied about my job. He got married to Christie. He's like, no,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't dry wall, old man do drywall
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: for her. That's just like what does that mean? And
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: but then he's like, yeah, and I cheat on her
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: all the time, you know. He basically is like Christie's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: life is a sham and I don't care about her
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and I want to cheat on her now, and then
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: we still are supposed to laugh at her at the end.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I felt so badly for it supposed to be this
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like cathartic moment for Romie where she's like, oh, I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: get to do to Billy what he did to me
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: by like leaving to Yeah. I guess the thing is
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: it's like he never seen like he was never like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: any sort of real, fleshed out character. He was supposed
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to be the subjective hot guy in high school, and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, he just looks whack, Like he's not
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: even that hot. He's not like Alan coming in high
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: school would bang, you know god, And he's attentive, right, yes,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Alan coming in the dream sequence where he classics. He
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: looks like Christopher wa was your presence. He looks but
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: like Michelle is like, oh you picked a great face.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You're so dreamy. But he is truly frightening. Okay, he
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: looks badly rendered. It's so wonderful, but yeah, or express character.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: But like, what is the deal with Bobby being like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the hottest guy in school. He's not that hot, He's
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: super dumb. It's like, why did she even like him?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, we all made horrible mistakes, but the fact
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that Romy is still so hung up on him that
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: feels like a weird choice for that. Yeah, it just
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like doesn't seem like the best. It's like they're like, well,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: how much can we make go full circle in this movie?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: You know where? I think if this movie came out now,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think what the writers might do is instead of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: them laughing and pointing at Christie at the end, Romy
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: would tell Christie and then and Christie would be like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new and go to night school.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And then she would also get on the helicopter and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: then all the with the Regina Hall would be there.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It would be incredible. So you felt a little to
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: me like the end of Jurassic Park when they all
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: get on the helicopter away from the dinosaur island. Anyone else? No,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: is that how that movie ends? I forget? And then
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and then Sam Neil is like, look, pelicans, they're just
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like dinosaurs, or that's what dinosaurs evolved into or I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. Did you create a cinematic moment? Did you
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: know Sam Elliott got a star in the Walk of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Fame this week? Nope, he's in a star is born.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: He's the old Yeah, his only and they gave him
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a star anyway for him he was snubbed anyway, star star.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Another thing that I found to be not so great
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: about this movie is one of the things that like
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: temporarily breaks up their friendship is them being like, you're
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: not cute. No, you're not cute. They're like arguing over
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: how each other looks, how Marian who's the road up?
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. That's a real thing. We were
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: arguing today about who's the Roman, who's the Michelle. Yeah,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: let's just let's just ask. I've got a crowd. Okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: clap if you think that me Caitlin is romy and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that Jamie is Michelle. Clap if that's what you think. Okay,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: oh this might be tight clap if you think the opposite,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that I am Michelle and that Jamie is romih it
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: have it. Well, there you go. I do identify as
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a Romie, So I identified as a Michelle. I'm pleased
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: with pleased with our fans know us. So oh man,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I do feel a lot of relief after all, right
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to the one person who was wrong. Now I'm kidding
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I show anyway. So yeah, that's that's a weird moment
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that I don't think if this movie was like came
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: out today, I don't think they would be like, you're ugly, No,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: you're the ugly one. Like think it would be very
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: They don't say you're not cute, it's just who's cute? Yeah,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: And I think it would be like or it would
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: be more thoughtfully addressed, because I mean, I think that
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I had a note about that too. But it's like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the I don't know if we're operating on the idea
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that it's like the high school reunion and the ideas
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: within the reunion that gets between them. That argument makes sense,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: but the fact that it only goes and I think
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: if it was written now it would be about their looks,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: their career. It would be about the three things they
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: were worried about, and not just like who's hot, who's
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: not like that sort of thing. Like it would probably
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: be a more thoughtful discussion of like I mean, they
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: barely they only mentioned that Lisa Kudrow has never worked
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a day in her life once. Well, they do. She
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: used to have a job. She used to have a job.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: She was a sales probably carries her, that's right, So
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: then that explains a lot of romy's like, Hey, like
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm the one that invented post. It's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: okay because I pay the rent, which is fair. But
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: then Michelle is the one that always gets us to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: day elce first again, very true of our relations You
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: pay my rent, yes, and no one asks me to day.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Um. Yeah, I think that that's
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: like something that does happen can happen in like real
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: friendships where it's like you kind of you get into
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: these roles, you know what I mean, someone's always maybe
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the leader more and someone goes along with the ideas,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I feel I feel like they're the relationship
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: dynamic is I mean, I found it to be very relatable.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But the fact that, like one of the main things
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that they argue about, to the extent that in their
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: dream sequence when they're seventy years older and still hate
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: each other, they're the thing that they're still beefing over
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: is no, I'm the Mary. So I feel like I
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: get it if like that is like maybe a sentiment
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: that people have in a in a friendship that they're
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like maybe self conscious or you know whatever. But um, yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that that's, like, I would say, probably the
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: main thing that the argument is focused on, where they
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: do bring up like yeah, I carry you, like did
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it da this and that, different things about their kind
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of professional lives and stuff like that. But the fact
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that that is the main thing, it's very and I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: think that that is like you you can boil down
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: most critiques of this movie to like, yikes, thrilled it's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: no longer seven, for example, but I'm not grateful it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen either, So what do we do. One
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: of a few of the other you know, nineties seven
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: based issues that this movie has, there's that there's that
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: queer phobic joke made by Lisa Kudrow at the tippity
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: top of the movie, like it's essentially a no homo joke.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: When they're dancing at the club. When they're dancing, right,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Romy says something like, I swear to God sometimes I
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: wish I was a lesbian, and Michelle says, well, do
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you want to try to have sex sometime just to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: see if we are? Rami says, yeah, right, Michelle, just
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the thought of having sex with another woman creeps me out.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: But then then there's a beat and then she says,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: but if we're not married by the time we're thirty,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: asked me again, this is which all over? I mean,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that's like essentially like the plot of like my best
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: friend's wedding, right, Like, is it if we're not married
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: by the time we're thirty? That's Mary each other. That's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: a movie that's my best friend. You guys haven't done
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: my best friends. I am shocked. It's crazy that I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that movie and yet I've seen I now
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: pronounce your chucking Larry. That's let's never do that. Let's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: find right now. I never see that movie. I would
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: love to see if Paul Blart mall Cop passed the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: back del cast, we do can we do Blart March
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: on the Patreon Sure, okay, both both Blarts O Paton.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: There's two right, it's or something. I don't even want
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to know how much money that movie fucking made. O
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Blart March you look out. I would also say that
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: there's some like the way the movie handles race is
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: also a very again there is I would I think
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: there's black Warren plays, Yeah, all the guys. Yeah, I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: would do that. I would just yell that at my sister,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Just yell at ROMI. You were looking at what is
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: rough dumb troll? Right? So there like the only the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: only person of color in the movie that has lines
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: is this like creepo like predatory guy who's constantly harassing
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Romie at work. There's a fuel. There's there's a few
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: people of color who have lines, but they're all they
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: all work as mechanics at the job we do. We
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: see them talk even well, they're really just they're going
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: like oh that's my boy. Oh yeah, They're like, oh
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: he's really doing it. They're like listening to like, okay,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: it's a futured extra. Their men are their men here,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: their money here. You knew your coworker was banging someone
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: at work, would you excitedly creep up to the doortal
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: with they all, but have a tin can right there?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: That scene is like weird, but it's it's like there's
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: an easy a vibe to that whole scene, which was fun,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: but then it's also like, okay, it's another example of
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: what's not smoking work but near oil when yeah, you
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: work in the mechanic, like have a lit cigar. That
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: scene is interesting because it's like she dresses up all
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: you know, sexy, and she's like, I need a jaguire
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: is how I would say it. And um, so she's
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: like kind of intending to flirt to like get her
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: way into it, and then he's like, well, what's in
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: it for me? And then she's like, I'm not going
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: to have sex with you, so like to some degree,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: she's like using like a slight bit of her sexuality
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: which manage of his crush on her before that. That's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the thing is like, it's the same thing as taking
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Alan Cummings venture money, Like it depends on your personal
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: code of what what you want to do that I
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take Alan Cummings money. Just like that also means
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: it's like they need a man the help of a
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: man to get what they want. But then also it's like, well,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: but it's set up in a very specific way. I
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I do, I do see what
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you're saying. And then also the fact that like the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: only non white people we see like work at the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Jaguar dealership. Or there's like one very brief part of
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the high school reunion where Lisa Kudros talking at a
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: group of people of here and they're the joke is
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that they are not allowed to respond. It is like
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the Asian kids that went to school that don't have names,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: don't have any backstory, and she just talks at them,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: so they either is the joke that they don't stand
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: what she's saying, is that that just what it's supposed
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to be. That doesn't make that doesn't make any sense
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: because they went to high school in Tucson. That joke
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: was weird and insensitive there. And I mean I I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: was reading back most of this stuff I saw in
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: my research of like criticism done of this movie, which
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: inn was largely uncritical. What a fun romp, and they're
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: not wrong. It has like a seventy six round tomatoes though,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: which is hating on it. Yeah, probably rodri Ebert, that motherfucker.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I read the movies. Roderi Ebert, Rogerie Aubert had some
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: deep seated issues, but anyway, value of the dolls too.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: He didn't understand He didn't understand anything that wasn't men.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: But anyways, a lot of what I read was written
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: less than two years ago for the twentieth anniversary of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: this movie, and reading some of the more modern criticism
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: of it is interesting. And there was one piece specifically
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I read that was published in Bitch magazine. Never heard
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of it in two thousand seventeen. That was a point
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  Speaker 1: that I hadn't really thought of during my viewing of it.
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  Speaker 1: But the the whole thesis of it was that this
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  Speaker 1: movie is built around the idea that like, white women
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  Speaker 1: are allowed to be mediocre, and that is like a goofy,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: funny joke, but if you swap anyone else out, it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: becomes a joke that mainstream America probably couldn't have accepted,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. Well, Lincoln, I really killed
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the room on that. I'm just pondering the mean, isn't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I mean the Harold and Kumar movies. I have only
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: seen one but like the one that you go to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: white Castle, but it is that it's a stone Stoner
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: so it's a little different. But it's like they're just regular.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Do they have impressive jobs? I feel like I don't
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: remember what if they were fortunate, but also like what
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: is an impressive job? You know, like let's redefine what
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: that means. I know, I do think it's really refreshing
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that they are so unremarkable, you know what I mean.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I think that thoughts. I don't know, as someone who's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: like a girly girl who has local fries is like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: a lot all that ship. I really do love that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: they are fully just dizzy girls that get by some
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: figure out how to survive. It's funny, it's refreshing. I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think I hate that like women have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: to be like exceptional to just be thought of as competent.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: You know. That infuriates me. So it is I think
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: nice to just see but that's what the real you
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: not that they're real people. But it's like, not everyone's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: going to be like a straight a student and go
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to grad school screenwriting from Boston University. Sorry, some women
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: are just like okay, that's right, and they both accept
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: each other and love each other, but just I think
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the greater and more important thing is that there's genuine
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: like friendship and support there and for sure expectations of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the world that bring in the conflict. I would say though,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and this isn't really a criticism, but it was just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: something I noticed that is that they are both like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: very stereotypically like hyper feminine in their you know, appearance,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and their behavior and their interests and stuff like that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Like we don't know that much about them aside from
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: they love fashion. They love you know, wearing unique outfits
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and fun, frisky subcolor. It's so weird that they're just
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where everyone keeps. This movie
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: gaslights you in a number of ways, whether you're like
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Lisa Kujo and Mirosorpono are, and that their outfits, well,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: that they think that about them, that they in high school,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: everyone's like they're like and they everyone they're confusing. That
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: is bizarre. Yeah, And that their clothes are stupid when
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: we all know that their clothes are. But then like
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: they think about themselves that they need to lose weight,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: and one of the things are fixated on is like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: weight loss and stuff like that, which is like again
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: for a very stereotypical I feel like the kickboxing. So again,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: like this isn't a criticism, but they're just like very
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: hyper hyper feminine. Who wrote the movie? How did this
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: even happen? It is written by Robin Schiff, based on
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: a play that she also wrote, directed by a man
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: David Merkin Is. I'm sorry, icon, I don't need to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: know anything else about him. His last name is market.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Just make sure I didn't miss this. I'm gonna go
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: on IMDb. David Mark, Right, okay, direct, Okay, So yeah,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, do we have any other final thoughts about
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the film? I don't know. I mean I can't think
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: of Cameron Man. Yeah, set that was really I love
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that she was like, please don't tell me to go
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: fuck myself. It really hurts my feeling. I mean that's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: so real and vulnerable. I know, like she's like, clearly
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of therapy, worked on herself,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: worked it out, She's done the work. She's sending boundaries
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: creating an expectation. I like it, like I I mean,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I would assume this movie paved the way for a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: lot of other like because this movie is like very
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: well loved. It was loved when it was when it
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: came out, which never happens, especially like a female lead
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: major comedy movie like that. It broke a lot of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: barriers in many ways for all of its fault and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: just a mediocre female friendship you don't see anywhere, even
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: in an era where I feel like now we're getting
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: more female representation than in past years, but there is
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: still like that symptom of the Mary Sue of like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: the women who are allowed to be the leads and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: movies are superheroes or they're perfect, you still can't be
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: like a fucking idiot like I just true progress is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: female idiot representation and this is it, and it's it's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: great and pure and like very I don't know, I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: really like this movie. I will say that it is
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: yet another movie with a female leader, in this case
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: to female leads that ends in like a formal social event.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Usually it's a wedding, a prom, a ball. This, I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: would say, so it ends in their store. But a
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: big component of this movie, I would argue is the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: reunion expand well, let me it's different from those like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: the typical examples of it being like a wedding or
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a problem, which is what it usually is, but it's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: still I feel like female centered stories feel like they
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: always have to end in some sort of like big
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: formal social event because that's what women like to do.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: The only thing I would say there is that reunion
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: is less of a gendered semal events where everyone's whipping
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: there dick out real or figurative, putting it on the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: table at their reunion saying this is what I've done. Yeah,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I think if it ended, if it truly ended at
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: the reunion and they go in the helicopter and that's it,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Like I would be down with that. But it's like,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: but they have their store to become the successful business
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: woman that they set out to be to be. Yeah. True,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I mean for a pair of mediocre dumb dumps. They
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: sure their girl bosses now the girl bosses. Girl bosses.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: They had a trouble term giant baby that curses and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: says it a lot. Barolo said that character. That character too. Yeah,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that they like help each other out instead
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of like continuing. They're sort of like an she has
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: friends now she raw dogs, Janine raw dogs the boys.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: So that's always good news, you know, that's raw dogging
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: in the field. Yeah, usually good news. Usually how optimistic argue? Usually,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I guess there's no way to say without revealing too
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: much on my personal history. Should we take any questions
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: or comments from the crowd? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm time.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: What do we miss? Yes, I am what's your name? Differently,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: let's fight. Um. So, as soon as we saw a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: feminist icon cat eating junk food on the couch, we
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: got very excited for a potential cat Facts with Caitlin.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: So I was hoping ed Coard request that citer. It's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: a Michelle. She's flipping through the magazine. She's like, I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: don't understand how models work or magazine. And then in
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the background it's eating cake. The cat it's like a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: piece of They're fine with it because what yeah, it's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: note are eating our jellybeans and nothing else. It seems
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of great product placement. There's a whole
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: shot where you're just like, we've just made dollars, but
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: you're right, there is a cat in the background. Um,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: that is eating cake. And just in case anyone was curious,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: cats do have eight nipples. It's a cat Facts with Caitland.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Although I recently learned that that is not necessarily true.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Sometimes cats Wow, sometimes cats have a cat alternative facts.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: It's this is please represent cats. Sometimes cats have as
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: few as for nipples or as many as ten. Apparently,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: so I've been wrong the whole time. Got an average
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: of eight. I believe, shaken to my marrow. I know
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: any other question comments, Let's discuss whether or not the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechdel test. Yes, it does in the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: very first scene, in the very first lines that are spoken,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: like Rommy and Michelley are talking about pretty Woman and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: how the sales women in that movie are whores. So
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: it's maybe not the most progressive passing that we've seen.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: But I also think that there's a sub pass in
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: that scene where the scene and pretty Woman is also passing. Yeah,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: perhaps as a new do we do the sales woman
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: have actual names? That's what I was going to ask.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've nervous, very Sue. Wait, what when
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the man is like when she goes to the shop
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: where they do help her, He's like, very path very Sue,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: help this woman, hid her, this woman? But do they speak?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I would imagine I think they do because they're having
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: some sort of conflict in the story's like go get
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: me this shirt and then that's and she's like, okay,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: that's that would be a pass. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: first double pass, and then several of the passes are
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: also Janine Gruffalo telling Toby to funk off. Um, but
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun dynamic, a lot of those scenes
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: do pass, a lot of the conversations do pass. And
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's a hard yess. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's write
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale. Alright, nipple scale nip Okay,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: well it has the nipple scale change now that we
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: have this new cat fact. Oh my god. Yeah, anywhere
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: between four and ten nipples, or we can stick with
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: the old one, which is to rate to the movie
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: zero to five nipples based on its portrayal and representation
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: of women. Um, I'm gonna go with three, I think
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: for this um because is while it is it's you know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: it's a celebration of female friendship. Always loves stories like that.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: There is still a lot of like antagonism among different
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: women in the story. And you know, the way that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the movie handles queerness and race is not well. And
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: also there's that weird incest joke where she's like, yeah,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: you lost your virginity to your cousin. I wouldn't brag
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. So it's like again like the very
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Liken based attempts at humor that are generally regressive, but
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: the female friendship aspect of it and the fact that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: they even though they're like feuding for a little while,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: feud a show that at the Golden Clothes bluster. So
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: the feuding for part of the movie, but there you know,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: their friendship is pure and beautiful. Um and I love it.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: So three nipples and I will give of them all
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: to the unnamed orange cat who eats cake. I'll go
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: through on this one as well. I agree with with
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: what you're saying where there is definitely some dated dynamics
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: between some of the female groups that I think could
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: have it wouldn't have been that hard to resolve or
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: at least subvert a little bit. I feel like there's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: not really much subversion done with the high school dynamics,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: where it's one thing to present like popular girls not
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: popular girls, and then the way they interact with each
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: other ten years later could be telling or or reflect
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: something about how people grow over time. But this movie
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't really go for that, and in fact ends on
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: a joke making fun of a pregnant woman. So that's
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: not great, you know, it's it's I mean, yeah, it's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a very white movie. It's some and sometimes I couldn't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: tell Miras Orvina and Lisa Gudreau apart that was I'm sorry,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: but but it is confusing and but mediocre. Female representation
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: needs to take hold in culture. That's the marker of
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: true progress when non exceptional women can be in charge
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: of a movie and capture the hearts of millions without
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: being punched down at all the time or made a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: mockery of. I think that's great. Also, back brace girls,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, I if you've read Danny by
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Judy Bloom, you'll know that seeing a back brace girl
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: that's not Danny is critical and Alan Cumming is awesome.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: So I include that in my representation of women's score
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: three nippies and I'll give one to Romy, one to Michelle,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: and one to Alan. Five because I'm a stand Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it's problematic. Everything is problematic. It's funny, it's a beautiful movie.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: She's she does the which guy? Will I have sex?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: With at the real end in a movie. It's amazing
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: someone wrote it down and then they spent money shooting it,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: lighting it, sounding it. I just I love that it's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: so girly and that they get to be so girl
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: and unapologetically so like very Also, was anyone getting thumb
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: and Louise vibes when they're like driving through the desert
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: in a convertible they're scarves on their heads? What a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: homage I love? I was thinking recently, I was like,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: what if we tried we were on YouTube and we
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: tried to do the thulm It and Louise challenge? Or
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: did you just drive off a cliff with your friend?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: But no, it's I'm gonna make it happen that the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise child. It's a good idea I tell
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to anyone you hate I So hope that catch us
• 1:17:08
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• 1:17:13
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• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: great night. Thanks for coming by. Hey real quick. Yeah,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: it's something we didn't mention during the live show, but
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I think it is worth mentioning. Definitely is the mirror. Serrino,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: who plays romy in the movie basically got blacklisted in
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Hollywood by Harvey Weinstein for a while. Our king j
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: k him straight to hell. Some of the reading that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I had done said that he sexually harassed her and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: then told Peter Jackson to not consider her for a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: role in Lord of the Rings. Awful, terrible, but I
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: would you know, I hate Lord of the Rings, so
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: for me, that works out. But she did not deserve
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: any of what she got. Um. Also, she had worked
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: with Woody Allen in a movie that earned her an
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: oscar shortly before shortly before Romey and Michelle, and then
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: she later apologized to Dylan Farrow for having previously praised
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: his work and for kind of ignoring Dylan Farrow and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: the things that she had been saying about Woody Allen.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Mirror Servina tends to be on the history yes, in
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  Speaker 1: every way, So tip our hat to her and uh yeah,
• 1:19:03
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• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you next time.