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Sharri | 18 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening tonight, the real story behind
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Speaker 2: our emissions reductions levels, the Albanezy government accused of.
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Speaker 3: Cooking the books.
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Speaker 1: My report in.
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Speaker 2: A moment, and Matt Canavan, David Little Proud and Warren
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Speaker 2: Hogan will be here to discuss. Also on the show,
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Speaker 2: how King Charles has done more for Orcus in a
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Speaker 2: single sentence than the Prime Minister here has during his
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Speaker 2: entire time in office. And global Jewish groups make an
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Speaker 2: eleventh hour plea not to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: Alex Riften will be on the show.
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Speaker 2: But first to the major news today that the Albaneze
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Speaker 2: government has set an emissions reduction target of sixty two
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Speaker 2: to seventy percent by twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 3: That's in just ten years time.
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Speaker 2: Right now Australia is technically theoretically at twenty seven percent,
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Speaker 2: but this figure is inflated and it's actually closer to
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Speaker 2: three percent.
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Speaker 3: I'll explain why in a moment, but.
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Speaker 2: First here's Alban Easy and Chris Bowen today arguing their
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Speaker 2: case for an emissions reduction target of sixty two to
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Speaker 2: seventy percent.
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Speaker 4: This is a responsible target back by the science back
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Speaker 4: by a practical plan to get there and built on
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Speaker 4: proven technology. So right target to protect our environment, to
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Speaker 4: protect and advance our economy and jobs, and to ensure
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Speaker 4: that we act in our national interest.
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Speaker 5: Our target sitting process is the best, most rigorous in
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Speaker 5: the world, set out by the Climate Change Act that
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Speaker 5: this government put into place. It makes clear what the
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Speaker 5: Climate Change Authority must consider and makes clear what I
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Speaker 5: must consider in considering their advice.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition immediately launched its attack, arguing the target is
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Speaker 2: too high and will not be met. Opposition leader Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee even described it as a fantasy.
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Speaker 6: We are dead against Labour's twenty thirty five interim emission
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Speaker 6: reduction targets.
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Speaker 5: You've been get through by twenty fewty.
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Speaker 3: You also woefully model.
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Speaker 6: Our energy policy is going through a detailed policy development process.
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Speaker 6: That's our energy policy. More broadly, targets must be achievable
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Speaker 6: and realistic and these are not.
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Speaker 2: And Susan Lee made it clear that the Coalition party
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Speaker 2: room was unanimously opposed to these targets that can't possibly
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Speaker 2: be met and that might destroy Australia in the process.
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Speaker 2: And this is where the debate will be, not whether
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Speaker 2: or not emissions should be reduced. Susan Lee said today
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Speaker 2: that reducing emissions is important. Both sides agree on that
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Speaker 2: the debate will be around the cost of the government's
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Speaker 2: targets and there needs to be an honest discussion. But
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government is not being on The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: refuses to reveal the cost to taxpayers of this highly
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Speaker 2: ambitious target, and he still claimed that electricity prices would fall,
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Speaker 2: and he was laughing about the fact that his promise
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Speaker 2: of two hundred and seventy five dollars power bill reduction
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Speaker 2: never came to pass.
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Speaker 7: As the USA, this will put downward pressure on energy
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Speaker 7: prices by.
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Speaker 8: What exact be.
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Speaker 4: You yourself laughed when you asked that question, So it
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Speaker 4: should be treated in the way, in the spirit in
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Speaker 4: which you've done well.
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Speaker 2: That's not good enough many Australians naively in my view.
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Speaker 2: But many Australians voted for alban Easy because they wanted
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Speaker 2: cheaper bills and more affordable cost of living. And he's
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Speaker 2: never apologized for the broken promise that he made some
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Speaker 2: ninety nine times, so I'm not sure why he's laughing
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Speaker 2: about it. So the political debate will now center on
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Speaker 2: the cost that trying to meet these targets will have
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Speaker 2: on business, industry, farmers and families. Now, even the Government
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Speaker 2: Friendly Productivity Commission is demanding that the government release publicly
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Speaker 2: the costs of its targets. The Productivity Commission Report and
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Speaker 2: the Net Zero Transformation dated August twenty twenty five recommends
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Speaker 2: the government introduce.
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Speaker 3: A way to calculate costs.
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Speaker 2: It's calling it TCCV and it says, and I read
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Speaker 2: this in the report today, and it says, and I
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Speaker 2: quote estimates of the implied carbon prices needed to meet
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Speaker 2: emissions targets and are determined using information about potential opportunities
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Speaker 2: to reduce emissions in the economy. And the Productivity Commission
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Speaker 2: report states that while cost estimates are uncertain and they
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Speaker 2: can change, they argue it's better for the government to
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Speaker 2: provide the cost then not to do it at all.
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Speaker 3: Here's what they say.
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Speaker 2: The estimates should also be updated every few years as
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Speaker 2: more information comes to hand about likely future emission reduction
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Speaker 2: costs and as new interim targets are accounted. Again, this
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Speaker 2: is the Government Friendly Productivity Commission. It is saying the
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Speaker 2: cost needs to be transparent, and they even provide a
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Speaker 2: graph of the future costs of reducing emissions, and it's
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Speaker 2: a horrifying picture. In the low estimate scenario, it had
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Speaker 2: cost one hundred and fifty dollars per ton in ten
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Speaker 2: years time. In the high estimate scenario, it had cost
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Speaker 2: three hundred dollars per ton of CO two in ten
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Speaker 2: years time. Now, to put that into perspective, Julia Gillard's
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Speaker 2: carbon tax was just twenty three dollars a ton for
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Speaker 2: Australia's five hundred heaviest polluters. The government can't seriously get
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Speaker 2: away with pretending that these ambitious targets can be met
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Speaker 2: without substantial cost. Now, the bulk of our emissions come
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Speaker 2: from four main areas electricity, vehicles, industry and agriculture. To
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Speaker 2: achieve the targets the government announced today that they're aiming for,
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Speaker 2: it would require a massive upheaval in each of those
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Speaker 2: industries that'd likely be carbon taxis sector bisector. There'd be
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Speaker 2: much larger subsidies for renewables and the cost of this
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Speaker 2: would ultimately be worn by taxpayers. For industry, the government
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Speaker 2: would have to raise the safeguard mechanism and bring in
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Speaker 2: small businesses as well. This would effectively be an industry
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Speaker 2: wide carbon tax. The vehicle emission standard, which is essentially
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Speaker 2: attacks on larger vehicles, would need to be increased and
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Speaker 2: extended into heavy vehicles. Then in agriculture there could be
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Speaker 2: an agricultural emissions reporting scheme.
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Speaker 3: Now this is a little known fact.
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Speaker 2: Banks already will be forced to report the emissions of
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Speaker 2: their customers, which includes farmers.
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Speaker 3: This is already happening.
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Speaker 2: It's been legislated, but it's barely reported in the news
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Speaker 2: at all. I'm going to speak to Matt Canavan about
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Speaker 2: it in a moment.
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Speaker 3: So that is the cost.
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Speaker 2: Well, now let's look at the question of whether it's
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Speaker 2: even possible to meet the targets. Cris Bowe and ounce
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Speaker 2: today the Department of Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water's website.
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Speaker 3: You can see it there.
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Speaker 2: It states that emissions are currently down by twenty seven
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Speaker 2: percent since two thousand and five.
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Speaker 3: You can see the figure there. Down by twenty seven
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Speaker 3: percent since two thousand and five.
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Speaker 2: That's how much the Department of Climate Change say we
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Speaker 2: have reduced emissions in Australia over the past twenty years
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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent. Now, that data analyzes emissions from electricity,
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Speaker 2: agriculture industry, a variety of different sectors. But and if
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Speaker 2: you're only half watching the television, I suggest you concentrate
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Speaker 2: now because this is important and fascinating. The data is
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Speaker 2: skewed because of one sector. It's called land use, land
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Speaker 2: use change and forestry. Now the left wing Australia Institute,
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Speaker 2: it's a think tank, It explains it like this. It says,
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Speaker 2: when Australia was negotiating the terms of the Kyoto Protocol,
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Speaker 2: the precursor to the Paris Agreement, it lobbied successfully for
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Speaker 2: the inclusion of what became known as the Australia Clause,
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Speaker 2: which allowed countries to include land use, land use change
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Speaker 2: and forestry emissions in their accounting. In very basic terms,
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Speaker 2: it's related to the reduction in land clearing, forest management
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Speaker 2: and planting trees. Now, the Australia Institute continues taking a
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Speaker 2: graph of Australia's emissions over time, it is clear that
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Speaker 2: Australia is not on the path to meeting its emissions targets. However,
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Speaker 2: counting and this is the acronym for the Land use
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Speaker 2: accounting lu LUCF emissions can lead to the mistaken impression
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Speaker 2: that the country is on track with emissions reduction. Successive
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Speaker 2: Australian governments have been cooking the books on climate for
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Speaker 2: decades thanks to LULUCF cooking the books.
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Speaker 3: That's a left wing think tank.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you remove this land use sector, our emissions
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Speaker 2: have only fallen by two point eight percent since two
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Speaker 2: thousand and five. Again, this graph is from the Climate
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Speaker 2: Change Department website.
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Speaker 3: If you rem use you can see.
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Speaker 2: There our emissions have just fallen by two point eight percent,
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Speaker 2: not twenty seven percent, and in some sectors emissions are
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Speaker 2: actually rising.
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Speaker 3: Now that was a left wing think tank that I
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Speaker 3: quoted from.
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Speaker 2: Well, now, the Institute of Public Affairs is a conservative.
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Speaker 3: Think tank and it agrees.
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Speaker 2: It's chief economist Adam Crichton, who was on this show
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Speaker 2: last night. He told me today that for all the
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Speaker 2: economic damage, Australia isn't even close to achieving its emissions
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Speaker 2: reduction target.
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Speaker 3: In real terms.
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Speaker 2: It's only through creative accounting and land use, with land
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Speaker 2: use and trees that the government can claim they have
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Speaker 2: fallen twenty seven percent since two thousand and five. The
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Speaker 2: reality is when you look at the volume of emissions
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Speaker 2: actually going into the atmosphere, they have declined only about
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Speaker 2: three percent. Well, shot of the forty three percent reduction
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Speaker 2: the government has promised by twenty thirty on the government's
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Speaker 2: own figures, and Adam says some sectors actually have higher
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Speaker 2: emissions now than in two thousand and five, including the
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Speaker 2: transport sector where they have risen twenty two percent.
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Speaker 3: So for all the.
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Speaker 2: Billions of dollars the government has poured into this sector
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Speaker 2: and for all of our higher electricity bills, emissions have
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Speaker 2: only fallen by two point eight percent in the past
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Speaker 2: twenty years. Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson also pointed out
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Speaker 2: today that emissions have flatlined under labor.
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Speaker 7: The Abanizi government has failed to reduce emissions at all.
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Speaker 7: The flatlined. Unlike the previous governments. Both the Abbott, Turmbule
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Speaker 7: and Morrison governments all reduced emissions. This goverment has not
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Speaker 7: reduced emissions and now expects us to believe that it
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Speaker 7: will meet its twenty thirty target and then some by
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Speaker 7: twenty thirty five with a big increase the target. I'm
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Speaker 7: deeply skeptical about this government's ability to do so.
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Speaker 2: So Ever since the Albanese government came to office, emissions
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Speaker 2: have not fallen, but as James just said, they actually
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Speaker 2: did fall under the coalition. Now you think of how
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Speaker 2: Labor weaponized climate change against Scott Morrison after the bushfires
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Speaker 2: when he went to Hawaii, and yet he is Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: did reduce emissions significantly more than Albanesi as Prime mist
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Speaker 2: as Prime minister hats Now, this is not the narrative
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Speaker 2: the media likes to portray, of course, but you can't
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Speaker 2: choose the facts.
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Speaker 3: These are the facts now.
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Speaker 2: Even if you accept the twenty seven percent figure, the
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Speaker 2: fact is the Albanzi government hasn't lowered emissions at all
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Speaker 2: since it came to office nearly three and a half
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Speaker 2: years ago. So with no action in three and a
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Speaker 2: half years, it suddenly expects emissions to fall by sixteen
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Speaker 2: percent to reach its forty three percent target by twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty in less than five years time. That alone is impossible,
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Speaker 2: and then expecting it to fall by another twenty percent
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Speaker 2: to reach its sixty two to seventy percent target by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five is truly not just impossible, it is fanciful.
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Speaker 2: Even Climate Change Authority chair Matt Keane admitted today in
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Speaker 2: his words that the target is ambitious.
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Speaker 9: The targets that we've recommended are ambitious. It's ambitious.
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Speaker 8: It's up there with the highest level of ambition in
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Speaker 8: the world.
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Speaker 3: It's an understatement.
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Speaker 2: The bottom line is, for all of the pain to
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Speaker 2: regular families through higher power bills, for all of the
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars in government subsidies for renewable energy, emissions
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Speaker 2: in the major sectors have only fallen by two point
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Speaker 2: eight percent since two thousand and five, and there is
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Speaker 2: no possible way without extreme cost to the tax payer
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Speaker 2: and obscene upheaval that the government could possibly meet the
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty twenty thirty five targets. Now again both sides
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Speaker 2: of politics agree emissions need to be reduced and renewables
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Speaker 2: embrace Stephen Matt Canavan, who, as I said, is up
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Speaker 2: in a moment.
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Speaker 3: He agrees that.
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Speaker 2: But the question is how much money should taxpayers personally
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Speaker 2: pay to reduce emissions in Australia When our emissions comprise
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Speaker 2: around one percent of global emissions and IPA research shows
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Speaker 2: that every fortnight China emits the equivalent the equivalent of
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Speaker 2: Australia's annual emissions. The Albanezi government needs to be honest
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Speaker 2: about how much these world leading ambitious targets will cost
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Speaker 2: struggling families and how much of an impact this will
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Speaker 2: actually have on global emissions. We'll get a lot of
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Speaker 2: reaction and different perspectives on this tonight. National's leader David
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Speaker 2: little Proud coming up later, also economist Warren Hogan. But
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Speaker 2: now let's bring in National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt, great
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Speaker 2: to see you again. Look, I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about the point I was making there that our emissions
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Speaker 2: haven't really declined by twenty seven percent at all in
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Speaker 2: the past twenty years.
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Speaker 10: Look, Charre, it's a great point that's not often enough made,
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Speaker 10: so good on for you for highlighting it.
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Speaker 1: The numbers are very simple here.
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Speaker 10: We started this process in two thousand and five with
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Speaker 10: about six hundred million tons of emissions a year. They
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Speaker 10: were reduced by twenty twenty two to four forty million
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Speaker 10: tons a year.
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Speaker 1: They're still at that level.
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Speaker 10: They haven't come down any significant amount in the last
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Speaker 10: three years first term the Albanezi government, so one hundred
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Speaker 10: and sixty million ton reduction in twenty years.
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Speaker 1: That that.
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Speaker 10: Land use category you mentioned before, that was reduced by
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Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty million tons. That one sixty one
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Speaker 10: fifty million tons of it is because we have imposed
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Speaker 10: restrictions on our nations farmers, so they can't clear their
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Speaker 10: own land, they can't develop their own land. Their property
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Speaker 10: values have been reduced because new regulations came in place
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Speaker 10: telling they can't do that. So as when the good
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Speaker 10: people of the eastern subs of Sydney go up and
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Speaker 10: fill fell up their porsches at a petrol.
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Speaker 1: Station like this behind me.
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Speaker 10: No I love the people of East and Sums, but
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Speaker 10: when they go do that and put themselves on the
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Speaker 10: back that Australia is doing its bit for the climate,
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Speaker 10: it's not because the reduced missions in the cities, not
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Speaker 10: at all. We've only reduced emissions by putting the burden
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Speaker 10: on our nations farmers and putting up the cost of
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Speaker 10: food production and therefore putting up the cost of groceries.
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Speaker 1: We haven't reduced it across the board.
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Speaker 10: And now we've got a government selling us that after
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Speaker 10: reducing emissions by that amount in twenty years, it's about
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Speaker 10: a one point eight percent reduction over a twenty year period.
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Speaker 10: On eight percent a year, I should say, so, just
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Speaker 10: about two percent a year reduction over twenty years. Now
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Speaker 10: in the next ten wait for it, the next ten years,
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Speaker 10: the government wants to reduce emissions by six percent a year.
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Speaker 10: That's what they're going to need to do on average
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Speaker 10: six percent a year average reduction over a decade. That
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Speaker 10: is three times besides the reduction we've done in twenty years.
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Speaker 10: And middle only on our farmers. And keep in mind
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Speaker 10: to the manufacturing industries we lost as we've pursued this
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Speaker 10: in the last twenty years, the massive increase in energy
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Speaker 10: bills that all Austrains have suffered through in that twenty years.
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Speaker 10: And now the government's saying, no, we haven't. We haven't
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Speaker 10: hurt you enough. We need to keep this get this
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Speaker 10: train going faster. And there's one thing the government hasn't
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Speaker 10: promised today all I should say, Anthony Albaniez, he made
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Speaker 10: a few promises to Australians a few years ago. He
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Speaker 10: promised he'd reduce emissions, and he would.
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Speaker 1: He promised he would reduce your power bills. And today
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Speaker 1: he hasn't done either of those. He isn't either of them.
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Speaker 10: And then today he's prioritized lower emissions and said stuff
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Speaker 10: you to the Australian families who are suffering under his
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Speaker 10: broken promise to cut power bills. He is prioritizing, and
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Speaker 10: the Albani is clearly saying he cares more about getting
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Speaker 10: applause at the United Nations next week than helping relieve
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Speaker 10: the stress around the kitchen tables of households in this
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Speaker 10: country with families who can't afford to pay their bills.
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Speaker 2: Look Albanizy today AND's press conference how to crack at
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Speaker 2: those who bring up China's high emissions.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at what he had to say.
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Speaker 4: Mate this point about international comparisons as well, because we'll
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Speaker 4: hear from the coalition will often the skeptics will say, oh, well,
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Speaker 4: the rest of the world isn't acting there for austraation,
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Speaker 4: do anything. Just one fun fact from the Global Energy Monitor,
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Speaker 4: amount of wind and solar power under construction in China
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Speaker 4: is now nearly twice as much as the rest of
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Speaker 4: the world combined. Just a fun fact there. We are
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Speaker 4: part of what is a global transformation that is occurring.
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Speaker 4: We need to do our part, but of course we
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Speaker 4: know that the world has to act as well.
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Speaker 3: So Matt, you heard that there. What's your response to this?
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Speaker 1: I got a fun fact too.
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Speaker 10: China's building two hundred and seventy five gigawatts of coal
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Speaker 10: right now two hundred seventy five giga whatts of coal
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Speaker 10: now keep that well, so what does that mean? A
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Speaker 10: typical coal fire powerstations is about a gigawat, So they're
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Speaker 10: building roughly two hundred and seventy five coal fired powerstations
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Speaker 10: right now. It's a ten year high for China in
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Speaker 10: terms of coal fired power constructions.
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Speaker 1: Australias has Australian.
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Speaker 10: Australia's cow cul fire power fleet is twenty two gigawatts,
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Speaker 10: so they're building ten times amount.
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Speaker 1: Of coal we have here in Australia.
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Speaker 10: And so Antheobanez's foking on my aspect. They are building solar,
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Speaker 10: but they're also building coal. That's not what he's proposing
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Speaker 10: to do. He's proposing to shut down our reliable powerstations,
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Speaker 10: forcing up your any electricity bill even more, and then
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Speaker 10: installing a whole lot of intermittent energy that can't be
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Speaker 10: relied on. His agenda is clearly failing, and now he's
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Speaker 10: proposing to double down on that failure.
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Speaker 2: The business community in Australia either seemed to be welcoming
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Speaker 2: this new target, or if they're not welcoming it, they're
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Speaker 2: not coming out against it.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Judith Sloan wrote a great piece in The Australian today.
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Speaker 2: She said it's important to correctly interpret the response of
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Speaker 2: business to this announcement. Many CEOs will be seeking special
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Speaker 2: deals and government funding. Best not to upset those in
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Speaker 2: charge here as we head further down the path of
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Speaker 2: crony capitalism. Matt, do you agree with Judith that the
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Speaker 2: business community is not showing leadership out of self interest?
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Speaker 10: Look, I think it's a range of things, and I
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Speaker 10: suppose yes, but it depends what that self interest is.
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Speaker 10: There are some big businesses that are making a lot
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Speaker 10: of money out of this, and making a lot of
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Speaker 10: money out of energy prices being higher for you, I
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Speaker 10: mean when you're paying your power bill, le's going to somebody.
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Speaker 10: That money is going to lots of big businesses who
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Speaker 10: are making bank on the back of the higher energy prices,
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Speaker 10: so that of course they are place awarding that. There
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Speaker 10: are other businesses that are applauding the need to buy
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Speaker 10: a whole lot of new carbon offsets. A new carbon
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Speaker 10: tax is being introduced with this policy today, a massive
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Speaker 10: new carbon tax that you've outlined, massive carbon prices and
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Speaker 10: a whole other banks are going to make a lot
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Speaker 10: of money selling pieces of paper, selling carbon credits, and
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Speaker 10: that will cost will be imposed on you, but the
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Speaker 10: banks will make more profits.
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Speaker 1: And then of course there are.
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Speaker 10: Those other businesses, businesses and as you say, are just gunhai.
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Speaker 10: They know that if they speak up, they'll be punished,
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Speaker 10: they'll be hit, and so they don't. And look, I've
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Speaker 10: had enough of listening to big business, because big business
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Speaker 10: is what has got us into this mess. They promised
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Speaker 10: this stuff, they said that, they said, like Anthey Albanezi,
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Speaker 10: that net zero would lower power bills. Instead, the absolute
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Speaker 10: opposite has happened. And so maybe we should we should
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Speaker 10: listen to different people now to get a different result
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Speaker 10: for this rang people.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan appreciate that. Before you go, though, I do
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about another topic. Late night talk
21:56
Speaker 2: host in America Jimmy Kimmel has been sensationally suspect ended
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Speaker 2: indefinitely after he mocked the death of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: He hit some new lows over the weekend with the
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Speaker 11: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
22:13
Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and
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Speaker 11: everything they can to score political points from it.
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Speaker 2: Now, that bit wasn't funny, but I watched as much
22:23
Speaker 2: of it as I could online, and although I didn't
22:26
Speaker 2: agree with it, I think Charlie Kirk was incredible. I've
22:29
Speaker 2: been discussing all week this moral confusion on the left't
22:33
Speaker 2: I found myself laughing because it was a funny segment
22:36
Speaker 2: when he got into the Trump path.
22:38
Speaker 3: In the ballroom. I mean, surely it's going.
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Speaker 2: Too far to cancel someone for comedy for comedy. That's
22:45
Speaker 2: not the sort of censorious world we want to live in,
22:48
Speaker 2: is it.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I don't know why Disney has canceled him.
22:55
Speaker 10: The clip you've just played, though, is a flat out lie.
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Speaker 10: Pretty clear that the assassin is not it was not
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Speaker 10: a Marga supporter. And so look, I mean that, look
23:09
Speaker 10: that that is like, look what Jimmy Kimmels does not
23:11
Speaker 10: we near the worst of what we've seen. We've seen
23:13
Speaker 10: some shocking outbursts of celebration over It's hard to even
23:19
Speaker 10: know that people are doing this, but they're celebrating otherwise
23:22
Speaker 10: respectable people, teaching doctors, celebrating someone's death.
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Speaker 1: It's assassination. It is absolutely beyond the pale.
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Speaker 10: So Jimmy hasn't done that, but I spreading those sort
23:31
Speaker 10: of untruths in such a such a volatile political climate
23:35
Speaker 10: in the US, So I don't think it's something to
23:37
Speaker 10: be proud of and Disney, but that's the reason they've
23:42
Speaker 10: done it. I wouldn't be against it. Well, as I said,
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Speaker 10: I don't know about the comedy. I haven't watched those
23:47
Speaker 10: parts and didn't think Jimmy Kimmel was funny in the
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Speaker 10: first place.
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Speaker 2: But look, you wouldn't agree with someone being sacked for
23:57
Speaker 2: saying something off color.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not.
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Speaker 10: But I mean, look, this is Disney's decision, they're not.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's not the government doing it. I mean,
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Speaker 10: if the government had said, you know, you're canceled because
24:08
Speaker 10: of that, that's absolutely I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I'd support you.
24:11
Speaker 10: But this is obviously a commercial decision that Disney has made.
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Speaker 1: As I say, I don't know.
24:17
Speaker 10: If it's about the jokes or about the lies and
24:21
Speaker 10: the lie that he has told.
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Speaker 1: I think he is very irresponsible and I agree with you.
24:25
Speaker 2: And just to be clear again, in case everyone has
24:27
Speaker 2: missed every other one of my programs this week, I
24:29
Speaker 2: have spent I've done long eleven minute editorials saying how
24:34
Speaker 2: wrong the left is for celebrating his depth. I just
24:37
Speaker 2: don't think someone should be counseled for comedy. And the
24:40
Speaker 2: rest of the skip was kind of funny. Matt Canavan,
24:45
Speaker 2: thank you so much, appreciate your time. And look, maybe
24:48
Speaker 2: this was just an excuse they were looking to fire him.
24:50
Speaker 3: That's probably the scenario.
24:51
Speaker 2: They were looking to get rid of him because of
24:53
Speaker 2: who knows poor ratings. Now President Donald Trump last night
24:57
Speaker 2: had an incredible royal welcome as he met with King Charles.
25:01
Speaker 3: The King, who's.
25:02
Speaker 2: Also of course our head of state, did more to
25:05
Speaker 2: defend Orcus than alban Easy has ever done.
25:10
Speaker 12: Tyrany once again threatens Europe. We and our allies stand
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Speaker 12: together in support of Ukraine to the terror aggression and
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Speaker 12: secure peace, and our August submarine partnership with Australia sets
25:27
Speaker 12: the benchmark for innovative and vital collaboration.
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Speaker 2: There were some pointed comments both about Ukraine and Orcus.
25:36
Speaker 2: Now Trump is just farewell the King and is now
25:38
Speaker 2: meeting with Keir Starmer as we speak and joining me
25:42
Speaker 2: now to discuss is News Corps UK correspondent Sophie Elsworth sophy, First,
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Speaker 2: can you tell us about Trump's meeting with the King and.
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Speaker 13: Queen absolutely, Sharry, great to be with you.
25:56
Speaker 14: Look, they had a day of festivities yesterday at Windsor
26:00
Speaker 14: outside London.
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Speaker 13: It was jam papped. It was all behind closed.
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Speaker 14: Doors before they had that pinnacle event, the state banquet
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Speaker 14: last night in the giant ballroom inside Windsor Castle, and
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Speaker 14: we heard from both the King and President Trump. We
26:17
Speaker 14: know that President Trump speaks very fondly and he's spoke
26:20
Speaker 14: very fondly of Britain. He's excited to be here, and
26:25
Speaker 14: he spoke of the fond relationship between the two nations
26:28
Speaker 14: and how he wants to continue having that great relationship
26:32
Speaker 14: with the US, and likewise to King Charles, he also
26:35
Speaker 14: spoke fondly of the US the important of the bilateral
26:39
Speaker 14: relationship between the two nations.
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Speaker 13: So all the reporting here, Sharry from.
26:44
Speaker 14: The British press is that it has been an extremely
26:48
Speaker 14: successful state visit so far. But now it moves to
26:51
Speaker 14: the more diplomatic side of things when President Trump today
26:56
Speaker 14: meets with British Prime Minister to Kia Starmah.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to the Kierstarmer meeting in a moment, but
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Speaker 2: I mean, just looking at those pictures It's always such
27:05
Speaker 2: a joy to see the fashion and the pageantry at
27:08
Speaker 2: its finest, the gold courage that Trump traveled in flanked
27:12
Speaker 2: by page boys, and the beautiful dresses won by the Queen,
27:15
Speaker 2: the Princess and the First Lady.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell us a bit about what they wore?
27:22
Speaker 14: Absolutely, sheryfh. So they obviously went for their local designers.
27:25
Speaker 14: A Catherine Princess Katherine wearing British designer and a First
27:30
Speaker 14: Lady Milania Trump wearing a US designer. Look, there has
27:34
Speaker 14: been criticism of the First Lady. She chose that very
27:37
Speaker 14: bright gown that she wore last night, and there was
27:42
Speaker 14: criticism about it some of the press. He's saying it
27:45
Speaker 14: was so bright he needed to have sunglasses on. But look,
27:48
Speaker 14: they both I think stole the room with their beautiful
27:50
Speaker 14: gowns at this event which is so prestigious, and all
27:54
Speaker 14: eyes are on the fashion as much as what unfolds
27:57
Speaker 14: in that room where there were one hundred and sixty guests.
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Speaker 2: So now coming to the President Trump's meeting with Kiir
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Speaker 2: starmer As, I understand that they're in talks right now.
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Speaker 3: What's on the agenda for these discussions?
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Speaker 14: So Sharry, he has arrived. President Trump has arrived at Checkers.
28:19
Speaker 14: He arrived there by Marine one and now they will
28:22
Speaker 14: have a light lunch today and then there is expected to.
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Speaker 13: Be this press conference.
28:26
Speaker 14: Now there's going to be many important things on the
28:29
Speaker 14: agenda we expect. There's a number of things such as
28:33
Speaker 14: trade deals. There's also many issues that Trump has pointed
28:37
Speaker 14: out here in Britain, such as the migration crisis. There's
28:40
Speaker 14: also the recognition that Kis Starmer has announced of Palestinian
28:45
Speaker 14: statehood here in Britain, which he will begin once this
28:49
Speaker 14: visit finishes, and something that President Trump fundamentally disagrees with.
28:54
Speaker 13: So there's going to be a lot on the agenda here.
28:57
Speaker 14: And also shary not to forget that just last week
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Speaker 14: Sakias Starmer sacked the UK ambassador to the US, Lord
29:06
Speaker 14: Peter Manilson, over his tight relationship with a convicted pedophile,
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Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein. So they're without an ambassador, which has been
29:14
Speaker 14: very damaging. So there's a lot to come from today.
29:17
Speaker 14: I suspect Sakia will be relatively quiet during his press
29:21
Speaker 14: conference because, as we know, it's usually the US president
29:25
Speaker 14: who does all the talking.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I hope Donald Trump sends a
29:31
Speaker 2: strong message to Kirs starm about the recognition of Palestine.
29:35
Speaker 2: I also want to ask you just about Kirs Starmer generally,
29:38
Speaker 2: because he's had a stunning fall from grace. He won
29:41
Speaker 2: last year's election with a majority landslide and is now
29:44
Speaker 2: facing unrest, immigration levels, rallies in the streets, disastrous polling.
29:50
Speaker 2: How serious is the leadership speculation in the Labor Party there?
29:57
Speaker 13: Extremely serious, Jarry.
29:59
Speaker 14: I mean, even the left doing media here is saying
30:01
Speaker 14: that he is in a lot of trouble. We know
30:05
Speaker 14: that he's had bad headline from bad headline that continues
30:08
Speaker 14: to roll on for him, and this has been a
30:10
Speaker 14: bit of a circuit Baker to divert the media attention
30:14
Speaker 14: away from the mess that Sekir is in to the
30:18
Speaker 14: state visit that is unfolding here at the moment. And
30:21
Speaker 14: as we know, Reform UK, the up and come and
30:24
Speaker 14: coming party led by Reform leader Nigel Frage, is the
30:28
Speaker 14: hottest ticket in town at the moment and they're the
30:31
Speaker 14: ones that are drawing all the momentum. They're getting all
30:34
Speaker 14: the good headlines with their attack on migration problems and
30:37
Speaker 14: so forth.
30:39
Speaker 13: And the issue here that he just.
30:41
Speaker 14: Cannot get a hold on Sekia is the migration crisis,
30:44
Speaker 14: and this one in one out deal with France has
30:47
Speaker 14: failed miserably, so he's in an awful mess. Sharry, his
30:50
Speaker 14: honeymoon period is certainly over.
30:54
Speaker 2: So f Ellsworth, brilliant reporting as always, Thank you so much.
30:59
Speaker 2: It's just so wonderful to see all those luxurious pictures
31:02
Speaker 2: and the gold carriage and the pomp and ceremony in
31:05
Speaker 2: the beautiful dresses. Right coming up, Goible Jewish groups make
31:08
Speaker 2: an eleventh hour plea not to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: Alex Rifchin will be here shortly.
31:14
Speaker 2: Plus National's leader David Little Proud shares his reaction to
31:19
Speaker 2: Albanesi's ambitious twenty thirty five target that's coming up. Welcome
31:28
Speaker 2: back or Energy policy has long divided the coalition, but
31:32
Speaker 2: today Opposition leader Susan Lee insisted the party room was
31:36
Speaker 2: unanimously against the Albanezy government's world leading twenty thirty five
31:41
Speaker 2: emissions reduction target. Chris Bowen insists he has a plan,
31:45
Speaker 2: although he couldn't really explain it.
31:48
Speaker 5: The Climate Change Authority puts it well in their advice
31:50
Speaker 5: to me. They say we have an abundance of solar
31:53
Speaker 5: and wind above the ground and a periodic table of
31:56
Speaker 5: critical minerals below the ground.
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Speaker 2: Onto this Nationals leader David Little Proud joins us. Now, David,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Now to start with, I want
32:06
Speaker 2: to get your response to Chris Bowen there that we
32:09
Speaker 2: can meet those targets because we've got sunshine and wind.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's nothing more than an expensive charade that was
32:17
Speaker 15: portrayed today when you think about that our energy grids
32:20
Speaker 15: about thirty three percent of emissions and we've gone to
32:25
Speaker 15: this all renewables approach that was meant to bring a
32:28
Speaker 15: reduction in your energy bill this year by two hundred
32:31
Speaker 15: and seventy five dollars from what you're paying in twenty
32:34
Speaker 15: twenty two. Yet they've gone up by thirteen hundred dollars.
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Speaker 15: I really think that Chris Bowen and the Climate Change Authority,
32:41
Speaker 15: led by somebody that is on the board of a
32:44
Speaker 15: renewables energy fund, is selling the Australian people a pup
32:49
Speaker 15: And when they won't tell us exactly what the costs are,
32:52
Speaker 15: then I fear you're going to pay and the devil
32:54
Speaker 15: will be in the detail. Let me tell you when
32:56
Speaker 15: you hear and you see that when energy is thirty
33:00
Speaker 15: three percent. They've got this thing called the Safeguards mechanism,
33:03
Speaker 15: which is a tax on our big emitters, our industry.
33:06
Speaker 15: They're going to broaden that. They're going to do a
33:08
Speaker 15: review on that next year. They'll broaden that. But to
33:10
Speaker 15: make sure that Australian industry can at least have some
33:13
Speaker 15: hope and compete, they're going to bring a tariffin on
33:16
Speaker 15: imports of cement, steel, fertilizer that goes to your food
33:21
Speaker 15: and that means that I'll all get passed on you.
33:23
Speaker 15: So the BCA and Industry Group of Australia al saying yes,
33:26
Speaker 15: this is a great thing to do, because you know
33:28
Speaker 15: what happens, big business is just going to pass that
33:30
Speaker 15: on to you, the Australian consumer. So it all sounds good,
33:34
Speaker 15: but ultimately it comes back to one principal Dad always
33:37
Speaker 15: taught me. Someone always pay, and someone is you. You're
33:41
Speaker 15: going to pay for it all at the end because
33:43
Speaker 15: this is all just getting passed on to you.
33:45
Speaker 2: David Susan Lee's press conference today, she was very clear.
33:48
Speaker 2: She made the point that the coalition does agree that emissions.
33:52
Speaker 3: Need to be reduced. Do you agree with that statement?
33:55
Speaker 2: Do you agree with the Albanezi government that emissions do
33:58
Speaker 2: need to be reduced by twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 15: Well, we need to continue to work towards that, but
34:05
Speaker 15: not any costs. And what net zero has become is
34:09
Speaker 15: about trying to achieve the impossible rather than doing what's sensible.
34:13
Speaker 15: Net zero is not the only way to address climate change.
34:16
Speaker 15: You can have sensible solutions like nuclear energy. You can
34:20
Speaker 15: make sure that you do it in a sensible way,
34:22
Speaker 15: but you've got to be upfront and on us with
34:23
Speaker 15: the Australian people. Peter Dutton and I were that we
34:25
Speaker 15: took a fully costed energy grid to the Australian people
34:28
Speaker 15: at the last election. Chris Baron to this day still
34:30
Speaker 15: will not tell us exactly what this all renewables approach
34:33
Speaker 15: or cost. Just in fact he's already spent in spending
34:37
Speaker 15: over sixty billion dollars in what we call the Capacity
34:39
Speaker 15: Investment Scheme which underwrites a return for renewable energy companies. Now,
34:44
Speaker 15: if they're so affordable and they're the cheapest form of energy,
34:48
Speaker 15: I don't understand why the Australian taxpayer would have to
34:51
Speaker 15: subsidize these multinationals to come and to build these renewables,
34:55
Speaker 15: so we should be sensible about how we reduce emissions.
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Speaker 15: We're blessed with all the sovereignty of all our resources here,
35:03
Speaker 15: and we should have a technology agnostic approach. Because there
35:06
Speaker 15: is a couple of countries that have tried to go
35:08
Speaker 15: all renewables. It's called Portugal and Spain. They got seventy
35:11
Speaker 15: seven percent and they lost their entire grid for a
35:14
Speaker 15: week and a half because they didn't have this thing
35:16
Speaker 15: called base load power. So ideology is going to catch
35:19
Speaker 15: up with this, but economics already is. You can see
35:22
Speaker 15: in your energy bill every quarter you open it up,
35:24
Speaker 15: and you should see Anthony Albanie responds face on it.
35:27
Speaker 2: David, you mentioned they're taking the more what you called
35:30
Speaker 2: sensible approach. What do you think a sensible twenty thirty
35:34
Speaker 2: five target would look like?
35:38
Speaker 15: Well, and that's very difficult when we're not in government.
35:40
Speaker 15: We don't have the machinery government, and obviously there's no
35:43
Speaker 15: linear approach to that because our grid would be different
35:46
Speaker 15: in terms of what we're looking at in terms of
35:49
Speaker 15: introducing nuclear. But gas and coal can still exist with
35:53
Speaker 15: carbon capture stories. Japanese are taking our gas using carbon
35:56
Speaker 15: capture storage capturing and carbon putting it in at either
36:00
Speaker 15: dropping it off in the Philippines or sending it back here.
36:03
Speaker 15: If they can do that, why can't we. But I
36:05
Speaker 15: think we've also got to think about this whole net
36:08
Speaker 15: zero thing and think about climate change and say, well,
36:11
Speaker 15: it's not just necessarily about mitigation, it's about adaptation. And
36:15
Speaker 15: we're spending all this on us try to mitigate our
36:19
Speaker 15: emissions to when we're only amit one percent of the
36:21
Speaker 15: total glibal emissions, why don't we look at adaptation, particularly
36:25
Speaker 15: of China and India aren't going to reduce their emissions.
36:28
Speaker 15: They're still building coal fired power stations in China and India.
36:32
Speaker 11: Why wouldn't we.
36:32
Speaker 15: Look at adaptation and doing sensible things about making sure
36:36
Speaker 15: that we're adapting.
36:37
Speaker 11: To the climate.
36:39
Speaker 3: Warmer climate, is that what you mean?
36:41
Speaker 14: Well?
36:43
Speaker 15: And whether that's more extreme events, particularly look at floods.
36:46
Speaker 15: Why wouldn't we build some more dams. You're going to
36:49
Speaker 15: have greater weather events of rain. Isn't it just common
36:52
Speaker 15: sense that we capture the water, we store it and
36:55
Speaker 15: use it when we hit and have longer droughts.
36:58
Speaker 1: So this is where some.
36:59
Speaker 15: Common sense in terms of adaptation is really important. For
37:03
Speaker 15: Australia rather than this mitigation model against our missions for
37:07
Speaker 15: the world, which we can't change, and we'd have an
37:10
Speaker 15: asset for this country.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, we're just nearly out of time. I just want
37:14
Speaker 2: to get back to the targets. So everyone broadly sensible
37:19
Speaker 2: agrees that the targets today are too aggressive. I mean,
37:22
Speaker 2: even Matt Keane said they're among the highest in the world,
37:25
Speaker 2: and those that have higher rely on nuclear energy. But
37:28
Speaker 2: do you think there should be targets at all?
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Speaker 15: I think we should have some aspirations about doing the
37:36
Speaker 15: right thing, But when you look at what the rest
37:38
Speaker 15: of the world's doing are they're starting.
37:39
Speaker 2: To not targets because no targets, aspirations not targets.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think within that comes numbers, but that depends
37:48
Speaker 15: on how you're going to approach it. It's the philosophy
37:50
Speaker 15: and the ideology of what you're going to approach and
37:53
Speaker 15: how you approach it. Looking at the technologies and not
37:55
Speaker 15: turning your back on technologies like nuclear energy but also
37:58
Speaker 15: carbon capture storage for our coal fired power assets even
38:03
Speaker 15: and for our gas. So our method will be a
38:06
Speaker 15: lot different. And yes, there'd be a number to it,
38:09
Speaker 15: but I can't give it to you tonight because we
38:11
Speaker 15: don't have the machinery government to support it. But we
38:14
Speaker 15: wouldn't be going down an all renewables approach and we
38:16
Speaker 15: wouldn't be putting on onerous legislation like the safeguards mechanism
38:22
Speaker 15: on our industry.
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Speaker 2: All right, David little Proud, thank you so much for
38:26
Speaker 2: being with us tonight and for being very generous with
38:28
Speaker 2: your time. Now still to calm economist Warren Hogan, we'll
38:32
Speaker 2: look at how much this target will actually cost, and
38:35
Speaker 2: global Jewish groups unite to urge leaders to abandon plans
38:39
Speaker 2: to recognize a Palestinian state.
38:41
Speaker 3: Alex Schriften will.
38:42
Speaker 2: Be on the show and I'm also going to ask
38:44
Speaker 2: him about that Islamophobia report.
38:50
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
38:51
Speaker 2: Jewish community groups in the UK, Canada and Australia have
38:55
Speaker 2: made a large, last ditch plea to their respective governments
38:59
Speaker 2: to back out of recognizing a Palestinian state. They issued
39:03
Speaker 2: a rare joint statement today and to discuss the Executive
39:08
Speaker 2: Council of Australian Juries CO chief Alex Riftchin joins me. Now, Alex,
39:12
Speaker 2: great to see you again, so sh tell us about
39:16
Speaker 2: this letter that you've done in conjunction with groups in
39:20
Speaker 2: the UK and Canada.
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Speaker 8: Well, we've advocated against unilatal recognition of Palstine State for
39:26
Speaker 8: as long as it's been on Labour's agenda, so back
39:29
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty one it became part of the national platform.
39:33
Speaker 8: We at that point and even in the years before
39:36
Speaker 8: and certainly subsequent, made consistent public and private representations about
39:41
Speaker 8: why this was doomed in full hearty policy and why
39:44
Speaker 8: it should be abandoned by the government, and we all
39:47
Speaker 8: went to our community to fight this battle until.
39:49
Speaker 4: The very end.
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Speaker 8: And this is unprecedented, as you said, in terms of
39:53
Speaker 8: being a joint letter signed by our counterparts in Canada
39:56
Speaker 8: and the UK who have exactly the same concerns about
40:00
Speaker 8: actions taken by their governments. And so whether this falls
40:04
Speaker 8: on death is or not, we, as I said, old
40:06
Speaker 8: to our community to fight this until the bitter end,
40:09
Speaker 8: and to make one last plea to side with a democracy,
40:13
Speaker 8: to side with an ally, to move away from incentivizing
40:16
Speaker 8: further acts of terror and domestic extremism. After October seven,
40:20
Speaker 8: the world should be unified in sending a message that
40:22
Speaker 8: extremism will not lead to political transformation, and this policy
40:27
Speaker 8: sends the exact opposite message, and it makes the world
40:29
Speaker 8: a more dangerous place, which is why we oppose it.
40:32
Speaker 2: Well, you and I and along with others on the show,
40:34
Speaker 2: including Fromer Prime Minister John Howard, have spoken about how
40:39
Speaker 2: the requirements for statehood are not met under international law.
40:44
Speaker 2: This includes borders, a governing a proper governing body that
40:48
Speaker 2: has authority, et cetera.
40:50
Speaker 3: But Alex, you know, at the.
40:52
Speaker 2: Very basic level, no one could have ever expected on
40:58
Speaker 2: October seven that the most terrific massacre we've seen in
41:02
Speaker 2: recent times would have led to these woke Western governments
41:08
Speaker 2: recognizing a Palestinian state. This is what it comes down
41:11
Speaker 2: to an absolute basic level. It is rewarding the terrorism
41:15
Speaker 2: of October seven, and probably because they just so passionately
41:19
Speaker 2: hate Ned and Yahoo.
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Speaker 8: You're right and the way that it's framed that there's
41:25
Speaker 8: never a logical rational argument made about why recognizing a
41:29
Speaker 8: state which does not exist in fact meets no legal
41:32
Speaker 8: requirements of state. Why this will suddenly end this conflict,
41:36
Speaker 8: resolve the issues that have separated the parties and lead
41:38
Speaker 8: to peace. No one has made the case. It's always
41:41
Speaker 8: presented as something punitive against Israel. We oppose settlements in
41:44
Speaker 8: the West Bank. We oppose is rarely conduct in the
41:47
Speaker 8: war with Gaza. Therefore we will recognize a Palestine state.
41:50
Speaker 8: That's a nonsense. That's a recipe for creating a failed
41:53
Speaker 8: state from the beginning, and Israel will have to deal
41:56
Speaker 8: with that mess and deal with its consequences, which is
41:58
Speaker 8: why it opposes it so forcefully. So this is simply
42:01
Speaker 8: poor policy in so many ways, and it's a great disappointment.
42:05
Speaker 8: But in a way, it's not surprising. If you look
42:07
Speaker 8: back to September eleven, that again should have been a
42:09
Speaker 8: unifying moment for the world to understand Islam and terrorism,
42:13
Speaker 8: to be resolved in fighting against it until the end,
42:16
Speaker 8: until it's finally defeated. But in fact it led to
42:18
Speaker 8: a loss of confidence in the West, people questioning their
42:22
Speaker 8: own motives and their own values and ideals and actually
42:25
Speaker 8: siding with the Summer bin Laden, who's been rehabilitated as
42:28
Speaker 8: a hero. We're seeing the same thing happen in real
42:30
Speaker 8: time with Hamas and Sinjuan, Israela and the Ayatolas. So
42:33
Speaker 8: it's not surprising because there are the level of actors
42:36
Speaker 8: in our society that want to turn the majority of
42:40
Speaker 8: austrains against Israel, against Western democracy, and against its own interest,
42:43
Speaker 8: and that's exactly what's transpiring.
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Speaker 2: It's also we're seeing such a clear contrast in the
42:50
Speaker 2: leadership of President Trump.
42:51
Speaker 3: And now, look, people.
42:53
Speaker 2: Might not like him for a variety of other reasons,
42:55
Speaker 2: but on this issue he has been so incredibly strong.
43:00
Speaker 2: And then you have a look at Kirstarma Albanisi and others,
43:05
Speaker 2: many others who are going to vote to recognize the
43:07
Speaker 2: Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: And it couldn't be.
43:09
Speaker 2: More stark this contrast, especially seeing Marco Rubio there this
43:14
Speaker 2: week reiterating the message that her must needs to be destroyed.
43:17
Speaker 2: I mean almost from the start there were calls for
43:20
Speaker 2: a ceasefire in Australia.
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Speaker 8: And Marco Rubio said that at the time that the
43:25
Speaker 8: Australian government and the Canadians and the British started making
43:28
Speaker 8: these announcements about recognition, it effectively torpedoed ceasefire negotiations. It
43:33
Speaker 8: betrayed the hostages, It made it much more difficult to
43:36
Speaker 8: resolve this and get them out safely. It compelled Hermas
43:41
Speaker 8: to dig in and to believe the things are turning
43:43
Speaker 8: in its favor, and that the longer it holds out.
43:45
Speaker 8: The longer it fights, the more that it heaps pressure
43:48
Speaker 8: on the hostages and its own people, things will go
43:51
Speaker 8: more and more in its way. And you're right. President
43:53
Speaker 8: Trump has been unequivocal and has been strong on this
43:56
Speaker 8: issue because he's thinking about the American national interests and nothing,
43:59
Speaker 8: a lot, nothing but that, And he understands that emboldening
44:02
Speaker 8: terrorists is so contrary fundamentally to national security in the
44:07
Speaker 8: United States. But sadly, our own government hasn't gotten that message.
44:10
Speaker 8: They haven't understood that same calculus.
44:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to ask you about the Islamophobia Report.
44:16
Speaker 2: It was released last Friday afternoon. Are you concerned about
44:21
Speaker 2: some of the recommendations, for example, which urge a review
44:24
Speaker 2: of counter terrorism laws or seek to control political speech.
44:28
Speaker 2: And also do you think the response from the government
44:30
Speaker 2: was more welcoming than to Jillian Siegel's anti Semitism report.
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Speaker 8: Well, that there are certainly aspects that require close scrutiny
44:39
Speaker 8: and are on the face of it, concerning, and particularly
44:42
Speaker 8: when they talk about legislating against Islamophobia, it sounds an
44:45
Speaker 8: awful lot like a blasphemy law, and that is not
44:48
Speaker 8: where this country should be going. But At the same time,
44:51
Speaker 8: Islamophobia fear hatred of Muslim people is an issue. As
44:55
Speaker 8: the report outlines, it needs to be grappled with in
44:57
Speaker 8: certain ways. What we reject in all, always rejected, is
45:00
Speaker 8: this political coupling of anti Semitism and Islamophobia. And we
45:05
Speaker 8: heard as soon as Gillian Siegel presented a report, rather
45:08
Speaker 8: than a full embrace of it, which was necessary by
45:11
Speaker 8: the government, we heard the Education mister, for example, saying
45:13
Speaker 8: that he would await the Lamophobia report before acting on
45:16
Speaker 8: anti Semitism, which is a madness. And all it does
45:20
Speaker 8: is it mixes together two totally different, two unrelated forms
45:25
Speaker 8: of hatred with different expressions, manifestations and origins, and it
45:29
Speaker 8: pits the communities against each other. It makes it look
45:31
Speaker 8: like fighting antisemitism isn't a moral imperative, but it's like
45:36
Speaker 8: a gift for the Jewish community which has to be
45:38
Speaker 8: balanced against something for the Muslim community. So it's the
45:41
Speaker 8: way that it's been dealt with by government that I
45:43
Speaker 8: think is objectionable. You and I Shari at our summit
45:46
Speaker 8: in February laid out the path forward and combating anti
45:49
Speaker 8: Semitism in very explicit, clear terms. It was backed by
45:52
Speaker 8: the experts. It was then embraced and expanded upon by
45:55
Speaker 8: Jillian Siegel, the Special Envoy. This should be adopted as
45:59
Speaker 8: a matter of urgency because in the months that we've
46:01
Speaker 8: seen since that summit, since Julian's report was presented, we've
46:04
Speaker 8: learned that Iran coordinated terrorist attacks on our soil. So
46:08
Speaker 8: the problem is even bigger and greater than we anticipate
46:10
Speaker 8: in terms of foreign interference, and we need a solution.
46:14
Speaker 8: And it's not anything to do with Islamophobia. It's its
46:17
Speaker 8: own hatred. It's resulting in the burning of synagogues, in
46:20
Speaker 8: the harassment of our community, and it requires a solution immediately.
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Speaker 2: I know it's been an urgent problem for going on
46:27
Speaker 2: to nearly two years now. Alex Rifchin, thank you so
46:30
Speaker 2: much for your incredible leadership and moral clarity and clear expression.
46:35
Speaker 3: As always, thank you.
46:37
Speaker 2: All Right, still to come, economist Warren Hogan. We'll talk
46:40
Speaker 2: about the cost to the economy of the target. Some
46:43
Speaker 2: business estimates have it at half a trillion dollars. That's next,
46:51
Speaker 2: welcome back. The Business Council of Australia has recently warned
46:55
Speaker 2: that a high emissions reduction target of seventy percent could
46:59
Speaker 2: cost five hundred billion dollars. For more on this, I'm Joe,
47:04
Speaker 2: Now I have a Judo Bankerchief Economist Warren Hogan, Warren,
47:07
Speaker 2: we don't know the real cost. The government refuses to say,
47:10
Speaker 2: do you think it could be as high as that
47:12
Speaker 2: modeling from the Bcaight, yeah, it could.
47:15
Speaker 9: Easily be that high Shari. And of course the modeling
47:19
Speaker 9: itself is based on a lot of assumptions, and it's
47:22
Speaker 9: based on a twenty year view of a world we
47:25
Speaker 9: don't know. So all of this is very difficult. But
47:30
Speaker 9: it's going to be a very expensive exercise and the
47:32
Speaker 9: government has an obligation to the Australian community to make
47:36
Speaker 9: an effort to communicate that cost. And I think today
47:39
Speaker 9: the biggest problem is by not putting a cost on
47:43
Speaker 9: this plan, they're effectively telling the Australian community that we're
47:47
Speaker 9: going to do this at any cost. And that's the
47:49
Speaker 9: wrong message because that makes it sound like an ideological mission,
47:52
Speaker 9: not a pragmatic and sensible approach to our climate problem.
47:57
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister refused to put a specific fear your
48:00
Speaker 2: own it today, but he did say that under this plan,
48:03
Speaker 2: electricity prices would fall.
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Speaker 3: Is that possible in your view?
48:08
Speaker 2: Is it likely that our electricity bills will actually fall?
48:14
Speaker 9: It's highly unlikely that they will fall from the current
48:17
Speaker 9: level they are today at any time soon. There is
48:21
Speaker 9: just unless the government is going to fund that fall
48:25
Speaker 9: in the price deliberately like they have been doing with
48:28
Speaker 9: these subsidies. But the delivery of cheaper energy via this
48:33
Speaker 9: renewables only strategy is going to take years, if not
48:37
Speaker 9: decades to deliver cheaper energy, is the reality. And the
48:41
Speaker 9: cost is obviously putting all of that in place. So
48:44
Speaker 9: I think that's a little bit of a stretch. And
48:46
Speaker 9: of course the problem we've got here is that we're
48:48
Speaker 9: not looking at a whole range of different solutions, and
48:51
Speaker 9: nuclear is a genuine one. And of course those BCA
48:54
Speaker 9: estimates of about half a tree, and that's of course
48:57
Speaker 9: a similar cost to what the the coalition's plan was
49:01
Speaker 9: prior to the election. So this is politics and it's
49:04
Speaker 9: unfortunate because we have got to act in some way,
49:07
Speaker 9: but we have to have also a sensible, non political debate,
49:12
Speaker 9: and we're just getting away from it.
49:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, just by the way, that wasn't the cost of
49:15
Speaker 2: the coalition's policies. That was close to the cost of
49:17
Speaker 2: what Labors said the coalition's nuclear policy was. We don't
49:21
Speaker 2: actually know the reality, although the Coalition said it was
49:23
Speaker 2: much lower. Just quickly, the ABS released some unemployment figures today.
49:28
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about them.
49:30
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, we're seeing a softening in job creation in Australia,
49:34
Speaker 9: so we're not getting a lot of new jobs being
49:37
Speaker 9: thrown out there, but unemployment's not going up because participation
49:40
Speaker 9: is dropping off because we have such a high participation right,
49:43
Speaker 9: So it's still a very very tight labor market and
49:46
Speaker 9: we've got low unemployment still, and I don't think there's
49:49
Speaker 9: any indications that we should be worried about the economy.
49:52
Speaker 2: Lauren Hogan, thank you very much for those insights very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be on.
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Speaker 2: The show on Monday or Tuesday next week as it's
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