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Altered Lives On! What’s Next for the Community and the Game · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Get this open here? Oh, I already have it open.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? I'm the one, the only w
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  Speaker 1: O O K I E joined here by my normal compatriots.
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  Speaker 1: We got the kid who knows everything mister Cole Robbie yep,
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  Speaker 1: and the kid that strives to know everything Dexter with
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  Speaker 1: bad takes. Sorry hello everyone, Oh everyone, been a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks since we've done an episode. You guys went
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  Speaker 1: to packs? How was packs? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It was fun. Got to demo a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings games.
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  Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings games.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, just some random tabletop games, some some trick taking,
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  Speaker 3: some dice drafting, some Fellowship of the Ring which is
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  Speaker 3: just basically pandemic.
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  Speaker 4: So good.
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  Speaker 2: There a variety of games. They were all Lord of
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  Speaker 2: the Ring.
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  Speaker 1: Did you also do all Lord of the Rings games? Cole?
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  Speaker 5: Now, I was a floor judge for Marvel Champions and
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  Speaker 5: Arkham for LCG.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm Arkham l CG. I didn't realize that was like
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  Speaker 1: a isn't that a co op game?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Arkham is only a co op game. But Marvel
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  Speaker 5: with the Civil War expansion technically just barely introduced PvP.
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  Speaker 4: I think the way that they did. It is.
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  Speaker 5: Actually it's pretty cool how it fits into the game.
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  Speaker 5: But it's much like Altered It's like a race instead
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  Speaker 5: of you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, actively battling your opponent.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, But we're going into the episode that what
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  Speaker 1: could have been to weeks ago before before Wookie derailed it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anybody liked my derailing or if
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  Speaker 1: they all hated it. Either way, that was a really
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  Speaker 1: fun episode.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it actually I think was one that had
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  Speaker 5: the most comments in the last couple of months, so
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  Speaker 5: I had to have been well received.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna lie, idea, I didn't. I haven't had much
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  Speaker 1: time to go look at it. The holidays are here
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  Speaker 1: for those well, actually I was. I wasn't say everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the States the holidays are here, but it really
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because everyone's in holiday season. Christmas is here,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's time for Christmas things, right, So gonna
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  Speaker 1: be gonna be a busy next few months. But let's
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  Speaker 1: go into what we got. We got the big thank
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  Speaker 1: you message from the Altered cast over there. Game found
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  Speaker 1: it just shy of nine hundred thousand dollars on the
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  Speaker 1: people side, on the pleasure side, and then yep, one
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  Speaker 1: point four on the retailer side, So we're just shy.
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  Speaker 1: What does that come out to. It's just shy of
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  Speaker 1: the two point five, right, do we have a total number?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't pretty close together, it's.
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  Speaker 5: Like two point three or two point four or something
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  Speaker 5: like that.
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  Speaker 1: So just just shy of that. Unlocked were the Skybound
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  Speaker 1: Odyssey box toppers, what's uh?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, we got some extra uniques in every box. Nice
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  Speaker 3: and there was one other little box topper package.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember what it was though.
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  Speaker 2: Really uniques were the more important ones to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then we actually did they actually did do digital
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  Speaker 1: only unique digital packs for all backers who ordered one
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  Speaker 1: or more unique digital packs. Tell me what those are,
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  Speaker 1: mister Cole, not to you could go order them right
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  Speaker 1: now because you're far too lately, But yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it is.
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  Speaker 5: It is an interesting thing to talk about because it's
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  Speaker 5: probably the most controversial thing that they did outside of,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the whole bloody Monday announcement is the chance
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  Speaker 5: to buy just straight up uniques. So there were two options.
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  Speaker 5: For one option, you could buy a unique pack plus
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  Speaker 5: ten euros of pod credit for thirty euros and it
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  Speaker 5: was just random, ten random uniques, and then the other
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  Speaker 5: option was for forty euros, you could pick a specific
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  Speaker 5: faction and get ten uniques from that specific faction and
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  Speaker 5: then the the pod credit as well.
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  Speaker 1: Did those two options were those limited, like you can
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  Speaker 1: only order so many?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, there was, there's no limit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should have and.
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  Speaker 5: It's I don't think it's public information necessarily, but I
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  Speaker 5: can say, for as controversial as it was and how
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  Speaker 5: many people doomed and gloomed over it, it was one
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  Speaker 5: of the most selected products of the entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's it's a good deal. Ten
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  Speaker 1: uniques from me, whatever faction you want seems okay to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it was specifically at random from sets one
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  Speaker 5: to four. So some of the complaints were, like one
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  Speaker 5: of the main ones was, oh, Equinox said in.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three that they were never going to.
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  Speaker 1: Do They said just one time way back when that
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  Speaker 1: they never do this, way back in twenty eleven. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so people were.
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  Speaker 4: Really upset about that. And then they were upset because they.
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  Speaker 5: Thought it might like ruin the uniques for the next
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  Speaker 5: set or something. But what these are whenever they generate uniques.
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  Speaker 5: They generate like thousands, and they have a database of
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  Speaker 5: them and they know specifically which ones were never printed.
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  Speaker 5: So these are all uniques that were already generated for
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  Speaker 5: sets one through four but just were never printed. So
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  Speaker 5: without something like this, they would have never like they
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  Speaker 5: would just be lost basically lost media kind of kind
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  Speaker 5: of situation. But they're not from the newest set, so
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  Speaker 5: it's not like, you know, it's influencing the new packs
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  Speaker 5: anyone's opening.
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  Speaker 4: Or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: And then yeah, so but those were the reasons people
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  Speaker 5: really were vocal about not wanting this to be a
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  Speaker 5: thing on the discord, and.
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  Speaker 1: It was because wait, say one more time, hit me?
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  Speaker 5: What was it?
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  Speaker 1: What was the line in Deadpool? My uh my, my
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  Speaker 1: Cajun's a little rusty. Hit me again. That's been a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times as I watched sling Blade. Hit me again.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The really the number one thing is they said that
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  Speaker 5: they would never sell digital packs.
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  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, whatever, like that's that's neither height nor hair, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, people need to understand business plans change
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  Speaker 1: and as they change, you have to adapt with the market.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, whatever, get get over it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then people were just worried that it would undercut
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  Speaker 5: people wanting to buy the new set or wanting to
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  Speaker 5: buy stuff in stores and things like that. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the way that they did it, and that it's
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  Speaker 5: only sets one through four and they're not creating new
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  Speaker 5: uniques out of nowhere, I think I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: really just a no brainer add on really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, since they've already generated all of those
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  Speaker 3: uniques digitally, and they've already you know, done all of
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  Speaker 3: the testing and done the process to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: they're all balanced, like, and they didn't get printed, so
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  Speaker 3: might as well use them now. Yeah, So since it's
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  Speaker 3: only sets one through four, makes sense to do that
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: And when I was in the office, I saw a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of this process. They had like some printed
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  Speaker 5: out that they were like looking over and you know,
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  Speaker 5: double checking and making notes on like a big sheet of.
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  Speaker 4: Just tons of uniques. So it's a very very cool process.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe possibly I want to see if we.
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  Speaker 5: Can get Jacques on here, who is the father of
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  Speaker 5: the uniques, to talk about it a little more in depth.
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  Speaker 4: So if that sounds.
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  Speaker 5: Cool to people, me know, and I'll remember and work
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  Speaker 5: harder to make that happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna call bullshit on that whole reasoning,
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  Speaker 1: the secondhand reasoning. The first one, Okay, I get it, whatever, right, yea,
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, the second one, I'm gonna call a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of bullshit on that. And they're like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it was, it's going to taint to the unique market.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there were there were very literally people who said
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  Speaker 5: they would rather the game die than them do a
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  Speaker 5: digital pack of uniques. So, I I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 5: if people want to reiterate their stance on that in
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  Speaker 5: the comments so we can read it in whole.
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  Speaker 4: It has been a couple of weeks. That's just what
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  Speaker 4: I remember people complaining about.
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  Speaker 1: They would rather have the game die than do a
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  Speaker 1: digital pack of uniques. All right, indeed, all right, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: People are weird.
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  Speaker 2: Some people are just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I see. And it's just like because it's like, oh
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was almost like when you were plain
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  Speaker 1: to me. It's like, oh, it's almost like they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I have Mega the whole what am I looking for?
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  Speaker 1: The whole magic thing? Like I have super expensive uniques, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the whole reason why, like we keep the
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  Speaker 1: reserve list and magic, but like, are you. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think any uniques are really going for that much money,
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  Speaker 1: are they?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if they.
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  Speaker 5: If I would have a way to see what has
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  Speaker 5: sold recently, and I don't go to the the dark
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  Speaker 5: dark place of the community market, but the highest day
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  Speaker 5: soft War is two hundred and fifty euros on the market.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sure there's.
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of people who are like, my uniques are
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  Speaker 1: going to lose value and then freaked out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are overvaluing the uniques that they currently have.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that there's a very small amount of uniques
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  Speaker 3: that have sold for like a thous dollars on private
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  Speaker 3: markets or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the vast majority of uniques are the.
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  Speaker 3: Vast majority of uniques are not worth more than like
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  Speaker 3: twenty dollars. See, that's just blow The value is not
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  Speaker 3: being tanked overall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that blows my mind because I'm sitting here and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, all right, that's like key Forge Deck's
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  Speaker 1: still going for like five hundred dollars. I'm like, why
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  Speaker 1: are you spending five hundred dollars on this game? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Could you possibly hope to gain right, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: prizing in key Forge and I'm not saying like, don't
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  Speaker 1: spend money. Yeah right, I'm not saying don't spend money
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  Speaker 1: on the game. But at the same time, like I
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  Speaker 1: would rather open five hundred dollars in sealed packs and
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  Speaker 1: try my luck then pay five hundred dollars for one thing,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know who knows, right, Like Altered is
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  Speaker 1: a little different, right because Altered, I guess there's a
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  Speaker 1: such thing as a staple, but shoot, metas ever changes
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  Speaker 1: quickly and Altered, so you don't know that that one
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  Speaker 1: unique you're buying for that much is going to be
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  Speaker 1: worthy of anything in the next set. So yep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The So I think like a big part of it,
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  Speaker 5: other than people who are like really get upset about
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  Speaker 5: you know, they said one thing a year ago and
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  Speaker 5: now they're not doing that thing, I think the other
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  Speaker 5: side is people get really worried about, you know, local
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  Speaker 5: game stores and having to appease the game stores. Which
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  Speaker 5: I used to be in that same mentality until like
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  Speaker 5: this whole thing went down, and now I'm more of
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  Speaker 5: the understanding that Altered needs to do what works best
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  Speaker 5: for Altered, and if there are certain things that work
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  Speaker 5: best for Altered that aren't expressly like to.
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  Speaker 4: The benefit of game stores.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe that just has to be done, because if you
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  Speaker 5: don't keep the players happy and the company going first,
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  Speaker 5: the game stores will just move on anyways and sell
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  Speaker 5: other products, which the message but being put out was
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  Speaker 5: bad enough to turn stores away entirely and cancel pre orders.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe trying way too hard to appease game stores
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  Speaker 5: doesn't always work.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't, I'll tell you that much. There's a fine
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  Speaker 1: line you gotta walk, right because I mean, even for me,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm a big person to appease the game store,
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  Speaker 1: because without the game store, you're not going to survive.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean even I got to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at my ideal of it, because it's twenty twenty five, right.
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  Speaker 1: This game is top one hundred and BGA right now, yep,
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  Speaker 1: and it's doing that without the game store. Game stores
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  Speaker 1: are fickle, right, and if they making money on it,
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  Speaker 1: they're not really doing much with it. And if your
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  Speaker 1: name's not like Magic or Pokemon, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's rough out there. I don't even know, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what one time, at one point
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  Speaker 1: in time, it was uh what was it? It was
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  Speaker 1: my hero Academia and then now that's no more, and
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  Speaker 1: right now is one piece still like a big thing
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  Speaker 1: in poets still things, right, Yeah, So it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: all come and go. But you know, unless you're making
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  Speaker 1: the game store this mass amount of money, the game
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  Speaker 1: store don't really give a shit about you. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a little tough sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: So yep, it's definitely a balance and sometimes tipping it
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  Speaker 5: way too far in the favor of game stores does
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  Speaker 5: not work out for more niche games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and right now it's still surviving on BGA, so
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  Speaker 1: that's good. I mean still overseas, there's still a huge
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  Speaker 1: as far as I understand, a huge calling for it.
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  Speaker 1: It may not be the biggest in the States, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that's fine. US Americans kind of get used to
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  Speaker 1: being like the center of attention on everything, but that's
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  Speaker 1: not always going to be true, right, Sometimes we gotta, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: realize we're not the center of everything. Because I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: a majority of these retailer pledges were not in the US.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be interesting to know, what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: there's a couple of things that I really want to
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  Speaker 5: know that I haven't been able to find an answer yet,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm interested if Southern Hobby or you know, gamers
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  Speaker 5: Guild or even Game Nerds ordered anything, because Southern Hobby
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  Speaker 5: is like the the other distributor other than Asthma Dae itself.
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  Speaker 5: And maybe maybe they ordered some stuff, which would mean
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  Speaker 5: stores could get it from Southern Hobby if you know,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't get on the game found themselves. But I
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  Speaker 5: think it's definitely a balance. But one of the other
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  Speaker 5: things that annoys me is the whole not upsetting game
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  Speaker 5: stores and making sure game stores are number one also
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  Speaker 5: leads to they have a policy that is like who
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  Speaker 5: can host events for you know, Adventure Pass and things
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  Speaker 5: like that, and you have to be a brick and
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  Speaker 5: mortar store because they want to encourage going to stores.
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  Speaker 5: But it makes it so like I had a thought
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  Speaker 5: for a moment, since no stores in Texas except for
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  Speaker 5: one ended up actually doing pre orders, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 5: what if I just do pre orders and just use
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  Speaker 5: the website and like get that for you know, whoever
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  Speaker 5: wants to order it.
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  Speaker 4: But no, can't do that because I don't have a
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  Speaker 4: brick and mortar.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you brick and mortar, or if people want to
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  Speaker 5: host like a learn to play or a draft or
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  Speaker 5: something like that, and they want to organize it and
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  Speaker 5: put it together. They technically can't officially do that unless
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  Speaker 5: they convince a store to, you know, let them use
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  Speaker 5: the store's name and account and location. And some stores
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  Speaker 5: will do that, but not a huge selling point for
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  Speaker 5: most stores. So I wish that was another area there
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  Speaker 5: was a little more flexibility in how things work these days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they can't give unlimited flexibility because then any
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  Speaker 3: can anyone can just do whatever they want and then
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  Speaker 3: get unlimited Adventure Pass and people are going to exploit
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  Speaker 3: the system. So I understand that they have some constraints
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  Speaker 3: in place.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean obviously, But at the same time, my
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  Speaker 5: point kind of is if someone abuses the Adventure Pass,
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  Speaker 5: what is what do they get?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, they get digital.
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  Speaker 5: Cards and and they're worth like a dollar for free,
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  Speaker 5: and that we've already seen abuse of it before.
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  Speaker 4: And when it's like actually abused, they it's very easy
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  Speaker 4: to like crack down on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this person is obviously not doing sixty events in
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  Speaker 5: one week, we should probably be on their account. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I do wish I could have placed a retailer order
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  Speaker 5: and through the website.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to be honest with you, We do that
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  Speaker 1: with key Forge. Now. Yeah. The only reason we get
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  Speaker 1: to though is that is Dan is very good friends
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  Speaker 1: with a store owner, so he's able to use their
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  Speaker 1: store account. Basically, guy, what do you guys want to order?
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  Speaker 1: Order will right, and we kind of go from there.
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  Speaker 1: So we kind of have that ability to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's one of those things I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you, because like there's no
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  Speaker 1: stores in my area I got, I got no stores
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  Speaker 1: really doing anything, you know. So it's I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those weird strange things of what do you do? Like,
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  Speaker 1: even if I wanted to like start something up, how
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  Speaker 1: would I go about it? Because I don't have any products.
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  Speaker 3: Stores even stocking product within like thirty minutes of you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, not within thirty closest is an hour away, okay,
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  Speaker 1: down in uh Sanctum gaming down by the border. Yes,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: this is a.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Good, good little point because the episode that I wrote
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  Speaker 5: that we were going to do for the last one
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  Speaker 5: but ended up uh bantering or venting or.
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  Speaker 1: Riffing.
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  Speaker 5: Riffing is about you know, Altered is saved now what?
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  Speaker 5: And I think last episode we went into a couple
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  Speaker 5: of uh key dates and things like that. But the
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  Speaker 5: other stuff I want to talk about is like, well,
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  Speaker 5: this next period is going to be a little interesting,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: so like what the what the hell do we do now?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So we can go through quick on the timeline. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if we did it last time. Obviously we're
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: through some of the dates already. The game found campaign
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: started on the twenty eighth. The seventh was the pledge
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: manager seventh of November fourteenth, and went into manufacturing. They're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: going to start shipping December. We don't have a date
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: for December, do we? Yeah? No, November, So okay, I'm
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: not sure what the difference.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Pretty good, start shipping it, so.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just we're shipping and then we're order processing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's in the black order.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Now you got to think about how manufacturing and shipping works.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Is they're going.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: To start shipping out to the stores most likely, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: maybe those certain things have to come over on like
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: a boat or a plane or whatever. And then you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: maybe they'll go to a warehouse and then they'll get
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: sent off to each store location based on where they are.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: That's probably the order processing part is like oh, okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: say they have one warehouse in the in the United States,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: one in the EU, one in Asia, whatever, all of
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: the shipments go out to those, they process the orders,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: and then they get sent to the stores.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: This is just an example. It's I'm not saying that's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: exactly how they do it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: But then it'll go to the stores, and then stores
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: will have the launch in February. The important thing for
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: like singular people is you won't get your your actual
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: like game found order until early February.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I think another reason that this timeline is a little
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: more expanded, and I think we did talk about it
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: before is Chinese New Year.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did talk about a little bit.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: And then just holidays in general, so you know, give
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: it a little extra padding so that that is the
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: like general timeline. I feel like there is a launch date.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Which I'm going to look for.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: I thought it was like February twenty fifth or something,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: But that's when you would expect like actual pre release
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: or launch dates at stores, if store, if you're store ordered,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: the other important dates outside of like when it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Is actually available in stories.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I wish I wrote that date down because now I
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: don't remember. Oh I guess it just says sets release
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: in early February twenty twenty six, okay, and then they're
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: going to release more information in January.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it'll probably be late February. But yeah, we.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Don't have a hard set date, which means I didn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: forget to write it down.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Because it doesn't exist.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: But yep, the other important dates to individuals are going
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: to be the next two weeks essentially. And that's because
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: and this is actually a topic that a lot of
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: people had misunderstandings about, is the whole payment processing thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: They basically have fourteen days to collect your payment starting
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: on November fourteenth, So that basically just ended, and a
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: lot of people were like, I was charged day one
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: and cool that that means you had enough of in
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: your bank account, your card was charged successfully, and you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: good to go. But those fourteen days are like a buffer.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: If someone's card declines, they have a chance to you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: change it, whatever it may be, and then whatever they
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: don't collect after the end of that fourteen days is
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: basically a canceled order opening the first which is tomorrow,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: December first. For us, here is technically the pledge manager,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: which will allow you to provide your address and any
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: details for shipping and things like that, and then that'll
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: close on December eighth. I think after this is when
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: you would expect those uniques.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: That you ordered.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing the second week of December. Maybe we'll get
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: lucky and some of them will start coming in, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: the first week of December. But just based on how
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: the payments are processed, the update to your address and
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: shipping and locking it up, things like that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I would assume the second week of December.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Are they allowing any modifications to order, any any additions
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to like because obviously they had a few things like
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: any additions to the order or anything like that during
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that pledge manager time.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Nope, nope.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: So how they did it is to extend the actual
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: length of the game found to incorporate like stretch goals
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: and things like that. Is they they basically extended it
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: for the length of what would have been a pledge Manager.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: So technically there is no real pledge manager.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: It's just when they open.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: That you'll be able to provide your shipping, but you
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: won't be able to change your order.
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: Oh I was hoping maybe I could add some things,
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: but that's Okay, it's okay, okay, yeah, because I know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: like Keyfords were allowed to, like during that pledge Manager time,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: like you're able to if already add ons that maybe
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: you wanted to add.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Or all that you could do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That time has already passed.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: They had that pledge manager already, and now it's the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: pledge manager part where it's just pretty much put your
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: address in and.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Pay yeah like well like but like again during keyfde
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: pledge Manager right like and again it's it's just a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: little different. It's not a big deal. It's just a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: little different. You're able to, Like I was able to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: add a couple of items. Now I didn't order any
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't order any sad Dragons, but you know, for
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the last couple ones, I was able to do a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: couple of add ons and do what I wanted. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: not a big deal. I'll just I.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Think if they've learned anything from this first game found
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: the next one will be more clear, and the next
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: one will have a pledge manager specifically like that where
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: you are able to do that, but who will will
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: have to see when that launch.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, the next one is the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: next one is going to be is that going to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: be like, Oh, if we don't hit two point five,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: we're just refunding everybody.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know, We'll have to uh, we'll have to
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: see what they update and you know what streamlining they made,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: things like that, and then hopefully they have you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: a realistic goal for what the game Found needs to
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: hit and then have stretch goals in Yeah, stretch goals included,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: because I think I think another.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Way, like with where they sit right and just where
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they sit as a company, right, like it might be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: time to abandon the whole like this is a pre
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: order and just be like, this is the game Found,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this is what we need to keep this game moving
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in the correct direction. Right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: So, Yeah, And there was there was someone in the
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in the comments of last episode, upset that we we
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: didn't say or talk about how it was heavily implied
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: that it was just a pre order.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean maybe I didn't, maybe I didn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: beat the horse, but I definitely said something about it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: because yeah, it was this was originally a this was
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: originally not a big a deal. It was just a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: pre order, and then all of a sudden saying maybe
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it is a big deal. I did say something, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe I think maybe I didn't beat that horse
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: enough for them.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah we did.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: We did talk about it and the semantics of all
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: of that, and then you know, a.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe pre order means something different in French.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's the same.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Like to me, it's the same. It doesn't fucking matter.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: It's the same, like it is a pre order, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: it's if you know, it upsets people that a pre
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: order shouldn't have a goal.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: That I guess I understand.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: I I will say we were all blindsided, me included,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: and we were all upset that they were like we
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: actually need this amount of money or we're gonna close,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Like I did not have any expectation of that. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I think the whole pre order versus like fundraising, YadA YadA.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It's just like it's just words.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: To me, it's still a pre order because whatever is
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: ordered is all that's going to be printed.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You are killing me. They're just tomato, tomato. It's not
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like these things have any meaning, like they're made up.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: They're just words.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: It's like they're made up.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, And I guess maybe pre order means something
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: different to you than it does to me. I don't know.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I guess these things are all relative right in the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: meaning of things, but like pre ordered, I mean means like, yeah,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: if we get there, we get there. But you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: really we want you to go to your to your local.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, being blindsided like that,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it was like ah, but actually it was like whoa
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I feel bamboozled. But that's I feel
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like we've beat that horse and we're done with that horse. Yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: so yeah, all right, altered bigger presence on BGG, Now, yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: There was there was a really big push to start
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: having more altered information on Board Game Geek. People started
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: posting reviews and pictures and different information about the expansions
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: and everything. And I had an account for a long
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: time that I just never used, or maybe I never
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: had an account and I just looked at it but
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: didn't sign in.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: So I was like, sure, I'll do that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: So there's just been kind of a big push by
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: the community to get altered out there in in more
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: places in general. So that was one of the really
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: positive things to see during the campaign.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: You know what it is, this is this is always
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a question of how do you get what is a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: good effective way to get because this is something we've
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: talked about again in Keyfarge for a while. What is
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a really good effective way to get a game that
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you are incredibly passionate for into the public space? Right?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Because it's not it's like everyone's like just put it
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: out there, and it's like it is not as easy
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: as it sounds, right, because it's like, well they need
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to do it, because we've had this discussion so many well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they need to do more advertising. Well, where do you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: advertise in a place that people are going to see it? Right?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Because you can advertise on Facebook because even during the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: game Found we talked about people who are in the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: space not they don't see it. Okay, Well, now what right,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: because if they don't see it, we're in trouble. Where
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: where exactly do you advertise that you're able to get
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a following and get something going. Right. That's yeah, that's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: such a that's such a difficult thing because it's it's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: not like there's like back in my day, you guys
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: may may or may not remember these like you had
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Inquest magazine, you had Scry, You had things that people bought,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you know, magazines and whatnot that were a constant thing,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like you bought them every month when they came out,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and you were able to put your put your product
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: in there, and you know they they they had articles
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and you would get ranked and all this stuff. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: now it's like where do you put The Internet is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: such a vast place that you kind of have to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: just like And I guess a lot of people, especially myself,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: look to like a flush and Blood. Like what made
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Flesh and Blood pop so big with people? Was it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: just right place, right time? Right? Like what did they
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: do that everyone else isn't doing to make their game popular?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And the ability to kind of explode in the way
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it did.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Flesh and Blood is interesting. And Flesh and Blood
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: does not even have any organized play anywhere near me,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Like I could technically go to altered organized play easier
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: than Flesh and Blood.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So which it's so bizarre, isn't it? Because again, same
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: thing like I played Flesh and Blood for a little bit.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: There are no Flesh and Blood locals to me. But yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: this game is pulling thousands of people to these events.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's just like, well, where are these people coming from?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Is it small pockets? How are you even getting out
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and going out and being able to play in a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: low like I don't even have a local name. How
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: are you doing it? Right? It's just to me, it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: right now. How a game lives and breathes is kind
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of fascinating because it's like it seems so random.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, to me, the thing that always remains
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: true and it's it's hard because it's not really something
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: companies can do, but it really like is in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: hands of the community. And there are a lot of
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: people that are like, oh, I want to do this,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: I want to support it, I want to you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: make sure this lives and grows. What can I do?
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: And you tell them like, oh, engage with it, like
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: share it with your friends, and maybe, you know, for
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: a day or two they'll they'll do that, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: comment on you know, YouTube video, share YouTube videos, share
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: this podcast, whatever. But then you know, it's the age
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: of choice and two days.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Later they're like, oh, new shiny thing, and you know
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: it goes to the side.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Other than that, I think one thing that I've
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: noticed that actually does bring in a lot of new
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: faces and new players is conventions and presents at conventions,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: which is hard because it's one of the most.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly see, And I don't know if that's necessarily like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent true either because but in it looks
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like you just said it because I was gonna say
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it's it is the most expensive way to do things
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure if it is the
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: best way in a term of life for acquisition.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if you necessarily at conventions necessarily
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: acquire that person forever. I don't know if that person
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: goes home is like, hey, you check out this new
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: cool thing, let's grab a bunch of it and start playing,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and then gets like really into it because it's almost
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like you're like I remember, and I'm just gonna go
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Way back in the day at gen Con, there was
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a game called Seventh Seas or Seventh Seeds seventh c
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: one of the two, and man, they were handing out
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like if you did a demo, they gave you a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: starter deck, and man, you could just do demo after
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: demo after demo after demo and just get a bunch
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of starter decks, and even free product wasn't bringing people
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: into the game, right, Even just giving away starter decks
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and giving people the ability to play just like it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: never took off. It was a good game, just it
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: would never had that never grew the legs to take off.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So what what do you do? Free product doesn't work?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You know, like even like going to the convention, because
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: like you get hyped for those four days and you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: get really into it, but then like when you go home,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: does it just end up in the pile? Right, that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the pile of stuff that you never look at again. Like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how do you grab people? Nowaday, especially today twenty twenty five,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is so difficult to grab and hold people's attention because
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: like as soon as you come out with something new,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Magic's like, hey, check it out, We're doing something weird
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: with our product again, what the hell? And it's exactly
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's ooh, piece of candy, right, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like now your your tension is drawn away again?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: The reason I say conventions is because I pay way
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: too much attention to like the Discord, and sometimes I'll
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: go on the Reddit that after a convention is the
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: most I've ever seen like new people coming in and
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: saying like, oh, hey, I'm a new player, like new
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: player here, blah blah blah. I saw the game at
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Gen con or whatever. But outside of that, I think
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: it's really just community and how many people are in
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: the community is what keeps it alive because shout out
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: to like a guy trying and their group, they've you know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: been really consistent and their their playgroup is going really well.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: They're like two v two pros, And every time I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: hear about that location, they're always you know, ordering a bunch.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, it's if you want the game
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: to to grow and to live longer, you you got
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: to just share your love for it. Is really the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: only thing we can do. The rest is up to
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: the company and whatever they do.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's not the answer I wanted. You wanted
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a concrete I wanted to here is here is a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: seventh step plan to me? And it's it's again, it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: one of these things I've been looking for for years
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: upon years upon years upon yours, right, And it's just
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like there is no concrete plan, like even games back,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: like you can have a good ip, like look at
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like dragon Ball is a dragon Ball super now, Like
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: even that game is like it pretty popular still I've
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: never seen it played in any of my locals. Right,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And if I wanted to get a If I wanted
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to get that going, I would never be like, it's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. It's again, it's it's a fascinating
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: time to be involved in CCG's. We're having another big boom.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: If you guys remember back in like two thousand and five,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you had big CCG booms and then it kind of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: all contracted again, and now it's that cyclical time where yep,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: everything is getting a CCG again kind of happens like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: every five years. It's like, you have this big boom
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and if you can survive the contraction, you're in good shape.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I saw a video come across my YouTube feed, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I don't remember who it's from, but it was basically
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: like the TCG industry is in like a huge bubble
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: right now, and I do not envy anyone who is
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: creating a new TCG with a new IP any month
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: forward from here until yeah, it's no longer.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: A bubble because it feels well. Number one, the bubbles
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: got to burst somewhere. That's number one, and then number two,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like if you don't have like a strong ip behind it,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: like I I fully believe, is it riftbound? Right? Is
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the news. If that did not have a Legal Legends
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and I I'm gonna hot take from Wookie it might
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: be a bad take. That game will not survive. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it didn't, if it did not have the
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: League of Legends IP, it would have.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: The Legal Legends IP, it would not survive. And I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: don't think it's going to survive just because it has
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the Legal Legends IP. Like a lot of video games
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: don't translate well into card games. Right. That's that's my
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: first point. And then the second point is normally people
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: just go back to the video game over time because
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of just I mean, how much does it cost you
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to play Legal Legends zero? And how much and how
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: much is that does.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Well actually your mental health.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Well whatever, still costs zero dollars.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Technically, it also technically costs zero dollars to play Riftband
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: because you can't get any product.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Well yes, yep, so true, right, And that's and that's
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a big killer of games sometimes too, is people get crazy.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And usually what happens is that's the whales out there
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: who are like, I'm gonna buy it all, and then
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that kind of kills the game because nobody can get anything.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, if I can't get anything, I can't
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: play it, so whatever, don't care. And then again the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: add of twenty twenty five, we kind of all just
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: move on.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, you're you're a big Star Wars fan, right,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: wie huge?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah the place? Why don't you play Star Wars Unlimited?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Mainly it was because I couldn't get product way back when,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and that's that's not that's that's not just a bit
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: for the joke. Back of the day. When I started,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I was able to get one booster box, and I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: bought one booster Box, and then I went to go
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: buy another one, and you were not able to get
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Set one and able to exist, right, you were not
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: able to get Set one anymore. So I went into
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the secondary market. I bought a whole bunch of stuff
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to build the deck I wanted to build, and then
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find local organized play, so oh it just
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, so I spent all this money to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: go build a deck and now I can't find anywhere
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to play it. So eventually I just sold what I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: had and gave up because I was like, I can't
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: get product, I can't go play. Why what am I doing.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think it was a Do you think
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: it's a better game than key Forge mechanically?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: No, it's about on par on par It's about on
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: par with key Forge. I wouldn't say key Forge is
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: any better or worse, Like key Forge is just different
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: because of the fact you can't change the deck, right,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's it's about on par. I mean,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: they're different. They're hard to judge each other, right, It's
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I want I So I'm still stuck in the old
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: days of like, oh, you just buy a deck and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it's all about player skill. I even though I know
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm lying to myself because it's like it has nothing
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to do with player skill. You get a bad deck,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: just you might as well just throw that thing away
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and forget your days, you know, forget about your day.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, I think you and I are similar in
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: like IP does not rule everything, Like I love Star Wars.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: My room is full of all sorts of collectibles.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: But I'm not like IP blind. Unfortunately, a lot of
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: people very much are, because I have never heard a
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: single person say laar Khana is actually a really well
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: made game. It's usually Lauracana sucks, but it's Disney and
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: you know so and so or I love Disney, or
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: I love this so I play it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, Kana is just magic backwards. I don't know
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: if anybody's ever noticed that, it's literally just magic backwards.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I have not touched it, so I cannot comment.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lauracana is literally just magic backwards, right, instead
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of starting at twenty life. Yeah, basically our quarter reaping
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: or I forget what its inking or something like that,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: questing thank you to get to to get to twenty lore.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So you're there, You're literally just going backwards. There's a
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: few nuances of it, right, and there's a few reasons
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: like why cards are good and and so on and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: so forth, but overall, like this is just magic backwards. Yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that's really what laura Kana is. Like. There's again a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: few nuances in there that make it different, but other
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: than that, it's it is pretty much the gathering. But
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: because like if you were to just have its own
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: IP behind it, like the Larkana eyep of whatever it is,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that game would have failed.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and and yeah, I think that's my point is
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: what you and I may not be IP blind, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: so many people are that it's it may just last
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: many years to come, especially with riot money and oh yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: But no, no, it's it's it's gonna last. It's just
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: not gonna last. It's not gonna be one of it's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: not gonna be your next Pokemon. It's not the Magic
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: killer that people are out there kind of saying it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: going to be, because it's you're never gonna Let's just
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: get those through your head people, You're never gonna kill Magic.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It is just it is a juggernaut. The only thing
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: that's gonna kill Magic legitimately is Hasbro. Hasbro will kill
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Magical long before Magic kills itself.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Your Magic can't die because it's basically the doll Fruit company.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: They'll just rebrand or something.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you could rebrand it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: but because now it's like so it's been around for
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: so long. But like, just what's going to kill Magic
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be Hasbro. Hasbro will eventually kill Magic.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean a company.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if a company gets so massive, they won't really
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: just die. They'll just you know, change their name or
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: you know, spin off or something.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Because much like United.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Fruit did genocide, they still sell bananas today.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: So just Tom that are a different name.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree with you. I don't know. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: don't know. Only time will tell, I said, I don't think.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I Every every two seconds I hear Magic player going
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: this game is dead. And it's like, yeah, they're quarterly,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: they're orderly thing, and you're like, ah, they you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: just remember last year they fired like thirty five percent
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of their workforce literally two weeks before Christmas and still
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: like and we just don't even blink an eye, right like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and everyone just nobody even blinks an eye. You fired,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You fired a third of your workforce two weeks before Christmas.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And everyone's like yeah, but Magic, like get out of here.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all all of that to say, Uh, speaking of
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: ways to grow a game, Uh, they expanded the Hive
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: to everyone.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: And if you want the game to continue and you
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: want to share your love of it and you want
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: to get a little kickback, little reward direct from Equinox,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: you can look up. As of now, it is the
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: most recent article.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Can you explain the Hive to me? I was reading
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: this article the other day and I am utterly confused.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so basically a while back, we started it as
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a beta where basically, if you
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: go to a store and you run a learn to play,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: we were tracking you know, certain stores, certain areas like
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Dallas was a focus area, but now it's open to everyone,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: and it's a lot of information to just go over
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: on the cast. But if you look up the article
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: if you're interested, it'll have all the details. But too
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: long didn't read is if you go do one of
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: those learned to plays at your local store and you
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: submit a report on it, you will get a reward.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: So for each validated mission, you'll get one full faction
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: Adventure pass credited at the end of the season. So
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: if you pick like Muna, you'll get all of the
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Muna Adventure press along.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I'm I immuted at the wrong time. My bad,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: My bad.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: For every three validated missions, which is reputable, you'll get
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: fifty euros in pod credit. Uh And there is actually
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: a funny story because I did a couple of these
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: last season, and UH in talks, who is who you
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: will talk to about these missions sent me a message
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: and was like, what faction do you want? And I
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: just didn't even think, and I said, Muna, I had
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: already earned all of Muna myself.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I was like, damn it, I should have said something else.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Did you get twice the rewards for Muna?
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Yep?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Nice?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Why is that nice? What is he going to do
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: with those?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: You have double the amount of Muna alternate art cards
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: just for like a dollar apiece.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just sold them.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: If you want to teach people the game, you want
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: a store to, you know, think about having organized play.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: There's a little way to do it and get a
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: reward for yourself as well.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: All right, what else do we got on the list?
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: I think we covered a lot of what's on here.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: One of the notes that's changed since we well since
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: I wrote this episode, is we were going to talk
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: a little bit about how A Wall is no longer happening.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: I think enough people have talked about it and mentioned
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: it and gone through the reasonings and whatnot. If you
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: for some reason, like awall and didn't hear about it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: You can see Simon's message still on the A Wall discord.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: But the good news is is the Altered Aces team
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: have started up a replacement tournament for Mondays.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I think it's almost the exact same time.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: Is A Wall just thirty minutes later, So for me,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: it's twelve thirty pm CST, and the Awall casting team
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: will continue casting that and it'll be on the Awall
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: YouTube as usual, so you can still get your your
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Monday tournament. Goodness, I'm like the Scrooge of everyone and saying,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: there's no reason to try really hard to make a
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Wednesday replacement.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: The US time zones are just not.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Super populated, and if you really want to play in
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: US time, there are already other tournaments like ACE on Tuesdays,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: So if that gets up to sixty four players, then
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: maybe we need to find another US based, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: weeknight tournament.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: But there are tons of options now.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: So Mondays were the most popular, and there will be
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: a alternative so you can still have your fun. And
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: they've started putting together a lot of really cool prizes
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: and rewards in conjunction with some French stores and companies
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: out there, so look it up.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: It'll be cool, all righty.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: And then the last thing, the last thing I had
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: written is just a stupid little thing because people kept
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: talking about, you know, where's altered content, where's this, where's that? Well,
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: it's out there if you look for it. But I
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: will hear, Yeah, I will be streaming a couple times
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: a week on Twitch. I usually stream Tuesday afternoon, starting
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: at noon and then at night for ACE and then
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: maybe one other day in there. If you hear this
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: message and you come into the chat and say that
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: you heard this while I'm playing Altered, I will I
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: will give you an OPI pack or booster pack of
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: some sort.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: So we'll see how that experiment works.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: See. The last thing is is we do have a question.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Whoever wants to read the question?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Boy, we have a question this week? Where's the call? Oh?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Here we go? All right, since you guys have run
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: out of questions, what do you think is the best
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: set so far? Given the four sets we've had to
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: date from Gav gave Kenny.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, so in what way?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So the first set is definitely the best for uniques, undoubtedly,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: and also the best for or I mean it has
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: the largest card pool. What's the the first that had
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the most cards and the most cards that are still
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: being used in most decks now that are staples. So
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I would say Beyond the Gates is the strongest set.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: There's other sets that have like introduced more cards that
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: increased each Hero, But just since Beyond the Gates card
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Pool was so large, that's still what most decks are
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: being built out of.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: All right, so take Beyond the Gates out of it
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: because that was a base set, right, that was an
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: introductory set.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: That's not Beyond the Gates.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: You cannot use Beyond the Gates because it was that
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: was like, that's like saying Alpha was the best set ever,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, like it could have started No, no, duh, Right,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Like you can't use Beyond the Gates. What's the next
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: best set?
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: What's the Skybound Odyssey?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: I think if you like the ascension mechanic and the
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: getting to play another card rushing out rush.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if you want to be technical, it
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: is Skybound without question. And the reasons Dexter said are some.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: But also they have been working on the unique algorithm
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: and they've added some parameters into the generation that are
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: doing a lot better now, and there's some signs of
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: that in Skybound Odyssey.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: That work really well.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I honestly love every set for what it is. I
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: think I have to agree with people that Trot by
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Frost is the weakest set, like competitive wise, but I
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: also think it's one of the coolest and most like
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: the Madic sets.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: And I've probably said.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I love the Expedition Gears.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably said it a million times. But I
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: don't think there's a card that better represents like what
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: it is than Snowball Commando. Like Snowball Commando is literally
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: you're getting in a snowball fight and you throw a
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: snowball at someone, but they have a chance to throw
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: a snowball back. And I just think the theme in
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Trial by Frost is very cool and very spot on.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: But if you go off of what card still has
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: the most sought after or what set still has the
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: most sought after, most expensive card, it's Whispers from the
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Maze with the Hunger.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, the Hunger is a very strong card.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: If you pull a Hunger, its great.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: For eight dollars, eight dollars, eight dollars. I feel like
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I think I spent twenty five dollars on a Magpen
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Hoarder one time.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Well that's a unique, that's different.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to different than still a Magpen Horder.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: So would you say that the set that Magpin Hoarder
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: is in is the best set?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Is that Trial by Frost?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is Trial by Frost, and I would not
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: say that. No, I I agree with you. I remember
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you saying that what's you McCall it? The Rush was
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: not going to be a very good mechanic. He did
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: not know all of.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Us here said that Rush was good, but we said
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: that everyone else said that Rush was.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Am I am I crazy? That did he did? He
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: not say Rush was not going to be a good mechanic.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I could have swore I said that.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: I do remember more so that a lot of people
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: were telling me that Rush was bad in the discord,
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: So I remember that more than Dexter saying anything.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: What I remember about Dexter.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: Is him saying that sky Band Odyssey was not cracked,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: and it is cracked.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, because I remember, I specifically remember doing an episode
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: where we were talking about the cards and him being like,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Rush ain't deck good.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: It's a solid mechanic. There are no cards that have
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: been printed with the Rush mechanic that are absolutely busted.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: If I find time in my week, I'm gonna go
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: find that that that clip where you're like, go do good.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: You gotta put it on the listeners to go back
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: and find it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go back and find it. Listeners. I think it
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: was like four episodes. Well, I don't know, it's probably
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: longer than that. It was a it was a while.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's probably just our Skybound uh you or
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: one before it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Definitely when we were doing the top five cards from
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Skybound Odyssey and I think I could have swore, he
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: was like it's not good, and we're like, Dexter, are
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you crazy?
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: But we're definitely not telling you to go look so
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: that we get more views on past episodes.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I absolutely not.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I am not afraid to say it. Go listen to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: other episodes. But I mean thematically, thematically, mag Penhorder is
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the greatest card of all time. And but no that yeah,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I would agree that Skyboe so far.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Thematically.
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  Speaker 3: I have liked Trial by Frost more than any of
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the other sets.
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  Speaker 1: It made an interesting limited.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: It just didn't deliver card wise. Oh yeah, I love
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Limited with Draw by Frost too.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was very good limited wise, Its just
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: not some of the cards just weren't strong enough to
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: take over there already their counterparts.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, Trace love Frozen Delivery, yeah, true, not
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  Speaker 3: much else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, it's okay. I'll just sit over here and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: cry in silence. It's don't mind me, but it's good
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to be back.
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  Speaker 2: You're stack of magpen holders over there.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about my magpen hoarders. They're very, very self connier.
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  Speaker 1: They're sensitive, they're sensitive magpen horders. So now, okay, so
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell anybody this. I'll tell you guys now
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: since Felix isn't here. So every time Felix is like, yeah,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I got fifteen garricks, I feel the need to go
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: buy more magpen horders. You gotta beat them, right, because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I gotta win, right. So I don't
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: know what he's up to. I'm not gonna tell. I'm
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: not gonna say, but what.
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  Speaker 4: Is my arrows count up to? Let's take a look.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: I got some new arrows.
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  Speaker 3: I bought a whole bunch of unique ozmas when I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: was trying to make a good sitchus. But uh, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: think I only got like five or six of them.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I still only have eight sucker, so not too many.
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  Speaker 1: Thank god, I'm going to buy any more meg penn horders.
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  Speaker 1: I do love them. He's I'm a big fan. But
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: it is good to be back after Thanksgiving. I hope
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you all had a good Thanksgiving, good Black Friday. It
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: is nice to be back because I didn't do I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: didn't even do an AC episode this week or last
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: week because my ACL is fucked. One day it'll be better.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: It's not partying so hard.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I wasn't even at the party.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Isn't that from falling in the hole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tore it. I did it good. I didn't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't screw my gosh. Yeah. So but with that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: being said, it's been a great time. Go put your
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: question more questions over on the Patreon. Leave a comment,
• 1:01:57
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• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Don't send col Robbie your bank account information. That's a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: bad idea. But with that big, he won't be we'll
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: see you all. You'll just have a package at your tour.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: That's more. That's more, more altered product, like this is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: what I did with your money, like the cat who
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: brings you mice and birds. But with that big, with
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that big said we will see you all next week.
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